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episode 15: Living Fast, Dying Young or The 27 Club [transcript]


Does genius come with an early expiration date? Whether it be a curse or the consequences of fast living, some of the world’s greatest talents have flamed out at a young age. Tonight we consider the so-called “27 club” and a few of its best known members.

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Braid, Mary. “A Rock Legend Unto Herself.” Independent. October 23, 2011

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/rock-legend-unto-herself-1345098.html

Chiu, David. “Mia Zapata: Punk Musician Murdered in 1993, Changing Seattle Grunge Scene.” Rolling Stone. July 9, 2018

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/mia-zapata-punk-musician-murdered-in-1993-changing-seattle-grunge-scene-694965/

Forensic Files. “The Day the Music Died.” Season 12, Episode 7. Aired November 14, 2007

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1142328/fullcredits

 Harrington, Richard and Lei, Richard. “Nirvana Singer Found Dead.” April 9, 1994. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1994/04/09/nirvana-singer-found-dead/d960b58a-c6a4-4270-9ea0-bb3ccc1fda34/

 Independent. “The death of Jimi Hendrix: the unanswered questions.” September 17, 2020

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/jimi-hendrix-death-cause-theories-b451314.html

 Jim Morrison - Final 24: His Final Hours. 2020

https://www.amazon.com/Morrison-Jim-Final-His-Hours/dp/B003VC6F44

 Johnson, Tracy. “11 years later, justice for slain singer Zapata: DNA sample helps convict Miami man of murder.” Seattle Post-Intelligencer Reporter. March 25, 2004

https://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/11-years-later-justice-for-slain-singer-Zapata-1140617.php

Lamoureux, Aimee. “The Mystery of Jim Morrison's Death and the Theories Around It.” All That’s Interesting. April 9, 2018.

www.allthatisinteresting.com

Military.com. “Famous Veterans: Jimi Hendrix.”

https://www.military.com/veteran-jobs/career-advice/military-transition/famous-veterans-jimi-hendrix.html

Pian Chan, Sharon. “Singer’s killer sentenced to 36 years in prison again.” The Seattle Times. January 30, 2009

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/singers-killer-sentenced-to-36-years-in-prison-again/

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. “Jimi Hendrix Experience”

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/jimi-hendrix-experience

"The Last Hours of Janis Joplin" Season 2, 2016.

Tizon, Alex. “Who Murdered Mia Zapata? -- No Arrests, Few Clues 5 Years After Slaying.” The Seattle Times. August 23, 1998

https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19980823&slug=2768095

 


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 2021-01-13  45m
 
 
00:00  Speaker 1
Does
00:01
genius
00:01
come
00:01
with
00:02
an
00:02
early
00:02
expiration
00:03
date,
00:04
whether
00:04
it
00:04
be
00:04
a
00:04
curse
00:05
or
00:05
the
00:05
consequences
00:06
of
00:06
fast
00:06
living,
00:07
some
00:08
of
00:08
the
00:08
world's
00:08
greatest
00:08
talents
00:09
have
00:09
flamed
00:09
out
00:10
at
00:10
a
00:10
young
00:10
age
00:11
tonight,
00:12
we
00:12
consider
00:12
the
00:12
so-called
00:13
27
00:13
club
00:14
and
00:14
a
00:14
few
00:15
of
00:15
its
00:15
best
00:15
known
00:15
members.
00:23  Speaker 2
Jen,
00:23
how
00:23
are
00:23
you?
00:24
I'm
00:24  Speaker 1
Doing
00:24
well.
00:24
How
00:25
are
00:25
you,
00:25
Jen?
00:25
I'm
00:26
recovering
00:26  Speaker 3
From
00:26
break
00:27
or
00:27
recovering
00:28
from
00:28
the
00:28
holidays.
00:28
I
00:28
think
00:29
I'm
00:29
a
00:29
bit
00:29
hung
00:30
over.
00:30
Yes.
00:31  Speaker 1
I
00:31
feel
00:32
exactly
00:32
the
00:32
same
00:33
way
00:33
kind
00:33
of
00:34
in
00:34
that
00:34
transitional
00:34
period
00:35
where
00:35
you're
00:35
trying
00:35
to
00:35
go
00:36
from
00:36
like
00:36
the
00:36
most
00:37
important
00:37
decision
00:37
of
00:37
your
00:38
day
00:38
is
00:39
what
00:39
to
00:39
have
00:39
for
00:39
breakfast
00:40
back
00:40
to
00:40
real
00:41
life.
00:41
That's
00:42
where
00:42
I'm
00:42
at.
00:43
Yeah,
00:43
me
00:43
too.
00:44
I
00:44
feel
00:44
very
00:45
out
00:45
of
00:45
sorts
00:45
during
00:46
transitions
00:46
like
00:46
that
00:46
.
00:47  Speaker 3
Uh
00:47
,
00:47
I've
00:47
been
00:47
having
00:47
a
00:48
lot
00:48
of
00:48
crazy
00:48
dreams.
00:49
Like
00:49
last
00:49
night
00:50
I
00:50
dreamt
00:50
that
00:51
the
00:51
Iranian
00:52
government
00:52
was
00:52
trying
00:52
to
00:53
assassinate
00:53
me.
00:56  Speaker 1
You
00:56
should
00:57
run
00:57
,
00:57
you
00:57
should
00:57
write
00:57
these
00:58
dreams
00:58
down
00:58
and
00:58
write
00:58
political
00:59
thrillers
00:59
or
01:00
something.
01:00
That's
01:00
a
01:00
crazy
01:01
dream.
01:02
I
01:02
think
01:02  Speaker 3
Trying
01:02
to
01:02
take
01:03
me
01:03
out
01:03
before
01:03
the
01:03
aliens
01:04
come
01:04
and
01:04
harvest
01:05
my
01:05
eggs.
01:07  Speaker 1
That
01:07
must
01:08
be
01:08
it.
01:09
That's
01:09
too
01:09
crazy.
01:10
That
01:10
was
01:10
a
01:10
crazy
01:10
dream
01:11
where
01:11
you
01:11
really
01:11
scared
01:12
in
01:12
the
01:12
dream,
01:12
like,
01:12
did
01:13
you
01:13
wake
01:13
up
01:13
freaked
01:13
out?
01:14
I
01:14
was,
01:14
but
01:14
I
01:14
can't
01:15
remember
01:15
the
01:15
specifics.
01:16  Speaker 3
I
01:16
don't
01:17
even
01:17
know
01:17
where
01:17
that
01:18
even
01:18
came
01:19
into
01:19
being.
01:20
Hmm
01:20
.
01:21  Speaker 1
But
01:21
that's,
01:21
that's
01:21
a
01:21
crazy
01:22
dream.
01:22
I
01:22
actually,
01:22
it's
01:23
funny.
01:23
You
01:23
said
01:23
that
01:23
you
01:23
had
01:24
crazy
01:24
dreams
01:24
because
01:25
I've
01:25
been
01:25
getting
01:25
my
01:25
days
01:26
and
01:26
nights
01:26
mixed
01:26
up
01:26
a
01:27
lot
01:27
during
01:27
break.
01:28
And
01:28
um
01:28
,
01:28
so
01:29
I've
01:29
been,
01:29
the
01:29
result
01:29
is
01:29
that
01:30
I'm
01:30
sleeping
01:30
a
01:30
lot
01:30
during
01:30
the
01:30
day.
01:31
And
01:32
I
01:32
had
01:32
some
01:33
wacko
01:34
dreams
01:34
today
01:34
and
01:35
you
01:35
were
01:35
actually
01:36
in
01:36
one
01:36
of
01:36
them.
01:36
So
01:36
I
01:37
was
01:37
back
01:37
in
01:37
college
01:38
and
01:39
like
01:39
my
01:39
husband
01:40
and
01:40
I
01:40
were
01:40
together,
01:40
but
01:40
I
01:41
guess
01:41
we
01:41
were
01:41
dating.
01:41
I
01:41
don't
01:42
think
01:42
we
01:42
were
01:42
married
01:42
yet,
01:43
but
01:43
we
01:43
were
01:44
like,
01:44
we
01:44
were
01:44
in
01:44
this
01:44
huge
01:45
fight
01:46
and
01:46
we
01:46
had
01:46
different
01:47
dorm
01:47
rooms.
01:48
And
01:48
so
01:49
finally
01:49
we
01:49
go
01:49
to
01:49
talk
01:50
and
01:50
he's
01:50
like,
01:50
well,
01:50
I've
01:50
just
01:50
been
01:51
laying
01:51
here.
01:51
Talk,
01:52
talking
01:52
about
01:52
our
01:52
problems
01:53
with
01:53
Jen
01:53
.
01:53
And
01:54
I'm
01:54
like,
01:54
what
01:54
?
01:55
I
01:55
was.
01:56
Cause
01:56
I'm
01:56
like,
01:56
she's
01:57
my
01:57
best
01:57
friend.
01:58
You
01:58
can
01:58
go
01:58
to
01:59
her
01:59
about
01:59
our
01:59
problems
01:59
first.
02:01
And
02:01
like,
02:01
I
02:01
was
02:01
trying
02:01
to
02:01
call
02:01
you
02:02
on
02:02
this
02:02
little
02:02
cell
02:02
phone
02:03
from
02:03
like
02:03
2003.
02:04
And
02:04
like,
02:04
I
02:04
couldn't
02:05
get
02:05
your
02:05
number.
02:05
I
02:05
couldn't
02:05
get
02:05
anybody's
02:06
number.
02:07
And
02:07
then
02:07
there
02:07
was
02:08
this
02:08
group
02:08
that
02:08
was
02:09
like,
02:09
I
02:10
don't
02:10
know.
02:10
They
02:10
thought
02:10
I
02:10
had
02:10
mental
02:11
health
02:11
issues
02:11
and
02:12
wanted
02:12
me
02:13
to
02:13
join
02:13
it.
02:14
And
02:14
like
02:14
their
02:14
whole
02:14
thing
02:15
about
02:15
how
02:15
to
02:15
deal
02:15
with
02:16
it
02:16
was
02:16
like
02:16
you
02:16
do
02:17
crafts
02:18
and
02:18
you
02:18
had
02:18
to
02:18
like
02:18
write
02:19
like
02:19
100
02:19
or
02:20
like
02:20
one
02:20
,
02:20
1000
02:21
word
02:21
essays
02:21
about
02:22
like
02:22
different
02:22
subjects.
02:23
Apparently
02:23
if
02:23
you
02:23
were
02:24
busy
02:24
enough,
02:24
like
02:25
you
02:25
would
02:25
not
02:25
be
02:25
your
02:26
mental
02:26
illness
02:26
would
02:26
not.
02:27  Speaker 3
They
02:27
needed
02:28
a
02:28
new
02:28
president
02:29
is
02:29
what
02:29
it
02:29
sounded
02:29
like.
02:33  Speaker 1
And
02:33
I
02:33
had
02:33
swirling
02:34
water
02:34
dreams.
02:34
Do
02:34
you
02:35
ever
02:35
have
02:35
those?
02:35
Those
02:36
are
02:36
my
02:36
stress
02:36
dreams.
02:37
Oh
02:37
my
02:37
God.
02:37
It's
02:38
always
02:38
this
02:38
swirling
02:39
Brown
02:39
water
02:40
that
02:40
you
02:40
don't
02:41
know
02:41
what's
02:41
in
02:41
the
02:41
water.
02:42
Like
02:42
it
02:42
could
02:42
be
02:42
anything
02:43
and
02:43
like
02:44
cliff.
02:44
Well
02:44
it's
02:45
for
02:45
me,
02:45
it
02:45
is
02:45
like
02:46
when
02:46
I
02:46
have
02:46
those
02:46
dreams,
02:47
I
02:47
know
02:47
that
02:47
I'm
02:47
mentally
02:48
drafted
02:48
up
02:49
and
02:49
take
02:50
care
02:50
of
02:50
myself.
02:51
So
02:53
I
02:53
had
02:53
one
02:53
of
02:53
those
02:54
as
02:54
well.
02:54
Not,
02:55
not
02:55
a
02:55
good
02:56
afternoon
02:56
sleep,
02:58
but
02:59
we'll
02:59
get
02:59
through
02:59
it.
02:59
We'll
03:00
get
03:00
through
03:00
these
03:00
transitions
03:01
is
03:01
transitional
03:01
time
03:02
and
03:02
everybody
03:03
else
03:03
will
03:03
too.
03:04
Transitions
03:04
are
03:04
hard,
03:05
man.
03:05
They're
03:05
hard.
03:06  Speaker 3
So
03:07
what
03:07
are
03:07
you
03:07
having
03:07
to
03:07
drink
03:07
tonight?
03:09
I'm
03:09
having
03:09
,
03:10
um,
03:10  Speaker 1
What's
03:10
called
03:11
a
03:11
lemon
03:11
cello
03:12
sparkle.
03:13
It's
03:13
really
03:14
tasty.
03:14
It's
03:15
I
03:15
think
03:15
it's
03:15
an
03:15
ounce.
03:16
I'm
03:16
trying
03:16
to
03:16
remember
03:16
exactly
03:17
the
03:17
amounts
03:17
I
03:17
threw
03:18
in
03:18
there.
03:18
Like
03:18
an
03:18
ounce
03:19
of
03:19
lemon
03:19
cello,
03:20
I
03:20
think
03:20
a
03:20
half
03:21
ounce
03:21
of
03:21
Quantro
03:22
and
03:22
then
03:22
I
03:23
put
03:23
them
03:23
in
03:23
my
03:23
cocktail
03:24
shaker
03:24
with
03:24
ice.
03:25
I
03:25
doubled
03:25
it
03:25
because
03:25
I
03:26
made
03:26
one
03:26
for
03:26
my
03:26
husband
03:26
too.
03:27
And
03:27
then
03:27
poured
03:27
that
03:28
in
03:28
,
03:28
in
03:28
a
03:29
coop
03:29
and
03:29
then
03:29
poured
03:30
champagne
03:30
over
03:30
top
03:30
of
03:31
that.
03:31  Speaker 3
So
03:31
can
03:31
I
03:32
see
03:32
?
03:32
Yeah.
03:33
Classy.
03:34
Nice.
03:34
So
03:34
what
03:35
are
03:35
you
03:35
having?
03:36
I'm
03:36
doing
03:36
something
03:37
a
03:37
little
03:37
bit
03:37
different
03:37
tonight.
03:38
I
03:38
am
03:38
having,
03:39
and
03:39
I
03:39
do
03:40
this
03:40
every
03:40
year
03:41
and
03:41
no,
03:41
it's
03:41
not
03:41
drugs
03:43
around
03:43
the
03:43
holidays.
03:44
I
03:44
buy
03:44
this
03:45
ale
03:45
.
03:45
It's
03:45
called
03:45
delirium
03:47
and
03:47
it's
03:47
really,
03:48
really
03:48
good.
03:48
It's
03:48
a
03:48
Belgium
03:49
ale.
03:49
It
03:49
comes
03:50
in
03:50
this
03:50
really?
03:51
I
03:51
don't
03:51
know
03:51
if
03:51
you
03:51
can
03:51
see
03:52
it.
03:52
Factual
03:53
bottles
03:53
are
03:54
ceramic
03:54
.
03:54
So,
03:54  Speaker 1
So
03:55
do
03:55
they
03:55
only
03:55
release
03:56
it
03:56
at
03:56
Christmas?
03:57  Speaker 3
I
03:57
only
03:57
recall
03:58
seeing
03:58
it
03:58
around
03:59
Christmas
03:59
time,
04:00
but
04:01
as
04:01
I
04:01
said,
04:01
it's
04:01
just
04:02
for
04:02
special
04:03
occasions
04:03
is
04:03
when
04:03
I
04:03
get
04:04
it
04:04
and
04:04
it's
04:04
normally,
04:05
I
04:05
only
04:06
get
04:06
it
04:06
for
04:06
one
04:06
special
04:07
occasion.
04:07
I
04:07
get
04:07
it
04:07
for
04:08
Christmas.
04:08
And
04:08
then
04:08
I
04:08
take
04:09
it
04:09
over
04:09
to
04:09
my
04:09
in-laws
04:10
usually
04:11
normally.
04:12  Speaker 1
So
04:13
it's
04:13
,
04:13
it's
04:13
like
04:13
a
04:13
tradition
04:14
for
04:14
you.
04:15  Speaker 3
And
04:15
along
04:15
with
04:15
a
04:15
lot
04:15
of
04:15
Dogfish
04:16
head
04:16
beer,
04:17  Speaker 1
I
04:17
have
04:17
to
04:17
tell
04:17
you
04:17
a
04:18
funny
04:18
story
04:18
about
04:18
Dogfish
04:19
head.
04:19
So
04:19
the
04:19
other
04:19
night,
04:20
I
04:20
can't
04:20
remember
04:20
what
04:21
we
04:21
were
04:21
eating,
04:22
but
04:22
we
04:22
were
04:22
having
04:22
something
04:23
and
04:23
Brian
04:23
was
04:24
like,
04:24
Oh
04:24
God,
04:24
a
04:24
beer
04:25
would
04:25
taste
04:25
really
04:25
good
04:26
with
04:26
this,
04:26
but
04:26
I
04:26
don't
04:26
think
04:27
we
04:27
have
04:27
any
04:27
beer.
04:28
And
04:28
I'm
04:28
like,
04:28
no,
04:29
I
04:29
think
04:29
there's
04:30
one
04:30
way
04:30
in
04:30
the
04:30
back
04:30
of
04:31
the
04:31
fridge.
04:31
I
04:31
think
04:31
Jen
04:32
left
04:32
a
04:32
dog
04:33
fish
04:33
head
04:33
IPA
04:34
here,
04:35
like
04:35
probably
04:36
a
04:36
year
04:36
ago
04:36
before
04:37
COVID.
04:37
So
04:38
I
04:38
looked
04:38
in
04:38
there.
04:39
It
04:39
was.
04:39
And
04:39
so
04:39
he
04:39
had,
04:40
he
04:40
had
04:40
one
04:40
of
04:40
your
04:40
dog
04:41
fish
04:41
heads.
04:41
He
04:41
was
04:41
very
04:42
happy.
04:42
It
04:43
was
04:43
probably
04:43
the
04:43
90
04:43
minute
04:44
IPA.
04:44
I
04:45
think
04:45
it
04:45
was
04:46  Speaker 3
Bomb
04:46
because
04:47
they
04:47
were
04:47
bought
04:47
out
04:48
by,
04:49
is
04:49
it
04:49  Speaker 1
Sam
04:49
Adams?
04:50
Oh,
04:50
are
04:51
you
04:51
serious?
04:52
Yeah.
04:52
About
04:52
two
04:52
years
04:53
ago
04:53  Speaker 3
They
04:54
were
04:54
bought
04:54
out
04:54
and
04:55
I
04:55
don't
04:55
know
04:55
if
04:55
like
04:55
any
04:56
of
04:56
their
04:56
recipes
04:57
or
04:57
anything
04:57
have
04:57
changed,
04:58
but
04:58
it
04:58
was
04:58
just
04:58
a
04:58
really
04:59
cool,
04:59
funky
04:59
little
05:00
place
05:00
that
05:00
you
05:00
could
05:00
go
05:00
and
05:01
get
05:01
a
05:01
beer
05:01
in
05:02
in
05:02
Delaware
05:03
and
05:04
just
05:04
truly
05:05
a
05:05
craft
05:05
brewery.
05:07
You
05:07
meet
05:07
a
05:07
lot
05:07
of
05:07
different
05:07
people
05:08
and
05:08
it's
05:09
just,
05:09
it
05:09
was
05:09
a
05:09
really
05:09
fun
05:10
scene,
05:10
but
05:10
it
05:10
just
05:11
kind
05:11
of
05:11
bummed
05:11
me
05:11
out
05:11
that
05:11
this
05:12
family
05:12
owned
05:12
place
05:12
was,
05:13
was
05:13
bought
05:13
out
05:13
by
05:13
one
05:14
of
05:14
these
05:14
big
05:14
brewers
05:15  Speaker 1
That
05:15
is
05:15
too
05:15
bad.
05:16
We
05:16
should
05:16
get
05:17
into
05:17
craft
05:17
beer
05:17
brewing
05:19
you,
05:19
me
05:20
and
05:20
Brian
05:20
can
05:20
like
05:21
drop
05:21
our
05:21
jobs
05:21
and
05:22
become
05:22
craft
05:22
beer
05:22
brewers.
05:23
And
05:23
we
05:23
can
05:23
have
05:23
like
05:24
a
05:24
little
05:24
place
05:25
on
05:25
the
05:25
shore.
05:26
That
05:26
would
05:26
be
05:26
fun.
05:27
We
05:27
,
05:27
you
05:27
should
05:27
do
05:27
it.
05:27
I
05:27
think
05:28
this
05:28
should
05:28
be
05:28
like
05:28
one
05:28
of
05:28
your
05:29
projects
05:29
for
05:29
2021
05:30
while
05:30
I'm
05:31
writing
05:31
my
05:31
thousand
05:31
word
05:32
essays
05:32
on
05:32
mental
05:33
wellness,
05:34
you
05:34
can
05:34
write
05:35
your,
05:35
you
05:36
can
05:36
brew
05:36
your
05:36
beer.
05:37
So
05:37
this
05:37
will
05:37
keep
05:38
us
05:38
out
05:38
of
05:38
trouble.
05:39
Should
05:39
we
05:39
get
05:39
into
05:39
our
05:40
story
05:40
for
05:40
this
05:40
evening?
05:41
Yeah,
05:41
let's
05:41
do
05:42
it.
05:42
So
05:42
tonight
05:43
we
05:43
are
05:43
going
05:44
to
05:44
be
05:44
talking
05:44
about
05:45
the
05:45
27
05:45
club
05:46
and
05:47
I'm
05:47
guessing
05:47
people
05:48
out
05:48
there
05:48
probably
05:49
know
05:49
what
05:49
that
05:49
is,
05:49
but
05:49
I'm
05:49
just
05:50
going
05:50
to
05:50
give
05:50
a
05:50
quick
05:50
rundown
05:52
of
05:52
what
05:52
that
05:52
refers
05:53
to.
05:53
So
05:53
the
05:54
27
05:54
club
05:54
refers
05:55
to
05:56
a
05:56
group
05:56
of
05:56
musicians,
05:57
artists,
05:57
and
05:58
actors
05:58
and
05:58
other
05:58
entertainers,
05:59
all
05:59
of
06:00
whom
06:00
have
06:00
died
06:00
at
06:00
the
06:01
age
06:01
of
06:01
27.
06:02
There
06:02
are
06:02
people
06:03
like,
06:03
I
06:03
mean,
06:03
I
06:03
think
06:03
the
06:04
Trinity
06:04
are
06:05
Jimi
06:05
Hendrix,
06:06
Janis
06:06
Joplin,
06:07
and
06:08
Jim
06:08
Morrison.
06:09
And
06:09
we're
06:09
actually
06:09
going
06:10
to
06:10
be
06:10
talking
06:10
about
06:10
all
06:10
three
06:11
of
06:11
them
06:11
this
06:11
evening,
06:12
but
06:12
there
06:12
are
06:12
others
06:13
as
06:13
well
06:13
that
06:13
are
06:13
more
06:13
recent.
06:14
So
06:14
people
06:15
may
06:15
remember
06:15
Amy
06:16
Winehouse.
06:16
She
06:16
died
06:17
in
06:17
2011
06:18
at
06:18
the
06:18
age
06:18
of
06:18
27.
06:20
I
06:20
think
06:20
the
06:20
big
06:20
one
06:21
for
06:21
my
06:21
generation.
06:22
And
06:22
I
06:22
guess
06:22
that
06:22
would
06:22
be
06:23
your
06:23
generation
06:24
too
06:24
.
06:24
Jen
06:24
is
06:24
her
06:25
Cobain
06:25
who
06:25
died
06:26
in
06:26
1994
06:28
at
06:28
the
06:28
age
06:28
of
06:29
the
06:29
age
06:29
of
06:29
27.
06:30
So
06:30
we're
06:30
going
06:30
to
06:30
touch
06:31
on,
06:31
on
06:31
most
06:31
of
06:32
these
06:32
folks
06:32
and
06:33
just
06:33
kind
06:33
of
06:33
look
06:33
at
06:34
why
06:34
this
06:35
is,
06:35
I
06:35
mean,
06:35
is
06:36
it
06:36
just
06:36
kind
06:36
of
06:36
a
06:36
random
06:37
phenomenon
06:38
if
06:38
you
06:38
think
06:38
about
06:38
it,
06:39
most
06:39
of
06:39
these
06:39
people
06:40
lived
06:41
pretty
06:42
high-risk
06:42
lifestyles,
06:43
especially
06:43
the
06:43
rockers,
06:44
like
06:44
they
06:44
were
06:44
living
06:45
like
06:45
these
06:45
really
06:46
rock
06:46
and
06:46
roll
06:46
lifestyles.
06:47
Um,
06:47
there
06:47
was
06:47
a
06:47
lot
06:48
of
06:48
drug
06:48
and
06:48
alcohol
06:49
use.
06:50
And
06:50
so
06:50
often
06:51
these
06:51
people
06:51
met
06:51
their
06:51
ends
06:52
through
06:53
overdoses
06:54
or,
06:54
you
06:54
know,
06:54
through
06:55
kind
06:55
of
06:55
violent
06:56
or
06:56
dramatic
06:56
means
06:57
such
06:57
as
06:57
murder
06:57
or
06:57
suicide
06:59
or
06:59
just
06:59
really
07:00
weird
07:00
accidents.
07:01
But,
07:01
but
07:01
most
07:02
of
07:02
the
07:02
stuff
07:02
I'm
07:02
going
07:03
to
07:03
be
07:03
talking
07:03
about
07:03
has
07:03
to
07:04
do,
07:04
has
07:04
to
07:04
do
07:04
with,
07:05
you
07:05
know,
07:05
people
07:05
dying
07:06
from
07:06
drug
07:06
,
07:06
drugs,
07:07
and
07:07
alcohol.
07:08
So
07:08
the
07:08
first
07:08
wave
07:09
of
07:09
this
07:09
really
07:09
happened
07:10
between
07:11
1969
07:12
and
07:13
1971.
07:14
And
07:15
I
07:15
mentioned
07:15
Jimi
07:15
Hendrix
07:16
and
07:17
Janis
07:17
Joplin.
07:17
They
07:17
actually
07:18
died
07:18
within
07:18
about
07:18
a
07:19
month
07:19
of
07:19
each
07:19
other
07:20
in
07:20
1970.
07:21
And
07:21
then
07:21
Jim
07:22
Morrison
07:22
goes
07:22
the
07:22
following
07:23
year
07:23
in
07:23
1971.
07:25
So
07:25
I'm
07:26
just
07:26
thinking
07:26
about,
07:27
you
07:27
know,
07:27
what
07:27
it
07:27
would
07:27
have
07:27
been
07:27
like
07:28
to
07:28
be
07:28
living
07:29
and
07:30
old
07:30
enough
07:30
to
07:31
kind
07:31
of
07:31
be
07:31
aware
07:32
of
07:32
what
07:32
was
07:32
going
07:32
on.
07:33
It
07:33
must've
07:33
been
07:33
such
07:33
a
07:34
to
07:34
have
07:34
three
07:34
of
07:34
these
07:35
in
07:35
such
07:35
a
07:36
short
07:36
space
07:36
of
07:36
time.
07:36
Must've
07:37
been
07:37
really
07:38
head-turning,
07:39
you
07:39
know,
07:39
interestingly
07:40
it
07:40
wasn't
07:40
until
07:40
Kurt
07:41
Cobain's
07:41
death
07:41
in
07:41
1994,
07:42
that
07:42
the
07:43
idea
07:43
of
07:43
his
07:43
27
07:44
club
07:44
kind
07:45
of
07:45
began
07:45
to
07:45
congeal
07:46
when
07:46
people
07:46
thought
07:46
of
07:46
it
07:47
in
07:47
that
07:47
terms,
07:47
at
07:48
least
07:48
that
07:48
that's
07:48
what
07:48
I've
07:48
read.
07:49
There
07:49
was
07:50
an
07:50
interview
07:50
after
07:51
his
07:51
death
07:51
where
07:51
Kurt
07:51
Cobain's
07:52
mother
07:52
said,
07:53
and
07:53
this
07:53
is
07:53
a
07:53
quote
07:54
from
07:54
her
07:54
now
07:54
he's
07:54
gone
07:55
and
07:55
joined
07:55
a
07:55
stupid
07:56
club.
07:56
I
07:56
told
07:57
him
07:57
not
07:57
to
07:57
join
07:57
that
07:58
stupid
07:58
club.
07:59  Speaker 3
And
07:59
he
07:59
had
07:59
lifelong
08:00
issues
08:00
with
08:00
depression,
08:01
right?
08:01  Speaker 1
He
08:01
did.
08:02
I
08:02
think
08:02
that's
08:02
one
08:03
of
08:03
the
08:03
reasons
08:03
why
08:03
I
08:03
really
08:04
I've
08:04
always
08:04
liked
08:05
Kurt
08:05
Cobain
08:06
,
08:06
um,
08:06
and
08:06
why
08:06
his
08:06
death
08:07
kind
08:07
of
08:07
hit
08:07
me
08:07
because
08:08
I
08:08
can
08:08
relate
08:08
to
08:08
that.
08:09
And
08:09
I
08:10
mean,
08:10
I
08:10
think
08:10
he
08:10
was
08:10
always
08:10
a
08:10
troubled
08:11
soul,
08:11
but
08:12
fame,
08:12
I
08:13
really
08:13
think
08:13
fame
08:14
lit
08:14
everything
08:15
on
08:15
fire
08:15
for
08:15
him
08:16
in
08:16
a
08:16
way
08:16
that
08:16
was
08:16
not
08:17
healthy.
08:17
He
08:17
didn't,
08:18
he
08:18
didn't
08:18
do
08:18
what
08:18
with
08:19
fame.
08:19
I
08:19
mentioned
08:20
Amy
08:20
Winehouse
08:20
earlier,
08:21
you
08:21
know,
08:21
who
08:21
died
08:22
in
08:22
2011.
08:22
I
08:23
remember
08:23
that
08:23
really
08:23
clearly
08:24
too
08:24
.
08:24
And
08:24
I'm
08:24
embarrassed
08:25
to
08:25
say
08:25
like
08:26
with
08:26
Amy
08:26
Winehouse,
08:26
I
08:26
really
08:27
didn't
08:27
listen
08:27
to
08:27
her
08:27
music
08:28
until
08:28
after
08:28
she
08:28
died.
08:29
And
08:29
then
08:29
I
08:29
realized
08:30
like
08:30
what
08:30
a
08:30
great
08:30
talent
08:31
she
08:31
was.
08:31
I
08:31
really
08:31
liked
08:32
that
08:32
her
08:32
record
08:33
back
08:33
to
08:33
black.
08:33
And
08:33
I
08:34
think
08:34
she
08:34
only
08:34
hadn't
08:35
been
08:35
to
08:36
two
08:36
records
08:36
before
08:36
she
08:37
died,
08:37
but
08:37
I
08:37
could
08:37
be
08:37
wrong
08:38
about
08:38
that.
08:38
But
08:38
anyway,
08:39
Amy
08:39
had
08:39
said
08:40
,
08:40
um
08:40
,
08:40
she
08:40
had
08:40
expressed
08:41
a
08:41
fear
08:41
of
08:41
dying
08:42
at
08:42
27
08:42
as
08:43
well.
08:43
So
08:43
it's
08:43
just
08:44
that,
08:44
that
08:44
to
08:44
me
08:45
is
08:45
kind
08:45
of
08:45
eerie.
08:46  Speaker 3
And
08:46
as
08:46
you
08:46
were
08:46
saying
08:47
before,
08:47
it
08:47
started
08:47
with
08:48
Hendrix
08:49
and
08:50
when
08:50
I
08:50
was
08:50
doing
08:50
some
08:51
research
08:51
about
08:51
Hendrix,
08:52
I
08:52
don't
08:52
know
08:52
what
08:52
the
08:52
difference
08:53
between
08:53
an
08:53
instrumentalist
08:54
and
08:55
a
08:55
guitarist
08:56
is
08:56
instrumentalist,
08:57
is
08:57
that
08:57
when
08:58
you
08:58
can
08:58
play
08:58
a
08:58
variety
08:59
of
09:00
items
09:00
,
09:00  Speaker 1
I
09:00
was
09:01
just
09:01
going
09:01
to
09:01
say,
09:01
I
09:01
think
09:02
an
09:02
instrumentalist
09:02
probably
09:03
refers
09:03
to
09:03
like,
09:04
multi-instrumentalist
09:05
he
09:05
knew
09:05
that
09:05
he
09:05
could
09:06
play
09:06
more
09:06
than
09:07
more
09:07
than
09:07
one
09:07
thing.
09:08
And
09:08
I
09:08
didn't
09:09
know
09:09
that
09:09
about,
09:09
about
09:10
hundreds
09:10
.
09:11  Speaker 3
I
09:11
didn't
09:11
know
09:11
that
09:12
either.
09:12
And
09:13
there
09:13
was
09:13
a
09:13
quote
09:13
from
09:13
rock
09:14
and
09:14
roll
09:14
hall
09:14
of
09:14
fame
09:14
saying
09:15
that
09:15
he
09:15
was
09:15
the
09:16
greatest
09:17
instrumentalist
09:17
in
09:17
the
09:17
history
09:18
of
09:18
rock
09:18
music.
09:19
So,
09:19
wow.
09:20
Obviously
09:20
he
09:20
was
09:20
a
09:20
musical
09:21
genius.
09:22  Speaker 1
I
09:22
think
09:22
he
09:22
was
09:22
probably
09:23
a
09:23
guitar
09:23
virtuoso
09:24
for
09:24
sure,
09:25  Speaker 3
Along
09:25
with
09:25
like
09:25
some
09:26
of
09:26
the
09:26
other.
09:27
And
09:27
I
09:27
know
09:27
you're
09:27
going
09:27
to
09:27
talk
09:28
more
09:28
about
09:28
Cobain
09:29
and
09:29
Anne
09:29
,
09:29
I'm
09:30
going
09:30
to
09:30
touch
09:30
on
09:30
some
09:30
other
09:30
people
09:31
too,
09:31
but
09:31
you
09:31
know,
09:32
there's
09:32
always
09:32
this
09:32
mystery
09:33
or
09:33
lore
09:34
surrounding
09:35
their
09:35
deaths.
09:35
And
09:36
with
09:37
Hendrix
09:37
,
09:37
he
09:38
,
09:38
um,
09:39
Hendrix
09:39
died
09:39
in
09:39
Kensington,
09:40
London
09:40
on
09:41
September
09:43
18th,
09:43
1970.
09:43
And
09:43
so
09:43
with
09:43
like
09:44
Cobain
09:45
and
09:45
also
09:46
David
09:47
Jones,
09:47
he's
09:47
a
09:47
member
09:48
of
09:48
the
09:48
27
09:49
club
09:49
too
09:49
.
09:50
There's
09:50
been
09:50
speculation
09:51
that,
09:51
that
09:52
they
09:52
really
09:52
didn't
09:53
either
09:53
commit
09:53
suicide.
09:54
Hendrix
09:54
definitely
09:55
did
09:55
not
09:55
commit
09:55
suicide,
09:56
but
09:56
you
09:56
know,
09:56
whether
09:57
or
09:57
not
09:57
someone
09:58
else
09:58
contributed
09:58
to
09:59
their
09:59
death
09:59
or
10:00
caused
10:00
their
10:00
actual
10:00
death
10:01
deaths
10:01
.
10:02
The
10:02
interesting
10:02
thing
10:02
about
10:03
Hendrix
10:04
and
10:04
the
10:04
day
10:04
that
10:05
he
10:05
died,
10:06
once
10:06
it
10:06
really
10:06
a
10:06
lot
10:06
of
10:06
the
10:06
stuff
10:07
that
10:07
ensued
10:07
later,
10:08
the
10:08
woman
10:08
that
10:08
was
10:08
with
10:09
him
10:09
when
10:09
he
10:09
died,
10:10
her
10:10
name
10:10
was
10:10
Monica
10:11
Dan
10:11
,
10:11
and
10:12
she
10:12
was
10:13
the
10:13
person
10:13
who
10:13
was
10:13
with
10:14
him
10:14
during
10:14
his
10:14
final
10:15
hours
10:15
.
10:15  Speaker 1
Was
10:16
she
10:16
British?
10:16
Like,
10:17
what
10:17
was
10:17
her
10:17
nationality?
10:18
I'm
10:18
just
10:18
curious.
10:19  Speaker 3
She
10:19
was
10:19
German.
10:20
And
10:20
she
10:20
also
10:21
had
10:21
been
10:21
a
10:21
competitive
10:22
ice
10:22
skater
10:23
and
10:23
her
10:24
account
10:24
of
10:25
what
10:25
happened
10:25
that
10:26
night
10:26
or
10:26
the
10:26
next
10:26
day
10:27
evidently
10:27
has
10:27
changed
10:28
a
10:28
lot
10:28
throughout
10:29
the
10:29
years.
10:29
She
10:30
told
10:30
people
10:30
that
10:31
he
10:31
was
10:31
still
10:32
alive
10:32
when
10:32
he
10:32
went
10:32
into
10:33
the
10:33
,
10:33
the
10:33
ambulance
10:34
and
10:34
other
10:34
people
10:35
have
10:35
disputed
10:35
that
10:36
saying
10:36
that
10:36
he
10:36
wasn't
10:37
alive.
10:37
He
10:37
was,
10:38
you
10:38
know,
10:38
he
10:38
was
10:38
already
10:39
dead
10:39
at
10:39
that
10:39
point,
10:40
but
10:40
her
10:40
story
10:41
had
10:41
changed
10:41
a
10:41
lot
10:42
throughout
10:42
the
10:42
years,
10:43
but
10:43
basically
10:43
he
10:44
died
10:44
of
10:44
an
10:44
overdose
10:45
of
10:46
barbiturates
10:47
and
10:47
red
10:48
wine.
10:48  Speaker 1
Really?
10:49
Yeah.
10:49
There's
10:50
different
10:50
.
10:50
Oh
10:50
,
10:50
you
10:50
could
10:50
overdo
10:51
it
10:51
on
10:51
red
10:51
wine
10:52
other
10:52
than
10:52
like
10:52
having
10:52
a
10:53
hangover
10:53
or
10:53
something
10:53
like
10:54
that.
10:54  Speaker 3
Yeah.
10:55
Evidently,
10:55
well,
10:55
I
10:55
guess,
10:56
you
10:56
know,
10:56
too
10:56
much
10:56
of
10:56
anything
10:57
will
10:57
kill
10:57
you,
10:57
but
10:58
evidently
10:58
there
10:58
was
10:59
a
10:59
,
10:59
he
10:59
had
10:59
a
10:59
ton
11:00
of
11:00
red
11:00
wine
11:01
in
11:01
his
11:02
lungs
11:02
and
11:02
his
11:02
hair
11:03
on
11:03
his
11:03
shirt.
11:04
Jesus.
11:05
And
11:05
so
11:05
he
11:05
aspirated
11:06
on,
11:07
you
11:07
know,
11:07
on
11:07
his
11:07
own
11:08
vomit.
11:08
That's
11:09
horrible.
11:09  Speaker 1
Well
11:09
,
11:09
that
11:10
must
11:10
have
11:10
been
11:10
really,
11:10
I
11:11
don't
11:11
mean
11:11
to
11:11
be
11:11
really
11:11
crass,
11:12
but
11:12
very
11:13
dramatic
11:14
to
11:14
see,
11:15
I
11:15
mean,
11:15
red
11:15
wine,
11:15
it's
11:16
probably
11:16
looking
11:16
like
11:16
blood
11:17
and
11:18
yeah,
11:18  Speaker 3
I
11:18
wouldn't
11:18
expect
11:19
red
11:19
wine
11:20
would
11:20
be
11:20
one
11:21
of
11:21
the
11:21
ways
11:21
that
11:21
he
11:21
would
11:21
go,
11:22
like
11:22
I
11:22
would
11:22
think
11:23  Speaker 1
Yeah,
11:23
like
11:24
vodka
11:24
or
11:24
something.
11:25  Speaker 3
Yeah.
11:25
Something
11:26
hard.
11:26
Like
11:26
that's
11:26
more
11:27
rock
11:27
and
11:27
roll
11:27
than,
11:28
than
11:28
red
11:28
wine.
11:29
Yeah.
11:29
In
11:30
my
11:30
opinion.
11:31
Yeah
11:31
.
11:31  Speaker 1
Maybe
11:31
he
11:31
just
11:31
had
11:32
a
11:32
pallet
11:32
for
11:33
a
11:33
red
11:33
wine,
11:33
but
11:33
that's
11:34
that
11:34
?
11:34
And
11:34
so
11:34
he
11:34
was
11:34
mixing
11:35
red
11:35
wine
11:35
with
11:35
what
11:36
was
11:36
the
11:36
other
11:36
thing
11:37
though
11:37
with
11:37
barbiturates
11:38
barbiturates.
11:39
Okay.
11:39
In
11:39
barbiturates,
11:40
they
11:40
keep
11:41
you
11:41
are
11:41
those,
11:42
I
11:42
should
11:42
know
11:42
this,
11:42
this
11:43
is
11:43
embarrassing,
11:43
but
11:43
are
11:44
they
11:44
uppers
11:44
or
11:44
downers?
11:45
They're
11:45
downers.
11:46  Speaker 3
Right
11:46
.
11:46
They're
11:46
downers.
11:47
So
11:47
they
11:47
suppress
11:48
your
11:49  Speaker 1
You're
11:49
breathing.
11:49
Okay.
11:50
Given
11:50
my
11:50
line
11:51
of
11:51
work,
11:51
I
11:51
should
11:52
know
11:52
my
11:52
categories,
11:53
drugs,
11:53
but
11:53
it's
11:53
been
11:54
a
11:54
while
11:54
since
11:54
the
11:54
licensing
11:55
exam.
11:55
So,
11:57  Speaker 3
So
11:58
he
11:58
took
11:58
a
11:58
ton
11:59
of
11:59
barbiturates
12:00
and
12:01
a
12:01
lot
12:02
of
12:02
red
12:02
wine