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episode 16: Quoting Shakespeare, IDEF coverage and Northrop Grumman’s autonomous design philosophy [transcript]


How are weaponised cranes aiding Turkey's insurgency fight? What’s the design philosophy behind industry’s development of autonomous aircraft? And why are IT companies making a play into the defence sector?

This week on the Weekly Defence Podcast, we cover the IDEF defence exhibition in Turkey, talk to Northrop Grumman’s Director of Strategy of Autonomous Systems Strategy and our sponsor Nammo features in our Industry Voice segment. 

  • News Roundup (01:02)

With the UK recently changing defence secretary following leaked plans to allow a Chinese company to build the UK’s 5G network, the team considers the implications.

At the Sea Air Space 2019 exhibition, it emerged that the US Navy is assessing a service life extension for its fleet of MH-60R/S Sea Hawks while the FAA is signing off on the TH-119’s IFR certification.

The team also covers India’s intention to purchase more Ka-31 airborne early warning helicopters, Romania’s consideration of the Puma IFV as an alternative to their Agilis project, the latest turnaround on the issue of the USS Harry S Truman and the shift in the UK’s budget for further Type 31e light frigates.

Sea-Air-Space 2019: USN faces balancing act over Sea Hawk's life
Sea-Air-Space 2019: FAA to sign off on TH-119 IFR certification
IMDEX Asia 2019: India seeks more Ka-31 AEW helicopters
Romania looks to buy the Puma IFV as Agilis project alternative
Sea-Air-Space 2019: US Navy defends USS Harry S Truman refuelling flip flop
UK MoD restates ‘average’ benchmark for Type 31e

  •  Event Attendance – IDEF Report (15:20)

Turkish companies were out in force at IDEF in Istanbul as the country moves quickly to develop its domestic defence industrial base.

Beth Maundrill and Kate Martyr were at the event and cover MPG’s heavily armoured 8x8 crane currently being delivered to the Turkish armed forces, before talking about the next-generation 155mm self-propelled howitzer which reportedly is set to begin live fire exercises.

IDEF 2019: Weaponised cranes to aid Turkey's insurgency fight
IDEF 2019: Next generation howitzer production on the horizon

  • Interview – Kristen Griffin, Director of Autonomous Systems Strategy, Northrop Grumman (25:01)

Richard Thomas, our editor-in-chief, met with Kristen Griffin, Director of Autonomous Systems Strategy at Northrop Grumman, to talk about the company’s autonomous aircraft, the design philosophy behind them and what we can expect to see in the future.

  • Industry Voice (35:25)

This week in our Industry Voice, Tim Martin, our senior reporter, is at Sea Air Space in Maryland, where he talks to the SVP of Communications for Nammo, Endre Lunde, about the various IT companies present and their influence on the defence sector.

Music and sound mixing provided by Fred Prest


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 2019-05-10  42m
 
 
00:11  Speaker 1
Welcome
00:11
to
00:11
the
00:12
weekly
00:12
defense
00:13
podcast,
00:13
the
00:14
show
00:14
about
00:15
defense
00:15
procurement,
00:16
how
00:16
military
00:16
technology
00:18
we
00:18
are
00:18
brought
00:18
to
00:19
you
00:19
in
00:19
partnership
00:20
with
00:20
our
00:20
sponsor
00:21
Namo.
00:22
I'm
00:22
your
00:22
host,
00:23
Helen
00:23
Hexcel,
00:24
air
00:24
domain
00:25
editor
00:25
here
00:26
at
00:26
shepherd
00:26
media.
00:27
Coming
00:28
to
00:28
you
00:28
from
00:29
a
00:29
rainy
00:30
west
00:30
London
00:32
on
00:32
the
00:32
show
00:32
this
00:33
week,
00:33
the
00:33
land
00:34
team
00:34
Beth
00:35
and
00:35
Kate
00:36
talk
00:36
on
00:36
I
00:37
death
00:37
in
00:37
Turkey
00:38
and
00:39
the
00:39
country's
00:39
current
00:40
and
00:40
future
00:41
land
00:41
program
00:41
requirements.
00:43
Richard
00:44
Thomas,
00:44
editor
00:44
and
00:45
chief
00:46
caught
00:46
up
00:46
with
00:46
Kristin
00:47
Griffin,
00:47
director
00:48
of
00:49
autonomous
00:49
strategy
00:50
development
00:50
at
00:51
Northrop
00:52
Grumman
00:52
and
00:52
talks
00:53
about
00:53
the
00:54
company's
00:54
UAV
00:54
projects
00:55
past
00:55
and
00:56
present.
00:57
And
00:57
I'll
00:57
sponsor
00:58
nemo
00:59
pro
00:59
fides,
00:59
this
01:00
week's
01:00
industry
01:01
voice
01:01
segment.
01:02
But
01:03
first
01:04
our
01:04
weekly
01:04
news
01:04
roundup
01:05
and
01:05
I'm
01:05
here
01:06
with
01:06
Richard
01:07
Thomas,
01:07
editor
01:08
in
01:08
chief
01:08
Oh
01:09
Helen
01:09
and
01:09
best
01:09
Maundrell
01:10
our
01:10
deputy
01:12
Lambda
01:12
Dita.
01:12
Hi
01:12
Evelyn.
01:13
To
01:13
talk
01:13
about
01:14
what's
01:14
caught
01:14
that
01:15
I
01:15
this
01:16
week,
01:16
but
01:17
before
01:17
we
01:17
get
01:17
started,
01:19
just
01:19
to
01:19
say
01:19
the
01:19
UK
01:20
government
01:20
has
01:20
seen
01:21
a
01:21
switchover
01:22
in
01:22
its
01:22
political
01:23
leadership.
01:23
Recently
01:24
with
01:25
Gavin
01:26
Williamson,
01:26
defense
01:26
secretary
01:27
ousted
01:28
by
01:28
the
01:28
British
01:28
prime
01:29
minister
01:30
over
01:30
allegedly
01:31
disclosing
01:31
plans
01:32
to
01:32
allow
01:33
a
01:33
Chinese
01:34
telecoms
01:34
company
01:35
to
01:35
help
01:35
build
01:36
the
01:37
Uks
01:37
five
01:37
g
01:38
network.
01:39
Now
01:39
Williamson
01:40
could
01:40
be
01:40
said
01:41
to
01:41
be
01:41
quite
01:41
liked
01:42
by
01:42
the
01:43
defense
01:43
industry
01:44
as
01:44
he
01:44
was
01:44
known
01:45
for
01:45
participating
01:47
in
01:47
exercises.
01:48
For
01:48
one,
01:48
there
01:49
was
01:49
that
01:49
famous
01:49
image
01:50
of
01:50
him
01:50
and
01:51
the
01:51
Ski
01:52
Poles
01:52
as
01:52
part
01:52
of
01:53
the
01:53
Royal
01:54
Marines
01:55
icebreaking
01:55
challenge.
01:56
Now
01:56
his
01:56
successor
01:58
and
01:58
more
01:59
notably
01:59
the
01:59
first
01:59
female
02:00
in
02:00
the
02:00
position
02:01
is
02:01
penny
02:02
modern.
02:03
She
02:03
is
02:04
the
02:04
Portsmouth
02:04
North
02:05
MP,
02:05
so
02:06
she
02:06
won't
02:06
be
02:06
a
02:06
stranger
02:07
to
02:08
maritime
02:09
issues
02:09
and
02:10
how
02:10
they
02:10
affect
02:10
communities.
02:12
However,
02:12
unlike
02:13
her
02:13
predecessor,
02:14
she
02:14
has
02:14
a
02:14
bit
02:15
more
02:15
wider
02:15
experience
02:16
politically
02:17
in
02:17
the
02:17
defense
02:18
fields.
02:18
Having
02:19
worked
02:19
closely
02:20
with
02:20
Phillip
02:21
Hammond,
02:22
the
02:22
former
02:22
defense
02:23
secretary
02:23
as
02:24
his
02:24
parliamentary
02:25
private
02:25
secretary,
02:26
she
02:26
was
02:27
also
02:27
a
02:28
armed
02:28
forces
02:29
minister
02:30
and
02:30
more
02:31
notably
02:31
a
02:31
royal
02:32
naval
02:32
reservist.
02:33
So
02:34
on
02:34
paper
02:34
she
02:35
could
02:35
cut
02:35
the
02:36
mustard,
02:36
but
02:37
whether
02:37
she
02:37
will
02:38
be
02:38
as
02:39
hands
02:39
on
02:39
as
02:40
Williamson
02:41
remains
02:41
to
02:42
be
02:42
seen,
02:43
as
02:43
we
02:43
know,
02:44
defense
02:44
budgets
02:45
have
02:45
shrunk.
02:46
So
02:46
if
02:46
she
02:47
can
02:47
squeeze
02:47
more
02:48
money
02:48
out
02:48
for
02:48
the
02:49
services,
02:50
that
02:50
will
02:50
remain
02:51
to
02:51
be
02:51
seen.
02:52
But
02:53
let
02:53
me
02:53
put
02:54
it
02:54
to
02:54
you
02:54
to
02:54
say
02:55
to
02:55
you
02:56
too.
02:56
Um,
02:57
what
02:57
do
02:57
we
02:57
think?
02:57
Do
02:57
political
02:58
leaders
02:58
have
02:59
heavyweight
03:00
over
03:00
the
03:00
forces,
03:01
military
03:01
or
03:02
services?
03:03
Do
03:03
we
03:03
think
03:03  Speaker 2
it
03:04
depends
03:04
really
03:05
where
03:05
the,
03:06
uh,
03:06
the
03:07
minister
03:07
in
03:07
charge
03:07
of
03:08
the
03:08
ministry
03:08
wants
03:08
to
03:09
use,
03:10
uh,
03:10
the
03:10
position
03:10
for
03:11
a
03:11
vehicle
03:12
for
03:12
self
03:12
advancement,
03:13
career
03:13
opportunity
03:14
or
03:14
whether
03:14
they're
03:15
really
03:15
invested
03:16
in
03:17
whatever
03:17
that
03:17
ministry
03:18
is
03:18
doing
03:18
in
03:18
his
03:19
and
03:19
his
03:19
people.
03:19  Speaker 3
Yeah.
03:20
I
03:20
think,
03:20
um,
03:20
when
03:21
you
03:21
take
03:21
a
03:21
look
03:21
at
03:21
Williamson,
03:22
I
03:22
think
03:23
especially
03:23
when
03:23
he
03:23
took
03:24
over
03:24
the
03:24
role
03:24
to
03:24
start
03:25
with,
03:25
it
03:25
was
03:25
quite
03:25
clear
03:26
that
03:26
he
03:27
wanted
03:27
to
03:27
use
03:27
it
03:27
as
03:28
a
03:28
bit
03:28
of
03:28
a
03:28
leg
03:29
up
03:29
to
03:30
greater
03:30
things.
03:31
Um,
03:32
whereas
03:32
his
03:32
previous
03:32
have
03:33
predessessors
03:34
micro
03:35
felon,
03:36
um,
03:36
seem
03:36
to
03:36
be
03:36
a
03:37
bit
03:37
more
03:37
invested
03:38
in
03:38
the
03:38
role
03:38
itself.
03:39
So,
03:39
um,
03:40
penny
03:40
will
03:40
really
03:40
have
03:40
to
03:41
prove
03:41
herself
03:41
whether
03:42
she's
03:42
just
03:42
using
03:42
it
03:42
as
03:43
a
03:43
career
03:43
leg
03:44
up,
03:44
whether
03:44
she's
03:45
actually
03:45
invested
03:45
in
03:45
their
03:45
department
03:47
or,
03:48
um,
03:48
whether
03:48
it
03:48
will
03:49
all
03:49
be
03:49
overshadowed
03:50
by
03:50
other
03:50
political
03:51
goings
03:52
on
03:52
in
03:52
the
03:52
UK
03:53
at
03:53
the
03:53
moment.
03:53
Cause
03:53
defense
03:54
doesn't
03:54
seem
03:54
to
03:54
be
03:55
at
03:55
the
03:55
top
03:55
of
03:56
the
03:56
bill,
03:56  Speaker 1
I
03:56
guess.
03:57
Sure.
03:57
Leading
03:57
to
03:58
Brexit
03:58
there,
03:59
whether
04:00
that
04:01
ties
04:02
people's
04:02
hands,
04:03  Speaker 2
Ty's
04:03
people's
04:03
budgets
04:04
as
04:04
well.
04:05
Um,
04:06
I
04:06
probably
04:07
could.
04:07
Yeah,
04:07
I'm
04:07
sure
04:07
it
04:08
will.
04:08
I'm
04:08
curious
04:09
to
04:09
see
04:10
what,
04:10
what
04:10
penny
04:10
more
04:10
than
04:11
it
04:11
does
04:11
with
04:11
the,
04:12
the
04:12
two
04:12
flagship
04:13
programs
04:13
or
04:13
two
04:13
of
04:13
the
04:13
flagship
04:14
programs
04:15
that's
04:15
a
04:15
Williamson
04:16
put
04:16
forward
04:16
towards
04:17
the
04:17
end
04:17
of
04:17
his
04:19
tenure
04:19
at
04:19
the
04:20
Ministry
04:20
of
04:20
Defense.
04:21
Easy
04:21
Service
04:21
obviously
04:21
relating
04:22
to
04:22
the,
04:22
the
04:22
literal
04:23
strike
04:23
ships
04:24
and
04:24
a
04:24
large
04:24
us
04:25
visa
04:25
said
04:25
couple
04:26
of
04:26
hundred
04:26
million
04:26
pounds
04:26
worth
04:27
of
04:27
worth
04:28
of
04:28
programs.
04:28
So,
04:29
you
04:29
know,
04:30
we'll
04:30
penny
04:30
more
04:30
than
04:31
want
04:31
to
04:32
um,
04:32
continue
04:33
with
04:33
these
04:33
programs.
04:34
Who
04:34
will
04:34
she
04:35
maybe
04:35
wants
04:35
to
04:35
redistribute
04:36
or
04:36
respend
04:36
re
04:36
spend
04:37
the
04:37
money.
04:37
We'll
04:37
spend
04:37
the
04:37
money
04:38
better
04:39
elsewhere
04:39
on
04:40
programs
04:40
that
04:40
she
04:40
feels
04:41
a
04:41
more
04:41
aligned
04:41
with
04:42
what
04:42
she
04:42
believes
04:43
in
04:44
time
04:44
will
04:44
tell.
04:44
I
04:45
guess
04:45
I
04:45
will,
04:46  Speaker 1
but
04:46
let's
04:46
stick
04:47
to
04:47
news.
04:47
That's
04:47
what
04:47
we
04:48
do
04:48
best
04:48
here
04:49
at
04:49
shepherd
04:49
media.
04:50
A
04:50
senior
04:51
reporter,
04:51
Tim
04:53
Martin
04:53
is
04:53
at
04:53
sea
04:54
air
04:54
space
04:54
in
04:55
Maryland
04:56
just
04:56
outside
04:56
of
04:57
Washington
04:57
DC.
04:58
He's
04:59
focused
04:59
on
04:59
some
05:00
us
05:00
navy
05:00
programs,
05:01
but
05:02
the
05:02
u
05:02
s
05:03
navy
05:03
particularly
05:03
is
05:04
currently
05:04
assessing
05:05
the
05:05
benefits
05:05
of
05:05
formally
05:06
introducing
05:07
a
05:07
service
05:08
life
05:08
extension
05:09
program
05:10
for
05:10
its
05:10
fleet
05:11
of
05:11
Mh
05:11
60
05:12
Romeo
05:12
Sierra
05:13
Seahawks.
05:14
However,
05:14
there's
05:14
no
05:15
guarantee
05:15
that
05:15
all
05:16
of
05:16
that
05:16
contingent
05:17
will
05:17
be
05:17
included
05:18
in
05:18
the
05:18
effort
05:18
itself.
05:19
So
05:19
I
05:20
imagine
05:20
the
05:21
air
05:21
team,
05:22
we'll
05:22
keep
05:22
an
05:22
eye
05:22
on
05:23
that
05:23
program.
05:24
The
05:24
FAA
05:25
is
05:25
due
05:25
to
05:26
approve
05:26
Ifr
05:27
certification
05:28
for
05:29
Leonardo's,
05:29
U
05:30
s
05:30
navy
05:31
t
05:31
h
05:31
x
05:32
x
05:32
training
05:33
helicopter
05:33
entrance.
05:34
Within
05:35
the
05:35
next
05:35
30
05:36
days.
05:36
It's
05:36
been
05:36
said
05:37
Leonardo
05:38
has
05:38
completed
05:39
or
05:39
flying
05:39
requirements
05:40
needed
05:41
for
05:41
the
05:41
IFR
05:42
supplemental
05:43
type
05:43
certificate
05:44
and
05:44
it
05:44
has
05:45
substance.
05:45
It
05:45
has
05:46
since
05:46
submitted
05:48
or
05:48
paperwork
05:48
associated
05:49
with
05:50
the
05:50
certification
05:51
process
05:52
to
05:52
regulators
05:53
for
05:53
the
05:53
twin
05:53
engine
05:54
aircraft
05:55
and
05:56
oversee
05:56
India.
05:57
India's
05:58
Defense
06:00
Acquisition
06:00
Council
06:00
has
06:00
approved
06:01
the
06:01
acquisition
06:02
of
06:02
10
06:03
km
06:04
of
06:04
k
06:04
a
06:05
31
06:06
airborne
06:07
early
06:07
warning
06:08
helicopters
06:08
for
06:08
the
06:09
Indian
06:09
Navy.
06:10
The
06:10
deal
06:11
is
06:11
expected
06:11
to
06:12
cost
06:14
around
06:14
US
06:14
dollars
06:14
529
06:16
million.
06:16
Whether
06:17
this
06:17
comes
06:17
into
06:17
fruition,
06:18
we
06:18
shall
06:19
keep
06:19
you
06:19
posted.
06:21
Beth,
06:21
you
06:22
back
06:22
from
06:22
Turkey.
06:23
What
06:23
have
06:23
you
06:23
got
06:23
for
06:24
us
06:24
on
06:24
the
06:24
land
06:25
side?
06:26  Speaker 3
Yup.
06:27
I'm
06:27
just
06:27
back
06:27
from
06:28
I
06:28
def
06:28
2019
06:30
in
06:30
Istanbul
06:31
where
06:31
we
06:32
covered
06:32
all
06:33
the
06:33
Turkish
06:33
land
06:34
programs
06:35
there.
06:35
But
06:36
uh,
06:36
more
06:36
detail
06:36
on
06:37
that.
06:37
We'll
06:37
be
06:37
coming
06:37
up
06:37
later
06:38
in
06:38
the
06:38
pod.
06:39
Um,
06:39
for
06:39
now
06:40
I'm
06:40
going
06:40
to
06:40
focus
06:41
on
06:41
a
06:42
story
06:42
from
06:43
one
06:43
of
06:43
our
06:43
writers
06:44
who's
06:44
based
06:44
in
06:45
so
06:45
fair.
06:45
Um,
06:45
he's
06:46
reported
06:46
that
06:47
Romania
06:47
is
06:48
now
06:49
considered
06:49
in
06:49
the
06:49
procurement
06:50
of
06:50
up
06:50
to
06:50
173
06:52
Puma.
06:53
I
06:54
viz
06:54
as
06:55
an
06:55
alternative
06:57
to
06:57
a
06:57
project,
06:58
um,
06:59
for
06:59
the
06:59
code
07:00
development
07:00
and
07:00
coproduction
07:01
of
07:02
the
07:03
agilist
07:03
family
07:03
of
07:04
wheeled
07:04
combat
07:04
vehicles.
07:05
Um,
07:05
this
07:05
code
07:06
development
07:06
would
07:06
have
07:06
been
07:07
done
07:07
with,
07:08
um,
07:08
Germany's
07:09
Reimer
07:09
Towel,
07:09
um,
07:10
uh,
07:10
notably
07:11
the
07:11
Puma
07:11
ifs
07:12
are
07:12
also,
07:13
um,
07:14
Ryan
07:14
Mattel
07:14
vehicles.
07:16
Um,
07:16
so
07:16
in
07:16
October,
07:18
2017,
07:19
I'm
07:20
Ryan
07:20
Matara
07:20
and
07:20
the
07:20
Romanian,
07:21
uh,
07:21
a
07:21
Romanian
07:22
state
07:22
owned
07:23
company
07:24
established
07:25
what
07:25
is
07:25
known
07:25
as
07:26
Romanian
07:26
military
07:27
vehicle
07:27
systems.
07:28
Now
07:29
this
07:29
is
07:29
a
07:29
50,
07:29
50
07:30
joint
07:30
venture,
07:31
which
07:32
was
07:32
a
07:32
set
07:32
up
07:33
to
07:33
deal
07:33
with
07:33
the
07:33
development
07:34
and
07:34
production
07:35
of
07:35
combat
07:35
vehicles.
07:37
It's
07:37
main
07:37
project
07:38
was
07:38
the
07:38
agility
07:39
and
07:39
I'm
07:40
fabulous
07:41
wheeled
07:41
vehicle,
07:42
uh,
07:43
with
07:43
the
07:44
Romanian
07:44
mod
07:45
committing
07:45
to
07:46
up
07:46
to
07:47
400
07:47
units
07:48
of
07:48
these,
07:48
uh,
07:49
these
07:49
would
07:49
have
07:49
been
07:49
delivered
07:50
together
07:50
with
07:50
the
07:50
227
07:52
proud
07:52
of
07:52
fives
07:53
which
07:53
were
07:53
ordered
07:54
in
07:54
2018.
07:56
Now
07:56
the
07:56
Parana
07:57
fives,
07:57
the
07:57
going
07:57
through
07:57
testing
07:58
and
07:58
delivery
07:59
as
07:59
we
07:59
speak.
08:00
Um,
08:00
however,
08:01
it
08:01
seems
08:02
that
08:02
the
08:02
Romanian
08:02
government
08:03
fell
08:03
to
08:03
provide
08:04
its
08:04
financial
08:05
contribution
08:05
needed
08:06
to
08:06
launch
08:07
the
08:07
agility
08:08
development
08:08
program,
08:09
which
08:09
was
08:09
valued
08:10
at
08:10
about
08:10
$260
08:13
million.
08:13
But
08:13
what's,
08:14
what's
08:14
the
08:14
reason
08:15
behind
08:15
it?
08:15
Is
08:15
there
08:15
a
08:15
reason
08:16
to
08:16
it?
08:17
Um,
08:17
what
08:17
for
08:17
going
08:18
for
08:18
pure
08:19
tumor
08:19
Ife
08:20
Rovelyn
08:20
something
08:20
that's
08:21
code
08:21
developed
08:21
and
08:21
Co
08:22
produced
08:22
within
08:22
the
08:22
country,
08:23
it
08:23
seems
08:23
to
08:24
be
08:24
from
08:24
the
08:24
Romanians
08:25
point
08:25
of
08:25
view,
08:26
this
08:26
failure
08:27
to
08:27
be
08:27
able
08:28
to
08:28
get
08:29
that
08:29
money
08:29
together.
08:30
Um,
08:31
instead
08:31
it
08:31
looks
08:32
like
08:32
it's
08:32
entered
08:32
into
08:32
negotiations
08:33
with
08:34
Reimer
08:34
towel
08:34
for
08:35
the
08:35
purchase
08:35
of
08:35
the
08:35
Puma
08:36
I
08:37
fees.
08:37
Um,
08:37
and
08:38
this
08:38
would
08:38
be,
08:39
we've
08:39
continuing
08:40
the
08:40
work
08:40
of
08:40
the
08:41
agendas
08:41
program,
08:42
but
08:42
in
08:43
the
08:43
form
08:43
of
08:43
an
08:44
offset
08:44
project,
08:45
um,
08:45
related
08:46
to
08:46
the
08:46
Puma
08:47
purchase,
08:48
which
08:48
would
08:48
be
08:48
fully
08:49
funded
08:49
by
08:50
Ryan
08:50
Mattel.
08:51
Um,
08:51
I
08:51
think
08:51
what
08:51
is
08:52
interesting
08:52
though
08:52
about
08:53
this
08:53
story
08:53
is
08:53
it
08:54
kind
08:54
of
08:54
shows
08:54
the,
08:55
wow,
08:55
a
08:55
lot
08:56
of
08:56
nations
08:57
nowadays
08:58
for
08:58
that
08:58
alarm
08:58
programs
08:59
want
08:59
to
09:00
design
09:00
and
09:00
develop
09:01
a
09:02
manufacture
09:02
vehicles
09:03
in
09:03
house.
09:04
Well,
09:04
not
09:04
in
09:04
house,
09:05
but
09:05
like
09:05
domestically.
09:07
Um,
09:07
that
09:07
is
09:07
a
09:08
difficult
09:08
thing
09:09
to
09:09
do
09:09
and
09:09
to
09:10
get
09:10
the
09:10
funds
09:11
up
09:11
together
09:11
and
09:11
sometimes
09:12
that
09:12
she
09:13
buying
09:13
something
09:14
on
09:14
the
09:14
export
09:15
market,
09:16
um,
09:17
cause
09:17
easily
09:17
meet
09:17
your
09:18
needs
09:18
and
09:19
be
09:19
a
09:20
more
09:20
cost
09:20
effective
09:21
solution
09:22
to
09:23
requirements.
09:24
Okay.
09:25  Speaker 2
From
09:25
dry
09:25
land
09:26
too.
09:26
Choppy
09:26
waters,
09:27
Richard,
09:27
over
09:28
to
09:28
you
09:28
at
09:28
the
09:29
sea
09:29
desk.
09:30
Thanks.
09:31
How's,
09:31
yeah,
09:31
no,
09:31
we
09:31
were
09:31
talking
09:32
earlier
09:33
this
09:33
week
09:33
when
09:33
we
09:33
home
09:33
about
09:35
names,
09:35
what's
09:35
in
09:35
a
09:36
name?
09:36
So
09:37
we
09:38
did
09:38
we
09:39
well
09:39
read
09:39
Romeo
09:40
and
09:40
Juliet.
09:40
I
09:41
did
09:41
a
09:41
rose
09:41
by
09:42
any
09:42
other
09:42
name
09:42
would
09:43
still
09:43
smell
09:43
as
09:43
sweet.
09:44
So
09:45
continuing
09:45
with
09:46
that
09:46
sort
09:46
of
09:47
theme,
09:47
I'll
09:47
use
09:48
that
09:48
as
09:48
a
09:48
segway
09:48
into
09:49
my
09:49
nice.
09:50
Nicely,
09:50
nicely.
09:51
Um,
09:51
so
09:52
the
09:52
uh,
09:52
the
09:52
fourth
09:53
boats
09:53
of
09:54
the
09:54
Uks,
09:55
a
09:55
dreadnought
09:56
class,
09:57
um,
09:57
ballistic
09:58
missile
09:58
submarines,
09:59
that's
09:59
a
09:59
successor
10:00
to
10:00
the
10:00
vanguard
10:00
class.
10:01
It'll,
10:01
how's
10:01
the
10:02
uks
10:03
um,
10:03
nuclear
10:03
deterrent.
10:04
Will
10:04
the
10:04
fourth
10:04
boat
10:05
as
10:05
received
10:06
its
10:06
name?
10:07
It's
10:07
great.
10:07
It's
10:07
very
10:08
interesting
10:08
because
10:09
it's
10:10
a
10:10
nameless,
10:10
never
10:10
been
10:11
used
10:11
by
10:11
the
10:12
Royal
10:12
Navy
10:12
before.
10:12
The
10:13
boat
10:13
will
10:13
be
10:13
known
10:13
as
10:13
King
10:13
George.
10:14
The
10:15
six.
10:16
The
10:16
first
10:16
boat
10:16
of
10:16
course
10:17
is
10:17
dreadnoughts
10:17
second
10:18
boat,
10:18
Valliant
10:18
third
10:19
boat
10:19
war
10:20
spite.
10:20
Now,
10:20
those
10:20
first
10:20
three
10:20
names
10:21
of
10:21
got
10:21
history
10:21
is
10:21
going
10:22
back
10:23
centuries.
10:24
You
10:24
know,
10:24
the
10:24
first
10:25
thing
10:25
is
10:25
valley
10:25
and
10:25
goes
10:26
back
10:26
to
10:26
the,
10:26
to
10:26
the
10:26
16th
10:27
century
10:27
when
10:27
he
10:28
was
10:28
the
10:28
English
10:28
navy.
10:29
So
10:29
the
10:29
fact
10:30
that
10:30
um,
10:30
you
10:31
know,
10:31
the
10:31
fourth
10:31
boat
10:32
has
10:32
got
10:32
a
10:32
brand
10:32
new
10:33
name.
10:33
Oh,
10:33
fingers
10:33
crossed
10:34
it
10:34
and
10:34
create
10:34
some,
10:35
some
10:35
positive
10:36
history
10:36
as
10:37
as
10:37
it
10:37
moves
10:37
forward.
10:38
I
10:38
think
10:38
positive
10:39
history
10:39
moving
10:39
forward.
10:40
That
10:40
sounds
10:41
like
10:41
an
10:41
oxymoron.
10:42
Which
10:42
that
10:43
word
10:43
was
10:43
invented
10:43
by
10:43
Shakespeare
10:44
I
10:44
believe.
10:44
So.
10:45
There
10:45
we
10:45
go.
10:46
Yes,
10:46
you're
10:46
a
10:46
literary
10:46
person
10:48
bringing
10:48
it
10:48
back
10:48
to
10:49
the
10:50
naval
10:50
naval
10:50
news
10:51
though.
10:51
I
10:51
guess
10:51
it's
10:52
quite
10:52
interesting.
10:52  Speaker 3
Sing
10:53
the
10:53
naming
10:53
of
10:54
this
10:54
new
10:55
boat
10:55
kind
10:56
of
10:56
ties
10:56
in
10:56
with
10:57
uh,
10:57
50
10:58
years.
10:58
The
10:58
UK
10:58
is
10:59
now
10:59
has
10:59
a
11:00
ongoing
11:00
nuclear
11:01
deterrent
11:02
at
11:02
sea,
11:02
which
11:03
is
11:03
um,
11:03
quite
11:03
impressive
11:04
I
11:04
guess.
11:04
Rich.
11:05  Speaker 2
It
11:05
is
11:05
impressive.
11:06
You
11:06
know,
11:06
these,
11:06
these,
11:07
these,
11:07
these
11:07
boats
11:08
are
11:08
sear,
11:08
she
11:08
complex
11:09
pieces
11:09
of
11:09
kit
11:10
and
11:10
the
11:10
fact
11:10
that
11:10
the
11:10
UK
11:11
as
11:11
we
11:12
able
11:12
to
11:12
for
11:12
half
11:13
a
11:13
century
11:13
operates
11:14
at
11:15
all
11:15
times,
11:15
at
11:15
least
11:16
one
11:16
boat
11:16
and
11:16
under
11:17
the
11:17
sea
11:17
is
11:18
his
11:18
testament
11:18
to
11:19
the,
11:19
you
11:19
know,
11:19
the
11:19
industrial
11:20
skill.
11:21
And
11:21
also
11:21
the,
11:21
the,
11:22
the
11:22
skill
11:22
of
11:22
a
11:22
service
11:23
personnel.
11:24
Um,
11:24
it's
11:24
an
11:25
example
11:25
like
11:25
as
11:26
as
11:26
well
11:26
I
11:26
think
11:27
of
11:27
the
11:28
UK,
11:28
Moody's
11:29
inability
11:29
to
11:30
hold
11:31
onto
11:31
a
11:31
positive
11:32
narrative
11:32
and
11:32
really
11:33
create
11:33
some
11:33
decent
11:34
coverage
11:35
for
11:35
is
11:35
as
11:35
I
11:35
say,
11:36
a
11:36
very
11:36
positive
11:36
story
11:37
to,
11:37
uh,
11:37
to,
11:38
uh,
11:38
to
11:38
bring
11:39
up
11:39
really
11:40
you
11:40
mentioned
11:41
as
11:41
well,
11:42
here
11:42
we
11:42
go.
11:43
You
11:44
were
11:44
talking
11:44
about,
11:45
uh,
11:45
cs
11:45
space
11:46
and
11:47
helicopter
11:47
life
11:47
extension
11:48
programs,
11:48
I
11:48
think,
11:49
correct?
11:49
That's
11:50
correct.
11:50
What
11:50
was
11:50
it
11:51
was
11:51
the
11:51
helicopter
11:51
name
11:51
again?
11:53
Rodeo.
11:55
Oh
11:55
Wow.
11:56
We
11:57
Shakespeare
11:58
isn't
11:58
it?
11:59
I
11:59
know
12:00
the
12:00
story
12:00
from
12:00
Tim
12:01
Martin
12:01
who
12:01
as
12:01
you
12:01
said,
12:02
he's
12:02
over
12:02
near
12:03
Washington
12:03
reporting
12:04
from
12:04
CS
12:05
base.
12:06
This
12:06
kind
12:06
of
12:06
ties
12:07
into
12:07
my
12:07
first
12:07
point
12:07
about
12:08
creating
12:08
a
12:08
positive
12:09
narrative.
12:09
So
12:09
as
12:10
we
12:10
all
12:10
know,
12:10
long,
12:10
long
12:11
time
12:11
listeners
12:11
and
12:11
followers
12:12
of
12:12
the,
12:12
of
12:12
the
12:13
podcast
12:14
world
12:14
recall
12:14
a
12:15
few
12:15
episodes
12:16
ago
12:16
that,
12:16
so
12:16
we
12:17
talked
12:17
about
12:17
the
12:18
cancellation
12:19
of
12:19
the
12:19
midlife
12:19
refueling
12:20
of
12:20
the
12:20
Harry
12:22
s
12:22
Truman
12:22
aircraft
12:22
carrier.
12:23
That
12:23
was
12:23
a
12:23
decision
12:23
by
12:23
the
12:24
Trump
12:24
administration
12:25
to
12:26
save
12:26
some
12:26
money,
12:26
whatever.
12:28
Anyway,
12:28
so
12:28
it
12:28
seems
12:29
or
12:29
he
12:29
doesn't
12:29
seem,
12:29
they
12:30
have
12:30
decided
12:30
to
12:31
flip
12:31
flop
12:31
after
12:31
a
12:31
great
12:32
deal
12:32
of
12:32
pressure
12:32
from
12:33
both
12:33
sides
12:33
of
12:34
the
12:34
house
12:34
and
12:35
now
12:35
the
12:35
aircraft
12:35
carrier
12:36
will
12:36
get
12:37
it's
12:37
midlife
12:38
refuel.
12:39
So
12:39
I
12:39
think
12:39
that's
12:39
a
12:39
good
12:39
example
12:40
of
12:41
creating
12:42
a
12:42
positive
12:43
news
12:43
story
12:44
almost
12:44
out
12:45
of
12:45
nothing.
12:46
It's
12:46
something
12:46
that
12:46
I
12:46
guess
12:46
as
12:47
I
12:47
said,
12:47
the
12:47
UK
12:47
mod,
12:48
he's
12:48
singularly
12:49
unable
12:49
to
12:49
do.
12:50
Yeah,
12:50
definitely
12:50
a
12:50
bit
12:51
of
12:51
a
12:51
media
12:52
spin
12:52
from
12:53
the
12:53
Trump
12:54
team.
12:54
It
12:54
seems
12:55
that,
12:55
um,
12:55
to
12:56
create,
12:56
go
12:57
back
12:57
on
12:57
something
12:57
you've
12:58
already
12:58
said
12:58
and
12:58
then
12:59
create
12:59
a
12:59
good
12:59
news
13:00
story.
13:00
It's
13:00
crazy
13:01
out
13:01
and
13:01
nothing
13:01
impressive.
13:03
Um,
13:03
closing
13:04
a
13:05
quick
13:05
update
13:05
on
13:05
the
13:05
type
13:06
31
13:06
e
13:07
a
13:07
light
13:07
frigate
13:08
program
13:08
for
13:08
the
13:08
UK.
13:09
A
13:09
national
13:10
media
13:10
have
13:10
been
13:10
reporting
13:12
that
13:12
there
13:12
could
13:13
be
13:13
some,
13:14
some
13:14
changes
13:15
to
13:15
the
13:15
budget.
13:15
Now
13:15
this
13:16
budget,
13:16
sorry
13:17
for
13:17
the
13:17
program's
13:18
budget.
13:18
Now
13:18
this
13:18
budget
13:19
is
13:19
always
13:19
been
13:19
tight.
13:19
You're
13:20
looking
13:20
at
13:20
250
13:21
million
13:21
pounds
13:22
per
13:22
ship
13:22
for
13:22
five
13:23
ships.
13:24
Debate
13:24
as
13:24
to
13:24
how
13:25
affordable
13:26
that
13:26
is
13:27
and
13:27
if
13:27
you're
13:27
sticking
13:28
to
13:28
that
13:28
budget,
13:28
what
13:28
kind
13:29
of
13:29
capability
13:29
you'll
13:29
be
13:29
introducing
13:30
to
13:30
the
13:31
Royal
13:31
Navy.
13:31
Now
13:31
we've
13:32
at
13:33
shepherd
13:33
followed
13:33
up
13:33
with
13:33
the
13:33
mod
13:34
for
13:35
some
13:35
clarification
13:35
as
13:36
to
13:36
what
13:36
this
13:36
budget,
13:37
um,
13:38
change
13:38
might
13:38
be
13:39
in
13:39
a
13:39
positive
13:39
or
13:39
a
13:39
negative
13:40
way.
13:40
We
13:40
haven't
13:41
got
13:41
any
13:42
real
13:42
clear
13:43
answer.
13:44
Um,
13:44
they've
13:44
just
13:44
restated
13:45
that
13:46
the
13:46
five
13:46
ships
13:47
will
13:47
have
13:47
an
13:48
average
13:49
of
13:49
250
13:50
million
13:51
pounds
13:52
for
13:52
each
13:52
ship.
13:52
So
13:53
if
13:53
there
13:53
are
13:53
any
13:53
developments
13:54
and
13:54
yeah,
13:54
check
13:54
out
13:55
the
13:55
website.
13:55
Of
13:55
course,
13:56
quite
13:56
Shakespeare,
13:57
all
13:57
that
13:57
glitters
13:58
might
13:58
not
13:58
be
13:58
gold
13:59
side.
14:00
We'll
14:00
see
14:00
what
14:00
happens
14:02
in
14:02
Shakespeare
14:02
quotes.
14:06
Shakespeare.
14:07
Thanks.
14:08
Thanks.
14:08
Both
14:09
these
14:10
new
14:10
stories
14:10
and
14:11
more,
14:11
please
14:11
visit
14:12
shepherd
14:12
media.com
14:14
coming
14:14
up
14:15
the
14:15
land
14:15
team,
14:15
discuss
14:16
the
14:16
latest
14:17
Turkish
14:17
land
14:17
program
14:18
requirements.
14:25
I'm
14:26
here
14:26
with
14:26
Richard
14:27
Thomas,
14:27
our
14:27
editor
14:28
in
14:28
chief.
14:29
Now
14:29
Richard,
14:29
I
14:29
understand
14:30
you've
14:30
got
14:30
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14:31
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14:34
As
14:34
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14:35
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14:35
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14:36
nowadays
14:36
journalism
14:37
comes
14:37
at
14:37
a
14:37
price
14:38
as
14:38
as
14:38
it
14:38
should,
14:39
uh,
14:39
much
14:39
of
14:39
our
14:39
original
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14:40
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14:43
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14:44
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14:44
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14:44
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14:44
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14:44
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14:45
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14:45
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14:46
but
14:47
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14:47
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14:47
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14:47
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14:47
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14:48
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14:48
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14:49
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14:49
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14:52
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14:52
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14:52
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14:52
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14:53
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14:53
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14:53
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15:01
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15:01
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15:02
Thanks,
15:02
right
15:03
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15:03
So
15:03
to
15:04
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15:04
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15:05
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I'm
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15:22
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15:22
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15:22
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15:23
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15:24
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15:24
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15:26
Marta,
15:26
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15:27
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15:27
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15:28
Um,
15:29
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15:29
both
15:29
been
15:29
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15:30
at
15:31
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15:32
2019
15:33
and
15:33
we're
15:33
just
15:33
taking
15:33
a
15:33
moment
15:34
to
15:34
take
15:34
stock
15:34
of
15:34
the
15:34
show,
15:35
a
15:35
review,
15:36
some
15:36
of
15:36
the
15:36
key
15:36
themes
15:37
and
15:37
highlights
15:37
as
15:38
well
15:38
as
15:38
covering
15:39
the
15:39
news.
15:40
But
15:40
I'm
15:40
going
15:40
to
15:40
kick
15:40
it
15:41
off
15:41
with
15:41
the
15:41
elephant
15:42
in
15:42
the
15:42
room
15:42
of
15:42
the
15:42
show,
15:42
really,
15:43
which
15:43
has
15:44
been
15:44
the
15:45
issues
15:45
from
15:46
the
15:46
u
15:46
s
15:47
regarding
15:48
Turkey's
15:48
pit
15:48
purchase
15:49
of
15:49
the
15:49
s
15:50