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#517 – Depth and AI with Brandon Gilles and Brian Weinstein


Welcome Brandon Gilles and Brian Weinstein of Luxonis Holding Corporation

  • They make the DepthAI system, which uses the Intel Movidius Myriad X
  • It was initially created for life safety problems, specifically targeted at distracted drivers.
  • There is research that a car horn on a bike can help to lower fatal interactions.
  • Brandon had multiple people in his life hurt or killed by cars while biking.
  • Though a systemic change is needed, a tech solution is more likely in the short term.
  • They built a hardware protoype and spent a couple hours of coding to prove out the concept.
  • “Depth perception + CV is a cheat code”, but it needs to be useful in the physical world
  • No way to embed this much power
  • Current depth cameras on the market
    • Intel D435
    • Intel D455
  • Two camera solution senses the disparity in the images
  • AI (OpenCV) helps tell what is there (Car, bus, etc)
  • Intel compute sticks
  • Combining depth plus AI
  • There are other Myriad X SOMs
  • Jay Carlson episode where he was talking about SOMs and MIPI
  • 2 lane vs 4 lane MIPI
  • Base boards open source on github
  • Luxonis did a Kickstarter with OpenCV and raised $1.4M
  • Working with vendors
  • Niche that didn’t exist: embedded, low cost, fast boot, performant
  • OpenCV is a compiled library
  • PyTorch
  • DNN Module
  • DARPA grand challenge
  • OpenCV is a huge community
  • The DepthAI has bindings for ROS/Python
  • What is the Myriad X chip background?
  • Intel bought the Movidius team in 2016 (Vox)
  • 28 processors on the die, with a “Network on chip architecture“
  • What gets access to the data from the camera first?
  • It is flexible, so the software configures it
  • Asymmetric fell out of favor
  • Geometries of the boards for the Kickstarter
  • 0.4mm pitch, 400 pin BGA
  • OAK-1 has the color camera, OAK-D has the color camera plus stereo vision
  • December delivery, which they are on time for
  • Possible to get the boards right now at higher prices
  • They are working with Arducam to try and source different camera modules.
  • Lower cost overall will come from lower cost cameras
  • Camera module industry is very opaque
  • This is why there is a custom RPi camera
  • IMX 378
  • Apple and Android are doing visual depth preception on phones, including Apple’s new LiDAR on the iPhone
  • Luxonis did a competition around spatial AI and got over 300 entries
  • Many of the entries involved “giving another sense” to the visually impared.
  • Following the bald referee
  • Privacy centric
  • What is edge computing?
  • “Embedded is barely a thing yet for AI”
  • OpenMV by Kwabena Agyeman works on a ST part
  • They are working on building out the team.
  • If you’re a PCB layout engineer proficient in Altium, send them an email. (remember: The Amp Hour always recommends sharing a portfolio of your work)
  • SOM Info, including the pinout of the connector on the SOM, is on the github
  • For more information, check out Luxonis.com

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 November 16, 2020  1h41m