Counting Countries

With a membership of only around 100, it’s one of the most exclusive clubs on Earth. In fact, more people have been to outer space than have earned their way into this, the ultimate travel club. According to the United Nations there are 193 sovereign nations in the world. Welcome to the only podcast to bring you the stories from the dedicated few who’ve spent their lives on the singular quest of traveling to them all. Welcome, to Counting Countries. With your host, Ric Gazarian.


episode 90: Graham Hughes…Three Hobbits Named Mohammed

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A fleeting tweet recently connected me to Graham Hughes and paved the way for this podcast.  I had reached out to him years ago, but my email ended up in a spam folder.  So for those who say nothing good comes from Twitter, you now stand corrected.  

Thanks to my patrons William Schelling, Steph Rowe, Ted Nims, Bisa Myles, and Adam Hickman for supporting Counting Countries. And a warm welcome to our new patron, Simen Flotvik Mathisen, from Norway.  They help pay for the production of this podcast.  You can support this podcast by going to  My patrons will hear 30 more minutes of my conversation with Graham. 


Untamed Borders is the sponsor of this podcast, and we will be hearing a few words from James Willcox, the co-founder, on how to manage safety and security when traveling. 

Graham is no stranger to the extreme traveler community.  He completed his quest to travel to every country in the world in 2013.  He claimed the Guinness World Record as the fastest time to visit all countries by public surface transport.  Graham shares a lifetime of stories from his travels from watching the sunrise from the top of the Pyramids of Giza to spending time in jail in Cape Verde.  You can imagine which one was a more pleasant experience.  And don’t worry, we speak about Thor Pedersen and his quest and claim to be the first to travel to every country in the world with only surface transportation.       


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Graham was in the UK while I was recording in Bangkok.  Please listen in and enjoy.  

Thank you to my Patrons….William Schelling, Simen Flotvik Mathisen, Steph Rowe, Adam Hickman, Bisa Myles & Ted Nims.

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Check out our friend: Large Minority.  They organize international rallies around the world, including Sri Lanka, Cambodia, the Philippines, and the Amazon.  And watch my full-length documentary in Cambodia when I traveled with Large Minority.   

More About Graham Hughes:
  • Born in: UK
  • Passports: UK


  • The Odyssey Expedition


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About Counting Countries

Counting Countries is the only podcast to bring you the stories from the dedicated few who’ve spent their lives on the singular quest of traveling to every country in the world. Fewer people have traveled to every country in the world than have been to outer space.

Theme music for this podcast is Demeter’s Dance, written, performed, and provided by Mundi. 

About GlobalGaz

Ric Gazarian is the host of Counting Countries. He is the author of three books: Hit The Road: India, 7000 KM To Go, and Photos From Chernobyl.  He is the producer of two travel documentaries: Hit The Road: India and Hit The Road: Cambodia.  

Ric is also on his own quest to visit every country in the world. You can see where he has traveled so far and keep up with his journey at


Well…that depends on who you ask! 

  • The United Nations states that there are 193 member states.
  • The British Foreign and Commonwealth office states that there are 226 countries and territories.
  • The Traveler’s Century Club states that there are 329 sovereign nations, territories, enclaves, and islands.
  • The Most Traveled Person states that there are 949 unique parts of the world.
  • The Nomad Mania divides the world into 1301 regions. 
  • SISO says there are 3,978 places in the world.  
  • Me? My goal is the 193 countries that are recognized by the UN, but I am sure I will visit some other places along the way.

An analysis of these lists and who is the best traveled by Kolja Spori.

Disclaimer: I will earn a fee if you order from Amazon/Agoda. Or book a trip through G Adventures.  PS  Thanks!   



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 2020-09-10  2h48m