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episode 6: The Fox Sisters and the Emergence of Spiritualism and Seances [transcript]


Since the beginning of time, humans have tried to reach beyond the veil that separates the living and the dead. Tonight we’ll tell the story of three sisters who claimed to make that connection. We’ll explore the ripples that claim made in their own lives – and in our own.  


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 2020-11-11  56m
 
 
00:00  Speaker 1
I'm
00:00
Jenna
00:00
Sullivan
00:01
and
00:01
I'm
00:02
Jen
00:02
Lee
00:02
.
00:03
And
00:03
we'd
00:03
like
00:03
to
00:03
welcome
00:03
you
00:04
to
00:04
beneath
00:04
your
00:04
bed,
00:05
a
00:05
podcast
00:05
where
00:06
we
00:06
drag
00:06
out
00:06
all
00:06
those
00:07
fears
00:07
that
00:07
lurk
00:08
beneath
00:08
our
00:08
beds
00:09
from
00:09
the
00:09
paranormal
00:10
to
00:10
true
00:10
crime,
00:11
to
00:11
the
00:11
simply
00:12
strange
00:13
along
00:13
the
00:13
way,
00:14
we'll
00:14
be
00:14
drinking
00:14
cocktails
00:15
and
00:15
sharing
00:15
stories
00:16
from
00:16
our
00:17
Appalachian
00:17
upbringings.
00:18
Since
00:19
the
00:19
beginning
00:19
of
00:19
time,
00:20
humans
00:20
have
00:20
tried
00:20
to
00:21
reach
00:21
beyond
00:21
the
00:21
veil
00:22
that
00:22
separates
00:22
the
00:23
living
00:23
and
00:23
the
00:23
dead
00:24
tonight.
00:25
We'll
00:25
tell
00:25
the
00:25
story
00:26
of
00:26
three
00:26
sisters
00:26
who
00:27
claim
00:27
to
00:27
make
00:27
that
00:27
connection.
00:29
We'll
00:29
explore
00:29
the
00:29
ripples
00:30
that
00:30
claim
00:30
made
00:31
in
00:31
their
00:31
lives
00:32
and
00:32
in
00:32
our
00:32
own
00:41  Speaker 2
[inaudible]
00:41  Speaker 1
Jen,
00:41
how
00:42
are
00:42
you?
00:42
I'm
00:42
doing
00:43
great.
00:43
How
00:43
are
00:43
you
00:43
doing?
00:44
I'm
00:44
doing
00:44
okay.
00:45
You
00:45
know,
00:45
it's
00:45
labor
00:45
day.
00:46
I've
00:46
had
00:46
a
00:46
really,
00:47
I
00:47
guess
00:47
I've
00:47
rested
00:47
from
00:48
my
00:48
labor
00:48
today.
00:48
I
00:48
haven't
00:49
done
00:49
much.
00:49
I
00:49
took
00:50
a
00:50
really
00:50
long
00:50
nap
00:50
with
00:51
the
00:51
cats.
00:51
What
00:51
about
00:52
you?
00:52
Um
00:52
,
00:52
I
00:52
did
00:53
some
00:53
cooking
00:53
and
00:54
I
00:55
ran
00:55
some
00:55
errands
00:56
and
00:56
when
00:56
I
00:56
go
00:57
outside
00:57
now,
00:57
I
00:58
noticed
00:58
that
00:58
I
00:58
can't
00:59
really
00:59
tell
00:59
the
00:59
seasons
01:00
apart.
01:00
I'm
01:00
thinking
01:01
is
01:01
this
01:02
fall
01:02
is
01:02
a
01:02
summer.
01:03
I
01:03
mean,
01:04
I
01:04
guess
01:04
with
01:04
global
01:05
warming,
01:05
we're
01:05
kind
01:06
of
01:06
losing
01:06
the
01:06
seasons
01:06
anyway,
01:07
but
01:07
I
01:07
think
01:08
with
01:08
being
01:08
in
01:08
the
01:08
house
01:09
with
01:09
COVID,
01:09
that's
01:09
really
01:10
throwing
01:10
things
01:10
off
01:11
to
01:11
at
01:11
least
01:12
for
01:12
me.
01:12
What
01:13
are
01:13
you
01:13
having
01:13
to
01:13
drink?
01:14
Oh,
01:14
right.
01:15
My
01:15
drink.
01:15
How
01:15
could
01:15
I
01:15
forget?
01:16
So
01:16
I'm
01:17
having
01:17
something
01:18
called
01:18
a
01:18
black
01:18
widow
01:19
smash.
01:20
I
01:20
found
01:20
a
01:20
recipe
01:20
online
01:21
and
01:22
it
01:22
uses
01:22
tequila.
01:23
So
01:23
yeah,
01:23
this
01:23
has
01:24
,
01:24
um
01:24
,
01:24
I
01:24
had
01:24
to
01:24
,
01:24
in
01:24
the
01:25
cocktail
01:25
shaker,
01:25
you
01:25
throw
01:26
in
01:26
a
01:26
bunch
01:26
of
01:26
blackberries
01:27
and
01:27
fresh
01:28
Rosemary
01:28
and
01:29
honey,
01:30
there
01:30
was
01:30
one
01:30
other
01:30
thing
01:30
.
01:30
Oh,
01:31
lemon
01:31
juice.
01:31
And
01:32
then
01:32
you
01:32
muddle
01:32
it.
01:33
So
01:33
it
01:33
muddled
01:33
it
01:34
all
01:34
up.
01:34
And
01:34
then
01:34
I
01:35
poured
01:35
in
01:35
the
01:35
tequila
01:36
and
01:36
some
01:37
bitters
01:37
and
01:37
shook
01:37
it
01:37
and
01:37
then
01:37
you
01:37
strain
01:38
it
01:38
over
01:38
ice.
01:39
And
01:39
then
01:39
you
01:39
add
01:40
little
01:40
sparkling
01:40
water
01:41
to
01:41
the
01:41
top
01:41
of
01:41
it.
01:41
I'm
01:42
starting
01:42
to
01:42
see
01:42
honey
01:43
as
01:43
an
01:43
ingredient
01:44
and
01:44
more
01:44
and
01:44
more
01:44
cocktails
01:45
or
01:46
maybe
01:46
it
01:46
just
01:46
stands
01:47
out
01:47
because
01:47
it
01:47
seems
01:47
like
01:47
it's
01:47
just
01:48
such
01:48
a
01:48
unusual
01:49
ingredient.
01:50
Yeah.
01:50
Yeah.
01:51
How
01:51
do
01:51
you
01:51
feel
01:52
about
01:52
honey
01:52
and
01:52
a
01:52
cocktail?
01:53
I
01:53
love
01:53
honey,
01:54
but
01:54
I
01:54
don't
01:54
know.
01:55
I
01:55
don't
01:55
know
01:55
if
01:55
I'd
01:55
like
01:56
it
01:56
in
01:56
a
01:56
cocktail.
01:56
I
01:56
mean,
01:56
there's
01:57
something
01:57
that's
01:57
called
01:57
the
01:57
bee's
01:58
knees,
01:59
but
01:59
I
01:59
think
01:59
was
01:59
around
02:00
since
02:00
prohibition
02:02
and
02:02
that
02:02
was
02:02
with
02:03
honey.
02:03
And
02:03
then
02:03
also
02:04
I
02:04
believe
02:04
Jen,
02:05
but
02:05
it
02:05
might've
02:05
been
02:05
a
02:05
honey
02:06
syrup.
02:06
I
02:06
could
02:06
probably
02:07
do
02:07
a
02:07
honey
02:07
syrup.
02:07
I
02:07
do
02:08
have
02:08
some
02:08
honey
02:09
bitters
02:09
though.
02:09
I
02:09
haven't
02:09
tried
02:09
out
02:10
yet.
02:10
Oh,
02:10
did
02:10
you
02:10
make
02:11
those
02:11
bitters?
02:11
No,
02:12
actually
02:12
I
02:12
ordered
02:13
those.
02:13
I'm
02:13
going
02:13
to
02:13
have
02:13
to
02:14
order
02:14
some
02:14
bitters
02:14
cause
02:14
I
02:14
was
02:14
looking
02:15
everywhere
02:15
for
02:15
orange
02:16
bitters
02:16
for
02:16
this
02:16
drink
02:17
and
02:17
couldn't
02:17
find
02:17
them.
02:17
So
02:18
I
02:18
had
02:18
just
02:18
had
02:18
to
02:18
use
02:18
a
02:18
regular
02:19
Angostura
02:20
bitters.
02:20
You
02:21
hated
02:21
my
02:21
bidders
02:21
when
02:22
we
02:22
went
02:22
away,
02:24
they
02:24
were
02:24
strong.
02:25
But
02:26
you
02:26
know,
02:26
I
02:26
think
02:26
I
02:27
wasn't
02:27
as
02:27
into
02:28
cocktails
02:28
then
02:28
I
02:29
was
02:29
less
02:29
of
02:29
a
02:29
drunk.
02:31
So
02:31
I
02:32
think
02:32
I
02:32
would
02:32
appreciate
02:33
them
02:33
now.
02:33
I
02:33
really
02:34
do.
02:34
I
02:34
think
02:34
the
02:34
taste
02:35
has
02:35
evolved.
02:35
Was
02:35
I
02:35
trying
02:36
to
02:36
get
02:36
you
02:36
to
02:36
drink
02:37
it
02:37
straight
02:37
or
02:37
just
02:38
give
02:38
you
02:38
the
02:38
cherry
02:39
or
02:40
I
02:40
feel
02:40
like,
02:41
I
02:41
can't
02:41
remember.
02:42
I
02:42
feel
02:42
like
02:42
you
02:42
were
02:42
trying
02:43
to
02:43
get
02:43
me
02:43
to
02:43
drink
02:43
it
02:43
straight.
02:44
You're
02:44
like
02:44
Jed
02:44
tried
02:45
setters
02:45
and
02:46
I
02:46
was
02:46
like,
02:50
it
02:50
was
02:50
kind
02:50
of
02:50
intense.
02:51
It
02:51
was
02:51
an
02:51
intense
02:51
experience,
02:52
but
02:52
I
02:52
would
02:53
try
02:53
your
02:53
bitters
02:53
again.
02:54
Especially
02:54
if
02:54
you
02:54
make
02:54
orange
02:55
bitters
02:55
or
02:55
something
02:56
like
02:56
that.
02:56
That
02:56
would
02:56
be
02:56
cool.
02:57
We
02:57
should
02:57
do
02:57
that
02:57
together.
02:58
Once
02:58
COVID
02:58
is
02:59
in
02:59
addition
02:59
to
02:59
making
03:00
our
03:00
syrups,
03:00
we
03:00
should
03:00
do
03:01
better
03:01
.
03:01  Speaker 3
I
03:01
do
03:02
have
03:02
like
03:02
,
03:02
I
03:02
have
03:02
orange
03:03
and
03:04
fig
03:04
bitters.
03:05
I
03:05
have
03:06
,
03:06
um,
03:06
you
03:06
name
03:07
it.
03:07
I
03:08
have
03:08
the
03:08
lavender
03:08
bitters
03:09
I
03:09
have.
03:10  Speaker 1
That
03:10
would
03:11
be
03:11
good
03:11
in
03:11
that
03:11
bees
03:11
knees.
03:12
I
03:12
don't
03:12
know
03:12
if
03:12
that
03:12
goes
03:12
in
03:13
there
03:13
,
03:13
but
03:13
it
03:13
seems
03:13
like
03:13
bitters
03:14
with
03:14
honey
03:14
and
03:15
gin
03:15
.
03:15
I'm
03:15
like
03:15
,
03:17
but
03:17
what
03:17
are
03:17
you
03:17
having?
03:18
I'm
03:18
actually
03:18
having,
03:19  Speaker 3
I
03:19
mean
03:19
,
03:19
a
03:19
hurricane,
03:20
you
03:20
know
03:21
,
03:21
um,
03:21
last
03:22
week
03:22
I,
03:22
I
03:22
did
03:23
a
03:23
Mai
03:23
tie
03:23
that
03:23
didn't
03:24
turn
03:24
out
03:24
so
03:24
hot.
03:25
So
03:25
this
03:25
is
03:26
involves
03:26
passion,
03:27
fruit
03:28
puree,
03:28
and
03:28
also
03:29
has
03:29
a
03:29
bunch
03:30
of
03:30
Rome
03:30
in
03:30
it.
03:31
And
03:31
my
03:31
favorite
03:31
of
03:31
course,
03:32
and
03:32
then
03:32
also
03:32
Grenadines
03:33
so
03:33
plenty
03:34
of
03:35
rum
03:35
,
03:35
light
03:35
,
03:35
rom
03:35
dark
03:36
rum
03:36
and
03:37
passion,
03:37
fruit
03:38
and
03:39
orange
03:39
juice
03:39
and
03:39
grenadine.
03:40
So
03:41
it's
03:41
actually
03:42
pretty
03:42
good.
03:42
The
03:42
passion
03:43
fruit
03:44
puree.
03:44
I
03:44
got
03:45
that
03:45
of
03:45
course
03:46
off
03:46
Amazon,
03:47
but
03:47
it's
03:47
really,
03:47
it's
03:47
just
03:48
a
03:48
lot
03:48
of
03:48
sugar.
03:48
So
03:49
I
03:49
would
03:50
like
03:50
to
03:50
try
03:50
to
03:50
make
03:50
some
03:51
myself,
03:51
it
03:52
would
03:52
probably,
03:52
I
03:53
would
03:53
think
03:53
would
03:53
be
03:53
better.
03:53
Hopefully.
03:55  Speaker 1
Well,
03:55
let's
03:55
jump
03:55
into
03:56
the
03:56
story
03:56
since
03:56
we
03:57
both
03:57
have
03:57
our
03:57
drinks
03:57
and
03:58
we
03:58
are
03:58
ready.
03:59
So
03:59
tonight
04:00
I'm
04:00
going
04:00
to
04:00
talk
04:00
about
04:01
spiritualism
04:01
,
04:02
especially
04:03
through
04:03
the
04:03
lives
04:03
of
04:04
these
04:04
three
04:04
sisters,
04:05
by
04:05
the
04:05
name
04:06
of
04:06
Maggie,
04:07
Kate
04:07
and
04:07
Leah
04:08
Fox,
04:08
really
04:08
Maggie
04:09
and
04:09
Kate
04:09
are
04:09
the
04:09
main
04:09
characters.
04:10
I'm
04:10
going
04:10
to
04:10
go
04:10
through
04:11
my
04:11
sources,
04:11
but
04:11
I
04:11
think
04:11
I'll
04:12
do
04:12
that
04:12
at
04:12
the
04:12
end.
04:13
So
04:13
the
04:13
story
04:13
I'm
04:13
going
04:14
to
04:14
tell
04:14
you
04:14
tonight
04:14
combines
04:15
a
04:15
lot
04:15
of
04:15
things
04:16
that
04:16
I
04:16
love.
04:16
And
04:16
these
04:17
are
04:17
things
04:17
that
04:17
I
04:17
think
04:17
you
04:18
love
04:18
too
04:18
.
04:18
So
04:18
I'm
04:18
hoping
04:19
that
04:19
you
04:19
will
04:19
like
04:19
this
04:19
story.
04:20
So
04:20
it
04:20
combines
04:21
history,
04:22
especially
04:22
women's
04:22
history.
04:23
It
04:24
has
04:24
the
04:24
mysterious
04:25
entails
04:25
of
04:26
spirits
04:26
and
04:26
ghosts.
04:27
And
04:27
it
04:27
really
04:28
looks
04:28
into
04:28
the
04:28
very
04:29
nature
04:29
of
04:29
life
04:30
and
04:30
death
04:30
itself.
04:31
It's
04:31
populated
04:31
with
04:31
vibrant
04:32
and
04:32
unforgettable
04:33
characters
04:34
and
04:34
at
04:34
the
04:34
heart
04:35
of
04:35
the
04:35
story.
04:35
As
04:35
I
04:35
mentioned,
04:36
our
04:36
two
04:36
girls,
04:37
sisters
04:38
whose
04:38
lives
04:39
unfolded
04:39
very
04:40
differently
04:40
than
04:41
the
04:41
average
04:42
19th
04:42
century
04:42
woman.
04:43
So
04:43
are
04:43
you
04:43
ready?
04:44
I
04:44
am.
04:45
All
04:45
right
04:45
.
04:46
Spiritualism
04:47
was
04:47
a
04:47
movement
04:48
that
04:48
began
04:48
in
04:48
the
04:48
19th
04:49
century
04:49
and
04:49
it
04:49
actually
04:50
continues
04:50
today,
04:51
although
04:51
in
04:51
a
04:51
somewhat
04:51
different
04:52
form
04:52
and
04:53
I'll
04:53
get
04:53
that,
04:53
I'll
04:53
get
04:54
to
04:54
that
04:54
later.
04:55
The
04:55
spiritualist
04:55
believe
04:56
that
04:56
people
04:56
do
04:57
not
04:57
die,
04:58
but
04:58
instead
04:58
they
04:58
move
04:59
on
04:59
to
04:59
the
04:59
realm
04:59
of
05:00
spirit.
05:00
They
05:00
believe
05:01
that
05:01
the
05:01
living
05:01
can
05:02
communicate
05:02
with
05:03
the
05:03
dead.
05:03
Although
05:03
spiritualists
05:04
hate
05:04
the
05:05
word
05:05
dead.
05:05
They
05:05
don't
05:06
really
05:06
like
05:06
to
05:06
use
05:06
it.
05:07
Instead.
05:07
They
05:08
referred
05:08
to
05:08
them
05:08
as
05:09
somebody
05:10
who's
05:10
gone
05:10
in
05:11
spirit
05:11
or
05:11
they
05:11
might
05:12
call
05:12
them
05:12
the
05:12
dearly
05:12
departed
05:14
in
05:14
their
05:14
belief
05:14
system.
05:14
Also
05:15
assumes
05:15
that
05:16
those
05:16
who
05:16
are
05:16
in
05:17
spirit
05:17
are
05:17
on
05:18
a
05:18
higher
05:18
level
05:18
than
05:19
those
05:19
of
05:19
us
05:19
who
05:19
are
05:19
still
05:20
on
05:20
earth
05:20
and
05:20
that
05:21
our
05:21
spirit
05:21
guides
05:22
can
05:22
help
05:22
us
05:23
through
05:23
this
05:23
life
05:24
and
05:24
help
05:24
us
05:24
really
05:25
learn
05:25
the
05:25
lessons
05:26
that
05:26
we're
05:26
supposed
05:26
to
05:26
learn
05:27
down
05:27
here.
05:27  Speaker 3
I
05:27
wonder
05:28
where
05:28
my
05:28
spirit
05:28
God
05:29
is
05:29
at.
05:30  Speaker 1
I
05:30
don't,
05:30
I
05:30
don't
05:31
know.
05:31
Do
05:31
you
05:31
think
05:31
you
05:31
have
05:31
one?
05:32
I've
05:32
been
05:32
wondering
05:32
lately.
05:33
If
05:33
I
05:33
have
05:33
one,
05:33
when
05:34
I
05:34
went
05:34
to
05:34
bed
05:34
last
05:34
night,
05:35
I'm
05:35
like,
05:35
I
05:35
wonder
05:35
what
05:36
my
05:36
spirit
05:36
guides
05:36
are
05:36
doing.
05:37
Are
05:37
they
05:37
around
05:38
me?
05:38
I
05:38
can
05:39
guarantee
05:39
you.
05:39
I
05:39
don't
05:40
have
05:40
one.
05:40
I
05:40
think
05:41
you
05:41
might
05:41
have
05:41
a
05:41
bunch
05:41
just
05:42
to
05:42
keep
05:42
you
05:42
in
05:42
line.
05:43
I
05:43
mean
05:43
,
05:44  Speaker 3
I'd
05:44
be
05:44
living
05:44
a
05:44
different
05:45
life
05:45
if
05:45
I
05:45
think
05:46
if
05:46
I
05:46
had
05:46
a
05:46
spirit
05:46
guide,
05:47  Speaker 1
No,
05:47
you
05:47
definitely
05:48
have
05:48
a
05:48
spirit
05:48
guide.
05:48
If
05:49
there,
05:49
if
05:49
there
05:50
such
05:50
is
05:50
such
05:50
a
05:50
thing,
05:50
you
05:51
have
05:51
one
05:51
I'm
05:51
sure
05:52
of
05:52
it.
05:52
So
05:52
there
05:53
are
05:53
a
05:53
couple
05:53
of
05:53
guys
05:53
I
05:53
want
05:53
to
05:54
tell
05:54
you
05:54
about
05:54
who
05:55
were
05:55
really
05:55
precursors
05:56
to
05:57
ism
05:57
.
05:57
And
05:57
they're
05:57
just
05:58
interesting
05:58
to
05:58
know
05:58
about,
05:59
so
05:59
you
05:59
may
05:59
have
05:59
heard
06:00
of
06:00
them.
06:00
One
06:00
is
06:00
Emanuel
06:00
Swedenborg.
06:01
He
06:02
lived
06:02
from
06:02
the
06:02
late
06:03
16
06:04
hundreds
06:04
into
06:05
while
06:05
he
06:05
lived
06:05
a
06:05
long
06:05
time
06:06
up
06:06
to
06:06
1772,
06:08
but
06:08
he
06:08
claimed
06:08
that
06:08
he
06:09
could
06:09
communicate
06:09
with
06:09
spirits,
06:10
but
06:10
he
06:10
cautioned
06:11
anybody
06:11
else
06:11
from
06:11
doing
06:12
it.
06:12
And
06:12
he
06:12
said,
06:12
it
06:12
wasn't
06:12
a
06:12
good
06:13
idea.
06:13
Only,
06:13
only
06:14
he
06:14
should
06:14
be
06:14
doing
06:14
this.
06:15
And
06:15
he
06:16
came
06:16
up
06:16
with
06:16
this
06:16
idea
06:17
that
06:17
there's
06:18
not
06:18
one
06:18
heaven
06:19
or
06:19
one
06:19
hell,
06:19
but
06:20
there's
06:20
really
06:20
a
06:20
whole
06:21
bunch
06:21
of
06:21
different
06:21
ones.
06:22
And
06:22
they're
06:22
all
06:22
on
06:22
different
06:23
levels.
06:23
To
06:23
me,
06:24
it
06:24
almost
06:24
sounds
06:24
like
06:25
Dante
06:25
is
06:25
notion
06:26
of
06:26
the
06:26
Inferno.
06:27
You
06:27
know,
06:27
where
06:27
there
06:27
are
06:27
,
06:27
there
06:27
are
06:27
all
06:27
these
06:28
layers
06:29
and
06:29
he
06:29
thought
06:29
that
06:29
spirits
06:30
acted
06:30
as
06:31
intermediaries
06:31
between
06:32
God
06:32
and
06:32
human
06:33
beings.
06:34
So
06:34
he's
06:35
a
06:35
precursor.
06:35
The
06:36
other
06:36
one
06:36
who
06:36
had
06:37
some,
06:37
I
06:37
guess
06:38
you
06:38
would
06:38
say
06:39
bearing
06:39
on
06:39
spiritualism,
06:40
his
06:40
name
06:40
was
06:40
Mesmer
06:41
and
06:41
you
06:41
may
06:42
be
06:42
familiar
06:42
with
06:42
that
06:42
term.
06:43
Mesmerist
06:44
he
06:44
,
06:44
he
06:44
studied,
06:45
he
06:45
was
06:45
really
06:46
kind
06:46
of
06:46
a
06:46
prodo
06:46
psychologist
06:47
in
06:48
studied
06:48
how
06:49
to
06:49
put
06:49
people
06:49
into
06:49
trances
06:50
with
06:50
hypnosis.
06:51
So
06:51
they
06:52
would
06:52
talk
06:52
about
06:52
mesmerizing
06:53
or
06:54
another
06:54
word
06:54
they
06:54
used
06:54
was
06:55
magnetizing,
06:55
which
06:56
they
06:56
meant
06:56
not
06:57
to
06:57
literally
06:58
make
06:58
somebody
06:58
magnetic,
06:59
but
06:59
to
06:59
put
07:00
them
07:00
in
07:00
this
07:00
kind
07:00
of
07:00
a
07:00
trance.
07:01
And
07:01
so
07:01
a
07:01
lot
07:01
of
07:01
the
07:01
mediums
07:02
in
07:02
the
07:02
19th
07:02
century
07:03
did
07:04
go
07:04
into
07:04
what
07:05
looked
07:05
like
07:05
these
07:05
trance
07:05
States.
07:06
I
07:06
mean,
07:06
so
07:07
the
07:07
story
07:07
of
07:07
spiritualism
07:08
is
07:08
inextricable
07:09
from
07:09
the
07:09
lives
07:10
of
07:10
the
07:10
two
07:10
sisters
07:11
living
07:11
in
07:11
1840s,
07:12
New
07:13
York.
07:13
And
07:13
as
07:13
I
07:13
mentioned
07:13
earlier,
07:14
their
07:14
names
07:14
are
07:14
Maggie
07:15
and
07:15
Kate
07:15
Fox.
07:16
And
07:16
their
07:16
story
07:17
is
07:17
interesting
07:17
for
07:17
all
07:18
kinds
07:18
of
07:18
reasons.
07:19
But
07:19
one
07:19
of
07:19
the
07:19
reasons
07:19
is
07:20
because
07:20
it
07:20
intersects
07:21
with
07:21
some
07:21
really
07:22
notable
07:22
figures
07:23
in
07:23
history.
07:23
Their
07:24
story
07:24
also
07:25
unfolds
07:25
during
07:25
a
07:26
really
07:26
dynamic
07:26
time
07:27
in
07:27
American
07:27
history.
07:28
So
07:29
this
07:29
was
07:29
a
07:29
time
07:29
when
07:30
the
07:30
country
07:30
was
07:31
moving
07:31
from
07:31
a
07:31
rural
07:32
economy
07:33
to
07:33
more
07:33
industrialization
07:34
in
07:34
the
07:34
cities.
07:35
People
07:35
were
07:36
sick
07:36
of
07:36
the
07:36
old
07:37
gloomy
07:37
Calvinist
07:38
doctrine
07:38
of
07:39
predestination.
07:39
This
07:40
idea
07:40
that
07:41
you
07:41
may
07:41
be
07:41
doomed
07:41
to
07:41
hell
07:42
and
07:42
there's
07:42
nothing
07:42
you
07:42
can
07:42
do
07:43
about
07:43
it.
07:43
So
07:43
they
07:43
were
07:43
moving
07:44
towards
07:44
more
07:44
optimistic,
07:45
forward
07:46
thinking
07:46
religious
07:47
movements.
07:48
And
07:48
this
07:48
is
07:48
of
07:48
course
07:48
is
07:48
also
07:49
the
07:49
era
07:49
of
07:49
the
07:50
abolitionists
07:50
movement
07:51
of
07:51
the
07:51
suffragette
07:52
movements
07:52
.
07:53
And
07:53
it
07:53
was
07:53
a
07:53
time
07:53
when
07:53
science
07:54
was
07:54
also
07:54
on
07:55
the
07:55
rise.
07:55
And
07:56
so
07:56
you
07:56
would
07:56
see
07:56
some
07:57
tensions
07:57
between
07:57
science
07:58
and
07:58
religion.
07:59
And
07:59
of
07:59
course
07:59
the
07:59
right
08:00
in
08:00
the
08:00
middle
08:00
of
08:00
the
08:00
19th
08:00
century,
08:01
there's
08:01
the
08:01
civil
08:02
war,
08:02
you
08:03
know,
08:03
already
08:03
there
08:03
was
08:04
a
08:04
growing
08:04
interest
08:05
in
08:05
mediums
08:05
and
08:05
spirit
08:06
communications,
08:07
but
08:07
it
08:07
wasn't
08:08
until
08:08
strange
08:09
happenings
08:09
in
08:09
a
08:09
little
08:10
one-bedroom
08:11
cabin
08:11
in
08:12
Hydesville
08:12
New
08:12
York,
08:12
which
08:13
is
08:13
in
08:13
Western
08:13
New
08:14
York,
08:14
that
08:14
the
08:14
movement
08:15
fully
08:15
came
08:16
to
08:16
be
08:16
so
08:17
spiritual
08:18
ism
08:18
.
08:18
It
08:18
emerged,
08:19
as
08:19
I
08:19
said
08:19
in
08:19
Western
08:20
New
08:20
York,
08:20
and
08:20
this
08:20
was
08:20
called
08:21
the
08:21
burned
08:21
over
08:21
district,
08:22
I
08:22
think
08:22
that's
08:22
such
08:23
a,
08:23
such
08:23
a
08:23
funny
08:24
name,
08:25
but
08:25
it
08:25
was
08:25
called
08:26
that
08:26
because
08:26
of
08:26
the
08:26
spirit
08:27
of
08:27
revival,
08:28
which
08:28
had
08:28
been
08:28
spreading
08:29
throughout
08:29
the
08:29
area
08:30
during
08:30
what
08:30
was
08:31
known
08:31
as
08:31
the
08:31
second
08:32
grade
08:32
awakening.
08:32
So
08:32
there
08:32
was
08:33
a
08:33
lot
08:33
of
08:33
evangelical
08:34
religions
08:35
really
08:35
going
08:35
through
08:36
there
08:36
and
08:36
trying
08:36
to
08:36
get
08:36
everybody
08:37
on
08:38
board
08:38
with
08:38
their
08:38
particular
08:38
religion.
08:39
And
08:40
it
08:40
seems
08:40
that
08:40
many
08:41
earth
08:41
shaking
08:41
messages
08:42
were
08:42
being
08:42
passed
08:42
down
08:43
from
08:43
on
08:43
high
08:43
around
08:43
me
08:43
,
08:43
sleepy
08:44
communities
08:44
during
08:45
this
08:45
time
08:46
in
08:46
1823,
08:47
somebody
08:48
by
08:48
the
08:48
name
08:48
of
08:48
Joseph
08:49
Smith,
08:49
who
08:49
you
08:50
may
08:50
have
08:50
heard
08:50
of
08:51
says
08:51
he
08:51
received
08:52
a
08:52
set
08:52
of
08:52
golden
08:52
plates
08:53
from
08:53
the
08:53
angel
08:54
Merona
08:54
and
08:54
you
08:55
can
08:55
you
08:55
guess
08:55
what
08:56
that
08:56
was
08:56
translated
08:56
into
08:57
the
08:57
book
08:57
of
08:57
Mormon?
08:59
Yep
08:59
.
08:59
So
09:00
another
09:00
religious
09:00
movement
09:01
that
09:01
was
09:01
going
09:01
on
09:01
around
09:02
this
09:02
time
09:02
was
09:02
in
09:02
the
09:02
1830s.
09:03
There
09:04
was
09:04
this
09:04
wacky
09:04
New
09:05
York
09:05
farmer.
09:05
He
09:05
was
09:05
also
09:06
a
09:06
Baptist
09:06
preacher
09:07
named
09:07
William
09:08
Miller.
09:09
And
09:09
he
09:09
started
09:09
going
09:09
around
09:10
telling
09:10
people
09:11
in
09:11
the
09:11
community
09:11
that
09:12
the
09:12
world
09:12
was
09:12
going
09:12
to
09:12
end.
09:13
And
09:13
so
09:14
apparently
09:14
October
09:16
22nd,
09:16
1844
09:16
was
09:17
the
09:17
final
09:17
day.
09:18
So
09:18
would
09:18
you
09:18
believe
09:19
almost
09:19
a
09:19
hundred
09:20
thousand
09:20
people
09:20
gathered?
09:21
They
09:21
sold
09:21
everything.
09:22
They
09:22
had,
09:22
they
09:22
converged
09:23
in
09:23
this
09:23
little
09:23
town
09:24
in
09:24
New
09:24
York
09:25
and
09:25
they
09:25
just
09:25
sat
09:26
there
09:26
waiting
09:26
for
09:26
God
09:27
to
09:27
come.
09:27
And
09:27
so
09:27
this
09:27
religion
09:28
was
09:28
known
09:28
as
09:28
militarism.
09:29
It's
09:29
not
09:30
obviously
09:30
not
09:30
as
09:31
well
09:31
known
09:31
or
09:31
didn't,
09:31
didn't
09:32
catch
09:32
on
09:32
as
09:32
well
09:32
as
09:32
Mormonism.
09:33
And
09:34
I
09:34
kind
09:34
of
09:34
wonder,
09:35
like,
09:35
what
09:35
did
09:35
they
09:35
do
09:36
after
09:36
nothing
09:37
happened?
09:37  Speaker 3
I
09:37
would
09:38
like
09:38
to
09:38
think
09:38
that
09:38
I
09:38
,
09:38
I
09:39
couldn't
09:39
imagine
09:40
that,
09:40
but
09:41
my
09:41
mom
09:41
had
09:42
told
09:42
me,
09:42
of
09:42
course
09:42
it
09:42
always
09:43
goes
09:43
back
09:43
to
09:44
Appalachians,
09:44
but
09:45
she
09:46
told
09:46
me
09:46
as
09:46
a
09:46
child
09:47
that
09:47
the
09:47
sky
09:48
had
09:48
turned
09:48
red,
09:49
I
09:49
guess
09:49
just
09:50
how
09:50
you
09:50
see
09:50
pretty
09:50
sunsets
09:51
or
09:52
just
09:52
very
09:53
vibrant
09:54
colors.
09:54
And
09:54
of
09:55
course
09:55
I
09:55
couldn't
09:55
just
09:55
leave
09:55
it
09:55
at
09:56
that.
09:56
So
09:57
she
09:57
remembers
09:57
like
09:58
neighbors
09:58
and
09:58
people
09:59
being
09:59
out
09:59
in
09:59
their
09:59
yards
10:00
crying
10:01
and
10:01
holding
10:02
each
10:02
other.
10:02
Cause
10:02
they
10:02
thought
10:03
,
10:03
um
10:03
,
10:03
it
10:03
was
10:03
the
10:03
end
10:04
of
10:04
the
10:04
world.
10:04
Oh
10:04
my
10:04
God
10:05
was
10:05
this
10:05
when
10:05
she
10:05
was
10:06
a
10:06
kid.
10:06
Yeah
10:06
.
10:07
And
10:07
that,
10:07
you
10:07
know,
10:08
God
10:08
was
10:08
coming
10:09
and
10:09
the
10:09
apocalypse
10:10
and
10:11
all
10:11
of
10:11
that
10:11
stuff,
10:12
but
10:12
she
10:12
was
10:12
young.
10:13
But
10:13
you
10:13
also
10:14
have
10:14
to
10:14
remember,
10:14
this
10:14
is,
10:15
you
10:15
know,
10:15
my,
10:16
my
10:16
grandmother
10:16
who
10:17
used
10:18
Appalachian
10:19
folk
10:20
remedies,
10:20
such
10:20
as
10:21
having
10:21
my
10:21
mom
10:22
drank
10:22
water
10:23
that
10:23
had
10:24
minnows
10:24
in
10:24
it.
10:25
Yeah
10:25
.
10:25
Yeah.
10:25
And
10:26
I
10:26
found
10:26
out
10:26
what
10:26
that
10:26
was
10:26
for
10:27
too
10:27
.
10:27
Oh,
10:27
you
10:28
did?
10:28
What
10:28
was
10:28
it?
10:28
Four?
10:29
I
10:29
asked
10:29
her
10:29
the
10:29
other
10:30
day
10:30
and
10:30
she
10:30
said,
10:31
she
10:31
said,
10:31
are
10:31
you
10:31
making
10:31
fun
10:32
of
10:32
me?
10:34
And
10:34
,
10:35
um
10:35
,
10:35
it
10:35
was
10:35
used
10:35
for
10:35
croup.
10:36
So
10:37
she
10:38
was
10:38
made
10:38
to
10:38
do
10:39
it.
10:39
And
10:39
she
10:39
went
10:39
along
10:39
with
10:39
it
10:40
more
10:40
than
10:40
once.
10:40
So
10:41
it
10:41
was,
10:41
I
10:41
think
10:41
it
10:42
was
10:42
multiple
10:42
times
10:43
when
10:43
she
10:43
had
10:43
the
10:43
crew
10:44  Speaker 1
Or
10:44
if
10:44
it
10:44
helped
10:44
her,
10:44
did
10:44
she
10:44
say
10:45
no,
10:45
I
10:45
think
10:46
she
10:46
would,
10:47
she
10:47
probably
10:47
just
10:47
got
10:48
a
10:48
terrible
10:48
GI
10:48
infection
10:49
from
10:49
it.
10:52  Speaker 3
Yeah.
10:53
So
10:54  Speaker 1
Beliefs
10:54
can
10:55
be
10:55
really
10:55
powerful
10:55
sometimes.
10:56
I
10:56
think,
10:56
although
10:57
something
10:57
may
10:57
not
10:57
work
10:58
scientifically,
10:59
it
10:59
may
10:59
work
11:00
because
11:00
you
11:00
believe
11:01
in
11:01
it.
11:02
Um,
11:02
so
11:02
the
11:02
story
11:02
about
11:03
the
11:03
Fox
11:03
sisters,
11:03
as
11:03
I
11:04
mentioned,
11:04
it
11:04
begins
11:04
in
11:05
their
11:05
little
11:05
tiny
11:06
little
11:06
house.
11:07
They
11:07
were
11:07
living
11:07
and
11:07
they
11:08
were
11:08
having
11:08
another
11:08
house
11:08
built.
11:09
So
11:09
for
11:09
the
11:09
time
11:10
being
11:10
the
11:10
family,
11:10
it
11:10
was
11:11
the
11:11
mom
11:11
and
11:11
dad
11:11
and
11:11
then
11:12
the
11:12
two
11:12
young
11:12
girls.
11:13
So
11:13
they
11:13
were
11:13
living
11:14
in
11:14
there
11:14
.
11:14
It
11:14
only
11:14
had
11:14
one
11:14
bedroom.
11:15
And
11:16
so
11:16
the
11:16
family,
11:16
they
11:16
would,
11:16
they
11:17
would
11:17
sleep
11:17
together
11:17
in
11:17
the
11:17
one
11:18
bedroom.
11:18
And
11:19
this
11:19
was
11:19
in
11:19
March
11:20
of
11:20
18.
11:22
God
11:22
was
11:22
in
11:22
1848
11:23
I
11:23
think.
11:24
And
11:24
so
11:24
they
11:25
hear
11:25
,
11:25
they
11:25
start
11:25
to
11:25
hear
11:25
these
11:26
really
11:26
weird
11:27
sounds.
11:28
So
11:28
they
11:28
were,
11:28
they
11:29
sounded
11:29
like
11:29
these
11:30
wraps
11:30
and
11:31
taps
11:31
and
11:31
they
11:31
were
11:31
coming
11:32
from
11:32
all
11:32
over
11:33
the
11:33
room
11:34
and
11:34
they
11:34
would
11:34
be
11:34
really
11:34
loud.
11:35
Sometimes
11:35
it
11:35
would
11:35
sound
11:35
like
11:35
they
11:36
were
11:36
above
11:36
them.
11:36
Sometimes
11:37
they
11:37
would
11:37
sound
11:37
like
11:38
they
11:38
were
11:38
on,
11:38
you
11:38
know,
11:38
on
11:39
the
11:39
left,
11:39
on
11:39
the
11:39
right.
11:40
And
11:40
this
11:41
went
11:41
on
11:41
for
11:41
many,
11:41
many
11:42
nights.
11:43
Would
11:43
that
11:43
freak
11:43
you
11:43
out
11:44
if
11:44
you,
11:44
if
11:44
you
11:45
started
11:45
hearing
11:45
something
11:45
like
11:46
that?
11:46  Speaker 3
Oh
11:46
yeah.
11:47
I
11:47
mean,
11:47
if
11:48
I
11:48
just
11:48
hear
11:48
a
11:48
creak
11:48
in
11:48
the
11:48
house,
11:49
now
11:50
it
11:50
kind
11:50
of
11:50
freaks
11:51
me
11:51
out
11:51
a
11:51
bit
11:51
or
11:51
when
11:52
I'm
11:52
at
11:52
my
11:53
parents'
11:53
house
11:53