In his book, “A Million Miles in a Thousand Years” Don Miller writes “People love to have lived a great story, but few people like the work it takes to make it happen. But joy costs pain”. A few days before the podcast, we were talking about this statement and our conversation became such an intriguing one, that we decided that it would be a great podcast to share. So, in today’s episode, we take a deep dive into that statement and ask the question, does achieving a state of joy really have to be painful? Is it possible to reach a state of joy, without having to experience pain? Tune in to share in the conversation. Books Referenced: A Million Miles in a Thousand Years - Donald Miller Atomic Habits: James Clear You can find us at: www. mindtation.com Facebook: www.facebook.com/mindtation And on Instagram: www. instagram.com/mindtation