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episode 16: Special Guest Episode: Sins of the Son - The Heinous Crimes of Hadden Clark [transcript]


Are certain people simply born evil or does life sometimes have a way of warping a good soul into something unrecognizably horrible? Tonight’s story of one deranged killer, Hadden Clark, will have you asking that very question.

We’ll be joined by a special guest who worked with Clark as a corrections officer during the early days of Clark’s incarceration. To protect our guest’s identity, we’ll be referring to him as “Jim” throughout tonight’s episode. 

Have a topic suggestion? Email us at beneathyourbedpod@gmail.com


Forensic Files. “Dressed to Kill.” Season 7, Episode 25. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2610710/

 

Havill, Adrian. “Born Evil: A True Story of Cannibalism and Serial Murder.” December 9, 2011. https://www.amazon.com/Born-Evil-Cannibalism-Serial-Murder/dp/0312978901

 

Jeffrey, Karen. “Hadden Clark returned to Cape to search for graves.” Cape Code Times. January 5, 2011. 

https://www.capecodtimes.com/article/20000410/news01/304109982

 

Jennings, Veronica T. “Murder Suspect's 'Lifestyle is Getting Even.'” Washington Post. Sunday, November 15, 1992

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/library/dorr/dorr111592.htm

 

Murderpedia entry on Hadden Clark (this site contained multiple articles on him; do you think I need to list them individually?) www.murderpedia.org

 

Shaver, Katherine and Duggan, Paul. “Murder Charge Is Filed In '86 Case of Missing Girl Md. Suspect in Prison for '92 Slaying.” Washington Post.  September 24, 1998. 

 

Wilkinson, Alex.  “A Hole In The Ground.” New Yorker. September 2020. http://reprints.longform.org/a-hole-in-the-ground

 

Wikipedia article on Hadden Clark. www.wikipedia.org

 


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 2021-01-20  1h12m
 
 
00:00  Speaker 1
Are
00:00
certain
00:01
people
00:01
born
00:02
evil
00:02
or
00:02
does
00:03
life
00:03
sometimes
00:03
have
00:03
a
00:03
way
00:04
of
00:04
warping
00:04
a
00:04
good
00:05
soul
00:05
into
00:05
something
00:06
unrecognizably
00:07
horrible.
00:08
Tonight's
00:08
story
00:08
of
00:08
one
00:09
deranged
00:09
killer
00:10
Hadden
00:10
.
00:10
Clark.
00:10
We'll
00:10
have
00:11
you
00:11
asking
00:11
that
00:11
very
00:12
question.
00:12
We'll
00:13
be
00:13
joined
00:13
by
00:13
a
00:13
special
00:14
guest
00:14
who
00:14
worked
00:15
with
00:15
Clark
00:15
as
00:15
a
00:15
corrections
00:16
officer
00:16
during
00:16
the
00:17
early
00:17
days
00:17
of
00:17
Clark's
00:18
incarceration
00:19
to
00:19
protect
00:19
our
00:20
guests
00:20
identity.
00:21
We'll
00:21
be
00:21
referring
00:22
to
00:22
him
00:22
as
00:22
Jim
00:22
throughout
00:23
tonight's
00:23
show
00:33
Jen
00:33
,
00:33
Hey
00:33
Jen,
00:33
how
00:34
are
00:34
you
00:34
?
00:34
I'm
00:34
doing
00:35
really
00:35
well
00:35
tonight.
00:36
How
00:36
are
00:36
you?
00:37
I'm
00:37
doing
00:37
great.
00:38
I'm
00:38
really
00:38
excited
00:39
about
00:39
tonight's
00:39
episode.
00:40
I
00:40
am
00:40
the
00:40
first
00:41
guest.
00:41
I
00:41
know
00:42
the
00:42
fact
00:42
that
00:42
we
00:42
have
00:43
our
00:43
first
00:43
guest
00:43
is
00:43
so
00:44
exciting.
00:44
Maybe
00:44
we're
00:45
actually
00:45
becoming
00:45
legitimate.
00:46
I
00:46
feel
00:46
like
00:47
that.
00:47
So,
00:47
so
00:48
yeah.
00:48
So
00:48
we
00:48
want
00:48
to
00:48
introduce
00:49
our
00:49
guests.
00:50
Whose
00:50
name
00:50
is
00:50
Jim
00:51
and
00:51
Jim?
00:52
Um,
00:52
we're
00:52
so
00:52
excited
00:53
to
00:53
have
00:53
you
00:53
here
00:53
this
00:53
evening.
00:54  Speaker 2
Well,
00:54
thank
00:54
you
00:55
for
00:55
having
00:55
me.
00:55
I
00:55
don't
00:55
know
00:56
how
00:56
legitimate
00:57
I'm
00:57
going
00:57
to
00:57
make
00:57
you,
00:57
but
00:58
we'll
00:58
give
00:58
it
00:58
a
00:58
shot.
00:59  Speaker 1
Trust
01:00
me
01:00
anything,
01:01
any
01:01
little
01:01
tiny
01:02
bit
01:02
of
01:02
legitimacy.
01:03
It's
01:03
going
01:03
to
01:03
be
01:03
more
01:03
than
01:03
what
01:03
we
01:04
already
01:04
have.
01:04
So,
01:05
so
01:06
we're
01:06
,
01:06
we're
01:06
just
01:06
excited.
01:06
You're
01:06
here.
01:07
And
01:07
I'm
01:08
just
01:08
going
01:08
to
01:08
go
01:08
ahead
01:08
and
01:08
talk
01:08
a
01:08
bit
01:09
about
01:09
what
01:09
we'll
01:09
be
01:10
discussing
01:10
this
01:10
evening,
01:11
and
01:11
then
01:11
we'll,
01:12
we'll
01:12
talk
01:12
about
01:12
drinks
01:12
and
01:12
all
01:13
of
01:13
that.
01:13
But
01:14
so
01:14
the
01:14
reason
01:15
we
01:15
,
01:15
we
01:15
decided
01:15
to
01:15
invite
01:16
Jim
01:16
is
01:16
because
01:17
he
01:17
has
01:17
some
01:18
really
01:18
up
01:19
close
01:19
and
01:19
personal
01:20
interaction
01:21
with
01:21
a
01:21
really,
01:23
really
01:23
scary
01:23
figure.
01:24
So
01:24
we're
01:24
going
01:24
to
01:24
be
01:25
discussing
01:25
the
01:25
life
01:26
and
01:26
crimes
01:26
of
01:27
Hadden
01:27
Clark,
01:28
who
01:28
may
01:28
or
01:29
may
01:29
not
01:29
be
01:29
a
01:29
serial
01:29
killer,
01:30
depending
01:30
on
01:31
what
01:31
evidence
01:32
you
01:32
want
01:32
to
01:32
permit.
01:33
And
01:33
we'll
01:33
talk
01:33
more
01:33
about
01:34
that
01:34
later,
01:34
but
01:34
he
01:34
definitely
01:35
killed
01:35
two
01:36
people
01:36
in
01:37
a
01:37
really,
01:37
really
01:37
horrible
01:38
way,
01:38
a
01:38
young
01:38
woman
01:39
and
01:39
a
01:39
young
01:39
girl
01:40
on
01:40
really,
01:41
really
01:41
awful
01:42
crimes.
01:42
So
01:43
Jim
01:43
actually
01:43
worked
01:44
with
01:44
Hatton
01:44
at
01:45
the
01:45
Montgomery
01:45
County
01:46
correctional
01:46
facility
01:47
in
01:47
Rockville,
01:48
Maryland.
01:49
And
01:49
so
01:49
has
01:50
really
01:50
some
01:50
interesting
01:51
insights,
01:51
just
01:52
I
01:52
think
01:52
working
01:52
in,
01:53
you
01:53
know
01:53
,
01:53
corrections
01:53
in
01:54
general,
01:54
but
01:54
also
01:55
working
01:55
with
01:55
a
01:55
criminal,
01:56
the
01:56
likes
01:56
of
01:56
Hadden
01:57
Clark.
01:57
So
01:58
we're
01:58
going
01:58
to
01:58
talk
01:58
about
01:59
Hadden's
01:59
life
01:59
upbringing.
02:00
We're
02:00
going
02:00
to
02:00
talk
02:01
about
02:01
his
02:01
crimes
02:01
and
02:02
then
02:02
we're
02:02
going
02:02
to
02:02
really
02:02
delve
02:02
in
02:03
with
02:03
Jim
02:04
and
02:04
get
02:04
some
02:04
insight
02:05
into
02:05
what
02:05
it's
02:05
like
02:06
to
02:06
work
02:06
with
02:06
someone
02:07
like
02:07
that.
02:07
But
02:07
before
02:08
we
02:08
do
02:08
that,
02:08
we
02:09
want
02:09
to
02:09
talk
02:09
about
02:09
what
02:09
we're
02:09
drinking,
02:10
because
02:10
that's
02:11
really
02:11
important
02:11
to
02:11
us.
02:12
So
02:12
Jen,
02:13
let's
02:13
start
02:13
with
02:13
you.
02:14
What
02:14
are
02:14
you
02:14
drinking?
02:15
I
02:15
am
02:15
having
02:16
a
02:16
coconut
02:16
rum
02:17
punch.
02:17
Beautiful.
02:18
It's
02:18
such
02:18
a
02:18
pretty
02:19
color.
02:19
Thank
02:20
you.
02:20
It
02:20
calls
02:20
for
02:21
coconut
02:21
rum
02:21
.
02:22
It
02:22
also
02:22
has
02:23
pineapple
02:23
in
02:23
it.
02:24
It
02:24
has
02:24
OJ.
02:25
It
02:25
also
02:25
has
02:26
some
02:26
fruit
02:26
punch
02:26
as
02:27
well.
02:27
And
02:28
lemonade
02:28
forgot
02:29
about
02:29
the
02:29
lemon
02:29
rum.
02:30
Does
02:30
it
02:30
have
02:30
in
02:30
it
02:31
altogether
02:31
?
02:31
It
02:31
has
02:32
three
02:32
ounces
02:33
of
02:33
rum,
02:34
but
02:34
I
02:34
doubled
02:34
up.
02:35
So
02:36
Lord
02:36
have
02:36
mercy
02:37
because
02:38
I
02:38
was
02:38
going
02:38
to
02:38
say
02:38
that's
02:38
a
02:38
lot
02:39
of
02:39
mixer,
02:39
you
02:39
know?
02:39
So
02:40
I
02:40
thought,
02:40
well,
02:40
that's
02:40
more
02:41
honey,
02:41
that's
02:41
more
02:41
fruit
02:41
juice
02:42
than
02:42
drink
02:43
in
02:43
there.
02:43
But
02:43
I
02:44
guess
02:44
not
02:44
with
02:44
six
02:45
ounces
02:45
of
02:45
rum
02:46
in
02:46
lime
02:46
as
02:46
well.
02:47
Jim
02:47
,
02:47
what
02:47
are
02:47
you
02:47
drinking?
02:48
Cause
02:48
we
02:48
did
02:48
warn
02:48
you
02:48
that
02:49
you
02:49
needed
02:49
to
02:49
bring
02:49
something
02:50
to
02:50
drink.
02:51  Speaker 2
Yes
02:51
,
02:51
I
02:51
had
02:51
nothing.
02:51
So
02:52
bougie
02:52
or
02:52
fancy
02:53
is
02:53
what
02:53
you
02:53
guys
02:53
usually
02:54
do.
02:54
I
02:54
am
02:54
drinking
02:55
brew
02:56
from
02:57
Dogfish
02:57
.
02:58  Speaker 1
Ooh
02:58
,
02:58
nice.
02:59
We
02:59
were
02:59
just
03:00
talking
03:00
about
03:00
Dogfish
03:01
had
03:01
the
03:01
other
03:01
day
03:03
brew.
03:03
That
03:03
sounds
03:04
fun.
03:04
What
03:04
is
03:04
it?
03:04
Did
03:05
you
03:05
say
03:05
it's
03:05
an
03:05
IPA
03:06
or
03:06  Speaker 3
No,
03:07
it's
03:07
a
03:07
,
03:08
um
03:08
,
03:08
it's
03:08
kind
03:08
of
03:08
a
03:08
mixture
03:09
of
03:09
a
03:09
need
03:10
and
03:10
a
03:10
wood
03:10
barrel
03:11
aged
03:12
beer
03:13
kind
03:13
of
03:13
,
03:13
um,
03:14
it's
03:14
hard
03:14
to
03:14
describe
03:15
they
03:15
,
03:15
they
03:15
,
03:15
it
03:15
gets
03:16
its
03:16
name
03:16
from
03:16
the
03:16
miles
03:17
Davis
03:17
album
03:18
brew
03:18
and
03:18
you
03:19
know,
03:19
they
03:19
got
03:19
his
03:19
picture
03:19
on
03:19
the
03:20
label.
03:20  Speaker 1
Oh,
03:21
that's
03:21
so
03:21
cool.
03:22
If
03:22
they
03:23
come
03:23
in
03:23
like
03:23
these
03:23
really
03:24
large
03:24
bottles,
03:25
right
03:25
.
03:25
Just
03:25
for
03:26
a
03:26
special
03:26
occasion.
03:28  Speaker 3
That's
03:28
right.
03:29
And
03:29
it's
03:29
9%.
03:31
Wow.
03:31  Speaker 1
Wow.
03:32
Maybe
03:32
not
03:32
as
03:32
much
03:33
as
03:33
gen
03:33
six
03:34
shots
03:34
of
03:34
coconut
03:35
rums
03:35
.
03:36
It's
03:36
still
03:36
pretty
03:36
good.
03:37
We'll
03:38
see
03:38
how
03:38
bougie
03:38
I
03:39
am
03:39
by
03:39
the
03:39
end
03:39
of
03:39
this
03:39
episode,
03:40
something
03:41
tells
03:41
me
03:41
not
03:41
very
03:42
bougie
03:42
.
03:43
Jen
03:43
actually
03:44
got
03:44
me
03:44
for
03:44
Christmas.
03:45
A
03:45
bottle
03:45
of
03:46
God.
03:46
We
03:46
may
03:47
shoe
03:47
,
03:47
which
03:47
is
03:47
this
03:47
Japanese
03:48
plum
03:49
wine.
03:49
And
03:49
I
03:50
ha
03:50
I'm
03:50
just
03:50
telling
03:50
Jim
03:51
this.
03:51
I
03:51
know
03:51
I
03:51
told
03:51
you
03:51
this
03:51
last
03:52
time,
03:52
Jen,
03:52
but
03:53
,
03:53
um,
03:53
I
03:53
got
03:53
super
03:53
excited
03:54
cause
03:54
I
03:54
thought
03:54
it
03:54
was
03:54
a
03:55
hundred,
03:55
there
03:55
was
03:55
a
03:55
hundred
03:56
percent
03:56
on
03:56
the
03:56
bottle
03:57
and
03:57
I
03:57
was
03:57
like,
03:58
whew
03:58
,
03:58
this
03:58
is
03:59
going
03:59
to
03:59
be
03:59
great.
03:59
But
03:59
it
04:00
turns
04:00
out
04:00
it
04:00
was
04:00
just
04:00
14%
04:01
alcohol.
04:02
So
04:02
it
04:02
wasn't
04:02
like
04:03
pure
04:03
green
04:03
plum
04:03
line.
04:04
Anything
04:05  Speaker 3
That'd
04:05
be
04:05
pretty
04:05
rough.
04:06
Yeah.
04:06  Speaker 1
It's
04:06
probably
04:07
just
04:07
as
04:07
well
04:07
that
04:08
it
04:08
wasn't,
04:08
but
04:08
it
04:08
was
04:09
good.
04:09
I'm
04:09
actually
04:09
drinking.
04:11
Um
04:11
,
04:11
and
04:11
I'll
04:11
let
04:11
you
04:11
come
04:11
to
04:11
your
04:12
own
04:12
conclusions
04:12
about
04:12
why,
04:13
but
04:13
I
04:13
made
04:13
a
04:13
peach
04:14
martini
04:14
this
04:15
evening.
04:15
It
04:15
is,
04:16
I
04:16
used
04:17
two
04:17
ounces
04:18
of
04:18
vodka
04:18
about
04:19
an
04:19
ounce
04:19
of
04:19
sham,
04:20
bore
04:20
of
04:20
course,
04:21
peach
04:21
nectar,
04:22
I
04:22
think
04:22
two
04:22
ounces
04:23
of
04:23
that.
04:23
And
04:23
then
04:23
about
04:23
a
04:23
half
04:24
ounce
04:24
of
04:24
lime
04:24
juice
04:25
and
04:25
then
04:25
garnished
04:25
with
04:26
raspberries.
04:26
It's
04:26
really
04:27
good.
04:28
And
04:28
you're
04:28
on
04:28
your
04:28
second
04:28
,
04:28
second.
04:29
Yeah,
04:30
I
04:30
quadrupled
04:31
it.
04:31
In
04:31
fact,
04:32
like
04:32
I
04:32
made
04:32
so
04:32
much
04:33
that
04:33
it
04:33
was
04:33
overflowing
04:33
my
04:33
shaker,
04:34
so
04:34
I
04:34
probably
04:35
should
04:35
not
04:35
quite
04:36
try
04:36
quadrupling
04:36
in
04:36
the
04:36
future.
04:37
We'll
04:37
see
04:37
how
04:38
you
04:38  Speaker 3
Fare
04:38
tonight.
04:39
Jen's
04:39
level
04:39
yet.
04:40
Yeah
04:40
.
04:40
Jenny
04:40
,
04:40  Speaker 1
You
04:40
may
04:40
have
04:40
a
04:40
lot
04:41
of
04:41
editing
04:41
ahead
04:41
of
04:41
you
04:42
as
04:42
always
04:42
.
04:43
I'm
04:43
sure
04:43
I
04:43
will.
04:44
So
04:45
should
04:45
we
04:45
just
04:45
jump
04:45
in?
04:46
Cause
04:46
I
04:46
feel
04:46
like
04:46
we
04:46
have
04:47
a
04:47
lot
04:47
to
04:47
talk
04:47
about
04:48
tonight
04:48
and
04:48
I
04:48
want
04:48
to
04:48
make
04:48
sure
04:49
that
04:49
we
04:49
use
04:49
our
04:50
time.
04:50
Well,
04:50
since
04:50
we
04:51
have
04:51
Jim
04:51
with
04:51
us
04:52
and
04:52
he
04:52
make
04:52
us
04:52
sick
04:52
of
04:52
us
04:53
when
04:53
he
04:54
can
04:54
get
04:54
off
04:54
of
04:54
here
04:54
after,
04:55
after
04:55
too
04:55
long
04:56
and
04:56
he's
04:56
already
04:56
been
04:57
on
04:57
here
04:57
over
04:57
an
04:57
hour.
05:01
So
05:01
Jen,
05:01
I
05:01
think
05:02
you're
05:02
going
05:02
to
05:02
start
05:02
us
05:02
off,
05:03
right?
05:03
Yeah.
05:04
I'm
05:04
going
05:04
to
05:04
start
05:04
us
05:04
off.
05:05
I'm
05:05
just
05:05
going
05:05
to
05:05
talk
05:05
about,
05:06
and
05:06
Clark's
05:06
upbringing
05:07
his
05:07
family
05:08
because
05:08
I
05:08
think
05:09
it's,
05:09
he
05:09
has
05:10
a
05:10
really
05:10
complicated
05:11
upbringing
05:11
and
05:12
a
05:12
really
05:12
interesting
05:12
one
05:13
at
05:13
the
05:13
same
05:13
time
05:14
and
05:14
not
05:15
in
05:15
a
05:15
good
05:15
sort
05:15
of
05:15
way.
05:16
So
05:17
hadn't
05:17
his
05:17
full
05:17
name
05:18
is
05:18
Hadden
05:18
Irving
05:18
Clark.
05:19
And
05:19
he
05:19
was
05:19
born
05:20
on
05:20
July
05:22
31st,
05:22
1952
05:22
in
05:23
Troy
05:23
New
05:23
York.
05:23
And
05:24
he
05:24
was
05:24
the
05:24
second
05:24
of
05:24
four
05:25
children.
05:26
And
05:26
I
05:26
think
05:26
it's
05:26
important
05:27
too
05:27
,
05:27
to
05:27
just
05:27
kind
05:27
of
05:27
go
05:27
on
05:28
the
05:28
birth
05:28
order
05:28
of
05:29
his
05:29
siblings
05:29
because
05:30
you
05:30
know,
05:30
they're
05:30
important
05:31
part
05:31
of
05:31
the
05:31
story
05:31
as
05:31
well.
05:32
His
05:32
oldest
05:33
brother
05:33
was
05:33
Bradfield
05:35
Hadden
05:35
Clark,
05:35
and
05:36
he
05:36
was
05:36
born
05:36
in
05:36
1951.
05:38
And
05:38
then
05:38
the
05:38
head
05:38
and
05:38
Clark
05:39
we're
05:39
talking
05:39
about
05:39
tonight
05:40
had
05:40
an
05:40
Irving
05:40
Clark.
05:41
He
05:41
was
05:41
born,
05:42
as
05:42
I
05:42
said,
05:42
July
05:44
31st,
05:44
1952.
05:44
Then
05:45
there
05:45
was
05:46
the
05:46
birth
05:46
of
05:46
his
05:46
brother
05:47
Jeffrey
05:47
or
05:47
I
05:47
guess,
05:48
would
05:48
it
05:48
be
05:49
Jeffrey
05:49
or
05:49
Jeff
05:49
Jeffrey?
05:50
We
05:50
have
05:50
a
05:50
friend
05:51
who
05:51
spells
05:51
her
05:52
kid's
05:52
name
05:52
like
05:52
that.
05:53
And
05:53
it's
05:53
just
05:54
Jeffrey
05:54
it's
05:54
G
05:55
E
05:55
O
05:55
F
05:55
F
05:55
R
05:56
E
05:56
Y.
05:57
And
05:57
he
05:57
was
05:57
born
05:57
in
05:57
1955
05:58  Speaker 4
And
05:59
then
05:59
the
05:59
youngest
06:00
is
06:01
Alison
06:01
Clark
06:01
and
06:01
she
06:02
was
06:02
born
06:02
in
06:02
1959.
06:04
They
06:04
moved
06:05
a
06:05
lot
06:06
when
06:06
they
06:06
were
06:06
young,
06:07
they
06:07
moved
06:07
up
06:07
to
06:07
like
06:08
two
06:08
times
06:08
a
06:08
year
06:09
and
06:10
the
06:10
oldest
06:10
brother
06:10
Bradfield,
06:11
he
06:11
also,
06:12
he,
06:12
all
06:13
the
06:13
children
06:13
have
06:13
problems,
06:14
but
06:14
Bradfield
06:14
had
06:14
a
06:15
real
06:15
bad
06:15
or
06:15
had
06:16
a
06:16
real
06:16
bad
06:16
problem
06:17
with
06:17
his
06:17
temper.
06:18
He
06:18
angered
06:18
easily.
06:19
He
06:19
would
06:19
lash
06:19
out,
06:20
but
06:20
he
06:21
was
06:21
considered,
06:22
he
06:22
was
06:22
considered
06:22
very
06:23
successful
06:23
at
06:23
least
06:23
in
06:24
the
06:24
beginning.
06:24
So
06:25
once
06:25
they
06:25
started
06:26
to
06:26
become
06:26
a
06:26
little
06:26
bit
06:26
more
06:26
settled,
06:27
the
06:28
mom
06:29
Flavio
06:29
is
06:29
her
06:29
name.
06:30
She
06:30
started
06:30
to
06:31
suspect
06:31
that
06:32
her
06:32
kids
06:32
were
06:32
troubled
06:33
one
06:34
as
06:34
I
06:34
was
06:34
talking
06:34
earlier
06:35
with,
06:35
with
06:36
,
06:36
uh,
06:36
Bradfield
06:37
angry
06:37
and
06:37
easily
06:38
and
06:38
lashing
06:39
out,
06:39
especially
06:40
with
06:41
hadn't
06:41
,
06:41
he
06:42
had
06:42
a
06:42
lot
06:42
of
06:42
problems,
06:43
like
06:44
problems
06:44
with
06:44
balance
06:45
and
06:45
he
06:45
would
06:46
trip
06:46
very
06:46
easily
06:47
and
06:48
she
06:48
ended
06:49
up
06:49
taking
06:49
him
06:50
to
06:50
a
06:50
number
06:51
of
06:51
specialists
06:52
and
06:52
he
06:52
was
06:52
so
06:53
clumsy
06:53
or
06:54
he
06:54
tripped
06:54
so
06:54
easily.
06:55
And
06:55
so
06:55
frequently
06:56
that
06:57
as
06:57
a
06:57
small
06:57
child,
06:58
his
06:58
mom's,
06:59
his
06:59
mom
07:00
Flavio's
07:01
solution
07:01
to
07:01
this
07:01
was
07:02
to
07:02
put
07:03
padded
07:03
tape
07:03
around
07:03
his
07:04
head.
07:04
So
07:05
he
07:05
wouldn't
07:05
get,
07:05
yeah,
07:06
so
07:06
he
07:06
wouldn't
07:06
get
07:06
a
07:06
concussion.
07:07  Speaker 1
I
07:07
wonder
07:08
if
07:08
that
07:08
was
07:08
embarrassing
07:09
for
07:09
him
07:09
like
07:09
with
07:10
other
07:10
kids
07:11
or
07:11
maybe
07:11
he
07:11
was
07:11
too
07:11
young
07:11
to
07:12
really
07:12
care.
07:13  Speaker 4
I
07:13
would
07:13
venture
07:13
to
07:13
say
07:13
that
07:14
perhaps
07:15
it
07:15
was
07:15
embarrassing.
07:19
He
07:19
was
07:19
probably
07:19
too
07:19
young
07:20
at
07:20
that
07:20
time.
07:21
So
07:21
when
07:21
he
07:21
was
07:21
four,
07:22
she
07:22
sent
07:22
him
07:23
to
07:23
this
07:23
,
07:24
um,
07:24
yells
07:24
study
07:25
center
07:26
where
07:26
he
07:26
saw
07:26
doctors
07:27
and
07:28
different
07:28
specialists
07:29
and
07:29
they
07:29
determined
07:29
that
07:30
they
07:30
said
07:30
that
07:30
he
07:30
had
07:31
cerebral
07:32
palsy
07:32
and
07:32
some
07:33
mild
07:33
brain
07:33
damage
07:34
and
07:35
kids
07:35
were
07:35
afraid
07:36
of
07:36
him
07:36
because
07:37
not
07:37
only
07:37
would
07:38
he
07:38
lash
07:38
out
07:39
like
07:39
his
07:39
brother,
07:39
he
07:39
would
07:39
get
07:40
really
07:40
angry
07:40
lash
07:41
out.
07:41
He
07:41
did
07:41
it
07:41
far
07:41
more
07:42
often,
07:42
but
07:43
kids
07:43
were
07:43
afraid
07:43
of
07:43
him
07:44
because
07:44
of
07:44
that.
07:44
So
07:44
they
07:44
didn't
07:45
want
07:45
to
07:45
play
07:45
with
07:45
him
07:45
because
07:46
he
07:46
would
07:46
get
07:46
mad.
07:47
He
07:47
would
07:47
physically
07:48
try
07:48
to
07:48
hurt
07:49
them
07:49
or
07:49
sulk
07:50
when
07:50
he
07:50
didn't
07:50
get
07:50
his
07:50
way.
07:51
And
07:51
they
07:51
were
07:51
just,
07:52
they
07:52
were
07:52
really
07:52
scared.
07:53
So
07:53
he
07:53
didn't
07:53
really
07:54
have
07:54
anybody
07:54
to,
07:55
to
07:55
play
07:55
with.
07:56
There
07:56
was
07:56
one
07:56
family
07:56
in
07:57
particular
07:57
that
07:58
the
07:58
Clarks
07:58
would
07:58
get
07:58
together
07:59
with
07:59
and
07:59
I
07:59
think
07:59
have
07:59
dinner
08:00
and
08:00
that
08:00
sort
08:00
of
08:00
thing.
08:01
But
08:01
I
08:01
think
08:01
due
08:02
to
08:02
his
08:02
behavior
08:03
and
08:03
the
08:04
family
08:04
was
08:04
just
08:04
kind
08:04
of
08:04
strange
08:05
in
08:05
general,
08:06
that
08:06
particular
08:06
family
08:07
kind
08:07
of
08:07
started
08:07
to
08:07
distance
08:08
themselves
08:08
from,
08:09  Speaker 1
From
08:09
the
08:09
Clarks
08:09
as
08:09
well
08:10
and
08:10
really
08:10
lonely
08:10
for
08:10
them.
08:11  Speaker 4
Oh,
08:11
it
08:11
does.
08:12
I
08:12
mean,
08:12
for
08:13
all
08:13
of
08:13
them,
08:13
it
08:13
sounds
08:13
like
08:13
it
08:13
was
08:14
a
08:14
terrible
08:14
upbringing.
08:15
So
08:15
when
08:16
Hadden
08:16
,
08:16
as
08:16
he
08:16
got
08:16
older,
08:17
the
08:17
older
08:18
tougher
08:18
kids
08:18
would
08:19
make
08:19
fun
08:20
of
08:20
him
08:20
and
08:20
torment
08:20
him
08:21
because
08:21
they
08:21
weren't
08:21
afraid
08:21
of
08:22
him.
08:22
He,
08:22
the
08:22
way
08:23
he
08:23
would
08:23
get
08:23
his
08:23
revenge
08:24
is
08:24
that
08:24
he
08:25
would
08:25
kidnap
08:25
their
08:25
pets
08:26
and
08:27
then
08:27
he
08:27
would
08:27
kill
08:27
them
08:28
and
08:28
leave
08:28
them
08:28
on
08:29
the
08:29
porch
08:30
of
08:30
these
08:30
people
08:30
that
08:30
in
08:31
his
08:31
mind
08:31
had
08:31  Speaker 1
Wronged
08:31
him.
08:32
They
08:32
were
08:32
cats
08:33
and
08:33
full
08:33
up
08:33
in
08:33
this
08:34
John
08:34  Speaker 4
Or
08:34
there
08:34
were
08:34
all
08:34
sorts
08:35
of
08:35
animals,
08:35
I
08:35
think,
08:36
mostly
08:36
cats
08:36
and
08:37
dogs,
08:37
but
08:38
he
08:38
also
08:39
evidently
08:39
the
08:39
father
08:40
and
08:40
his
08:40
name
08:41
is
08:41
also
08:42
hadn't
08:42
as
08:42
well.
08:42
The
08:42
father
08:43
would
08:43
take
08:43
Bradfield
08:44
hunting
08:44
with
08:44
him
08:45
or
08:45
Brad
08:45
hunting
08:45
with
08:46
him,
08:46
but
08:46
he
08:46
wouldn't
08:46
take
08:47
Hadden
08:47
.
08:47
The
08:47
only
08:47
thing
08:47
was
08:48
a
08:48
little
08:48
unclear
08:48
is
08:48
that
08:49
it
08:49
looked
08:49
like
08:50
that
08:50
they
08:50
not
08:50
only
08:51
hunted
08:51
with
08:52
Ben
08:52
only
08:52
hunted
08:52
with
08:53
guns,
08:53
but
08:53
I
08:53
think
08:54
they
08:54
did
08:54
some
08:54
trapping
08:55
as
08:55
well.
08:55
Well
08:55
,
08:55
hadn't
08:56
learned
08:56
to
08:56
trap,
08:57
so
08:57
I
08:57
don't
08:57
know
08:57
if
08:57
he
08:57
did
08:57
that
08:58
on
08:58
his
08:58
own
08:58
or
08:59
his
08:59
father
08:59
wouldn't
08:59
take
09:00
them
09:00
if
09:00
they
09:00
were
09:00
just
09:01
using
09:01
guns,
09:02
but
09:02
would
09:02
allow
09:03
him
09:03
to
09:03
go
09:03
if
09:03
they
09:03
were
09:04
just
09:04
setting
09:04
traps
09:04
or
09:05
hadn't
09:05
just
09:06
learned
09:06
how
09:06
to
09:06
do
09:06
this
09:06
on
09:07
his
09:07
own.
09:07
So
09:08
he
09:08
learned
09:08
to
09:08
trap
09:08
animals
09:09
and
09:10
he
09:10
would
09:10
capture
09:10
quite
09:11
a
09:11
few
09:11
like
09:11
mostly
09:12
squirrels
09:12
and
09:12
raccoons
09:13
and
09:13
that
09:13
sort
09:13
of
09:13
thing.
09:14
But
09:15
I
09:15
got
09:15
most
09:16
of
09:16
the
09:16
information
09:17
on,
09:18
and
09:18
Clark's
09:19
upbringing
09:19
from
09:20
this
09:20
book
09:20
called
09:20
born
09:20
evil,
09:21
true
09:21
story
09:21
of
09:21
cannibalism
09:22
and
09:22
serial
09:23
murder
09:23
by
09:23
Adrian
09:24
Havel.
09:24
And
09:24
it
09:25
was
09:25
published
09:25
in
09:25
2001.
09:26
And
09:26
this
09:26
book
09:26
provided
09:27
the
09:27
most
09:27
information
09:28
that
09:28
I
09:28
could
09:28
find
09:28
about
09:29
his
09:29
upbringing.
09:29
Cause
09:29
it's
09:29
kind
09:30
of
09:30
limited.
09:30
I
09:30
mean,
09:30
you
09:30
see
09:31
some
09:31
things
09:31
here
09:31
and
09:32
there,
09:32
but
09:32
you
09:32
really
09:32
don't
09:32
know
09:33
like
09:33
what
09:33
is
09:33
really
09:34
reliable
09:34
and
09:34
what
09:34
isn't,
09:35
what
09:35
is
09:35
just
09:36
speculation
09:36
or
09:37
rumor
09:37
versus,
09:38
you
09:38
know
09:38
,
09:38
actually
09:39
having
09:39
interviewed
09:39
family
09:40
members
09:40
and
09:40
other
09:40
people.
09:41
So
09:41
I
09:41
think
09:42
this
09:42
book
09:42
is
09:42
probably
09:43
the
09:43
most
09:43
solid
09:44
source
09:44
for,
09:45
for
09:45
his
09:45
upbringing.
09:46
So
09:46
anyway,
09:46
he
09:47
would
09:47
trap
09:47
these
09:47
animals
09:48
and
09:48
according
09:48
to
09:48
the
09:48
book,
09:48
they
09:49
had
09:49
quote
09:49
a
09:49
high
09:50
mortality
09:50
rate
09:51
and
09:52
I
09:52
know
09:52
it
09:52
was
09:53
like,
09:53
Oh
09:53
my
09:53
God.
09:54
So
09:54
he
09:54
would
09:54
keep
09:54
them
09:55
for
09:55
a
09:55
while.
09:55
He
09:56
would
09:56
keep
09:56
them
09:56
up
09:56
up
09:57
until
09:57
a
09:57
month
09:58
at
09:58
the
09:58
longest,
09:59
but
09:59
he
09:59
would
10:00
almost
10:00
always
10:00
kill
10:00
them
10:01
and
10:01
dissect
10:01
them.
10:02
And
10:02
the
10:02
only
10:02
one
10:03
that
10:03
kind
10:03
of
10:03
lasts
10:03
for
10:04
a
10:04
bit
10:04
was
10:04
this
10:04
one
10:05
raccoon,
10:05
I
10:06
guess,
10:06
that
10:06
he
10:06
had
10:06
found
10:06
in
10:07
the
10:07
neighborhood
10:07
that
10:07
had
10:07
been
10:07
injured.
10:08
And
10:08
he
10:08
actually
10:09
taught
10:09
that
10:09
raccoon
10:10
to
10:10
sit
10:10
on
10:10
his
10:10
head
10:11
and
10:11
he
10:11
would
10:11
ride
10:11
his
10:12
bike
10:12
around
10:12
with
10:13
this
10:13
record
10:13
.
10:14  Speaker 1
I
10:14
just
10:14
have
10:14
to
10:14
say
10:15
like,
10:15
that's
10:16
a
10:16
bad
10:16
sign
10:16
when
10:16
you're
10:17
killing
10:17
animals
10:17
at
10:17
that
10:18
young
10:18
age,
10:18
just
10:18
like
10:19
th
10:19
the
10:19
research
10:20
shows
10:20
that
10:20
you
10:20
know,
10:20
that
10:21
,
10:21
um,
10:21
that
10:21
is
10:21
definitely
10:22
a
10:22
,
10:23
an
10:23
indication
10:24
of
10:24
some
10:24
conduct
10:25
disorder
10:25
or
10:25
antisocial
10:26
stuff
10:26
going
10:27
on,
10:28  Speaker 4
Even
10:28
pre-research.
10:29
I
10:29
mean,
10:30
if
10:30
your
10:30
kids
10:31
trapping
10:31
animals
10:32
and
10:32
on
10:32
a
10:32
regular
10:32
basis,
10:33
and
10:33
then
10:34
always
10:34
ultimately
10:35
ended
10:35
up
10:35
dissecting
10:36
them,
10:36
one
10:36
would
10:36
think
10:36
that
10:36
would
10:37
be
10:37
a
10:37
huge
10:37
red
10:37
flag.
10:38  Speaker 1
You
10:38
would
10:38
think,
10:39
did
10:39
he
10:39
do
10:39
it
10:39
in
10:39
secret?
10:40  Speaker 4
I
10:40
don't
10:41
see
10:41
how
10:41
he
10:41
could
10:41
have
10:41
done
10:42
it
10:42
in
10:42
secret,
10:42
because
10:43
if
10:43
it's
10:43
known
10:43
that
10:43
he,
10:44
this
10:44
is
10:44
something
10:45
that
10:45
he
10:45
did,
10:45
and
10:45
he
10:45
had
10:45
like
10:45
,
10:45
kind
10:46
of
10:46
this
10:46
menagerie
10:47
of
10:47
animals
10:48
think
10:48
sometimes
10:48
he
10:48
even
10:49
had
10:49
more
10:49
than
10:49
one
10:50
at
10:50
a
10:50
time.
10:50
I
10:50
think
10:51
the
10:51
,
10:51
I
10:51
don't
10:51
know
10:51
this
10:52
for
10:52
sure,
10:52
but
10:52
it
10:52
seems
10:52
like
10:53
they
10:53
knew
10:53
about
10:53
it
10:53
and
10:53
they
10:54
just
10:54
let
10:54
him
10:54
do
10:55
it.
10:55
And
10:55
then
10:56
his
10:56
brother
10:57
Jeffrey
10:57
was
10:57
saying
10:57
that
10:58
hadn't,
10:59
didn't
10:59
seem
10:59
like
10:59
he
10:59
had
11:00
a
11:00
sense
11:00
of
11:00
right
11:00
and
11:00
wrong
11:01
from
11:01
early
11:01
on.
11:02
And
11:02
he
11:03
used
11:03
an
11:03
example
11:03
that
11:04
once
11:04
they
11:04
were
11:04
riding
11:05
bikes
11:05
together
11:05
and
11:05
they
11:05
were
11:05
trying
11:06
to
11:06
ride
11:06
without
11:06
using
11:07
any
11:07
hands
11:07
and
11:08
they
11:08
were
11:08
doing
11:08
that.
11:09
And
11:09
then
11:09
hadn't
11:09
just
11:10
reached
11:10
over
11:10
and
11:11
grabbed
11:11
his
11:11
handlebars
11:12
or
11:12
veered
11:12
into
11:13
him
11:13
and
11:13
caused
11:13
an
11:13
accident.
11:14
And
11:14
when
11:14
he
11:14
asked
11:14
hadn't
11:15
for
11:15
help,
11:15
hadn't
11:16
just
11:16
turned
11:16
around
11:17
and
11:17
went
11:17
home.
11:17
And
11:18
when
11:18
hadn't
11:18
came
11:18
in
11:18
the
11:18
house,
11:19
he
11:19
said,
11:19
Oh,
11:19
there's
11:19
been
11:19
an
11:19
accident,
11:20
but
11:20
don't
11:20
worry.
11:21
The
11:21
bike
11:21
is
11:21
okay.
11:22
Who
11:22
,
11:22
yeah,
11:23
that's
11:23
just,
11:23
I
11:24
think
11:24
how
11:24
,
11:25  Speaker 1
Like
11:25
a
11:25
lack
11:25
of
11:25
being
11:25
able
11:25
to
11:26
identify
11:26
with
11:26
somebody
11:27
else's
11:27
pain
11:28
or
11:28
like
11:28
lack
11:28
of
11:29
empathy
11:29  Speaker 4
And
11:30
the
11:30
mom
11:31
Flavio
11:31
,
11:31
she
11:31
was
11:31
really
11:31
into,
11:32
she
11:32
was
11:32
really
11:33
active
11:33
in
11:33
the
11:33
PTA
11:34
evidently
11:35
and
11:35
also
11:35
boy
11:35
Scouts,
11:36
but
11:36
she
11:37
also
11:37
started
11:37
to
11:37
drink
11:38
very
11:38
heavily.
11:39
And
11:39
her
11:39
husband,
11:40
it
11:40
seemed
11:40
like
11:40
he
11:40
was
11:41
pretty
11:41
removed
11:41
from
11:42
at
11:42
least
11:42
emotionally
11:43
seemed
11:44
like
11:44
he
11:44
was
11:44
pretty
11:44
removed
11:45
from
11:45
the
11:45
family.
11:45
So
11:46
she
11:46
was
11:46
taking
11:47
Hadden
11:47
back
11:48
and
11:48
forth
11:48
to