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episode 9: The future of rotorcraft, the air defence market and challenges facing the Royal Air Force [transcript]


This week in the Weekly Defence Podcast, we discuss current and future rotorcraft programmes with Bell, look at the state of the air defence market, speak to the Royal Air Force about their current challenges and hear from our sponsor Nammo.

  • News Round Up (01:07)

For the news round, air domain reporter Tim Martin is fresh from a briefing with MBDA on its annual results; land reporter Kate Martyr provides an update on Rheinmetall Canada’s new weaponised configuration of its Mission Master UGV, which was showcased during a demonstration event held in South Africa; and editor-in-chief Richard Thomas looks at future anti-ship missile developments.

Meanwhile, Helen Haxell speaks to AVM Gerry Mayhew, Assistant Chief of the Air Staff, about the future direction of the UK’s Royal Air Force (RAF) in the lead-up to the Air and Space Power conference, which will take place 17-18 July 2019 in London.

  • Shephard Analysis – Air Defence Market (19:20)

Helen takes some time to sit down with our Shephard Plus director of analyst Matt Smith and analyst Ilker Aktaşoğlu to talk about their findings and predictions regarding the current state of the air defence market.

The team discuss the dynamism of the short-range air defence segment, look at emerging requirements Canada and Norway, and consider the effect the weaponisation of consumer drones has had on the sector.

  • Interview – Bell (28:12)

Helen talks to Steve Mathias, Bell’s VP for global military sales and strategy, who provides an update on the company’s bid for the US Navy’s Advanced Helicopter Training System (TH-XX), progress of the flight trials of the V-280 Valor tiltrotor and longer term helicopter technology development at Bell

  • Industry Voice (40:10)

Tony Skinner, our VP of content, talks to Endre Lunde, SVP of Communications for Nammo, as well as David Rolen, Nammo’s director of business development and marketing for the US, about the recent US budget news in this week’s Industry Voice.   

Music and sound mixing provided by Fred Prest


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 2019-03-22  46m
 
 
00:00  Speaker 1
Just
00:01
over
00:01
a
00:01
year
00:01
of
00:01
flight
00:01
testing
00:02
between
00:03
galleries,
00:03
proven
00:03
that
00:03
it
00:03
has
00:04
an
00:04
mass
00:04
range
00:05
speed
00:05
and
00:05
agility
00:06
and
00:06
has
00:06
certainly
00:06
that's
00:07
going
00:07
to
00:07
reassert
00:07
bowel
00:08
health
00:08
dominance
00:08
at
00:09
an
00:09
affordable
00:09
cost
00:10
to
00:10
American
00:10
tax
00:10
payer.
00:19  Speaker 2
Welcome
00:19
to
00:20
the
00:20
weekly
00:20
defense
00:21
podcast,
00:22
the
00:22
show
00:22
about
00:22
defense
00:23
procurement,
00:24
military
00:25
technology,
00:26
and
00:26
the
00:26
industry
00:26
that
00:27
gets
00:27
the
00:27
kit
00:28
into
00:28
the
00:28
hands
00:28
of
00:29
the
00:29
war
00:29
fighter.
00:30
We
00:30
are
00:30
brought
00:31
to
00:31
you
00:31
in
00:31
partnership
00:32
with
00:32
our
00:32
sponsor
00:33
Nemo.
00:34
I'm
00:34
your
00:34
host
00:35
Helen
00:35
Hexcel,
00:36
a
00:36
domain
00:36
editor
00:37
here
00:37
at
00:38
shepherd
00:38
media
00:39
coming
00:39
to
00:39
you
00:39
from
00:40
our
00:40
global
00:40
headquarters
00:41
in
00:41
a
00:41
foggy
00:42
west
00:43
London
00:44
on
00:45
the
00:45
show
00:45
this
00:46
week,
00:46
our
00:47
analysts,
00:47
Matt
00:48
and
00:48
Elca
00:48
talk
00:49
about
00:49
the
00:49
state
00:49
of
00:50
the
00:50
air
00:50
defense
00:50
market.
00:51
I'm
00:52
in
00:52
conversation
00:53
with
00:53
Steve
00:54
Mathias,
00:54
VP
00:55
of
00:55
global
00:56
military
00:56
sales
00:56
and
00:57
strategy
00:57
at
00:57
bell
00:58
about
00:58
that
00:59
current
00:59
and
00:59
future
01:00
military
01:01
rotorcraft
01:01
programs
01:02
and
01:02
our
01:02
sponsor
01:04
Namo
01:04
provides
01:04
this
01:05
week's
01:05
industry
01:06
voice
01:06
segment,
01:08
but
01:08
first
01:09
a
01:09
weekly
01:09
news
01:10
roundup.
01:10
And
01:10
I'm
01:11
here
01:11
with
01:11
Richard
01:12
Thomas,
01:12
editor
01:12
and
01:13
chief
01:15
Kate
01:15
Marta
01:15
land
01:15
reporter.
01:16
Hello
01:17
Helen
01:17
and
01:17
Tim
01:18
Martin,
01:18
our
01:18
air
01:18
reporter.
01:19
Hi
01:20
Hon.
01:20
To
01:20
talk
01:20
about
01:21
what's
01:21
caught
01:21
their
01:22
eye
01:22
this
01:22
week
01:23
and
01:23
not
01:23
only
01:23
catching
01:24
that
01:24
I,
01:25
Tim,
01:25
you're
01:25
catching
01:26
your
01:26
breath.
01:26
You've
01:26
just
01:27
got
01:27
him
01:27
from
01:27
an
01:28
MBD
01:28
a
01:28
briefing
01:29
I
01:29
believe.
01:29
Can
01:29
you
01:29
give
01:30
us
01:30
a
01:30
bit
01:30
of
01:30
update
01:31
on
01:31
that?
01:31  Speaker 3
Yes,
01:32
certainly.
01:33
So
01:33
I've
01:33
just
01:33
returned
01:33
as
01:33
you
01:33
say,
01:34
from
01:34
central
01:34
London
01:35
where
01:36
Mbta
01:36
were
01:36
present
01:36
them
01:36
there
01:36
20
01:37
obtain
01:37
results,
01:38
right.
01:39
So
01:39
I
01:39
suppose
01:40
that
01:40
the
01:41
headlines,
01:41
uh,
01:41
in
01:41
terms
01:42
of
01:42
a
01:42
kind,
01:42
it's
01:43
where
01:43
that
01:43
the
01:43
order
01:44
and
01:44
tick
01:44
was
01:44
worth
01:44
4
01:45
billion
01:45
throughout
01:45
2018.
01:46
Um,
01:47
and
01:47
that's
01:47
split
01:47
between
01:48
2.5
01:48
billion
01:49
for
01:49
domestic
01:50
orders
01:50
on
01:51
1.5
01:51
billion
01:52
for
01:52
export
01:53
orders
01:54
night
01:54
when
01:55
the,
01:56
when
01:56
the
01:56
subject
01:56
was
01:57
a
01:57
Rias,
01:57
the
01:58
bite,
01:58
um,
01:59
high
01:59
business,
01:59
um,
02:01
you
02:01
know,
02:01
had
02:01
gone
02:01
through
02:02
it
02:02
the
02:02
last,
02:03
yeah,
02:03
three,
02:03
eight,
02:03
the
02:04
12
02:04
months
02:04
of
02:04
2018.
02:05
Um,
02:06
it,
02:06
there
02:07
was
02:07
three
02:07
men
02:08
at
02:08
issues
02:08
that
02:08
were
02:09
talked
02:09
about
02:09
by
02:10
CEO,
02:11
Antwan
02:11
Bouvier.
02:12
He
02:12
had
02:12
Manson,
02:13
the
02:13
national
02:13
government
02:13
policies,
02:14
export
02:15
licenses
02:15
on
02:16
Brexit
02:16
had
02:16
complicated
02:18
and
02:18
business
02:18
effectively.
02:20
What's
02:20
Brexit,
02:20
Tim?
02:21
So,
02:21
yes,
02:22
rich
02:23
of
02:23
course
02:23
it's
02:23
on
02:24
everyone's
02:24
lips,
02:24
I
02:25
guess
02:25
Orion's
02:25
UK,
02:26
but
02:26
it's
02:26
a
02:26
new
02:26
case
02:27
panel
02:27
pending
02:28
withdrawal
02:28
from
02:29
a
02:30
European
02:30
Union.
02:31
Um,
02:31
and
02:32
at
02:32
this
02:33
point,
02:34
um,
02:34
there's
02:35
no
02:35
concrete
02:36
plan
02:36
in
02:37
terms
02:37
of
02:38
high
02:38
businesses
02:39
would
02:40
work
02:41
through
02:42
the
02:42
seals
02:43
defense
02:44
sales
02:44
effectively
02:44
when
02:45
it
02:45
comes
02:45
to
02:46
tireless
02:46
for
02:47
an
02:47
export
02:47
between
02:49
the
02:49
UK
02:49
and
02:50
uh,
02:50
the
02:50
rest
02:50
of
02:50
Europe
02:51
at
02:51
which
02:51
is
02:52
different
02:52
to
02:53
the
02:53
arrangements
02:54
that
02:54
are
02:54
sat
02:54
out
02:54
at
02:54
the
02:54
moment
02:55
whereby
02:56
28
02:56
member
02:56
states
02:57
have
02:58
one
02:59
policy
03:00
I,
03:00
I
03:00
guess,
03:01
um,
03:01
in
03:01
terms
03:02
of
03:03
exchange
03:03
and
03:04
arms
03:04
and
03:05
um,
03:05
uh,
03:05
defense
03:06
products
03:07  Speaker 2
on
03:08
that
03:08
same,
03:08
I've
03:08
attended
03:09
briefings
03:10
this
03:10
year
03:10
with
03:11
Collins
03:12
aerospace
03:12
manufacturer
03:13
of
03:13
avionics
03:14
and
03:14
Aero
03:15
Structure
03:15
Systems
03:15
as
03:16
well
03:16
as
03:16
interior
03:16
is
03:16
mechanical
03:17
systems
03:18
and
03:18
general
03:18
atomics.
03:19
Now
03:20
everybody
03:20
obviously
03:21
within
03:21
the
03:21
UK
03:22
circuit
03:23
is
03:23
pressing
03:23
on
03:23
this
03:24
Brexit
03:24
issue
03:24
and
03:25
I'm
03:25
sure
03:25
it
03:25
was
03:25
today,
03:26
but
03:26
what
03:26
I've
03:27
got
03:27
from
03:27
both
03:28
of
03:28
those
03:28
meetings
03:29
is
03:29
that
03:29
it
03:29
is
03:30
very
03:30
much
03:30
business
03:30
as
03:31
usual
03:31
people,
03:32
companies
03:33
quite
03:33
rightly,
03:33
you
03:33
don't
03:33
want
03:34
to
03:34
be
03:34
drawn
03:34
on
03:34
the
03:34
political
03:35
flip
03:35
flopping
03:35
that
03:36
is
03:36
occurring
03:36
at
03:36
the
03:37
moment.
03:37
And
03:37
that
03:37
is
03:37
dominant
03:38
in
03:38
the
03:38
narrative
03:39
here.
03:40
Um,
03:40
is
03:40
that
03:40
a
03:40
similar
03:41
kind
03:41
of
03:41
vein
03:42
that
03:42
the,
03:42  Speaker 3
yeah,
03:43
I
03:43
totally
03:43
agree.
03:44
I
03:44
suppose
03:44
with
03:44
the
03:44
exception
03:45
of
03:45
our
03:46
bus
03:46
and
03:46
because
03:47
they
03:47
have
03:47
the,
03:48
um,
03:48
Franco,
03:49
uh,
03:49
German,
03:50
uh,
03:50
uh,
03:50
allegiance,
03:51
um,
03:51
I
03:52
guess
03:52
I'm
03:52
a
03:53
euro
03:53
centric.
03:54
Um,
03:55
they
03:55
have
03:55
a
03:55
UK
03:56
base
03:56
here.
03:57
You
03:57
can't
03:57
bs.
03:58
Um,
03:58
but
03:59
they've
03:59
taken
03:59
a
04:00
hard
04:00
line
04:00
approach,
04:02
which
04:02
as
04:02
you
04:02
might
04:02
recall
04:03
was
04:04
publicized.
04:04
You're
04:04
in
04:05
Farnborough.
04:06
Uh,
04:06
but
04:06
aside
04:07
from
04:07
that,
04:07
because
04:07
there's
04:08
such
04:08
a,
04:08
a
04:08
big,
04:09
um,
04:09
the
04:09
UK
04:10
presence
04:10
for
04:11
NBDA,
04:12
they
04:12
kind
04:12
of
04:12
struck
04:13
a
04:13
more
04:13
optimistic
04:14
tone
04:14
and
04:14
Bouvier
04:15
specifically
04:16
talked
04:17
about,
04:17
um,
04:18
you
04:18
know,
04:18
preserving
04:19
the
04:19
best
04:20
interest
04:20
of,
04:21
of
04:21
Europe
04:21
and
04:21
making
04:22
sure,
04:22
um,
04:23
that
04:23
Annie
04:24
treated
04:24
isn't
04:24
done
04:25
on
04:25
a
04:25
case
04:25
by
04:26
case
04:26
by
04:26
case
04:27
basis,
04:28
but
04:28
rather
04:28
that
04:28
some
04:29
collective
04:29
arrangement
04:30
and
04:30
should
04:30
be
04:31
and
04:31
sought
04:32
after.
04:32  Speaker 2
Excellent.
04:33
And
04:34
on
04:34
the
04:35
new
04:35
side,
04:35
what,
04:36
what,
04:36
what's
04:37
taken
04:37
your
04:37
fancy
04:37
this
04:38
week
04:38
or
04:38
what
04:38
have
04:38
you
04:38
been
04:38
reporting
04:39
on?
04:40  Speaker 3
Um,
04:40
yes,
04:40
you're
04:40
on
04:40
pure
04:41
procurement
04:42
side,
04:42
specifically
04:42
for
04:43
Mba
04:44
and
04:44
one
04:45
of
04:45
their
04:45
most
04:45
high
04:46
profile
04:46
and
04:47
contract
04:47
awards
04:48
was
04:48
from
04:48
the
04:48
France
04:49
Dga.
04:50
Right.
04:50
Um,
04:50
and
04:50
that's
04:50
for
04:51
the
04:51
mega,
04:52
a
04:52
next
04:52
generation
04:53
or
04:53
to
04:53
our
04:54
[inaudible]
04:55
so
04:55
readily
04:55
that
04:55
was
04:56
signed
04:57
off
04:57
or
04:57
at
04:57
least
04:57
awarded
04:58
and
04:58
November,
05:00
2018,
05:00
um,
05:01
but
05:01
the
05:01
first
05:02
deliveries
05:02
will
05:02
begin
05:03
in
05:03
2026
05:04
and
05:05
that
05:05
was
05:05
really
05:06
what,
05:06
um,
05:07
uh,
05:07
Bouvier
05:07
was
05:08
kind
05:08
of
05:08
repeating
05:09
that,
05:09
uh,
05:09
this
05:09
was
05:09
kind
05:10
of,
05:10
um,
05:10
an
05:11
outstanding,
05:11
um,
05:13
Dale,
05:13
um,
05:14
for
05:15
Mba.
05:15
And
05:15
more
05:16
specifically,
05:17
I'm
05:17
away
05:17
from
05:18
the,
05:19
the,
05:19
the
05:19
results,
05:20
um,
05:21
earlier
05:21
in
05:21
London
05:22
and
05:22
earlier
05:23
this
05:23
week
05:23
I'd
05:23
reported
05:24
on
05:24
and
05:24
they
05:25
see
05:25
hits
05:25
53
05:26
k
05:26
and
05:27
Kang
05:27
stallion.
05:27
The
05:28
Kingston
05:28
stallion.
05:28
Yes.
05:28
So
05:29
it's
05:29
the,
05:30
the
05:30
uh,
05:31
common,
05:32
uh,
05:32
heavy
05:32
left
05:32
aircraft
05:33
for
05:33
the
05:33
US
05:34
Marine
05:34
Corps.
05:35
Um,
05:35
so
05:37
originally
05:37
in
05:38
November,
05:38
sorry,
05:38
September,
05:40
2017
05:41
and
05:41
there
05:41
was
05:41
a,
05:41
uh,
05:42
first
05:42
Lorietta
05:43
natia
05:44
low
05:44
writhe
05:44
initial
05:45
easy
05:45
for
05:45
me
05:45
to
05:45
say
05:46
a
05:46
little
05:46
bit
05:46
and
05:46
they
05:46
show
05:47
a
05:47
production
05:48
contract
05:48
signed
05:49
off
05:49
and
05:49
that's
05:50
not
05:50
common
05:50
to
05:51
an
05:51
end
05:51
and
05:52
their
05:52
night,
05:53
uh,
05:53
engaging
05:53
in
05:53
negotiations
05:54
for
05:54
a
05:54
second
05:55
and
05:55
third,
05:56
uh,
05:56
con
05:56
lots.
05:57
I'm
05:57
contract.
05:58  Speaker 4
So
05:58
my
05:58
understanding
05:59
is
06:00
that
06:00
that'll
06:00
be
06:01
for
06:01
between
06:01
12
06:02
to
06:02
14
06:03
and
06:03
aircraft.
06:04
And
06:04
I'm
06:04
quite
06:04
interested
06:05
in
06:07
only
06:07
a
06:07
week
06:07
previous.
06:07
And
06:07
when
06:08
the
06:08
budget
06:08
report
06:09
as
06:09
we
06:09
discussed
06:09
last
06:10
week
06:10
am
06:11
Fyi,
06:11
20,
06:11
20
06:12
and
06:13
fingers
06:13
specifically
06:13
referring
06:14
to
06:14
and
06:14
see
06:15
it's
06:15
53
06:15
k,
06:16
I'm
06:16
sure
06:17
that
06:17
there
06:17
was
06:17
an
06:17
increase
06:18
of
06:18
34
06:19
million
06:20
and
06:20
being
06:20
afforded
06:20
to
06:22
um,
06:22
uh,
06:23
a
06:23
request
06:23
for
06:23
sex
06:24
aircraft
06:25
rather
06:25
than
06:26
nine,
06:26
which
06:26
was
06:27
originally,
06:28
um,
06:28
uh,
06:28
kind
06:28
of
06:29
four
06:29
or
06:29
hoped
06:29
for
06:29
at
06:30
least
06:30
in
06:30
their
06:31
Fya
06:31
2019.
06:32
So
06:32
it's,
06:33
it's
06:33
quite
06:33
an
06:33
interest
06:34
in
06:34
because
06:34
that
06:35
is
06:35
potentially
06:35
a
06:35
reflection
06:36
on
06:36
the
06:36
fact
06:37
that
06:37
there's
06:37
been
06:38
various
06:38
developmental
06:39
issues
06:39
with
06:39
the
06:40
CCH
06:41
53
06:41
k
06:42
and
06:42
not
06:43
least
06:43
those
06:43
that
06:44
were
06:44
publicized
06:44
by
06:44
the
06:45
Pentagon
06:45
and
06:45
a
06:46
report
06:46
last
06:47
month.
06:48
And
06:48
also
06:48
you'll
06:48
be
06:48
chasing
06:49
Lockheed
06:50
Martin
06:50
for
06:50
further
06:50
details.
06:51
Yes,
06:51
absolutely.
06:52
Answer
06:52
course
06:53
fee
06:53
of
06:53
course.
06:54
Kate
06:55
Beth
06:55
laundry
06:56
drill.
06:56
She's
06:56
away
06:57
in
06:57
South
06:58
Africa
06:58
at
06:58
the
06:58
moment,
06:58
sipping
06:58
nice
06:59
wine
06:59
and
06:59
looking
06:59
out
07:00
to
07:00
the
07:00
CIO
07:01
here
07:01
and
07:01
some
07:02
life
07:02
firing
07:02
demos.
07:03
What,
07:03
what's
07:03
going
07:04
on
07:04
on
07:04
the
07:04
land
07:04
domain.
07:05
Yup.
07:05
So,
07:06
um,
07:06
I
07:06
guess
07:07
apart
07:07
from
07:08
sipping
07:08
what
07:08
are
07:09
safe,
07:09
the
07:09
sipping
07:10
nice
07:10
red
07:10
wine
07:10
and
07:11
enjoying
07:11
South
07:12
Africa
07:12
and
07:12
generally
07:13
that's
07:13
actually
07:13
been
07:13
doing
07:14
some
07:14
work
07:14
Sushi.
07:15
You
07:15
fired
07:15
a
07:15
story
07:15
this
07:16
morning
07:16
as
07:16
well
07:17
from
07:17
South
07:18
Africa
07:18
and
07:19
it's
07:19
a
07:20
new,
07:20
uh,
07:20
unveiling
07:21
of
07:21
a
07:22
UTV
07:22
configuration.
07:24
New
07:24
TV
07:24
is
07:25
our
07:25
main
07:25
ground
07:25
vehicle.
07:26
It's
07:26
a
07:26
bit
07:26
of
07:26
a
07:26
mouthful.
07:27
I'm,
07:27
and
07:28
that's
07:29
my
07:29
Ryan
07:29
Mattel,
07:29
Canada,
07:29
right?
07:30
It's
07:30
quite
07:30
a
07:31
formidable
07:31
platform
07:32
actually.
07:32
So
07:32
it's
07:33
equipped
07:33
with
07:33
different
07:34
payloads.
07:35
You
07:35
can
07:35
have
07:35
rockets
07:36
or
07:36
grenade
07:36
launchers
07:37
or
07:37
guns
07:38
and
07:38
these
07:38
payloads
07:39
can
07:39
be
07:39
fitted
07:40
to
07:40
both
07:41
Nieto
07:41
and
07:41
Russian
07:41
standards
07:42
as
07:43
well.
07:43
So
07:43
it's
07:44
actually
07:44
been
07:44
undergoing
07:45
some
07:45
live
07:45
firing
07:46
at
07:47
the
07:47
moment,
07:48
uh,
07:48
at
07:48
the
07:48
demonstrations
07:49
that
07:49
Beth
07:49
is
07:50
that
07:50
and
07:51
um,
07:51
they've
07:51
also
07:52
already
07:52
got
07:52
a
07:52
customer
07:53
for
07:53
this
07:53
as
07:53
well.
07:54
Okay.
07:54
Do
07:54
we
07:55
know
07:55
who
07:56
now?
07:57
So
07:57
it's
07:57
again,
07:58
it's
07:58
an
07:59
unnamed,
08:00
um,
08:00
Middle
08:01
Eastern
08:01
customer
08:02
in
08:03
the
08:03
Middle
08:03
East.
08:04
Yeah.
08:04
They're
08:04
always
08:05
purchasing
08:05
quite
08:06
a
08:06
few
08:06
things.
08:07
Do
08:07
we
08:07
know
08:07
how
08:07
many
08:07
they're
08:07
purchasing?
08:08
So
08:09
I
08:09
think
08:09
it
08:09
was
08:09
about
08:10
a
08:10
hundred
08:10
or
08:11
several
08:12
hundreds.
08:12
Okay.
08:12
So
08:13
it's
08:13
still
08:13
a
08:13
bit,
08:14
yeah.
08:15
But
08:15
yeah,
08:15
maybe
08:16
quite
08:16
a
08:16
few
08:17
of
08:17
these
08:17
vehicles.
08:17
So
08:18
go
08:18
around
08:18
somewhere
08:18
in
08:18
the
08:19
Middle
08:19
East.
08:20
Um,
08:20
Yep.
08:20
So
08:21
that's
08:21
quite
08:21
notable.
08:22
And
08:22
in
08:23
addition
08:23
as
08:23
well,
08:24
uh,
08:24
on
08:24
Wednesday
08:25
the
08:25
20th,
08:26
there
08:26
was
08:26
the
08:26
jump
08:26
budget
08:27
was
08:27
announced
08:27
and
08:28
if
08:28
you
08:28
thought
08:28
UGV
08:29
was
08:29
a
08:29
mouthful,
08:30
try
08:30
saying
08:31
for
08:31
Tido
08:31
goons
08:32
house
08:32
how
08:32
it
08:33
on,
08:33
which
08:33
is
08:35
very
08:35
good.
08:36
That's
08:36
the
08:36
name
08:36
for
08:37
their
08:37
jam
08:37
budget
08:37
in
08:38
German.
08:38
And
08:38
that
08:39
was
08:39
released
08:39
on
08:39
Wednesday.
08:40
What's
08:40
quite
08:41
interesting
08:41
about
08:41
that
08:42
is,
08:42
um,
08:42
the
08:43
figures
08:43
released,
08:44
uh,
08:44
they
08:44
say
08:44
they're
08:44
going
08:44
to
08:45
be
08:45
spending
08:46
1.3%
08:47
of
08:47
GDP
08:48
by
08:49
2020
08:50
on
08:50
defense,
08:51
which
08:51
is
08:51
obviously
08:52
for,
08:52
it's
08:52
like
08:52
way
08:52
below
08:53
the,
08:53
um,
08:53
sort
08:54
of
08:54
NATO
08:55
benchmark
08:56
of
08:56
2%
08:56
as
08:56
well.
08:57
Um,
08:58
and
08:59
they're
08:59
sort
08:59
of
08:59
aim
08:59
is
09:00
by
09:00
2023
09:01
to
09:01
have
09:02
raised
09:02
about
09:03
to
09:04
increase
09:04
funding
09:04
by
09:05
33
09:06
million,
09:07
which
09:07
isn't
09:07
to
09:07
even
09:07
come
09:08
close
09:08
obviously
09:08
to,
09:09
to,
09:09
to,
09:10
to
09:10
get
09:10
Jeremy
09:10
to
09:11
reach
09:11
that
09:11
2%
09:12
benchmark.
09:12
It
09:12
almost
09:12
seems
09:13
like
09:14
a
09:14
hollow
09:14
gesture
09:15
or
09:15
a
09:15
gesture
09:16
with
09:17
consequences
09:18
of
09:18
Islam.
09:19
Yeah.
09:19
Um,
09:19
so
09:20
other
09:20
than
09:20
the
09:20
u
09:21
s
09:22
government
09:22
at
09:22
the
09:22
moment
09:22
quarter,
09:23
a
09:23
worrisome
09:24
figure.
09:24
And
09:24
I
09:25
think
09:25
that's
09:25
kind
09:25
of
09:26
in
09:26
terms
09:26
of,
09:27
it
09:27
seems
09:27
more
09:27
like
09:28
Germany
09:28
as
09:28
sort
09:28
of
09:28
dragging
09:29
its
09:29
feet
09:30
rather
09:30
than
09:30
trying
09:30
to
09:31
meet
09:31
this
09:31
budget
09:31
at
09:31
all.
09:32
Yup.
09:33
Um,
09:33
Yep.
09:33
So
09:34
that's
09:34
aptly
09:34
everything
09:35
from
09:35
the
09:35
landesk
09:36
and
09:36
also
09:37
me
09:37
and
09:38
Beth
09:38
won't
09:38
be
09:38
here
09:38
again
09:39
next
09:40
week,
09:40
so
09:40
we'll
09:40
both
09:40
be
09:41
at
09:41
global
09:41
forces,
09:42
a
09:42
USA
09:42
in
09:43
the
09:43
US
09:43
and
09:43
that's
09:43
going
09:43
to
09:43
be
09:44
my
09:44
first
09:44
time
09:44
in
09:44
the
09:44
u
09:44
s
09:45
excellent.
09:45
Wow.
09:46
We
09:46
look
09:46
forward
09:46
to
09:46
hearing
09:47
more
09:47
from
09:47
that
09:48
show
09:48
from
09:48
me.
09:48
K
09:48
In
09:49
due
09:49
course,
09:52
Richard
09:52
Editor
09:52
and
09:52
chief
09:52
of
09:52
the
09:52
fleet
09:53
of
09:53
the
09:53
c
09:54
domain.
09:54
I
09:55
hear
09:55
it's
09:55
a
09:56
increased,
09:56
you've
09:57
got
09:57
a
09:57
new
09:57
team
09:57
member.
09:59
Uh,
09:59
I
09:59
do.
10:00
I'll
10:00
get
10:00
to
10:01
him
10:01
lest
10:02
well,
10:02
can
10:02
you
10:02
share
10:03
with
10:03
us
10:03
from
10:03
the
10:03
c
10:04
domain
10:04
this
10:04
week?
10:04
Well,
10:05
it's
10:05
him
10:05
has
10:06  Speaker 5
set
10:06
me
10:06
up
10:06
beautifully.
10:06
So
10:07
I'm
10:07
going
10:07
to
10:07
talk
10:07
about
10:07
NBDA.
10:08
Um,
10:09
another
10:10
Michelle
10:10
programmers.
10:11
So
10:11
they,
10:11
they
10:11
uh,
10:12
announced
10:12
this
10:13
week
10:13
that
10:13
a,
10:13
the
10:14
future
10:15
cruise
10:15
anti
10:15
ship
10:16
weapon
10:16
program
10:17
that's
10:17
the
10:17
FCA
10:17
has
10:17
to
10:18
have
10:18
new
10:18
weapon,
10:19
um,
10:20
had
10:20
passed
10:20
what
10:20
they've
10:20
described
10:21
as
10:21
a
10:21
key
10:21
review
10:22
in
10:22
the
10:23
concept
10:23
phase.
10:23
So
10:24
the,
10:24
the,
10:24
the
10:24
concept
10:25
phase
10:25
began
10:26
in
10:26
2017
10:27
is
10:27
100
10:27
million
10:28
euro
10:28
program,
10:29
um,
10:29
by
10:29
the
10:29
UK
10:30
and
10:30
France
10:31
to
10:31
explore
10:32
ways
10:32
in
10:32
which
10:32
they
10:32
might
10:33
replace
10:33
the
10:33
storm
10:34
shadow
10:34
and
10:34
scalp
10:35
a
10:35
cruise
10:36
missile
10:36
systems
10:36
that
10:36
the
10:36
two
10:37
countries
10:37
use.
10:38
Um,
10:38
and
10:39
also
10:39
the
10:39
exercise
10:40
anti
10:40
ship
10:40
missile
10:41
system
10:41
that
10:41
France
10:42
uses
10:42
and
10:42
the
10:42
Harpoon
10:43
and
10:43
Shit
10:43
missile
10:43
system
10:43
that
10:43
the
10:44
UK
10:44
uses.
10:45
So
10:45
with
10:45
this
10:45
key
10:46
review
10:46
being
10:47
being
10:47
sort
10:47
of
10:48
passed
10:48
at
10:48
the
10:48
next
10:48
stage,
10:49
will,
10:50
let's
10:50
see,
10:51
they
10:51
will
10:52
further
10:52
look
10:52
into,
10:53
um,
10:54
aspects
10:54
of
10:54
the
10:55
concepts
10:55
that
10:55
seem
10:56
to
10:56
meet
10:56
potential
10:57
requirements
10:58
over
10:58
the
10:58
next
10:58
12
10:58
months
11:00
ahead
11:01
of
11:01
the
11:01
end
11:01
of
11:01
the
11:01
concept
11:02
phase
11:02
in
11:02
2020
11:03
and
11:04
the
11:04
that's,
11:05
we'll
11:05
see
11:05
the
11:05
beginning
11:05
of
11:05
a
11:05
development
11:06
and
11:06
production
11:07
phase,
11:08
um,
11:08
over
11:08
the
11:09
next
11:09
several
11:09
years.
11:10
Actually,
11:10
I
11:10
want
11:10
to
11:11
drop
11:11
back
11:12
to
11:12
a
11:12
story
11:12
that
11:12
we
11:13
wrote
11:13
last
11:13
week,
11:13
but
11:14
we
11:14
didn't
11:14
get
11:14
to
11:14
talk
11:14
about
11:15
it
11:15
on
11:15
the
11:15
podcast,
11:17
but
11:17
we've
11:17
been
11:17
fallen
11:17
it
11:17
over
11:18
the
11:18
pastor
11:18
sort
11:18
of
11:19
several
11:19
days.
11:19
And
11:19
we
11:19
have
11:20
had
11:20
a
11:21
couple
11:21
of
11:21
updates
11:21
to
11:21
that.
11:21
So
11:21
this
11:21
is,
11:22
this
11:22
is
11:22
about
11:23
serving
11:23
the
11:23
UK,
11:23
looking
11:24
for
11:24
a,
11:26
an
11:26
interim
11:27
and
11:27
to
11:27
ship
11:28
missile
11:28
system
11:28
to
11:29
bridge
11:29
the
11:29
gap
11:29
between
11:30
the
11:30
retirement
11:30
of
11:30
the
11:32
Harpoon
11:32
in
11:32
2023
11:33
I
11:34
think.
11:34
I
11:34
hope
11:34
that's
11:35
right.
11:35
Um,
11:36
and
11:36
the
11:36
introduction
11:37
of
11:37
the
11:38
FCA
11:39
ASW
11:39
so
11:39
on
11:40
the
11:40
5th
11:41
of
11:41
March,
11:41
UK
11:42
issue
11:42
day,
11:42
pry
11:42
information
11:43
notice,
11:44
um,
11:44
for
11:44
the
11:45
next
11:45
gen
11:45
and
11:46
district
11:46
missile
11:46
system.
11:47
Um,
11:47
as
11:47
I
11:47
said,
11:47
which
11:47
would
11:48
bridge
11:48
this,
11:49
this
11:49
a
11:49
gap.
11:50
Um,
11:51
so
11:51
industries
11:51
obviously
11:53
sat
11:53
up
11:53
there
11:53
that
11:54
they're
11:54
taking
11:54
notice
11:55
of
11:55
this
11:55
potential
11:55
requirement.
11:56
This
11:56
is
11:56
all
11:56
it
11:56
is
11:57
right
11:57
now.
11:57
They're
11:57
not
11:57
asking
11:58
industry
11:58
for
11:58
anything
11:59
other
11:59
than
11:59
just
11:59
to
11:59
be
12:00
aware.
12:01
Um,
12:02
uh,
12:02
the
12:02
first
12:02
delivery
12:03
of
12:03
any,
12:04
uh,
12:04
next,
12:04
sorry,
12:05
the
12:05
first
12:06
delivery
12:06
of
12:06
any
12:06
interim,
12:07
a
12:07
missile,
12:08
uh,
12:08
would,
12:09
would
12:10
enter
12:10
in
12:10
about
12:11
2023.
12:13
Now
12:13
the
12:13
potential
12:13
contract
12:14
would
12:14
be
12:14
for
12:15
an
12:15
initial
12:16
four
12:16
years
12:17
with
12:17
up
12:17
to
12:17
nine
12:18
option
12:18
years
12:19
after
12:19
that.
12:19
So
12:19
you're
12:19
looking
12:20
at
12:20
this
12:21
interim
12:21
missile
12:21
potentially
12:22
running
12:22
up
12:23
to
12:23
about
12:23
20,
12:24
36
12:25
which
12:25
Sosi
12:25
well
12:25
past
12:26
the
12:26
time
12:27
frame.
12:27
The
12:27
MBTA
12:28
has
12:28
mentioned
12:29
for
12:30
each
12:30
future
12:30
cruise
12:30
and
12:30
to
12:30
shit
12:31
weapon.
12:32
Nevertheless,
12:32
um,
12:33
this
12:33
is
12:33
something
12:34
that,
12:34
so
12:34
as
12:34
I
12:34
say
12:34
industry
12:35
is,
12:35
is,
12:36
is
12:36
monitoring.
12:37
They're
12:37
waiting
12:37
to
12:37
see
12:37
what
12:38
might
12:38
come
12:38
from
12:38
any
12:39
potential
12:39
future.
12:40
Pqq
12:42
NBDA
12:42
said
12:43
that
12:43
they
12:43
would
12:43
consider
12:44
any
12:44
response.
12:45
Uh,
12:46
Ethan
12:46
when
12:46
the
12:46
UK
12:46
issues
12:47
or
12:47
Pqq
12:47
IFC,
12:48
they
12:48
would
12:49
present
12:49
an
12:49
extra
12:50
based
12:50
solution,
12:50
Boeing
12:51
with
12:51
the
12:51
Harpoon
12:52
and
12:52
they
12:53
said
12:53
to
12:53
me
12:53
that
12:53
they
12:54
look
12:54
forward
12:54
to
12:54
offer
12:55
a
12:55
solution
12:55
and
12:55
port
12:55
and
12:56
they
12:56
pointed
12:57
towards
12:58
Ah,
12:58
this
12:58
would
12:58
likely
12:58
be
12:59
based
12:59
around
12:59
a
12:59
Harpoon
13:00
block
13:00
two
13:00
plus
13:01
Kongsberg
13:03
Kongsberg
13:03
sorry.
13:04
Most
13:05
recently
13:05
said
13:05
that
13:05
they,
13:05
again,
13:06
they
13:06
were
13:06
aware
13:06
of
13:06
the
13:07
pin
13:07
and
13:08
any
13:08
response
13:09
that
13:09
they
13:09
would
13:09
give
13:09
would
13:09
be
13:09
based
13:10
around
13:10
the
13:10
naval
13:10
strike
13:11
missile.
13:11
And
13:12
you've
13:12
got
13:12
other
13:12
options
13:13
such
13:13
as
13:14
sobs,
13:14
RBS
13:14
15
13:15
and
13:15
those
13:16
Ferentz.
13:16
Um,
13:16
it's
13:17
interesting
13:17
though
13:17
that
13:17
the,
13:19
the
13:19
timeframe
13:20
for
13:20
the
13:20
stopgap
13:21
interim
13:21
and
13:22
shit
13:22
missiles
13:22
solution
13:24
does
13:24
coincide
13:24
with
13:24
the
13:25
intended
13:25
arrival
13:26
of
13:26
the
13:26
future.
13:27
First
13:27
in
13:28
class
13:28
of
13:28
the
13:28
type
13:28
31
13:29
e
13:30
light
13:31
fragrance.
13:31
So
13:31
whether
13:31
there's
13:31
anything
13:32
to
13:32
be
13:32
drawn
13:32
into
13:32
that,
13:33
maybe
13:33
I'll
13:33
to
13:33
see
13:33
a
13:33
program
13:34
that
13:34
we
13:34
will
13:35
continue
13:35
to
13:35
follow
13:36
in
13:36
the
13:36
sea
13:36
desk.
13:37
The
13:38
Sea
13:38
desk,
13:39
Richard
13:39
the
13:39
Cedars,
13:40
the
13:40
desk
13:41
has
13:41
doubled
13:42
in
13:42
size.
13:42
We
13:43
have
13:43
introduced
13:44
a
13:44
new,
13:45
and
13:45
you
13:45
report
13:45
it
13:45
to,
13:46
to
13:46
our
13:46
team.
13:46
Jack
13:47
Richardson
13:47
has
13:47
joined
13:47
us
13:48
this
13:48
week
13:48
and
13:48
he's
13:48
actually
13:49
written
13:50
a
13:50
story.
13:50
He
13:50
hit
13:51
the
13:51
ground,
13:51
hit
13:51
the
13:52
ground,
13:52
hit
13:52
the
13:52
water
13:53
running
13:53
and
13:53
swimming
13:54
towards,
13:55
somebody
13:55
said
13:56
something
13:56
like
13:56
that.
13:57
So
13:57
this
13:57
is
13:57
a
13:58
tender
13:59
one
13:59
by
13:59
Belgium
14:00
naval
14:00
and
14:01
robotics.
14:01
That's
14:01
a
14:02
consortium
14:02
by
14:02
naval
14:03
group
14:03
and
14:03
ECA
14:03
group
14:04
at
14:04
1.2
14:05
$5
14:06
billion
14:06
tender
14:06
issued
14:07
in
14:07
the
14:07
summer
14:08
of
14:08
2018
14:08
for
14:08
delivery
14:09
of
14:09
the
14:09
12
14:09
MCM
14:10
vs
14:10
six
14:11
for
14:11
Belgium
14:12
of
14:12
six
14:12
for
14:12
Netherlands
14:13
and
14:14
a
14:14
associated
14:14
unmanned
14:15
systems
14:15
over
14:16
a
14:16
10
14:16
year
14:16
period.
14:17
A
14:17
British
14:18
design
14:18
firm
14:18
BMT
14:19
were
14:19
linked
14:20
with
14:20
the
14:20
Belgium
14:20
program,
14:21
uh,
14:21
with
14:22
its
14:22
Finnery
14:22
85
14:23
multipurpose
14:24
solution.
14:25
Um,
14:25
but
14:25
obviously
14:25
they'd
14:25
have
14:26
not
14:26
been
14:26
successful
14:27
on
14:27
this
14:27
occasion,
14:28
so
14:28
yeah.
14:30  Speaker 2
Thank
14:30
you.
14:30
Oh,
14:31
I
14:31
am
14:32
recently
14:33
met
14:33
up
14:33
with
14:34
uh,
14:34
Jerry
14:35
Mayhue
14:35
who's
14:35
the
14:36
assistant
14:36
chief
14:37
of
14:37
the
14:37
air
14:37
staff
14:38
to
14:38
discuss
14:38
the
14:39
future
14:39
direction
14:40
of
14:40
the
14:41
Royal
14:41
Air
14:41
Force.
14:41
Now
14:41
this
14:41
conversation
14:42
took
14:43
place
14:43
in
14:43
the
14:44
lead
14:44
up
14:44
to
14:44
the
14:45
and
14:45
space
14:45
conference,
14:46
which
14:46
is
14:46
due
14:47
to
14:47
take
14:47
place
14:48
on
14:48
the
14:48
17th
14:49
to
14:49
the
14:49
18th
14:50
of
14:50
July
14:50
in
14:51
London.
14:51
This
14:52
year
14:53
I
14:53
spoke
14:53
to
14:54
the
14:55
two
14:55
a
14:55
cass
14:55
about
14:56
the
14:57
key
14:57
technical
14:58
capabilities
14:59
that
14:59
are
14:59
shaping
15:00
the
15:01
res
15:01
Fleet
15:01
at
15:01
the
15:02
moment.
15:02
He
15:03
also
15:03
divulge
15:03