In this edition of As It Stands, Hancen is joined by Tax and Economic policy reporter Jim Tankersley of the New York Times to discuss the American middle class, the COVID-19 relief package, and the media. As It Stands hosted by Hancen Sale is a podcast about politics, policy, and what's going on around the world. The show provides in-depth and analytical news coverage, featuring guests from across the political spectrum and a range of disciplines and backgrounds. Recorded by Hancen Sale Music: "Digital Native" by Zac Nelson