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episode 15: Life of An Actor: Act Richard Act! [transcript]



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 2021-04-18  49m
 
 
00:01  intro
You're listening to a mid
00:01
life less ordinary, the weekly
00:05
podcast giving you the lowdown
00:05
on becoming a cool older dude.
00:11
The good times are not a faded
00:11
memory. It's time to start
00:15
loving them again. And here are
00:15
your hosts Wayne and Trev. Yeah,
00:23
Hello
00:23  Wayne
everyone. Welcome to a
00:23
mid life less ordinary. And I'm
00:26
Wayne. Hello Trev
00:28  Trev
I am lycra made
00:32  Wayne
you get more random every
00:32
week. So for this week's subject
00:37
something that's close to our
00:37
hearts we've spoke about it
00:39
before. We love movies and
00:39
everything so we want you to get
00:42
an actor on a working actor that
00:42
is and we've been lucky enough
00:46
to get Richard our lawyers a
00:46
working actor. He's going to
00:49
tell us the life of an actor how
00:49
we get started. What kind of
00:53
jobs you get the reality of
00:53
being an actor basically. Yeah,
00:56
we didn't want anything to flash
00:56
we just wanted to Johnny Depp
00:59
when he came on and wanted to be
00:59
part of a because of his
01:02
problems elsewhere.
01:05  Trev
This is not what we
01:05
wanted. We wanted a real
01:07  Wayne
we wanted a real Yeah,
01:07
exactly. He's got a proper job.
01:11
Yeah, I mean, Richard said some
01:11
parts in riser the foot soldier
01:14
free Welcome to ravensword
01:14
amongst these credits, a lot of
01:18
theater work. And he and he can
01:18
basically anyone who's
01:21
interested in becoming an actor,
01:21
hopefully find out what life is
01:25
really like. So we hope you
01:25
enjoy our episode entitled life
01:29
of an actor act rigid act. And
01:29
today we have Richard with us
01:35
who's an actor and he's going to
01:35
tell us all about acting funny
01:39
enough
01:42  Richard
to not bore your
01:42
senseless with it because it's
01:46
you know, it's one of those
01:46
things some people find it
01:48
interesting. Some people don't
01:48
should have said hello at the
01:51
start. That would have been nice
01:51
without
01:54  Trev
welcome Richard.
01:55  Richard
I'm pretty sure I'll be
01:55
one of your biggest Gremlins.
01:57
Let's probably just get out of
01:57
the way nice.
02:01  Wayne
Gremlins Did you by the
02:01
way
02:03  Unknown
I'd love to God
02:07  Richard
about five years time
02:07
I'm up here I will put you down
02:10
for your
02:12  Trev
target job Danya cogs I've
02:12
got his number. Yeah.
02:17  Wayne
Get to meet Richard. My
02:17
first question to you would be
02:21
how did it all start for you? I
02:21
mean, wasn't the casting couch
02:24
was
02:27  Richard
oddly enough. Never
02:27
been too much. If you ever see
02:34
my if you ever see my headshot
02:34
you'll understand why. No. Give
02:38
it away.
02:44  Trev
Is he allowed to just say
02:44
fake tax he just wants and
02:48  Wayne
always lowers the tie.
02:48
Wow.
02:49  Unknown
Yeah. What else
02:52  Richard
would you carry you
02:52
make you make one fake taxi
02:55
movie? And then he's talking
02:56  Wayne
about Uber? Obviously
02:56
he's not talking about anything
02:58
else. Yeah.
03:06  Richard
Yeah, well, how did it
03:06
start for me? Well, I mean, I
03:09
suppose like a lot of people It
03:09
all depends on what you're kind
03:13
of access to. That kind of world
03:13
is what what your kind of access
03:19
to art is, you know, to not to
03:19
sound to try and sound too
03:23
poncey about it but you know a
03:23
lot of people I went to college
03:29
with and I've worked with their
03:29
their kind of upbringing was
03:32
that they were taken to the
03:32
theater and they had that access
03:35
to what they consider gray
03:35
culture well we're Essex boys
03:40
cultures what you get when
03:40
you're younger? You know we're
03:43
not we're not
03:45  Unknown
you know, we kind of
03:45
mine it is
03:49  Richard
you know, we sort of I
03:49
don't know I mean, you guys
03:52
probably found the same thing I
03:52
found myself gravitating towards
03:56
film very early age but
03:56
massively so I mean, I think I
04:01
unlike a lot of things in my
04:01
life I became pretty obsessed
04:06
with it you know, I kind of I
04:06
was chasing up back catalogs of
04:10
actors and directors I enjoyed
04:10
it all started very much so was
04:15
that
04:15  Trev
because we were so into
04:15
film so you got into
04:19  Richard
Yeah, yeah, I kind of
04:19
it kind of it very much so the
04:25
big key one for me was the
04:25
moment that I realized that and
04:29
so low an Indiana Jones was the
04:29
same guy. Well, that sounds like
04:34
a joke. thing to say but look at
04:34
it. Is this
04:46
a war for me? If you've got to
04:46
have a lie down now you've got
04:50
to have a lie down yeah. Now I
04:50
very much Star Wars was was was
04:57
usually and then a few years
04:57
later on. The Raiders and
05:00
because we had all the sequels
05:00
and stuff like that, and I
05:02
started gaming, I bought
05:02
Harrison Ford was amazing. You
05:06
know, and that grew to an
05:06
appreciation of what actors can
05:10
do you know, and like a lot of
05:10
people I had my favorites. De
05:14
Niro's massive for me growing
05:14
up, I just, I just loved his
05:18
work very early.
05:20  Trev
They'll be showing in
05:20
Richard De Niro,
05:22  Richard
can you remember? thing
05:22
my first first dinero film? Wow,
05:29
now we're going back to I think
05:29
it probably was, I've got a
05:34
suspicion it was raging bull,
05:34
which I would have seen very
05:36
young. younger than younger
05:36
than, you know, I should have
05:40
been watching it. But But yeah,
05:40
I think I think it probably was,
05:43
but and it was also that led me
05:43
to that kind of realization that
05:48
it's not just there's not just
05:48
an actor, because I became a fan
05:51
of Scorsese for that. And that
05:51
led. Yeah, you suddenly realize
05:57
that there's a whole team of
05:57
people that make these these
05:59
films don't just happen. You
05:59
know, these, these actors don't
06:01
just get these roles, and they
06:01
turn up and they do it.
06:50
That's a wonderful
06:50
thing. But But I did, I kind of,
06:53
you know, I sort of had an
06:53
interest in how the thing gets
06:55
made your note. So that kind of
06:55
led me to, you know, looking at
07:00
performance. And I was, I think
07:00
what it was we didn't have
07:05
access to the to the to the
07:05
theater, and it didn't really
07:08
hold any interest for me. But
07:08
what I was watching in film and
07:11
TV that fascinated me that
07:11
really did I was really drawn to
07:15
that. Do you become your family?
07:15
No, no, I, I no one I'd never
07:23
acted. actually tell you the
07:23
story of how I became an actor.
07:27
Would we be here all night? It's
07:27
a very, very long story. So I'm
07:30
going to give you the sort of
07:30
truncated York notes version of
07:33
it. Yeah. Basically, at that
07:33
early age, I did nothing about
07:39
it. I did nothing at all. I went
07:39
straight from school and got a
07:42
job in a bank at 16 years old.
07:42
Fast forward 12 years, and I'm
07:47
still working in the bank and
07:47
you know, trundling along nice
07:51
little social life meeting, you
07:51
know, good fun people and all
07:54
that having the odd holiday and
07:54
things like that. But over the
07:58
course of, I suppose about 18
07:58
months, I had a few kind of
08:03
changes of perspective, because
08:03
I was in a relationship and that
08:07
ended and then I lost two people
08:07
that were very close to me. And
08:12
whilst I was working in the
08:12
bank, and I'd say trundling
08:16
along and you kind of find this
08:16
is between, say, 25 and 28 years
08:20
old, had a couple of friends.
08:20
Oh, yeah, very late, very late,
08:26
really. So by some people's.
08:26
I'll tell you a little story on
08:30
that. Actually, there's there
08:30
was as I did come to LA I ended
08:35
up going to drama college at 28
08:35
years old. And one of the first
08:39
things I learned was that the
08:39
head of acting had already said
08:45
that you can't teach anyone to
08:45
act who's over the age of 21 and
08:50
yeah, it's staggering to hear
08:50
that because I'm at the time I
08:54
was I was upset by it I was sort
08:54
of thinking well what's he
08:57
doing? Am I too thick? Am I no
08:57
longer What is it you know, and
09:03
but I kind of worked out but you
09:03
know, you do I mean, there are
09:13
there are actors who can come to
09:13
it very late in life, you know,
09:16
and I did and I also thought
09:16
that my my main kind of tool as
09:22
an actor, my main sort of
09:22
Arsenal, you know, the sort of
09:26
piece of weaponry in my arsenal
09:26
was was my life experience. You
09:30
know, that I knew.
09:33  Trev
We will show you we will
09:33
bleep Arsenal out by the way
09:36
because you know, I'm not a big
09:36
fan. So there will be bald.
09:42  Wayne
slipped out, obviously,
09:42
and you're lucky you can follow
09:45
your your passion and your
09:45
dreams. Yeah, to earn a living
09:49
from doing something you love,
09:49
which is not something Trevor
09:52
and myself can probably attest
09:52
to.
09:57  Richard
That's great. I mean,
09:57
that's a very interesting thing
09:59
to say. There. That about
09:59
earning a living doing it
10:01
because that's where the
10:01
problems come into paradise. You
10:05
know, you're really, you
10:05
stepped, I stepped out of
10:07
college three, three or four
10:07
years later, as I say, I
10:10
graduated, and I went straight
10:10
into acting jobs. But how often
10:16
the way I'd never known an
10:16
industry like it for this.
10:18
Everyone wants you to work for
10:18
free. Yeah, cool. Everyone wants
10:22
you to work for free. So you
10:22
have to you have to do something
10:26
else. You have to have some
10:26
other money from somewhere you
10:29
need to
10:30  Wayne
show Richard, isn't it?
10:30
Obviously, if you have to do
10:32
that with free, you're doing it
10:32
for free, then that's what you
10:35
do, isn't it? Yeah.
10:37  Richard
You I mean, if, I mean,
10:37
the first two jobs I had were
10:40
theater jobs. It was actually a
10:40
couple of years before I got
10:44
anything on film, really. And
10:44
that was they were just adverts
10:47
and I did a I did a crime watch.
10:47
Stuff like that.
10:51  Wayne
times as well. Richard
10:51
Spencer
10:54  Richard
did a prime watch. I
10:54
committed a crime. That's why
11:00  Trev
when you were on crime,
11:00
what did you get paid for it?
11:02
Yeah, I
11:03  Wayne
had to do danger. I was
11:03
climbing up windows into
11:05
people's bedrooms be all sorts
11:05
of stuff, you know, and I think
11:08
I got paid for it. But it was
11:08
indirectly but yeah.
11:17
On to question two, I think.
11:20  Unknown
Yeah.
11:22  Trev
Well, jumping into the
11:22
future a bit from what you've
11:26
just told us, Richard, what,
11:26
what do you think is the best
11:29
part you've ever played?
11:34  Unknown
Oh, yeah, he was really
11:34
young. I
11:36  Trev
suppose I was good. I was
11:36
gonna say the most demanding
11:38
maybe, or something that you
11:38
would he thought, This is what
11:42
I'm doing it for you. And it's
11:42
funny, because there's
11:47  Richard
that, I suppose really
11:47
what it boils down to and as I
11:51
say, if you go back to my
11:51
reasons for wanting to pursue
11:54
acting, it's to have to have
11:54
memories to have things that I
11:59
did that, you know, that I will
11:59
remember for the rest of my
12:02
life. I mean, I did two national
12:02
tours of shows that weren't big
12:07
parts for me. But the fact that
12:07
I was touring Britain and
12:10
getting into all these lovely it
12:10
was it was terrific. And I was
12:14
working with, I was working with
12:14
big name actors at the time, you
12:17
know, and it was, it was it was
12:17
good. It was really, you really
12:21
felt like you, you were part of
12:21
the industry. And I think it's
12:26
important to
12:28  Trev
not use Monday kind of
12:28
thing.
12:32  Richard
I've been, I suppose my
12:32
my outlook to it has always been
12:37
I, I never wanted to be the big
12:37
Hollywood star actor I didn't
12:42
want to be, I wanted to be a
12:42
good jobbing actor, constantly
12:46
work, when you're you're kind of
12:46
Outlook changes once you leave
12:49
drama school because you leave
12:49
drama school and you are 1000s
12:52
of pounds in debt. And each are
12:52
really tough, really tough. And
12:57
even just getting an agent is
12:57
tough, you know, and it takes a
13:01
lot of dedication, but more
13:01
importantly than a lot of luck.
13:06
So when you're kind of, you
13:06
know, you throw yourself into
13:10
it. And if you think I'll take
13:10
everything that comes along, but
13:13
it's not, it's not realistic to
13:13
do that. So you end up taking
13:16
the smaller jobs. Now, as I say,
13:16
these these two tours that I
13:19
got, I can remember people
13:19
saying to me, this is it for
13:22
you. This is this is the start.
13:22
This is how it's the first tour,
13:26
I got people about my age and my
13:26
friends, were all saying you're
13:30
on the way up now. And I said,
13:30
Well, we don't know that. Let's
13:34
see. But the nice thing about
13:34
it, like withdrawal of college
13:38
is while you're doing these
13:38
tours, all you're doing is
13:41
acting. You're just traveling
13:41
around the country, and you're
13:44
acting and it's and it's great
13:44
and it's good fun, and it's what
13:47
you want to do. But it's also
13:47
hard work eight shows a week
13:52
from venue to venue is not easy.
13:52
It takes a lot out of you.
13:58  Trev
You're good. So you're
13:58
putting your heart and soul into
14:00
it, aren't you as well be some
14:00
of you are not
14:01  Richard
Yeah, yeah, I think you
14:01
have to, as I say that's, you
14:05
know, I say dedication, like
14:05
it's, you know, the, this is you
14:10
know, you must be dedicated, you
14:10
know, what I mean is you have to
14:13
be willing to say, okay, right
14:13
now I'm waiting tables in a
14:17
restaurant, but when that acting
14:17
job comes along, I won't be and
14:21
that's that's the payoff. You
14:21
know, that is the payoff. In
14:25
terms of what was the question
14:25
again? What is it the best
14:28
actor? Yeah, so the best
14:28
probably the best part I played
14:35
and again, this this, you know,
14:35
I don't want it It sounds like
14:39
everything. I'm saying resorts
14:39
back to money. But when you do
14:43
it for 25 years, which is half
14:43
my life, we really there's a
14:47
fine line, there's a fine line
14:47
and you really have to weigh up.
14:51
Can you take the job for no
14:51
money? Can you can you do that?
14:54
Can you do the profit share? Or
14:54
can we do that because if you
14:57
do, are you going to have your
14:57
rent Are you going to be able to
14:59
buy Food. Yeah, you know, if
14:59
you've got a family, you know,
15:03
these sort of things.
15:03
Fortunately, I never had a
15:06
family. But you know, I mean, I
15:06
didn't I only did myself to
15:09
worry about sorry,
15:10  Wayne
Richard did did you have
15:10
to take and take on other work
15:14
to basically earn a living? Did
15:14
you have to work? Which I know a
15:17
lot of actors have to basically?
15:18  Richard
Yeah, I very much. I
15:18
mean, I would say. I mean, I was
15:22
very, very again, this is even
15:22
this was lucky I, I went, I'm a
15:27
bit sort of old fashioned. And
15:27
this is again, this is 20 years
15:31
ago when you could do this. And
15:31
I went with my, my paper, CVS,
15:34
and I went round all of
15:34
London's, but in particular, the
15:38
West End, and I handed out my
15:38
savings to theaters to cinnabar
15:41
as the shops everywhere. And
15:41
I've got a couple of interviews,
15:44
I ended up working in the West
15:44
End, first as an usher. And
15:48
eventually I became a theater
15:48
fireman. But I did I've done
15:53
that for the last 20 years. And
15:53
from you know, there's been
15:56
acting jobs in between. Still
15:56
working in ground industry,
16:00
which
16:00  Wayne
is great isn't exactly
16:00
yeah, yeah. That's a bit like
16:03
the Hollywood whiter thing in
16:03
it. Yeah.
16:06  Richard
Very much. You have to
16:06
burn Well, I can remember doing
16:09
the show. A good few years back
16:09
now must be 15 years back now.
16:13
And it was what they call it was
16:13
a little lunchtime piece of
16:17
theater that people could go and
16:17
see from the offices that were
16:20
on the small theater, they could
16:20
go and see it in their
16:22
lunchtime, and their lunch
16:22
breaks. And while I was on it, I
16:26
was I was working with an actor.
16:26
And he said if he seen this, and
16:28
he showed me this article that
16:28
they put in the stage where
16:31
equity had done, actually, the
16:31
actor's Union had done a bit of
16:36
research into how much the
16:36
average actor will be working
16:41
and how much they'll be earning
16:41
and things like that. They
16:43
basically for the average year,
16:43
and it turned out that the
16:48
average actor in London works
16:48
for two weeks of every year as
16:53
an actor. He's incredible. It is
16:53
it you can't keep that you can't
17:00
do 50 weeks a year with rich
17:00
parents. Yeah. Oh, you won the
17:06
lottery. It's not realistic. You
17:06
have to do something. Yeah.
17:12  Trev
So you when you were
17:12
talking about that was the bet.
17:15
Would you say that it's your
17:15
sort of the most fun part you've
17:17
ever had
17:18  Richard
acted on that or was
17:18
that that was great, because it
17:21
was a big ensemble cast out a
17:21
few famous names in there. And I
17:24
had a lot, a lot of fun with it.
17:24
But But again, the real, I'd say
17:29
that the role I had, that was
17:29
probably the most satisfying was
17:35
a South End writer, a friend of
17:35
mine had written a play. He's
17:39
written several, we've had a few
17:39
plays in the West End. And he
17:42
wrote one set in South End, set
17:42
in a phone store in a mobile
17:47
phone store in South End. And
17:47
he'd written the path for me.
17:53
And, and it was lovely. It was
17:53
great possible when I read the
17:56
script, I just turned to one
17:56
side and said, it's a fantastic
17:59
partner, but I don't want to pay
17:59
this guy. I want to play this
18:04
guy, because that's the
18:04
challenge. That's the, you know,
18:07
that's, this is a guy I know.
18:07
And I feel like I can played
18:10
him. And he said, Well, I really
18:10
want you to play the guy that I
18:13
wrote. And I said, Can we can i
18:13
audition for both? So I met the
18:18
director, and I auditioned for
18:18
both parts. And the guy that I
18:21
wanted to play was Simon. And as
18:21
I left, the director, turned to
18:27
his ad and said, that's my
18:27
assignment. So that was great.
18:30
It was really taught, right?
18:30
Yeah, it was it was just, it
18:35
just very, very encouraging. And
18:35
you felt, I felt, okay, this is
18:39
something that can have a go.
18:39
And it was a great part. For me,
18:42
I got some lovely responses in
18:42
the reviews and things like
18:47
that. That's really nice
18:47
statement. It didn't do very
18:50
well, we didn't end up extending
18:50
or anything like that. And it
18:53
was, it was another profit share
18:53
job. And I'd had to leave my job
18:56
to do it. And I'd say, to do
18:56
that role, which I will say was
19:01
probably the most satisfying
19:01
role I've ever done. It cost me
19:04
about two grand to do it.
19:07  Wayne
There is right there the
19:07
truth of 90% of people. Yeah,
19:12  Richard
you can't go into this
19:12
industry with your eyes closed.
19:15
You really you really have to
19:15
know what you're letting
19:18
yourself in for because it's a
19:18
big, it's a beast. And I would
19:22
actually say I think it's, I
19:22
think a lot of ways it's
19:24
getting, it's getting worse for
19:24
that, you know, it is getting
19:28
worse for that it is becoming I
19:28
think, you know, I personally
19:33
I've spent the last four or five
19:33
years thinking is this. I'm
19:37
like, Am I coming out of the
19:37
industry now? Why Am I late
19:40
especially now with with COVID
19:40
of course, and everything that's
19:43
happened there. It does make you
19:43
wonder what kind of an industry
19:46
we're going to go by.
19:49  Trev
And I dream to become an
19:49
actor. Do you just completely?
19:52
Yeah,
19:53  Unknown
absolutely.
19:57
Completely down. Starfire
19:57
Richard for now.
20:00  Richard
I know, let me just let
20:00
me just, I will, because it's
20:04
kind of if there's two answers
20:04
to the question there was also
20:06
another role which this might
20:06
convince people otherwise this
20:09
might convince them living is
20:09
worth doing. And this was
20:12
something I don't know why I
20:12
went for this part, but I don't
20:18
think I've seen my flatmate
20:18
convince me yesterday, my
20:20
flatmate convinced me and I went
20:20
to audition for a part where I
20:24
had to sing. I don't like to
20:24
sing. I can sing, but I don't
20:28
enjoy. I knew I was gonna have
20:28
to sing in the part and I was
20:31
gonna go What am I doing? And I
20:31
went along, I knew it would be
20:34
fun, and I knew I could have
20:34
some fun with it. And I got the
20:38
part and I again did it for
20:38
about a month over over one
20:42
Christmas. It was an adult, anti
20:42
panto
20:48  Unknown
time and then I was
20:48
gonna
20:49  Richard
say that there's a
20:49
whole
20:57  Wayne
sorry, Richard.
20:59  Richard
But again, I got to
20:59
play a character called Barbara
21:03
ugly one of the sisters and I
21:03
played it as this drag up
21:08
northern comic, you know, really
21:08
heavy mine cabin. And it was,
21:13
you know, she was very much like
21:13
this all the time. You know?
21:23  Trev
What do I think that Jim
21:23
Davis is involved in this
21:26
somewhere
21:29  Wayne
from coronation, Veera
21:29
check out
21:35  Richard
the whole that's the
21:35
whole kind of legit side of
21:38
working with the show is gonna
21:38
run around. But But again, that
21:45
was that was just immense fun.
21:45
Because I was working with a
21:48
bunch of people in an ensemble,
21:48
everyone was having fun with it.
21:52
It was, it was brings theater as
21:52
well. So technically, things
21:55
will go wrong, and you just have
21:55
to roll with it. roll with it,
22:04
just
22:04  Unknown
roll with relevant.
22:04
Let's
22:06  Richard
see where we end up
22:06
with
22:08  Wayne
now, but that's fine.
22:08
Because you've given a
22:09
perspective of it's not all doom
22:09
and gloom, which, you know, I
22:13
think people need to know is
22:13
hard work out there, you're
22:15
gonna have to take other jobs.
22:15
You know, we don't just jump
22:17
into being an idealist, you
22:17
know, never be so very few and
22:21
far between. It's not becoming a
22:21
professional footballer, and
22:23
playing pub team, isn't it? You
22:23
might not want to answer this
22:29
one, Richard. But it would be
22:29
unfair to ask really, but it's
22:34
Trevor's question not mine. But
22:34
if you want to know our system,
22:39
not so nice as the, you know,
22:39
the sort of famous people you've
22:43
met through the years, okay,
22:43
well,
22:46  Richard
I'm gonna I'm gonna
22:46
start with if I if I may, a
22:49
couple of the nicest. Because I
22:49
know, I know, you guys like me,
22:54
and we discussed it. Huge Star
22:54
Wars fans. And I, I, you know,
23:01
across across the news, I've met
23:01
a couple of people from Star
23:03
Wars. But one of the one of the
23:03
nicest things that happened to
23:06
me was, I was working at the
23:06
theater, and we have a show in
23:11
with with a guy that turned up
23:11
the stage door once and I'd
23:16
never met him. I've never met
23:16
him. He was in the show. And he
23:19
turned up and I was very excited
23:19
to meet him because I was
23:21
thinking this is this is great.
23:21
This is such a cool guy to me.
23:25
And he walked up to stage door
23:25
while I'm standing with a
23:28
friend, who's also a huge Star
23:28
Wars fan. And he just walked up
23:31
and he said, Oh, now this guy I
23:31
know. I'm pointed. And I was
23:36
like, you absolutely don't you
23:36
really, really, we've never met
23:40
I promise you. I said no, no, I
23:40
definitely know you like
23:44
definitely no, I'm sorry. I'm
23:44
sorry. I got chatting to him.
23:48
And it was Bill Hawkins who
23:48
played porkins in and it worked.
23:55
He was the nicest, nicest guy he
23:55
was just lovely, adorable. Yeah.
24:01
So friendly. And the sad thing
24:01
is obviously he did die a few a
24:05
few years later, when when when
24:05
we got chatting, it was when we
24:10
got chatting he said to me, he
24:10
said to me, he said when we when
24:14
we get out for a drink, we
24:14
started talking to him about
24:16
Star Wars and Raiders and
24:16
everything. When we get out. He
24:19
said I'll tell you the story of
24:19
how I got the job and writers
24:21
you're like that and I never
24:21
heard the story. never
24:27  Wayne
hear that story.
24:29  Richard
He was he was adorable.
24:29
He was a really nice guy
24:33  Trev
knows the worst Richard
24:35  Unknown
right. Okay,
24:35  Wayne
well they just want to
24:35
work with you just wants to get
24:41  Richard
there. There have been
24:41
some, this is another thing you
24:45
will going into the acting
24:45
industry you have to again, you
24:49
have to have your eyes open and
24:49
you will meet some absolute
24:54
horror shows. You really will
24:54
you will meet some people who
24:57
are who are just using how First
24:57
off, how do you find a door to
25:02
get out the house in the
25:02
morning? You're that stupid, I
25:04
don't understand. But there's
25:04
also people that are just so
25:12
arrogant, you know, so horribly.
25:12
I'm all for a bit. My big
25:16
failing as an actor as a human
25:16
being is a lack of confidence. I
25:20
never really I've got horrible,
25:20
horrible imposter syndrome
25:23
terrible. Really bad. You know,
25:23
I'm, especially in a working
25:29
class working class guy from SC
25:29
stepping on the stage of Western
25:33
theater. What are you doing?
25:34  Wayne
You know, you're doing
25:34
sex boys, Richard, that's what
25:37
you're doing.
25:42  Richard
And I worked with this
25:42
guy, and we did this, this show.
25:47
But I'm not gonna get
25:54
the nice thing is if I gave you
25:54
the name, you wouldn't know him.
25:57
So that's, that's, for me.
25:57
That's horribly.
26:09
He's, we've just from from day
26:09
one was I sensed that he didn't
26:16
like me and I, but I'm the kind
26:16
of guy I sort of make effort
26:20
with people. I think, you know,
26:20
it's much better, especially if
26:23
you're working with people, it's
26:23
much better to try and get on
26:25
with them. To be, you know, than
26:25
to be Nick about Excuse My
26:30
French.
26:31  Wayne
That's okay. You can get
26:31
away with the kiddie section
26:36
which
26:38  Richard
I could have I could
26:38
have been.
26:40  Wayne
Exactly. Exactly. And
26:40
most importantly, Richard,
26:45
because you're not going to give
26:45
us at night because obviously we
26:47
no one will know. But trashcan
26:47
avoid him in the acting circles
26:52
that
26:53  Richard
I honestly couldn't. I
26:53
will say the reason the reason
26:57
it came to a head, I will say
26:57
this, it came to a head in a
27:01
moment in we were in a dressing
27:01
rooms for the first time and
27:04
leaving me as I say, I'm kind of
27:04
a communal team player. I like
27:08
to keep things nice and
27:08
friendly. And I said to the
27:12
whole room, I said, I said,
27:12
Look, guys, just just silly. No,
27:15
you know, we're all in the
27:15
dressing room for the duration
27:18
of the show. Does anyone have
27:18
any things I you know, like to
27:22
avoid? You know, no smelly food?
27:22
No, you know, don't bring in a
27:27
desk backstage without checking
27:27
with us first, that sort of
27:30
thing. When you're not, I
27:30
wouldn't say either, Richard.
27:35  Unknown
Yeah.
27:42  Richard
At the risk of sounding
27:42
like I'm blowing my own trumpet,
27:44
I have had many technical people
27:44
who do have a real disdain for
27:48
most actors, say to me in the
27:48
past, many, many times or many,
27:51
many shows have said to me,
27:51
you're the most unnaturally
27:54
actor I've ever met. And
27:57  Wayne
your entourage
28:01  Richard
thank much guys like
28:01
me. But But this this guy, he
28:09
just didn't give anyone else a
28:09
chance to speak. He just hates
28:13
now. And I know there are a few
28:13
people out there who I've told
28:16
this story too. And when they
28:16
do, they still got they will
28:18
laugh because this has become a
28:18
catch phrase. He said, I demand
28:22
respect. Me. Rule like just it
28:22
went quiet. Everyone went? Yeah.
28:34
Well.
28:38  Trev
We want to do Shea for the
28:38
top of his voice of absolute
28:41
Idaho money.
28:42  Richard
Oh, yeah. Yes, pretty
28:42
much. Pretty much.
28:44  Trev
Let's not, let's not beat
28:44
around the bush.
28:50  Unknown
Yes,
28:51  Richard
I had to I had to
28:51
explain to him. I said, I do you
28:54
not understand that purely by
28:54
asking that question I'm
28:56
showing. That's the first thing.
28:56
And secondly, I think as you go
29:01
through life, good luck
29:01
demanding respect from people.
29:04
You have to you have to work on
29:04
it like that, you know, and it
29:08
was like, say, you're not you're
29:08
not gonna want to sleep with
29:12
everyone you work with. I hear
29:15  Wayne
you speak for yourself. I
29:15
work in a store full of men. I
29:18
love it.
29:20  Unknown
You love it. Yeah,
29:23  Wayne
sorry. I just don't you
29:23
boys. You'd be worried today.
29:26
We'd be asleep next time I walk
29:26
in that room. Onto the next one
29:33
is to Richard basically the most
29:33
important part of all of this to
29:38
anyone who's listening out there
29:38
has aspirations to be an actor.
29:41
What What advice would you give
29:41
to someone starting out who has
29:44
patients to be an actor? It
29:44
could be something. I mean, it
29:46
could be somebody our age, you
29:46
know, somebody wants to start
29:49
acting. What would you say?
29:49
Yeah,
29:50  Richard
yeah, I my it's my
29:50
advice. And I think this I've
29:55
told this to many people
29:55
throughout my years of doing it
30:00
I've always said the same thing.
30:00
If you think you've got it in
30:03
you go for it. Because it's so
30:03
much better than hiding your
30:08
light under a bushel is so much
30:08
better than keeping that flame.
30:13
Yeah, you've got to feed that
30:13
flame you've got you can't try
30:16
and extinguish it before it's
30:16
either chocolate the burn. Give
30:20
it a go,
30:20  Wayne
would you say Richard it
30:20
you know, somebody is interested
30:22
in maybe our age. You know, if
30:22
you've got a passion for acting,
30:25
he's not necessarily going to
30:25
pay your bills, but go and join
30:28
an amateur dramatics society and
30:28
enjoy the process. Yeah,
30:31  Richard
yeah, absolutely. That
30:31
is, I've actually done a lot of
30:34
work. Since since graduating and
30:34
then since been in the industry,
30:39
I've done quite a lot of work.
30:39
And it was it was knock on work,
30:42
there would always be a film
30:42
after film after a film with the
30:46
again, South End college. I'm
30:46
not sponsored by South drive.
31:01  Trev
When you say that for
31:01
someone of all ages, would you
31:05
would you say that like Jordan,
31:05
a casting thing for exes would
31:10
help?
31:10  Richard
Is that a good thing?
31:10
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I tell
31:13
you what it would do this. This
31:13
is why I was saying about the
31:15
South in college things because
31:15
you might get you might get a
31:17
part in a small film where you
31:17
actually actually connect, if
31:21
you if you go into being an
31:21
extra or background officers, I
31:25
like to be called. If you do
31:25
something like that, yeah.
31:29
There's a lot of waiting around.
31:29
There's a lot of standing on
31:32
set. You're the you're the first
31:32
people on set, you're the last
31:35
people off the last ones to get
31:35
said, there's there's not always
31:39
a lot of respect
31:41  Unknown
for you. You just said
31:41
that.
31:44  Richard
You can't You can't
31:44
there is there is anything for
31:45
free, which is a huge thing.
31:45
There's,
31:48  Wayne
you're gonna get loads of
31:48
offers now, Richard? Yeah, loads
31:51
of free.
31:55  Richard
Yeah, exactly. But you
31:55
can, what you can do with that
32:00
is you can find your way in,
32:00
let's say there might be someone
32:03
who's got a, you know, a nice,
32:03
decent little roll, it could be
32:06
like a couple of lines that
32:06
could give you some of the work
32:09
with that will give you an idea.
32:09
If bill, you know, you would he
32:13
would test you. That's the
32:13
important thing. I think maybe
32:16
to throw yourself into it and
32:16
test yourself. There's, there's
32:20
absolutely I did say, I mean, a
32:20
lot of people have gone through
32:23
the extra route. A few friends
32:23
of mine have ended up being
32:26
there. Again, I think going back
32:26
to the Star Wars movies, through
32:29
being extras, you know, and it
32:29
can happen. I would, I would
32:35
personally, if you really want
32:35
to test yourself, I would try
32:39
and find I try and find a way
32:39
into doing student films, or
32:43
short productions of plays, you
32:43
know, one or two nights in a
32:46
place and test yourself like
32:46
that, because you'll find out
32:50
quick enough if you've got it,
32:50
you know, and it's not, there's
32:54
very little to do. You know,
32:54
people always talk about
32:57
talented actors, but I really
32:57
believe really, truly believe
33:01
that. Most actors are talented
33:01
to a to an extent, most of them
33:06
can do certain things. But But
33:06
what it is you having that
33:09
opportunity being given that
33:09
that lucky moment says this is
33:13
the perfect role for you go off
33:13
and do it, you know. So yeah,
33:17  Wayne
I noticed amongst all
33:17
that, Richard, that you
33:20
mentioned the word test quite a
33:20
few times. And just because
33:26  Richard
I hope I'd say that
33:26
somebody out there get something
33:29
from it. And it's not just the
33:29
boring things. No, no, and
33:32
namedropping terrible. People
33:32
who've been for God's sakes.
33:37  Wayne
Damn bill Wilkins. Before
33:37
you go, Richard, because I can
33:42
tell that you're thinking,
33:42
What's he gonna do now? It's a
33:45
little
33:46  Unknown
frightening. Yeah.
33:47  Wayne
He said, we obviously
33:47
have quite a popular part of the
33:50
show that we do is the test
33:50
drive segment where I put drive
33:53
under the spotlight every week.
33:53
So now we're taking it to test
33:58
the guest. We're gonna let Trev
33:58
join you on this little journey.
34:04
You can be part of it. Yes. Yes.
34:04
Don't worry, you're not left
34:07
out. Whether your name's not in
34:07
the in the in the in the jingle
34:12
anymore. I'm from fortunately
34:12
driven. And then here is
34:16  Unknown
a test, test. test
34:16
against
34:24
that idea.
34:26  Richard
I love that. I gotta
34:26
say, Trev, I'm coming for your
34:28
job, right?
34:28  Wayne
I'm coming. I had to
34:28
basically I had to basically put
34:36
this together a very short
34:36
notice. And to be honest, even
34:38
though we've been speaking
34:38
during this, this podcast, I
34:43
managed to answer all the
34:43
questions correctly, even
34:45
without concentrating on it. So
34:45
I don't think this is going to
34:47
be much of a challenge to be
34:47
honest. Okay, let's
34:50  Trev
see. If we don't if these
34:50
don't go well. Would we do that
34:53
our complete pair of dumbbells?
34:53
Yeah. So that's why
34:55  Wayne
that's why I asked the
34:55
questions.
35:00  Richard
thrown in the beaten?
35:00
Clearly. That's
35:04  Wayne
the idea. There's no
35:04
editing here.
35:05  Unknown
Yeah, exactly.
35:06  Wayne
So this is a Harrison
35:06
Ford. You've mentioned Harrison
35:08
Ford in in the podcast Richard
35:08
so obviously so I might switch
35:14
it between you on the answers.
35:14
So to I think I'll go Richard
35:19
the first one and say this isn't
35:19
isn't too challenging Richard I
35:22
shouldn't say that. Really?
35:22
Because if you don't know it,
35:24
then it's gonna. Sorry. I'm not
35:24
gonna be the next Bruce falsos.
35:33
Who was the actress that fell in
35:33
love with in the movie witness.
35:38
Do you want the multiple
35:38
choices? Richard?
35:41  Unknown
Yeah.
35:43  Wayne
Demi Moore. Kelly
35:43
McGillis, Jodie Foster, or Kelly
35:48
Clarkson.
35:50  Unknown
If he doesn't get a
35:50
chance to Oh, yes,
35:53  Wayne
you get. Okay. Keep with
35:53
a candy bar. Really?
35:56  Richard
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
35:56
go. Oh, yeah,
35:59  Unknown
yeah,
36:00  Wayne
you get famous round of
36:00
applause. Oh.
36:06  Richard
That's the highlight.
36:09  Trev
I'm the only one has ever
36:09
had that and they take it in for
36:11
me. I know. I know.
36:12  Wayne
Trevor's gonna get this
36:12
this is really annoys me because
36:15
I've been asking him what was
36:15
Garry Kasparov middle name and
36:18
just thrown a curveball and but
36:18
we've done it in the Kabbalah
36:23
before we Yeah, so Okay, I'm
36:23
going to get used to just a
36:26
gimme really in Air Force One.
36:26
Who was the terrorist and you
36:30
don't even want the answers
36:30
there. You
36:36  Unknown
give me a couple of
36:36
seconds to think
36:39  Wayne
you haven't got a couple
36:39
of seconds isn't?
36:47
It was indeed Gary. Oh,
36:49  Richard
I'm impressed on
36:49
refresh. Just just to throw this
36:52
out there again. Gary. I went to
36:52
the same drama colleges and just
36:56
saying details back to
37:04  Wayne
Okay, here we go.
37:04
Harrison thought took over the
37:06
role of this is the one I
37:06
couldn't remember earlier for is
37:09
jack dancy jack Ryan. I didn't
37:09
know that. Honestly, from from
37:14
Witch Hunt for Red October
37:14
actor. I will give you the
37:17
multiple choice because he's a
37:17
few.
37:19  Richard
I think I don't need
37:19
it. Excellent.
37:24  Unknown
Why?
37:29
Look at that. This
37:30  Wayne
is a quiz to run.
37:32  Richard
This is a horrible
37:32
moment. They were awful. He
37:34
wasn't him but you know
37:36  Wayne
the flashiness of not
37:36
needing
37:41  Unknown
Yes, yeah. Yeah. as
37:41
well.
37:45  Richard
I know you would no
37:45
doubt no doubt.
37:48  Wayne
You'll know this anyway.
37:48
And Trevor know this, but I say
37:50
this is a bit tough as baby.
37:50
Which movie was Harrison Ford in
37:54
before Star Wars. Do you want
37:54
the answer's
37:57  Trev
no. Go and then. Richard
37:57
knows you can even use breath.
38:08
American Graffiti.
38:13  Wayne
Just really want to do
38:13
this to you trip.
38:19  Trev
He will happen again.
38:19
Yeah, it will happen again.
38:23  Wayne
Because he's called test
38:23
the guest really in trips.
38:25
Getting too excited. Last one.
38:25
This is a last question to
38:28
Richard.
38:28  Richard
I'm gonna throw it so I
38:28
get that sound.
38:34  Wayne
If you say something
38:34
funny, which is you get a rim
38:36
shot, which can be taken any way
38:36
you like, you know, I mean.
38:41  Unknown
I've never got a rim
38:41
shot. No
38:43  Richard
one told me about that
38:43
this
38:44  Wayne
podcast has gone downhill
38:44
rapidly. Question five. And the
38:49
final question. How did Harrison
38:49
Ford get the role in Star Wars?
38:53
I'll give you the answers.
38:53
Richard, you don't need them.
38:55
This one do?
38:57  Richard
I think I know. Yeah.
38:57
Yeah. Well,
38:59  Wayne
it's kind of I'm not
38:59
being funny. I mean,
39:01  Unknown
comienza Spence, he
39:01
knows it. It could. I
39:05  Wayne
college friends of George
39:05
Lucas. They met George Lucas on
39:09
American Graffiti. See Mark
39:09
Hamill when a calf? George Lucas
39:16
on Johnny Carson.
39:20  Richard
It's the can we answer
39:20
it and then ask you guys a
39:24
question because it's a follow
39:24
up question.
39:30
It was the it was the American
39:30
Graffiti.
39:34  Unknown
Yeah.
39:38
Mark Hamill would have added a
39:38
cat.
39:42  Wayne
hoodie No, no. What do
39:42
you
39:48  Richard
I'm trying to say are
39:48
trying to think of a false pun,
39:51
but I can't think of one I'm
39:51
sorry. There's nothing going.
39:54
It's terrible. I've I've let you
39:54
down.
39:59  Wayne
So we did. You don't
39:59
Richard, you do your
40:02  Richard
follow up the follow up
40:02
question. This is I can't think
40:06
of anything so I'm going to go.
40:06
This is please Kwame. How's that
40:08
sound?
40:13  Wayne
A lot worse. Yeah.
40:16  Richard
What actor? Did
40:16
Harrison Ford replace? As hands
40:21
on like?
40:24  Unknown
Oh, is Tom Selleck was
40:24
it?
40:26  Richard
No, no, no. No. Oh my
40:26
god, I'm out Christie. I'm so
40:35
delighted that apparently,
40:35
George Lucas originally Clarke
40:38
cast Glynn Turman to play. And
40:38
then Harrison Ford, he met him
40:44
and Tracy's mind.
40:45  Wayne
It's a whole different
40:45
movie. So that's for us.
40:51  Unknown
Why do you know who
40:51
Clinton minis? What are you
40:54
doing?
40:54  Wayne
This isn't an elaboration
40:54
on questions. It's not to say do
40:57
you know Greek sermons? blumen.
40:57
Favorite song? Yeah,
41:00  Unknown
I mean, we could be
41:04  Wayne
right there. No, I don't
41:04
either. Then you okay. Yeah,
41:09
that's what I mean. But it would
41:09
have been a whole different
41:11
movie, that's for sure. But
41:12  Unknown
it would. But yeah,
41:15  Wayne
I think we better put a
41:15
disclaimer in of today's guests
41:18
future coming because Richard
41:18
put a curveball in there that
41:20
They mustn't ask the guests
41:20
questions, especially when we
41:22
don't have the answer. I think
41:22
this is the first one is going
41:29
to need editing, I think. Clever
41:29
editing.
41:33  Unknown
Yeah, I know that.
41:43  Richard
If I send you a picture
41:43
of Glenn firm, and you go Oh,
41:48  Wayne
he's like treat Williams.
41:48
But yeah, that's great. That's
41:54
so basic. That's the end of that
41:54
segment interview. Richard, we
41:59
really appreciate your time
41:59
coming on here today. It's been
42:02
great.
42:04  Richard
It's been an absolute
42:04
blast. Thanks very much.
42:09  Wayne
We hope you enjoyed that
42:09
interview. I really enjoyed it.
42:12
I know Trev really enjoyed it.
42:12
But was it made you think about
42:15
becoming an A Lister trip?
42:17  Trev
It's really opened my eyes
42:17
to how hard somebody Richard
42:21
position has to work to do what
42:21
he does. To be on a seats
42:27
totally blown my ideas of
42:27
stardom right out of the water.
42:33
This is showing these Yeah,
42:33
these ideas of having my hands
42:36
in the old cement on Hollywood
42:36
Boulevard and the star on the
42:39
pavement. I can't see my name
42:39
being on that, to be honest,
42:42
because I'm a lazy sod. And I
42:42
don't want to work that hard for
42:46
it. But he says he's not
42:46
interested in the casting couch.
42:49
Are you interested in that he
42:50  Wayne
will not put it the easy
42:50
way.
42:55  Trev
To be honest, if anybody
42:55
wants to hire why denies extras
43:00
for free on the day, and
43:00
basically, we could stand now
43:03
just look pretty vain out there
43:03
with that, but just don't ask me
43:07
to work in his lifetime. So
43:10  Wayne
thank you, Richard, for
43:10
putting us off our dreams of
43:12
becoming actors. But you know,
43:12
at least the truth is out there.
43:17
I mean, this is all back. So as
43:17
we realize this, we realize now
43:19
I mean, Trevor and I just quick
43:19
story before we end today, put
43:23
our names down. I think it was
43:23
early crowdfunding project in
43:26
the late 90s that we got, I
43:26
don't know where it come from a
43:29
movie magazine or something but
43:29
a trip us to get. And it was a
43:33
movie, whatever it was it come
43:33
through and said, do you want to
43:36
be in a British production with
43:36
Sean Pertwee, and it was called
43:41
legionnaires. So it's important
43:41
that disease is about some sort
43:45
of science fiction.
43:47  Unknown
That would be well,
43:49  Wayne
I can't find it anywhere.
43:49
But you basically pay 200
43:52
pounds, and you could be an
43:52
extra in this movie. I'm Trevor
43:54
Knight will put like he were
43:54
there. You know, but it looks
43:58
like we're the only two I don't
43:58
think 400 quid would have really
44:00
gone a long way in the
44:00
production. So I think they
44:03
cancelled the project. I
44:06  Unknown
think that was I think
44:06
the funding weren't there.
44:08  Wayne
But I'm still we're still
44:08
you know, available for that. We
44:10
put a name down on a company
44:10
called Mad Dog 2020 essence
44:14
drink, isn't it Mad Dog 2020.
44:14
That's it. That's it. I think
44:18
that's a drink from the 90s but
44:21  Trev
not really green and
44:21
syrupy.
44:24  Wayne
But you know that these
44:24
kinds of apps and that you can
44:27
use now if you've got any
44:27
relevant skills, or treads got a
44:29
beard, you know, when they want
44:29
a person with a beard, they'll
44:32
feel that way. He's grown that
44:32
we've spoke about it. But you
44:37
know, if you, you could always
44:37
join one of these casting places
44:42
put a picture on there, put your
44:42
skill, especially if you've got
44:44
skills. Well, I noticed the
44:44
other day I got in the bowels
44:47
den, it said you've been
44:47
shortlisted for one of the gigs
44:52
that basically on this act as an
44:52
extra because you can drive now
44:56
for our broader scale is that
44:56
about 95% of people can drive
45:00  Trev
outline for two I got one
45:00
was could you act like a
45:03
surgeon? skills and I was like
45:03
of course I have What do you
45:07
take?
45:09  Wayne
out Trevor Scissorhands
45:11  Trev
habits like binders like
45:11
Doctor Strange? And the other
45:14
one was can you juggle? Okay,
45:14
well, Dustin Hoffman
45:20  Wayne
jogged me in a movie is
45:20
that enough qualification, but
45:25  Trev
by going back at it, if
45:25
anybody has had an experience as
45:28
an extra, or as an experience of
45:28
working for a casting company,
45:33
by all means, leave us a message
45:33
on the blue microphone button.
45:36
Yeah,
45:36  Wayne
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45:36
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45:41
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45:41
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45:44
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45:44
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45:47
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45:47
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45:51
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45:51
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45:53
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45:53
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45:56
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