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In this episode, we discuss a new law being introduced in Germany, a Finnish study on fearfulness in dogs, the most bizarre Letterbox question we could have ever imagined, an English company putting their own unique spin on canine nutrition, and we celebrate yet another truly remarkable Wagtastic Woof.
 
How much exercise is appropriate for your dog? We consider a new German law that proposes a mandated minimum activity for the country's 9 million-plus canine population. Is it a great leap forward or simply another example of bureaucratic idiocy?
 
In keeping with our health theme, we examine a new study that has found some surprising links between canine anxiety and lifestyle. Can a puppy's life chances be influenced by its formative experiences? And does your dog's breed have any bearing on its mental health?
 
Our Letterbox features a question that we never expected to receive. Our dog nerd was severely tested!
 
In Gadgets, Gizmos, and Gastronomy we take a look at the sometimes perplexing world of canine nutrition. One English manufacturer, that has recently expanded, has caught our eye with its rather unorthodox approach.
 
And finally, this episode's Wagtastic Woof is an utterly remarkable example of a canine carer. Tune in to find out more.

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 2020-08-30  38m
 
 
00:15  Caroline Bartley
Hello,
00:16
and
00:16
welcome
00:17
to
00:17
Talk2ThePaw,
00:18
a
00:18
podcast
00:19
that
00:19
celebrates
00:20
dogs
00:20
for
00:21
simply
00:21
being
00:21
wagtastic.
00:22
I'm
00:24
Caroline
00:24
Bartley,
00:24
and
00:25
in
00:25
each
00:26
dogcast,
00:26
I,
00:27
along
00:27
with
00:28
canine
00:29
nerd
00:29
,
00:29
Scott
00:30
Andrews,
00:30
will
00:30
bring
00:30
you
00:30
the
00:31
latest
00:31
pooch
00:31
related
00:32
news
00:32
and
00:33
research
00:33
as
00:34
well
00:34
as
00:34
discussing
00:35
how
00:35
and
00:36
why
00:36
these
00:37
fabulous
00:37
animals
00:38
make
00:38
such
00:38
a
00:39
huge
00:39
contribution
00:40
to
00:41
our
00:41
lives.
00:42
Like
00:42
a
00:42
puppy
00:43
intent
00:43
on
00:44
discovering
00:44
what
00:44
that
00:45
intriguing
00:46
and
00:46
strange
00:46
smelling
00:47
object
00:47
in
00:48
your
00:48
garden
00:48
really
00:48
is,
00:49
we're
00:50
bonding
00:50
enthusiastically
00:52
into
00:52
our
00:52
third
00:53
episode.
00:53
So
00:54
clickers
00:55
and
00:55
treats
00:55
at
00:55
the
00:55
ready
00:56
let's
00:56
dive
00:57
in
00:57
and
00:58
unwrap
00:58
the
00:58
first
00:59
of
00:59
our
00:59
regular
00:59
features.
01:01
It's
01:01
the
01:01
Twilight
01:01
Bark
01:08
So
01:09
what
01:09
news
01:09
story
01:10
has
01:10
caught
01:11
our
01:11
eye
01:11
for
01:12
this
01:12
episode?
01:13
Well
01:13
,
01:13
the
01:13
Guardian
01:13
reports
01:14
on
01:14
new
01:15
legislation
01:15
to
01:16
be
01:16
introduced
01:17
in
01:17
Germany,
01:17
which
01:18
means
01:18
dog
01:19
owners
01:19
will
01:19
by
01:20
law,
01:20
have
01:21
to
01:21
walk
01:21
their
01:21
animals
01:22
twice
01:22
a
01:22
day.
01:23
The
01:23
Dogs
01:24
Act,
01:24
drawn
01:25
up
01:25
by
01:25
the
01:26
country's
01:26
agriculture
01:26
ministry
01:27
has
01:27
been
01:27
drafted
01:28
in
01:28
response
01:29
to
01:29
findings,
01:30
which
01:30
suggested
01:30
Germany's
01:31
9.4
01:33
million
01:33
dogs
01:33
weren't
01:34
getting
01:34
the
01:34
exercise
01:35
or
01:35
stimulation
01:36
they
01:36
need.
01:37
Under
01:38
the
01:38
new
01:38
regulations
01:38
owners
01:39
will
01:39
have
01:40
to
01:40
exercise
01:40
their
01:41
dogs
01:41
for
01:41
at
01:41
least
01:42
an
01:42
hour
01:42
every
01:43
time
01:43
they
01:43
venture
01:44
out
01:44
for
01:44
the
01:44
mandated
01:45
twice
01:46
daily
01:46
walk.
01:46
Agriculture
01:46
Minister
01:47
Julia
01:48
Klockner
01:49
justified
01:50
the
01:50
legislation
01:51
citing
01:51
scientific
01:51
evidence
01:52
which
01:53
showed
01:53
dogs
01:54
need
01:54
a,
01:54
and
01:54
I
01:54
quote,
01:56
sufficient
01:56
measure
01:57
of
01:57
activity
01:58
and
01:58
contact
01:59
with
01:59
environmental
02:00
stimuli.
02:01
The
02:01
law
02:02
will
02:02
prohibit
02:02
dogs
02:03
being
02:03
left
02:03
home
02:03
alone
02:04
all
02:04
day
02:05
and
02:05
being
02:05
tethered
02:06
on
02:06
a
02:06
chain
02:07
or
02:07
a
02:07
lead
02:08
for
02:08
long
02:08
periods.
02:09
And
02:09
the
02:09
authorities
02:10
in
02:10
each
02:11
of
02:11
the
02:11
16
02:11
German
02:12
States
02:13
will
02:13
be
02:13
responsible
02:14
for
02:14
the
02:14
new
02:15
legislation's
02:15
enforcement.
02:16
So
02:16
Scott,
02:17
on
02:17
the
02:17
subject
02:18
of
02:19
enforcement,
02:20
how
02:20
can
02:20
this
02:21
be
02:21
tackled
02:22
on
02:22
a
02:22
practical
02:23
level?
02:23  Scott Andrews
It's
02:24
going
02:24
to
02:24
be
02:24
very
02:24
difficult
02:25
as
02:25
enforcement
02:27
brings
02:27
its
02:27
own
02:27
problems.
02:28
When
02:29
you
02:29
consider
02:29
Coronavirus,
02:29
for
02:30
example,
02:31
in
02:31
many
02:31
countries
02:32
people
02:33
are
02:33
being
02:33
asked
02:33
to
02:33
wear
02:33
face
02:34
masks
02:34
before
02:35
they
02:35
enter
02:35
shops
02:36
or
02:36
enclosed
02:37
spaces,
02:38
and
02:38
they're
02:38
not
02:39
doing
02:39
it.
02:39
And
02:40
the
02:40
primary
02:40
reason
02:40
they're
02:41
not
02:41
doing
02:41
it
02:42
is
02:42
because
02:42
there's
02:42
nobody
02:43
there
02:43
to
02:43
enforce
02:44
it.
02:45
Now
02:45
with
02:45
this
02:46
law
02:46
,
02:46
it's
02:46
slightly
02:46
more
02:46
complicated,
02:46
as
02:47
in
02:47
Germany,
02:48
there
02:48
are
02:48
16
02:49
states,
02:50
16
02:50
federal
02:51
states
02:51
that
02:51
are
02:51
responsible
02:52
for
02:52
governing
02:52
themselves.
02:54
When
02:54
this
02:54
law
02:55
has
02:55
been
02:55
enacted,
02:56
these
02:56
states
02:57
will
02:57
be
02:57
responsible
02:58
for
02:58
enforcing
02:59
it
02:59
themselves.
03:00
Now,
03:01
there
03:01
isn't
03:01
an
03:01
organization
03:02
solely
03:02
responsible
03:03
like
03:04
the
03:04
RSPCA.
03:05
It
03:06
would
03:06
fall
03:06
on
03:07
the
03:07
individual
03:08
decisions
03:08
of
03:08
16
03:09
separate
03:09
regional
03:10
parliamens
03:10
I
03:10
suppose,
03:12
and
03:12
that's
03:12
where
03:13
things
03:13
could
03:13
get
03:13
extremely
03:14
sticky.
03:15  Caroline Bartley
I
03:15
guess
03:16
what
03:16
you're
03:16
saying
03:16
is
03:17
the
03:17
legislation
03:18
is
03:18
not
03:19
only
03:20
unwieldy
03:20
.
03:21
It
03:21
appears
03:22
to
03:22
be
03:22
quite
03:22
impractical
03:23
as
03:23
well.
03:24  Scott Andrews
Absolutely.
03:25
Now
03:25
it
03:26
is
03:26
impractical
03:27
for
03:27
a
03:27
lot
03:27
of
03:27
ways,
03:28
but
03:28
the
03:28
,
03:28
you
03:28
know
03:28
,
03:28
the
03:29
first
03:29
thing
03:29
to
03:29
consider
03:30
is
03:30
you're
03:30
introducing
03:31
this
03:31
law,
03:31
telling
03:32
people
03:32
what
03:32
they
03:32
should
03:33
do,
03:33
but
03:33
you're
03:33
not
03:34
creating
03:34
a
03:34
method
03:35
by
03:35
which
03:36
you
03:36
can
03:36
manage
03:36
it,
03:36
maintain
03:37
it
03:37
and
03:37
enforce
03:37
it.
03:38  Caroline Bartley
I
03:38
must
03:39
admit
03:39
when
03:39
I
03:40
first
03:40
looked
03:41
at
03:41
this,
03:42
I
03:42
do
03:42
have
03:43
some
03:43
issues
03:44
with
03:44
it.
03:44
To
03:45
me,
03:45
this
03:45
legislation
03:47
appears
03:47
to
03:48
be
03:48
quite
03:49
ill
03:49
thought
03:49
out.
03:50
Now
03:50
I
03:51
know
03:51
what
03:51
it
03:51
is
03:51
they're
03:52
trying
03:52
to
03:52
do.
03:53
And
03:53
I
03:53
know
03:54
that
03:54
it's
03:54
coming
03:55
from
03:56
a
03:56
good
03:57
place,
03:58
but
03:59
exercising
04:00
your
04:00
dog
04:01
for
04:01
two
04:01
hours
04:02
a
04:02
day.
04:02
To
04:02
me,
04:04
that
04:04
seems
04:04
a
04:05
little
04:05
bit
04:05
extreme,
04:06
but
04:06
maybe
04:06
that's
04:07
just
04:07
me
04:07
any
04:07
thoughts
04:08
on
04:08
that?
04:09  Scott Andrews
I
04:09
find
04:09
that
04:09
oddly
04:10
specific.
04:11
Now
04:11
you
04:12
must
04:12
take
04:12
the
04:12
dog
04:12
out
04:12
twice
04:13
a
04:13
day,
04:14
one
04:14
hour,
04:14
a
04:14
day,
04:15
each
04:15
time.
04:16
What
04:16
happens
04:16
if
04:16
people
04:16
take
04:17
that
04:17
literally
04:17
there
04:17
might
04:18
have
04:18
been
04:18
dogs
04:18
that
04:18
get
04:19
four
04:19
walks
04:19
a
04:19
day,
04:20
you
04:20
know,
04:20
for
04:20
example,
04:21
dogs
04:21
that
04:21
live
04:21
in
04:21
apartments
04:22
that
04:22
need
04:22
to
04:23
go
04:23
out
04:23
to
04:24
do
04:24
their
04:24
business,
04:24
so
04:25
to
04:25
speak
04:25
quite
04:25
regularly,
04:26
then
04:26
suddenly
04:26
they're
04:26
being
04:27
dragged
04:27
on
04:27
long
04:27
walks
04:28
or
04:29
take,
04:29
for
04:29
instance,
04:31
if
04:31
you've
04:31
got
04:31
a
04:31
Chihuahua
04:32
at
04:32
home.
04:33  Caroline Bartley
I
04:33
can
04:33
,
04:34
I'm
04:34
just
04:35
thinking
04:37
an
04:37
,
04:37
hour
04:37
long
04:37
walk
04:38
twice
04:39
a
04:39
day
04:39
with
04:39
there
04:40
teeny
04:40
tiny
04:41
little
04:41
Chihuahua,
04:42
it'll
04:42
be
04:43
absolutely
04:44
destroyed.
04:45  Scott Andrews
It
04:46
will
04:46
be
04:46
a
04:46
massacre
04:47
of
04:47
tiny
04:48
dogs,
04:49
you
04:49
know?
04:50
And
04:50
then
04:50
take
04:50
for
04:51
example,
04:52
you
04:52
know
04:52
,
04:52
God
04:53
forbid
04:53
if
04:54
Germany
04:54
is
04:54
having
04:54
a
04:54
summer,
04:54
I
04:55
know
04:55
where
04:55
we
04:55
are
04:55
we
04:55
don't
04:56
exactly
04:56
have
04:56
them
04:56
.
04:57  Caroline Bartley
No,
04:57
that's
04:57
summer.
04:58
What
04:58
is
04:59
that?
04:59
We
04:59
hear
05:00
about
05:00
this.
05:01
We're
05:01
not
05:01
exactly
05:02
sure
05:02
what
05:02
it
05:02
is.
05:03  Scott Andrews
When
05:03
you
05:03
think
05:03
seriously,
05:03
summertime,
05:03
so
05:04
you're
05:05
going
05:05
to
05:05
take
05:05
your
05:05
dog
05:05
out
05:05
twice
05:06
a
05:06
day
05:06
and
05:06
you
05:06
have
05:06
to
05:07
take
05:07
it
05:07
an
05:07
hour
05:08
at
05:08
a
05:08
time.
05:09
You're
05:09
going
05:09
to
05:09
be
05:10
making
05:11
dogs
05:11
very,
05:12
very
05:12
unwell
05:13
all.
05:13
Yeah,
05:13
if
05:14
you've
05:14
got
05:14
an
05:14
elderly
05:14
dog.
05:15
Yeah
05:15
.
05:15
I
05:15
know
05:15
your
05:16
own
05:16
dog,yYou
05:17
mentioned
05:17
in
05:17
the
05:17
last
05:18
episode,
05:19
Caroline
05:19
,
05:19  Caroline Bartley
God
05:19
bless
05:19
her,
05:19
you
05:20
know,
05:20
I
05:20
mean,
05:21
she
05:21
just
05:21
about
05:22
at
05:22
the
05:22
moment,
05:23
is
05:23
making
05:24
it
05:24
to
05:24
the,
05:25
to
05:25
the
05:25
top
05:25
of
05:25
the
05:25
drive
05:26
and
05:26
back
05:26
down
05:27
again.
05:27
I
05:27
mean
05:27
she's
05:29
17
05:29
now
05:29
her
05:29
next
05:29
birthday
05:30
in
05:30
September,
05:31
there
05:31
is
05:31
no
05:32
way
05:33
she
05:33
would
05:33
manage
05:34
two
05:34
hours
05:35
of
05:35
exercise
05:35
a
05:36
day.
05:37
not
05:37
no
05:37
way.
05:38  Scott Andrews
And
05:38
then
05:38
for
05:38
example,
05:39
you
05:39
might
05:39
have
05:39
people
05:39
who
05:40
have
05:40
water
05:40
dogs
05:40
like
05:41
poodles
05:41
or
05:41
Spaniels,
05:42
or
05:42
that
05:43
often
05:43
go
05:43
swimming,
05:44
but
05:44
where
05:44
does
05:45
that
05:45
stand?
05:46
Is
05:46
it
05:46
a
05:46
two
05:46
hour
05:47
walk
05:47
or
05:47
do
05:47
they
05:47
have
05:48
to
05:48
then
05:48
swim
05:48
for
05:48
two
05:48
hours?
05:49
Obviously
05:50
common
05:50
sense
05:51
dictates
05:51
that
05:52
there
05:52
are
05:52
a
05:52
lot
05:53
of
05:53
questions
05:54
raised
05:55
by
05:55
this
05:55
law
05:56
in
05:56
itself.
05:57  Caroline Bartley
Yeah
05:57
that
05:57
was
05:57
one
05:57
of
05:57
the
05:58
points
05:58
that
05:59
I
05:59
was
05:59
alluding
06:00
to
06:00
earlier.
06:01
The
06:01
fact
06:01
that
06:02
yes,
06:02
it
06:02
is
06:03
incredibly
06:04
specific.
06:04
And
06:05
you
06:05
know,
06:05
there
06:05
doesn't
06:06
seem
06:06
to
06:06
be
06:07
any
06:07
allowance
06:07
made
06:07
for
06:10
individual
06:11
circumstances.
06:12  Scott Andrews
It
06:12
seems
06:13
to
06:13
be
06:13
a
06:13
one
06:13
size
06:14
fits
06:14
all.
06:14
And
06:15
that,
06:15
in
06:15
my
06:16
opinion
06:16
is
06:16
where
06:16
the
06:16
problem
06:17
lies.
06:17
You
06:17
know
06:17
,
06:18
the
06:18
idea
06:18
behind
06:19
it
06:19
is
06:19
wonderful.
06:20
Let's
06:20
get
06:20
our
06:20
dogs
06:21
out
06:21
more.
06:21
Let's
06:21
walk
06:21
with
06:21
our
06:21
dogs
06:21
more.
06:21
Letting
06:21
your
06:21
dogs
06:21
out
06:23
to
06:23
actually
06:24
be
06:25
dogs
06:26
is
06:26
one
06:27
of
06:27
the
06:27
most
06:27
beautiful
06:27
things
06:27
you
06:28
can
06:28
do.
06:28
And
06:28
you
06:28
can
06:29
learn
06:29
so
06:29
much
06:29
about
06:30
them.
06:30
The
06:30
trouble
06:31
is,
06:31
I
06:31
don't
06:32
think
06:32
you
06:33
or
06:33
your
06:34
dog
06:34
,
06:34
especially
06:34
the
06:34
tiny
06:35
Chihuahua
06:35
going
06:36
out
06:36
in
06:36
the
06:36
middle
06:36
of
06:37
winter
06:37
when
06:37
it's
06:37
minus
06:38
22
06:38
outside
06:38
and
06:38
snowing,
06:40
I
06:40
don't
06:40
think
06:41
it's
06:41
going
06:41
to
06:41
make
06:41
you
06:41
any
06:42
closer.
06:42  Caroline Bartley
A
06:42
couple
06:43
of
06:43
other
06:43
things
06:44
that
06:44
,
06:45
um,
06:45
I
06:45
want
06:45
to
06:46
get
06:46
your
06:46
thoughts
06:46
on.
06:46
The
06:47
minister
06:47
has
06:48
said
06:48
that
06:48
dogs
06:49
need,
06:49
and
06:49
I'm
06:50
quoting
06:50
here,
06:51
a
06:51
sufficient
06:52
measure
06:53
of
06:53
activity
06:54
and
06:54
contact
06:56
with
06:56
environmental
06:56
stimuli.
06:57
From
06:59
a
06:59
lay
06:59
person's
07:00
point
07:00
of
07:00
view,
07:00
I'm
07:01
not
07:01
too
07:02
clear
07:02
on
07:03
what
07:03
she
07:03
means
07:04
there.
07:04
Do
07:04
you
07:04
have
07:05
any
07:05
ideas?
07:06
Can
07:06
you
07:06
clarify
07:07
for
07:07
us
07:07
what
07:08
you
07:09
think
07:09
she
07:09
means?
07:10  Scott Andrews
I
07:10
do
07:10
believe
07:11
we
07:11
may
07:11
well
07:11
have
07:11
spoken
07:12
about
07:12
this
07:12
once
07:13
or
07:13
twice
07:13
before.
07:13
Dogs
07:15
see
07:15
the
07:15
world
07:15
through
07:15
their
07:15
nose,
07:15
they
07:15
live
07:16
through
07:16
their
07:16
nose.
07:17
So
07:17
when
07:18
a
07:18
dog
07:18
goes
07:18
out
07:18
for
07:18
a
07:18
walk,
07:19
it
07:19
is
07:19
almost
07:20
an
07:20
attack
07:20
on
07:20
the
07:20
senses.
07:22
There
07:22
are
07:22
so
07:22
many
07:22
different
07:23
sniffs.
07:23
There
07:23
are
07:23
so
07:24
many
07:24
different
07:24
smells
07:25
passing
07:25
by
07:26
allowing
07:26
your
07:26
dog
07:27
to
07:27
sniff
07:28
is
07:29
letting
07:29
your
07:29
dog
07:30
almost
07:30
become
07:31
one
07:31
with
07:31
the
07:31
environment,
07:32
or
07:33
to
07:33
become
07:33
one
07:33
with
07:34
nature.
07:34  Caroline Bartley
Yeah
07:34
ok,
07:34
that
07:34
is
07:35
something
07:36
that
07:36
they
07:36
do
07:36
naturally,
07:37
you
07:37
see
07:37
your
07:37
dog
07:38
even
07:38
just
07:39
out
07:39
in
07:39
the
07:39
garden,
07:40  Scott Andrews
Your
07:40
dog
07:40
does
07:40
that
07:40
naturally
07:41
the
07:41
problem
07:42
is
07:43
the
07:43
dog
07:43
owners
07:43
often
07:44
prevent
07:44
the
07:44
dog
07:44
from
07:45
doing
07:45
that.
07:45  Caroline Bartley
Yeah.
07:46  Scott Andrews
I'm
07:46
pretty
07:46
sure
07:46
every
07:47
one
07:47
of
07:47
us
07:47
has
07:47
been
07:47
guilty
07:48
of
07:48
this.
07:48
It
07:49
may
07:49
have
07:49
been
07:50
getting
07:50
up
07:50
a
07:50
little
07:50
late
07:51
for
07:51
work
07:51
or
07:51
not
07:51
getting
07:52
out
07:52
with
07:52
your
07:52
dog
07:52
early
07:53
enough.
07:53  Caroline Bartley
Absolutely,
07:53
yeah.
07:53  Scott Andrews
Or
07:53
having
07:54
an
07:54
urgent
07:54
appointment
07:55
and
07:55
thinking,
07:55
you
07:55
know
07:55
what,
07:55
I'll
07:55
just
07:56
pop
07:56
out
07:56
round
07:56
the
07:56
block
07:57
with
07:57
my
07:57
dog
07:58
before
07:58
I
07:58
go.
07:59
And
07:59
of
07:59
course,
08:00
that's
08:00
the
08:00
day
08:00
your
08:01
dog
08:01
chooses
08:01
to
08:02
spend
08:03
20
08:03
minutes
08:04
sniffing
08:04
around
08:04
the
08:04
first
08:05
lamppost
08:05
he
08:05
sees.
08:06
And
08:06
you
08:06
don't
08:06
get
08:06
more
08:07
than
08:07
10
08:07
feet
08:07
from
08:08
your
08:08
door.
08:08  Caroline Bartley
Absolutely.
08:09
And
08:09
you
08:09
have
08:09
one
08:09
eye
08:10
on
08:10
your
08:10
watch
08:10
thinking,
08:11
please,
08:11
God,
08:12
I
08:12
love
08:12
you,
08:12
but
08:13
hurry
08:13
up.
08:13  Scott Andrews
You
08:14
ended
08:14
up
08:14
dragging
08:14
your
08:14
dog.
08:14
Well
08:15
dragging's
08:16
a
08:16
hard
08:16
word,
08:17
but
08:17
I
08:17
mean,
08:18  Caroline Bartley
Gent-gently
08:19
encouraging
08:20
Fido
08:20
to
08:20
move
08:21
a
08:21
little
08:21
quicker.
08:22  Scott Andrews
Yes,
08:22
that
08:22
would
08:22
be
08:22
a
08:23
better
08:23
way
08:23
of
08:23
phrasing
08:24
it.
08:24
As
08:24
opposed
08:25
to
08:25
letting
08:25
your
08:25
dog
08:25
enjoy
08:26
the
08:26
environment.
08:27  Caroline Bartley
Letting
08:27
your
08:27
dog
08:27
be
08:27
a
08:27
dog.
08:27  Scott Andrews
There
08:29
are
08:29
other
08:29
types
08:29
of
08:29
environmental
08:30
stimuli
08:31
that
08:31
your
08:31
dog
08:31
encounters
08:32
on
08:32
a
08:32
walk.
08:32
So
08:33
there
08:33
may
08:33
be
08:34
other
08:34
people
08:34
that
08:34
may
08:35
come
08:35
and
08:35
say,
08:35
hello,
08:35
or
08:36
may
08:36
not
08:36
want
08:36
to
08:36
say
08:36
hello.
08:37
They
08:37
might
08:37
be
08:37
jogging,
08:38
riding
08:38
their
08:38
bike.
08:39
Your
08:39
dog
08:39
may
08:39
also
08:39
encounter
08:40
other
08:40
dogs,
08:40
cats,
08:41
ducks.
08:42
Really
08:42
it's
08:42
dependent
08:43
on
08:43
where
08:43
you
08:43
live.
08:43
Yet,
08:43
all
08:44
of
08:45
these
08:45
experiences
08:46
can
08:47
be
08:47
almost
08:48
emotional.
08:49
They're
08:49
sensory
08:49
experiences
08:50
for
08:50
us.
08:51  Caroline Bartley
Yep.
08:51  Scott Andrews
So
08:51
when
08:51
you've
08:51
got
08:51
four
08:52
legs,
08:52
you're
08:52
not
08:52
able
08:52
to
08:52
speak,
08:52
and
08:53
your
08:53
belly's
08:53
a
08:53
bit
08:54
closer
08:54
to
08:54
the
08:54
ground.
08:55
They
08:55
can
08:56
be
08:56
a
08:56
lot
08:56
more
08:56
exciting.
08:57
So
08:58
what
08:58
I
08:58
suspect
08:59
the
08:59
minister
09:00
is
09:00
trying
09:00
to
09:00
say
09:01
is
09:02
that
09:02
it's
09:02
not
09:03
merely
09:03
a
09:03
case
09:03
of
09:03
taking
09:03
your
09:03
dog
09:04
out
09:04
for
09:04
a
09:04
jog
09:05
or
09:05
riding
09:06
your
09:06
bike
09:06
for
09:06
an
09:06
hour,
09:06
with
09:06
you
09:06
dog
09:07
running
09:07
up
09:07
after
09:07
them.
09:07
That's
09:08
not
09:09
enough.
09:09
You
09:10
need
09:10
to
09:10
allow
09:10
the
09:10
dog
09:11
to
09:11
engage
09:11
with
09:12
its
09:12
environment.
09:13
And
09:14
honestly,
09:15
this
09:15
will
09:15
give
09:16
you
09:16
a
09:16
happier,
09:17
more
09:17
contented
09:18
dog.
09:19  Caroline Bartley
So
09:19
the
09:20
minister
09:20
is
09:20
talking
09:20
about,
09:20
it's
09:21
not
09:21
just
09:21
physical
09:22
exercise
09:23
for
09:23
the
09:23
dog.
09:24
It's
09:24
,
09:25
um,
09:25
it's
09:26
mental
09:27
stimulation.
09:28
It's
09:28
emotional
09:29
stimulation
09:29
for
09:29
the
09:30
animal
09:30
as
09:30
well.
09:31  Scott Andrews
Stimulation.
09:32
It's
09:32
essential
09:33
for
09:33
all
09:33
of
09:33
us.
09:34
A
09:34
lot
09:34
of
09:34
behavioral
09:35
problems
09:35
stem
09:36
from
09:36
the
09:36
fact
09:36
that
09:37
dogs
09:37
are
09:37
bored.
09:38
You
09:38
go
09:38
back,
09:39
oh,
09:39
even
09:40
as
09:40
I
09:40
suppose,
09:41
as
09:41
recent
09:41
as
09:41
a
09:41
hundred
09:41
years
09:42
ago,
09:42
most
09:43
dogs
09:43
had
09:43
jobs.
09:46  Caroline Bartley
Okay.
09:46  Scott Andrews
As
09:46
they
09:46
become
09:46
more
09:46
domesticated
09:46
that
09:47
aspect
09:47
disappeared.
09:48
But
09:49
it
09:49
means
09:49
that
09:49
dogs
09:50
that
09:50
were
09:50
bred
09:50
for
09:50
very
09:51
specific
09:51
things,
09:52
for
09:52
example,
09:52
retrieving
09:53
or
09:53
hunting,
09:54
they're
09:54
not
09:54
able
09:55
to
09:55
do
09:55
these
09:55
things
09:55
anymore.
09:56  Caroline Bartley
Yeah.
09:56  Scott Andrews
So
09:57
these
09:57
dogs
09:58
are
09:58
bored,
09:58
they
09:58
don't
09:59
have
09:59
the
09:59
stimulation.
10:00
Now
10:00
there
10:01
is
10:01
more
10:01
you
10:01
can
10:02
do
10:02
to
10:02
stimulate
10:03
your
10:03
dog
10:03
which
10:03
I'm
10:04
sure
10:04
we'll
10:04
cover
10:04
in
10:05
another
10:05
episode.
10:05
It's
10:06
important
10:07
to
10:07
remember
10:07
when
10:07
you
10:08
go
10:08
outside,
10:08
it's
10:08
your
10:09
dog's
10:09
opportunity
10:09
to
10:10
engage
10:10
with
10:10
this
10:10
environment
10:12
and
10:12
for
10:12
a
10:12
dog
10:13
it's
10:13
not
10:13
just
10:13
about
10:14
going
10:14
to
10:14
use
10:14
the
10:14
bathroom.
10:15
It's
10:16
about
10:16
sensory
10:16
experience.
10:17
It's
10:17
about
10:18
engaging
10:19
with
10:19
other
10:19
animals
10:20
that
10:20
are
10:20
in
10:20
the
10:20
neighborhood,
10:21
unfortunately
10:22
via
10:22
the
10:22
medium
10:22
of
10:22
urine
10:23
markings.
10:24
Um,
10:25
but
10:25
still
10:26
that's
10:26
what
10:26
they're
10:26
doing.
10:27
And
10:27
I
10:27
think
10:28
this
10:28
helps
10:29
bring
10:29
a
10:29
sense
10:29
of
10:30
comfort
10:31
and
10:31
security
10:31
to
10:31
some
10:32
dogs,
10:32
for
10:32
others
10:32
it
10:33
might
10:33
make
10:33
them
10:33
even
10:33
more
10:34
anxious.
10:35  Caroline Bartley
Are
10:35
there
10:35
any
10:35
other
10:36
positives
10:37
that
10:37
you
10:38
think
10:38
this
10:39
legislation
10:39
will
10:39
bring?
10:41  Scott Andrews
Well
10:41
one
10:41
aspect
10:42
that
10:42
is
10:42
sneaking
10:43
under
10:43
the
10:43
radar
10:44
in
10:44
the
10:44
media
10:44
reports
10:46
is
10:46
the
10:46
fact
10:46
that
10:47
this
10:47
Dogs
10:47
Act,
10:48
I
10:48
believe
10:48
it
10:48
was
10:49
called.
10:49  Caroline Bartley
That's
10:49
right.
10:50  Scott Andrews
Is
10:50
introducing
10:51
a
10:51
ban
10:51
on
10:51
chaining
10:52
dogs
10:53
or
10:53
tethering
10:53
dogs.
10:55  Caroline Bartley
That's
10:55
right,
10:55
yeah.
10:55  Scott Andrews
Now
10:55
this
10:55
is
10:56
extremely
10:56
important
10:57
for
10:57
a
10:57
number
10:57
of
10:57
reasons.
10:58
Primarily,
10:59
if
10:59
you
10:59
go
11:00
back
11:00
a
11:00
good
11:00
few
11:00
years,
11:01
there
11:01
was
11:01
a
11:01
book
11:01
written
11:02
called
11:02
the
11:02
Pitbull
11:03
Placebo.
11:04
Now
11:05
this
11:05
book
11:05
studied
11:06
dog
11:06
attacks
11:07
in
11:07
the
11:07
United
11:08
States
11:08
over
11:08
about
11:09
a
11:09
70
11:09
year
11:09
period.
11:10
One
11:11
of
11:11
the
11:11
key
11:11
findings
11:12
in
11:12
this
11:12
research
11:13
was
11:13
that
11:14
in
11:14
cases
11:14
where
11:15
the
11:15
dog
11:15
attack
11:15
proved
11:16
to
11:16
be
11:16
fatal,
11:17
by
11:17
and
11:17
large
11:17
the
11:18
dog
11:18
had
11:18
almost
11:18
always
11:19
been
11:19
chained
11:20
up.
11:20
So
11:21
this
11:21
is
11:21
proof
11:22
that
11:22
there
11:22
is
11:22
a
11:22
clear
11:23
link
11:23
between
11:24
chaining
11:24
your
11:24
dog
11:25
and
11:25
dog
11:25
aggression.
11:27
And
11:27
hopefully
11:29
this
11:29
law
11:29
is
11:30
going
11:30
to
11:30
tackle
11:31
that
11:31
head
11:31
on.
11:32  Caroline Bartley
I
11:32
think
11:32
it's
11:32
quite
11:33
important
11:33
to
11:34
come
11:34
back
11:35
to
11:35
this
11:35
issue
11:36
about
11:37
exercise
11:38
and
11:38
what
11:38
is
11:39
the
11:39
right
11:39
amount
11:39
of
11:40
exercise
11:41
for
11:41
your
11:41
dog?
11:42
Because
11:42
obviously
11:43
everybody's
11:44
situation
11:45
will
11:45
be
11:46
different
11:46
and
11:47
every
11:47
dog
11:47
is
11:48
different.
11:48  Scott Andrews
Now
11:49
this
11:49
is
11:49
a
11:49
question
11:50
for
11:50
the
11:50
ages,
11:51
because,
11:52
many
11:52
people
11:53
have
11:53
had
11:53
different
11:53
theories
11:54
on
11:54
it,
11:54
but
11:54
there's
11:55
never
11:55
been
11:55
any
11:55
research
11:56
that
11:56
directly
11:57
tells
11:57
you
11:57
whether
11:58
they
11:58
right
11:58
or
11:58
wrong.
11:59  Caroline Bartley
Yeah.
11:59
And
11:59
I
11:59
think
11:59
this
12:00
is
12:00
really
12:00
where
12:01
some
12:01
of
12:01
the
12:02
confusion
12:02
abounds
12:03
and
12:04
is
12:04
necessarily
12:05
going
12:06
to
12:06
arise
12:06
from
12:07
this
12:07
specific
12:08
piece
12:08
of
12:08
legislation,
12:09
which
12:10
is
12:10
why
12:10
I'm
12:10
coming
12:10
back
12:11
to
12:11
it.
12:12  Scott Andrews
One
12:12
of
12:12
the
12:12
most
12:12
common
12:13
problems
12:13
we
12:13
have
12:14
is
12:14
that
12:15
we
12:15
tend
12:15
to
12:16
over-exercise
12:16
our
12:16
puppies
12:17
and
12:18
we
12:18
under-exercise
12:19
our
12:19
adult
12:19
dogs.
12:21  Caroline Bartley
Yeah.
12:21  Scott Andrews
It
12:21
may
12:22
surprise
12:22
you
12:22
to
12:22
learn
12:23
that
12:24
the
12:24
ideal
12:25
advice
12:25
for
12:25
puppy
12:25
exercise
12:27
is
12:27
that
12:27
you
12:27
exercise
12:28
a
12:28
puppy
12:28
outside
12:30
for
12:30
five
12:30
minutes
12:31
per
12:31
month
12:32
of
12:32
his
12:32
life.
12:33
Most
12:33
dogs,
12:34
their
12:34
vaccinations
12:34
aren't
12:35
finished
12:35
until
12:35
they're
12:35
12
12:36
weeks.
12:37
So
12:37
at
12:37
12
12:37
weeks,
12:38
that's
12:38
three
12:38
months.
12:39
That's
12:39
a
12:39
15
12:39
minute
12:40
walk,
12:40
no
12:40
more
12:41
than
12:41
twice
12:41
a
12:41
day.
12:42
Now
12:43
this
12:43
is
12:43
the
12:43
prescribed
12:43
advice
12:44
as
12:44
it
12:44
is.
12:45
And
12:46
that's
12:46
remarkable
12:46
because
12:47
I
12:47
have
12:48
never
12:48
met
12:48
a
12:48
dog
12:48
owner
12:49
who's
12:49
had
12:49
a
12:49
12
12:50
week
12:50
old
12:50
puppy
12:51
who's
12:51
exercised
12:52
it
12:52
that
12:52
little.
12:53  Caroline Bartley
I
12:53
think
12:53
collectively,
12:53
and
12:54
I
12:54
include
12:55
myself
12:55
in
12:55
this,
12:55
we
12:56
are
12:56
all
12:56
hanging
12:56
our
12:56
heads
12:57
in
12:57
shame
12:57
and
12:57
thinking
12:58
must
12:59
do
12:59
better.
13:00  Scott Andrews
And
13:01
oddly,
13:01
you
13:01
speak
13:01
with
13:02
most
13:02
vets
13:02
or
13:02
you
13:02
read
13:03
most
13:03
of
13:03
the
13:03
advice
13:03
online
13:04
regarding
13:04
adults
13:04
dogs.
13:05
The
13:06
suggestion
13:06
is
13:06
a
13:06
minimum
13:07
30
13:07
minutes
13:08
a
13:08
day,
13:08
twice
13:09
a
13:09
day,
13:09  Caroline Bartley
Which
13:09
would
13:10
seem,
13:10
sorry
13:10
to
13:11
interrupt,
13:11
would
13:12
not
13:12
seem
13:12
to
13:12
be
13:13
unreasonable
13:13
really.
13:14  Scott Andrews
No,
13:15
it's
13:15
not,
13:15
but
13:15
when
13:15
you
13:15
consider
13:16
that's
13:16
the
13:17
recommended
13:18
exercise
13:19
for
13:19
a
13:19
six
13:19
month
13:19
old
13:20
puppy,
13:21
not
13:21
a
13:21
five
13:21
year
13:21
old
13:21
adult
13:22
dog.
13:23
There
13:24
are
13:24
inherent
13:24
dangers
13:24
of
13:25
over-
13:25
exercising
13:25
puppies
13:26
before
13:26
they're
13:27
fully
13:27
developed.
13:27
And
13:28
that's
13:28
why
13:28
we
13:28
should
13:29
try
13:29
to
13:29
exercise
13:29
them
13:29
less.
13:30
But
13:31
by
13:31
and
13:31
large,
13:32
it's
13:32
a
13:32
question
13:33
of
13:33
watching
13:33
your
13:34
own
13:34
dog
13:34
and
13:34
examining
13:35
the
13:35
patterns
13:36
within
13:36
your
13:36
own
13:36
dog's
13:36
behavior
13:37
to
13:37
try
13:38
and
13:38
determine
13:39
whether
13:39
you're
13:39
exhausting
13:39
your
13:40
dog
13:40
or
13:40
whether
13:41
your
13:41
dog
13:41
still
13:41
has
13:41
too
13:42
much
13:42
energy
13:42
leftover.
13:43
So
13:44
we're
13:44
in
13:44
this
13:44
remarkably
13:45
precarious
13:45
position.
13:46  Caroline Bartley
Are
13:46
there
13:46
any
13:47
particular
13:48
tips
13:49
or
13:49
strategies
13:50
that
13:50
you
13:51
use
13:52
to
13:52
recognize
13:54
if
13:54
you're
13:54
giving
13:55
your
13:55
dog
13:55
enough
13:55
exercise
13:56
or
13:56
if
13:56
your
13:56
dog
13:57
has
13:57
had
13:57
enough
13:58
exercise?
13:59  Scott Andrews
If
13:59
you
13:59
speak
13:59
to
14:00
any
14:00
vet,
14:00
they'll
14:00
always
14:01
tell
14:01
you
14:02
that
14:02
you
14:02
should
14:02
be
14:02
able
14:03
to
14:04
feel
14:04
your
14:04
dog's
14:04
ribs,
14:05
but
14:05
not
14:05
see
14:05
them.
14:06
Okay.
14:07  Caroline Bartley
Yes.
14:08
I
14:08
know
14:08
because
14:09
my
14:09
vet
14:09
has
14:10
always
14:10
said
14:10
to
14:10
me,
14:11
there
14:11
should
14:11
be
14:11
just
14:12
the
14:12
very
14:12
slightest
14:14
layer
14:14
of
14:16
insulation
14:16
over
14:16
her
14:17
ribs.
14:18  Scott Andrews
That's
14:18
a
14:18
good
14:18
way
14:18
to
14:18
measure
14:20
precisely
14:20
how
14:21
fit
14:21
or
14:21
healthy
14:22
your
14:22
dog
14:22
is
14:22
looking.
14:23
Personally,
14:24
I'm
14:25
loathe
14:25
to
14:25
admit
14:25
this.
14:26
I
14:27
actually
14:27
weigh
14:27
my
14:28
dogs
14:29
on
14:29
a
14:29
home
14:29
scale
14:30
once
14:30
a
14:30
week.
14:31  Caroline Bartley
You
14:31
weigh
14:31
them
14:32
once
14:32
a
14:32
week?
14:32  Scott Andrews
The
14:33
reason
14:33
I
14:33
do
14:33
this
14:33
is
14:34
because
14:34
this
14:34
enables
14:35
me
14:35
to
14:35
get
14:35
a
14:35
clearer
14:36
picture
14:36
of
14:36
their
14:36
health,
14:37
every
14:38
breed
14:38
of
14:38
dog
14:39
as
14:39
a
14:39
weight
14:40
category,
14:41
should
14:41
we
14:41
say
14:41
that
14:41
they
14:41
should
14:41
be
14:41
in.
14:42  Caroline Bartley
Life
14:43
being
14:43
as
14:43
it
14:43
is
14:43
now,
14:44
I
14:45
would
14:45
guess
14:45
that
14:46
there
14:46
are
14:46
a
14:46
lot
14:46
of
14:46
us
14:47
who
14:48
don't
14:48
have
14:48
the
14:48
time
14:49
to
14:49
weigh