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episode 13: NATO's electronic warfare challenge, the latest from Asia-Pacific and the pervasive cyber threat. [transcript]


In this week’s episode of the Weekly Defence Podcast, we cover the latest defence news from the Asia-Pacific region, talk to Muddy Watters about EW Europe, and hear from Nammo in our Industry Voice segment. 

  • News Round Up (01:04)

Land reporter Kate Martyr starts off this week’s News Round by covering the European Defence Agency’s continuing efforts to develop a hybrid drive train. Jack Richardson outlines the news regarding the UK MoD launching a competition to examine the utility of UUVs for the Royal Navy, as well as the continuing development of UK and India security ties. Continuing the maritime coverage, sea domain editor Richard Thomas highlights the upgraded A26 submarines bound for service with the Swedish Royal Navy while Helen Haxell covers the latest on the Pentagon's FARA programme.

Finland joins EDA’s HybriDT project
UK explores potential for large unmanned naval submersible
UK and India deepen defence industrial ties
While Gotland slips out, A26 efforts ramp up
Quad A 2019: AVX and L3T show FARA hand
Quad A 2019: MD Helicopters Swift disqualified from FARA

  • Asia-Pacific defence developments (11:22)

Richard Thomas sits down with Gordon Arthur to talk about the host of defence exhibitions he has attended across the Asia-Pacific region of late, and the news that has emerged from them.

  • Interview – Muddy Watters, EW Europe (20:44)

Helen Haxell has a conversation with Muddy Watters, AOC President, about interoperability and NATO’s role in combating the threat posed by the electronic warfare capabilities of Russia, as well as the EW Europe show. 

  • Industry Voice (33:04)

In this week’s Industry Voice, our VP of content Tony Skinner and Endre Lunde, SVP of Communications for Nammo, discuss cybersecurity and implication for the defence sector.

Music and sound mixing provided by Fred Prest


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 2019-04-19  41m
 
 
00:11  Speaker 1
Welcome
00:12
to
00:12
the
00:12
weekly
00:12
defense
00:13
podcast,
00:14
the
00:14
show
00:15
about
00:15
defense
00:15
procurement,
00:16
a
00:17
military
00:17
technology
00:18
we
00:19
have
00:19
brought
00:19
to
00:19
you
00:19
in
00:20
partnership
00:20
with
00:21
our
00:21
sponsor
00:22
Namo.
00:22
I'm
00:23
your
00:23
host,
00:24
Helen
00:24
Hacksaw
00:25
ad
00:25
domain
00:25
editor
00:26
here
00:26
at
00:27
shepherd
00:27
media.
00:27
Coming
00:28
to
00:28
you
00:29
from
00:29
a
00:29
sunny
00:30
west
00:30
London
00:32
on
00:32
the
00:32
show
00:32
this
00:33
week,
00:34
Richard
00:34
Thomas
00:34
talks
00:35
to
00:35
Gordon
00:36
Arthur
00:36
about
00:37
his
00:37
observations
00:38
regarding
00:39
the
00:39
various
00:39
events
00:40
that
00:40
he's
00:40
been
00:40
attending
00:41
recently
00:42
in
00:42
the
00:44
Asia
00:44
Pacific
00:44
region.
00:44
I
00:44
sit
00:45
down
00:45
and
00:45
talk
00:45
to
00:46
muddy
00:46
waters,
00:48
AOC
00:48
precedent
00:49
about
00:49
electronic
00:50
warfare
00:50
challenges
00:51
and
00:51
collaborative
00:52
approaches
00:53
in
00:53
Europe
00:54
and
00:54
beyond.
00:55
So
00:55
tackle
00:55
this
00:56
area
00:57
and
00:57
our
00:57
sponsor
00:58
nano
00:58
provides
00:59
this
01:00
week's
01:00
industry
01:00
voice
01:01
segment.
01:05  Speaker 2
But
01:05
first
01:05
our
01:06
weekly
01:06
news
01:06
roundup.
01:07
And
01:07
I'm
01:07
here
01:08
with
01:08
Richard
01:09
Thomas,
01:09
editor-in-chief
01:10
Ireland,
01:11
our
01:11
land
01:12
reporter
01:13
Kate
01:13
Marta.
01:14
Hi
01:14
there.
01:14
Helen
01:14
and
01:15
Jack
01:16
Richardson
01:16
asked
01:16
the
01:16
reporter,
01:17
I
01:17
haven't.
01:18
So
01:18
talk
01:18
about
01:19
what's
01:19
caught
01:19
their
01:20
eye
01:20
this
01:21
week.
01:22
Kate,
01:22
if
01:23
we
01:23
could
01:23
start
01:23
with
01:23
you
01:24
with
01:24
the
01:24
land
01:25
domain,
01:26
I
01:26
believe
01:26
you're
01:26
going
01:26
to
01:27
be
01:27
touching
01:27
on
01:27
European
01:28
countries
01:28
looking
01:29
to
01:29
hybrid
01:30
futures
01:31
for
01:31
military
01:31
vehicles.
01:33
Yes.
01:33
So
01:33
I
01:33
don't
01:33
hurry
01:33
for
01:34
maybe
01:34
a
01:34
hybrid
01:36
Tang
01:36
Carrillo
01:36
mission.
01:37
Light
01:37
protective
01:37
four
01:37
by
01:37
four
01:38
sounds
01:38
a
01:38
little
01:38
bit
01:38
strange
01:39
to
01:39
you.
01:40
Um,
01:40
but
01:40
that
01:40
was
01:40
actually
01:41
the
01:41
subject
01:41
of
01:42
a
01:42
collaborative
01:42
research
01:43
project
01:43
announced
01:43
by
01:44
the
01:45
European
01:45
Defense
01:45
Agency
01:45
this
01:46
week.
01:46
Right.
01:47
That
01:47
looking
01:47
into
01:48
this
01:48
a
01:48
hybrid
01:49
hybrid.
01:50
Then
01:50
again,
01:51
I'm
01:51
hybrid
01:52
drive
01:52
trains
01:52
for
01:53
military
01:53
purpose.
01:54
Um,
01:55
and
01:55
it's
01:55
basically
01:55
a
01:56
collaborative
01:56
project
01:56
between
01:57
led
01:58
actually
01:58
by
01:58
the
01:58
European
01:59
defense
02:00
agency,
02:00
but,
02:01
um,
02:01
between
02:01
several
02:01
different
02:02
European
02:02
countries.
02:02
So
02:03
you've
02:03
got
02:03
Germany
02:03
as
02:03
the
02:04
lead
02:04
nation
02:04
there
02:05
and
02:05
then
02:05
they
02:05
kind
02:06
of
02:06
operating
02:06
with
02:07
Austria,
02:07
Finland,
02:08
France,
02:08
Italy,
02:09
the
02:09
Netherlands,
02:10
uh,
02:10
Slovenia
02:10
and
02:11
Sweden
02:12
are
02:12
noticeably,
02:13
uh,
02:15
there's
02:15
no,
02:15
you
02:15
count
02:15
the
02:15
list,
02:16
uh,
02:16
Helen,
02:17
but,
02:17
um,
02:17
maybe
02:18
I
02:18
think
02:18
that
02:18
might
02:19
be
02:19
perhaps
02:19
to
02:19
do
02:20
with,
02:20
uh,
02:20
with
02:20
a
02:20
little
02:21
something
02:21
to
02:21
do
02:21
with
02:21
Brexit
02:22
and
02:22
other
02:22
B
02:23
word
02:24
again.
02:25
Um,
02:26
but
02:26
yeah,
02:26
so,
02:27
um,
02:27
the
02:27
plan
02:28
there
02:28
is
02:28
her
02:28
basic
02:29
be
02:29
like
02:29
lift,
02:30
um,
02:30
look
02:31
into
02:31
how
02:31
they
02:31
might
02:31
lift
02:32
a
02:32
commercial
02:32
technology
02:34
and
02:34
use
02:34
that
02:34
in
02:34
military
02:34
vehicles.
02:35
Um,
02:36
and
02:36
also
02:36
examining
02:37
the
02:37
pros
02:37
and
02:37
cons
02:38
are
02:38
of
02:38
new
02:38
technology
02:39
as
02:39
well,
02:39
and
02:39
sort
02:39
of
02:39
how
02:40
that
02:40
might
02:41
play
02:41
out
02:42
as
02:42
well
02:42
in
02:42
miniature
02:42
vehicles.
02:43
Are
02:43
there
02:43
any
02:43
other
02:44
driving
02:44
factors
02:45
or
02:45
are
02:45
they
02:45
the
02:45
main
02:45
kind
02:46
of
02:47
ones?
02:47
Yep.
02:47
So
02:48
in
02:48
terms
02:48
of,
02:49
uh,
02:49
the
02:49
reasons
02:50
given
02:50
by
02:50
the
02:50
European
02:51
defense
02:51
agents.
02:52
Yeah.
02:52
They
02:52
said
02:52
that
02:52
was
02:53
actually
02:53
driven
02:54
by
02:54
a
02:54
need
02:54
to
02:54
reduce
02:55
emissions
02:55
from
02:56
the,
02:56
uh,
02:56
from
02:56
traffic
02:57
and
02:57
even
02:58
looking
02:58
into
02:59
certain
02:59
types
02:59
of
03:00  Speaker 3
vehicle
03:00
engines
03:00
as
03:01
well.
03:01
Right.
03:01
Well
03:01
I
03:02
guess
03:02
that
03:02
makes
03:02
sense.
03:03
I
03:03
mean
03:03
that
03:03
sounds
03:04
pretty
03:04
commonplace
03:05
throughout
03:05
industry
03:06
industry
03:07
and
03:07
domains
03:07
as
03:07
well.
03:08
I
03:08
mean,
03:08
on
03:08
the,
03:09
on
03:09
the
03:09
naval
03:09
side
03:09
of
03:09
things,
03:10
um,
03:11
naval
03:11
operators
03:11
are
03:11
for,
03:12
for
03:12
for
03:12
a
03:13
number
03:13
of
03:13
years
03:13
been
03:13
been
03:13
using
03:14
hybrid
03:14
propulsion
03:15
systems
03:16
some
03:16
very
03:16
well.
03:17
There's
03:17
less,
03:17
well
03:18
let's,
03:18
let's
03:18
not
03:18
mention
03:18
the
03:18
type
03:19
45
03:19
and
03:19
the,
03:19
the,
03:20
uh,
03:20
the
03:21
Royal
03:21
Navy.
03:22
Okay.
03:24
But
03:24
yeah,
03:24
obviously
03:24
it's
03:25
a
03:26
useful
03:26
capability
03:27
that
03:27
will
03:27
help
03:27
reduce
03:28
costs,
03:28
but
03:28
I
03:28
think
03:29
key
03:29
is
03:30
key
03:30
is
03:30
probably
03:31
ensuring
03:31
that
03:32
the
03:32
system
03:32
that
03:32
is
03:32
produced
03:33
is,
03:34
is
03:34
workable,
03:35
is
03:35
able
03:35
to
03:35
deliver
03:36
a
03:36
platform
03:36
at
03:37
a
03:37
given
03:37
place
03:37
at
03:37
a
03:37
given
03:38
time
03:38
because
03:38
they're
03:38
not
03:39
pretty,
03:39
it
03:39
doesn't
03:39
want
03:39
to
03:39
have
03:39
new
03:40
tech
03:41
is
03:41
that
03:41
doesn't
03:41
work
03:43
to
03:43
the
03:44
sea
03:44
desk.
03:44
Jack,
03:44
I
03:44
believe
03:45
you're
03:45
going
03:45
to
03:45
update
03:46
us
03:46
on
03:46
some
03:47
underwater
03:48
vehicle
03:48
programs
03:49
and
03:49
submarine
03:50
updates.
03:50
That's
03:51
right.
03:51
Her.
03:51
And
03:51
yet
03:51
there's
03:52
the
03:52
UK
03:53
Ministry
03:54
of
03:54
Defense
03:54
announced
03:54
a
03:54
competition
03:55
yesterday
03:56
too
03:56
for
03:56
a
03:57
existing
03:58
underwater
03:59
unmanned
03:59
underwater
04:00
vehicle
04:00
to
04:00
be
04:01
it
04:01
to
04:01
be
04:01
a
04:02
modifies
04:03
to
04:03
experiments
04:04
on
04:04
how
04:05
vessels
04:05
like
04:05
this
04:06
could
04:06
meet
04:06
UK
04:06
requirements
04:07
in
04:07
the
04:07
future.
04:08
So
04:08
this
04:08
is
04:08
a
04:10
3.5
04:10
million
04:10
pound
04:10
program
04:11
that's
04:12
three
04:12
point
04:12
$7
04:13
million
04:14
and
04:15
the
04:15
deadline
04:15
for
04:17
submission
04:18
is
04:18
the
04:19
11th
04:20
of
04:20
June
04:20
this
04:20
year.
04:20
And
04:21
Cmo
04:21
d
04:22
lists
04:22
key
04:22
roles
04:23
as
04:24
anti
04:24
submarine
04:25
warfare.
04:25
So
04:25
providing
04:26
a
04:26
barrier
04:26
for
04:26
submarines,
04:27
underwater
04:28
maritime
04:29
security
04:29
in
04:30
the
04:30
surveillance
04:30
role
04:31
and
04:31
delivering
04:32
key
04:32
payloads
04:33
underwater.
04:33
I
04:34
mean
04:34
the
04:34
money
04:34
is,
04:34
it's,
04:34
and
04:35
you
04:35
just
04:35
mentioned
04:35
there
04:35
seems
04:36
like
04:36
a
04:36
drop
04:36
in
04:36
the
04:36
ocean
04:36
compared
04:37
to
04:37
what
04:37
the
04:37
u
04:37
s
04:37
is
04:38
putting
04:38
forward
04:38
with
04:38
it,
04:38
sort
04:38
of
04:39
Orca
04:39
GoPros
04:40
programs
04:40
and
04:40
things
04:41
like
04:41
that.
04:41
So
04:41
do
04:41
you
04:41
really
04:41
think
04:42
that
04:42
the
04:42
UK
04:42
law
04:43
or
04:43
it
04:44
or
04:44
it's
04:44
always
04:45
the
04:45
questions
04:45
is,
04:46
is
04:46
the
04:46
UK
04:46
actually
04:47
serious
04:47
about
04:47
integrating
04:48
some
04:48
kind
04:48
of
04:48
XL
04:49
UV
04:49
capability?
04:50
I
04:50
think
04:51
this
04:51
is,
04:51
I
04:51
think
04:51
at
04:51
this
04:52
stage,
04:52
Richard,
04:52
as
04:52
you,
04:52
as
04:53
you
04:53
say,
04:53
considering
04:53
the
04:53
amount
04:54
of
04:54
money
04:54
the
04:54
UK
04:54
is
04:55
putting
04:55
in
04:55
competitor
04:55
to
04:55
us,
04:56
this
04:56
is
04:56
just
04:57
stay.
04:57
Uh,
04:58
this
04:58
is
04:58
just
04:58
a
04:58
demonstration
04:59
phase
05:00
to
05:00
see
05:01
what's
05:01
out
05:01
there
05:01
in
05:01
terms
05:02
of
05:02
industry
05:02
and
05:02
what
05:02
can
05:03
be
05:03
delivered.
05:04
Because
05:04
as
05:04
we
05:04
know,
05:04
the
05:05
US
05:05
is
05:05
us
05:05
is
05:05
working
05:06
on
05:07
a
05:07
similar
05:07
thing
05:07
to
05:08
free
05:08
up.
05:08
It's
05:09
expensive
05:10
nuclear
05:10
power
05:10
submarines
05:11
from
05:11
the
05:11
dull,
05:11
dirty
05:12
and
05:12
dangerous
05:12
jobs
05:13
with
05:13
things
05:13
like
05:14
the
05:15
Boeing's
05:15
echo
05:15
voyager
05:15
and
05:16
look
05:16
at
05:16
Martin's
05:17
Orca
05:17
solution.
05:18
And
05:18
on
05:18
the,
05:19
on
05:19
the
05:19
surface
05:19
we've
05:19
got
05:20
a
05:20
deal
05:20
between
05:22
the
05:22
UK
05:22
and
05:22
India
05:22
to
05:23
sign
05:24
to,
05:24
to
05:25
cooperate
05:25
on
05:26
procurements
05:27
of
05:27
warships,
05:28
details
05:28
the
05:29
limits
05:29
at
05:29
the
05:29
moment.
05:29
But
05:30
it
05:30
comes
05:30
to
05:30
time
05:31
of
05:31
increased
05:31
cooperation
05:32
between
05:32
the
05:32
two
05:32
nations
05:33
and
05:33
in
05:33
the
05:34
c
05:34
domain
05:34
with
05:35
when
05:35
the
05:35
chief
05:36
of
05:36
the
05:36
Indian
05:36
native
05:36
is
05:37
to
05:37
Portsmith
05:37
last
05:38
month
05:38
it
05:38
was
05:38
suggested
05:39
that
05:39
one
05:39
of
05:39
the
05:40
Royal
05:40
Navy's
05:40
type
05:40
31
05:41
forgets
05:41
could
05:41
be
05:41
based
05:41
in
05:42
India
05:42
to
05:43
increased
05:43
presence
05:43
in
05:43
the
05:43
region.
05:44
And,
05:45
but
05:45
one
05:45
of
05:45
the
05:46
key
05:46
key,
05:47
uh,
05:47
area
05:48
of
05:48
speculation
05:48
at
05:48
the
05:48
moment
05:49
is
05:49
that
05:50
the
05:50
Queen
05:51
Elizabeth
05:51
class
05:51
carrier
05:52
where
05:52
this
05:52
meeting
05:52
took
05:52
place
05:53
could
05:54
be
05:54
the
05:55
basis
05:55
for
05:56
India's
05:56
ins
05:57
Shao
05:57
a
05:57
d
05:58
follow
05:58
one
05:58
aircraft
05:59
carrier
05:59
from
05:59
the
05:59
INS
06:00
fit
06:00
quinze
06:00
yeah.
06:00
The,
06:01
the
06:01
QE
06:01
design
06:02
would
06:02
have
06:02
to
06:02
be
06:03
adapted
06:03
quite
06:03
significantly
06:03
for
06:04
for
06:04
Indian
06:04
navy
06:04
use
06:04
wouldn't
06:05
it?
06:05
It
06:05
would,
06:05
yeah.
06:07
The
06:07
Royal
06:07
Navy,
06:07
um,
06:07
as
06:07
we
06:08
well
06:08
know
06:08
looks
06:08
at
06:08
having
06:09
a
06:09
conventional,
06:10
a
06:10
cutter
06:11
bar
06:11
layouts
06:12
with
06:12
cut
06:13
Paulson's
06:13
of
06:14
as
06:14
to
06:14
why
06:14
as
06:14
to
06:14
launch
06:14
and
06:14
recover
06:15
aircraft,
06:15
which
06:15
of
06:16
course
06:16
gives
06:16
them
06:17
bigger,
06:18
a
06:18
bigger
06:18
capacity
06:19
and
06:19
greater
06:19
range.
06:20
So
06:21
yes,
06:21
India
06:21
would
06:22
have
06:22
to
06:22
modify
06:23
it
06:23
ships
06:23
from
06:23
the
06:24
current
06:24
Stovall
06:24
configuration,
06:26
particularly
06:27
if
06:27
as
06:27
as
06:28
jested
06:28
they
06:28
want
06:28
to
06:28
operate
06:29
the
06:29
emails
06:30
at
06:30
at
06:31
Trevecca
06:31
six
06:31
system
06:31
from
06:31
general
06:32
dynamics.
06:32
Yeah.
06:33
Good
06:33
luck
06:33
with
06:33
that.
06:33
Okay.
06:34
Um,
06:34
I'm
06:34
just
06:34
going
06:34
to
06:35
jump
06:35
in
06:35
quickly
06:35
if
06:35
I
06:35
can
06:36
mention
06:36
a
06:36
quick
06:37
story.
06:38
I
06:38
want
06:39
to
06:39
dive
06:39
in
06:39
some
06:39
submarine
06:40
news.
06:41
So
06:41
I've
06:41
been
06:42
on
06:42
holiday
06:42
for
06:42
the
06:42
past
06:42
few
06:42
days,
06:42
but
06:43
I've
06:43
come
06:43
back
06:43
and
06:43
I
06:44
am
06:44
eager
06:44
to
06:44
write
06:44
some
06:44
stories
06:45
and
06:45
I
06:45
have
06:45
written
06:45
some
06:45
stories.
06:46
We've
06:46
got
06:46
a,
06:46
a
06:47
quick
06:47
update
06:47
on
06:47
the
06:48
eight
06:48
26
06:49
program,
06:49
which
06:49
obviously
06:50
being
06:51
developed
06:51
and
06:52
built
06:52
by
06:52
sub
06:52
Cockins.
06:53
So
06:54
Hiv
06:54
Scotland,
06:55
that
06:55
is,
06:56
that's
06:56
an
06:57
inservice
06:57
or
06:58
we'll
06:58
be
06:58
backing
06:58
service
06:58
with
07:00
the
07:00
Royal
07:00
Swedish
07:00
Navy's
07:00
undergoing
07:00
sea
07:00
trials.
07:01
Continues
07:02
it.
07:02
Sea
07:02
trials
07:02
after
07:03
completing
07:03
a
07:04
modification
07:04
and
07:04
upgrade
07:05
program
07:06
from
07:06
sub.
07:07
Basically
07:07
the
07:08
Gotland
07:08
is
07:08
integrating
07:08
as
07:09
we
07:09
know,
07:09
a
07:09
number
07:09
of
07:09
technologies
07:10
that
07:10
will
07:10
be
07:10
used
07:10
on
07:11
the
07:11
26
07:11
is
07:12
um,
07:12
such
07:13
as
07:13
AIP,
07:13
such
07:14
as
07:14
optronic
07:15
mess
07:15
and
07:15
things
07:15
like
07:15
that.
07:15
So
07:16
the
07:16
success
07:16
of
07:16
the
07:17
Gotlin
07:17
successful
07:18
reintegration
07:20
into
07:20
the
07:20
service,
07:21
um,
07:21
will
07:21
be,
07:22
um,
07:22
a
07:22
signifier
07:22
for
07:23
how
07:23
well
07:23
developed
07:24
the
07:24
26
07:25
is
07:25
just
07:25
quickly
07:26
on
07:26
that,
07:26
Richard,
07:26
what's
07:27
up
07:27
Tonto
07:27
metric?
07:30
Optronic
07:30
mast
07:30
is,
07:31
um,
07:31
imagine
07:33
back
07:33
in
07:34
the
07:34
days
07:34
of
07:34
Das
07:34
boots
07:34
where
07:35
you
07:35
have
07:35
um,
07:36
in
07:36
mechanical
07:37
I
07:37
guess
07:38
line
07:38
of
07:38
sight
07:38
to
07:38
the
07:39
surface.
07:40
Periscope
07:40
like
07:40
a
07:41
periscope.
07:41
Exactly.
07:42
So
07:42
what
07:42
you
07:43
have
07:43
now,
07:43
um,
07:44
the
07:44
Royal
07:44
Navy,
07:44
the
07:45
US
07:45
Navy,
07:45
others
07:45
are
07:45
using
07:46
these
07:46
kinds
07:46
of
07:46
systems
07:47
is
07:47
you
07:47
have
07:47
a
07:48
mass
07:48
system
07:49
which
07:49
will
07:49
penetrate
07:49
the
07:50
surface
07:50
of
07:50
the
07:51
water.
07:51
Briefly
07:52
take
07:52
a
07:52
number
07:52
of
07:53
different
07:53
images,
07:53
different
07:54
senses,
07:54
different
07:54
videos,
07:55
and
07:55
then
07:55
you
07:55
can
07:55
drop
07:55
down
07:55
a
07:55
surface
07:56
and
07:56
allow
07:57
the
07:57
crew
07:57
to,
07:57
um,
07:58
investigate,
07:59
investigate
07:59
and
08:00
examine
08:00
the
08:00
pictures,
08:01
uh,
08:01
in
08:02
depth
08:02
at
08:02
their
08:02
leisure.
08:03
And
08:03
this
08:04
is
08:04
all
08:04
state
08:04
and
08:05
there
08:05
were
08:05
other
08:05
capabilities
08:06
being
08:06
a
08:06
good,
08:07
it's
08:07
going
08:07
to
08:07
be
08:08
forced
08:08
into
08:08
the
08:08
806
08:09
as
08:09
well
08:09
as
08:09
we
08:09
understand
08:09
this.
08:10
Yeah.
08:10
Just
08:10
a
08:10
quickly
08:11
the
08:11
AIP,
08:12
the
08:12
air
08:12
independent
08:13
propulsion,
08:14
um,
08:14
basically
08:15
allows
08:15
these,
08:16
these
08:16
convention
08:17
powered
08:17
subs
08:18
to
08:19
be
08:19
under
08:20
water
08:21
out
08:21
and
08:21
operations
08:21
for
08:22
far
08:22
longer
08:22
period
08:23
of
08:23
time
08:23
and
08:24
the
08:24
nuclear
08:24
power
08:24
counterparts
08:25
would
08:25
be.
08:25
So
08:26
a
08:26
key
08:26
improvement
08:27
there.
08:27
Okay.
08:29
Helen,
08:30
I
08:30
heard,
08:31
I
08:31
had
08:31
a
08:32
room
08:32
that
08:32
you're
08:32
going
08:32
to
08:32
talk
08:32
about
08:32
something
08:33
called
08:33
Farrah,
08:34
so
08:34
please
08:34
go
08:34
for
08:34
it.
08:35  Speaker 1
And
08:35
I
08:36
are
08:36
delighted
08:36
to
08:37
hear
08:37
more
08:37
about
08:37
far
08:38
adventures.
08:39
So
08:39
cheeky
08:40
to
08:40
me.
08:41
Um,
08:41
our
08:42
airports
08:42
are
08:42
to,
08:42
Martin
08:43
has
08:43
been
08:43
working
08:44
tirelessly
08:45
at
08:45
the
08:46
halls
08:46
of
08:46
core
08:46
day
08:47
in
08:47
Nashville
08:47
and
08:48
he's
08:48
been
08:48
getting
08:49
into
08:49
the
08:49
meat
08:50
of
08:50
the
08:50
forthcoming
08:52
US
08:52
army.
08:52
Future
08:53
attack,
08:54
rec
08:55
gone.
08:55
Richard,
08:55
help
08:55
me
08:55
with
08:55
this
08:55
word.
08:56
I
08:56
can
08:56
never
08:56
say
08:56
it.
08:57
Wreck
08:57
recommends
08:58
reconnaissance
08:59
reconnaissance
09:00
aircraft
09:00
program.
09:01
So
09:01
we're
09:01
ahead
09:02
of
09:02
a
09:02
first
09:02
set
09:02
of
09:03
initial
09:03
design
09:04
re
09:04
review
09:04
contracts
09:05
which
09:06
are
09:06
being
09:06
issued
09:06
in
09:07
July.
09:08
The
09:08
joint
09:08
venture
09:08
between
09:09
AVX
09:10
aircraft
09:10
company
09:11
and
09:11
l
09:12
three
09:12
technologies
09:13
revealed
09:14
a
09:14
compound
09:15
coaxial
09:16
helicopter
09:16
design
09:17
proposal
09:17
for
09:18
this
09:18
US
09:18
army
09:19
competition.
09:20
It's
09:20
looking
09:20
to
09:21
be
09:21
a
09:21
single
09:22
engine
09:22
design
09:23
complete
09:24
with
09:24
a
09:24
wing
09:24
to
09:25
enhance
09:26
lift
09:26
for
09:26
high
09:26
speed
09:26
flight
09:27
and
09:28
what
09:28
also
09:28
feature
09:29
fly
09:29
by
09:29
wire
09:30
technology
09:30
and
09:31
a
09:31
set
09:31
of
09:31
ducted
09:33
fans.
09:33
Now
09:33
Tim
09:34
Martin
09:34
has
09:34
also
09:35
received
09:35
confirmation
09:36
whilst
09:36
in
09:37
Nashville
09:38
on
09:38
the
09:38
disqualification
09:39
of
09:40
MD
09:41
helicopters,
09:41
swift
09:41
demonstrator
09:42
from
09:43
this
09:43
competition
09:44
after
09:45
its
09:45
proposal.
09:46
I
09:46
like
09:46
the
09:46
word
09:46
disqualification.
09:47
Helen,
09:47
can
09:47
you
09:48
tell
09:48
me
09:48
more
09:48
on
09:48
that
09:48
one?
09:49
I'm
09:49
not
09:49
going
09:49
to
09:50
develop,
09:50
divulge
09:50
any
09:51
more
09:51
on
09:51
this
09:51
because
09:52
I
09:52
think
09:53
this
09:53
story
09:53
warrants
09:54
a
09:54
good
09:54
read
09:54
from
09:55
our
09:56
websites.
09:56
So
09:56
for
09:57
Tim
09:57
story
09:58
are
09:58
more
09:58
from
09:58
the
09:58
team
09:59
today.
09:59
Please
10:00
visit
10:00
our
10:00
website,
10:01
shepherd
10:01
media.com
10:03
coming
10:03
up
10:04
on
10:04
the
10:05
podcast,
10:05
muddy
10:05
waters
10:06
talks
10:06
to
10:06
me
10:07
about
10:08
eew,
10:08
Europe,
10:09
but
10:09
first
10:10
Richard
10:11
Catches
10:11
up
10:11
with
10:11
Gordon
10:12
author
10:12
who's
10:13
been
10:13
out
10:13
and
10:13
about
10:14
attending
10:15
a
10:15
variety
10:16
of
10:16
shows
10:16
in
10:16
the
10:18
Asia
10:18
Pacific
10:18
region.
10:24  Speaker 3
I'm
10:25
here
10:25
with
10:25
Richard
10:26
Thomas,
10:26
our
10:26
editor
10:27
in
10:27
chief.
10:28
Now
10:28
Richard,
10:28
I
10:29
understand
10:29
you've
10:29
got
10:29
a
10:29
very
10:30
special
10:30
offer
10:31
for
10:31
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10:31
listeners.
10:32
Yeah,
10:32
that's
10:32
right,
10:33
Helen.
10:33
Then
10:33
as
10:33
we,
10:33
as
10:34
we
10:34
all
10:34
know
10:35
nowadays,
10:35
journalism
10:36
comes
10:36
at
10:36
a
10:36
price
10:37
as
10:37
as
10:37
it
10:37
should
10:38
and
10:38
much
10:38
of
10:38
our
10:39
original
10:39
news
10:40
constant
10:40
is
10:40
only
10:40
available
10:40
to
10:41
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10:41
subscribers,
10:42
including
10:43
much
10:43
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10:43
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10:43
we
10:43
talk
10:43
about
10:44
on
10:44
this
10:44
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10:45
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10:46
We
10:46
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10:46
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10:46
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10:47
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10:59
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10:59
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10:59
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11:00
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11:00
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11:00
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11:01
Thanks
11:01
Richard.
11:02  Speaker 1
So
11:02
to
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11:23  Speaker 4
Gordon,
11:23
it's
11:23
been
11:23
a
11:24
while
11:24
since
11:24
we
11:24
last
11:25
managed
11:25
to
11:25
catch
11:26
up.
11:26
I
11:26
believe
11:26
it
11:26
was
11:26
after
11:27
Avalon.
11:28
I'm
11:28
fortunate
11:29
enough
11:29
to
11:29
be
11:30
here
11:30
in
11:30
Singapore,
11:32
the
11:32
Chang
11:32
Exhibition
11:32
Sensei.
11:32
We're
11:32
at
11:32
the
11:32
back
11:33
of
11:33
the,
11:33
uh,
11:33
unmanned
11:34
systems
11:34
Asia
11:34
event.
11:36
Um,
11:36
you've
11:36
been
11:36
busy
11:37
in
11:37
recent
11:38
weeks.
11:38
Uh,
11:39
what
11:39
sort
11:39
of
11:39
stood
11:40
out
11:40
for
11:40
you
11:40
in
11:40
terms
11:40
of
11:41
trips
11:41
or
11:41
events?
11:43
Well
11:43
last
11:43
week
11:43
I
11:43
was
11:43
at
11:44
Valpo
11:45
in
11:45
Singapore,
11:45
but
11:45
probably
11:46
the
11:46
standout
11:47
show
11:47
was
11:48
Lima
11:48
in
11:49
Langkawi
11:49
in
11:49
Malaysia,
11:50
which
11:51
was
11:51
the
11:52
week
11:52
before
11:52
that.
11:52
So
11:52
there
11:52
were
11:52
quite
11:52
a
11:52
few
11:53
interesting
11:53
things
11:54
to,
11:54
to
11:54
see
11:54
and
11:55
hear
11:55
that
11:55
show.
11:56
So
11:56
just
11:56
what
11:56
it
11:56
was
11:57
until,
11:57
I
11:57
mean
11:57
I'm,
11:57
I'm,
11:57
I'm
11:58
a
11:58
naval
11:58
guy
11:58
at
11:58
heart,
11:59
so
11:59
I'm
11:59
going
11:59
to
11:59
lead
11:59
off
12:00
there.
12:00
Anything,
12:01
anything
12:01
naval,
12:02
uh,
12:02
in
12:02
a
12:02
way,
12:03
yes,
12:03
there
12:03
was
12:03
some
12:04
neighborhood
12:04
news,
12:04
but
12:05
the,
12:05
the
12:05
biggest
12:05
news
12:05
was
12:06
the
12:06
fact
12:06
that
12:06
there
12:06
was
12:06
a
12:07
ship
12:07
that
12:07
wasn't
12:08
there,
12:08
that
12:08
should
12:08
have
12:08
been
12:08
there.
12:09
And
12:09
I'm
12:10
talking
12:10
about
12:10
the
12:11
literal
12:11
combat
12:12
ship,
12:13
which
12:13
is
12:14
a,
12:14
a
12:14
collaborative
12:15
effort
12:15
by
12:16
a
12:17
boost
12:17
dead
12:17
heavy
12:18
industries
12:18
corporation
12:19
in
12:19
Malaysia
12:19
with
12:19
next
12:21
or
12:21
France.
12:22
So
12:22
they're
12:23
actually
12:23
building
12:23
six
12:24
of
12:24
these
12:26
ships.
12:27
And
12:27
I
12:27
was
12:27
promised
12:28
two
12:28
years
12:28
ago
12:28
at
12:28
Lima
12:29
that
12:29
one
12:29
of
12:30
them
12:30
would
12:30
be
12:30
there
12:30
this
12:31
year
12:31
and
12:32
lo
12:32
and
12:32
behold,
12:33
it
12:33
wasn't.
12:34
So
12:35
I
12:35
spoke
12:35
to
12:36
them
12:36
and
12:36
ask
12:36
them
12:37
what
12:37
was
12:37
happening
12:37
with
12:37
the
12:38
program
12:39
and
12:40
they
12:40
were
12:40
very
12:40
reluctant
12:41
to
12:41
give
12:42
a
12:42
date
12:42
of
12:42
when
12:42
this
12:42
first
12:43
ship
12:43
should
12:44
be
12:44
ready.
12:45
Um,
12:45
but
12:45
it
12:45
could
12:46
be
12:46
next
12:46
year,
12:47
possibly
12:47
the
12:47
year
12:48
after
12:48
where
12:48
we're
12:48
not
12:48
exactly
12:49
sure.
12:49
But
12:50
one
12:50
thing
12:50
we
12:50
do
12:50
know
12:51
is
12:51
the
12:52
littoral
12:52
combat
12:52
ship
12:53
program
12:53
is
12:54
well
12:54
behind
12:55
schedule.
12:56
It
12:56
seems
12:56
to
12:56
be
12:56
issues
12:57
going
12:57
on
12:57
here.
12:58
Uh,
12:58
but
12:58
not
12:58
too
12:59
many
12:59
are
12:59
talking
12:59
about
13:00
it.
13:00
Malaysia
13:01
is
13:01
quite
13:01
active
13:01
in
13:02
terms
13:02
of
13:02
shipbuilding.
13:03
That's
13:03
not
13:03
the
13:03
only
13:03
program
13:04
he's
13:04
got
13:04
going
13:04
on.
13:05
So
13:05
it
13:05
was
13:05
only
13:05
the
13:05
news
13:06
that
13:06
we
13:06
can
13:06
talk
13:06
about.
13:07
Yes,
13:07
we
13:07
have
13:07
the
13:08
lateral
13:08
mission
13:09
ship
13:09
program.
13:09
So
13:10
originally
13:11
Malaysia
13:12
was
13:12
going
13:12
to
13:12
buy
13:13
four
13:13
of
13:14
these
13:14
ships
13:15
to
13:15
what
13:15
to
13:15
be
13:15
built
13:16
in
13:16
China
13:17
and
13:17
two,
13:17
which
13:18
we
13:18
built
13:18
a,
13:18
again
13:19
by
13:19
boosted
13:19
in
13:20
Malaysia,
13:21
but
13:21
we
13:21
learned,
13:22
um,
13:23
in
13:23
March,
13:24
uh,
13:25
that
13:26
two
13:26
of
13:26
them
13:27
are
13:27
not
13:27
going
13:27
to
13:27
be
13:27
built
13:27
in
13:28
Malaysia
13:28
anymore.
13:28
They're
13:28
actually
13:29
going
13:29
to
13:29
be
13:30
all
13:30
to
13:30
be
13:30
built
13:30
in
13:30
China.
13:31
So
13:32
again,
13:33
we're
13:33
not
13:33
exactly
13:33
sure
13:34
the
13:34
reason
13:34
why
13:35
this
13:35
is
13:35
so,
13:36
uh,
13:36
some
13:36
are
13:36
speculating
13:37
that
13:37
it's
13:39
due
13:39
to
13:39
money,
13:40
so
13:40
it's
13:40
cheaper
13:40
to
13:41
build
13:41
all
13:42
four
13:42
in
13:42
China
13:43
and
13:44
that
13:44
seems
13:44
to
13:44
be
13:44
what's
13:45
happening.
13:45
So
13:46
we
13:46
learned
13:46
this
13:46
from
13:47
a,
13:48
uh,
13:48
a
13:48
notice
13:48
on
13:48
the
13:49
stock
13:49
market
13:49
exchange
13:50
in
13:50
Malaysia.
13:51
Uh,
13:51
that
13:52
construction
13:52
has
13:53
actually
13:53
moved,
13:54
uh,
13:54
totally
13:55
to
13:55
China.
13:57
Is
13:57
that,
13:57
could
13:57
that
13:58
be
13:58
perceived
13:58
negatively
13:58
full
13:59
Malaysia
13:59
ship
13:59
building
14:00
industry
14:00
or
14:00
is
14:00
it
14:00
just
14:01
the
14:01
case
14:01
of
14:01
simply
14:02
saving
14:02
money
14:02
rather
14:02
than
14:03
the
14:03
lack
14:03
of
14:03
capability?
14:04
Well,
14:04
one
14:05
never
14:05
really
14:05
knows
14:06
when
14:06
it
14:06
comes
14:06
to
14:06
Malaysia.
14:07
Uh,
14:08
certainly
14:09
boosted
14:10
has
14:10
its
14:10
hands
14:10
full
14:11
hands
14:11
full
14:11
trying
14:11
to
14:12
get
14:12
the
14:13
littoral
14:13
combat
14:13
ships
14:14
done.
14:14
So
14:15
perhaps
14:15
it's
14:15
a
14:15
good
14:15
thing
14:16
that
14:16
the
14:16
Chinese
14:17
will
14:17
certainly
14:17
get
14:17
the
14:17
ships
14:17
done
14:18
quickly
14:19
and
14:19
on
14:19
time.
14:20
So
14:21
at
14:21
Richard,
14:21
one
14:21
other
14:22
area
14:23
that
14:23
we
14:23
should
14:23
mention
14:24
is
14:24
the
14:25
Malaysian
14:25
maritime
14:26
enforcement
14:27
agency.
14:28
So
14:28
the,
14:28
the
14:28
m
14:29
m
14:29
e
14:29
a
14:30
and
14:30
they
14:30
have
14:30
quite
14:30
a
14:30
bit
14:31
of
14:31
ship
14:31
building
14:31
going
14:31
on
14:32
at
14:32
the
14:32
moment
14:32
too.
14:33
So
14:33
one
14:33
class
14:34
of
14:34
ships,
14:34
it's
14:34
called
14:35
the
14:35
new
14:35
generation
14:36
patrol
14:36
craft.
14:37
So
14:37
this
14:38
is
14:38
a
14:39
set
14:39
of
14:39
six
14:40
vessels,
14:41
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