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episode 2: What Makes a Good Podcast? [transcript]


In this episode, we discuss all the aspects of what makes a "high-quality podcast" and why it's not what you're probably thinking.

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 2019-07-03  51m
 
 
00:00  Travis
Alright
00:00
,
00:00
but
00:00
testing
00:01
the
00:01
test.
00:02
Oh
00:02
my
00:02
gosh,
00:04
it's
00:04
going
00:04
to
00:04
mess
00:04
with
00:05
ours.
00:05
Yeah.
00:05
Come
00:06
on
00:06
jiggle
00:06
boy.
00:06
I've
00:07
upgraded.
00:07
I'm
00:07
good
00:08
to
00:08
go.
00:13
Welcome
00:13
to
00:13
Buzzcast
00:13
were
00:13
we
00:14
talk
00:14
about
00:14
all
00:14
the
00:14
awesome
00:15
stuff
00:15
with
00:15
podcasting
00:16
and
00:16
we
00:16
all
00:16
have
00:16
opinions.
00:17
Some
00:17
of
00:17
them
00:17
are
00:17
better
00:17
than
00:18
others
00:18
and
00:18
some
00:18
of
00:18
them
00:18
are
00:19
right.
00:20
I'm
00:20
Travis
00:21
helping
00:21
me
00:22
in
00:22
this
00:22
episode.
00:24
Kevin
00:24
,
00:25
uh
00:25
,
00:25
our
00:25
resident
00:26
cofounder
00:26
and
00:27
Alban
00:27
person
00:28
who
00:28
knows
00:28
everything
00:28
about
00:28
marketing.
00:29
So
00:29
in
00:29
this
00:30
segment,
00:30
this
00:31
episode,
00:31
we
00:31
want
00:32
to
00:32
talk
00:32
about
00:32
something
00:32
totally
00:33
subjective,
00:33
which
00:34
is
00:34
what
00:34
makes
00:34
a
00:34
good
00:35
podcast.
00:35
Cause
00:35
that's
00:35
a
00:36
question
00:36
that
00:37
we
00:37
get
00:37
a
00:37
lot.
00:37
Like
00:38
how
00:38
do
00:38
I
00:38
know
00:38
if
00:38
my
00:38
podcast
00:39
is
00:39
good,
00:40
how
00:40
do
00:40
I
00:40
make
00:40
it
00:40
better?
00:41
What
00:41
makes
00:42
a
00:42
high
00:42
quality
00:42
podcast
00:43
actually
00:43
high
00:43
quality?
00:44
And
00:44
what
00:44
are
00:44
things
00:45
that
00:45
don't
00:45
actually
00:46
matter.
00:46
So
00:46
first
00:47
though,
00:47
I
00:47
want
00:47
to
00:47
talk
00:47
about
00:48
storytelling
00:50
and
00:50
engagement
00:51
cause
00:51
this
00:51
is
00:51
something
00:52
that
00:52
really
00:53
sets
00:53
apart
00:54
some
00:55
podcasts
00:55
is
00:55
like,
00:55
wow,
00:56
that's
00:56
incredible
00:57
noteworthy.
00:58
Everyone
00:59
likes
00:59
to
00:59
talk
00:59
about
00:59
it.
01:00
Um
01:00
,
01:00
but
01:00
it's
01:01
not
01:01
something
01:01
that
01:01
happens
01:02
automatically.
01:02
And
01:03
so
01:03
I'm
01:03
curious,
01:03
are
01:03
there
01:03
any
01:04
podcasts
01:05
that
01:05
you
01:05
guys
01:05
listened
01:05
to
01:06
that
01:06
you
01:06
think
01:07
are
01:07
really
01:07
good
01:08
with
01:08
keeping
01:09
you
01:09
engaged
01:09
through
01:10
the
01:10
episode
01:11
or
01:12
you
01:12
know,
01:12
in
01:12
,
01:12
in
01:12
the
01:12
mindset
01:13
of
01:14
a
01:14
story
01:15
or
01:15
talking
01:16
about
01:16
a
01:16
specific
01:16
thing,
01:17
but
01:17
it's
01:17
not
01:18
just
01:18
like
01:18
information.
01:19
Do
01:19
you
01:19
guys
01:20
have
01:20
any
01:20
that
01:20
kind
01:21
of
01:21
pops
01:21
the
01:21
top
01:21
of
01:21
your
01:21
head?
01:22  Alban
Yeah.
01:23
Um
01:23
,
01:23
the
01:23
one
01:24
that
01:24
pops
01:24
in
01:24
my
01:24
head
01:25
when
01:25
I
01:25
am
01:26
trying
01:26
not
01:26
to
01:26
think
01:26
of
01:27
just
01:27
like
01:28
Serial
01:28
or
01:28
something
01:29
that's
01:29
overly
01:29
produced.
01:30
Um,
01:30
the
01:31
first
01:31
one
01:31
that
01:31
popped
01:31
into
01:31
my
01:31
head
01:32
was
01:32
hardcore
01:32
history.
01:33
It
01:33
feels
01:34
like
01:34
he
01:34
sits
01:34
down
01:35
at
01:35
a
01:35
Mike
01:35
after
01:36
reading
01:36
like
01:36
30
01:37
bucks
01:37
on
01:37
a
01:37
subject
01:38
and
01:39
boom,
01:40
jumps
01:40
into
01:41
it
01:41
for
01:41
six
01:41
hours
01:42
and
01:42
you
01:42
are
01:43
just
01:43
sitting
01:43
now
01:43
like
01:44
the
01:44
most
01:44
riveting
01:45
person
01:46
and
01:47
six
01:47
hours
01:47
later
01:47
you're
01:48
like,
01:48
oh
01:48
my
01:48
gosh,
01:49
I
01:49
know
01:49
like
01:50
everything
01:50
about
01:50
Genghis
01:50
Khan
01:51
now.
01:51
Like
01:51
this
01:52
is
01:52
awesome.
01:53
I
01:53
have
01:53
not
01:53
listened.
01:53
That
01:54
pocket
01:54
is
01:54
really
01:54
six
01:54
hours.
01:55
Yeah.
01:55
He
01:55
has
01:56
episodes
01:57
that
01:57
are
01:57
six
01:57
hours
01:57
long
01:58
and
01:59
the
01:59
Genghis
02:00
Khan
02:00
one
02:00
,
02:00
I
02:00
think
02:00
that's
02:00
like
02:01
three
02:01
or
02:01
four
02:01
episodes.
02:02
I
02:02
mean,
02:02
he
02:02
is,
02:03
it's
02:03
book
02:03
level
02:04
in
02:04
depth.
02:05
Talk
02:05
about
02:06
,
02:06
um
02:06
,
02:07
historical
02:07
events
02:08
and
02:08
it
02:08
is
02:08
so
02:08
interesting.
02:09  Travis
Yeah.
02:09
And
02:10
he
02:10
only
02:10
comes
02:10
out
02:10
with
02:10
like
02:10
one
02:10
or
02:11
two
02:11
episodes
02:11
a
02:11
year.
02:12
Oh
02:12
really?
02:12
Yeah.
02:13
It's,
02:13
it's
02:14
crazy.
02:15
Um,
02:16
but
02:16
yeah,
02:16
no,
02:16
I've
02:17
heard
02:17
a
02:17
lot
02:17
about
02:17
that
02:17
podcast
02:18
where
02:18
it's
02:18
like,
02:19
people
02:20
that
02:20
don't
02:21
enjoy
02:21
history
02:21
or
02:22
aren't
02:22
history
02:22
buffs
02:22
or
02:23
hate
02:23
school,
02:23
they're
02:23
like,
02:23
yeah,
02:24
but
02:24
I'll
02:24
listen
02:24
to
02:24
six
02:24
hours
02:24
about
02:25
gangas
02:25
con
02:26
or
02:26
like
02:27
the
02:27
,
02:27
the
02:28
Japanese
02:28
Chinese
02:29
war
02:29
that
02:29
preceded
02:30
World
02:30
War
02:30
II.
02:30
I
02:30
was
02:31
like,
02:31
what?
02:31
Okay.
02:32
Interesting.
02:32  Alban
He's
02:33
crafting
02:33
this
02:34
incredible
02:34
story
02:35
that
02:35
feels
02:36
totally
02:36
natural.
02:38
Um,
02:38
because
02:38
it's
02:38
just
02:39
coming
02:39
from
02:39
one
02:39
person.
02:40
It's
02:40
not,
02:40
there's
02:40
no
02:40
like
02:40
sound
02:41
effects.
02:41
There's
02:42
not
02:42
doing
02:42
like
02:43
stuff
02:43
in
02:43
the
02:43
middle
02:44
with
02:44
big
02:44
clips.
02:45
It
02:45
just
02:46
sounds
02:46
like
02:46
it's
02:46
a
02:47
straight
02:47
conversation
02:48
for
02:49
all
02:49
this
02:49
time
02:50
or
02:50
a
02:50
monologue,
02:51
I
02:51
guess.
02:52
And
02:52
it's
02:53
impressive
02:53
that
02:53
someone
02:54
can
02:54
do
02:54
storytelling
02:54
that
02:55
way.
02:56
Um,
02:56
I
02:56
don't
02:57
know
02:57
,
02:57
maybe,
02:57
maybe
02:57
that
02:57
was
02:58
me
02:58
trying
02:58
to
02:58
say
02:59
there
02:59
can
02:59
be
02:59
great
02:59
storytelling,
03:00
but
03:00
it
03:00
may
03:00
not
03:01
always
03:01
be
03:02
overly
03:03
produced.
03:03
Does
03:03
that
03:03
make
03:04
sense?
03:04  Travis
Yeah,
03:05
no,
03:06
100%.
03:06
And
03:07
I
03:07
think
03:07
that's
03:07
a
03:07
good
03:08
distinction.
03:08
And
03:08
we're
03:09
going
03:09
to
03:09
hit
03:09
audio
03:10
quality
03:10
here
03:10
in
03:10
a
03:10
second.
03:11
Um,
03:11
so
03:12
I
03:12
think
03:12
that'd
03:12
be
03:12
good
03:12
to
03:12
circle
03:13
back
03:13
to.
03:13
What
03:13
about
03:14
you
03:14
Kevin?
03:14
Are
03:14
there
03:14
any
03:14
podcasts
03:15
that
03:15
you
03:15
enjoy
03:15
listening
03:16
to
03:16
even
03:16
if
03:17
they're
03:17
not
03:17
specifically
03:17
story
03:18
based
03:19
that
03:19
you
03:19
guys
03:19
find
03:20
to
03:20
be
03:20
super
03:20
engaging?
03:21  Kevin
Yeah,
03:21
I
03:21
have
03:21
a
03:22
couple
03:22
of
03:22
examples
03:22
that
03:22
pop
03:22
into
03:23
mind.
03:23
The
03:23
first
03:23
one
03:23
is
03:24
really
03:24
story-based
03:25
and
03:25
it's
03:25
the
03:25
way
03:25
I
03:26
heard
03:26
it
03:26
from
03:26
Mike
03:26
Rowe.
03:27
Yeah.
03:27
It's
03:27
like
03:28
an
03:28
homage
03:28
to
03:28
the
03:28
old
03:29
Paul
03:29
Harvey
03:29
stuff.
03:30
And
03:30
so
03:30
he
03:30
will
03:31
tell
03:31
a
03:31
story
03:32
and
03:32
starting,
03:33
you
03:33
know,
03:33
at
03:34
some
03:34
random
03:34
point
03:34
and
03:35
he
03:35
tells
03:35
the
03:35
whole
03:35
story
03:35
and
03:35
you
03:35
don't
03:36
really
03:36
know
03:36
who
03:36
he's
03:36
talking
03:36
about
03:37
until
03:37
the
03:37
very
03:37
end
03:38
and
03:38
the
03:38
episodes
03:38
for
03:38
the
03:38
last
03:39
15
03:39
20
03:39
30
03:39
seconds,
03:40
he
03:40
reveals
03:41
who
03:41
this
03:41
person
03:42
was
03:42
and
03:42
it's
03:42
usually,
03:42
you
03:43
know,
03:43
someone
03:43
that
03:43
you've
03:43
heard
03:43
of,
03:43
somebody
03:44
famous
03:44
and
03:44
are
03:45
significant
03:45
in
03:46
one
03:46
way
03:46
or
03:46
another.
03:46
I
03:47
really
03:47
enjoy
03:47
listening
03:47
to
03:47
those.
03:48
Just
03:48
try
03:48
to
03:48
figure
03:48
them
03:48
out
03:48
ahead
03:49
of
03:49
time.
03:49
Like
03:50
it's
03:50
a
03:50
little
03:50
bit
03:50
of
03:50
a
03:50
mystery
03:51
involvement
03:51
wrapped
03:51
up
03:51
in
03:51
the
03:51
story.
03:52
I
03:52
love
03:52
listening
03:53
to
03:53
them
03:53
with
03:53
my
03:53
children
03:54
to
03:54
see
03:54
if,
03:54
you
03:54
know
03:54
the
03:55
ones
03:55
I
03:55
get
03:55
they
03:55
don't
03:55
get
03:56
and
03:56
sometimes
03:56
they
03:56
get
03:56
ones
03:57
that
03:57
I
03:57
don't
03:57
get.
03:58
Those
03:58
are
03:58
a
03:58
lot
03:58
of
03:58
fun.
03:59
The
03:59
other
03:59
one
03:59
I
03:59
think
04:00
about
04:00
is
04:01
Conan
04:01
O'Brien
04:01
needs
04:02
a
04:02
friend.
04:02
Okay.
04:03
So
04:03
I
04:03
listen
04:03
to
04:03
those
04:04
because
04:04
they're
04:04
,
04:04
they're
04:04
fun
04:04
and
04:04
entertaining.
04:05
He
04:05
interviews
04:06
other
04:06
comedians
04:07
but
04:07
he's
04:07
not
04:08
really
04:08
doing
04:09
like
04:09
the
04:09
story
04:09
of
04:09
their
04:09
life.
04:10
They
04:10
go
04:10
through
04:10
really
04:11
specific,
04:12
like
04:12
Conan,
04:13
we'll
04:13
say
04:13
hi
04:13
,
04:13
interacted
04:13
with
04:13
you
04:14
this
04:14
one
04:14
time
04:14
on
04:14
my
04:14
show
04:15
or
04:16
we
04:16
were
04:16
on
04:16
a
04:16
movie
04:16
set
04:16
together
04:17
or
04:17
you
04:17
came
04:18
over
04:18
to
04:18
my
04:18
house
04:18
for
04:18
dinner.
04:18
And
04:19
they,
04:19
it's
04:19
usually
04:20
two
04:20
or
04:20
three
04:20
specific
04:21
times
04:21
that
04:21
they
04:22
interacted
04:22
and
04:22
they
04:23
go
04:23
into
04:23
depth
04:24
on
04:24
those
04:24
stories.
04:25
Yeah
04:25
.
04:25  Alban
What
04:25
do
04:25
you
04:25
think
04:25
makes
04:26
them
04:26
work?
04:26
Like
04:27
the
04:27
micro
04:27
one,
04:27
like
04:27
what
04:28
do
04:28
you
04:28
think
04:28
it
04:28
is
04:28
that
04:28
makes
04:29
those
04:29
clicks
04:29
so
04:29
much?
04:30
Is
04:30
it
04:30
like
04:30
the
04:30
teaser?
04:31  Kevin
I
04:31
think
04:32
he
04:32
has
04:32
this
04:32
challenge
04:33
that
04:34
he's
04:35
given
04:35
himself
04:36
that,
04:36
how
04:36
do
04:36
I
04:36
tell
04:36
this
04:36
story
04:37
in
04:37
such
04:38
a
04:38
way
04:38
that
04:38
I
04:38
don't
04:38
give
04:39
away
04:39
who
04:39
I'm
04:40
telling
04:40
the
04:40
story
04:40
about?
04:41
And
04:41
so
04:41
that
04:41
creates
04:42
a
04:42
creative
04:42
process.
04:42
And
04:43
a
04:43
problem
04:43
in
04:43
your
04:43
mind
04:44
that
04:44
you're
04:44
creatively
04:45
solving
04:45
the
04:45
whole
04:45
time
04:46
you're
04:46
telling
04:46
your
04:46
story.
04:46
So
04:47
I
04:47
imagine
04:47
he's
04:47
not
04:47
doing
04:48
these
04:48
things
04:48
on
04:48
the
04:48
fly.
04:48
I'm,
04:49
I,
04:49
I
04:49
imagine
04:49
he
04:50
writes
04:50
them
04:50
out
04:50
ahead
04:50
of
04:50
time
04:50
or
04:51
at
04:51
least
04:51
you
04:51
know
04:51
the
04:51
speaking
04:52
points
04:52
and
04:53
rehearses
04:53
it
04:53
a
04:53
few
04:53
times.
04:54
But
04:54
I
04:54
think
04:54
giving
04:54
yourself
04:55
a
04:55
constraint
04:56
like
04:56
that,
04:56
like
04:56
when
04:56
you're
04:56
telling
04:57
a
04:57
story,
04:57
like
04:57
I'm
04:57
not
04:57
gonna
04:58
you
04:58
know,
04:58
if
04:58
you're
04:58
interviewing
04:58
somebody
04:59
for
04:59
your
04:59
podcast
04:59
or
05:00
say
05:00
or
05:00
something,
05:00
listening
05:01
to
05:01
other
05:01
podcasts
05:02
they've
05:02
done
05:02
and
05:02
say,
05:02
how
05:02
can
05:02
I
05:02
do
05:03
something
05:03
different?
05:03
I
05:03
don't
05:03
want
05:03
to
05:04
ask
05:04
these
05:04
obvious
05:04
questions.
05:05
I
05:05
don't
05:05
want
05:05
to
05:05
tell
05:05
this
05:05
story
05:05
the
05:06
same
05:06
way
05:06
that
05:06
it's
05:07
already
05:07
been
05:07
told
05:07
I'm
05:08
going
05:08
to
05:08
put
05:08
myself
05:08
in
05:08
a
05:08
box
05:09
and
05:09
I'm
05:10
going
05:10
to
05:10
operate
05:10
within
05:10
the
05:10
box.
05:11
And
05:11
that's
05:11
where
05:11
creativity
05:12
comes
05:12
alive.
05:13  Travis
Yeah.
05:14
Cause
05:14
the
05:14
thing
05:14
that
05:14
I
05:14
think
05:14
about
05:15
when
05:15
it
05:15
comes
05:15
to
05:16
storytelling
05:16
and
05:16
engagement
05:17
is
05:19
there's
05:19
a
05:19
wide
05:19
discrepancy
05:20
between
05:21
engaging
05:21
podcasts
05:22
that
05:22
are
05:22
shorter
05:22
and
05:22
then
05:23
hardcore
05:23
history
05:24
being
05:24
the
05:24
other
05:24
side
05:24
of
05:24
the
05:24
extreme
05:25
where
05:25
it's
05:25
six
05:25
hours.
05:26
And
05:26
I
05:27
think
05:27
the
05:27
thing
05:27
that
05:27
I
05:27
always
05:27
come
05:28
back
05:28
to
05:28
as
05:28
far
05:28
as
05:28
like,
05:29
is
05:29
this
05:29
a
05:29
good
05:30
podcast
05:30
in
05:30
terms
05:31
of
05:31
keeping
05:31
me
05:31
engaged
05:32
is
05:32
that
05:32
I
05:32
feel
05:33
like
05:33
the
05:34
host
05:34
is
05:34
being
05:34
intentional
05:35
with
05:36
the
05:36
content
05:36
that
05:36
he's
05:37
putting
05:37
out
05:37
there
05:38
or
05:38
she
05:38
is
05:38
putting
05:38
out
05:38
there
05:39
because
05:39
I've
05:39
listened
05:39
to
05:39
podcast
05:40
room,
05:40
like
05:41
I
05:41
feel
05:41
like
05:41
this
05:41
is
05:41
going
05:42
nowhere.
05:42
I
05:43
feel
05:43
like
05:43
there's,
05:43
there's
05:43
no
05:44
end
05:44
to
05:44
this
05:44
conversation.
05:45
They're
05:45
just
05:46
making
05:46
conversation
05:47
for
05:47
the
05:47
sake
05:48
of
05:48
recording
05:48
something.
05:49
And
05:49
this
05:50
hour
05:50
and
05:50
a
05:50
half,
05:50
you
05:50
know,
05:52
dialogue
05:52
between
05:52
three
05:53
co-hosts
05:53
could
05:53
really
05:53
be
05:53
20
05:53
minutes
05:54
if
05:54
they
05:54
just
05:54
tightened
05:54
up
05:55
their
05:55
act
05:55
and
05:55
had
05:55
an
05:55
outline.
05:57
And
05:57
so,
05:57
so
05:57
that's
05:57
been
05:58
the
05:58
thing
05:58
that
05:58
I
05:58
pick
05:59
up
05:59
on
06:00
when
06:00
I'm
06:00
listening,
06:00
listening
06:00
to
06:01
a
06:01
podcast
06:01
and
06:01
trying
06:01
to
06:01
figure
06:02
out
06:02
is
06:03
this
06:03
something
06:03
that
06:03
I
06:03
want
06:03
to
06:03
continue
06:04
to
06:04
listen
06:04
to
06:04
is,
06:05
do
06:05
I
06:05
feel
06:05
like
06:06
my
06:06
time
06:07
is
06:08
important
06:09
to
06:09
the
06:09
people
06:10
that
06:10
are
06:10
putting
06:10
the
06:10
podcast
06:11
together?
06:11
You
06:12
know,
06:12
cause
06:13
I'm
06:13
totally
06:13
fine
06:13
with
06:13
going
06:14
for
06:14
a
06:14
two
06:14
hour
06:14
ride
06:14
if
06:14
it's
06:15
something
06:15
that's
06:15
gonna
06:15
be
06:15
really
06:15
engaging
06:16
and
06:16
something
06:16
that
06:17
I
06:17
feels
06:17
intentional.
06:18
But
06:18
if
06:18
it
06:18
just
06:18
feels
06:19
slapped
06:19
together,
06:19
then
06:20
that's
06:21
going
06:21
to
06:21
be
06:21
not
06:21
necessarily
06:21
a
06:22
flag,
06:22
but
06:22
it's
06:22
going
06:22
to
06:22
turn
06:22
me
06:22
off.
06:23
It's
06:23
going
06:23
to
06:23
be
06:23
like,
06:23
well
06:24
you
06:24
know,
06:25
I
06:25
don't
06:25
really,
06:25
if
06:25
they're
06:26
a
06:26
cliff
06:26
notes
06:26
version
06:26
of
06:26
this
06:26
podcast
06:27
I
06:27
can
06:27
listen
06:27
to
06:28
cause
06:28
I
06:28
don't
06:28
really
06:28
want
06:28
to
06:28
listen
06:28
to
06:29
the
06:29
whole
06:29
thing.
06:29
It
06:30
seems
06:30
like
06:30
you're
06:30
just
06:31
filling
06:31
space
06:32
to
06:32
fill
06:32
space,
06:32
you
06:32
know?
06:33  Alban
I
06:33
mean
06:33
that's
06:34
kinda
06:34
touching
06:34
on
06:34
the
06:35
question.
06:35
We
06:35
got
06:36
this
06:36
in
06:36
a
06:36
Webinar
06:36
or
06:36
we
06:36
did
06:37
today.
06:37
Like
06:37
how
06:38
long
06:38
should
06:38
a
06:38
podcast
06:38
episode
06:39
be?
06:39
Maybe
06:40
a
06:40
good
06:40
way
06:40
of
06:41
giving
06:41
our
06:41
answer
06:41
to
06:41
that
06:42
is
06:42
to
06:42
say
06:42
like
06:42
as
06:42
long
06:43
as
06:43
the
06:43
story
06:44
is
06:44
that
06:44
long
06:45
and
06:45
it's
06:45
engaging
06:46
for
06:46
that
06:46
long,
06:47
I
06:47
mean
06:47
there's
06:48
great
06:48
youtube
06:49
clip,
06:49
you
06:50
know
06:50
there's
06:50
great
06:50
vine
06:51
videos.
06:51
There
06:51
are
06:51
six
06:51
seconds
06:52
and
06:52
then
06:52
you've
06:52
got
06:52
game
06:53
of
06:53
Thrones
06:53
that's
06:53
like
06:53
70
06:54
hours.
06:55
People
06:56
engage
06:56
with
06:56
good
06:56
content
06:57
as
06:57
long
06:57
as
06:57
it
06:57
is
06:58
like
06:58
there's
06:58
no
06:59
limit.
07:00
But
07:00
as
07:00
soon
07:00
as
07:00
the
07:00
story
07:01
is
07:01
kind
07:01
of
07:01
over,
07:02
you
07:02
need
07:02
to
07:03
cut
07:03
it
07:03
off.
07:04
Like
07:04
don't
07:04
let
07:04
it
07:04
just
07:05
ramble
07:05
for
07:07
an
07:07
extra
07:07
an
07:07
hour
07:07
.
07:07  Kevin
I
07:07
l
07:07
ike
07:07
the
07:07
idea.
07:08
I
07:08
think
07:08
a
07:08
trap
07:08
that
07:08
we
07:08
can
07:09
fall
07:09
into
07:09
when
07:10
interviewing
07:10
people
07:11
in
07:11
the
07:11
podcast
07:12
format
07:12
is
07:13
that
07:13
ahead
07:14
of
07:14
time.
07:14
We
07:14
can
07:14
prepare
07:14
a
07:14
bunch
07:15
of
07:15
questions
07:15
and
07:16
then
07:16
we
07:16
have
07:16
this
07:16
goal
07:17
of
07:17
getting
07:17
through
07:17
all
07:17
the
07:18
questions
07:18
as
07:19
o
07:19
pposed
07:19
to
07:19
looking
07:20
at
07:20
those,
07:20
t
07:20
hat
07:21
list
07:21
of
07:21
questions
07:22
as
07:22
those
07:23
are
07:23
o
07:23
ur
07:23
tools
07:23
to
07:23
dig
07:24
for
07:24
the
07:24
gold.
07:25
And
07:25
so
07:25
if
07:25
we
07:25
get
07:26
through
07:26
question
07:26
one
07:26
question
07:27
two,
07:27
question
07:27
three
07:28
i
07:28
n
07:28
question
07:28
three,
07:28
turns
07:29
out
07:29
t
07:29
here's
07:29
a
07:29
really
07:30
interesting,
07:30
amazing
07:30
story
07:31
here
07:31
and
07:31
that
07:31
goes
07:32
super
07:32
long.
07:33
We
07:33
have
07:33
to
07:33
fight
07:34
podcast
07:34
seven
07:34
more
07:34
questions.
07:35
I
07:35
needed
07:35
to
07:35
wrap
07:35
this
07:36
up
07:36
or
07:36
I
07:36
n
07:36
eed
07:36
to
07:36
get
07:36
back
07:37
onto
07:37
my
07:37
schedule.
07:38
Like
07:38
once
07:39
you
07:39
find
07:39
the
07:39
gold,
07:40
then
07:40
that's
07:40
your
07:40
focus.
07:41
And
07:41
so
07:41
it
07:41
doesn't
07:41
matter
07:41
if
07:42
we
07:42
get
07:42
through
07:42
the
07:42
rest
07:42
of
07:42
the
07:42
questions.
07:43
Those
07:43
are
07:43
just
07:43
tools
07:44
to
07:44
help
07:44
us
07:44
find
07:45
this
07:45
goal
07:45
that
07:45
we're
07:45
looking
07:46
for
07:46
this
07:46
amazing
07:46
story,
07:46
t
07:46
his
07:47
great
07:47
content.
07:47
And
07:47
if
07:47
that's
07:48
where
07:48
you're
07:49
going
07:49
to
07:49
be
07:49
questions
07:49
end
07:50
a
07:50
nd
07:50
i
07:50
t's
07:50
totally
07:50
fine.
07:51  Travis
Yeah.
07:51
And
07:51
that's
07:52
even
07:52
just
07:52
focusing
07:53
on
07:53
kind
07:53
of
07:54
a
07:54
30,000
07:54
foot
07:55
view
07:55
of
07:55
what
07:55
is
07:56
the
07:56
reason
07:56
you
07:57
are
07:57
bringing
07:57
a
07:57
guest
07:58
on
07:58
in
07:58
the
07:58
first
07:58
place.
07:59
Right.
08:00
Cause
08:00
like
08:00
you
08:00
said,
08:00
it
08:00
is
08:00
easy
08:01
to
08:01
kind
08:01
of
08:01
rely
08:01
on
08:02
your,
08:03
your
08:03
pre
08:04
your
08:04
,
08:04
your
08:04
questions
08:05
that
08:05
you
08:05
have
08:06
figured
08:06
out
08:06
ahead
08:06
of
08:06
time
08:07
trying
08:08
to
08:08
knock
08:08
everything
08:08
out
08:09
without
08:10
remembering.
08:10
Like
08:10
the
08:10
reason
08:11
you
08:12
sign
08:12
this
08:12
person
08:12
up
08:12
to
08:12
interview
08:12
for
08:13
your
08:13
podcast
08:13
is
08:13
because
08:13
you
08:13
want
08:14
to
08:14
hear
08:14
their
08:14
thoughts,
08:14
you
08:14
wanna
08:14
hear
08:14
their
08:15
story
08:15
and
08:16
you
08:16
want
08:16
to
08:16
share
08:16
that.
08:17
But
08:17
I
08:17
know
08:18
when
08:18
I
08:18
was
08:18
first
08:18
starting
08:19
with
08:19
interviews,
08:19
like
08:19
the
08:19
first
08:20
time
08:20
I
08:20
started
08:20
doing
08:20
interview
08:21
podcasts
08:21
,
08:22
um,
08:22
I
08:22
was,
08:23
I
08:23
was
08:24
terrified
08:25
of
08:25
getting
08:25
off
08:25
of
08:26
scripts
08:27
even
08:27
though
08:27
it
08:27
was
08:27
prerecorded
08:28
and
08:28
I
08:28
can
08:29
edit
08:29
it
08:29
to
08:29
make
08:29
me
08:29
sound
08:30
as
08:30
smart
08:30
as
08:30
I
08:30
wanted
08:30
to.
08:32
I
08:32
was
08:32
terrified
08:33
by
08:33
the
08:33
idea
08:34
that
08:35
they're
08:35
going
08:35
to
08:36
take
08:36
this
08:36
conversation
08:37
somewhere
08:37
I
08:37
didn't
08:38
expect
08:39
or
08:39
anticipate
08:40
and
08:40
I'm
08:40
not
08:40
gonna
08:40
know
08:40
what
08:41
to
08:41
do.
08:41
So
08:41
I
08:41
might
08:41
as
08:41
well
08:42
just
08:42
stick
08:42
to
08:42
the
08:42
script
08:43
that
08:43
I
08:43
have
08:43
laid
08:43
out.
08:43
Cause
08:43
at
08:44
least
08:44
I
08:44
know
08:45
what's
08:45
coming
08:45
and
08:45
I
08:46
feel
08:46
prepared
08:46
as
08:46
a,
08:47
as
08:47
a
08:47
podcast,
08:48
you're
08:48
,
08:48
it
08:48
took
08:48
me
08:48
a
08:48
little
08:48
while
08:49
to
08:49
kind
08:49
of
08:50
gain
08:50
the
08:50
self
08:50
confidence
08:51
to
08:51
try
08:52
and
08:52
do
08:52
something
08:52
different.
08:53
And
08:53
it
08:53
was
08:53
actually
08:54
doing
08:55
podcasting
08:55
and
08:55
real
08:55
life
08:56
was
08:56
the
08:56
first
08:56
time
08:57
that
08:57
I
08:57
stopped
08:59
scripting
08:59
questions
09:00
and
09:01
I
09:01
started
09:01
,
09:02
uh,
09:02
instead
09:02
focusing
09:03
on
09:03
like
09:03
broader
09:03
topics,
09:04
like
09:05
what
09:05
are
09:05
the
09:05
things
09:05
about
09:06
their
09:06
show,
09:07
their
09:07
journey
09:08
that
09:08
are
09:08
interesting
09:09
to
09:09
me
09:09
that
09:09
I
09:09
want
09:09
to
09:09
dig
09:09
deeper
09:10
into.
09:11
And
09:11
then
09:12
giving
09:12
myself
09:12
the
09:12
flexibility
09:13
and
09:13
the
09:13
freedom
09:13
to
09:13
jump
09:14
in
09:14
and
09:14
out
09:14
of
09:14
those
09:15
as
09:15
I
09:15
saw
09:16
fit.
09:16
Right.
09:17
And
09:17
so
09:17
seeing
09:17
them
09:18
more
09:18
as
09:18
a
09:18
safety
09:18
net
09:19
instead
09:19
of
09:19
like
09:19
a,
09:19
like
09:20
a
09:20
harness.
09:21  Kevin
Yeah,
09:21
that's
09:21
a
09:21
good
09:21
way
09:22
to
09:22
explain
09:22
it.
09:23
I
09:23
think
09:23
oftentimes
09:24
when
09:24
you
09:24
ask
09:24
a
09:24
question,
09:25
someone
09:25
will
09:25
start
09:25
going
09:26
into
09:26
the
09:26
answer
09:27
and
09:27
they'll
09:27
skip
09:27
over
09:28
this
09:28
little
09:28
detail.
09:29
That's
09:29
highly
09:30
interesting.
09:31
And
09:31
you're
09:31
exactly
09:31
right.
09:31
It
09:31
takes
09:32
a
09:32
lot
09:32
of
09:32
courage
09:32
to
09:32
like
09:33
interrupt
09:33
them
09:33
and
09:33
stop
09:34
and
09:34
say,
09:35
you
09:35
know,
09:35
wait
09:36
a
09:36
second.
09:36
Did
09:36
you
09:36
just
09:37
say,
09:37
you
09:37
know,
09:37
you
09:37
jumped
09:38
off
09:38
this
09:38
30
09:38
story
09:39
building
09:39
with,
09:39
you
09:40
know,
09:40
or
09:40
whatever.
09:41
Yeah.
09:41
And
09:42
to
09:42
them
09:42
it
09:42
might
09:42
be
09:42
no
09:42
big
09:42
deal,
09:43
but
09:43
to
09:43
you
09:43
it's
09:43
super
09:44
interesting.
09:44
So
09:44
you
09:45
could
09:45
imagine
09:45
that
09:45
the
09:45
listeners
09:46
want
09:46
to
09:46
hear
09:46
more
09:46
about
09:46
that
09:46
too.
09:47
But
09:47
it
09:47
does
09:47
take
09:48
a
09:48
certain
09:48
amount
09:48
of
09:48
courage
09:49
and
09:49
self
09:49
confidence
09:49
to
09:50
be
09:50
able
09:50
to
09:50
interrupt
09:50
the
09:50
story
09:51
and
09:51
stop
09:51
it
09:51
there
09:51
and
09:51
say,
09:51
I
09:51
think
09:52
this
09:52
is
09:52
worth
09:52
digging
09:52
into.
09:53
Let's
09:53
go
09:53
for
09:53
it.
09:54  Alban
Yeah,
09:54
I
09:54
actually
09:55
can
09:55
think
09:55
of
09:56
a
09:56
podcast
09:57
that
09:57
I
09:57
listened
09:58
to
09:58
a
09:58
lot
09:58
and
09:59
I
09:59
don't
09:59
really
10:00
love
10:01
because
10:01
they
10:02
consistently
10:02
get
10:02
these
10:03
really
10:03
good,
10:03
it's
10:03
a
10:04
marketing
10:05
podcast
10:05
.
10:05
I
10:05
want
10:05
to
10:05
blast
10:05
them
10:06
on
10:06
our
10:06
show,
10:06
but
10:07
they
10:07
do
10:07
a
10:07
really
10:07
good,
10:08
they
10:08
get
10:08
a
10:08
ton
10:08
of
10:08
really
10:08
good
10:08
guests
10:09
and
10:10
they
10:10
get
10:10
the
10:11
guests
10:11
tell
10:11
like
10:12
their
10:12
process
10:12
and
10:12
how
10:12
they
10:13
do
10:13
work.
10:13
So
10:13
it's
10:13
really
10:14
valuable
10:14
to
10:14
me.
10:15
But
10:16
when
10:16
they
10:17
start
10:17
like
10:17
giving
10:17
their
10:18
stories,
10:18
the
10:18
host,
10:19
I
10:19
can
10:19
almost
10:20
see
10:20
him
10:20
looking
10:21
down
10:21
reading
10:22
as
10:22
next
10:22
question
10:23
say
10:23
drops
10:24
in.
10:24
It's
10:24
like
10:24
super
10:25
interesting.
10:25
He's
10:25
,
10:25
Oh
10:26
cool.
10:26
Cool,
10:26
cool.
10:26
Yeah,
10:27
that's
10:27
awesome.
10:27
So
10:28
boom.
10:28
Next
10:29
question.
10:30
And
10:30
like
10:30
this,
10:30
you're
10:30
not
10:30
crafting
10:31
a
10:31
story
10:31
here
10:32
while
10:32
you're
10:32
crafting
10:33
is
10:33
like
10:34
a
10:34
Q
10:34
and
10:34
A
10:35
session.
10:35
Like,
10:36
I'll
10:36
hit
10:36
you
10:36
with
10:36
a
10:36
question.
10:37
I've
10:37
got
10:37
my
10:37
second
10:37
question
10:38
coming
10:38
up.
10:38
It's
10:38
a
10:38
survey
10:39
or
10:39
something.
10:39
It's
10:40
not
10:40
a
10:40
story.
10:41
It's
10:41
not
10:41
a
10:41
conversation.
10:42  Travis
Yeah.
10:43
And
10:43
I've,
10:43
I've
10:43
definitely
10:44
been
10:44
guilty
10:44
of
10:45
that.
10:45
Guilty
10:46
of
10:46
boom,
10:47
boom,
10:47
boom,
10:47
boom
10:47
doing
10:48
survey
10:48
monkey
10:48
on
10:48
my
10:49
podcast.
10:49
The
10:50
other
10:50
thing
10:50
that's
10:50
interesting
10:50
to
10:50
me
10:51
about
10:52
having
10:53
an
10:53
engaging
10:53
podcast
10:55
is,
10:56
you
10:56
know,
10:56
kind
10:56
of
10:56
starting
10:56
with
10:57
the
10:57
end
10:57
in
10:57
mind
10:58
and
10:58
making
10:58
sure
10:58
that
10:59
the
10:59
episode
11:00
is
11:00
leading
11:00
somewhere.
11:01
The
11:01
podcasts
11:01
that
11:01
I
11:02
enjoy
11:02
listening
11:03
to
11:04
because
11:04
I
11:04
know
11:05
there's
11:05
always
11:05
a
11:05
payoff
11:05
at
11:05
the
11:05
end,
11:06
is
11:07
the
11:07
school
11:07
of
11:07
greatness
11:07
by
11:07
Lewis
11:08
House.
11:08
So
11:08
he
11:09
interviews
11:10
people
11:10
from
11:11
a
11:11
wide
11:11
range
11:11
of
11:11
industries
11:12
that
11:12
have
11:12
totally
11:12
different
11:13
backgrounds.
11:14
Um,
11:14
you
11:14
know,
11:14
he
11:15
recently
11:15
did
11:15
an
11:15
interview
11:15
with
11:16
Kobe
11:16
Bryant
11:16
.
11:17
He's
11:17
done
11:17
interviews
11:17
with
11:18
people
11:18
that
11:18
you
11:18
know,
11:19
were
11:19
on
11:19
shark
11:19
tank,
11:19
like
11:19
Mark
11:20
Cuban
11:20
and
11:21
Tony
11:21
Robbins
11:21
and
11:21
like
11:22
the
11:22
biggest