Talk2ThePaw

The award-winning Talk2ThePaw podcast explores the challenges and joys of owning a dog in the 21st century. We examine common misconceptions, try to explain where they come from, and consider how we, as caregivers, could do better to improve the lives of our canine companions. We are one part dog lover, and one part dog nerd, and truly believe the key to a happy and contented pooch lies in learning to understand the messages your dog is trying to share with you. Talk2thePaw is an interactive podcast where listeners can submit questions or share a story celebrating our four-legged friends.

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In this episode we discuss Great Danes, the myth surrounding dog ageing, caring for your dog in summer, and a truly remarkable Wagtastic Woof.

Is the UK becoming a small dog country?  We take a look at an article that suggests this is the case, but all is not as clear cut as it may seem.

Do dogs age at the same rate as humans?  We discuss the findings of some recent studies that might just change the way you look at your dog.  

Do you know the signs of heatstroke?  What can we do to help our best friends survive the rigours of summer?  Listen to the podcast to find out more.

We pay tribute to a crime-fighting canine with a truly remarkable record, and celebrate his dedication to protecting us.

Support the show (https://my-store-11648642.creator-spring.com)


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 2020-07-19  32m
 
 
00:02  Caroline Bartley
Hello,
00:15
and
00:16
welcome
00:16
to
00:16
the
00:16
first
00:17
ever
00:17
episode
00:18
of
00:18
Talk2ThePaw,
00:19
a
00:19
brand
00:20
new
00:20
podcast
00:21
devoted
00:21
entirely
00:22
to
00:22
dogs.
00:22
I'm
00:22
Caroline
00:24
Bartley
00:25
and
00:25
in
00:25
each
00:26
dogcast,
00:27
I'll
00:27
be
00:27
bringing
00:27
you
00:27
the
00:28
latest
00:28
pooch
00:28
related
00:29
news
00:29
and
00:30
research
00:30
as
00:31
well
00:31
as
00:31
discussing
00:32
how
00:32
and
00:33
why
00:33
these
00:33
fabulous
00:34
animals
00:35
make
00:35
such
00:36
a
00:36
huge
00:36
contribution
00:37
to
00:37
our
00:38
lives.
00:38
Aiding
00:39
me
00:39
in
00:40
this
00:40
mutty
00:41
marathon
00:42
will
00:42
be
00:42
dog
00:42
trainer
00:42
and
00:43
canine
00:44
nerd,
00:44
Scott
00:45
Andrews.
00:45
Scott,
00:47
welcome.
00:48
Let's
00:49
set
00:49
the
00:49
scene
00:50
first
00:50
by
00:50
explaining
00:51
a
00:52
little
00:52
bit
00:52
about
00:53
your
00:53
background.
00:54  Scott Andrews
Okay.
00:55
Well,
00:55
I'm
00:55
a
00:55
qualified
00:56
canine
00:56
instructor
00:57
and
00:57
I
00:57
also
00:58
hold
00:58
certificates
00:59
in
00:59
dog
00:59
handling,
01:00
instructor
01:00
skills,
01:01
canine
01:01
aggression,
01:01
canine
01:02
cognition,
01:02
and
01:03
canine
01:03
evolution.
01:04  Caroline Bartley
And
01:05
the
01:05
idea
01:06
behind
01:07
this
01:07
dogcast,
01:08
what
01:08
is
01:08
it
01:09
exactly
01:09
that
01:10
you
01:10
hope
01:10
to
01:10
achieve?
01:11  Scott Andrews
First
01:12
and
01:12
foremost,
01:12
I
01:13
think
01:13
one
01:13
of
01:14
the
01:14
biggest
01:14
difficulties
01:15
nowadays
01:15
facing
01:16
us
01:16
is
01:17
the
01:17
amount
01:17
of
01:17
information
01:18
that
01:18
we
01:18
are
01:18
confronted
01:19
with
01:19
every
01:19
day.
01:20
So
01:21
for
01:21
dog
01:21
owners,
01:22
when
01:22
you're
01:22
looking
01:22
for
01:23
articles
01:23
or,
01:24
you're
01:24
actually
01:24
looking
01:25
online
01:26
for
01:26
something
01:26
to
01:26
be
01:26
of
01:26
assistance
01:27
to
01:27
you,
01:28
it's
01:28
really
01:28
difficult
01:29
to
01:30
work
01:30
out
01:30
what
01:31
is
01:32
fact
01:32
,
01:32
what
01:32
is
01:32
useful,
01:32
what
01:33
is
01:33
truthful?
01:34
And
01:35
I
01:35
hope
01:35
somehow
01:36
that
01:36
this
01:36
podcast
01:37
can
01:37
act
01:37
as
01:37
a
01:38
filter
01:38
for
01:38
all
01:38
of
01:38
you.
01:39
The
01:39
second
01:39
thing
01:40
that
01:40
is
01:40
really
01:40
important
01:41
to
01:41
me
01:41
and
01:42
I
01:42
hope
01:42
important
01:42
for
01:42
both
01:43
of
01:43
us
01:44
is
01:44
that
01:44
we
01:44
love
01:44
dogs.
01:45
We
01:45
want
01:46
to
01:46
celebrate
01:46
them
01:47
for
01:47
all
01:47
the
01:47
wonderful
01:47
things
01:47
they
01:48
bring
01:48
us
01:49
and
01:49
some
01:49
of
01:49
the
01:49
remarkable
01:50
things
01:50
that
01:51
they
01:51
succeed
01:51
at,
01:52
that
01:52
they
01:52
carry
01:53
out
01:53
in
01:53
doing
01:54
every
01:54
single
01:54
week.
01:55
And
01:56
lastly,
01:56
on
01:57
a
01:57
much
01:57
more
01:57
personal
01:58
note,
01:58
my
01:58
own
01:59
poor
01:59
dog.
01:59
I
02:00
have
02:00
a
02:00
Scottish
02:01
terrier
02:01
at
02:01
home
02:01
who
02:02
has
02:02
suffered
02:03
for
02:03
a
02:03
long,
02:03
long
02:04
time
02:04
with
02:05
a
02:05
particularly
02:06
nasty
02:07
illness
02:07
with
02:07
no
02:07
cure.
02:08
And
02:09
this
02:09
dog
02:10
is
02:10
so
02:10
resilient
02:11
and
02:11
so
02:13
unbelievably
02:14
strong
02:15
that
02:15
he
02:16
has
02:16
taught
02:16
me
02:16
things
02:17
I
02:17
never
02:17
realized
02:18
about
02:18
myself.
02:20
So
02:20
I
02:20
feel
02:20
it's
02:20
my
02:21
obligation
02:22
to
02:22
him
02:22
to
02:22
try
02:23
and
02:23
pay
02:23
it
02:23
back.
02:25  Caroline Bartley
Your
02:25
passion
02:25
for
02:26
dogs
02:26
comes
02:26
through
02:27
very
02:28
strongly,
02:28
but
02:29
what
02:29
is
02:29
it
02:29
particularly
02:31
about
02:31
dogs
02:32
that
02:32
you
02:32
love
02:32
so
02:33
much?
02:35  Scott Andrews
Dogs
02:35
offer
02:35
us
02:36
a
02:36
remarkable
02:36
opportunity
02:39
to
02:39
connect
02:39
with
02:39
a
02:39
species
02:40
that's
02:40
entirely
02:41
different.
02:41
I
02:41
don't
02:41
know,
02:42
well
02:43
actually
02:43
I'm
02:43
sure
02:43
some
02:43
of
02:44
you
02:44
at
02:44
home
02:44
have
02:44
experienced
02:45
that
02:45
moment
02:45
where
02:45
you're
02:46
trying
02:46
to
02:46
teach
02:46
the
02:46
dog
02:47
to
02:47
sit
02:48
and
02:48
you
02:48
repeat
02:48
it,
02:48
and
02:49
the
02:49
dog
02:49
looks
02:49
at
02:49
you
02:49
absently
02:50
and
02:50
you
02:50
get
02:51
somewhat
02:51
of
02:51
a
02:51
derpy
02:52
face
02:53
and
02:53
you're
02:53
thinking
02:53
to
02:53
yourself,
02:54
'Oh
02:54
my
02:54
goodness,
02:55
this
02:55
is
02:55
never
02:56
going
02:56
to
02:56
happen.'
02:56
And
02:57
the
02:57
dog
02:57
looks
02:57
away,
02:58
sometimes
02:58
looks
02:58
over
02:59
its
02:59
own
02:59
shoulder
03:00
and
03:00
it
03:00
has
03:00
this
03:01
moment
03:01
of
03:01
thought
03:01
before
03:02
it
03:02
realizes
03:02
'I
03:02
know!'
03:02
and
03:04
suddenly
03:04
it
03:04
sits
03:05
down
03:06
and
03:06
you've
03:06
built
03:06
a
03:07
language
03:07
that
03:07
crosses
03:08
species.
03:09
This
03:09
is
03:10
something
03:11
beyond
03:11
words
03:12
for
03:12
me.
03:12
This
03:13
is
03:13
something
03:13
magnificent.
03:15
And
03:16
honestly
03:17
it's
03:17
the
03:17
best
03:17
part
03:18
of
03:18
every
03:18
single
03:18
day
03:18
for
03:19
me
03:20  Caroline Bartley
We
03:20
very
03:20
much
03:20
want
03:20
this
03:21
to
03:21
be
03:21
as
03:21
interactive
03:21
an
03:22
experience
03:23
as
03:23
possible.
03:23
So
03:24
please
03:24
get
03:24
in
03:25
touch.
03:26
We
03:26
are
03:26
on
03:26
Twitter
03:26
@Talk2ThePawPod.
03:28
That's
03:29
using
03:29
the
03:30
number
03:30
two
03:31
and
03:31
you
03:31
can
03:31
find
03:31
us
03:31
on
03:31
facebook
03:31
@www.facebook.com/Talk2ThePawPod.
03:32
Introductions
03:40
done.
03:40
let's
03:40
get
03:40
down
03:41
to
03:41
business
03:41
and
03:42
time
03:42
for
03:42
the
03:42
first
03:43
of
03:43
our
03:43
regular
03:43
features.
03:44
It's
03:45
The
03:45
Twilight
03:45
Bark.
03:52
So
03:53
what
03:53
news
03:53
story
03:53
has
03:54
caught
03:54
our
03:54
eye?
03:55
Well
03:55
wonder
03:56
no
03:56
more,
03:56
Mail
03:56
Online
03:57
featured
03:58
an
03:58
article
03:59
about
03:59
the
03:59
British
03:59
public
04:00
falling
04:00
out
04:01
of
04:01
love
04:01
with
04:01
the
04:01
Great
04:02
Dane,
04:03
that
04:03
particular
04:03
breed
04:04
popular,
04:04
of
04:05
course,
04:05
thanks
04:06
to
04:06
the
04:06
hugely
04:06
successful
04:08
Scooby
04:08
Doo
04:08
cartoon.
04:09
So
04:10
Scott,
04:11
the
04:11
love
04:11
affair
04:11
is
04:12
no
04:12
more.
04:13
Tell
04:13
us
04:13
why.
04:14  Scott Andrews
Going
04:15
back
04:15
to
04:15
the
04:15
eighties
04:15
when
04:16
Scooby
04:16
Doo
04:16
was
04:16
most
04:16
popular,
04:18
specifically
04:19
1980
04:19
,
04:19
Great
04:20
Danes
04:20
reached
04:20
the
04:20
peak
04:21
of
04:21
their
04:21
popularity
04:22
and
04:22
three
04:22
thousand
04:23
Great
04:23
Danes
04:23
were
04:24
registered
04:24
in
04:24
that
04:24
year.
04:25
Since
04:26
then,
04:26
the
04:26
numbers
04:27
have
04:27
been
04:27
steadily
04:27
declining.
04:28
In
04:29
2019,
04:30
only
04:30
855
04:30
Great
04:32
Danes
04:32
were
04:32
registered
04:32
which
04:33
was
04:33
a
04:33
decline
04:33
of
04:34
about
04:34
69%,
04:35
which
04:36
would
04:36
make
04:36
it
04:36
the
04:36
lowest
04:37
number
04:37
in
04:37
50
04:37
years.
04:39  Caroline Bartley
Could
04:39
you
04:39
just
04:40
clarify
04:41
what
04:41
a
04:42
registration
04:42
is
04:43
and
04:44
the
04:44
significance
04:45
of
04:45
it?
04:46  Scott Andrews
So,
04:46
a
04:47
registration
04:47
is
04:48
when
04:48
a
04:49
pedigree
04:49
puppy
04:49
is
04:49
born,
04:50
so,
04:50
it
04:50
could
04:50
be
04:50
a
04:50
dog
04:50
of
04:51
any
04:51
breed
04:52
that
04:52
you
04:52
have
04:52
to
04:53
register
04:53
the
04:53
dog,
04:53
you
04:53
get
04:53
papers
04:53
from
04:53
the
04:55
Kennel
04:55
Club
04:55
to
04:55
prove
04:56
that
04:56
it's
04:56
full
04:56
pedigree.
04:57
That
04:58
way
04:58
you're
04:58
able
04:58
to
04:59
show
04:59
it
04:59
and
05:00
take
05:00
it
05:00
to
05:00
Crufts
05:00
or
05:01
whatever
05:01
on
05:01
earth
05:01
you
05:01
want
05:02
to
05:02
do
05:02
with
05:02
it.
05:02
So
05:03
essentially
05:03
855
05:05
full
05:05
pedigree
05:06
Great
05:07
Danes
05:08
were
05:08
born
05:08
in
05:08
2019.
05:10  Caroline Bartley
Why
05:10
are
05:10
people
05:11
less
05:11
inclined
05:12
to
05:12
want
05:13
a
05:13
Great
05:13
Dane
05:13
do
05:13
you
05:13
think?
05:15  Scott Andrews
Well,
05:15
the
05:15
most
05:15
obvious
05:16
point
05:16
to
05:16
make
05:17
is
05:17
that
05:17
a
05:17
Great
05:17
Dane
05:17
is
05:18
the
05:18
size
05:18
of
05:18
a
05:18
small
05:19
horse.
05:19
You
05:19
know,
05:20
they
05:20
are
05:20
incredibly
05:21
large
05:21
dogs
05:22
and
05:22
we
05:22
are
05:22
living
05:23
very
05:23
much
05:23
in
05:23
a
05:23
micro
05:23
world.
05:23
Many
05:23
of
05:25
us
05:25
now
05:26
live
05:26
in
05:26
apartments
05:26
and
05:27
flats
05:27
in
05:27
big
05:28
overpopulated
05:28
cities
05:29
and
05:29
we
05:30
simply,
05:30
we
05:30
don't
05:30
have
05:30
the
05:31
space.
05:32
The
05:32
other
05:32
thing
05:32
to
05:32
consider
05:33
is
05:33
that
05:33
Great
05:34
Danes
05:34
were
05:35
a
05:35
hunting
05:35
dog
05:36
of
05:36
t
05:36
ype
05:36
originally,
05:37
they
05:37
were
05:38
used
05:38
to
05:38
hunt
05:38
wild
05:39
boars
05:39
back
05:39
in
05:39
the
05:39
16th
05:40
century,
05:42  Caroline Bartley
Is
05:42
the
05:42
UK
05:42
becoming
05:42
a
05:42
nation
05:43
of
05:43
small
05:44
dog
05:44
lovers?
05:45  Scott Andrews
According
05:45
to
05:46
the
05:46
Kennel
05:46
Club,
05:46
I'd
05:46
say
05:46
no.
05:46
Every
05:48
year
05:48
they
05:49
release
05:49
a
05:49
popular
05:50
breeds
05:50
list
05:50
and
05:50
if
05:50
you
05:50
actually
05:51
look
05:52
at
05:52
the
05:52
very
05:52
top
05:53
of
05:53
it
05:53
would
05:53
be
05:53
Labradors,
05:54
they
05:54
are
05:54
now
05:55
the
05:55
most
05:55
popular
05:55
dog
05:56
within
05:56
the
05:56
UK.
05:57
Similarly,
05:59
there
05:59
is
05:59
a
05:59
endangered
06:00
breed
06:00
list
06:02
and
06:02
actually
06:03
within
06:03
that
06:03
list,
06:04
some
06:04
of
06:04
the
06:05
dogs
06:05
that
06:05
you
06:05
will
06:05
find
06:05
include
06:06
Bloodhounds,
06:06
Irish
06:07
Wolfhounds,
06:09
the
06:09
King
06:09
Charles
06:09
Spaniel,
06:10
the
06:10
Mastiff,
06:10
The
06:11
Field
06:11
Spaniel
06:12
and
06:12
the
06:12
Queen's
06:12
favorite,
06:12
the
06:13
Welsh
06:13
Corgi.
06:14
This
06:15
in
06:15
itself
06:15
is
06:16
a
06:16
great
06:16
mixture,
06:16
a
06:17
great
06:17
difference
06:18
in
06:18
size.
06:18
You
06:19
know,
06:19
there
06:19
are
06:19
big
06:19
dogs
06:19
and
06:20
small
06:20
dogs
06:20
there.
06:21  Caroline Bartley
Okay.
06:21
So
06:21
when
06:22
you
06:22
talk
06:22
about
06:23
endangered
06:24
dogs,
06:25
what
06:26
actually
06:27
defines
06:28
a
06:28
dog
06:29
as
06:29
being
06:29
endangered?
06:31  Scott Andrews
By
06:31
definition,
06:32
it
06:33
refers
06:33
to
06:34
a
06:34
breed
06:34
of
06:34
dog
06:35
where
06:36
less
06:36
than
06:37
300
06:37
puppies
06:37
were
06:38
registered
06:38
with
06:38
the
06:38
Kennel
06:39
Club
06:39
within
06:39
a
06:39
single
06:40
year.
06:41  Caroline Bartley
So,
06:41
going
06:42
back
06:42
to
06:42
our
06:42
friends,
06:43
Scooby
06:43
Doo,
06:43
the
06:43
Great
06:44
Dane.
06:44
Are
06:44
Great
06:45
Danes
06:45
likely
06:46
to
06:46
disappear
06:47
from
06:47
UK
06:48
households
06:49
all
06:49
together,
06:49
bearing
06:50
in
06:50
mind
06:50
everything
06:51
that
06:51
you've
06:52
just
06:52
told
06:52
us?
06:53  Scott Andrews
Well
06:54
to
06:54
put
06:54
into
06:54
context,
06:55
the
06:55
Great
06:56
Dane
06:56
had
06:57
855
06:58
registrations
06:58
in
06:58
2019
07:00
and
07:00
the
07:00
Irish
07:01
Red
07:01
and
07:01
White
07:01
Setter
07:01
had
07:02
only
07:02
39.
07:03
So
07:04
I
07:04
think
07:04
it's
07:04
fair
07:04
to
07:04
say
07:05
that
07:05
contrary
07:05
to
07:06
what
07:06
the
07:06
article
07:06
suggests,
07:06
there's
07:08
no
07:08
chance
07:08
of
07:08
the
07:08
Great
07:09
Dane
07:09
disappearing
07:09
anytime
07:10
soon,
07:23  Caroline Bartley
Time
07:24
for
07:24
the
07:24
science
07:24
bit.
07:25
Here
07:26
on
07:26
Talk2ThePaw,
07:26
we
07:27
know
07:27
you're
07:27
passionate
07:28
about
07:28
dogs
07:29
and
07:30
want
07:30
to
07:30
play
07:30
your
07:30
part
07:31
in
07:31
making
07:31
their
07:31
lives
07:32
better.
07:33
There's
07:33
a
07:33
phenomenal
07:34
amount
07:34
of
07:34
scientific
07:35
research
07:35
being
07:36
done
07:36
to
07:36
aid
07:36
this,
07:37
but
07:37
it's
07:37
not
07:37
making
07:38
its
07:38
way
07:38
into
07:39
the
07:39
public
07:39
domain
07:40
where
07:40
it
07:40
can
07:40
be
07:40
used
07:41
practically.
07:42
So
07:42
in
07:43
this
07:43
section,
07:44
the
07:44
Doggler
07:44
Effect,
07:45
we're
07:45
going
07:45
to
07:46
try
07:46
and
07:46
bust
07:47
some
07:47
myths,
07:47
demist
07:48
those
07:49
lab
07:49
goggles
07:50
and
07:50
make
07:50
this
07:51
doggy
07:51
science
07:52
digestible.
07:53
Scott,
07:54
what's
07:54
the
07:55
topic
07:55
under
07:55
the
07:55
microscope
07:56
this
07:56
time
07:56
round?
07:58  Scott Andrews
I'm
07:58
pretty
07:58
sure
07:58
that
07:59
everybody
07:59
can
08:00
think
08:00
of
08:00
one
08:00
very
08:01
famously
08:01
held
08:02
belief
08:03
about
08:04
dogs
08:04
and
08:04
their
08:05
age.
08:06
Can
08:06
you
08:06
read
08:06
my
08:06
mind,
08:06
Caroline?
08:09  Caroline Bartley
Um
08:09
,
08:09
I'm
08:09
going
08:09
to
08:09
try.
08:09
Um
08:10
,
08:13
the
08:13
common
08:13
assumption
08:14
that
08:14
I
08:14
have,
08:15
and
08:15
I'm
08:15
sure
08:15
many
08:15
other
08:15
people
08:16
will
08:16
have
08:16
as
08:16
well
08:17
for
08:17
aging
08:17
your
08:17
dog,
08:18
is
08:18
that
08:19
it's,
08:20
it's
08:21
one
08:21
dog
08:22
year
08:23
for
08:23
every
08:24
seven
08:25
human
08:26
years.
08:27
Is
08:27
that
08:27
right?
08:27
Have
08:27
I
08:28
got
08:28
that
08:28
the
08:28
right
08:28
way?
08:28
Now
08:28
I'm
08:29
beginning
08:29
to
08:29
doubt
08:29
myself.
08:33  Scott Andrews
I
08:33
would
08:33
rather
08:34
say
08:35
it's
08:35
seven
08:36
human
08:36
years
08:36
to
08:36
every
08:36
dog
08:37
year.
08:37
So,
08:38
for
08:39
instance,
08:39
think
08:40
about
08:40
your
08:40
own
08:40
dog.
08:40
How
08:40
old's
08:40
your
08:40
dog
08:40
now?
08:43  Caroline Bartley
My
08:43
little
08:43
dog
08:44
is
08:44
actually
08:44
she's
08:44
17
08:45
in
08:46
September.
08:47
Oh
08:47
my
08:48
Lord.
08:49
That
08:49
means,
08:50
well,
08:50
she's
08:50
extraordinarily
08:51
old
08:52
anyway,
08:52
but
08:52
,
08:52
but
08:53
even
08:53
more
08:53
extraordinarily
08:54
old,
08:56
if
08:56
my
08:56
calculations
08:57
are
08:57
correct,
08:58
let
08:58
me
08:58
do
08:58
a
08:59
quick
08:59
mental,
09:00
17
09:00
by
09:00
seven.
09:01
That
09:01
is,
09:02
one,
09:02
she's
09:03
119
09:04
years
09:04
old.
09:05  Scott Andrews
Now,
09:05
does
09:06
she
09:06
act
09:06
like
09:06
she's
09:06
119
09:06
years
09:06
old?
09:08  Caroline Bartley
In
09:08
her
09:08
case?
09:08
She
09:09
absolutely
09:09
does.
09:10
God
09:10
bless
09:10
her.
09:10
Yes,
09:11
she
09:11
does.
09:12  Scott Andrews
You
09:12
know,
09:13
interestingly
09:14
enough,
09:14
I
09:14
have
09:14
a
09:14
Scottish
09:15
Terrier.
09:15
Um
09:16
,
09:16
n
09:16
ow
09:16
he
09:16
i
09:17
s
09:17
s
09:17
even
09:17
years
09:17
old,
09:17
which
09:17
would
09:18
make
09:18
him
09:18
49,
09:20
but
09:20
being
09:20
a
09:20
t
09:21
errier
09:21
himself
09:21
an
09:21
d
09:21
a
09:21
particularly
09:22
vocal
09:22
one,
09:24
very
09:24
often,
09:24
he
09:24
sounds
09:25
like
09:25
he's
09:25
80.
09:25
First
09:25
thing
09:27
in
09:27
the
09:27
morning.
09:27
I'm
09:28
greeted
09:28
by
09:31  Caroline Bartley
That
09:32
sounds
09:32
more
09:32
like
09:32
a
09:33
sheep
09:33
than
09:33
a
09:33
dog,
09:33
to
09:34
be
09:34
honest,
09:34
but
09:34
let's
09:35
go
09:35
with
09:35
it.
09:35  Scott Andrews
No,
09:35
no,
09:35
no.
09:36
Sorry
09:36
.
09:36
The
09:36
first
09:36
thing
09:36
in
09:36
the
09:36
morning,
09:37
he
09:37
likes
09:37
to
09:37
begin
09:38
by
09:38
doing
09:38
his
09:38
sheep
09:39
impression.
09:40  Caroline Bartley
Of
09:40
course
09:40
he
09:40
does.
09:41  Scott Andrews
And
09:41
then
09:41
he
09:41
makes
09:42
grumbling
09:42
noises
09:43
all
09:44
day,
09:44
all
09:45
day
09:45
and
09:45
all
09:45
night.
09:46
And
09:46
you
09:46
look
09:46
at
09:46
him
09:46
and
09:46
you
09:47
think
09:47
like,
09:47
you're
09:48
meant
09:48
to
09:48
be
09:48
seven
09:48
years
09:48
old,
09:49
but
09:49
with
09:49
your
09:49
big
09:49
distinguished
09:50
beard
09:51
you're
09:51
acting
09:51
like
09:52
you're
09:52
72.
09:52
Anyway,
09:53
I
09:54
digress
09:54
a
09:54
little
09:55
bit.
09:55
So,
09:56
our
09:56
subject
09:57
going
09:57
back
09:57
to
09:57
it,
09:58
aging.
09:59
Recently,
09:59
there's
10:00
been
10:00
a
10:00
study
10:00
published
10:01
that
10:01
has
10:01
examined
10:01
changes
10:02
in
10:02
dogs
10:02
DNA.
10:04
Now
10:04
it's
10:04
been
10:04
published
10:05
in
10:05
the
10:05
journal
10:05
Cell
10:05
Systems.
10:05
Strap
10:05
in
10:07
people.
10:08
This
10:08
is
10:08
going
10:08
to
10:08
get
10:08
seriously
10:09
nerdy.
10:10  Caroline Bartley
Okay.
10:10
Do
10:11
we
10:11
need
10:11
to
10:11
go
10:11
and
10:12
grab
10:12
a
10:12
cup
10:12
of
10:12
tea?
10:13  Scott Andrews
You
10:13
may
10:13
need
10:13
a
10:14
coffee
10:14
to
10:14
keep
10:14
yourself
10:15
awake.
10:15
I
10:16
will
10:16
try
10:16
to
10:16
make
10:16
it
10:17
as
10:17
simple
10:18
and
10:18
sensible
10:19
as
10:19
possible.
10:20
So
10:20
basically
10:20
in
10:20
this
10:21
study,
10:21
they
10:21
looked
10:22
at
10:22
chemical
10:22
marks
10:22
in
10:23
the
10:23
DNA
10:23
called
10:23
methylation
10:24
marks.
10:26
Now,
10:26
as
10:26
you
10:26
age,
10:26
these
10:27
marks
10:27
change
10:27
and
10:28
they
10:28
control
10:28
growth
10:28
patterns.
10:29
Humans
10:30
have
10:30
them,
10:30
dogs
10:30
have
10:30
them.
10:31
And
10:31
this
10:31
was
10:31
the
10:31
first
10:31
time
10:32
they
10:32
were
10:32
looking
10:32
at
10:32
these
10:33
marks
10:33
in
10:33
dogs
10:34
and
10:34
they
10:34
discovered
10:36
a
10:36
few
10:36
astonishing
10:37
things.
10:38
Primarily,
10:39
it
10:39
was
10:39
the
10:39
fact
10:39
that
10:39
dogs
10:40
age
10:40
very
10:40
quickly
10:41
during
10:41
their
10:41
first
10:41
five
10:41
years
10:42
and
10:42
then
10:42
they
10:43
slow
10:43
down.
10:44
That
10:44
basically
10:44
means
10:46
that
10:46
the
10:46
seven
10:47
year
10:47
myth
10:48
has
10:48
been
10:48
debunked.
10:49  Caroline Bartley
I'm
10:49
sure
10:49
that
10:50
will
10:50
surprise
10:50
a
10:50
lot
10:51
of
10:51
people.
10:51
Did
10:51
this
10:52
study
10:52
give
10:53
or
10:53
suggest
10:54
any
10:54
reason
10:56
why
10:56
these
10:57
first
10:57
five
10:57
years
10:58
of
10:59
a
10:59
dog's
10:59
life
11:00
were
11:01
particularly
11:02
affected
11:03
by
11:03
this?
11:04  Scott Andrews
No,
11:05
no,
11:05
unfortunately
11:05
not.
11:05
The
11:07
study
11:07
didn't
11:08
go
11:08
that
11:08
far.
11:09
What
11:09
I
11:09
can
11:09
tell
11:10
you
11:10
about
11:10
the
11:10
study
11:11
and
11:11
there
11:11
are
11:11
some
11:11
important
11:12
pieces
11:12
of
11:12
information,
11:12
the
11:13
study
11:14
used
11:14
104
11:15
Labrador
11:15
puppies.
11:16
The
11:16
youngest
11:17
was
11:17
just
11:17
a
11:17
few
11:17
weeks
11:17
old.
11:18
The
11:18
oldest
11:19
was
11:19
about
11:19
16
11:20
years.
11:20
I'd
11:21
love
11:21
to
11:21
be
11:21
able
11:22
to
11:22
explain
11:22
the
11:22
calculations
11:23
in
11:23
great
11:24
depth,
11:24
but
11:24
I'm
11:24
not
11:24
Einstein
11:25
or
11:25
Dr.
11:25
Sheldon
11:26
Cooper.
11:27
What
11:27
you
11:27
need
11:27
to
11:28
know
11:28
is
11:28
that
11:28
you
11:28
can
11:28
find
11:29
how
11:29
to
11:29
do
11:29
the
11:29
calculation
11:30
online
11:30
and
11:31
you
11:31
will
11:31
require
11:31
a
11:31
scientific
11:32
calculator.
11:34
But
11:34
what
11:34
I
11:34
can
11:34
tell
11:35
you
11:35
-
11:36
a
11:36
one
11:36
year
11:36
old
11:36
dog
11:37
by
11:38
his
11:38
DNA
11:38
is
11:38
41
11:39
years
11:39
old.
11:41  Caroline Bartley
No!
11:41  Scott Andrews
Yes.
11:41
A
11:42
two
11:42
year
11:43
old,
11:43
sorry,
11:43
a
11:43
three
11:43
year
11:44
old
11:44
dog
11:45
is
11:45
49.
11:48  Caroline Bartley
Okay.
11:48  Scott Andrews
A
11:48
five-year-old
11:49
dog
11:50
is
11:50
60.
11:53  Caroline Bartley
Okay
11:53
now
11:53
even,
11:53
even
11:53
with
11:53
my
11:54
limited
11:55
grasp
11:55
of
11:55
maths,
11:56
this
11:57
is
11:57
making
11:57
no
11:58
sense
11:58
whatsoever.
11:59  Scott Andrews
Just
12:00
wait
12:00
for
12:00
it,
12:00
it
12:01
gets
12:01
better.
12:02
A
12:02
seven
12:02
year
12:02
old
12:03
dog
12:04
is
12:04
62.
12:06  Caroline Bartley
Okay.
12:06  Scott Andrews
And
12:06
a
12:07
12
12:07
year
12:07
old
12:07
dog
12:08
is
12:08
70
12:08
.
12:10  Caroline Bartley
A
12:10
12
12:10
year
12:10
old
12:11
dog
12:11
is...
12:12
Okay.
12:13  Scott Andrews
Yes,
12:13
and
12:13
so,
12:15
you
12:15
have
12:15
to
12:16
keep
12:16
the
12:16
study
12:17
in
12:17
context,
12:17
right?
12:17
This
12:18
is
12:18
specifically
12:18
on
12:18
DNA.
12:20  Caroline Bartley
Okay.
12:20  Scott Andrews
So
12:20
it
12:20
doesn't
12:20
mean
12:21
that
12:21
a
12:21
dog
12:21
behaviorally
12:22
could
12:23
be
12:23
70,
12:24
it's
12:24
just
12:24
by
12:24
the
12:24
dog's
12:25
DNA
12:25
pattern
12:26
that
12:26
the
12:26
dog
12:27
is
12:27
70
12:28
years
12:28
by
12:29
his,
12:29
I
12:29
suppose
12:30
you'd
12:30
call
12:30
it
12:31
his
12:31
genetic
12:31
makeup.
12:32  Caroline Bartley
Okay.
12:32  Scott Andrews
The
12:33
first
12:33
point
12:33
I
12:33
questioned
12:34
about
12:34
this
12:34
when
12:34
I
12:35
saw
12:35
this
12:35
was
12:35
that,
12:36
this
12:36
is
12:36
a
12:36
study
12:37
uniquely
12:37
focused
12:37
on
12:38
Labradors.
12:40  Caroline Bartley
Of
12:40
course,
12:40
yes.
12:40  Scott Andrews
Now
12:40
within
12:41
dogs,
12:41
there
12:42
are
12:42
hundreds
12:42
of
12:42
small
12:42
breeds
12:42
and
12:42
large
12:43
breeds.
12:43  Caroline Bartley
Of
12:43
course,
12:43
yes.
12:43  Scott Andrews
it's
12:44
commonly
12:45
accepted
12:46
that
12:46
small
12:46
breeds
12:47
do
12:47
tend
12:47
to
12:47
live
12:48
shorter
12:48
lives.
12:49
The
12:49
study
12:49
needs
12:50
to
12:50
be
12:50
broader
12:51
for
12:51
us
12:52
to
12:52
really
12:53
know
12:54
how
12:54
accurate
12:55
this
12:55
is.
12:56
Now
12:56
when
12:56
I
12:56
read
12:56
it,
12:57
it
12:57
brought
12:57
me
12:57
back
12:57
to,
12:58
u
12:58
m
12:58
,
12:59
t
12:59
h
12:59
ere's
12:59
a
12:59
study
12:59
ar
13:00
ound
13:00
a
13:00
long
13:00
time
13:00
ago
13:01
now
13:01
probably
13:02
two
13:02
or
13:02
three
13:02
years
13:02
ago.
13:03
In,
13:03
u
13:04
h
13:04
,
13:04
t
13:04
he
13:04
domestic
13:05
dog,
13:06
they
13:06
found
13:07
that
13:08
there's
13:08
a
13:08
great
13:09
difference
13:09
between
13:09
German
13:10
Shepherds,
13:10
ordinary
13:11
dogs
13:11
and
13:11
wolves.
13:12
What
13:12
we
13:13
u
13:13
sed
13:13
to
13:13
refer
13:13
to
13:14
as
13:14
the
13:14
fear
13:15
stage
13:15
in
13:15
a
13:15
do
13:16
g.
13:16
So
13:16
this
13:16
is
13:17
the
13:17
moment
13:18
when
13:18
a
13:18
dog
13:18
goes
13:18
from
13:19
being
13:19
excited
13:19
about
13:20
new
13:20
things
13:20
and
13:20
novel
13:21
items
13:22
to
13:22
being
13:22
afraid
13:22
of
13:23
them.
13:23
Does
13:23
that
13:24
make
13:24
sense?
13:25  Caroline Bartley
Ah-ha
13:25
yeah.
13:25  Scott Andrews
Nowadays,
13:26
scientists
13:27
are
13:27
referring
13:28
to
13:28
it
13:28
as
13:28
the
13:28
avoidance
13:29
of
13:29
novelty.
13:30  Caroline Bartley
The
13:30
avoidance
13:31
of
13:31
novelty?
13:31  Scott Andrews
Yes,
13:32
I
13:33
much
13:33
prefer
13:33
the
13:33
fear
13:33
stage
13:33
as
13:33
it
13:33
makes
13:33
much
13:33
more
13:33
sense.
13:33  Caroline Bartley
Yeah.
13:37  Scott Andrews
Now
13:37
in
13:37
most
13:37
dogs,
13:37
the
13:38
fear
13:38
stage
13:39
doesn't
13:39
begin
13:39
until
13:39
eight
13:40
weeks.
13:41
Okay?
13:41  Caroline Bartley
Okay.
13:41  Scott Andrews
In
13:41
wolves
13:43
six
13:44
weeks.
13:45  Caroline Bartley
So
13:45
earlier
13:45
in
13:45
wolves?
13:45  Scott Andrews
But
13:47
wait
13:47
for
13:47
it.
13:48
I
13:48
do
13:48
hope
13:48
we've
13:49
got
13:49
some
13:49
German
13:49
Shepherd
13:50
owners
13:50
listening.
13:52  Caroline Bartley
I'm
13:52
sure
13:52
we
13:52
have.
13:52  Scott Andrews
Because
13:52
German
13:52
Shepherds
13:53
fear
13:53
stage
13:53
begins
13:54
at
13:54
five
13:54
weeks.
13:55  Caroline Bartley
Oh,
13:56
no.
13:57
Oh
13:57
,
13:57
poppets.
13:59  Scott Andrews
My
13:59
question,
13:59
when
14:00
I
14:00
think
14:01
about
14:01
this
14:01
new
14:01
study
14:02
about
14:02
dog
14:03
ages
14:03
,
14:03
if
14:03
it's
14:04
known
14:04
that
14:04
German
14:05
Shepherds
14:06
mature
14:07
much
14:07
faster
14:09
than
14:09
normal
14:09
dogs,
14:11
this
14:11
study
14:12
on
14:12
Labrador
14:12
DNA
14:13
may
14:13
well
14:13
be
14:13
different
14:14
depending
14:14
on
14:14
the
14:15
breed.
14:16  Caroline Bartley
Yes.
14:16  Scott Andrews
Obviously
14:17
the
14:17
whole
14:17
story
14:18
about
14:18
this
14:18
seven
14:19
year
14:19
myth
14:19
being
14:19
debunked
14:20
has
14:21
been
14:21
picked
14:21
up
14:22
by
14:22
some
14:22
bigger
14:22
papers
14:23
and
14:23
bigger
14:23
magazines
14:24
because
14:24
it's,
14:24
you
14:24
know,
14:25
within
14:26
general
14:26
interest,
14:27
but
14:27
there
14:28
was
14:28
another
14:29
study
14:30
published
14:30
quite
14:30
recently
14:31
that
14:32
hasn't
14:32
gained
14:33
that
14:33
much
14:33
attention.
14:35  Caroline Bartley
Okay.
14:35  Scott Andrews
Now
14:35
this
14:35
was
14:35
by
14:36
Royal
14:36
Society
14:37
Publishing,
14:38
and
14:38
this
14:38
was
14:38
a
14:39
study
14:39
that
14:39
took
14:40
place
14:40
on
14:40
potential
14:40
guide
14:40
dogs.
14:41
Within
14:43
the
14:43
group,
14:43
it
14:43
included
14:44
German
14:44
Shepherds,
14:44
Labradors
14:44
and
14:45
Golden
14:45
Retrievers,
14:46
and
14:47
it
14:47
was
14:47
focused
14:47
upon
14:48
two
14:48
specific
14:49
types
14:49
of
14:49
behavior.
14:50
They
14:50
asked
14:50
the
14:51
caregivers
14:52
of
14:52
the
14:52
dogs
14:53
to
14:53
mark
14:53
the
14:53
d
14:54
ogs
14:54
for
14:54
social
14:55
behaviors,
14:55
such
14:56
as,
14:56
u
14:57
m,
14:56
attachment.
14:57
Does
14:58
the
14:58
dog
14:59
seek
14:59
attention
14:59
from
15:00
the
15:00
owner?
15:01
Does
15:01
the
15:01
dog
15:01
sit
15:02
very
15:02
close?
15:02
Does
15:03
it
15:03
have
15:03
a
15:03
strong
15:03
bond
15:03
with
15:04
someone
15:04
in
15:04
the
15:04
house?
15:05
Additionally,
15:06
they
15:06
a
15:07
sked
15:07
them
15:07
to
15:07
mark
15:07
them
15:07
for
15:07
separation
15:08
behaviors,
15:09
such
15:10
as
15:10
shivering
15:10
when
15:11
they're
15:11
alone
15:12
or
15:12
trembling
15:12
when
15:13
the
15:13
owner
15:13
goes
15:13
out.
15:15
And
15:15
what
15:15
they
15:15
discovered
15:16
was
15:16
that
15:16
w
15:16
ith
15:17
dogs
15:17
who
15:17
scored
15:18
high
15:18
on
15:18
either
15:19
s
15:19
cale
15:20
entered
15:21
puberty
15:21
a
15:21
t
15:21
five
15:22
months
15:23  Caroline Bartley
Entered
15:24
puberty?
15:24  Scott Andrews
Puberty.
15:25  Caroline Bartley
I
15:26
wasn't
15:26
aware
15:27
that
15:27
dogs
15:27
went
15:28
through
15:28
puberty.
15:29  Scott Andrews
Dogs
15:29
go
15:30
through
15:31
almost
15:31
every
15:31
period
15:33
that
15:33
humans
15:33
do.
15:34
They
15:34
share
15:34
some
15:34
of
15:35
the
15:35
same
15:35
,
15:36
um,
15:36
disorders
15:37
that
15:37
we
15:37
do.
15:37
Dogs,
15:38
for
15:38
example,
15:38
can
15:39
experience
15:39
obsessive
15:40
compulsive
15:40
disorder
15:41
and
15:41
a
15:41
myriad
15:42
of
15:42
other
15:42
problems
15:43
that
15:43
you
15:43
see
15:43
more
15:44
often
15:44
in
15:44
humans,
15:45
but
15:45
it
15:45
wasn't
15:46
unique
15:46
about
15:46
the
15:46
dogs
15:47
going
15:47
through
15:47
puberty.
15:48
What
15:48
was
15:48
unique
15:48
that
15:48
the
15:49
dogs
15:49
with
15:49
the
15:49
high
15:49
scores
15:50
went
15:50
through
15:50
puberty
15:50
at
15:51
five
15:51
months,
15:52
but
15:52
the
15:52
dogs
15:52
with
15:52
low
15:53
scores
15:53
on
15:53
either
15:54
scale
15:54
went
15:55
through
15:55
at
15:55
eight
15:56
months.
15:57
Why
15:57
is
15:57
this