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#446 – An Interview with Pete Bevelacqua


Welcome, Pete Bevelacqua of Antenna-Theory.com!

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  • Chris first met Pete when he was giving a talk at HDDG about a custom made VNA
    • 0h 0m 55s
  • Pete has been an antenna designer at Boeing, Apple, Nest
    • 0h 1m 16s
  • Pete got started in this because he really liked Electricity and Magnetism classes.
    • 0h 2m 12s
  • “Do I come out [of the class] and know how to put an antenna in a phone?” (answer: no)
    • 0h 3m 4s
  • Pete studied with Dr Bilanas at ASU
    • 0h 3m 20s
  • Convex optimization program
    • 0h 4m 12s
  • Used a lot in signal processing
    • 0h 5m 38s
  • Compared to linear optimizations
    • 0h 6m 29s
  • Boeing wanted to put 20 antennas on a plane
    • 0h 7m 37s
  • DC to daylight
    • 0h 8m 20s
  • Starting with a specific problem
    • 0h 9m 43s
  • “I want to put a bluetooth antenna in my device”
    • 0h 9m 51s
  • Start from a place of practicality
    • 0h 11m 16s
  • Do not make anything hard that doesn’t need to be hard
    • 0h 11m 32s
  • The one piece of math you need to know: the lowest frequency you’re using
    • 0h 12m 52s
  • Half wavelength for GPS is 3.5 inches
    • 0h 13m 13s
  • Efficiency is how much you’re putting in vs what you get out
    • 0h 13m 30s
  • Everything in RF is dB
    • 0h 14m 49s
  • …except for the antenna
    • 0h 15m 13s
  • “This meeting is 3dB too long”
    • 0h 16m 35s
  • Didn’t design antennas at Boeing because they didn’t need them to be custom/integrated
    • 0h 18m 53s
  • Directionality of antennae
    • 0h 21m 6s
  • “Do you want a high gain antenna?”
    • 0h 21m 12s
  • Gain specifically is the efficiency (in dB) plus the directivity (in dB)
    • 0h 21m 52s
  • FCC matters for consumer. If you have a directional antenna and it’s out of spec, you’ll need to take the overall power down
    • 0h 23m 7s
  • Effective Isotropic Radiated Power (EIRP) = conducted power + antenna gain
    • 0h 24m 0s
  • dDm is milliwatts of power
    • 0h 24m 59s
  • RF and antenna teams are different at hardware companies.
    • 0h 26m 6s
  • RF team assumes a 50 ohm antenna. The antenna team assumes a 50 ohm driver.
    • 0h 27m 7s
  • Went from Boeing to Apple
    • 0h 28m 7s
  • Consumer electronics and how it works
    • 0h 29m 3s
  • Industrial design team starts the process for look, feel and materials.
    • 0h 29m 10s
  • Mockup or simulation
    • 0h 31m 36s
  • Integration and understanding what will be interfering
    • 0h 31m 58s
  • Simulation is HFSS and CST
    • 0h 33m 4s
  • Pete isn’t big on simulating
    • 0h 33m 16s
  • Some people don’t simulate at all
    • 0h 33m 57s
  • Not that many types of antennas
    • 0h 35m 3s
  • Hybrids of dipoles
    • 0h 36m 7s
  • VNA
    • 0h 36m 21s
  • VSWR
    • 0h 36m 37s
  • VNA just tells you it is matched, not that it’s radiating
    • 0h 37m 1s
  • Once it’s matched you go about measuring its efficiency by putting it in an anechoic chamber
    • 0h 37m 42s
  • Dealing with multiple frequencies
    • 0h 38m 30s
  • GPS, Bluetooth, Wifi, Cellular
    • 0h 38m 45s
  • Cellular bands
    • 0h 39m 5s
  • Antennas are not meant to reject anything, that’s the job of the filters
    • 0h 40m 20s
  • 1850 (MHz) spectrum in cellular
    • 0h 40m 35s
  • “The ground in your PCB is part of your antenna”
    • 0h 44m 20s
  • How a flat antenna can create a unidirectional radiation
    • 0h 46m 27s
  • Omnidirectional is actually a donut pattern
    • 0h 46m 46s
  • For lower cellular frequencies, the phone is shorter than half the antenna
    • 0h 47m 33s
  • Explaining the polarization without looking
    • 0h 48m 49s
  • “The more volume you have the more bandwidth you have”
    • 0h 50m 34s
  • Fixing things with an exacto knife
    • 0h 52m 34s
  • Choking the lines allows you to select the frequencies
    • 0h 54m 5s
  • You start testing cert right away
    • 0h 55m 23s
  • Building your own VNA (talk at HDDG)
    • 0h 56m 41s
  • Went to Maker Faire, saw someone building a VNA
    • 0h 57m 58s
  • Need a bidirectional coupler
    • 1h 0m 9s
  • Need a frequency synthsizer
    • 1h 1m 8s
  • Coupler has directivity
    • 1h 2m 24s
  • Reflected comes back and you can measure with a chip
    • 1h 3m 11s
  • Got the Chazwazza (VNA project) on kickstarter, but the demand wasn’t there
    • 1h 4m 0s
  • The unit operates from 400 MHz to 2.7 GHz
    • 1h 5m 4s
  • Super light, especially compared to commercial equipment
    • 1h 5m 16s
  • After VNAs, testing chambers are also useful
    • 1h 6m 36s
  • Size of the chamber is a function of the wavelength
    • 1h 6m 54s
  • Pete’s current project is putting a working on putting a rocket in a balloon
    • 1h 7m 56s
  • Check out more of Pete’s work at Antenna-theory.com
    • 1h 9m 53s


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 June 10, 2019  n/a