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episode 4: The Human Monster of Halloween [transcript]


Halloween has its pantheon of monsters – ghouls, ghosts, werewolves, and vampires, to name a few. But what about the monsters who live among us? Sure, sometimes evil arrives wearing a grotesque mask – but, other times, it can appear downright mundane. Whatever shape evil takes, those who dare to trust often never see it coming. Tonight, we’ll share two tales of when innocence and evil meet. 


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 2020-10-31  30m
 
 
00:01  Speaker 1
I'm
00:01
Jenna
00:01
Sullivan
00:02
and
00:02
I'm
00:02
Jen
00:03
Lee
00:03
.
00:03
And
00:03
we'd
00:04
like
00:04
to
00:04
welcome
00:04
you
00:04
to
00:04
beneath
00:05
your
00:05
bed,
00:06
a
00:06
podcast
00:06
where
00:06
we
00:06
drag
00:07
out
00:07
all
00:07
those
00:08
fears
00:08
that
00:08
lurk
00:09
beneath
00:09
our
00:09
beds
00:10
from
00:10
the
00:10
paranormal
00:11
to
00:11
true
00:11
crime,
00:12
to
00:12
the
00:12
simply
00:13
strange
00:14
along
00:14
the
00:14
way,
00:14
we'll
00:15
be
00:15
drinking
00:15
cocktails
00:16
and
00:16
sharing
00:16
stories
00:17
from
00:17
our
00:17
Appalachian
00:18
upbringings.
00:19
Halloween
00:20
has
00:20
its
00:20
Pantheon
00:21
of
00:21
monsters
00:21
goals,
00:22
ghosts,
00:23
werewolves,
00:23
and
00:23
vampires
00:24
to
00:24
name
00:24
a
00:25
few.
00:25
But
00:25
what
00:26
about
00:26
the
00:26
monsters
00:27
who
00:27
live
00:27
among
00:27
us?
00:28
Sure.
00:28
Sometimes
00:29
evil
00:29
arrives
00:30
wearing
00:30
a
00:30
grotesque
00:31
mask,
00:31
but
00:32
other
00:32
times
00:32
it
00:32
can
00:32
appear
00:33
downright
00:33
mundane,
00:35
whatever
00:35
shape
00:35
evil
00:36
takes.
00:36
Those
00:36
who
00:36
dare
00:37
to
00:37
trust
00:38
often
00:38
never
00:38
see
00:38
it
00:39
coming.
00:42
Jen.
00:43
Hey
00:43
Jen,
00:43
how
00:44
are
00:44
you
00:44
doing
00:44
tonight?
00:44
I
00:45
am
00:45
doing
00:45
okay.
00:45
How
00:46
are
00:46
you?
00:47
I'm
00:47
doing
00:47
great.
00:48
I'm
00:48
looking
00:48
forward
00:49
to
00:49
Halloween.
00:49
So
00:50
am
00:50
I,
00:50
I
00:51
love
00:51
Halloween.
00:51
It's
00:52
probably,
00:52
well,
00:52
I
00:52
mean,
00:53
I
00:53
like
00:53
Christmas,
00:53
but
00:53
Halloween
00:54
is
00:54
right
00:54
up
00:54
there
00:54
for
00:55
me.
00:55
I
00:55
love
00:55
it.
00:56
Christmas
00:56
is
00:57
my
00:57
favorite
00:57
as
00:57
you
00:57
know,
00:58
but
00:58
I
00:58
do
00:58
love
00:58
Halloween
00:59
too.
00:59
I
00:59
don't
00:59
get
01:00
any
01:00
trick-or-treaters
01:00
but
01:01
still
01:01
love
01:01
it.
01:02
What
01:02
are
01:02
you
01:02
planning
01:03
to
01:03
do
01:03
on
01:03
Halloween
01:03
night?
01:04
Um,
01:04
we're
01:05
not
01:05
going
01:05
to
01:05
do
01:05
anything.
01:06
We're
01:06
just
01:06
gonna
01:06
sit
01:06
here
01:07
and
01:08
wait
01:08
for
01:08
no
01:08
one
01:08
to
01:09
show
01:09
up
01:09
t
01:10
o,
01:11
to
01:11
eat
01:11
our
01:11
candy.
01:12
Wait
01:12
for
01:12
the
01:12
ghostly.
01:13
R
01:13
appings
01:13
on
01:13
your
01:13
window.
01:14
W
01:14
hen
01:14
y
01:14
ou're
01:14
a
01:14
window
01:15
pane,
01:15
we,
01:15
you
01:15
know,
01:16
we
01:16
give
01:16
the
01:16
good
01:16
out,
01:17
like,
01:17
you
01:18
know,
01:18
re
01:18
ceive
01:18
p
01:18
eanut
01:18
butter
01:19
cups.
01:19
I
01:19
guess
01:19
that's
01:20
probably
01:20
not
01:20
the
01:20
greatest
01:21
thing
01:21
to
01:21
g
01:21
ive
01:21
out.
01:22
Some
01:22
people
01:22
have
01:23
peanut
01:23
allergies.
01:23
Now
01:24
le
01:24
t
01:24
m
01:24
e
01:24
t
01:24
hink
01:24
about
01:24
it.
01:24
So
01:24
maybe
01:25
it's
01:25
not
01:25
so
01:25
good,
01:25
but
01:26
basically
01:26
the
01:26
chocolate
01:27
and
01:27
not
01:27
the
01:28
stuff
01:28
that
01:28
you
01:28
would
01:29
get
01:29
some
01:29
times
01:29
w
01:29
here
01:29
we
01:29
w
01:30
ould
01:30
trick
01:30
or
01:30
treat.
01:30
Yeah.
01:31
Well
01:31
the
01:31
worst
01:32
was
01:32
like
01:32
the
01:32
l
01:32
ion's
01:32
club
01:33
candy.
01:33
Do
01:33
you
01:33
remember
01:34
that
01:34
people
01:35
would
01:35
buy
01:35
like
01:35
five
01:35
pound
01:36
bags
01:36
from
01:36
the
01:36
l
01:37
ions
01:37
club?
01:38
And
01:38
it
01:38
was
01:38
like
01:39
these,
01:39
some
01:39
were
01:40
orange
01:40
and
01:40
some
01:40
were
01:41
black.
01:41
It
01:41
was
01:41
like
01:41
this
01:41
really
01:42
nasty
01:42
taffy.
01:43
And
01:44
I
01:44
think
01:44
that
01:44
was,
01:45
that
01:45
was
01:45
up
01:45
there
01:45
with
01:46
like
01:46
some
01:46
of
01:46
the
01:46
worst
01:47
what's
01:47
the
01:48
li
01:48
on's
01:48
c
01:48
lub
01:48
only
01:49
have
01:49
no
01:49
idea
01:49
what
01:49
that's
01:50
I
01:50
do
01:50
n't
01:50
k
01:50
n
01:50
ow.
01:50
I
01:51
think
01:51
they're
01:51
active
01:51
everywhere,
01:52
but
01:52
it's
01:52
kind
01:53
of,
01:53
I
01:53
think
01:53
it's
01:53
men
01:55
ki
01:55
nd
01:55
o
01:55
f
01:55
l
01:55
i
01:55
ked
01:55
t
01:56
he,
01:56
I
01:56
li
01:57
ked
01:57
t
01:57
he
01:57
elk
01:57
lodge,
01:58
like
01:58
the
01:58
elk
01:58
lodge.
01:59
Yeah.
01:59
And
01:59
I
01:59
think
02:00
th
02:00
eir
02:00
p
02:00
articular
02:00
charity
02:01
is
02:01
they
02:01
ra
02:01
ised
02:01
m
02:02
oney
02:02
for
02:03
the
02:03
blind.
02:03
So
02:04
I
02:04
think
02:04
they
02:04
just
02:05
sit
02:05
around
02:05
and
02:05
get
02:06
loaded
02:06
like
02:06
they
02:06
do
02:07
at
02:07
the
02:07
Elk
02:07
s
02:07
lo
02:07
dge.
02:08
Like
02:08
I
02:09
did
02:09
,
02:09
like
02:09
I
02:09
did
02:10
this
02:10
weekend.
02:11
Yeah.
02:11
You
02:11
shut
02:12
it
02:12
down
02:12
this
02:12
weekend.
02:14
So
02:15
I'm
02:15
not
02:15
going
02:15
to
02:15
be
02:15
drinking
02:15
tonight,
02:16
boys
02:16
and
02:16
girls.
02:17
Um,
02:17
yeah,
02:18
I
02:18
am
02:18
off
02:18
the
02:19
hooch
02:19
for
02:19
the
02:20
foreseeable
02:20
future.
02:21
It's
02:22
going
02:22
to
02:22
,
02:22
I
02:22
was,
02:23
yeah,
02:23
I
02:23
was
02:23
not,
02:24
well,
02:24
I
02:24
was
02:25
not,
02:25
well,
02:26
I
02:26
didn't
02:26
realize
02:27
she
02:27
did
02:27
the
02:27
shots
02:28
of
02:28
vodka.
02:29
He
02:29
did.
02:30
I
02:30
just
02:30
,
02:30
the
02:30
champagne,
02:31
I
02:31
sort
02:32
of
02:32
surreptitiously
02:33
poured
02:33
them
02:33
into
02:33
my
02:34
champagne
02:34
glass
02:34
and
02:35
I
02:35
downed
02:35
it
02:36
and
02:36
it
02:36
was
02:36
raspberry
02:37
and
02:37
it
02:37
was
02:37
like,
02:38
Oh
02:38
my
02:38
God,
02:38
it's
02:38
like
02:38
a
02:38
raspberry
02:39
that's
02:39
on
02:39
fire
02:41
going
02:41
down.
02:41
My
02:42
gullet
02:45
is
02:45
bad.
02:45
I'm
02:45
paying
02:46
for
02:46
it.
02:46
Now.
02:47
It
02:47
happens
02:47
to
02:47
the
02:48
best
02:48
of
02:48
us.
02:49
It
02:49
does.
02:49
It
02:49
does.
02:50
But
02:50
you
02:50
controlled
02:50
yourself
02:51
pretty
02:51
well.
02:52
Cause
02:52
we,
02:52
I
02:52
think
02:53
we
02:53
don't
02:53
get
02:53
to
02:53
see
02:53
each
02:53
other
02:54
that
02:54
often.
02:54
So
02:54
when
02:54
we
02:55
do,
02:55
it's
02:55
like,
02:56
I
02:56
think
02:56
I
02:56
,
02:57
I
02:57
don't
02:57
know.
02:57
I
02:58
guess
02:58
I
02:58
thought
02:58
like
02:58
I
02:58
had
02:58
to
02:59
really
02:59
tie
02:59
one
02:59
on
02:59
or
02:59
something.
03:00  Speaker 2
We
03:00
were
03:01
doing
03:01
this
03:01
from
03:01
afar
03:02
again.
03:02
We
03:02
were
03:02
out
03:03
on
03:03
your
03:03
front
03:03
porch.
03:04
So
03:04
we
03:04
were
03:04
social
03:04
distance.
03:06
Yep
03:06
.
03:06
Tonight
03:07
I'm
03:07
having,
03:08
what's
03:08
called
03:08
a
03:08
headless
03:09
horseman.
03:10
Oh
03:10
,
03:10
that's
03:10
cool.
03:11
Yeah.
03:11
I'd
03:11
never
03:11
heard
03:12
of
03:12
it
03:12
before,
03:12
but
03:12
you
03:13
know,
03:13
I've
03:13
been
03:14
searching
03:14
for
03:14
new
03:14
cocktails
03:15
all
03:15
the
03:15
time.
03:16
Try
03:16
to
03:16
change
03:17
it
03:17
up
03:17
here.
03:17
So
03:18
it
03:18
has
03:19
vodka.
03:20
She
03:20
probably
03:20
don't
03:20
want
03:20
to
03:20
hear
03:21
that
03:22
Angostura
03:23
bitters
03:24
and
03:24
ginger
03:25
rail
03:25
with
03:25
a
03:26
it's
03:26
garnished
03:26
with
03:26
a
03:27
it's
03:27
garnished
03:27
with
03:28
an
03:28
orange,
03:29
orange
03:29
slice
03:31  Speaker 1
orange
03:32
J
03:33
eanette.
03:33
Well,
03:33
that
03:33
would
03:34
kind
03:34
of
03:34
look
03:34
like
03:34
the
03:35
pumpkin
03:35
head
03:35
on
03:36
K
03:36
nickerbocker
03:36
cream,
03:37
right?
03:37
Or
03:38
a
03:38
quad
03:38
core.
03:39  Speaker 2
What
03:39
is
03:39
it
03:39
from
03:40
the
03:40
nightmare
03:40
before
03:41
Christmas?
03:42
Jack
03:42
Love
03:42  Speaker 1
Jack
03:43
Skellington.
03:43
You
03:43
know,
03:44
I
03:44
just
03:44
saw
03:44
that
03:45
movie.
03:45
U
03:46
m,
03:46
I
03:46
saw
03:46
most
03:47
of
03:47
it
03:47
maybe
03:47
about
03:48
a
03:48
week
03:48
or
03:48
two
03:48
ago.
03:49
It
03:49
is
03:49
ch
03:50
arming.
03:50  Speaker 2
Oh,
03:51
I'm
03:51
speaking
03:51
of
03:52
movies
03:52
I
03:52
saw
03:52
,
03:52
I
03:53
actually
03:53
saw,
03:54
or
03:54
we
03:54
saw
03:55
barrette
03:55  Speaker 1
For
03:55
the
03:55
weekend.
03:57
We
03:57
saw
03:57
it
03:58
too.
03:58  Speaker 2
It's
03:59
crazy.
03:59
I
03:59
don't
04:00
even
04:00
know
04:00
what
04:00
to
04:00
say
04:01
about
04:01
it.
04:01
It's
04:01
hard
04:02
to
04:02
even
04:02
watch,
04:02
but
04:02
you
04:03
can't
04:03
turn
04:03
away
04:04  Speaker 1
Glee
04:05
and
04:05
you
04:05
feel
04:05
a
04:05
little
04:05
guilty
04:06
in
04:06
parts.
04:06
Like
04:07
there
04:07
were
04:07
parts
04:07
where
04:07
I
04:07
feel
04:07
like,
04:07
Oh
04:07
my
04:07
God,
04:08
I,
04:08
as
04:08
a
04:08
moral
04:09
person,
04:09
I
04:09
can't
04:10
laugh
04:10
at
04:10
it
04:10
.
04:12  Speaker 2
Yeah.
04:13
I
04:13
think
04:14
the
04:14
,
04:15
the
04:15
part
04:15
that
04:16
I
04:16
like
04:16
the
04:16
best,
04:17
which
04:17
I'm
04:17
ashamed
04:18
to
04:18
admit
04:19
is
04:19
when
04:19
they
04:19
went
04:19
to
04:20
the
04:20
debutante
04:20
ball.
04:21  Speaker 1
That
04:22
was
04:22
my
04:22
favorite
04:22
part
04:23
too
04:23
.
04:24
It
04:24
was
04:24
so
04:24
wrong.
04:27  Speaker 2
It
04:27
was
04:28
so
04:28
wrong.
04:28
I
04:28
don't
04:28
know
04:29
when.
04:30
Yeah.
04:34  Speaker 1
So
04:35
anyway,
04:35
well
04:35
it's
04:35
going
04:36
to
04:36
be
04:36
a
04:36
good
04:36
weekend.
04:36
Halloween
04:37
is
04:37
coming
04:37
up
04:38
and
04:39
yeah,
04:39
I'm
04:40
looking
04:40
forward
04:40
to
04:40
just
04:40
like
04:41
watching
04:41
scary
04:41
movies
04:42
and
04:43
eating
04:43
lots
04:44
of
04:44
sugar,
04:45
all
04:45
that
04:45
good
04:45
stuff.
04:46
So
04:47
tonight
04:47
to
04:48
get
04:48
everybody
04:48
in
04:48
the
04:48
mood
04:49
for
04:49
Halloween,
04:50
we
04:50
are
04:50
going
04:51
to
04:51
be
04:51
telling
04:52
a
04:52
Halloween
04:54
theme
04:54
story,
04:54
or
04:54
at
04:54
least
04:55
a
04:55
story
04:55
that's
04:55
set
04:56
right
04:56
around
04:56
here
04:56
.
04:57  Speaker 2
It's
04:57
a
04:57
story
04:58
about
04:58
monsters,
04:59
but
04:59
human
05:00
monsters.
05:01
Exactly.
05:02  Speaker 1
So
05:02
with
05:02
that,
05:02
let's
05:03
get
05:03
started.
05:04
So
05:04
this
05:04
takes
05:05
place
05:05
in
05:05
the
05:05
seventies,
05:06
the
05:06
decade
05:06
of
05:06
our
05:07
conceptions,
05:08
I
05:08
guess,
05:09
and
05:09
the
05:09
heyday
05:09
of
05:10
our
05:10
childhoods
05:10
.
05:10
Although
05:10
I
05:10
feel
05:11
like
05:11
the
05:11
eighties
05:11
was
05:11
the
05:12
heyday
05:12
of
05:12
my
05:12
childhood
05:12
too,
05:13
but
05:13
the
05:14
year
05:14
is
05:14
1974
05:16
and
05:16
it's
05:16
Halloween
05:17
night.
05:18
So
05:18
if
05:19
you
05:19
can
05:19
remember
05:19
back
05:20
when
05:20
you
05:20
were
05:20
a
05:20
kid,
05:20
I
05:20
can
05:21
remember
05:21
this
05:21
really
05:21
vividly,
05:22
you
05:22
know,
05:22
you
05:22
suffer
05:23
through
05:23
the
05:23
school
05:23
day,
05:24
all
05:25
day,
05:25
just
05:25
like
05:25
longing
05:26
for
05:26
the
05:26
bell
05:26
to
05:26
ring.
05:27
So
05:27
you
05:27
can
05:27
go
05:27
home
05:28
like
05:28
gobble
05:28
down
05:29
your
05:29
dinner
05:29
and
05:30
then
05:30
put
05:30
on
05:30
your
05:30
costume
05:31
and
05:31
get
05:31
the
05:31
hell
05:31
out
05:32
of
05:32
that
05:32
house
05:32
and
05:32
,
05:33
you
05:33
know,
05:33
get
05:33
as
05:34
much
05:34
candy
05:34
as
05:34
possible.
05:35
And
05:35
I
05:35
feel
05:36
like
05:36
there
05:36
,
05:36
there
05:36
was
05:36
an
05:36
electric
05:37
energy.
05:38
You
05:38
pass
05:39
the
05:39
same
05:39
houses
05:40
and
05:40
trees
05:40
and
05:40
cars
05:41
and
05:41
stuff
05:41
every
05:42
day
05:42
.
05:42
But
05:42
it
05:42
was
05:42
different
05:42
on
05:42
Halloween
05:43
night.
05:43
It
05:43
just
05:43
felt
05:44
different.
05:45
You're
05:45
right.
05:46  Speaker 2
You
05:46
are
05:46
so
05:47
right.
05:47
You
05:47
know,
05:47
you
05:48
could
05:48
be
05:48
out
05:48
legitimately
05:49
with
05:49
your
05:50
parents'
05:50
permission.
05:51  Speaker 1
Like
05:51
even
05:52
by
05:52
the
05:52
time
05:53
we
05:53
were
05:53
kids,
05:54
at
05:54
least
05:54
younger
05:55
kids,
05:55
like
05:55
I
05:55
would
05:55
say
05:56
most
05:56
of
05:56
the,
05:57
of
05:57
the
05:57
seventies,
05:58
I
05:58
feel
05:58
like
05:58
they're
05:58
kind
05:58
of
05:58
worn
05:58
a
05:59
lot
05:59
of
05:59
tricks
05:59
left
06:00
in
06:00
Halloween.
06:00
I
06:01
remember
06:01
my,
06:01
my
06:02
mom,
06:02
she
06:02
was
06:02
like,
06:03
you
06:03
know,
06:03
you
06:03
will
06:03
not
06:04
go
06:04
out
06:04
without
06:04
supervision.
06:05
She
06:05
probably
06:05
did
06:06
that
06:06
till
06:06
I
06:06
was
06:06
16,
06:07
but
06:07
you
06:07
know,
06:08
she
06:08
had
06:08
to
06:08
go
06:08
with
06:08
me.
06:09
She
06:09
had
06:09
to
06:09
know
06:10
whose
06:10
house
06:10
we
06:10
were
06:10
going
06:10
to.
06:11
I
06:11
don't
06:11
know
06:11
if
06:11
your
06:12
parents
06:12
were
06:12
like
06:12
that,
06:13
but
06:13
they
06:13
were,
06:13
mine
06:13
were
06:13
like
06:14
really
06:14
protective.
06:14
And
06:14
I
06:14
think
06:15
that
06:15
was
06:15
kind
06:15
of
06:15
a
06:15
theme
06:15
in
06:16
the
06:16
seventies
06:16
where
06:17
kids
06:17
earlier,
06:18
like
06:18
in
06:18
earlier
06:18
decades,
06:19
it
06:19
would
06:19
be
06:19
kind
06:19
of
06:19
a
06:20
free
06:20
for
06:20
all.
06:20
But
06:20
by
06:20
the
06:20
time
06:21
we
06:21
were
06:21
kids,
06:22
like,
06:22
I
06:22
feel
06:23
like
06:23
that
06:23
was
06:23
changing.
06:24  Speaker 2
I
06:24
think
06:24
you're
06:24
right.
06:24
My
06:24
parents
06:25
let
06:25
me,
06:25
when
06:25
I
06:25
got
06:26
to
06:26
be
06:26
a
06:26
little
06:26
bit
06:26
older
06:27
to
06:27
go
06:27
out
06:27
with
06:28
my
06:28
neighbors,
06:29
my
06:29
friends.
06:30
But
06:30
other
06:30
than
06:31
that,
06:31
before
06:31
that,
06:32
no,
06:32
there's
06:32
no
06:32
way
06:32
they
06:33
would
06:33
allow
06:33
that.
06:33
And
06:33
we
06:33
were
06:34
only
06:34
allowed
06:34
to
06:34
go.
06:35
We
06:35
didn't
06:35
have
06:35
a
06:36
block.
06:36
It
06:36
was
06:36
actually
06:37
the
06:37
shape
06:37
of
06:37
a
06:37
horseshoe.
06:38
So
06:38
we
06:38
were
06:38  Speaker 1
Like,
06:38
so
06:38
that
06:38
was
06:39
the
06:39
only
06:39
place
06:39
you
06:39
could
06:39
go.
06:40
Yeah.
06:40  Speaker 2
I
06:41
mean,
06:41
it
06:41
was
06:41
just
06:41
kind
06:41
of
06:42
lazy
06:42
trick-or-treating
06:44
and
06:44
probably
06:44
my
06:44
parents
06:45
were
06:45
like,
06:45
get
06:45
the
06:46
outta
06:46
here.
06:46
I
06:46
don't
06:46
want
06:46
to
06:46
go.
06:47
I
06:47
know
06:47
my
06:47
dad
06:47
certainly
06:48
wanted
06:48
no
06:48
part
06:48
of
06:49
it.
06:49  Speaker 1
So
06:49
I
06:49
mean,
06:50
it's
06:50
interesting.
06:50
It
06:51
must've
06:51
been
06:51
a
06:51
chore,
06:51
I
06:51
guess,
06:52
for
06:52
parents,
06:53
but
06:53
you
06:53
know,
06:54
they
06:54
worked
06:54
all
06:54
day
06:55
and
06:55
they
06:55
come
06:55
home
06:55
and
06:55
their
06:55
kids
06:55
are
06:55
like
06:56
raring
06:57
to
06:57
go,
06:57
but
06:57
it
06:57
was
06:57
just
06:57
so
06:58
magical
06:58
as
06:58
a
06:58
child.
06:59
I
06:59
just
06:59
have
06:59
the
06:59
fondest
07:00
memories
07:00
of
07:00
it
07:01  Speaker 2
When
07:01
my
07:02
daughter,
07:03
when
07:03
she
07:03
was
07:04
maybe
07:04
around
07:05
two
07:06
and
07:06
we
07:06
put
07:06
the
07:06
kids
07:07
in
07:07
strollers,
07:07
I
07:07
mean
07:08
i
07:08
n
07:08
the
07:08
cool
07:09
moms
07:09
and
07:09
we
07:10
would
07:10
actually
07:11
meet
07:11
at
07:11
another
07:12
mom's
07:12
house
07:12
for
07:12
drinks.
07:13
And
07:13
then
07:13
we
07:13
put
07:13
our
07:13
drinks
07:15
in
07:15
a
07:15
container
07:15
and
07:16
then
07:16
we
07:16
put
07:16
it
07:16
on,
07:16
y
07:17
ou
07:17
k
07:17
now,
07:17
one
07:17
of
07:17
th
07:17
ose
07:17
r
07:17
eally
07:17
big,
07:18
u
07:18
h
07:18
,
07:18
b
07:19
aby
07:19
strollers
07:20
or
07:20
di
07:21
fferent
07:21
t
07:21
h
07:21
at
07:21
y
07:21
ou
07:21
could
07:21
run
07:21
with
07:22
one
07:22
of
07:22
those.
07:22
So
07:22
we
07:22
would
07:22
walk
07:23
around
07:23
like
07:23
that,
07:24
like
07:24
a
07:24
jog
07:24
.
07:24
I
07:24
don't
07:25
think
07:25
all
07:25
of
07:25
us
07:25  Speaker 1
Or
07:25
something.
07:26
I
07:26
think
07:27
if
07:27
I
07:27
had
07:27
been
07:27
a
07:27
mother,
07:27
I
07:28
would
07:28
want
07:28
to
07:28
hang
07:28
with
07:28
you
07:28
guys.
07:29
You
07:29
guys
07:29
sound
07:29
like
07:29
you
07:29
were
07:30
cool
07:30  Speaker 2
To
07:30
think
07:31
of
07:31
ourselves
07:31
as
07:32
the
07:32
cool
07:32
moms,
07:33
but
07:33
maybe
07:33
it
07:33
was
07:33
really
07:34
,
07:34
uh
07:34
,
07:34
an
07:34
addiction
07:35
issue.
07:35
But
07:35
anyway,
07:36  Speaker 1
Alcoholic,
07:36
mumps,
07:38
think
07:38
back
07:38
in
07:38
the
07:39
,
07:39
um,
07:40
in
07:40
the
07:40
seventies,
07:41
I
07:41
,
07:41
I
07:41
don't
07:41
know
07:41
exactly
07:42
when
07:42
this,
07:43
this
07:43
rumor
07:43
started,
07:44
but
07:44
you
07:44
started
07:44
hearing
07:44
stories
07:45
of
07:45
candy
07:45
being
07:46
tampered
07:46
with.
07:47
And
07:47
I
07:47
vividly
07:48
recall
07:48
my
07:48
mom
07:49
and
07:49
my
07:49
aunt
07:49
,
07:49
my
07:49
grandmother,
07:50
who
07:50
was,
07:50
so
07:50
over-protective
07:51
talking
07:51
about
07:52
that,
07:52
like,
07:52
don't
07:53
accept
07:53
an
07:53
Apple.
07:53
It
07:53
could
07:54
have
07:54
a
07:54
razorblade
07:54
in
07:55
it.
07:55  Speaker 2
The
07:55
Apple
07:55
one,
07:56
the
07:56
Apple
07:57
was
07:57
like
07:57
the
07:57
most
07:58
pervasive,
07:59
sinister
07:59
story.
08:01  Speaker 1
is
08:01
going
08:01
to
08:01
give
08:01
an
08:01
Apple,
08:02
like
08:02
if
08:02
I
08:02
got
08:02
an
08:02
Apple,
08:02
I'd
08:03
be
08:03
like,
08:03
I
08:03
don't
08:03
want
08:04
this.
08:05
I
08:05
m
08:05
ean,
08:05
I
08:05
don't
08:05
want
08:05
fruit.
08:06
You
08:06
got
08:06
t
08:06
he
08:06
w
08:07
rong
08:07
kid.
08:07
I
08:07
mean,
08:08
I
08:08
can
08:08
remember
08:08
getting
08:08
those
08:08
little
08:09
packs
08:09
of
08:09
raisins
08:09
and
08:10
thinking,
08:10
what
08:10
the
08:10
hell
08:10
is
08:11
t
08:11
his?
08:13  Speaker 2
Yeah
08:13
.
08:13
So
08:13
anyway,
08:14
I
08:14
just
08:14
feel
08:14
like
08:14
with
08:14
a
08:15
razor
08:15
blade
08:15
story
08:15
with
08:15
the
08:15
apples,
08:16
it
08:16
also
08:17
later
08:17
on,
08:18
you
08:18
know,
08:18
apply
08:18
to
08:19
just
08:20
regular
08:20
candy
08:20
as
08:21
well.
08:21
Cause
08:21
we
08:21
had
08:22
to
08:22
pour
08:22
ours
08:22
out
08:23
on
08:23
the
08:23
floor
08:23
and
08:23
we
08:23
had
08:24
to
08:24
go
08:24
through
08:24
it.
08:24
Our
08:24
parents
08:25
had
08:25
to
08:25
look
08:25
through
08:25
it
08:26
before
08:27  Speaker 1
Same
08:27
here.
08:28
Absolutely.
08:28
I
08:28
remember
08:29
once
08:29
finding
08:29
this
08:29
piece
08:30
of
08:30
hard
08:30
candy
08:31
,
08:31
um
08:31
,
08:31
it
08:31
was
08:31
like
08:32
bread
08:32
,
08:32
I
08:32
guess
08:32
it
08:32
was
08:33
cherry
08:33
or
08:33
something.
08:34
And
08:34
it
08:34
had
08:34
like
08:34
a
08:34
big
08:34
black
08:35
spot
08:35
in
08:35
it.
08:36
And
08:36
my
08:36
mom
08:36
was
08:36
like,
08:37
you
08:37
know,
08:37
you
08:37
can
08:37
not
08:37
keep
08:37
that.
08:38
And
08:38
I'm
08:38
like,
08:38
well,
08:38
it's
08:38
a
08:38
piece
08:38
of
08:39
hard
08:39
candy.
08:39
I
08:39
don't
08:39
really
08:40
want
08:40
that
08:40
anyway.
08:40
It's
08:41
LSD
08:42
if
08:42
only.
08:44
So
08:44
yeah.
08:45
But
08:45
you
08:45
know,
08:46
that
08:46
was,
08:46
that
08:46
was
08:46
definitely
08:46
a
08:47
thing
08:47
in
08:47
the
08:47
seventies.
08:47
And
08:47
I
08:47
think
08:48
people
08:48
were
08:48
very
08:49
wary.
08:49
I
08:49
mean,
08:50
they
08:50
were
08:50
even
08:50
some
08:50
places
08:51
I
08:51
know
08:51
would
08:51
like
08:51
x-ray
08:52
the
08:52
kids
08:52
candy
08:53
to
08:53
make
08:53
sure
08:53
there
08:54
were
08:54
no
08:54
pins
08:55
or
08:55
razorblades
08:55
or
08:55
something
08:56
like
08:56
that.
08:56
But
08:56
you
08:56
know,
08:57
if
08:57
you've
08:57
never
08:57
heard
08:57
of
08:57
that.
08:58
Yeah.
08:58
It
08:58
actually,
08:59
I
08:59
can
08:59
remember
08:59
them
08:59
offering
09:00
that
09:00
service
09:01
,
09:01
um,
09:01
or
09:01
hearing
09:02
about
09:02
it
09:02
at
09:02
some
09:02
point.
09:03
I
09:03
mean
09:03
,
09:03
you
09:03
know,
09:03
I
09:03
think
09:03
the
09:03
seventies
09:04
were
09:04
kind
09:04
of
09:04
a
09:05
,
09:05
a
09:05
dark
09:06
era
09:06
anyway.
09:06
I
09:06
mean,
09:07
there's
09:07
a
09:07
lot
09:07
of
09:07
political
09:07
unrest
09:08
and
09:08
economic
09:08
struggle
09:09
and
09:10
just
09:10
uncertainty,
09:11
you
09:11
know,
09:11
factories
09:11
were
09:12
closing
09:12
and
09:12
I
09:12
mean,
09:13
people
09:13
were
09:13
just,
09:14
yeah,
09:14
they
09:14
were
09:15
struggling.
09:15
I
09:15
mean,
09:15
it
09:16
kind
09:16
of
09:16
reminds
09:16
me
09:16
of
09:17
2020
09:17
in
09:17
a
09:18
way.
09:18
I
09:18
was
09:18
going
09:18
to
09:18
say
09:19
unlike
09:19
today.
09:20
Yeah.
09:20
But
09:21
so
09:21
I
09:21
think
09:21
we
09:21
can
09:21
all
09:22
imagine
09:22
Halloween
09:23
nights
09:23
of
09:23
your,
09:24
in
09:24
what
09:24
it
09:24
was
09:24
like.
09:24
And
09:25
so
09:25
if
09:25
you
09:25
take
09:26
yourself
09:26
back
09:26
to
09:26
1974,
09:27
we
09:27
have
09:27
two
09:27
kids
09:28
that
09:28
I'm
09:28
going
09:28
to
09:28
talk
09:28
about.
09:29
Their
09:29
names
09:29
were
09:29
Tim
09:30
and
09:30
Elizabeth
09:31
O'Brien
09:32
and
09:32
they
09:32
were,
09:32
they
09:32
were
09:32
just
09:32
so
09:33
excited.
09:33
They
09:33
couldn't
09:33
go
09:33
out,
09:34
couldn't
09:34
wait
09:34
to
09:35
go
09:35
out
09:35
and
09:36
hit
09:36
the
09:36
streets
09:36
and
09:36
get
09:36
as
09:37
much
09:37
candy
09:37
as
09:37
possible.
09:38
So
09:38
they
09:38
lived
09:39
in
09:39
a
09:39
suburban
09:39
Houston,
09:40
Texas
09:41
neighborhood.
09:42
And
09:42
you
09:42
know,
09:42
the
09:43
adults
09:43
were
09:43
worried
09:43
about
09:44
all
09:44
of
09:44
these
09:44
d
09:45
angers,
09:45
but
09:45
kids,
09:46
that
09:46
was
09:46
the
09:46
last
09:46
thing
09:47
on
09:47
their
09:47
mind.
09:47
They
09:47
just
09:47
wanted
09:48
to
09:48
have
09:48
fun.
09:49
Um,
09:49
so
09:49
this
09:49
family,
09:50
the
09:50
O'Brians,
09:51
the
09:51
parents
09:52
were
09:52
,
09:53
um,
09:53
Ronald
09:54
and
09:54
they
09:55
mean
09:55
O'Brien
09:56
Damien
09:56
is
09:56
an
09:56
odd
09:57
name.
09:57
I
09:57
think.
09:58
So
09:58
the
09:58
parents
09:59
kind
09:59
of
09:59
like
10:00
you,
10:00
the
10:00
group
10:00
of
10:00
cool
10:01
moms,
10:01
they
10:01
decided
10:01
they
10:02
were
10:02
gonna
10:02
meet
10:02
up
10:03
with
10:03
another
10:03
S
10:03
another
10:04
set
10:04
of
10:04
parents.
10:04
This
10:04
was
10:05
a
10:05
guy,
10:06
a
10:06
man,
10:06
and
10:06
a
10:06
woman
10:07
and
10:07
their
10:07
two
10:07
children,
10:08
I
10:08
think
10:08
also
10:08
a
10:08
boy
10:09
and
10:09
a
10:09
girl.
10:09
And
10:10
so
10:10
they
10:10
went
10:10
over
10:10
to
10:10
their
10:10
house
10:11
for
10:11
dinner
10:11
and
10:11
drinks.
10:12
So
10:12
I
10:12
guess
10:12
they
10:13
were
10:13
even
10:13
doing
10:13
this
10:13
in
10:13
the
10:13
seventies,
10:14
J
10:14
en.
10:14
U
10:15
m,
10:15
and
10:15
they
10:15
had
10:15
drinks
10:15
and
10:15
then
10:16
they
10:16
were
10:16
all
10:16
g
10:16
oing
10:16
t
10:16
o
10:16
take
10:16
the
10:17
kids
10:17
out.
10:17
The
10:18
family,
10:18
they
10:18
were
10:18
hanging
10:18
out
10:19
with
10:19
their
10:19
last
10:19
name
10:19
was
10:19
B
10:20
ates.
10:20
I
10:20
can't
10:21
remember
10:21
their
10:21
children's
10:22
names.
10:22
So
10:23
the
10:23
O
10:23
'Bryan
10:23
kids,
10:24
Elizabeth
10:24
was
10:24
little,
10:25
she
10:25
was
10:25
only
10:25
five
10:26
and
10:26
Tim
10:27
was
10:27
eight.
10:27
And
10:28
both
10:28
of
10:28
them,
10:28
this
10:29
is
10:29
so
10:29
cute.
10:29
They
10:29
were
10:29
both
10:30
wearing
10:30
planet
10:30
of
10:30
the
10:31
apes
10:31
costumes.
10:32
It
10:33
was
10:33
a
10:33
really
10:34
kind
10:34
of
10:34
a
10:35
nasty
10:35
night.
10:36
Although
10:36
to
10:36
me,
10:36
those
10:37
were
10:37
always
10:37
the
10:37
best
10:37
kinds
10:38
of
10:38
Halloween
10:38
nights,
10:39
where
10:39
it
10:39
was
10:39
kind
10:39
of
10:39
drizzly
10:40
and
10:40
cold
10:41
and
10:41
you
10:41
know,
10:41
it
10:41
just
10:41
very
10:42
atmospheric.
10:42
So
10:42
it
10:42
was
10:43
that
10:43
kind
10:43
of
10:43
night.
10:44
And
10:44
everybody
10:45
else,
10:45
all
10:45
the
10:45
other
10:45
adults,
10:46
they
10:46
got
10:46
sick
10:47
of
10:47
being
10:47
out
10:47
in
10:48
the
10:48
rain.
10:48
So
10:48
they're
10:49
like,
10:49
you
10:49
know,
10:49
we
10:49
just
10:49
want
10:49
to
10:49
go
10:50
home
10:50
early,
10:50
but
10:51
I'm
10:51
Ronald.
10:52
O'Brien
10:52
the
10:53
dad
10:53
of
10:53
the
10:53
two
10:53
kids
10:54
I'm
10:54
talking
10:54
about.
10:54
He
10:54
was
10:55
like,
10:55
you
10:55
know,
10:55
I
10:55
'll,
10:55
I'll
10:56
hang
10:56
out
10:56
with
10:56
them.
10:57
I'll
10:57
just
10:57
continue
10:57
taking
10:58
the
10:58
kids
10:58
around
10:58
so
10:58
they
10:58
can
10:59
finish
10:59
their
11:00
tour
11:00
of
11:00
the
11:00
neighborhood.
11:01
So
11:01
he
11:01
was
11:02
a
11:02
really
11:02
nice
11:02
guy,
11:02
you
11:02
know,
11:02
he
11:03
was
11:03
family
11:03
man,
11:04
like
11:04
I
11:04
said,
11:04
and
11:05
he
11:05
was
11:05
deacon
11:06
at
11:06
his
11:06
local
11:06
church.
11:08
That
11:08
means
11:08
nothing
11:08
to
11:08
me.
11:09
Well,
11:10
it
11:10
doesn't
11:10
m
11:10
eet
11:10
either.
11:11
And
11:11
it
11:11
was
11:11
a
11:11
Baptist
11:12
church.
11:12
Joan,
11:12
I
11:12
hate
11:13
to
11:13
God,
11:14
hate
11:14
to
11:14
make
11:14
it
11:14
worse
11:15
for
11:15
you.
11:16
So
11:16
towards
11:17
the
11:17
end
11:17
of
11:17
the
11:17
evening
11:17
,
11:18
um,
11:18
the
11:18
kids
11:18
were
11:19
kind
11:19
of
11:19
going
11:19
to
11:19
their
11:19
final
11:20
houses
11:20
and
11:20
they
11:20
went
11:21
up
11:21
to
11:21
this
11:21
one
11:21
house
11:22
and
11:22
it
11:22
was
11:22
dark.
11:23
But
11:23
you
11:23
know
11:23
how
11:23
it
11:23
was
11:24
like,
11:24
when
11:24
you
11:24
were
11:24
a
11:24
kid,
11:25
I
11:25
remember
11:26
like,
11:26
I'd
11:26
give
11:26
it
11:26
a
11:27
try.
11:27
Anyway.
11:27
If
11:28
my
11:28
mom
11:28
would
11:28
let
11:28
me
11:29
and,
11:29
you
11:29
know,