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In this episode we discuss Coronavirus and its impact on dogs, canines' ability to utilise the Earth's magnetic field, we tackle a listener question on dog aggression, look at a new 'mind-reading' gadget and celebrate another truly remarkable Wagtastic Woof.

Can facemasks protect your dog during the Coronavirus pandemic or is it just another poorly conceived internet trend? Can dogs catch Covid 19? In The Twilight Bark we discuss these questions and look at a report that suggests a worrying future for our canine companions.

Do dogs have a secret inner compass?  In the Doggler Effect we examine two studies that explore our four-legged friends' ability to harness the Earth's magnetic field.

We open our Letterbox for the first time and consider an age-old question about dog aggression that has come to us all the way from the Netherlands.

Is there really a gadget that can help us decipher our mutts' moods? In Gadgets, Gizmos and Gastronomy we take a look at the evolution of activity trackers in a competitive marketplace.

And our Wagtastic Woof has been chosen to celebrate the recent International Assistance Dog Week.  Tune in and find out more!


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 2020-08-09  36m
 
 
00:00  Caroline Bartley
Hello
00:16
and
00:16
welcome
00:16
to
00:16
Talk2ThePaw.
00:17
A
00:18
podcast
00:19
that
00:19
celebrates
00:20
d
00:20
ogs
00:20
for
00:20
simply
00:21
being
00:21
wagtastic.
00:21
I'm
00:23
Caroline
00:24
Bartley,
00:24
and
00:25
in
00:25
each
00:25
dogcast,
00:26
I,
00:26
along
00:27
with
00:27
canine
00:27
nerd
00:27
Scott
00:27
Andrews
00:29
will
00:29
bring
00:29
you
00:29
the
00:30
latest
00:30
pooch
00:30
related
00:31
news
00:31
and
00:31
research
00:32
as
00:32
well
00:33
as
00:33
discussing
00:33
how
00:34
and
00:34
why
00:34
these
00:35
fabulous
00:36
animals
00:36
m
00:37
ake
00:37
such
00:37
a
00:37
huge
00:37
contribution
00:38
to
00:39
our
00:39
lives.
00:40
Like
00:40
a
00:40
band
00:41
embarking
00:41
on
00:41
that
00:42
difficult
00:42
second
00:42
album,
00:43
we're
00:43
back
00:44
for
00:44
our
00:44
slightly
00:45
less
00:46
tricky
00:46
second
00:46
podcast.
00:47
Thank
00:48
you
00:48
to
00:49
everyone
00:49
who
00:49
got
00:49
in
00:49
touch
00:50
following
00:50
the
00:50
pilot
00:51
episode.
00:51
And
00:52
remember,
00:52
if
00:53
you
00:53
want
00:53
to
00:53
Talk2ThePaw,
00:54
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01:00
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01:00
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01:00
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01:01
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01:01
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01:01
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01:02
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01:02
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01:02
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01:02
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01:02
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01:02
Time
01:07
to
01:07
release
01:08
the
01:08
hounds
01:09
and
01:09
dive
01:09
right
01:09
into
01:10
the
01:10
first
01:10
of
01:10
our
01:11
regular
01:11
features.
01:12
It's
01:12
the
01:12
Twilight
01:13
bark.
01:20
So
01:20
what
01:20
news
01:20
story
01:21
has
01:21
caught
01:22
our
01:22
eye?
01:22
Well,
01:23
we
01:23
managed
01:24
to
01:24
get
01:24
through
01:24
one
01:24
dogcast
01:25
without
01:25
mentioning
01:26
the
01:26
other
01:27
C
01:27
word,
01:28
Coronavirus,
01:29
but
01:29
we
01:29
couldn't
01:29
ignore
01:30
it
01:30
any
01:30
longer.
01:31
The
01:31
Mirror
01:32
revealed
01:32
how
01:33
animal
01:33
experts
01:33
are
01:34
urging
01:34
pet
01:34
owners
01:34
not
01:35
to
01:36
use
01:36
masks
01:36
or
01:37
face
01:37
coverings
01:37
on
01:38
their
01:38
dogs.
01:39
Social
01:39
media
01:40
is
01:40
awash
01:40
with
01:40
snaps
01:41
of
01:41
people
01:41
proudly
01:42
showing
01:42
their
01:42
pets,
01:43
wearing
01:43
such
01:43
coverings,
01:44
hoping
01:45
it'll
01:45
protect
01:45
the
01:45
animal
01:46
against
01:46
COVID-19,
01:48
but
01:48
vets
01:48
are
01:48
warning
01:48
the
01:49
practice
01:49
causes
01:50
huge
01:50
stress
01:51
and
01:51
actually
01:52
impairs
01:52
canine
01:52
breathing.
01:53
Scott
01:55
pro-mask,
01:56
or
01:56
anti-mask
01:57
for
01:58
your
01:58
dog?
01:58  Scott Andrews
Sometimes
01:59
I
01:59
can't
01:59
believe
02:00
how
02:00
much
02:00
stupid
02:01
there
02:01
is
02:01
in
02:01
the
02:01
world.
02:01
Picture
02:01
this,
02:01
okay?
02:02
You've
02:04
got
02:04
a
02:04
German
02:04
Shepherd,
02:05
heart
02:05
surgeon.
02:06
There
02:06
he
02:06
is
02:07
in
02:07
the
02:07
o
02:07
perating
02:07
theatre.
02:07
And
02:08
he
02:09
turns
02:09
to
02:09
his
02:09
OR
02:09
nurse
02:10
a
02:10
nd
02:10
he
02:10
says,
02:11
"Nurse,
02:12
p
02:12
ass
02:12
me
02:12
the
02:12
scalpel,"
02:13
and
02:13
the
02:13
nurse
02:14
leans
02:14
o
02:14
ver,
02:14
sweat
02:14
dripping
02:15
from
02:15
her
02:15
brow,
02:16
offers
02:16
him
02:16
the
02:16
scalpel,
02:17
and
02:18
he
02:18
says,
02:19
"Hold
02:19
on
02:19
a
02:19
minute,
02:19
I
02:20
don't
02:20
h
02:20
ave
02:20
o
02:21
pposable
02:21
thumbs."
02:22
There
02:22
are
02:22
some
02:23
things
02:23
that
02:23
dogs
02:24
can't
02:24
do
02:25
because
02:25
of
02:25
their
02:25
anatomy.
02:26
And
02:26
one
02:26
of
02:26
them
02:27
is
02:27
wear
02:27
a
02:28
bloody
02:28
mask.
02:28
You
02:28
know
02:30
you
02:30
see
02:30
these
02:30
pictures.
02:32
And
02:32
you,
02:32
the
02:32
first
02:33
thing
02:33
that
02:33
always
02:34
gets
02:34
me
02:34
is
02:34
dogs
02:35
have
02:35
ears
02:36
on
02:36
top
02:36
of
02:36
their
02:36
head.
02:37
We
02:37
have
02:37
ears
02:37
on
02:38
the
02:38
side
02:38
of
02:38
the
02:38
head.
02:39
Do
02:39
you
02:39
know
02:39
why?
02:42  Caroline Bartley
I'm
02:42
almost
02:42
thinking
02:43
there's
02:43
a
02:43
joke
02:43
coming
02:44
in
02:44
here
02:44
somewhere,
02:45
but
02:45
I
02:45
can't
02:45
quite
02:46
think
02:46
what
02:46
it
02:46
is,
02:47
but
02:47
I
02:48
take
02:48
your
02:48
point.
02:49
Yes.
02:49
Anatomically,
02:50
the
02:51
facial
02:51
structure
02:52
is
02:53
very
02:53
different,
02:54
but
02:55
you
02:55
asked
02:55
me
02:55
a
02:55
question
02:56
and
02:56
I
02:56
don't
02:56
know
02:56
the
02:57
answer.
02:57
So
02:57
tell
02:57
me
02:57
the
02:57
answer.
03:00  Scott Andrews
Dogs
03:00
ears
03:00
rotate.
03:00
For
03:00
sound,
03:00
they
03:00
display
03:00
emotion,
03:01
it
03:01
gives
03:02
them
03:02
better
03:02
coverage
03:02
of
03:03
what's
03:03
around
03:03
them.
03:05  Caroline Bartley
Okay,
03:05
I
03:05
didn't
03:05
know
03:05
that.
03:05  Scott Andrews
So
03:05
you
03:05
imagine
03:05
if
03:05
their
03:05
ears
03:05
are
03:06
on
03:06
the
03:06
side
03:06
of
03:06
the
03:06
head
03:07
and
03:07
they
03:07
started
03:07
rotating,
03:08
half
03:09
the
03:09
time
03:09
they'd
03:09
be
03:09
pointing
03:09
straight
03:10
up
03:10
o
03:10
r
03:10
straight
03:10
down
03:11
which
03:11
would
03:11
be
03:12
absolutely
03:13
useless.
03:14
Y
03:14
ou
03:14
k
03:14
now
03:14
you
03:15
ask
03:15
yourself
03:15
how
03:16
o
03:16
n
03:16
earth
03:16
are
03:16
these
03:16
people
03:17
securing
03:17
the
03:17
masks
03:18
to
03:18
the
03:18
dog's
03:18
face.
03:19
Most
03:19
masks
03:20
a
03:20
re
03:20
fabric
03:21
and
03:21
t
03:21
hey
03:21
have
03:21
these
03:22
almost
03:22
like
03:22
a
03:22
elastic
03:23
c
03:23
ords
03:24
that
03:24
go
03:24
around
03:24
your
03:24
ears.
03:24  Caroline Bartley
Yeah,
03:24
little
03:24
elasticated
03:25
bands
03:26
at
03:26
the
03:26
side,
03:26
yeah.
03:27  Scott Andrews
If
03:27
there's
03:27
no
03:28
way
03:28
to
03:28
secure
03:28
them
03:29
on
03:29
the
03:29
back
03:30
of
03:30
the
03:30
dog's
03:30
head,
03:31
they
03:31
can
03:31
only
03:31
be
03:31
tying
03:32
them.
03:32
This
03:32
is
03:33
where
03:33
things
03:33
get
03:33
extremely
03:34
troubling.
03:35
First
03:36
of
03:36
all,
03:37
so
03:37
the
03:37
dog
03:37
is
03:38
feeling
03:39
a
03:39
mask
03:39
being
03:39
forced
03:40
over
03:40
its
03:40
face
03:41  Caroline Bartley
From
03:42
a
03:42
canine's
03:42
perspective.
03:44
I
03:44
would
03:44
imagine
03:45
that
03:45
would
03:45
be
03:46
incredibly
03:46
frightening.
03:47  Scott Andrews
Absolutely,
03:47
because
03:49
going
03:49
back
03:49
to
03:49
Dr.
03:50
German
03:50
Shepherd,
03:51
they
03:51
don't
03:51
have
03:51
opposable
03:51
thumbs,
03:52
so
03:52
removing
03:53
the
03:53
mask
03:54
proves
03:54
to
03:54
be
03:54
rather
03:54
problematic.
03:55
So
03:56
you
03:56
have
03:56
this
03:56
mask
03:57
clamped
03:57
to
03:57
your
03:57
face,
03:58
often
03:58
for
03:59
a
03:59
photo
03:59
opportunity.
04:00
You
04:00
can't
04:00
scratch
04:01
it,
04:01
if
04:01
you
04:01
scratch
04:01
it,
04:02
cause
04:02
it's
04:02
secured
04:02
on
04:02
elasticated
04:02
cords,
04:04
it
04:04
doesn't
04:04
actually
04:05
move.
04:06
So
04:06
it
04:06
causes
04:06
the
04:06
dogs
04:07
to
04:07
start
04:07
to
04:07
panic,
04:08
much
04:08
like
04:08
us
04:09
the
04:09
heart
04:09
rate
04:10
increases.
04:11
And
04:11
with
04:11
that
04:12
comes
04:12
a
04:12
rise
04:13
in
04:13
temperature
04:13
,
04:14
an
04:14
increase
04:15
level
04:15
of
04:15
stress.
04:16
Do
04:16
you
04:16
remember
04:16
last
04:17
episode,
04:18
we
04:18
were
04:18
talking
04:19
about
04:20
what
04:20
dogs
04:21
do
04:21
to
04:21
cool
04:22
themselves
04:22
down?
04:23  Caroline Bartley
Is
04:23
this
04:23
a
04:23
test
04:24
of
04:24
how
04:24
good
04:24
my
04:25
memory
04:25
is
04:26
from
04:26
the
04:26
last
04:26
episode?
04:27
Dogs
04:28
cool
04:28
themselves
04:28
down.
04:30
Um,
04:30
they
04:31
sweat
04:32
through
04:32
their
04:33
paw
04:33
pads
04:34
and
04:35
they
04:35
also
04:35
pant.
04:36
So
04:36
you'll
04:36
see
04:37
them
04:37
with
04:37
their,
04:38
with
04:38
their
04:38
mouths
04:38
open,
04:39
and
04:40
obviously
04:40
their
04:41
rate
04:41
of
04:41
breathing
04:42
is
04:42
increasing,
04:42
so
04:43
they're
04:43
panting.
04:44  Scott Andrews
Right,
04:44
now
04:45
you
04:46
imagine
04:46
you're
04:47
stressed,
04:47
you're
04:47
feeling
04:48
hot.
04:49
The
04:49
only
04:49
way
04:49
you
04:49
can
04:50
cool
04:50
yourself
04:50
down
04:50
is
04:51
breathing
04:51
with
04:51
an
04:51
open
04:51
mouth
04:52
and
04:52
someone
04:53
ties
04:53
a
04:53
mask
04:54
to
04:54
your
04:54
face.
04:55  Caroline Bartley
Okay.
04:55
That's
04:55
not
04:56
going
04:56
to
04:56
work.
04:57  Scott Andrews
No,
04:57
it's
04:57
going
04:57
to
04:58
add
04:58
to
04:58
the
04:58
stress
04:59
and
04:59
the
04:59
panic.
05:00
And
05:00
generally
05:01
all
05:02
you're
05:02
serving
05:02
to
05:02
achieve
05:03
is
05:03
terrifying
05:04
your
05:04
dog
05:05
in
05:05
order
05:05
to
05:05
get
05:06
an
05:06
Instagram
05:07
picture.
05:08  Caroline Bartley
Yeah,
05:08
I
05:08
can
05:09
imagine
05:09
how
05:10
strange
05:10
that
05:10
must
05:10
be
05:11
because
05:11
out
05:12
shopping
05:12
the
05:13
other
05:13
day,
05:13
obviously
05:14
the
05:15
wearing
05:15
of
05:16
face
05:16
masks,
05:17
coverings,
05:18
compulsory
05:18
now.
05:19
And
05:19
I
05:20
must
05:20
admit
05:20
for
05:21
the
05:21
first
05:21
time,
05:22
since
05:22
the
05:23
pandemic
05:23
started,
05:24
I
05:24
actually
05:25
had,
05:25
I
05:25
guess
05:26
what
05:26
I
05:26
presume
05:27
to
05:27
be,
05:28
like
05:28
a
05:28
little
05:29
panic
05:29
attack.
05:30
I
05:30
don't
05:30
know
05:30
whether
05:30
it's
05:31
because
05:32
the
05:32
mask
05:32
that
05:32
I
05:33
was
05:33
wearing,
05:33
I
05:33
just,
05:34
it
05:34
was
05:34
off
05:34
by
05:35
a
05:35
few
05:35
degrees,
05:36
but
05:36
genuinely
05:37
I
05:37
put
05:38
this
05:38
mask
05:38
on
05:39
and
05:39
I
05:39
felt
05:40
like
05:40
I
05:40
couldn't
05:41
breathe.
05:41
And
05:42
just
05:42
for
05:43
that
05:43
brief
05:43
instant,
05:44
that
05:44
30
05:44
seconds,
05:45
that
05:45
minute,
05:46
it
05:46
was
05:47
incredibly
05:48
terrifying.
05:49  Scott Andrews
Could
05:49
you
05:49
have
05:49
removed
05:49
the
05:50
mask?
05:51  Caroline Bartley
Oh
05:51
god,
05:51
yes,
05:51
absolutely.
05:52  Scott Andrews
So
05:52
you
05:53
have
05:53
opposable
05:53
thumbs?
05:55  Caroline Bartley
Yes
05:55
last
05:55
time
05:55
I
05:55
looked.
05:55  Scott Andrews
And
05:57
y
05:57
ou
05:57
have
05:57
e
05:57
ars
05:57
on
05:58
the
05:58
side
05:58
of
05:58
your
05:58
head?
06:00  Caroline Bartley
Some
06:00
people
06:01
describe
06:01
them
06:01
as
06:01
elvin
06:01
ears,
06:02
but
06:02
yes,
06:02
they
06:03
are
06:03
ears
06:03
of
06:03
sorts.
06:05  Scott Andrews
So
06:05
you
06:05
have
06:05
all
06:05
the
06:06
ingredients,
06:06
one
06:07
to
06:07
ensure
06:07
that
06:08
the
06:08
mask
06:08
sits
06:08
more
06:09
comfortably.
06:10
Two
06:10
you're
06:10
able
06:10
to
06:11
remove
06:11
it.
06:11
How
06:12
would
06:12
you
06:12
feel
06:12
if
06:13
it
06:13
was
06:13
tightly
06:14
wrapped
06:14
around
06:14
your
06:14
head
06:15
and
06:15
you
06:15
couldn't
06:15
remove
06:16
it?
06:16  Caroline Bartley
I
06:16
couldn't
06:16
even
06:17
begin
06:17
to
06:18
imagine
06:18
the
06:18
level
06:18
of
06:19
distress
06:19
that
06:19
that
06:19
might
06:20
cause
06:20
.
06:20  Scott Andrews
So
06:21
I'm
06:21
asking
06:22
each
06:22
and
06:22
every
06:22
one
06:22
of
06:22
you.
06:23
I
06:23
know
06:23
it
06:24
might
06:24
be
06:24
amusing
06:24
for
06:24
a
06:25
picture
06:25
,
06:25
but
06:26
your
06:26
dog
06:27
won't
06:27
think
06:27
so.
06:27  Caroline Bartley
In
06:27
general
06:28
then
06:28
Scott
06:29
,
06:29
um,
06:29
the
06:30
medical
06:30
advice,
06:31
the
06:31
veterinary
06:32
advice,
06:32
if
06:32
you
06:33
will,
06:33
regarding
06:34
coronavirus
06:35
and
06:36
dogs,
06:37
is
06:37
there
06:37
much
06:38
out
06:38
there
06:38
in
06:38
the
06:38
public
06:39
domain
06:39
at
06:40
the
06:40
moment?
06:40
What's
06:40
the
06:40
situation?
06:42  Scott Andrews
This
06:42
is
06:42
a
06:42
particularly
06:43
sore
06:43
point
06:43
because
06:44
in
06:44
the
06:45
past
06:45
week
06:45
or
06:46
so,
06:46
there's
06:47
been
06:47
a
06:47
story
06:47
that
06:48
has
06:48
come
06:48
across
06:48
from
06:49
America
06:50
about
06:50
a
06:50
dog
06:50
dying
06:51
from
06:52
coronavirus
06:52
.
06:53  Caroline Bartley
Okay.
06:53  Scott Andrews
You
06:53
see
06:53
the
06:53
link
06:54
everywhere.
06:54
When
06:55
you
06:55
actually
06:55
click
06:55
on
06:55
the
06:56
link
06:56
and
06:57
you
06:57
give
06:57
in
06:57
to
06:57
the
06:57
clickbait,
06:58
you
06:58
actually
06:58
find
06:59
that
06:59
the
06:59
dog
06:59
died
06:59
of
06:59
cancer.
07:00
When
07:00
I
07:00
read
07:01
this
07:01
story,
07:01
I
07:01
thought
07:02
to
07:02
myself,
07:02
well,
07:03
you
07:03
know,
07:03
I'd
07:03
like
07:04
to
07:04
know
07:04
exactly
07:05
what
07:05
coronavirus
07:05
could
07:06
do
07:06
to
07:06
our
07:06
dogs.
07:07
So
07:07
I
07:07
started
07:08
looking
07:08
for
07:09
what
07:09
you'd
07:09
consider
07:09
to
07:10
be
07:10
authorities
07:11
on
07:11
pet
07:11
health.
07:12
So
07:12
the
07:12
RSPCA,
07:14
the
07:14
American
07:15
Kennel
07:15
Club,
07:15
the
07:16
Humane
07:16
Society.
07:17
I
07:17
couldn't
07:17
find
07:18
anyone
07:18
willing
07:19
to
07:19
actually
07:19
speak
07:20
up
07:20
on
07:22
coronavirus
07:22
until
07:22
I
07:22
got
07:23
to
07:23
the
07:23
website
07:24
of
07:24
the
07:24
UK
07:24
Kennel
07:25
Club.
07:25  Caroline Bartley
Okay.
07:26
So
07:26
there
07:26
is
07:27
something
07:27
out
07:27
there.
07:28  Scott Andrews
There
07:28
is,
07:29
but
07:29
you
07:29
have
07:29
to
07:29
hunt
07:30
it
07:30
out.
07:31  Caroline Bartley
All
07:31
right
07:31
.
07:31
Um,
07:31
what
07:32
are
07:32
the,
07:33
the
07:33
Kennel
07:33
Club?
07:34
And
07:34
you
07:34
said,
07:34
this
07:34
is
07:34
the
07:34
UK
07:35
Kennel
07:35
Club.
07:36
Is
07:36
that
07:36
right?
07:37  Scott Andrews
Yes.
07:37  Caroline Bartley
Okay,
07:37
and
07:37
what
07:38
is
07:38
it
07:38
that
07:38
they're
07:38
saying?
07:39  Scott Andrews
Now
07:39
there
07:39
brightest
07:39
vets
07:40
say
07:41
that
07:42
coronavirus,
07:43
dogs
07:44
cannot
07:44
catch
07:44
it.
07:45
They
07:45
can
07:45
only
07:45
become
07:46
contaminated
07:47
by
07:47
it.
07:48
So
07:48
in
07:48
the
07:48
sense
07:48
the
07:48
virus
07:49
doesn't
07:49
impact
07:49
their
07:49
health,
07:50
but
07:51
they're
07:51
testing
07:51
positive
07:52
because
07:52
their
07:52
fur
07:54
might
07:54
have
07:54
come
07:54
into
07:54
contact
07:55
with
07:55
a
07:55
surface
07:56
that
07:56
someone
07:56
with
07:57
coronavirus
07:57
has
07:57
touched.
07:58  Caroline Bartley
Okay.
07:58  
Or
07:58
they
07:58
may
07:58
have
07:59
breathed
07:59
the
08:00
air
08:00
that
08:00
someone
08:01
with
08:01
coronavirus
08:01
has
08:02
done.
08:02
The
08:02
most
08:02
important
08:03
thing
08:03
to
08:04
remember
08:05
is
08:05
that
08:06
as
08:06
of,
08:06
yet,
08:07
dogs
08:07
have
08:07
not
08:08
shown
08:08
any
08:08
signs
08:09
of
08:09
infection.
08:09  Caroline Bartley
But
08:10
I
08:10
would
08:10
imagine
08:11
because
08:12
everyone
08:12
listening
08:13
to
08:13
the
08:13
podcast,
08:14
the
08:14
science
08:15
and
08:16
the
08:16
medical
08:17
advice
08:17
around
08:19
coronavirus
08:19
and
08:19
how
08:20
we
08:20
as
08:20
a
08:20
human
08:20
population
08:21
deal
08:21
with
08:22
it,
08:22
is
08:22
changing
08:23
all
08:23
the
08:23
time
08:23
as
08:25
scientists
08:26
and
08:26
medical
08:26
experts
08:27
become
08:27
more
08:27
aware
08:28
of
08:29
how
08:30
the
08:30
virus
08:31
impacts
08:32
the
08:32
human
08:32
body
08:33
and
08:33
the
08:33
potential
08:33
longterm
08:34
effects
08:35
of
08:35
that.
08:35
So,
08:36
would
08:36
it
08:37
be
08:37
fair
08:37
to
08:37
assume
08:38
that
08:38
as
08:39
time
08:39
progresses,
08:40
perhaps
08:40
vets,
08:41
canine
08:41
organizations
08:43
like
08:45
you've
08:45
mentioned,
08:45
the
08:45
UK
08:46
Kennel
08:46
Club,
08:47
advice
08:47
will
08:47
be
08:47
more
08:48
forthcoming,
08:49
simply
08:50
as
08:50
knowledge
08:51
becomes
08:52
greater?
08:52  Scott Andrews
You
08:52
would
08:52
imagine
08:52
so.
08:52
You
08:54
know
08:54
,
08:54
I'm
08:54
someone
08:54
who
08:55
very
08:55
much
08:55
believes
08:56
in
08:56
data
08:57
and
08:57
research,
08:58
in
08:58
science
08:58
as
08:58
it
08:59
is.
08:59
And
09:00
when
09:00
you
09:00
believe
09:00
in
09:00
science
09:00
you
09:01
must
09:01
be
09:01
prepared
09:02
to
09:02
change
09:03
your
09:03
belief
09:03
or
09:04
your
09:04
position
09:05
when
09:05
new
09:05
evidence
09:05
is
09:06
available.
09:07
I'm
09:07
sure
09:08
eventually
09:09
there'll
09:10
be
09:10
more
09:10
information
09:11
that
09:11
will
09:11
come
09:11
out
09:11
in
09:11
time.
09:12
I
09:12
know
09:13
prior
09:13
to
09:13
this
09:13
dog
09:14
in
09:14
America,
09:14
there
09:14
were
09:15
stories
09:15
of
09:15
two
09:15
dogs
09:16
in
09:16
Hong
09:16
Kong,
09:16
and
09:17
I'm
09:17
sure
09:18
there
09:18
must
09:18
be
09:18
other
09:18
examples
09:19
that
09:19
haven't
09:19
filtered
09:20
through
09:20
to
09:20
the
09:21
English
09:22
speaking
09:22
media.
09:23
All
09:23
we
09:23
can
09:23
do
09:23
at
09:24
the
09:24
moment
09:24
is
09:25
try
09:25
to
09:25
protect
09:26
and
09:26
care
09:26
for
09:26
our
09:27
pets
09:27
the
09:27
best
09:28
way
09:28
we
09:28
can.
09:29
And
09:29
that
09:29
means
09:30
no,
09:31
they
09:31
don't
09:31
need
09:31
a
09:32
mask.
09:33
Yes,
09:33
you
09:34
should
09:34
still
09:34
social
09:34
distance
09:35
when
09:35
you're
09:35
on
09:36
a
09:36
walk
09:36
with
09:36
your
09:36
dog.
09:37
Third
09:37
and
09:37
final,
09:38
you
09:38
should
09:39
keep
09:39
washing
09:39
your
09:39
hands
09:40
because
09:40
remember,
09:41
you
09:41
might
09:42
go
09:42
to
09:42
work,
09:42
you
09:42
might
09:43
go
09:43
out,
09:43
you
09:43
might
09:43
go
09:43
shopping.
09:43
You
09:44
might
09:44
touch
09:45
this,
09:45
that,
09:45
and
09:45
the
09:45
other.
09:46
What's
09:46
the
09:46
first
09:47
thing
09:47
you
09:47
do
09:47
when
09:47
you
09:47
come
09:48
home
09:48
before
09:48
you
09:49
wash
09:49
your
09:49
hands?
09:49  Caroline Bartley
Well
09:49
I
09:50
know
09:50
certainly
09:50
the
09:50
first
09:51
thing
09:51
that
09:51
happens
09:51
in
09:52
my
09:52
house
09:53
is
09:53
whenever
09:53
you
09:53
come
09:54
through
09:54
the
09:54
door
09:54
you're
09:54
usually
09:55
greeted
09:55
by
09:55
a
09:56
flurry
09:56
of
09:57
fur
09:57
.
09:57  Scott Andrews
And
09:57
that's
09:57
the
09:57
one
09:58
behavior
09:58
more
09:59
important
09:59
than
09:59
any
10:00
that
10:00
we
10:00
have
10:00
to
10:00
change
10:01
in
10:01
the
10:01
short
10:01
term.
10:02
Please,
10:02
when
10:02
you
10:02
come
10:03
home
10:03
,
10:03
go
10:03
and
10:03
wash
10:04
your
10:04
hands,
10:04
or
10:04
if
10:04
you've
10:04
got
10:05
hand
10:05
sanitizer
10:06
with
10:06
you,
10:06
put
10:07
your
10:07
hand
10:07
sanitizer
10:08
on
10:08
before
10:08
you
10:08
say
10:09
hello
10:09
to
10:09
your
10:09
dogs
10:09
,
10:09
because
10:10
we
10:10
do
10:10
know
10:11
that
10:11
traces
10:11
of
10:12
coronavirus
10:12
has
10:13
been
10:13
found
10:13
in
10:13
dogs
10:14
for
10:14
,
10:14  Caroline Bartley
So
10:15
following
10:15
on
10:15
from
10:15
the
10:16
COVID
10:16
fallout
10:16
,
10:17
um,
10:18
another
10:18
piece
10:18
of
10:19
news
10:19
that
10:19
caught
10:20
our
10:20
eye
10:20
this
10:20
week,
10:21
the
10:21
dog's
10:21
trust
10:22
highlighting
10:22
how
10:23
the
10:24
financial
10:25
fallout
10:25
from
10:26
the
10:26
pandemic
10:27
could
10:27
result
10:28
in
10:28
an
10:28
increase
10:29
in
10:29
animals
10:29
being
10:30
euthanized
10:30
or
10:31
put
10:31
up
10:31
for
10:32
rehoming.
10:33
Now
10:33
the
10:33
trust
10:34
referenced
10:34
the
10:35
global
10:35
financial
10:35
crash
10:36
of
10:36
2008,
10:36
when
10:38
it
10:38
saw
10:38
a
10:38
25%
10:39
rise
10:40
in
10:40
the
10:40
number
10:41
of
10:41
abandoned
10:41
dogs
10:42
and
10:42
alarmingly,
10:43
a
10:43
25%
10:44
rise
10:45
in
10:45
the
10:45
number
10:46
of
10:46
dogs
10:47
being
10:47
put
10:47
to
10:47
sleep.
10:48
Now,
10:48
Scott,
10:49
these
10:49
are
10:49
obviously
10:50
incredibly
10:50
distressing
10:51
and
10:51
incredibly
10:52
worrying
10:53
figures,
10:54
but
10:54
how
10:54
worried
10:55
should
10:55
we
10:55
be?
10:56  Scott Andrews
In
10:56
the
10:56
UK,
10:56
there
10:57
are
10:58
an
10:58
estimated
10:58
10
10:59
million
10:59
dogs.
10:59
The
11:00
dogs
11:00
trust
11:00
report
11:01
suggests
11:02
that
11:02
40,000
11:03
dogs
11:03
could
11:04
become
11:04
homeless
11:05
due
11:05
to
11:05
coronavirus.
11:07
So
11:07
considerably
11:08
that
11:08
is
11:08
a
11:08
lot
11:09
less
11:09
than
11:09
1%.
11:10
Obviously
11:11
we
11:11
shouldn't
11:11
dismiss
11:12
this
11:12
report.
11:13
Everybody
11:13
has
11:13
been
11:14
going
11:14
through
11:14
a
11:14
troubling
11:15
time,
11:15
with
11:16
being
11:16
furloughed,
11:17
with
11:17
financial
11:18
insecurity.
11:19
And
11:19
even
11:19
for
11:19
the
11:19
dogs
11:20
themselves,
11:20
it
11:20
has
11:21
been
11:21
a
11:21
very
11:21
confusing
11:22
time,
11:22
but
11:22
I'll
11:23
come
11:23
back
11:23
to
11:23
that
11:23
momentarily.
11:23
In
11:25
the
11:25
financial
11:26
crash
11:26
that
11:27
they
11:27
talk
11:27
about,
11:27
so
11:28
the
11:28
recession
11:29
from
11:29
about
11:29
12
11:29
years
11:30
ago,
11:30
there
11:31
were
11:31
more
11:31
abandoned
11:31
dogs,
11:32
the
11:32
euthanasia
11:33
rates
11:33
increased.
11:34
The
11:34
estimation
11:35
is
11:35
that
11:35
if
11:35
coronavirus
11:36
follows
11:36
the
11:36
same
11:36
pattern,
11:37
there'll
11:37
be
11:37
an
11:37
extra
11:37
1,800
11:38
dogs
11:39
euthanized
11:41
in
11:41
the
11:41
foreseeable
11:41
future.
11:42  Caroline Bartley
Which
11:42
is
11:42
obviously
11:43
a
11:43
figure
11:44
no
11:44
one
11:45
wants
11:45
to
11:46
hear.
11:46  Scott Andrews
Of
11:46
course
11:48
it
11:48
is.
11:48
We're
11:49
at
11:49
a
11:49
point
11:49
in
11:49
history
11:50
where
11:51
dog
11:51
welfare
11:52
is
11:52
improving
11:52
and
11:52
improving,
11:53
and
11:53
improving.
11:54
We
11:54
have
11:54
more
11:54
shelters.
11:55
We
11:55
have
11:56
more
11:56
fosters.
11:57
We
11:57
have
11:58
a
11:58
number
11:58
of
11:59
independent
11:59
charities
12:00
that
12:00
work
12:00
for
12:00
the
12:01
protection
12:01
of
12:01
specific
12:02
breeds.
12:02
At
12:03
this
12:03
point
12:03
in
12:03
history,
12:04
we're
12:04
better
12:04
equipped
12:05
to
12:06
deal
12:06
with
12:06
what's
12:06
to
12:06
come
12:07
than
12:07
we
12:07
ever
12:07
have
12:07
been.
12:08
Throughout
12:08
history,
12:08
when
12:09
societies
12:10
have
12:10
been
12:10
facing
12:11
difficulties,
12:12
albeit
12:12
disease,
12:14
economic
12:14
disaster,
12:14
wars,
12:15
catastrophe
12:16
in
12:16
general,
12:17
obviously
12:18
care
12:18
for
12:19
pets
12:19
tends
12:19
to
12:20
become
12:20
of
12:21
a
12:21
secondary
12:21
importance.
12:22  Caroline Bartley
Yeah,
12:22
it
12:22
tends
12:23
to
12:23
go
12:23
by
12:23
the
12:23
wayside.
12:24  Scott Andrews
Realistically
12:24
that
12:25
is
12:25
what
12:25
the
12:25
dogs
12:26
trust
12:26
is
12:26
trying
12:26
to
12:27
highlight.
12:27
We
12:27
should
12:28
be
12:28
aware
12:29
that
12:29
if
12:29
we
12:29
do
12:29
go
12:30
through
12:30
another
12:30
lockdown,
12:31
if
12:31
this
12:31
furlough
12:31
continues,
12:32
if
12:32
covid
12:33
continues
12:33
until
12:33
the
12:33
next
12:34
year,
12:35
there
12:35
might
12:35
be
12:35
problems
12:36
ahead.
12:36
However,
12:37
from
12:37
that
12:37
actual
12:38
report,
12:38
it
12:39
wasn't
12:39
the
12:40
elements
12:40
about
12:40
what
12:41
could
12:41
happen
12:41
that
12:42
troubled
12:42
me.
12:43
The
12:43
thing
12:43
that
12:44
actually
12:44
worries
12:44
me
12:45
the
12:45
most
12:45
is
12:45
something
12:46
that's
12:46
happened
12:46
already.
12:48  Caroline Bartley
And
12:48
that
12:48
is?
12:48  Scott Andrews
In
12:48
March
12:49
of
12:49
this
12:49
year,
12:50
searches
12:50
on
12:50
Google
12:51
for
12:52
buying
12:52
puppies
12:52
or
12:53
where
12:53
to
12:53
get
12:53
a
12:53
puppy
12:54
increased
12:55
by
12:55
166%.
12:57  Caroline Bartley
166%?
13:00  Scott Andrews
Yes.
13:00  Caroline Bartley
That's
13:00
a
13:00
phenomenal
13:01
increase.
13:02  Scott Andrews
Yes.
13:03
When
13:03
people
13:04
were
13:04
buying
13:04
these
13:04
puppies
13:05
and
13:05
taking
13:05
them
13:05
home,
13:06
many
13:07
people
13:07
were
13:07
furloughed.
13:07
Some
13:07
people
13:08
are
13:08
still
13:09
furloughed
13:09
now.
13:10
And
13:10
they
13:11
acquired
13:11
a
13:12
covid
13:12
puppy,
13:12
which
13:13
was
13:13
great.
13:13
It
13:14
gave
13:14
them
13:14
company,
13:15
it
13:15
gave
13:15
them
13:15
reason
13:16
to
13:16
exercise.
13:16
It
13:17
changes
13:17
the
13:17
environment
13:18
of
13:18
the
13:18
house,
13:18
there
13:18
are
13:18
a
13:18
billion
13:18
wonderful
13:19
reasons
13:20
to
13:20
have
13:20
a
13:20
puppy.
13:21
However,
13:22
it
13:22
gives
13:22
way
13:22
to
13:22
problems
13:23
now
13:23
.
13:24  Caroline Bartley
So
13:24
are
13:24
you
13:24
saying
13:25
essentially
13:26
then
13:26
that
13:26
lockdown
13:27
contrary
13:27
to
13:27
what
13:28
many
13:28
people
13:28
probably
13:29
did
13:29
and
13:29
possibly
13:30
thought
13:30
was
13:31
actually
13:31
an
13:32
incredibly
13:32
bad
13:33
time
13:33
to
13:34
introduce
13:34
a
13:34
puppy
13:34
to
13:35
your
13:35
household?
13:36  Scott Andrews
Absolutely,
13:36
because
13:37
if
13:38
you
13:38
imagine
13:39
for
13:39
a
13:39
dog
13:40
attention
13:41
and
13:41
affection
13:41
is
13:41
a
13:41
form
13:42
of
13:42
currency.
13:42
Your
13:42
dog
13:42
is
13:42
doing
13:42
his
13:42
40
13:44
hours
13:44
of
13:45
work
13:45
every
13:46
week,
13:46
by
13:47
your
13:47
side,
13:47
getting
13:47
strokes
13:48
and
13:49
getting
13:49
cuddles
13:49
and
13:50
getting
13:50
love.
13:51  Caroline Bartley
Tis
13:51
indeed
13:51
a
13:51
tough
13:51
life.
13:52  Scott Andrews
And
13:53
then
13:53
one
13:53
day
13:53
it's
13:53
only
13:53
getting
13:53
16
13:53
hours
13:53
wages.
13:56  Caroline Bartley
Yeah.
13:56  Scott Andrews
How
13:57
are
13:57
you
13:57
meant
13:57
to
13:57
explain
13:58
that
13:58
to
13:58
a
13:58
dog?
13:59
How's
13:59
a
13:59
dog
13:59
meant
14:00
to
14:00
understand?
14:01
Oh,
14:01
you
14:01
know
14:01
corona's
14:01
over
14:02
you're
14:02
going
14:03
back
14:03
to
14:03
work.
14:03
Suddenly,
14:04
this
14:05
dog's
14:05
having
14:05
to
14:05
be
14:05
at
14:05
home
14:05
for
14:06
eight
14:06
hours
14:06
a
14:06
day.
14:07  Caroline Bartley
Okay
14:07
and
14:07
that
14:07
obviously
14:08
has
14:08
its
14:09
knock
14:09
on
14:10
impacts.
14:11
I
14:11
would
14:11
imagine
14:12
separation
14:13
anxiety
14:14
being
14:14
one
14:14
of
14:14
them.
14:15  Scott Andrews
Oh
14:15
separation
14:15
anxiety
14:17
is
14:17
seeing
14:17
a
14:18
massive
14:18
increase.
14:19
I
14:19
think,
14:19
to
14:20
be
14:20
honest,
14:20
it's
14:20
going
14:20
to
14:21
be
14:21
an
14:21
explosion
14:22
of
14:22
unnatural
14:23
proportions
14:23
because
14:24
the
14:24
environment
14:24
the
14:25
dogs
14:25
were
14:25
brought
14:25
into
14:25
has
14:26
been
14:26
artificial.
14:26
For
14:27
a
14:27
dog's
14:27
perspective
14:27
it
14:28
is
14:28
understandably
14:29
confusing,
14:30
but
14:30
this
14:31
feeds
14:31
into
14:31
the
14:31
first
14:32
part
14:32
of
14:32
the
14:32
report.
14:33
That
14:33
dog
14:33
thats
14:33
left
14:34
at
14:34
home
14:34
now
14:34
for
14:34
eight
14:34
hours
14:35
a
14:35
day,
14:36
and
14:36
out
14:36
of
14:36
boredom
14:36
starts
14:37
destroying
14:37
the
14:38
sofa
14:38
.
14:38
These
14:38
dogs
14:39
are
14:39
gonna
14:39
face
14:40
a
14:40
increased
14:41
chance
14:41
of
14:41
being
14:42
taken
14:42
to
14:42
shelters
14:42
now,
14:43
and
14:43
it's
14:44
gonna
14:44
create
14:44
a
14:45
whole
14:45
new
14:45
generation
14:46
across
14:47
dog
14:47
rescue
14:47
centers
14:48
of
14:48
COVID
14:49
puppies
14:49
who
14:49
are
14:49
there
14:50
for
14:50
no
14:50
fault
14:50
of
14:50
their
14:50
own.
14:51  Caroline Bartley
So
14:51
I
14:51
guess
14:51
the
14:51
old
14:52
adage
14:52
could
14:53
be
14:53
extended
14:53
a
14:53
dog
14:54
isn't
14:54
just
14:54
for
14:55
Christmas.
14:55
It's
14:56
for
14:56
life.
14:57  Scott Andrews
A
14:57
dog's
14:57
not
14:57
just
14:57
for
14:58
COVID,
14:58
it's
14:58
for
14:58
a
14:58
lifetime.
15:13  Caroline Bartley
It's
15:13
that
15:14
time
15:14
of
15:14
the
15:14
dogcast
15:14
again