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episode 1: The Mysterious Murder of Oakey "Al" Kite [transcript]


There are some people who are always ready to think the best of the world and the people in it. Tonight we’ll tell the story of what happened when one such “nice guy” opened his home to a mysterious stranger.
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 2020-10-28  40m
 
 
00:00  Speaker 1
I'm
00:01
Jen
00:01
Lee
00:01
and
00:01
I'm
00:02
Janice
00:02
Olivan
00:02
.
00:02
And
00:03
we'd
00:03
like
00:03
to
00:03
welcome
00:03
you
00:03
to
00:04
beneath
00:04
your
00:04
bed,
00:05
a
00:05
podcast
00:06
where
00:06
we
00:06
drag
00:06
out
00:06
all
00:06
those
00:07
fears
00:07
at
00:07
work,
00:07
beneath
00:08
our
00:08
beds
00:09
from
00:09
the
00:09
paranormal
00:09
to
00:10
true
00:10
crime,
00:10
to
00:11
the
00:11
simply
00:11
strange
00:12
along
00:12
the
00:12
way,
00:12
we'll
00:13
be
00:13
drinking
00:13
cocktails
00:14
and
00:14
sharing
00:14
stories
00:14
from
00:15
our
00:15
Appalachian
00:15
upbringings.
00:17
There's
00:17
some
00:17
people
00:17
who
00:17
are
00:17
always
00:18
ready
00:18
to
00:18
think
00:18
the
00:18
best
00:19
of
00:19
the
00:19
world
00:19
and
00:19
the
00:19
people
00:20
in
00:20
it
00:20
tonight.
00:21
We'll
00:21
tell
00:21
the
00:21
story
00:21
of
00:21
what
00:22
happened
00:22
when
00:22
one
00:22
such
00:23
nice
00:23
guy
00:23
opened
00:24
his
00:24
home
00:24
to
00:24
a
00:24
mysterious
00:25
stranger.
00:40  Speaker 2
How
00:40
are
00:40
you?
00:41  Speaker 1
I'm
00:41
doing
00:42
well.
00:42
How
00:42
are
00:42
you?
00:43
I'm
00:44
glad
00:44
it's
00:45
Friday.
00:45
Oh,
00:46
me
00:46
too.
00:46
It's
00:47
been
00:47
a
00:47
week
00:48
and
00:48
it's
00:48
been
00:48
a
00:48
week.
00:49
It's
00:49
been
00:50
a
00:50
week
00:50
trying
00:50
to
00:50
get
00:50
this
00:50
podcast
00:51
off
00:51
the
00:51
ground.
00:52
We
00:52
have
00:52
had
00:52
more
00:52
technical
00:53
issues
00:53
this
00:53
week.
00:55
Like
00:55
it's
00:55
been
00:55
the
00:55
week
00:55
from
00:55
hell.
00:56
Anyone
00:57
who
00:57
thinks
00:57
you
00:57
can
00:57
just
00:58
take
00:58
your
00:58
mic
00:59
and
00:59
plug
00:59
it
00:59
into
01:00
the
01:00
computer.
01:00
Yeah.
01:00
You
01:00
can
01:01
do
01:01
that,
01:01
but
01:02
it
01:02
is
01:02
much
01:03
harder
01:03
than
01:03
it
01:03
sounds.
01:04
Absolutely.
01:05
So
01:05
it's
01:05
really,
01:06
I
01:06
think
01:06
when
01:06
we
01:06
got
01:06
on
01:06
tonight
01:07
and
01:07
our
01:07
sound
01:08
was
01:08
working,
01:09
everything's
01:09
going
01:09
to
01:09
be
01:09
in
01:09
order.
01:10
I
01:10
was
01:10
like,
01:10
yes,
01:11
we
01:11
can
01:11
finally
01:12
do
01:12
this.
01:13
Yeah.
01:13
Thank
01:13
God.
01:14
And
01:14
speaking
01:15
to
01:15
God,
01:15
what
01:15
do
01:15
you
01:15
think
01:15
of
01:15
Jerry
01:16
Falwell
01:16
jr.
01:17
Thank
01:17
God.
01:17
I
01:18
just
01:18
saw
01:18
it
01:18
actually,
01:19
just
01:19
before
01:19
I
01:19
got
01:19
on
01:20
here
01:20
with
01:20
you.
01:20
Um
01:20
,
01:20
I
01:20
was
01:21
scrolling
01:21
through
01:21
Facebook.
01:22
And
01:23
what
01:23
is
01:23
it?
01:23
He
01:24
had
01:24
some
01:24
kind
01:24
of
01:24
racy
01:24
photo
01:25
or
01:25
something.
01:25
That's
01:26
come
01:26
out
01:26
now.
01:26
He's
01:27
he's
01:28
been
01:28
shamed.
01:29
Yes.
01:29
He
01:30
had,
01:30
he
01:30
posted
01:31
a
01:31
photo
01:32
to
01:32
Instagram.
01:33
I
01:33
think
01:33
it
01:33
was
01:33
Instagram
01:34
or
01:34
one
01:34
of
01:34
his
01:34
social
01:35
media
01:35
accounts.
01:36
And
01:36
he
01:36
did
01:36
it
01:36
by
01:36
accident
01:37
evidently
01:38
and
01:38
he
01:38
standing
01:39
next
01:39
to
01:39
a
01:39
young
01:40
woman
01:40
who
01:41
I
01:41
think
01:41
she
01:42
looks
01:42
like
01:42
she's
01:42
wearing
01:42
a
01:43
wig
01:43
and
01:44
they
01:44
both
01:45
had
01:45
their
01:45
pants
01:45
on
01:46
button
01:46
them
01:46
to
01:46
end
01:47
their
01:47
stomachs
01:47
exposed.
01:49
So
01:49
if
01:49
you
01:49
can
01:49
imagine
01:50
Jerry
01:50
Falwell
01:51
jr.
01:51
With,
01:51
do
01:51
I
01:52
have
01:52
to
01:53
yeah.
01:53
With
01:53
his
01:53
,
01:54
uh,
01:54
his
01:54
stomach
01:54
exposed
01:55
hairy
01:55
belly.
01:57
Yeah
01:57
.
01:57
It
01:57
was
01:57
kind
01:57
of
01:58
hairy
01:58
.
01:58
I
01:58
think
01:59
I'm
01:59
not
01:59
an
01:59
expert
02:00
on
02:01
men's
02:02
Belize
02:02
,
02:02
but
02:02
it
02:02
looked
02:03
kind
02:03
of
02:03
hairy
02:03
to
02:03
me.
02:04
So
02:04
he
02:04
also
02:04
had
02:05
a
02:05
drink
02:05
in
02:05
his
02:06
hand
02:07
and
02:07
something
02:08
in
02:08
the
02:08
caption
02:08
said,
02:09
this
02:09
is
02:09
just
02:10
black
02:11
water.
02:12
Oh
02:12
my
02:12
God.
02:13
So
02:13
it
02:13
looked
02:14
like
02:14
it
02:14
was
02:14
alcohol.
02:16
Of
02:16
course.
02:16
So
02:17
for
02:17
all
02:17
those
02:18
petty
02:18
things
02:18
that
02:18
they
02:18
throw
02:19
students
02:19
off
02:19
campus
02:20
for
02:20
at
02:20
Liberty
02:21
university,
02:22
evidently
02:23
Jerry
02:23
Falwell
02:23
jr.
02:24
Can
02:24
just
02:24
do
02:25
whatever
02:25
he
02:25
likes.
02:25
Or
02:25
maybe
02:25
not.
02:26
Now
02:26
that
02:26
they've
02:26
asked
02:27
him
02:27
to
02:27
take
02:28
a
02:28
temporary
02:28
leave
02:29
of
02:29
absence,
02:29
what's
02:30
in
02:30
your
02:30
high
02:30
ball
02:30
glass
02:31
tonight.
02:32
I
02:32
started
02:33
off
02:33
making
02:34
a
02:34
French
02:35
75
02:36
and
02:36
then
02:37
it
02:38
developed
02:38
into
02:40
something
02:40
completely
02:41
different.
02:41
I
02:41
don't
02:41
even
02:42
know
02:42
what
02:42
you
02:42
would
02:42
call
02:43
it.
02:43
I
02:43
added
02:43
some,
02:44
some
02:44
lemon
02:45
cello.
02:45
I
02:46
added
02:47
some
02:47
st
02:47
Germain
02:49
to
02:49
it.
02:50
And
02:51
I
02:51
think
02:51
I
02:52
added
02:52
some
02:52
vodka
02:52
as
02:53
well.
02:53
That
02:53
sounds
02:54
so
02:54
delicious,
02:54
honestly.
02:55
Yeah
02:55
.
02:55
So
02:56
it's
02:56
not
02:56
a
02:56
friend
02:56
75
02:57
now
02:57
,
02:57
does
02:58
it
02:58
have
02:58
champagne
02:59
too
02:59
?
02:59
Top
02:59
it
02:59
off?
03:00
I
03:00
use
03:00
Prosecco
03:01
that
03:01
you
03:01
had
03:01
given
03:02
me
03:02
before.
03:03
So
03:03
I
03:03
had
03:03
it
03:03
in
03:03
the
03:03
fridge
03:04
and
03:04
I
03:04
thought
03:04
let's
03:04
try
03:05
this.
03:05
And
03:05
with
03:05
the
03:05
COVID
03:06
I
03:06
don't
03:06
really
03:06
want
03:07
to
03:07
go
03:07
running
03:07
to
03:07
the
03:07
liquor
03:08
store.
03:08
So
03:08
I'm
03:08
trying
03:09
to
03:09
use
03:09
up
03:09
everything
03:09
that's
03:10
in.
03:10
Yeah.
03:11  Speaker 3
Well,
03:11
you're
03:11
probably
03:11
going
03:11
to
03:12
come
03:12
up
03:12
with
03:12
some
03:12
interesting
03:12
cocktails,
03:13
just
03:13
trying
03:14
to
03:14
work
03:14
through
03:14
your
03:14
stuff
03:14
.
03:15  Speaker 1
Cash
03:15
.
03:15
I
03:15
have
03:15
a
03:15
lot
03:16
of
03:16
booze
03:16
to
03:16
,
03:16
to
03:17
go
03:17
through.
03:18
So
03:18
typically
03:19
French
03:19
75
03:20
would
03:20
have
03:21
lemon
03:21
in
03:22
it
03:22
and
03:23
Jen
03:23
,
03:24
and
03:24
then
03:24
top
03:24
with
03:25
champagne
03:26
and
03:27
some
03:27
simple
03:27
syrup
03:28
in
03:28
that
03:28
really
03:29
yummy
03:29
if
03:29
you
03:29
haven't
03:29
had
03:29
it
03:29  Speaker 3
Before
03:30
I
03:30
had
03:30
about
03:30
a
03:30
year
03:31
ago
03:31
and
03:31
I
03:31
loved
03:31
it,
03:32
I
03:32
bought
03:32
this
03:32
really
03:33
cheap
03:33
bottle
03:33
of
03:33
champagne,
03:34
like
03:35
$5
03:35
champagne
03:36
while
03:36
really
03:36
sparkling
03:37
wine.
03:37
Cause
03:37
I'm
03:37
sure
03:38
it
03:38
was
03:38
not
03:38
from
03:39
champagne
03:39
,
03:39
Tanya
03:39
.
03:40
Um
03:40
,
03:40
but
03:40
I
03:40
bought
03:40
it
03:40
when
03:40
I
03:41
was
03:41
in
03:41
West
03:41
Virginia.
03:41
So
03:41
I'm
03:42
going
03:42
to
03:42
have
03:42
to
03:42
make
03:42
something
03:42
out
03:43
of
03:43
that
03:43
and
03:43
be
03:43
like
03:43
an
03:43
Appalachian
03:44
French.
03:45
Stephanie
03:45
,
03:47
I
03:47
need
03:47
to
03:47
moonshot
03:48
for
03:48
that.
03:49
Exactly.
03:50  Speaker 1
Yeah
03:50
.
03:50
There
03:50
you
03:51
go.
03:51
In
03:51
the
03:51
bar
03:51
there
03:51
and
03:52
asked
03:52
for
03:52
them
03:57  Speaker 3
Layer
03:57
on
03:57
me.
03:59
Okay
03:59
.
04:00  Speaker 1
Yay
04:00
.
04:00
So
04:00
let's
04:00
get
04:00
started
04:01
tonight.
04:01
We're
04:01
going
04:02
to
04:02
talk
04:02
about
04:02
the
04:02
case
04:03
of
04:03
oaky
04:04
El
04:04
kite.
04:05
And
04:06
this
04:06
case
04:06
takes
04:06
place
04:07
in
04:07
Aurora,
04:07
Colorado
04:08
on
04:08
a
04:09
Saturday,
04:09
May
04:11
22nd,
04:11
2004,
04:11
53
04:12
year
04:12
old,
04:13
Okie
04:13
El
04:13
kite
04:13
picked
04:14
up
04:14
his
04:14
girlfriend
04:15
and
04:15
he
04:15
took
04:15
her
04:15
to
04:15
the
04:15
airport.
04:16
Two
04:16
days
04:17
later,
04:17
he
04:17
didn't
04:17
show
04:18
up
04:18
for
04:18
work.
04:19
And
04:19
by
04:19
all
04:19
accounts,
04:20
he
04:20
was
04:20
very,
04:20
very
04:20
reliable.
04:22
Um,
04:22
his
04:23
coworkers
04:23
became
04:24
extremely
04:24
worried
04:24
about
04:24
him.
04:25
So
04:25
they
04:25
reached
04:26
out
04:26
to
04:26
his
04:26
sister,
04:27
Barbara.
04:27
They
04:28
told
04:28
her
04:28
that
04:28
he
04:28
hadn't
04:28
come
04:29
into
04:29
work
04:29
that
04:29
morning
04:30
and
04:30
they
04:30
were
04:30
worried
04:30
about
04:31
him
04:31
.
04:31  Speaker 3
That's
04:31
never
04:31
a
04:32
good
04:32
sign.
04:32
Is
04:32
it?
04:33
It
04:33
never
04:33
goes
04:33
well
04:34
when
04:34
the
04:34
person
04:34
doesn't
04:34
show
04:35
up
04:35  Speaker 1
For
04:35
me,
04:36
because
04:37
sometimes
04:38  Speaker 3
You
04:38
show
04:39
up
04:39
for
04:39
work.
04:39  Speaker 1
Oh
04:39
no,
04:40
I
04:40
do.
04:40
But
04:40
sometimes
04:40
I
04:40
forget
04:41
to
04:41
tell
04:41
people
04:41
when
04:42
you
04:42
know
04:42
,
04:42
I'm
04:42
taking
04:43
the
04:43
day
04:43
off
04:44
and
04:44
I'll
04:44
get
04:44
calls
04:45
or
04:45
random
04:45
texts
04:46
about
04:46
my,
04:46
my,
04:47
wherever
04:47
.
04:47
I
04:47
felt
04:47
my
04:48
whereabouts.
04:49  Speaker 3
That's
04:49
true.
04:50
I
04:50
think
04:50
I've
04:50
done
04:50
that
04:50
with
04:50
you
04:51
before.
04:51
Are
04:51
you
04:51
okay?
04:52
Are
04:52
you
04:53
on
04:53
the
04:53
line
04:53
?
04:53  Speaker 1
Multiple
04:54
people
04:55
have
04:55
done
04:55
that
04:55
with
04:55
me.
04:56
So
04:56
yeah,
04:56
unless
04:57
you're
04:57
me,
04:57
then
04:58
it's
04:58
very
04:59
concerning.
05:01
So
05:01
when
05:01
they
05:01
called
05:01
her
05:01
sister,
05:02
Barbara,
05:02
she
05:02
was
05:03
really,
05:03
really
05:04
concerned.
05:04
And
05:05
she
05:05
told
05:05
them
05:06
go
05:06
to
05:06
Al's
05:06
house
05:07
and
05:08
try
05:09
to
05:09
get
05:09
him
05:09
to
05:09
come
05:09
to
05:09
the
05:09
door
05:10
and
05:10
also
05:10
call
05:10
the
05:10
police.
05:11
So
05:12
when
05:12
his
05:12
coworkers
05:12
went
05:13
to
05:13
Al's
05:14
townhome
05:14
,
05:14
they
05:14
were
05:14
not
05:14
going
05:15
to
05:15
his
05:15
door
05:15
calling
05:16
for
05:16
him
05:16
.
05:17
Al
05:17
never
05:17
came
05:17
to
05:17
the
05:18
door.
05:18
So
05:18
they
05:18
call
05:18
the
05:19
police
05:19
and
05:19
the
05:19
police
05:20
arrived.
05:21
And
05:21
when
05:21
they
05:21
went
05:21
inside,
05:23
they
05:23
ended
05:23
up
05:23
going
05:24
downstairs
05:25
and
05:25
they
05:25
found
05:26
Al
05:27
face
05:27
down
05:28
where
05:28
his
05:28
feet
05:28
had
05:29
been
05:29
bound
05:29
behind
05:30
him
05:30
and
05:30
also
05:30
his
05:31
arms.
05:32
And
05:32
he
05:32
was
05:32
deceased.
05:33
One
05:33
of
05:33
the
05:33
things
05:34
that
05:34
was
05:34
most
05:35
notable
05:36
or
05:36
stood
05:36
out,
05:37
and
05:37
there
05:37
was
05:37
a
05:37
lot
05:38
of
05:38
things
05:38
just
05:38
to
05:38
stand
05:39
out.
05:39
In
05:39
this
05:39
case,
05:40
his
05:40
feet
05:40
were
05:41
severely
05:41
bruised.
05:42
And
05:42
the
05:42
coroner
05:43
report
05:44
indicates
05:44
that
05:45
he
05:45
was
05:46
most
05:46
likely
05:47
tortured
05:47
for
05:47
hours.
05:48
What
05:49
they
05:49
also
05:49
found
05:50
was
05:50
that
05:50
he
05:50
had,
05:51
and
05:51
this
05:51
just
05:51
makes
05:51
me
05:51
cringe.
05:53
He
05:53
had
05:53
knives
05:53
that
05:54
have
05:54
been
05:54
inserted
05:54
into
05:55
his
05:55
ears.
05:57
He
05:58
had
05:58
a
05:58
knife
05:59
inserted
05:59
over
06:00
one
06:00
of
06:00
his
06:00
eyes
06:01
and
06:01
his
06:02
throat
06:02
had
06:02
also
06:03
been
06:03
cut.
06:04
And
06:04
the
06:04
first
06:04
two
06:04
things
06:05
you
06:05
mentioned,
06:05
like
06:05
the,
06:07  Speaker 3
I
06:07
don't
06:07
know,
06:07
I'm
06:07
imagining
06:08
these
06:08
thin
06:08
little
06:08
knives.
06:09
I
06:09
don't
06:09
know
06:09
what
06:09
the
06:09
knives
06:10
were
06:10
actually
06:10
like,
06:10
but
06:11
that
06:11
doesn't
06:11
seem
06:11
like
06:11
something
06:11
that
06:12
would
06:12
kill
06:12
you.
06:12
It's
06:12
just
06:13
amount
06:13
of
06:13
torture
06:14
and
06:14
that's,
06:14
that's
06:14
horrifying
06:15  Speaker 1
Kind
06:16
of
06:16
large
06:16
to
06:16
me
06:16
who
06:17
knows
06:17
if
06:17
they
06:17
were
06:18
exact
06:18
replicas,
06:19
but
06:19
anything,
06:20
a
06:21
knife
06:21
,
06:21
anything
06:21
above
06:21
two
06:22
inches
06:22
looks
06:23
huge
06:23
to
06:23
me.
06:25
They
06:25
went
06:25
upstairs
06:26
and
06:27
just
06:28
getting
06:28
that
06:28
.
06:28  Speaker 3
I
06:29
just
06:29
,
06:31
it
06:31
just
06:31
takes
06:31
me
06:31
a
06:32
while
06:32
.
06:32
Sometimes
06:33  Speaker 1
The
06:33
one
06:33
upstairs
06:34
and
06:34
in
06:34
the
06:34
sink,
06:35
they
06:36
found
06:36
bleach
06:36
and
06:37
water.
06:37
And
06:38
in
06:38
that
06:39
were
06:39
knives.
06:40
They
06:40
look
06:40
to
06:40
be
06:40
knives
06:41
that
06:41
were
06:41
kept
06:41
at
06:42
Al's
06:42
home.
06:43
Look
06:43
to
06:43
be
06:43
his
06:43
own
06:43
personal
06:44
knives,
06:44
kitchen
06:44
knives.
06:45  Speaker 3
Damn.
06:46
That
06:46
always
06:46
pisses
06:46
me
06:47
off.
06:47
I
06:47
have
06:47
to
06:47
say,
06:47
when
06:48
people
06:48
get
06:48
killed
06:48
by
06:49
their
06:49
own
06:49
shit,
06:50
you
06:50
know
06:50
,
06:50  Speaker 1
Freaks
06:50
me
06:50
out,
06:50
just
06:51
looking
06:51
at
06:51
the
06:52
knife
06:52
block,
06:53
where
06:53
we
06:53
keep
06:53
our
06:53
knives
06:54
and
06:54
it
06:54
just
06:54
gives
06:54
me
06:54
the
06:54
creeps.
06:55
Especially
06:55
if
06:55
I'm
06:55
by
06:55
myself.
06:56  Speaker 3
I
06:57
felt
06:57
that
06:57
too.
06:58
I'm
06:58
glad
06:58
I'm
06:58
not
06:59
the
06:59
only
06:59
one.
06:59
This
06:59
is
07:00  Speaker 1
Illuminating.
07:01
Yeah.
07:01
When
07:01
I'm
07:01
alone
07:02
,
07:02
uh
07:02
,
07:02
that
07:02
really,
07:03
really
07:03
scares
07:04
me
07:04
for
07:04
whatever
07:04
reason.
07:05
Wow.
07:06
I
07:06
didn't
07:06
know
07:06
that
07:06
about
07:06
you
07:07
now.
07:07
You
07:07
know?
07:07
And
07:08
then
07:08
also
07:08
things
07:08
being
07:08
beneath
07:09
my
07:09
bed.
07:10
Yeah.
07:10
Someone
07:11
looking
07:11
in
07:11
the
07:11
window
07:13
that
07:13
was
07:13
super
07:14
freaky
07:14
to
07:14
me.
07:15
So
07:16
in
07:16
the
07:17
bleach,
07:17
they
07:17
also
07:18
found
07:19
a
07:19
drinking
07:20
glass.
07:21
They
07:21
found
07:21
keys
07:22
to
07:23
Al's
07:24
townhome
07:25
and
07:25
they
07:25
also
07:26
found
07:26
a
07:26
honing
07:27
rod.
07:28
So
07:28
what's
07:29
the
07:29
honing
07:29
rod.
07:29
Well,
07:30
if
07:30
you
07:30
have
07:30
that,
07:31
I
07:31
don't
07:31
even
07:31
know
07:31
what
07:31
the
07:31
proper
07:31
term
07:32
is
07:32
from
07:33
the
07:33
block
07:33
that
07:33
you
07:33
keep
07:33
your
07:34
knives
07:34
in
07:35  Speaker 3
A
07:36
lot
07:36
of
07:36
sharpen.
07:36
Like
07:36
,
07:36
do
07:36
you
07:37
sharpen
07:37
your
07:37
knife
07:37
with
07:37
it?
07:38  Speaker 1
Exactly.
07:39
Like
07:39
I've
07:40
tried
07:40
to
07:40
use
07:40
it
07:41
before
07:41
and
07:42
I
07:42
don't
07:42
know
07:42
what
07:42
I'm
07:42
doing.
07:42
It
07:42
never
07:43
seems
07:43
to
07:43
work.
07:43
So
07:43
it
07:44
just,
07:44
just
07:45
stays
07:45
there.
07:45
It
07:46
never
07:46
goes
07:46
any
07:46
place.
07:47
So
07:47
yeah,
07:47
it
07:47
was
07:47
one
07:48
of
07:48
those.
07:48
It
07:48
was
07:48
a
07:49
honing
07:49
rod
07:50
and
07:51
the
07:51
police
07:52
found
07:53
one
07:54
drop
07:55
of
07:55
single
07:55
source
07:56
DNA,
07:57
meaning
07:57
it
07:57
belonged
07:58
to
07:58
just
07:58
one
07:58
person.
07:59
It
07:59
was
07:59
a
07:59
mixed
07:59
with
08:00
ALS
08:00
on
08:01
the
08:01
steps.
08:02
And
08:02
when
08:02
the
08:02
detectives
08:03
were
08:03
going
08:03
through
08:03
the
08:03
house,
08:04
they
08:05
fingerprinted
08:06
almost
08:06
everything.
08:08
And
08:08
it
08:08
just,
08:08
it
08:08
came
08:09
up
08:09
with
08:09
nothing.
08:10
And
08:10
they
08:11
also,
08:11
after
08:11
using
08:12
luminol,
08:13
they
08:13
picked
08:13
up
08:14
where
08:14
the
08:14
killer
08:15
had
08:16
taken
08:16
a
08:16
shower
08:18
now
08:18
and
08:18
ELLs
08:18
,
08:19  Speaker 3
Luminol
08:19
picks
08:19
up
08:19
blood.
08:20
Right.
08:20
It
08:20
,
08:20
it
08:21
shows
08:21
blood
08:22
kind
08:22
of
08:22
glowing.
08:23  Speaker 1
Exactly.
08:23
So
08:24
if
08:24
you,
08:24
there
08:24
was
08:25
pronounced
08:25
evidence
08:26
of
08:26
what
08:26
it
08:26
would
08:27
show
08:27
up
08:28
on
08:28
when
08:28
you
08:28
use
08:29
luminol,
08:29
but
08:29
if
08:29
you
08:29
didn't
08:30
use
08:30
it,
08:30
I
08:30
guess
08:30
you
08:30
wouldn't
08:31
be
08:31
able
08:31
to
08:31
see
08:31
it.
08:32  Speaker 3
But
08:32
so
08:32
the
08:32
blood
08:32
was
08:33
probably
08:33
Alison
08:33
,
08:33
I
08:33
guess,
08:34
in
08:34
the
08:34
shower,
08:34
like
08:34
the
08:35
blood
08:35
that
08:35
he
08:35
had
08:35
on
08:35
him
08:35
from
08:36
him
08:36
.
08:37  Speaker 1
Yeah
08:37
.
08:37
Okay
08:37
.
08:37
Yeah.
08:37
It
08:37
would
08:39
totally
08:39
have
08:40
to
08:40
be
08:40
his
08:41
to
08:41
carry
08:41
out
08:41
the
08:41
kind
08:42
of
08:42
crime
08:43
he
08:43
would
08:43
have
08:43
been
08:43
covered
08:43
in
08:44
blood.
08:45
So
08:46
he
08:46
evidently
08:46
stayed
08:47
quite
08:47
some
08:47
time
08:48
at
08:49
Al's
08:49
house.
08:50
And
08:51
what's
08:51
significant
08:52
about
08:52
the
08:52
keys
08:52
is
08:53
that
08:53
Al
08:54
had
08:54
a
08:55
roommate,
08:56
he
08:56
was
08:57
going
08:57
to
08:57
run
08:57
out
08:57
the
08:58
room
08:58
and
08:58
his
08:58
,
08:59
in
08:59
his
08:59
townhome
09:00
and
09:01
whoever
09:01
the
09:02
roommate
09:02
was
09:02
immediately
09:03
shot
09:03
to
09:03
the
09:03
top
09:04
of
09:04
their
09:04
list
09:04
because
09:04
they
09:04
saw
09:05
the
09:05
keys.
09:05
Yeah
09:05
,
09:05
of
09:06
course.
09:07
Now
09:07
Al's
09:07
girlfriend,
09:08
Linda.
09:09
The
09:09
last
09:10
time
09:10
she
09:10
saw
09:10
him,
09:11
he
09:11
dropped
09:12
her
09:12
off
09:12
at
09:12
the
09:12
airport
09:13
and
09:13
they
09:14
had
09:14
just
09:14
started
09:14
this
09:14
new
09:15
relationship
09:16
and
09:16
they
09:16
were
09:16
calling
09:16
each
09:16
other
09:17
girlfriend,
09:17
Hey
09:17
girlfriend,
09:18
Hey
09:18
boyfriend.
09:20
And
09:20
all
09:20
that
09:20
sweet
09:21
cutesy
09:21
stuff
09:22
at
09:22
the
09:22
beginning,
09:24
you
09:24
remember
09:25
that?
09:26
She
09:26
called
09:26
him
09:27
later
09:28
at
09:28
around
09:28
three
09:28
30.
09:29
And
09:29
she
09:30
was
09:30
saying
09:30
that
09:30
when
09:31
she
09:31
talked
09:31
to
09:31
him,
09:31
he
09:31
seemed
09:32
very
09:33
reserved,
09:34
you
09:34
know
09:34
,
09:34
very
09:34
flat,
09:35
not
09:36
his,
09:36
you
09:36
know
09:36
,
09:36
usual
09:37
outgoing,
09:38
jovial
09:39
self.
09:40
So
09:41
there's
09:41
speculation
09:42
that
09:42
perhaps
09:43
a
09:43
killer
09:43
could
09:43
have
09:43
been
09:44
there
09:44
at
09:44
that
09:44
time.
09:46
The
09:46
killer
09:46
had
09:47
filled
09:47
out
09:47
this
09:48
or
09:48
the
09:48
suspect
09:49
had
09:49
filled
09:49
out
09:50
this
09:50
rental
09:50
application
09:52
for
09:52
Al
09:53
and
09:53
everything
09:54
on
09:54
it
09:54
was
09:54
false
09:55
except
09:55
for
09:55
a
09:55
phone
09:56
number.
09:57
And
09:57
when
09:58
Linda
09:58
met
09:58
him,
09:59
she
10:00
had
10:00
come
10:00
by
10:00
Al's
10:00
house.
10:01
So
10:02
he
10:02
came
10:02
upstairs
10:03
or
10:03
he's
10:03
like,
10:03
Oh,
10:03
do
10:03
you
10:03
want
10:03
to
10:03
meet,
10:04
you
10:04
know,
10:04
my
10:04
potential
10:05
roommate?
10:07
She's
10:07
like,
10:07
yeah,
10:07
I
10:07
do.
10:07
But
10:08
I
10:08
have
10:08
to
10:08
run
10:08
to
10:08
the
10:08
bathroom.
10:09
So
10:09
she
10:10
goes
10:10
to
10:10
the
10:10
bathroom,
10:10
she
10:11
comes
10:11
back
10:11
and
10:11
as
10:12
she
10:12
came
10:12
back
10:13
and
10:13
she
10:13
wasn't
10:13
gone
10:13
long,
10:14
she
10:14
saw
10:15
this
10:15
Robert
10:16
Cooper,
10:17
Birdly
10:17
leaving
10:18
the
10:18
house.
10:19
Didn't
10:19
turn
10:19
around.
10:20
Didn't
10:20
say
10:20
hello.
10:21
Didn't
10:21
say
10:21
bye.
10:22  Speaker 3
So
10:22
it
10:22
was
10:22
kind
10:22
of
10:22
like
10:22
he
10:23
was
10:23
trying
10:23
to
10:23
avoid
10:24
her.
10:24
Maybe
10:25
he
10:25
didn't
10:25
want
10:26  Speaker 1
That's
10:26
what,
10:26
that's
10:26
what
10:26
she
10:27
thinks.
10:27
So
10:28
she
10:28
only
10:28
saw
10:29
the
10:29
back
10:29
of
10:29
him
10:29
and
10:29
maybe
10:30
the
10:30
side
10:30
profile.
10:31
She
10:31
said
10:31
that
10:31
he
10:31
had
10:31
dark
10:32
curly
10:33
hair.
10:33
He
10:33
seemed
10:34
to
10:34
be
10:34
average
10:35
billed
10:35
,
10:36
but
10:36
he
10:36
was
10:36
also
10:36
nicely
10:37
dressed.
10:37
And
10:37
she
10:37
said
10:38
that
10:38
he
10:38
carried
10:38
a
10:38
cane,
10:39
which
10:39
is
10:39
super
10:40
creepy
10:40
to
10:40
me.
10:41
Yeah.
10:41
If
10:42
he
10:42
didn't
10:42
need
10:42
one.
10:42
So
10:43
when
10:43
they
10:43
ran
10:43
the
10:43
blood
10:44
in
10:45
codas
10:45
,
10:45
it
10:45
didn't
10:45
come
10:46
up
10:46
with
10:46
a
10:46
hit.
10:46
But
10:47
later
10:47
through
10:48
further
10:48
testing,
10:49
they
10:50
determined
10:50
that
10:50
this
10:50
blood
10:51
belonged
10:51
to
10:51
someone
10:52
who
10:52
was
10:53
from
10:53
the
10:53
Balkan
10:53
region,
10:54
which
10:54
is,
10:55
you
10:55
know
10:55
,
10:55
Albania,
10:56
Bosnia,
10:57
Romania
10:57
would
10:58
be
10:58
another.
10:59
And
11:00
by
11:00
all
11:00
accounts,
11:01
Al
11:01
was
11:01
a
11:02
really
11:02
nice
11:03
guy.
11:03
And
11:03
that
11:04
factors
11:04
in
11:05
to
11:05
his,
11:06
his
11:06
murder
11:06
as
11:07
well,
11:07
in
11:07
what
11:08
way
11:08
over
11:09
and
11:09
over
11:09
and
11:09
over
11:09
again,
11:10
that's
11:10
how
11:10
people
11:11
described
11:11
him.
11:11
He
11:11
was
11:12
nice.
11:12
He
11:12
was
11:12
really,
11:13
really
11:13
nice.
11:13
He
11:13
was
11:13
a
11:13
nice
11:14
person.
11:15
And
11:16
since
11:17
he
11:17
was
11:18
picked
11:19
to
11:19
commit
11:19
this
11:20
crime
11:20
against
11:21
speculation
11:22
is
11:22
that
11:23
he
11:23
was
11:23
chosen
11:24
because
11:24
he
11:24
was
11:24
nice.
11:25
He
11:25
would
11:25
never
11:26
suspect
11:26
someone
11:27
capable
11:28
of
11:28
doing
11:28
anything.
11:29
So
11:29
heinous,
11:29
I
11:29
mean,
11:29
who
11:30
would
11:31  Speaker 3
Exactly
11:31
,
11:31
but
11:31
he
11:31
would
11:32
never
11:32
be
11:32
able
11:32
to
11:33
imagine
11:33
that
11:34
this
11:34
guy
11:35
who's,
11:35
you
11:35
know,
11:36
filling
11:36
out
11:36
an
11:36
application
11:37
to
11:37
be
11:37
his
11:37
roommate
11:37
could
11:37
be
11:38
a
11:38
sociopath.
11:39
He
11:39
would
11:39
never,
11:40
he's
11:40
not
11:40
going
11:40
to
11:41
think
11:41
badly
11:41
of
11:41
him
11:41
,
11:42  Speaker 1
Nice
11:43
people
11:43
when
11:43
bad
11:43
things
11:44
happen
11:45
or
11:45
people
11:45
do
11:45
bad
11:45
things
11:46
to
11:46
them.
11:47
They
11:47
don't
11:47
see
11:47
it
11:47
coming.
11:47
I
11:48
think
11:48
because
11:48
it
11:49
would
11:49
never
11:49
occur
11:49
to
11:49
them
11:50
to
11:50
do
11:50
such
11:50
a
11:50
thing.
11:52
And
11:52
especially
11:52
what
11:53
to
11:53
him,
11:53
I
11:53
mean,
11:54
it's
11:54
just,
11:55
I've
11:55
,
11:56
it's
11:56
the
11:56
most
11:56
brutal
11:57
I
11:57
think
11:58
killing
11:58
I've
11:58
ever
11:58
heard.
11:59  Speaker 3
Yeah
11:59
.
12:00
It's
12:00
horrifying.
12:01
It
12:01
also
12:01
seems
12:01
strange
12:02
to
12:02
me
12:03
that,
12:03
I
12:04
mean,
12:04
it
12:04
seems
12:04
like
12:04
overkill
12:05
for
12:05
sure.
12:06
Like,
12:06
you
12:06
know,
12:06
the
12:06
guy,
12:07
the
12:07
whoever,
12:08
Robert
12:09
Cooper,
12:09
whoever
12:09
this
12:09
guy
12:09
is
12:10
is,
12:10
is
12:10
having
12:10
a
12:10
good
12:11
time.
12:11
Like
12:11
he's
12:12
playing
12:12
with
12:12
him.
12:13  Speaker 1
Yeah.
12:14
They
12:14
say
12:14
that
12:14
later
12:15
that
12:15
he's
12:15
really
12:16
seemed
12:16
to
12:16
enjoy
12:17
it.
12:18
A
12:18
lot
12:18
of
12:18
the
12:18
information
12:19
we
12:19
got
12:19
off
12:19
the
12:19
Paul
12:21
holes
12:21
show,
12:21
the
12:21
DNA
12:22
of
12:22
murder
12:22
was
12:23
one
12:23
of
12:23
the
12:23
sources
12:23
for
12:23
this,
12:24
where
12:24
a
12:24
lot
12:24
of
12:24
the
12:24
information
12:25
came
12:25
from
12:26
and
12:26
he
12:27
had
12:28
an
12:28
array
12:28
of
12:29
resources
12:29
at
12:29
his
12:30
fingertips
12:30
that
12:31
other
12:31
people
12:32
or
12:32
detectives
12:32
I
12:32
think
12:33
would
12:33
not
12:33
have
12:33
had.
12:34
So
12:34
when
12:35
to
12:35
the
12:35
,
12:35
the
12:35
course
12:36
of
12:36
the
12:36
detectives
12:37
research,
12:38
detective
12:38
Sobieski,
12:39
who
12:39
has
12:39
been
12:39
on
12:39
the
12:39
case
12:40
for
12:40
a
12:40
very
12:40
long
12:40
time,
12:41
they
12:42
found
12:43
out
12:43
that
12:43
everything
12:43
on
12:43
the
12:43
application
12:44
of
12:44
course
12:45
was
12:45
false.
12:46
The
12:47
name,
12:47
the
12:48
address
12:49
is
12:49
security
12:49
number.
12:50
And
12:51
they,
12:51
there
12:51
was
12:52
their
12:52
phone
12:52
number.
12:52
They
12:52
eventually
12:53
found
12:53
a
12:53
phone
12:53
number.
12:54
I
12:54
believe
12:54
they
12:54
found
12:55
that
12:55
at
12:55
his
12:56
and
12:56
his
12:56
work
12:57
and
12:58
they
12:58
call
12:58
the
12:58
number
12:59
and
12:59
it
13:00
ended
13:00
up
13:00
a
13:00
homeless
13:00
man.
13:01
I
13:01
picked
13:01
up
13:01
the
13:01
phone.
13:02
It
13:02
was
13:02
a
13:02
burden
13:03  Speaker 3
With
13:03
a
13:03
burner
13:03
phone
13:03
though.
13:03
I'm
13:04
just
13:04
curious,
13:04
like,
13:05
so
13:05
he
13:05
had
13:05
discarded
13:06
the
13:06
phone
13:06
somewhere
13:07
and
13:07
somebody
13:07
picked
13:07
it
13:07
up.
13:08
Is
13:08
that
13:08
what
13:08
happened?
13:09  Speaker 1
Yes.
13:10
Yes.
13:10
He
13:10
had
13:11
discarded
13:11
the
13:11
phone
13:12
and
13:12
someone
13:12
had
13:12
picked
13:12
it
13:12
up.
13:13
Okay
13:13
.
13:14
So
13:15
the
13:15
detectives
13:16
think
13:16
that
13:16
they're
13:17
going
13:17
to
13:17
catch
13:17
a
13:17
break,
13:17
even
13:18
though
13:18
it's
13:18
a
13:18
burner
13:18
phone,
13:19
because
13:19
they
13:20
can
13:20
maybe
13:20
trace
13:21
some
13:21
calls
13:21
that
13:21
he
13:22
made.
13:22
And
13:23
the
13:23
ended
13:23
up,
13:23
he
13:23
did
13:24
make
13:24
more
13:24
than
13:24
one
13:25
call
13:25
and
13:26
he
13:26
made
13:26
multiple
13:27
calls
13:27
to
13:27
people.
13:28
They're
13:28
all
13:29
people
13:30
who
13:30
placed
13:30
advertisements
13:31
in
13:32
newspapers
13:32
for
1