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episode 10: South African Army chief on budget issues; ITEC committee chair on simulation and training trends [transcript]


This week in the Weekly Defence Podcast, we talk to Chief of the South African Army Lieutenant General Lindile Yam about the finance issues facing the service, have a conversation with Dr Elaine Raybourn, ITEC 2019 Committee Chair, about simulation & training, and hear from our sponsor Nammo.

  • News Round Up (01:06)

Kicking things off this week, our new sea reporter Jack Richardson talks about the relocation of the EU’s Operation Atalanta command and control centre from the UK to Spain.

Editor-in-chief Richard Thomas covers the US Navy’s progress on their Guided Missile Frigate (FFG(X)) programme, as well as the stalled submarine plans for both the US and UK navies.

Air domain reporter Tim Martin touches upon the current state of Airbus’ UAS programme, currently seeking funding and partners, while Helen Haxell rounds things off with news from SAAB’s annual Gripen briefing. 

  • Interview – Lieutenant General Lindile Yam (15:01)

Deputy land editor Beth Maundrill is off travelling the world, and during her time in South Africa she was able to sit down with Lieutenant General Lindile Yam of the South African Army, to talk about the financial problems facing the military in the region. 

  • Interview – Dr Elaine Raybourn (29:48)

Trevor Nash, our military training and simulation editor, talks to the committee chair of ITEC, Dr Elaine Raybourn, about the importance of modelling and simulation in modern military training. Technologies such as augmented reality and virtual reality have opened new approaches alongside other technologies, which the ITEC show highlights.

  • Industry Voice (41:59)

Tony Skinner, our VP of content, is joined again by Endre Lunde, SVP of Communications for Nammo, who discusses the annual reports being released by the industry and the major trends they reveal.

Music and sound mixing provided by Fred Prest


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 2019-03-29  47m
 
 
00:00  Speaker 1
Number
00:00
one.
00:01
I
00:01
want
00:01
them
00:01
to
00:01
know
00:01
that
00:02
what
00:02
a
00:02
force
00:02
for
00:02
good
00:04
and
00:04
that
00:04
force
00:04
for
00:04
good
00:05
is
00:05
a
00:05
force
00:06
that
00:06
is
00:06
one
00:07
with
00:07
his
00:07
defense
00:08
in
00:08
the
00:09
street.
00:19  Speaker 2
Welcome
00:19
to
00:20
the
00:20
week
00:20  Speaker 3
cleat
00:21
defense
00:21
podcast,
00:22
the
00:22
show
00:22
about
00:22
defense
00:23
procurement,
00:24
military
00:25
technology,
00:26
and
00:26
the
00:26
industry
00:27
that
00:27
gets
00:27
the
00:27
kit
00:28
into
00:28
the
00:28
hands
00:29
of
00:29
the
00:29
war
00:29
fighter.
00:30
We
00:30
are
00:30
brought
00:31
to
00:31
you
00:31
in
00:31
partnership
00:32
with
00:32
our
00:32
sponsor
00:33
Nano.
00:34
I'm
00:34
your
00:34
host
00:35
Helen
00:35
hacks
00:36
or
00:36
air
00:36
domain
00:37
editor
00:37
here
00:38
at
00:38
shepherd
00:38
media
00:39
coming
00:39
to
00:39
you
00:39
from
00:40
our
00:40
global
00:40
headquarters
00:42
in
00:42
west
00:42
London
00:44
on
00:44
the
00:44
show
00:44
this
00:45
week,
00:45
deputy
00:46
land
00:46
editor
00:47
Beth
00:47
Moon
00:48
drawl
00:48
speaks
00:48
to
00:48
lieutenant
00:49
general
00:50
Lindell
00:50
Yam
00:51
above
00:51
the
00:51
budget
00:52
issues
00:52
the
00:52
South
00:53
African
00:53
army
00:54
is
00:54
facing
00:55
and
00:56
our
00:56
military
00:57
training
00:57
and
00:57
simulation
00:58
editor,
00:59
Trevor
00:59
Nash
01:00
is
01:00
in
01:00
conversation
01:01
with
01:02
Iteq
01:02
committee
01:03
chair
01:04
Dr
01:05
Elaine
01:05
Rayburn.
01:06  Speaker 4
Okay.
01:06  Speaker 3
But
01:06
first
01:07
our
01:08
weekly
01:08
news
01:08
roundup
01:09
and
01:09
I'm
01:09
here
01:10
with
01:10
Richard
01:11
Thomas,
01:11
editor
01:11
in
01:11
chief
01:13
to
01:13
Martin
01:15
Air
01:15
Reporter.
01:15
Hi,
01:15
hello
01:16
and
01:16
welcome
01:17
aboard
01:17
to
01:17
our
01:17
newest
01:18
member
01:18
of
01:18
our
01:19
team.
01:19
See
01:20
reports,
01:20
a
01:21
Jap
01:21
Richardson
01:22
to
01:22
talk
01:22
about
01:23
what's
01:23
caught
01:23
their
01:24
eye
01:24
this
01:25
week.
01:26
So
01:27
Jack,
01:27
let's
01:27
kick
01:28
off
01:28
with
01:28
you
01:28
first.
01:29
What's
01:30
kind
01:30
of
01:30
the
01:30
main
01:30
story
01:31
that's
01:31
took
01:31
your
01:32
fancy
01:32
in
01:32
your
01:33
first
01:33
weeks
01:33
at
01:34
shepherd?
01:34  Speaker 4
Well
01:35
that's
01:35
the
01:35
thing.
01:35
Quite
01:36
a
01:36
few,
01:36
but
01:36
the
01:36
main
01:36
one
01:37
this
01:37
week
01:37
is
01:38
the
01:38
relocation
01:39
of
01:39
the
01:39
come
01:40
on
01:40
to
01:40
control
01:40
sensor
01:41
of
01:41
the
01:42
US
01:43
naval
01:43
force
01:44
off
01:44
Somalia
01:45
operation
01:45
at
01:45
a
01:46
Lancer
01:46
from
01:47
Northwoods
01:47
in
01:47
west
01:48
London
01:49
to
01:49
rotor
01:49
in
01:49
Spain.
01:50
This
01:51
is,
01:51
this
01:51
is
01:51
a
01:51
two
01:51
pronged
01:52
process.
01:52
See,
01:53
come
01:53
on
01:53
to
01:53
control
01:53
operation
01:54
is,
01:54
is
01:55
moving
01:55
to
01:56
roadster,
01:56
but
01:56
the
01:57
maritime
01:58
sensor
01:58
for
01:58
security
01:59
off
01:59
the
02:00
Horn
02:00
of
02:00
Africa
02:00
wish
02:00
which
02:01
works
02:01
in
02:01
tandem
02:02
with
02:02
the,
02:03
with
02:03
the
02:03
c
02:03
two
02:04
sensor
02:04
is
02:05
moving
02:05
to
02:05
breasts
02:05
in
02:05
France.
02:07
This
02:07
was
02:07
announced
02:07
in
02:07
July,
02:09
2018
02:09
as
02:10
parts
02:10
of
02:10
the
02:10
eeks
02:10
departure
02:11
from
02:11
the
02:11
EU,
02:12
which
02:12
was
02:12
scheduled
02:13
for
02:13
this
02:14
Friday.
02:14
But
02:14
nonetheless,
02:15
the
02:17
seats
02:17
who
02:17
operation
02:17
is
02:18
being
02:18
run
02:18
from
02:18
London
02:19
until
02:20
11:00
02:21
AM
02:21
London
02:22
time
02:22
on
02:22
Friday
02:23
when
02:23
it
02:23
transfers
02:23
to
02:24
Rota.
02:24
So
02:24
sorry
02:25
Jack,
02:25
what's
02:26
what
02:26
the
02:26
purpose
02:26
of
02:27
EU
02:27
now
02:27
force
02:27
deployment?
02:28
Uh,
02:28
the
02:29
counter
02:29
piracy
02:30
mission.
02:30
Well
02:31
it
02:31
sauces
02:31
in
02:33
December,
02:33
2008
02:33
when
02:34
quite
02:34
been
02:35
a
02:35
the
02:35
off
02:35
Somalia.
02:36
It
02:36
was
02:36
at
02:36
its
02:36
highs
02:37
and
02:38
since
02:38
then
02:38
there
02:38
have
02:38
been
02:38
successful
02:39
interceptions
02:40
and
02:40
deterrence
02:41
against
02:42
Somali
02:42
pirates
02:44
but,
02:45
but
02:46
it's,
02:46
it's
02:46
continuing
02:47
focus
02:47
too
02:47
is
02:47
on
02:47
these
02:48
general
02:48
maritime
02:48
security
02:49
operations
02:50
in,
02:50
in
02:51
conjunction
02:51
with
02:51
individual
02:52
national
02:53
missions
02:53
and
02:54
Kurdish
02:54
and
02:55
task
02:55
force
02:55
one
02:55
five
02:55
one
02:57
and
02:57
it
02:57
also
02:57
has
02:57
a
02:58
mandate
02:58
to
02:59
support
03:00
the
03:00
World
03:00
Food
03:00
Program
03:01
operation
03:02
in
03:02
Somalia
03:02
and
03:03
the
03:04
African
03:04
Union
03:04
mission
03:04
there
03:04
as
03:05
well.
03:05
Yeah,
03:06
just,
03:06
just,
03:06
just
03:07
kind
03:07
of
03:07
reacting
03:07
to
03:07
that.
03:08
I
03:08
mean
03:08
the,
03:08
the,
03:09
you
03:09
know,
03:09
four
03:10
deployments
03:10
certainly
03:10
originally
03:11
was
03:11
conceivably
03:12
a
03:12
counter
03:13
Paris
03:13
emission
03:13
has
03:13
it,
03:13
a
03:13
lot
03:13
of
03:14
missions
03:14
of
03:14
that
03:15
time.
03:15
We're
03:15
trying
03:15
to
03:16
uh,
03:17
trying
03:17
to,
03:17
um,
03:18
put
03:18
a
03:18
halt
03:18
to
03:19
the
03:19
Somali
03:20
piracy
03:20
scourge,
03:21
which
03:21
affected
03:21
obviously
03:22
the
03:22
region
03:22
from
03:22
about
03:22
sort
03:23
of
03:23
the
03:23
early
03:23
20
03:24
[inaudible]
03:24
the
03:24
early
03:25
two
03:25
thousands
03:26
onwards.
03:26
I
03:26
think
03:27
now
03:27
though,
03:27
to
03:27
be
03:27
honest,
03:28
that
03:28
that
03:28
mission
03:28
has
03:29
changed
03:30
more
03:30
to
03:30
a
03:30
demonstration
03:31
of
03:31
capability
03:32
showcasing
03:32
that
03:33
a
03:33
European
03:33
Union
03:33
can
03:34
sustain
03:35
a
03:35
enabled
03:35
deployment,
03:36
uh,
03:36
a
03:36
long
03:36
way
03:36
away
03:36
from
03:37
its
03:37
own
03:38
continent.
03:38
Similar
03:38
to
03:39
how
03:39
China
03:40
and
03:40
Japan
03:41
have
03:41
been
03:41
using
03:41
their
03:41
national
03:43
deployment's.
03:43
Not
03:43
only
03:43
obviously
03:43
to
03:43
protect
03:44
maritime
03:45
trade
03:45
in
03:45
the
03:45
region,
03:45
but
03:46
also
03:46
a
03:46
showcase.
03:47
Um,
03:48
power
03:48
projection.
03:49
I
03:49
guess
03:49
for
03:49
want
03:49
of
03:49
a
03:49
better
03:49
phrase,
03:50
I
03:50
think
03:50
you're
03:50
right,
03:50
which
03:51
it
03:51
because
03:51
the,
03:51
throughout
03:52
its
03:52
tenure,
03:52
the
03:53
mission
03:53
has
03:53
used
03:54
vessels
03:54
of
03:54
all
03:54
shapes
03:54
and
03:55
sizes
03:55
right
03:55
down
03:56
from
03:56
patrol
03:57
vessels
03:57
up
03:57
to
03:57
how
03:57
the
03:58
cops
03:58
characters.
03:58
Now
03:59
we've
03:59
worked
03:59
with
03:59
the
04:00
supports
04:00
of
04:00
maritime
04:00
patrol
04:01
aircraft.
04:02
This
04:02
isn't
04:02
necessarily
04:02
limited
04:03
to
04:03
EU
04:03
states
04:04
because
04:05
Norway
04:05
has
04:05
contributed,
04:06
forgets
04:06
and
04:08
the
04:08
Ukraine
04:09
has
04:09
based
04:09
staff
04:10
at,
04:11
at
04:11
North
04:11
Woods.
04:12  Speaker 5
But
04:12
yes,
04:12
I'm
04:12
currently
04:13
the,
04:14
uh,
04:14
the
04:14
missions
04:14
and
04:14
began
04:14
to
04:14
take
04:15
him
04:15
by
04:15
the
04:16
Spanish
04:17
navies.
04:17
Oliver
04:18
Hazard,
04:18
Perry
04:18
derived
04:19
frigates,
04:19
Nevara,
04:20
the
04:20
French
04:22
warships,
04:22
Lafayette
04:22
alight
04:23
light
04:23
forgets
04:23
and
04:23
the
04:23
tawny
04:24
helicopter
04:25
carrier
04:26
Burt's
04:26
particularly
04:27
noticeable,
04:27
which
04:27
she
04:27
reported
04:28
on
04:28
last
04:29
month.
04:29
Richard
04:29
is
04:29
the
04:31
Carlo.
04:31
My
04:31
got
04:31
a
04:32
teeny,
04:32
a
04:32
Italian
04:33
navy
04:34  Speaker 4
anti
04:34
submarine
04:35
warfare
04:36
at
04:36
optimized
04:37
forgets
04:37
pirates
04:37
don't
04:37
have
04:37
any
04:38
submarines
04:38
right
04:38
now.
04:38
Exactly.
04:39
It's
04:39
quite
04:39
a
04:39
high,
04:40
high
04:40
end
04:40
shit
04:40
for
04:40
this
04:41
kind
04:41
of
04:41
mission.
04:41
So
04:42
you
04:42
can
04:42
leave
04:42
what
04:43
you
04:43
want,
04:43
I
04:43
suppose
04:43
into
04:44
terms
04:44
of
04:44
how
04:44
objection
04:45
exports,
04:46
it
04:46
was
04:46
that
04:46
high.
04:46
It's
04:47
ex
04:47
navy
04:47
was
04:47
happy
04:48
and
04:48
they
04:48
wouldn't
04:48
be
04:48
drawn
04:49
on
04:49
why
04:50
it's
04:50
got
04:50
two
04:50
helicopters
04:51
and
04:51
barks
04:51
and
04:52
has
04:52
a
04:52
total
04:52
rice.
04:53
So
04:53
NASA
04:53
monitor
04:53
submarines
04:54
in
04:54
the
04:54
region.
04:54
Yeah.
04:56
Richard,
04:56
have
04:56
you
04:56
got
04:56
more
04:56
to
04:57
add
04:57
to
04:57
the
04:57
seed
04:58
of
04:58
Maine?
04:59
A
04:59
couple
04:59
of
04:59
things
04:59
if
04:59
I
05:00
can.
05:00
Uh,
05:01
one,
05:01
a
05:01
program
05:01
on
05:02
or
05:02
ahead
05:02
of
05:02
schedule
05:02
and
05:03
another
05:03
thing
05:03
and
05:03
programs.
05:04
So
05:04
maybe
05:04
falling
05:04
a
05:04
little
05:05
bit
05:05
behind
05:05
schedule.
05:05
So
05:06
moving
05:06
quickly
05:07
for
05:07
leave
05:07
the
05:07
program
05:08
that
05:08
he's
05:08
on
05:08
schedule.
05:08
So
05:09
it's
05:09
the
05:10
a,
05:10
the
05:10
u
05:10
s
05:11
navy
05:11
will
05:11
release
05:12
an
05:12
RFP
05:12
for
05:12
the
05:13
FFG
05:13
x
05:13
program
05:14
this
05:14
summer,
05:14
which
05:15
is,
05:15
as
05:15
I
05:15
say,
05:16
I'm
05:16
a
05:16
head
05:16
of
05:17
schedule
05:17
and
05:18
this
05:18
is
05:18
according
05:18
to
05:18
Navy
05:19
acquisition,
05:19
chief
05:20
James
05:20
Guts,
05:20
who's
05:20
testifying
05:21
26
05:22
of
05:22
March
05:22
before
05:22
the
05:22
house
05:23
arms
05:23
services
05:24
committee.
05:25
A
05:25
navy
05:25
is
05:26
evaluating
05:26
industry
05:27
feedback
05:27
on
05:27
the
05:27
draft
05:28
RFP,
05:28
which
05:28
was
05:28
issued
05:29
on
05:29
the
05:29
march
05:29
on,
05:30
on,
05:30
on
05:30
the
05:30
1st
05:31
of
05:31
March,
05:31
which
05:31
is
05:31
of
05:31
course,
05:31
well
05:32
before
05:32
it's
05:32
June
05:32
target,
05:33
a
05:33
contract
05:34
award
05:34
for
05:34
the
05:34
DDC
05:35
is
05:35
slated
05:35
for
05:36
Q
05:36
four
05:36
2020.
05:38
Um,
05:39
the
05:39
2016
05:40
force
05:40
structure
05:40
assessment,
05:41
uh,
05:42
for
05:42
the
05:42
u
05:42
s
05:42
navy
05:42
called
05:43
for
05:43
this
05:43
service
05:43
to
05:43
grow
05:43
to
05:44
355
05:45
ships,
05:45
which
05:46
included
05:47
52
05:47
small
05:48
surface
05:48
combatants.
05:49
Now
05:49
also
05:50
testifying
05:50
to
05:50
the
05:50
committee.
05:51
He
05:51
was
05:51
Vice
05:51
Admiral
05:52
William
05:52
Mertz,
05:52
who
05:53
is
05:53
deputy
05:53
chief
05:53
of
05:54
naval
05:54
operations
05:55
for
05:55
warfare
05:55
systems
05:56
at
05:56
the
05:56
u
05:56
s
05:56
navy.
05:57
Um,
05:58
hey
05:58
and
05:58
he
05:59
suggested
05:59
that
06:00
the,
06:00
uh,
06:00
the
06:00
new
06:00
version
06:01
of
06:01
this
06:01
2016
06:02
study,
06:02
which
06:02
could
06:03
be
06:03
completed
06:03
by
06:03
the
06:04
end
06:04
of
06:04
this
06:04
year,
06:04
we'll
06:04
call
06:05
for
06:05
more
06:05
small
06:06
surface
06:06
combatants.
06:07
Now,
06:07
if
06:07
you
06:07
think
06:07
that
06:07
the
06:07
u
06:08
s
06:08
has
06:08
commissioned,
06:09
built
06:09
or
06:09
named,
06:10
uh,
06:10
up
06:10
to
06:11
lcs
06:11
34
06:12
currently
06:12
with
06:13
more
06:13
coming,
06:14
if
06:14
you
06:14
add
06:14
to
06:14
that
06:15
the
06:15
20
06:16
or
06:16
more
06:17
FFG
06:17
Xis
06:18
and
06:18
that's
06:18
obviously
06:18
well
06:19
over
06:19
the
06:19
52
06:19
planned
06:20
according
06:20
to
06:20
2016.
06:21
Um,
06:22
assessment.
06:23
Um,
06:23
just
06:23
quickly
06:24
we
06:25
reported
06:26
on
06:26
the
06:26
cancellation
06:27
of
06:27
the
06:28
Harry
06:28
s
06:28
Truman
06:28
midlife
06:29
refueling
06:30
program.
06:31
I'm
06:31
good.
06:31
Said
06:31
this
06:31
is
06:32
a
06:32
hard
06:32
trade
06:32
off.
06:33
Um,
06:33
but
06:33
a
06:34
necessary
06:34
one,
06:34
he
06:34
said,
06:35
how's
06:35
officials?
06:35
Obviously,
06:36
as
06:36
we
06:36
expected,
06:37
criticized
06:37
this
06:37
move
06:38
a
06:38
saying,
06:38
it
06:39
will
06:39
make
06:39
the
06:39
carer
06:39
shortfall
06:39
worse.
06:40
Saving
06:40
only
06:41
17
06:41
million
06:42
while
06:42
wasting
06:42
a
06:42
cool
06:42
500
06:43
million
06:44
spent
06:44
a
06:44
new
06:44
reactor
06:45
cause
06:45
for
06:45
the
06:45
carrier.
06:46
Cool.
06:47
500
06:48
million.
06:48
Yup.
06:49
Yup.
06:49
So
06:50
that's
06:50
on
06:50
schedule.
06:51
What,
06:51
what's
06:51
falling
06:52
behind
06:52
Richard?
06:54
Well
06:55
at
06:55
the
06:55
risk
06:56
of
06:56
falling
06:56
behind
06:56
possibly,
06:57
um,
06:58
are
06:58
some
06:59
crucial
07:00
submarine
07:00
programs
07:01
for
07:01
the
07:01
UK
07:02
and
07:02
the
07:02
U
07:02
s
07:03
um,
07:03
I've
07:04
been
07:04
looking
07:04
into
07:05
submarine
07:05
contract
07:05
announcements
07:06
in
07:06
March.
07:08
I'm
07:08
just
07:08
a
07:08
couple
07:08
of
07:08
fingers
07:08
here.
07:09
On
07:09
the
07:09
18th
07:10
of
07:10
March,
07:10
general
07:10
dynamics
07:11
electric
07:11
boat
07:11
was
07:11
awarded
07:12
2
07:12
billion
07:12
modification
07:13
to
07:14
a
07:14
previously
07:14
awarded
07:15
contract.
07:15
This
07:15
is
07:15
for
07:15
the
07:15
Virginia
07:16
class
07:16
nuclear
07:17
sub
07:17
program.
07:18
12th
07:18
of
07:18
March,
07:19
Northrop
07:19
Grumman
07:20
Marine
07:20
Systems
07:20
were
07:20
awarded
07:20
the
07:20
$273
07:22
million
07:22
contract
07:23
to
07:23
support
07:23
development
07:24
of
07:24
the
07:24
common
07:25
missile
07:25
compartment.
07:26
Now
07:26
the
07:27
common
07:27
missile
07:27
compartment
07:28
is
07:28
a
07:28
joint
07:28
program
07:29
being
07:29
developed
07:30
by
07:30
the
07:30
U
07:30
s
07:30
with
07:31
UK
07:31
support
07:32
to
07:32
how's
07:32
ICBM
07:33
for
07:33
the
07:34
ss
07:34
be
07:34
ends.
07:35
Now
07:35
I
07:36
spoke
07:36
with
07:37
uh,
07:37
geist
07:37
it,
07:37
who
07:38
is
07:38
president
07:39
of
07:39
the
07:39
u
07:39
s
07:39
based
07:41
Naval
07:41
Advisory
07:41
Company,
07:41
Ami
07:42
International.
07:42
And
07:43
he
07:43
said,
07:43
and
07:43
he
07:43
stated
07:44
indeed,
07:45
that
07:45
General
07:46
Dynamics
07:46
and
07:46
others
07:46
have
07:46
been
07:46
asked
07:46
to
07:47
assure
07:47
that
07:47
this
07:47
program
07:48
stays
07:48
on
07:49
schedule,
07:49
which
07:49
is
07:50
why
07:50
funding
07:50
is
07:51
being
07:51
made
07:51
readily
07:51
available.
07:52
Um,
07:53
the
07:53
UK,
07:53
as
07:54
I
07:54
said,
07:54
uh,
07:55
is
07:55
contributing
07:56
to
07:56
the
07:57
common
07:57
Misael
07:57
compartment
07:59
in
07:59
the
07:59
latest
07:59
contract
08:00
award
08:00
on
08:00
the
08:00
12th
08:01
of
08:01
March.
08:01
It
08:01
was
08:01
real
08:01
that
08:02
they
08:02
will
08:02
contribute
08:02
about
08:03
10%
08:04
of
08:04
the
08:05
funds
08:05
for
08:05
this
08:06
and
08:06
indeed
08:07
stitch
08:07
said
08:07
that
08:07
UK
08:08
funding
08:08
for
08:08
the
08:08
CMC
08:09
actually
08:09
precedes
08:10
us
08:10
funding
08:11
by
08:11
about
08:12
three
08:12
years,
08:12
which
08:12
he
08:12
said
08:13
has
08:13
been
08:13
a
08:13
great
08:14
help
08:14
in
08:14
getting
08:14
that
08:14
program
08:15
up
08:15
and
08:15
running.
08:17
I
08:17
believe
08:18
we're
08:18
going
08:18
to
08:18
be
08:18
covering
08:18
a
08:18
bit
08:19
of
08:19
rotary
08:19
wing
08:20
unmanned
08:21
and
08:21
fast
08:22
jets.
08:23
Tim,
08:24
what,
08:24
what
08:24
can
08:24
you
08:24
share
08:25
with
08:25
me
08:25
today?
08:27  Speaker 6
Yes,
08:27
so
08:27
one
08:27
of
08:27
the
08:28
man's
08:28
stories
08:28
I
08:28
was
08:28
looking
08:29
at,
08:29
uh,
08:29
this
08:30
week,
08:30
uh,
08:30
was
08:31
Arbus
08:31
developing
08:33
further
08:33
develop
08:33
and
08:33
their
08:34
mom,
08:34
uh,
08:34
manned
08:35
unmanned
08:35
teaming
08:35
programs.
08:37
Um,
08:37
so
08:37
they're,
08:37
they're
08:38
looking
08:38
at
08:38
the
08:38
fact
08:38
that
08:38
lead
08:38
to
08:39
fill,
08:39
uh,
08:40
uh,
08:40
an
08:40
unmanned
08:41
partner
08:41
gap
08:42
and
08:42
for
08:43
the
08:43
next
08:43
few
08:43
years
08:43
of
08:43
their,
08:43
of
08:44
their
08:44
Monte,
08:45
um,
08:45
program.
08:46
Um,
08:46
and
08:46
that
08:46
follows
08:47
on
08:47
from
08:48
some
08:48
work
08:48
last
08:49
year
08:49
to
08:49
involve
08:49
in
08:49
the
08:49
h
08:50
one,
08:50
four,
08:50
five
08:50
and
08:51
the,
08:51
uh,
08:51
s
08:51
100
08:52
count
08:52
copter.
08:53  Speaker 4
Okay.
08:53
You
08:53
said
08:54
a
08:54
gap
08:54
there.
08:54
So
08:55
is
08:55
there
08:55
a
08:55
challenge
08:56  Speaker 6
finding
08:56
a
08:56
partner?
08:57
Yes.
08:58
So
08:58
going
08:58
back
08:59
to,
08:59
to
08:59
the
08:59
first
09:00
Campion
09:00
and
09:01
with
09:01
the
09:01
h
09:01
one
09:01
four,
09:01
five,
09:02
next
09:02
100
09:02
count
09:03
capture.
09:04
Um,
09:04
the
09:04
Airbus
09:04
and
09:04
Airbus
09:05
a
09:05
spokesperson
09:06
had
09:06
mentioned
09:06
to
09:06
me
09:06
that,
09:07
um,
09:08
prior
09:09
to,
09:09
um,
09:10
eventually
09:11
collaborate
09:11
and
09:11
uh,
09:12
with
09:12
uh,
09:12
Sheba
09:13
that,
09:14
um,
09:14
they
09:14
had,
09:15
they
09:15
had
09:16
really
09:16
been
09:16
looking
09:17
to
09:18
partner
09:18
with
09:19
someone
09:19
and
09:21
are
09:21
rather
09:21
I
09:22
I
09:22
you
09:22
a
09:23
s
09:24
um,
09:24
that
09:24
has,
09:24
that
09:24
can
09:25
mean
09:25
10
09:25
speed
09:26
and
09:26
endurance
09:26
with
09:26
the
09:26
h
09:27
one
09:27
four,
09:27
five,
09:27
as
09:27
well
09:27
as
09:28
having
09:28
a
09:28
sizable
09:28
payload.
09:29
And
09:29
that
09:30
actually
09:30
takes,
09:30
you'd
09:31
be
09:31
surprised,
09:31
but
09:31
that
09:31
actually
09:32
takes
09:32
quite
09:32
a
09:32
bit
09:32
of
09:32
time.
09:33
Um,
09:33
he
09:34
had
09:34
Manson
09:34
that,
09:34
um,
09:35
that
09:36
was
09:36
actually
09:37
more
09:37
of
09:37
a
09:37
of
09:38
an
09:38
issue
09:38
then
09:38
and
09:39
fill
09:39
a
09:39
night,
09:39
kind
09:39
of
09:40
three
09:40
or
09:40
four
09:40
months
09:40
of
09:40
paperwork.
09:41
Right.
09:43
Um,
09:44
but
09:44
back
09:45
to
09:45
really
09:45
the
09:45
story
09:46
at
09:46
hands
09:46
in
09:46
terms
09:47
of,
09:47
um,
09:48
hi,
09:48
hi,
09:48
our
09:48
bus
09:48
could
09:49
fill
09:49
list
09:49
this
09:49
gap.
09:50
Um,
09:51
they
09:51
say
09:51
that
09:51
potentially
09:52
the
09:52
France
09:53
and
09:53
German
09:53
armed
09:53
forces.
09:54
Yeah.
09:55
So
09:56
they
09:56
potentially
09:57
France,
09:57
France
09:58
or
09:58
Germany
09:58
could
09:58
be
09:58
involved
09:59
in
09:59
it.
09:59
And
09:59
this,
10:00
uh,
10:00
second
10:01
fetus,
10:02
um,
10:02
that'll
10:03
take
10:03
place
10:04
next
10:04
year.
10:05
Um,
10:05
and
10:05
as
10:05
we
10:05
know,
10:06
really
10:06
in
10:07
terms
10:07
of,
10:07
um,
10:08
the
10:08
importance
10:09
of
10:09
of
10:09
mom
10:09
t
10:10
and
10:11
for
10:11
a
10:11
military
10:12
operators
10:12
and
10:13
integrating
10:14
the
10:14
technologies,
10:15
um,
10:16
you
10:16
know,
10:16
it
10:16
really
10:16
assessed
10:17
with
10:17
situational
10:18
awareness
10:19
and
10:19
intelligence
10:19
gathering.
10:20
And
10:20
if,
10:20
and
10:21
you
10:21
know,
10:21
our
10:21
po
10:21
or
10:22
a
10:22
partial
10:22
periodically
10:24
see
10:24
easy
10:24
for
10:24
me
10:24
to
10:24
say
10:25
our
10:26
par
10:26
superiority.
10:28
Um,
10:28
and
10:28
I
10:28
suppose
10:29
that
10:29
may,
10:29
you
10:29
know,
10:30
if
10:30
you
10:30
are
10:30
able
10:31
to
10:31
apply
10:31
it
10:31
in
10:31
theater
10:32
and
10:32
you're
10:32
effectively
10:34
and
10:34
this
10:34
in
10:35
your
10:35
yourself
10:35
from,
10:36
um,
10:36
you
10:37
know,
10:37
frontline
10:37
activities,
10:38
um,
10:39
and
10:39
you
10:40
know,
10:40
through
10:40
choice
10:40
deployments
10:41
of,
10:41
of
10:41
drones
10:42
and
10:42
helicopter
10:43
operators,
10:43
you
10:43
know,
10:44
are
10:44
effectively
10:45
and,
10:47
uh,
10:47
less
10:48
involved
10:49
in
10:49
and
10:49
as
10:49
at
10:49
the
10:50
core
10:50
with
10:50
Venus
10:50
lesson.
10:52  Speaker 3
So
10:52
Sharon,
10:52
what
10:53
you
10:53
could
10:53
on
10:53
that
10:54
story,
10:54
Tim.
10:55
Um,
10:56
this
10:56
week
10:56
was
10:58
sobs,
10:58
annual
10:59
Griffin
10:59
briefing
11:00
and
11:00
executives.
11:01
They're
11:02
shed
11:02
the
11:03
SAB.
11:03
We'll
11:03
see
11:04
you
11:04
seeing
11:04
more
11:04
aircraft
11:05
flying,
11:05
including
11:06
the
11:07
sub
11:07
gripping
11:07
e
11:07
39
11:08
dash
11:09
aircraft
11:10
which
11:10
should
11:10
take
11:10
to
11:10
the
11:11
skies
11:11
before
11:11
the
11:12
summer.
11:13
Now
11:13
in
11:13
quarter
11:14
one
11:14
of
11:14
this
11:15
year,
11:15
Switzerland,
11:16
Finland
11:17
put
11:17
themselves
11:18
forward
11:19
for
11:21
their
11:21
fighter
11:21
jet
11:21
programs,
11:22
which
11:23
sob
11:23
submitted
11:24
the
11:25
grippin.
11:25
Now
11:26
Switzerland
11:26
once
11:27
a
11:27
2025
11:28
delivery
11:29
with
11:29
its
11:29
current
11:30
requested
11:31
around
11:31
30
11:32
to
11:32
40
11:33
aircraft
11:34
standup.
11:34
It's
11:34
fleet.
11:35
Now
11:35
what's
11:35
interesting
11:36
to
11:36
me
11:37
is
11:37
if
11:37
this,
11:37
these
11:38
two
11:38
countries
11:39
do
11:39
come
11:39
forward
11:40
and
11:41
opt
11:41
for
11:41
the
11:41
grip
11:42
and
11:42
then
11:42
on
11:43
sobs
11:43
plate
11:44
they
11:44
will
11:45
have
11:45
those
11:45
two
11:46
countries,
11:46
Sweden,
11:47
which
11:48
is
11:48
ordered
11:48
60
11:50
eat
11:50
barriers
11:50
as
11:51
well
11:51
as
11:51
Brazil's
11:52
36
11:53
a
11:54
craft
11:54
order,
11:54
which
11:55
is
11:55
a
11:55
mixture
11:55
of
11:56
28
11:57
he
11:57
models
11:57
and
11:58
eight
11:58
f
11:59
models
11:59
of
11:59
the
11:59
aircraft.
12:00
So
12:00
it's
12:00
going
12:00
to
12:01
be
12:01
if
12:01
successful
12:02
a
12:03
busy
12:03
manufacturing
12:04
lines.
12:04
So
12:05
I
12:05
did
12:05
probe
12:06
sub
12:06
on
12:07
this
12:07
and
12:08
Eddie
12:08
Della
12:08
Mot
12:09
head
12:09
of
12:09
business
12:10
unit
12:10
of
12:11
gripping
12:11
e
12:11
f
12:12
aeronautics
12:13
at
12:13
Saab
12:14
shed
12:14
that
12:15
we
12:15
are
12:15
now
12:15
building
12:16
an
12:16
infrastructure
12:17
that
12:17
will
12:17
give
12:17
us
12:17
a
12:17
capacity
12:18
of
12:18
24
12:19
aircraft
12:19
per
12:19
year
12:20
and
12:20
that
12:21
can
12:21
be
12:21
increased
12:22
if
12:22
needs
12:22
be.
12:23
And
12:23
there
12:23
are
12:23
more
12:23
production
12:24
orders.
12:25
Another
12:25
area
12:25
in
12:26
which
12:26
I
12:26
probed
12:27
sob
12:27
on
12:27
was
12:27
regarding
12:28
the
12:28
Brazilians
12:30
and
12:30
ordering
12:31
more
12:31
grippings.
12:32
Um,
12:33
they
12:33
wouldn't
12:33
go
12:34
into
12:34
this
12:34
anymore
12:34
because
12:35
they
12:35
obviously
12:35
want
12:35
to
12:35
get
12:36
on
12:36
with
12:36
the
12:36
order
12:36
that
12:36
they're
12:36
currently
12:37
delivering
12:37
on.
12:38
But
12:39
this
12:39
is
12:40
definitely
12:40
an
12:40
aircraft
12:41
we
12:41
might
12:42
hear
12:42
Moron
12:43
at
12:44
Lard,
12:44
which
12:44
takes
12:44
place
12:45
in
12:46
Rio
12:46
de
12:46
Janeiro
12:46
next
12:47
week.
12:47
Now,
12:47
as
12:47
you've
12:48
probably
12:48
heard,
12:49
the
12:49
land
12:49
domain
12:50
is
12:50
absent
12:51
from
12:51
our
12:52
news
12:53
roundup
12:53
today,
12:53
and
12:54
that's
12:54
because
12:54
currently
12:55
we've
12:55
sent
12:55
them
12:55
to
12:56
Huntsville,
12:56
Alabama
12:57
to
12:58
attend
12:58
a
12:58
USA
12:59
global
13:00
force.
13:01
Coming
13:01
up
13:01
next
13:02
though,
13:02
we
13:02
do
13:03
catch
13:03
up
13:03
with
13:04
Beth
13:04
on
13:04
her
13:05
recent
13:05
trip
13:06
with
13:06
Ryan
13:07
Mattel
13:07
in
13:07
South
13:08
Africa
13:08
before
13:09
she
13:09
traveled
13:09
on
13:10
to
13:10
Huntsville,
13:10
Alabama
13:11
for
13:11
a
13:12
USA.
13:21
I'm
13:21
here
13:21
with
13:22
Pete
13:23
Rollins,
13:23
the
13:23
account
13:23
director
13:24
here
13:24
at
13:25
Shepherd's
13:25
media.
13:26
So
13:27
Pete,
13:27
the
13:27
question
13:28
on
13:28
everyone's
13:29
lips
13:29
is,
13:29
what's
13:30
the
13:30
state
13:30
of
13:30
play
13:31
in
13:31
the
13:31
exciting
13:32
world
13:32
of
13:32
advertising
13:33
sales?
13:34  Speaker 7
Thanks.
13:35
What
13:36
were
13:36
we
13:36
saying?
13:36
Number
13:36
of
13:36
changes
13:37
over
13:37
the
13:38
last
13:38
decade
13:38
or
13:38
so
13:39
from
13:39
the
13:39
advent
13:40
of
13:40
kind
13:40
of
13:40
new
13:41
digital
13:41
advertising
13:42
solutions
13:42
outside
13:43
of
13:43
just
13:43
the
13:43
word,
13:44
get
13:44
a
13:44
wet
13:45
on
13:45
as
13:45
an
13:45
emails,
13:46
uh,
13:46
to
13:46
the
13:47
resurgence
13:47
of
13:47
print
13:47
advertising
13:48
and
13:48
mixed
13:49
multimedia
13:49
campaigns.
13:51
Um,
13:51
as
13:51
we
13:51
all
13:51
know,
13:51
we
13:52
live
13:52
in
13:52
an
13:52
increasingly
13:53
noisy
13:53
media
13:54
environment
13:54
where
13:55
content
13:55
is
13:55
king
13:55
and
13:56
the
13:56
quality
13:56
of
13:56
information
13:57
is
13:57
vital.
13:58
Um,
13:58
so
13:58
measured
13:59
advertising
14:00
within
14:00
trustworthy
14:01
news
14:01
channels
14:02
is
14:02
becoming
14:02
a
14:03
pretty
14:03
steadfast
14:04
part
14:04
of
14:04
most
14:04
marketing
14:05
campaigns.
14:06
Um,
14:07
against
14:07
that
14:07
backdrop.
14:09
Shepherds
14:09
portfolio
14:10
of
14:10
print
14:10
and
14:10
digital
14:10
products
14:11
provided
14:11
tangible
14:12
and
14:12
targeted
14:12
advertising
14:13
platform
14:13
to
14:14
niche
14:14
sectors
14:14
within
14:15
defense
14:15
and
14:15
aerospace.
14:17
Uh,
14:17
on
14:17
the
14:17
digital
14:18
side,
14:18
our
14:18
products
14:20
and
14:20
clients
14:21
value
14:21
the
14:21
comprehensive
14:22
analysis
14:22
we
14:23
provide
14:24
after
14:24
any
14:24
digital
14:24
advertising
14:25
delivery.
14:26
Uh,
14:26
this
14:26
kind
14:26
of
14:26
allows
14:27
them
14:27
to
14:27
measure
14:27
Roi
14:28
and
14:28
campaign
14:28
effectiveness.
14:29  Speaker 3
But
14:29
against
14:30
that
14:30
digital
14:30
delivery,
14:31
there's
14:31
still
14:32
a
14:32
place
14:32
for
14:32
print
14:33
advertising,
14:33
right?
14:34  Speaker 7
Yeah,
14:34
that's
14:34
right.
14:35
Um,
14:35
our
14:35
established
14:36
print
14:36
products.
14:36
So
14:36
also
14:37
highlight
14:37
on
14:37
many
14:38
client
14:38
calendars,
14:39
especially
14:40
with
14:40
extensive
14:41
event
14:41
distribution
14:42
at
14:42
major
14:42
events
14:43
across
14:43
our
14:43
range
14:43
of
14:44
magazines.
14:44
And
14:44
I
14:45
knew
14:45
industry
14:45
guides,
14:46
which
14:46
are
14:46
well
14:47
recognized
14:47
and
14:47
sought
14:47
after.
14:49  Speaker 3
Well,
14:49
they
14:49
have
14:49
it.
14:49
If
14:50
you'd
14:50
like
14:50
to
14:50
hear
14:50
more
14:51
about
14:51
how
14:51
you
14:52
can
14:52
take
14:52
advantage
14:53
of
14:53
our
14:53
advertising
14:54
platforms,
14:55
then
14:55
please
14:55
do
14:55
visit
14:56
the
14:56
advertising
14:57
section
14:58
of
14:58
our
14:59
website.
15:02
I
15:02
am
15:02
now
15:02
joined
15:03
by
15:03
Beth
15:04
mandrill.
15:05
Shepherd
15:05
media
15:05
is
15:05
deputy
15:06
land
15:06
editor.
15:07
Beth,
15:07
you're
15:07
on
15:07
the
15:08
road
15:08
again.
15:09  Speaker 8
Uh,
15:09
yeah.
15:10
Helen,
15:10
I'm
15:11
uh,
15:11
currently
15:11
in
15:11
America,
15:12
but
15:12
I'm
15:12
just
15:12
off
15:12
the
15:12
back