Bam! bam! bam! bam! That's four bams, and it could have been more at the Westfalenstadion as Dortmund made Leverkusen (and Kai Havertz of all people) look pretty ordinary in a 4-0 win. Matt Hermann and Terry Duffelen talk over BVB's win, the highly entertaining Leipzig-Bayern draw on Saturday night, and many other story lines in the Bundesliga. Are Freiburg for real good? Are Hertha for real bad? And how do the particular circumstances surrounding a random touchline call challenge VAR? Listen in.