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episode 11: Video Game Consoles: Hands Off My Joystick [transcript]


Date: 21st March 2021

Name of show: A Midlife Less Ordinary

Episode title and number: Season 1 Episode 11

Video Games Consoles: Hands Off  My Joystick

Brief summary of show:

After last week’s delve into the world of arcade based games, Wayne & Trev switch their attention to the “at-home” version that is the world of video game consoles. From the Atari 2600 in the late 1970’s to the ultra-high definition gaming we enjoy today, you are sure to find yourself being taken back to a more carefree time of your life where you rushed home from school or work to finish that game you had stayed up until all hours playing the night before.

 

Bullet points of key topics & time stamps:

Trev: 1:12 

I think sometimes that takes you away from the gameplay. They tried to make stuff. So epic it can I've done me wrong. I love playing those kinds of games. Because you can really immerse yourself into them. Because yes, I'm not as good as I used to be. So I don't play online anymore because I just get beaten to a pulp by some kid in Brazil, who's about nine.

Wayne: 15:28 

But can I make a plea to everyone don't please don't invest. When we know you got enjoying playing your games, please don't invest in one of these digital only once versions. Because really, what that's doing away with what they want us to do is basically stop being able to trade in our games, because then you'll buy the game once no stuck with it, you're gonna just have to delete it. You can't use that to invest in a different game. So I'm waiting for the dispersion. Yeah, exactly. And that's the way you can tell that's where they want us to go with it. Because then they've got it. They can't sell anything. So you can be buying more games?


 
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 2021-03-21  39m
 
 
00:01  intro
You're listening to a mid
00:01
life less ordinary, the weekly
00:05
podcast giving you the lowdown
00:05
on becoming a cool older dude.
00:11
The good times are not afraid of
00:11
memory. It's time to start
00:15
loving them again. And here are
00:15
your hosts Wayne and trout Yeah,
00:23
hello
00:24  Wayne
and welcome back to a mid
00:24
life less ordinary. And I'm back
00:27
here with Trev Are you ready for
00:27
this?
00:29  Trev
I'm game boy if you are
00:33  Wayne
and the reason I'm saying
00:33
that is because this episode is
00:36
called hands off my joystick now
00:36
that sounds a bit risky doesn't
00:40
it?
00:41  Trev
But does it does but
00:41
you're the reference is true,
00:44
because who has joysticks
00:44
anymore?
00:46  Wayne
This is true is control
00:46
pads. Isn't it more now
00:48  Trev
gamepad now not joysticks?
00:48
Yeah,
00:51  Wayne
exactly. So as you can
00:51
tell, this episode is all about
00:53
console gaming. What games you
00:53
should be playing when you're in
00:58
your kind of mid life. I mean, a
00:58
lot of them are aimed at which
01:00
ones are good. Yeah. Which ones
01:00
are good? Which ones are worth
01:03
playing? A bit of the history
01:04  Trev
of games. You can't No no.
01:04
Yeah, exactly. Games.
01:07  Wayne
You're actually playing a
01:07
kind of movie now on you in most
01:10
of these games. Yeah, I
01:12  Trev
think sometimes that takes
01:12
you away from the gameplay. They
01:15
tried to make stuff. So epic it
01:15
can I've done me wrong. I love
01:18
playing those kinds of games.
01:18
Because you can really immerse
01:20
yourself into them. Because yes,
01:20
I'm not as good as I used to be.
01:23
So I don't play online anymore
01:23
because I just get beaten to a
01:28
pulp by some kid in Brazil,
01:28
who's about nine.
01:32  Wayne
He's your pen friend.
01:34  Unknown
Exactly. And to be
01:34
honest, it's not being clever
01:37
with your headphones on and you
01:37
might slagging kids down
01:41
halfway. Because you're no good.
01:41
You're just not anymore. So you
01:46  Wayne
shouldn't be taking it
01:46
out on these kids. We were like
01:48
the OAP Call of Duty boys when
01:48
we were making Yeah, exactly.
01:53  Trev
We were
01:55  Wayne
Dads Army
01:59  Trev
was really good fun. But
01:59
honestly, some of the things
02:02
that we used to say to some of
02:02
the kids on there
02:06  Wayne
just to do his reactions,
02:06
mostly
02:08  Trev
his patients and and he's
02:08
getting the time to play them.
02:12
exactly know when you when
02:12
you're a kid, you could spend
02:14
eight hours in your bedroom.
02:14
Your skills playing Call of Duty
02:19
and stuff.
02:19  Wayne
Certainly. When you're an
02:19
adult,
02:21  Trev
you have other
02:21
responsibilities. Oh, yeah.
02:25  Wayne
Yeah, some people. That's
02:25
their only kind of hobby, isn't
02:28
it? And
02:29  Trev
vice kind of thing
02:30  Wayne
you know, the funny thing
02:30
about console gaming. And what
02:33
he's done for us is that console
02:33
gaming evokes memories of sort
02:38
of children really, but a gaming
02:38
because we're kind of been
02:41
brought up with it. There's a
02:41
plenty of people our age, who
02:44
still love gaming, there's
02:45  Trev
no Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
02:45
The funny thing is, when we were
02:48
kids, and you had your sort of
02:48
Atari, your Intellivision that
02:52
was so lost in the past.
02:52
intellivision. Did you remember
02:55
them? Yeah. Well, I had one to
02:55
be I'm actually using. Yeah, I
03:06
was a spoiled little brat. I
03:06
think I thought she had if we go
03:10
and console went up to a certain
03:10
stage, might the Intellivision
03:14
peds if anybody could get a
03:14
picture one and send it in on
03:19
our little blue button with the
03:19
most awful page you could ever
03:23
play a video game with ever?
03:23
They were just terrible. They
03:26
love our phones. Our phones?
03:26
Yeah, yeah, they didn't they
03:30
were wired. So you had these
03:30
kind of phone wire? Like when
03:34
this was coil? Yeah, they were
03:34
awful. My absolutely terrible.
03:41
So that the spirits that games
03:41
are pretty bad on there as well.
03:44  Wayne
Yeah, but this is the
03:44
remember this is I mean, there's
03:47
a bit of just a bit of a spoiler
03:47
for later, the test trev.
03:50
Obviously, this kind of subject
03:50
comes up in that. So I don't
03:53
want to touch on it. Because
03:53
I'll give you the answers
03:55
beforehand. And that
03:57  Trev
you talking about adult
03:57
gaming. The funny thing is the
04:00
only time an adult would ever
04:00
come near a gaming console. Back
04:04
in the day was if your dad come
04:04
in or your monitor your dinner's
04:07
ready. Or you say go never got
04:07
this, and they go oh, I'll have
04:12
a go of it and then hold it
04:12
upside down
04:14  Wayne
or something. Come on.
04:17  Trev
And then that was it. That
04:17
was that was adult gaming me?
04:20
Yeah. Now. completely different.
04:20
Yeah, absolutely different is
04:25
such a weird turnaround. That
04:27  Wayne
is, I mean, the market is
04:27
so vast because it's aimed at
04:30
anyone from the age of five to
04:30
85. Now, the market for video
04:37
gaming, home console gaming is
04:37
hundreds of billions of dollars
04:41
or pounds.
04:41  Trev
But you've only got a look
04:41
at a company like Activision.
04:43
Yeah, yeah. Do you think the
04:43
biggest thing about that was
04:47
online gaming. Do you think that
04:47
changed the whole thing?
04:50  Wayne
Yes. Yeah,
04:52  Trev
we're lucky because
04:52
obviously we got involved in
04:54
that stop people being social.
04:55  Wayne
I think a lot of the time
04:57  Trev
indeed Yeah, did not
04:57
people were just finding
04:59
friends. Online, they play video
04:59
games. Yeah. You know, they were
05:04
claiming they were their
05:04
friends. They never met these
05:06
people every night but I suppose
05:06
it's no different than being a
05:10
fellow in the pub. Is it really
05:12  Wayne
not not really it's just
05:12
a shame that some of them social
05:14
skills hopefully they don't
05:14
disappear completely that you
05:17
know the actual act of meeting.
05:17
But you're right I mean,
05:20
especially during the times
05:20
we've had recently the lockdown
05:23
it's been a godsend to be able
05:23
to have a technology, isn't it?
05:26  Trev
But the only way when we
05:26
were kids you played a video
05:29
game with his friend was if they
05:29
were sitting on the couch with
05:31
you. Yeah, you and you are lucky
05:31
enough to have two two
05:36
joysticks. That's right. Yeah.
05:36
They come with the funny thing
05:39
is as well back then, though, if
05:39
you bought a console, everything
05:43
came with it that you didn't.
05:44  Wayne
Yes. Yeah, you did
05:44
everything. Yeah.
05:47  Trev
Once you bought the
05:47
package, you virtually had
05:49
everything you needed. Now you
05:49
get the least you could get with
05:53
it. And then you have to borrow
05:53
the extra shot. I think that's a
05:55
major con. Yeah.
05:57  Wayne
It's a bit like
05:57
everything has now gone to a
05:59
subscription model rather than
05:59
just buying the software or
06:01
something. Yeah. If they want to
06:01
keep getting money out of you.
06:04
Yeah. Yeah, you can understand
06:04
it's marketing, isn't it?
06:11  Trev
Exactly.
06:13  Wayne
But talking of the
06:13
history of a traveler you are
06:15
did you start off with an Atari?
06:15
2600?
06:18  Trev
Yeah, sign up with an
06:18
Atari as I in television at a
06:22
colecovision I was made.
06:26
Yeah, I liked as a kid. I loved
06:26
it was something that I did
06:31
obviously after the game
06:31
consoles. The Hong Kong
06:34
computers come in I was a
06:34
spectrum kid. But the weird
06:37
thing is with me we've got with
06:37
video gaming and console stuff
06:41
was I was either one or the
06:41
other a bit like when we spoke
06:44
about films and mother being a
06:44
Star Trek fan or a Star Wars
06:47
fan. I was like that with video
06:47
games with especially like
06:51
computers. I was a spectrum kid.
06:51
I think you were as well. Was
06:54
Yeah, the 48 other kids. Yeah.
06:54
And but you had other kids that
06:57
were Commodore and there was a
06:57
divide there wasn't there. Yeah,
07:00
the
07:00  Wayne
games was a Commodore was
07:00
to be fair, better. represented
07:04
games better, but the spectrum
07:04
was cooler in our kind of way.
07:07  Trev
I think the spectrum was
07:07
colder because it was quite DIY.
07:11
It was like a gorilla. Yes. T
07:11
games. Computers, wasn't it you
07:17
could hack in a very deal. You
07:17
could hack it. You can even plug
07:21
joysticks even could you get
07:21
into fights? That's right. Yeah.
07:24
Yeah. That's what we did. Which
07:24
was like now you just think what
07:29
they didn't even have the
07:29
ability to?
07:30  Wayne
Well, that's the funny
07:30
thing. We went from Atari, which
07:33
was a you put a cartridge in and
07:33
it's instant, to actually having
07:37
to load a game with a tape
07:37
recorder for six minutes. Boys.
07:41
Yeah, I wouldn't do it. But
07:41
after last week's
07:46  Trev
tell me to do it.
07:47  Wayne
Yeah, please do. I do.
07:47
Too many white coats, please.
07:55
Yes,
07:55  Trev
I should have another
07:55
drink.
07:57  Wayne
No, but you're right. You
07:57
had six minutes of a horrible
08:00
noise of data going into the and
08:00
then it would Hello.
08:04  Trev
How fast will it be to see
08:04
you there watching it? Because
08:08
you get but you need you know
08:08
that it wasn't loaded? If the
08:11
loading screen come up or funny
08:11
colors? Yes, Marshall. Stop it,
08:14
then. Yes, that's right. It will
08:14
get right to the end, wouldn't
08:17
it? Yeah. And then just fire or
08:17
go back there for like seven or
08:21
eight minutes.
08:22  Wayne
But what was that? Was
08:22
that just was it because the
08:24
spectrum could do better
08:24
graphics and graphics more than
08:27
Atari? But no, but why did we go
08:27
from a cartridge based system to
08:34
basically one where we had to me
08:34
it was it?
08:39  Trev
Is the cassette version?
08:39
for this?
08:42  Wayne
Yeah, the Yeah, the
08:45  Trev
bootlegging and copying
08:45
wasn't it?
08:47  Wayne
Yeah, it was. Yeah,
08:47
that's
08:48  Trev
right. We may not one of
08:48
you could buy that game. And as
08:52
long as you add a tape to tape,
08:52
tape recorder, you could pirate
08:57
them. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I 90
08:57
minute tapes, but really good
09:02
quality metal compilations
09:04  Wayne
of games
09:04  Trev
of guns that I had, like,
09:04
I tested loads of different tape
09:09
recorders to see which was
09:09
wonderful glows the best games.
09:14  Wayne
How did you find the
09:14
number two second, it would be a
09:16
nightmare to try and find the
09:16
second game on the disk. The
09:19
disk to tape, wouldn't it?
09:20  Trev
You know how you should do
09:20
that? Oh, I should write down
09:23
where it is. Yeah. Yes. I used
09:23
to do that. Why? How I was I as
09:27
a kid. He's just slide. Yes. I
09:27
can even remember the local
09:32
shopping South End the best
09:32
computer stations or software
09:35
plus. Patience was a camera
09:35
shop. Yes. Yeah. But it had a
09:41
room at the back where it just
09:41
had all these computer game
09:44
software's and Aladdin's cave
09:46  Wayne
if
09:47  Trev
you remember how they were
09:47
stacked as well. Yes, gosh. Oh,
09:50
and he touched one of them. I'm
09:50
not one of them over. He would
09:53
knock them all.
09:54  Wayne
I was always looking in
09:54
the bargain bin Trevor's, you
09:56
know, I was walking up with a
09:56
mafia
09:59  Unknown
190
10:00  Wayne
One on one special was
10:00
the revenge of the C five and
10:02
stuff. Yeah.
10:03  Trev
Oh really? Yeah. Finders
10:03
keepers and those kind of That's
10:06
the one.
10:06  Wayne
Yeah, the adventure games
10:06
we just said turn left here and
10:09
yeah.
10:11  Trev
That's bizarre that we
10:11
went over to cassette base
10:14
stuff.
10:14  Wayne
Yeah, I don't know. I'm
10:14
trying to obviously the graphics
10:16
had improved slightly from the
10:16
Atari. Yeah, but we have many
10:21
years of that before there was
10:21
that generation with the and
10:24
then it went to amigas, didn't
10:24
it? Yeah, well, when did they
10:28
already know it was the snez?
10:28
Was it the entire Nintendo in
10:34
the entertainment system? And
10:34
the Master said you weren't
10:36
really a Sega guy though. It was
10:36
you? Yeah, it was. Yeah, I
10:39  Trev
was more than a year I
10:39
was. I've never been I to this
10:42
day. I've not I've been tendo
10:42
Xbox now. Again, I've got that
10:47
kind of thing. You're either one
10:47
or the other. Yeah, I've known
10:49
I've known guys that tried to
10:49
have every game console even the
10:53
handheld ones, which would just
10:53
useless Well, yeah, I really
10:57
tried to catch on. I know the
10:57
game boys. Monday, you've got
11:00
still got rubbish. If you really
11:00
I attended the best one I
11:03
thought was the Game Gear.
11:05  Wayne
Yeah, that was okay. That
11:06  Trev
was good. I remember the
11:06
animation and principles. You've
11:09
been really good for such a
11:09
small piece of gear. But the
11:14
weird thing was, it was
11:14
handheld. But then you'd stick a
11:18
big magnifying glass on it and a
11:18
magnifying glass. Like a front.
11:23
Yeah, that's just making huge.
11:23
Yeah, it's not really handheld
11:26
anymore. Is it? No. Okay, the
11:26
handheld gaming thing just
11:31
didn't pass it.
11:32  Wayne
But it's still I mean,
11:32
obviously, now that cross
11:35
crossover is the Nintendo Switch
11:35
up to date now. You've got one
11:39
of Harrison, boys go on. Sorry.
11:39
But you know, I can see the
11:45
appeal. I mean, the games are
11:45
good. They're exactly same as
11:47
what you remember. I'm just
11:47
better graphics. So I mean, it's
11:50
super mario and things but in
11:50
3d, I
11:53  Trev
think a bit like movies. I
11:53
I just didn't like the idea of
11:58
playing childish characters.
12:00  Wayne
No.
12:02  Trev
Yeah, I, as soon as not
12:02
the more serious games coming
12:06
out, like kind of silent here or
12:06
Resident Evil. I was all about
12:10
them. Yeah, no, I think probably
12:10
the biggest one for me. And you
12:14
because we rely, you know,
12:15  Wayne
early 20s Metal Gear
12:15
Solid, Metal
12:17  Trev
Gear Solid band that
12:17
changed our lives. I
12:20  Wayne
think i think i think
12:20
it's safe to say that we're
12:22
getting in it. We we weren't
12:22
quite as relaxed as we are now
12:26
as you can tell. And in M days.
12:26
I remember we had this kind of
12:30
competition that we hadn't
12:30
actually set out. But we want
12:32
you to be the first one to
12:32
finish it. So used to go home.
12:36
And I'd be planning all night
12:36
just not having any dinner. I'll
12:39
be I mean, I'm not young. I'm
12:39
about 28 years old now. But no
12:44
responsibilities going home. Try
12:44
playing it and then I'd get a
12:48
text or something from trips and
12:48
I'm right at the last screen and
12:51
I'm like near enough there as
12:51
well. When it would be like
12:54
three in the morning trying to
12:54
get this done.
12:56  Trev
That changed everything
12:56
that game for us. Brilliant. And
13:00
then there was another guy
13:00
syphon filter. Yes. Good is
13:03
worried a fund really wide.
13:06  Wayne
The ps1 changed it
13:06
massively.
13:09  Trev
Yeah, I got one the day it
13:09
was released. Yeah. Which is a
13:13
bit i got i haven't got a PS
13:13
five year I know you're trying
13:16
to source one for us. Yeah, but
13:16
I haven't got one in normally. I
13:22
buy these consoles as soon as
13:22
they come out. All the rest of
13:26
them the PS two ps3 ps4. I've
13:26
had them die of release. I think
13:31
Sony have really you need to get
13:31
x bought the new Xbox. Yeah,
13:36  Wayne
a bit easier, but they're
13:36
still there. So a lot of it's
13:38
obviously to do with the current
13:38
situation but the the player spy
13:42
has outsold to ps4 even though
13:42
that was hard to get hold of buy
13:46
a four to one. It's really under
13:46
I don't know if they do it on
13:50
purpose just to create some kind
13:50
of weird demand.
13:53  Trev
So yeah, I
13:54  Wayne
because why didn't they
13:54
just get enough ready before
13:56
they know that it was gonna be
13:57  Trev
just doesn't make sense.
14:00  Wayne
Because there's more of
14:00
them. But as people who were
14:02
there, they the way they look is
14:02
the people that are on the fence
14:04
will get caught up in the
14:04
desperation of it and want to
14:08
buy it. Now I asked. He's caught
14:08
me from being on history because
14:11
I wasn't there. And then all of
14:11
a sudden, some I saw somebody
14:14
else buy one. Where'd you get
14:14
that from? Oh, I got it from
14:16
him. And then I'm like, Oh, I
14:16
must get one and I'm tapping
14:18
away refreshing. Yeah, I'm 5950
14:18
years old, nearly.
14:25  Trev
I would have been a lot
14:25
more polling. If there would
14:28
have been a game on that was
14:28
released with it all came out
14:32
the same time was released the
14:32
PS five, that was so
14:35
spectacular,
14:36
that I had to get if it was
14:36
Metal Gear Solid versus Cypher
14:39
filter.
14:42
They just looked incredible.
14:42
There isn't to me.
14:46  Wayne
No, they look great. I
14:46
don't think the jump in this
14:48
generation is going to be as
14:48
much as some of the others to be
14:51
fair, you've got to have all the
14:51
hardware to be able to display
14:54
it right. So if you haven't got
14:54
an eight to 100 hertz TV with
14:57
eight k capabilities and a 2.1
14:57
HDMI, you know, you're not going
15:02
to get the full benefit of it
15:02
anyway,
15:03  Trev
that's the problem, isn't
15:03
it? They want a big mass market.
15:07
But they've got to keep the
15:07
technology so advanced that
15:10
sometimes people aren't as fast
15:10
with it. Know, they kind of get
15:13
left out. Yeah, I think that's a
15:13
bit you know, but then they're
15:17
not going consoles anymore.
15:17
Their home entertainment
15:20
systems. Yeah, because they've
15:20
got the Netflix is built in 4k,
15:26
4k DVD or Blu ray player all
15:26
night.
15:28  Wayne
But can I make a plea to
15:28
everyone don't please don't
15:31
invest. When we know you got
15:31
enjoying playing your games,
15:35
please don't invest in one of
15:35
these digital only once
15:37
versions. Because really, what
15:37
that's doing away with what they
15:40
want us to do is basically stop
15:40
being able to trade in our
15:43
games, because then you'll buy
15:43
the game once no stuck with it,
15:46
you're gonna just have to delete
15:46
it. You can't use that to invest
15:49
in a different game. So I'm
15:49
waiting for the dispersion.
15:53
Yeah, exactly. And that's the
15:53
way you can tell that's where
15:56
they want us to go with it.
15:56
Because then they've got it.
15:59
They can't sell anything. So you
15:59
can be buying more games?
16:02  Trev
Yeah, I think that's what
16:02
people say. And it's kind of the
16:05
storage space. Everyone discs
16:05
everywhere, because I don't
16:08
actually buy very many games.
16:08
No, you
16:11  Wayne
rent them down. You know,
16:12  Trev
I've read them. Are you
16:12
gonna do that? And if so, did
16:15
you was it? This is it? I don't
16:15
know. You can stream guys,
16:18  Wayne
I suppose.
16:19  Trev
Yeah. Because Yeah, yeah.
16:19
But the weird thing is good. I'm
16:21
so crap. I find I get so
16:21
frustrated with him. And back in
16:26
the day, if you spent 45 quid on
16:26
one. You were sort of got to
16:32
play at that level, because you
16:32
pay that money. Now where I've
16:36
read them. I'm like that stuff
16:36
that I'm looking wound up with
16:39
that. I just put it back in the
16:39
envelope and send it back. Yeah.
16:43
I noticed the games that came
16:43
out for the PS five and first
16:46
Well, they 5060 quid Yeah. Yeah.
16:50  Wayne
Yeah, they're good. They
16:50
think that they could get away
16:51
with it. But yeah, you could
16:51
start picking them up already
16:53
for 45 an hour 40 quid for the
16:53
most of the the launch ones, but
16:58
I always wait. Now I don't want
16:58
to split that. You said, you
17:01
don't play a game to death
17:01
anymore. They're very old few.
17:04
So you hardly get your money's
17:04
worth out of it. But especially
17:07
at our age, so many things you
17:07
want to be doing and you know,
17:10
enjoying your time. You can't
17:10
invest it all in a computer game
17:13
as much as some games you play.
17:15  Trev
Yeah, going back to the
17:15
nostalgia trip of it. You know
17:18
what, what else really sold me
17:18
as a computer guy kid? was
17:22
seeing the movie troll? Oh, yes,
17:22
definitely.
17:25  Wayne
That pulled me right. We
17:25
spoke about that in last week's
17:28
episode. And we
17:29  Trev
Yeah, really the arcade
17:29
game but the film was just
17:35
great. You know, raise your
17:35
interest. by by by weird man
17:39
crush love affair with Jeff
17:39
Bridges, who I hope is doing
17:42
better now. And I was
17:45  Unknown
like, Yeah,
17:45  Trev
yeah, that's great. But
17:45
yeah, yeah, that might have
17:49
started that off. But yeah, tron
17:49
was a real big, big thing for
17:52
me. And hence why now.
17:54  Wayne
You know, we're
17:54
approaching where we now midlife
17:57
and we're still enjoying these
17:57
games. Actually, I've got some a
18:00
couple of stats trivia is 10%
18:00
overall, is just a UK but I
18:06
mean, it's pretty typical for
18:06
the rest of the world as well.
18:08
10% of 45 to 54 year olds
18:08
regularly buy into games 10% one
18:13
in 10 I think that's quite hot
18:13
for our age group because often
18:17
seems like we're different to
18:17
other people. But the biggest
18:21
age group as you can probably
18:21
imagine a 16 to 24 but there's
18:24
still people now Yeah, I don't
18:24
class on the phones as video
18:28
gaming. I know that everyone if
18:28
you included people to
18:31  Trev
be I don't. I amazes me, I
18:31
don't actually have one game on
18:37
my phone. No, it doesn't. It's
18:37
not interesting.
18:41
I can see why people do. But I
18:41
just I don't know. I think what
18:49
it is with me, I've always been
18:49
video game wise, I really want
18:52
to invest myself into it. The
18:52
other thing I'd like to hear if
18:58
we have got any lady listeners
18:58
is if any other girls or ladies
19:03
play video games, please contact
19:03
us and tell us what your
19:07
favorite games are. Because
19:07
there's a big market for that
19:12
one isn't their female?
19:13  Wayne
Yeah, that's one of the
19:13
growing segments so yeah, if
19:17
female and older Yeah.
19:19  Trev
When we were kids no go
19:19
No, go play video games, did
19:23  Wayne
they? They've aimed game
19:23
specifically because I think
19:26
things like Lara Croft were
19:26
intended to resonate with women
19:30
powerful women characters. No,
19:30
no no hitting the wall for hours
19:34
on end and inside you know,
19:34
restoration I personify. Yes.
19:40  Trev
So you when you talk about
19:40
color, Julia color things that
19:42
really gets I remember a band
19:42
playing Call of Duty was how
19:46
like, we'd stay up to be online.
19:46
Yeah. Yeah, we have to get up
19:52
and work off six. And I still be
19:52
planning at four in the morning.
19:56
Just couldn't.
19:57  Wayne
Time has no meaning.
20:01  Trev
Oh, honestly,
20:02  Wayne
which games about half an
20:02
hour? Isn't it?
20:06  Trev
Yeah. Did you get a you
20:06
feel like you hear in a clan or
20:10
you feel like you're letting
20:10
your team down if you
20:13
disappeared? Yeah, well, yeah,
20:13
yeah, that was the thing you
20:16
feel like you would like. And I
20:16
honestly, I'd be sitting there
20:20
with what dinner? Just going
20:20
coke. Like just sitting there
20:24
and touched it honestly, when
20:24
you're that invested in
20:28
something, it just feels like
20:28
yeah, that was a
20:31  Wayne
I would we be doing
20:31
without it? I live in a normal
20:35
life, I guess I don't know.
20:38  Trev
Unless you live? Yeah,
20:38
exactly. I don't really. But
20:44
I've known people, good friends
20:44
that I play with play Call of
20:48
Duty with. And because I taken
20:48
their care package. Recently,
20:55
yeah. It's video guy. I
20:55
appreciate you and like you get
21:02
absorbed. But really, you just
21:07  Wayne
think that's why we give
21:07
up a lot of things in the past.
21:10
That's a different subject. But
21:10
when people start getting funny
21:12
review, I think it's time to
21:12
drop the team sports, isn't it?
21:15
But I think it is talking about
21:15
it. That's not a team sport,
21:18
Trevor, and it's just for you.
21:18
Yeah, I think it's that time of
21:20
the week for his test drive
21:20
time. So real reason I didn't
21:28
want to mention some of these
21:28
consoles early like
21:30  Trev
console knowledge isn't
21:30
required.
21:32  Wayne
I've made actually the
21:32
first one. I wouldn't expect
21:35
many people to get this it looks
21:35
like a bit of a trick question.
21:38
But again, these these these
21:38
segments more to inform everyone
21:41
once we get the answer. So
21:41
number one, question one, what
21:44
was the first publicly released
21:44
video game console ever made?
21:48
And it's a multiple choice trip.
21:48
So we got a choice. We've got a
21:53
choice of Pong, Atari 2626 2600
21:53
Magnavox Odyssey, Nintendo
22:00
Entertainment System. So what
22:00
was the first publicly released
22:04
video game console Pong Atari
22:04
Magnavox Odyssey, so it wasn't
22:10
making me laugh every time. It
22:10
sounds like James Bond. Magnavox
22:18
Odyssey let me give you a hint.
22:18
Do what you normally do. When
22:25
you do in this segment.
22:31  Unknown
Go for sleep.
22:32  Wayne
Go for Magnavox Odyssey
22:32
are you?
22:35  Unknown
Yeah, you are you are?
22:35
Probably.
22:41  Wayne
Yeah, because you always
22:41
say you the one that sounds a
22:43
bit. Well, I hadn't when I
22:43
researched this. I thought it
22:48
was Paul was
22:49  Trev
gonna use this machine. I
22:49
looked at our house. He
22:54  Wayne
was released the Magnavox
22:54
Odyssey was released in 1972.
22:58
The system actually came with
22:58
removable TV screens that you
23:01
could put on the Magnavox TVs to
23:01
enhance the graphics 1972 with
23:05
we were one. So you know,
23:05
really, when we think
23:09  Trev
of documentaries. I did.
23:09
I've watched a lot of
23:11
documentaries about video games
23:11
and stuff like that. Because I
23:15
just love the old sort of 70s
23:15
the Atari Games. Yeah. You know,
23:20  Wayne
that was Pong, wasn't it?
23:20
Atari was Pong. Yeah.
23:23  Trev
You saw the guys they got
23:23
they take a picture their office
23:26
when they were working on these
23:26
like big computers. And then
23:29
they just looked like the Doobie
23:29
Brothers. Video games, always
23:34
handlebar mustaches, the ringer
23:34
t shirt seven nine reassigned to
23:39
the sort of short sidelight
23:39
really kind of high?
23:42  Wayne
Actually, if you want to
23:42
see what he's referring to go to
23:46
it, we'll put it on the website.
23:46
I think actually, if you go to
23:50
our Instagram page of midlife,
23:50
less ordinary podcast, and
23:53
you'll see trade on there in a
23:53
very entertaining and very
23:56  Trev
yet with really kind of
23:56
highly harsh
24:00  Wayne
reality. That is
24:00
definitely another story. But
24:03
the question to Trev what system
24:03
was mistakenly referred to as
24:08
the first game system and was a
24:08
home to some of the most popular
24:12
arcade games like Space Invaders
24:12
and asteroids, and your choices
24:16
are? Sega Master System, Atari
24:16
5200, Atari 2600 and
24:23
Intellivision. Now I think you
24:23
must get this one right.
24:27  Trev
I knew you'd put to Atari
24:27
is definitely one of them. It's
24:32
a 2600
24:35  Unknown
Yes.
24:37  Wayne
Well done. Yeah, I knew
24:37
you'd get that one. But yeah, I
24:40  Trev
need to see one Atari I
24:40
don't know he straight away.
24:43  Wayne
Yeah, exactly. No
24:43
spacing. Remember playing Space
24:47
Invaders on it in 1970 tare
24:47
Gaiden to me ever.
24:52  Trev
And obviously like
24:52
everything, River Road.
24:56
Everything was Activision.
24:56
anything good for the Atari was
24:59
Activision kaboom, kaboom.
25:01  Wayne
Yeah, that's it. That's a
25:01
couple of days
25:03  Trev
on. That was one of the
25:03
only games I think I've ever
25:06
used a pound for. Remember
25:06
paddles? Yeah. pedals. Yeah.
25:09
They were the kind of the
25:09
circular controllers. absolutely
25:14
useless for everything apart
25:14
from kabu
25:17  Wayne
1977. I didn't realize
25:17
that there was the target versus
25:20
now. 2600. I think kabooms 80s.
25:20
Wasn't the early 80s.
25:23  Trev
Yeah. pitfall and kaboom.
25:23
Kaboom. was a was a Masters type
25:27
of game played it. Look it up on
25:27
YouTube. Yeah. It had the most
25:31
basic present ever, but to say
25:31
was addictive. And to say it was
25:36
a challenge was an
25:36
understatement. Did you ever
25:38
take a picture talking to
25:38
pitfall? Did you ever take a
25:40
picture of you completing
25:40
pitfall with that job?
25:43  Wayne
So you could said Oh, I
25:43
know that that was a thing.
25:45
Yeah.
25:46  Unknown
I did it. Yeah, I did
25:46
it. I
25:47  Wayne
said, I probably couldn't
25:47
afford a camera. And a window.
25:52
Yeah, exactly. No, that cost a
25:52
bit of a theme developing here.
25:55
Like I was something Yeah. Don't
25:55
send.
26:00  Trev
Don't say, Yeah, don't
26:00
wind down the mind.
26:04  Wayne
Don't do it now. It's
26:04
fine.
26:10  Trev
If you're a Video Game
26:10
Nerd, and you've never someone's
26:13
actually lent me I know he
26:13
listens to this. He's lent me
26:16
his research. He lent me one of
26:16
those Raspberry Pi's. Do you
26:19
know what they are? Oh, yeah,
26:19
no, we
26:20  Wayne
mentioned it on last
26:20
week's episode. Yeah,
26:22  Trev
I haven't. I've only used
26:22
it once. And I tell you what, as
26:26
good as these old games are,
26:26
they are so frustrating to pi.
26:29  Wayne
Yeah, much more
26:29
difficult.
26:31  Trev
Because they're so
26:31
unresponsive. We're so spoiled
26:36
with, like, how responsive video
26:36
games are now, what do you play
26:39
older ones, but sometimes
26:41  Wayne
the emulation isn't quite
26:41
as good as they originally
26:43
intended to play on a big old
26:43
CRT. Tilak TV type screen, not a
26:47
flat screen and all that and
26:47
emulation can't quite capture
26:51
that. But still, it's still got
26:51
that nostalgia feeling, which is
26:54
always good. Especially when
26:54
Yeah,
26:56  Unknown
you know exactly. Next
26:56
question.
26:58  Wayne
Yeah, question for what
26:58
system can play video games,
27:02
music and even use it for
27:02
education, but did not sell well
27:06
because of the games and high
27:06
price. And I knew this one. I
27:10
multi game 11 the Philips CDi, C
27:10
Sega CD, or Honda in car system?
27:18
Oh yeah, that's likely 100
27:18
Garcia What the hell is that?
27:23  Trev
Yeah. So let's get rid of
27:23
that one. Philips, CDI,
27:29  Wayne
Sega CD or multi game 11.
27:29
And you could do video games,
27:33
music and even use it for
27:33
education. And I knew this
27:36
because I
27:36  Unknown
wanted to really?
27:38  Wayne
Yeah, I knew I knew. I
27:38
knew the answer to it. Yeah,
27:40
when I done it, but
27:43  Trev
I've got a clue.
27:44  Wayne
which one you're going
27:44
for multigame 11 Philips CDi or
27:48
Sega CD which we're doing away
27:48
with the Honda in car system.
27:53
Which one you
27:54  Trev
just say one through a
27:54
Sega CD?
28:00  Wayne
Is the Philips cd cdis
28:00
yeah used to see in the Argos
28:04
catalog again that's been
28:04
referenced multi catalog and he
28:07
had to remember that you say can
28:07
help you with your home nice to
28:10
think oh, I used to do my
28:10
homework anyway, but
28:13  Trev
he said that I'm glad you
28:13
said the Argos catalog and
28:17
didn't say this catalog because
28:17
if I need to get the case Carla
28:23
I know Yes.
28:27  Wayne
A key to accessible Yeah,
28:27
get
28:29  Trev
your case was to look at
28:29
the bra and panties. And I still
28:33
do I still do it now
28:34  Wayne
well there's a very fine
28:34
line between the age you are
28:37
when you're sort of flicking
28:37
through and thinking that's a
28:38
boring section so then all of a
28:38
sudden, then pages are all like
28:42
creased up and everything Yes.
28:44  Trev
I'm gonna say stuck
28:44
together.
28:45  Wayne
I do think that alright
28:45
moving on Question four. What
28:49
was one of the first game
28:49
systems that actually enabled in
28:52
internet connection and was
28:52
known to have really good
28:55
graphics at the time some of the
28:55
classics but system and owners
28:59
Sonic Adventure and House of the
28:59
Dead to this is quite easy.
29:03
There is no CIE there is no
29:03
system like that. Is that one be
29:08
Sega Dreamcast, see PlayStation
29:08
two, or D The Sega CD.
29:20
I knew this one as well. And I
29:20
still got one and I'll tell you
29:22
what, it's a brilliant console.
29:22
And it's 22 years old. Yes. I've
29:26
still got one and I'll tell you
29:26
what.
29:28  Trev
I shouldn't do on it.
29:29  Wayne
Yeah, well Shenmue should
29:29
live in its time as a brilliant
29:32
game on the Dreamcast is nothing
29:32
it's rubbish on the ps4.
29:36  Trev
Yeah, what? Yeah, I got
29:36
that. The bizarre thing we
29:39
Shenmue was that one point you
29:39
were driving a forklift?
29:42  Wayne
Yeah. No, but I quite
29:42
enjoyed
29:46  Unknown
it at work. Yeah, I
29:47  Wayne
know. But sometimes the
29:47
Yeah, well, you can say in Grand
29:50
Theft Auto, you know, I better
29:50
not go there. Yeah. But you
29:55
know, there's plenty of things
29:55
you can do there that I wouldn't
29:56
do in our daily life, you know,
29:56
but yeah, there's so much
30:00
Dreamcast if you can find one of
30:00
them cheap I tell you what for
30:03
arcade kind of crazy taxi games
30:03
like that great fun Yeah, it
30:07
was. It was in the middle and
30:07
with drag it out and we put it
30:10
on a planet for hours. Just
30:10
really good fun the graphics of
30:14
his time.
30:15  Trev
I think they would the
30:15
neogeo of that generation. Yes.
30:19
And neogeo I remember that being
30:19
like a difficult console.
30:23
Because it was when we were
30:23
kids. It was so expensive. To
30:28
me, the only place you could get
30:28
games was London. Yes. And
30:32
there's a scene scene that the
30:32
game boxes in Oxford Street when
30:37
I was I went out there my
30:37
family, and you'd be like,
30:39
that's the neogeo you know, that
30:39
was because it actually looked
30:42
like graphically like a real
30:42
arcade machine.
30:45  Wayne
Yeah, I'm trying to find
30:45
it on the timeline. I've got in
30:48
front of me like trying to find
30:48
my neck came out but you had the
30:52
Calico vision trip to do by the
30:52
collega? So that's at the same
30:55
time as Atari 5200 in the NBA, I
30:57  Trev
hate it. I'd snuff that
30:57
was a bit I think wasn't it?
31:02
Yes. Right. Yeah, vision might
31:02
find Zach's in on it. I differ
31:07
generations issue. Yeah, pole
31:07
position with the steering
31:11
wheel. Yeah, that was a really
31:11
good system that really looked
31:15
like an arcade machine.
31:17  Unknown
Yes,
31:18  Trev
that would that was
31:18
something else that really was
31:20  Wayne
I don't remember much
31:20
about the Atari 5200 you
31:24  Trev
know, I don't really get
31:24
as soon as you say a little bit
31:27
of trivia. Testing you a bit Do
31:27
you know what the the Atari logo
31:33
is from?
31:36  Wayne
I'm gonna say no because
31:36
I couldn't describe it but I ID
31:39
I know it but you know when you
31:39
put me under pressure and I'm
31:42
not we haven't done test wine
31:42
before so
31:45  Trev
mount Mount Fuji I believe
31:45
so the mountain isn't it?
31:52  Wayne
Yes it again that
31:52
documentary you referenced I
31:54
think that describes something
31:54
to do with
31:56  Trev
you if anybody watched
31:56
that that was really good.
31:58  Wayne
I really liked I've come
31:58
in boys called we should have
32:00
really looked at but we can put
32:00
it on the show notes after this.
32:03
Yeah, that's very good. Yeah,
32:05  Trev
but you know, going back
32:05
to that that kind of adventure
32:08
the last version what was the
32:08
game with it the sort of
32:12
survivor thing with the girl and
32:12
the boy the last Last of Us that
32:17
was lucky this year. Well that
32:17
was quite emotional. The new one
32:20
I found really boring. Yeah, so
32:22  Unknown
a lot of people have
32:22
said that I don't know yeah,
32:24
just moved on in a cinematic
32:26  Trev
Yeah, just to epic. They
32:26
just tried too hard. It was just
32:29
like
32:29  Wayne
a slog to play these
32:29
games are are aimed at people of
32:34
our age really, aren't they?
32:34
They just get me from playing
32:37
them they they you know they're
32:37
not for kids really usually get
32:40
the the kids are playing the
32:40
light and stuff.
32:43  Trev
Yeah, they have it they
32:43
remember they made really big
32:45
actors didn't know doing the
32:45
voiceovers. Gary Oldman,
32:50  Wayne
and Kevin Spacey, and the
32:50
one hour London Craig febrace,
32:54
as well.
32:56  Trev
As is Come on.
32:59  Wayne
Yeah, if you didn't know.
33:03  Trev
you'd let your kids knew a
33:03
game console where Kevin Spacey
33:06
was involved. No. No.
33:10  Wayne
He told him great films
33:10
even going I can't even watch
33:13
it. Not just See No Evil Hear No
33:13
Evil with it.
33:18  Unknown
With a mobile Yeah,
33:21  Wayne
exactly. But sorry.
33:21
That's a definitely another
33:23
topic. But what games? Have you
33:23
I mean, you probably play more
33:27
than I do. I have spells we
33:27
playing games I've enjoyed
33:29
playing just caught up playing
33:29
and the later redos of Resident
33:33
Evil, which I loved. absolutely
33:33
loved playing them again. I've
33:35
done two and three are just
33:37  Trev
so good readers. I was
33:37
playing the new mafia today. And
33:42
they've just redone the old one
33:42
to be really good. But it does
33:47
feel a bit dated worm. I really
33:47
enjoyed Assassin's Creed
33:51
Valhalla. Yes. looks amazing.
33:51
But the problem with it is, is
33:57
Vikings aren't really assassins
33:57
so the kind of game plot doesn't
34:02
really work that well.
34:05  Wayne
They're not doing the
34:05
Godfather though Trevor though
34:07
it's just entertainment and
34:09  Trev
well yeah, but he doesn't
34:09
he takes you away from the
34:11
actual
34:12  Wayne
I suppose if you're
34:12
trying to immerse yourself in
34:14
some it Yeah,
34:15  Trev
well, the thing is
34:15
Assassin's Creed though is
34:17
supposed to be kind of assassins
34:17
and still. And you're like a big
34:22
Viking sort of struggling about
34:22
so it does take it away from
34:26
that but I enjoyed that. I can't
34:26
say a lot for the new ps4 games.
34:30
I haven't got one. But again,
34:30
but do you need another Spider
34:35
Man game?
34:36  Wayne
Well, sadly I really
34:36
wouldn't but it looks great. I
34:39
mean the actual you know the
34:39
gameplay and everything you
34:41
know, it's not for me, I've
34:42  Trev
never I may not know. But
34:42
normally when these games when
34:46
they look great, the gameplay
34:46
nobody suffers. Exactly. That.
34:51
So some of
34:51  Wayne
the best games that some
34:51
of the worst graphics superhero
34:54
games in general. I don't think
34:54
they're
34:58  Trev
tough. Yeah, they
34:59  Wayne
just don't try For 10
34:59
minutes, but we've been playing
35:01
16 years.
35:02  Trev
Yeah, yeah, the new
35:02
Avenger game is like that. It's
35:05
just like, Oh, okay. No, no.
35:05
Yeah, I
35:08  Wayne
don't know. So I think
35:08
maybe we should come up to the
35:12
summary and summarize on what we
35:12
think about video games in the
35:15
midlife truth. So, playing games
35:15
is definitely cool. Because
35:24
we're always gonna say
35:24
anything's cool. We don't be
35:28
biased. But it's good fun. It's
35:28
escapism from your daily ins and
35:34
outs. Immerse yourself in a game
35:34
if
35:36  Trev
you've got, too. Don't get
35:36
too connected with it, though.
35:40  Wayne
Yeah, in my opinion, Mona
35:40
Trevor's, he steals your care
35:43
package is what he's trying to
35:43
say.
35:46  Trev
Yeah, because I've got you
35:46
killed on Korra juice. Yeah, I
35:50
know that. The thing is, I think
35:50
people are and that's what the
35:54
companies want. They want you to
35:54
get that immerse that you've got
35:57
a buyer, the new add on
35:58  Wayne
the idling sort of thing.
35:58
Yeah,
36:00  Trev
exactly. That's the
36:00
theory. He's getting to the
36:01
point where you can't I'm only
36:01
play fortnight once. You've
36:05
probably played it. A lot. Yeah.
36:05
A little one there.
36:10  Wayne
Again, but he wants me to
36:10
never pay for an add on.
36:13  Trev
Some of these games are
36:13
going to get to the point where
36:15
you can't play them.
36:16  Wayne
Now. That's right. They
36:16
do it on purpose. Yeah, they do.
36:18
So you cannot get any further
36:18
right. No. One always wants to
36:22
use his pocket money for buying
36:22
add ons to games, you know, and
36:25
I tried to teach him that it's
36:25
not good. buy another game out
36:28
of it. You know, Surely there's
36:28
I'm old
36:30  Trev
school challenge. Yeah,
36:30
the challenge should be, you'll
36:33
get rewarded for playing it not
36:33
for but then that's marketing.
36:36
But yeah, I think he's
36:36
definitely cold. As long as you
36:39
don't get too immersed in and
36:39
where and if you can wear a T
36:42
shirt. You can wear an Atari t
36:42
shirt. That's cool. Oh, yeah, on
36:46
Atari too. So
36:47  Wayne
we do do a good job. I
36:47
said, Yeah, but yeah, but you
36:49
can't you can't get away with
36:49
that kind of retro cool. You
36:53
know, the gaming side. Even if
36:53
people don't got older consoles,
36:56
I think that's cool. I'm off to
36:56
the side to space out every
36:58
single console through the
36:58
generations.
37:00  Trev
If I had the money, and
37:00
I'd have like complete games
37:04
room with them all lined up on
37:04
separate screens, the regionals?
37:07  Wayne
Definitely, definitely.
37:07
So yeah. To summarize, if you're
37:10
playing games, or you want to
37:10
play, leave us a message on the
37:12
website, as always. Yeah, I mlo
37:12
podcast.com.
37:16  Trev
Yeah, leave a message
37:16
about how to get past the leader
37:23
skater track on guitar here, I
37:23
could never do that.
37:26  Wayne
guitar. Again, that's
37:26
another conversation for another
37:29
time. Great game, great fun.
37:29
epitomizes the whole console
37:33
generation and the add ons you
37:33
could buy though actually
37:35
worthwhile. The guitars.
37:37  Trev
So I met you while you
37:37
were talking about leaving
37:39
messages, which we should talk
37:39
about? No,
37:41  Wayne
no. Yeah, please do let
37:41
us know on the website. You can
37:43
leave comments now on every
37:43
episode page, a mlo podcast.com.
37:47
As always, leave us a voicemail.
37:47
Also, on our next season of
37:52
podcasts. We're doing specialist
37:52
subjects for different people.
37:55
Very interesting stuff. And
37:55
we're looking for people to join
37:59
us on it. So to do interviews.
37:59
Yeah. Any interest you'd like to
38:04
talk about you think adds value
38:04
to people? Yeah, any anything.
38:09
Anything that you know about?
38:09
Contact Us, you can either leave
38:11
us a message on the website or
38:11
leave a voicemail, and we'll get
38:15
back to you. And we'd love to
38:15
hear from you. So, to summarize
38:18
today's episode, thanks for
38:18
joining us, as always,
38:21  Trev
I'll show I feel like I'm
38:21
lagging now. That's game speak.
38:24
I'm lagging.
38:27  Wayne
We live in the country,
38:27
your internet connection, you're
38:29
lagging all the time, which is
38:29
another reason I don't play
38:31
them. Definitely, I'd like
38:31
everyone else. Yeah, it's
38:35
terrible. But I need to move
38:35
back to the city man. Move back
38:37
to the city. But thanks for
38:37
joining us, as always. It's been
38:41
great. This is actually the last
38:41
of this season. We'll revisit
38:47
some of these topics in the
38:47
future. Yeah. But say let us
38:50
know what you thought of them.
38:50
You know what, maybe what we
38:52
could do different or better.
38:52
Give us give us some such
38:57
suggestions and feedback. And
38:57
it's great. Thanks for joining
39:01
us, and we'll see you next
39:01
month. So thanks, everyone. Bye.
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