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episode 16: All About Subbuteo: Flick My Ball [transcript]



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 2021-04-25  41m
 
 
00:00  intro
You're listening to a mid
00:00
life less ordinary, the weekly
00:05
podcast giving you the lowdown
00:05
on becoming a cool older dude.
00:11
The good times are not afraid of
00:11
memory. It's time to start
00:15
loving them again. And here are
00:15
your hosts Wayne and Travis.
00:24
Yeah, welcome
00:24  Wayne
back to a mid life less
00:24
ordinary everyone. I'm Wayne.
00:27
And this episode is entitled all
00:27
about subito. Flick my bowl, and
00:33
I've got Trev on the substitutes
00:33
bench trivia, okay.
00:36  Trev
I'm looking forward. So
00:36
good ball flicking.
00:41  Wayne
Well, what can I say?
00:42  Trev
my and my index finger is
00:42
exercised. Oh, dear.
00:46  Wayne
Yeah. I can't even get
00:46
through the introduction without
00:49
you going, smutty. It's
00:49
terrible. Sorry about that. But,
00:52
yes. So yeah, thank you. It's
00:52
all about subutteo you know
00:57
anything about subbuteo trev?
00:58  Trev
loved it as a kid.
00:58
painted my own teams. Probably
01:01
little numbers on the bag. I
01:01
wasn't that good at it? Because
01:04
I've never really I tend to make
01:04
I made my own rules up. That was
01:08
a thing I didn't I just stay by
01:08
the robot in that. That's my in
01:10
life anyway. Really? Yeah. When
01:10
I was a kid, I did lots of my
01:14
own rules up but yeah, I really
01:14
enjoyed it. It was a really
01:17
unique I didn't enjoy. And I
01:17
don't think a lot of kids did
01:22
was like ironing the pitch.
01:22
Because when I got it, there was
01:25
oil. Yeah, exactly. And so you
01:25
had to ask your mom to iron the
01:30
pitch. And if she wasn't tired,
01:30
she would
01:35  Wayne
never feel good, though.
01:36  Trev
Yeah, go on. Yeah, go on.
01:36
Because obviously she wouldn't
01:39
let me touch the iron because
01:39
I'd probably just stand and
01:41  Wayne
also cos you need to have
01:41
a flat surface. You just have to
01:43
take the door off the hinges or
01:43
something to lay on
01:46  Trev
boys in my own? Ah, I
01:46
think I'd be a hardball. Yeah.
01:50
It's all if you pinned it to it.
01:50
You had that thing where if you
01:54
pin the pin your pitch out, you
01:54
could like put it behind your
01:57
sofa or something. But then
01:57
obviously your family are
02:00
watching TV and you're like, cuz
02:00
I laid it on the floor is easier
02:04
to lay your pitch on the floor.
02:04
You could never get the creases
02:07
are just bubbling. Yeah,
02:09  Wayne
I think every kid because
02:09
it's before computer games and
02:12
everything. I think every kid
02:12
had to be Oh, collected some of
02:14
the sets I had I had a full
02:14
comprehensive set in the 70s. I
02:18
know I can't believe I'm that
02:18
old everyone. But you know,
02:21
forget that.
02:22  Trev
That's because I haven't
02:22
seen pictures of Yeah, this is
02:24
true. This is your voice. Your
02:24
voice does sound quite Yeah. And
02:27
that
02:28  Wayne
is only because I've used
02:28
a load of EQ to change it. Yeah.
02:32
Benjamin Button. But it's not a
02:32
very curious case,
02:36
unfortunately. But
02:36
unfortunately, I sold my CBO
02:40
stuff, swapped it now actually
02:40
for a race and cheese cake,
02:42
which was like as cheap scalix
02:42
Trix clone in the 70s. American
02:46
TCL Yeah, it was rubbish. And I
02:46
wish I could have it back. So if
02:49
you're out there who I swap that
02:49
with, I'll give you a fiver for
02:52
it back or something like that.
02:52
But we've got we've got a real
02:55
expert on today, somebody who's
02:55
played a very high levels of
02:58
beauty Oh, and an enthusiast.
02:58
He's a an offer. And he's a
03:02
deputy head of a school. And
03:02
you're looking forward to a
03:05
trip.
03:06  Trev
Definitely. Yeah. Because
03:06
obviously now a little bit about
03:08
this. So I thought why there are
03:08
the half half wise to this half,
03:13
half Ernie, as I like to say.
03:16  Wayne
But it's all football. So
03:16
it's all fun. And I'm really
03:18
looking forward to learning a
03:18
bit about as well. So, Sean
03:21
Allison is the guest. And away
03:21
we go. Enjoy. Thanks for joining
03:27
us today. Sean, you're here to
03:27
talk about WTO which is
03:31
something you've been passionate
03:31
about for most of your life. For
03:35
people that maybe don't know too
03:35
much about WTO. Could you just
03:38
explain a little bit about what
03:38
solutio is and how you got
03:41
involved with it, please?
03:43  shaun
Yeah, sure can. Thanks,
03:43
Wayne. So So PTO is a table
03:47
football game that is played on
03:47
a table and it has a football
03:53
pitch and you have 11 players
03:53
each side and you flick them
03:57
around, and it's very, very
03:57
similar to actual football
04:03
really, in terms of how it's
04:03
played. how I got involved. I
04:09
mean, the game itself has
04:09
actually been around in certain
04:12
forms since about 1928. But as
04:12
to beauty owes its 1947 I first
04:20
started playing it, I think I
04:20
was in junior school and it's in
04:23
about 1982 Spain 82 the World
04:23
Cup was in full flow, Linacre
04:30
scoring lots of goals and
04:30
somebody at Bournemouth Park
04:35
Junior School, organised a
04:35
simulation CBT at World Cup, and
04:40
I had a go at that. And I think
04:40
that Trev was there as well for
04:44
that. And that's when I first
04:44
started
04:48  Trev
to be honest, I was the
04:48
apps Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I was
04:54
getting to a ground of it. I
04:54
obviously know a little bit
04:59
about berries played and that
04:59
kind of stuff. But I kind of
05:02
lost contact with the. But it's
05:02
still always fascinated me as
05:08
always, it was really good fun
05:08
to but I don't think I when I
05:11
was playing I don't think I
05:11
played the roles were obviously
05:15
shown the places you've been
05:15
with it is obviously is a lot
05:19
more official and stuff like,
05:19
how how far do you have you
05:22
taken it? How far has he has he
05:22
gone with you if that makes
05:26
sense?
05:26  shaun
Oh, I've been I yeah, so
05:26
I played it as a child and, you
05:31
know, then your teenage years
05:31
kicked in and I stopped playing
05:35
it really. But then I, I kind of
05:35
got back to it in the mid to
05:39
late 90s, where the first school
05:39
that I worked in, had a WTO
05:45
table in the staff room, and you
05:45
know lunchtimes and that there
05:49
was a staff league and I thought
05:49
I remember that, and you know,
05:52
started playing again. And then
05:52
from that one of the other
05:56
teachers was in the wording five
05:56
star table football club. And
06:01
that's where I live now in West
06:01
Sussex. And I then started to
06:04
play at that club, and then
06:04
start to get better and better.
06:09
And at one point, I think it was
06:09
a one my first wording league
06:13
title in 2001. And at one point,
06:13
I was in the top 20 in the
06:19
country. So you know, a pretty
06:19
good level.
06:24  Trev
Yeah, that is something
06:24
else that slide. What do you win
06:27
for that? Shawn?
06:27  Wayne
What do you get a trophy?
06:27
Is there a trophy? Or is it just
06:29
the credit that you get for
06:29
winning?
06:31  shaun
It's it's just the glory
06:31
way? For the glory. The glory,
06:37  Trev
what more do you need?
06:37
What more do you need? Apart
06:40
from all you need? That's it?
06:41  shaun
Absolutely.
06:43  Trev
You don't need the
06:43
training kit on the side. You
06:46
don't need it that is in your
06:46
mind, Glory's there those years?
06:51
Don't probably think back of
06:51
that and will know that.
06:55  shaun
No one's gonna take that
06:55
away from me. Trev. No, but
06:57
exactly. Now, you're
06:58  Trev
right there. You're You're
06:58
spot on. No one would take that.
07:01
Yeah.
07:03  shaun
And, and at that point,
07:03
actually, I also got to play the
07:07
number one player in the world
07:07
who was at that time, it was a
07:11
touch fella called Eric
07:11
bahagian. And now, I mean, at
07:16
that time, all he did was play
07:16
WTO. And he was probably in his
07:21
mid to late 20s. And he had
07:21
sponsorship and everything. And
07:26
it was at the London. Yeah, it
07:26
was in the London international
07:31
tournament. And I was drawn
07:31
against him. And I mean, he was
07:35
a completely, you know,
07:35
different level. So much so that
07:39
he really played me. Oh, yeah.
07:39
Yeah, he he's right handed. And
07:44
he played me left handed. And he
07:44
beat me first.
07:48  Wayne
Ronnie O'Sullivan of the
07:48
beauty Oh, show
07:51  Trev
off. Yeah.
07:53  shaun
Exactly. Exactly. I mean,
07:53
I
07:57  Unknown
yeah,
07:58  Trev
that's real low. Yeah,
07:58
he's low. That
08:01  shaun
is a bit of a low blow.
08:03  Trev
Did you? Did you didn't
08:03
know that. You were gonna play
08:06
you left handed?
08:07  shaun
No, no.
08:09  Trev
All right. Because for
08:09
some reason now when you say
08:12
about the tournament's and stuff
08:12
like I've got this feeling of
08:15
like, it was like, the Cobra Kai
08:15
tournament.
08:20  Wayne
Hill Valley.
08:23  Trev
Hill Valley. That's the
08:23
word Yeah, that's how I was
08:25
losers. Oh, he's he's the man to
08:25
be you know, like kind of break
08:29
one of these players sweep the
08:29
player sweep the player kind of
08:32
thing.
08:33  shaun
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
08:35  Trev
That's how did he he beat
08:38  shaun
Shawn or did you? Did
08:38
you? Well, he absolutely
08:41
annihilated me by the way.
08:42  Trev
He beat me 30 a day like
08:42
don't make him believe it again.
08:47  Wayne
I think we said long
08:47
enough ago to move on a little
08:50
bit. Yeah,
08:51  Trev
I suppose. Are you over it
08:51
now Sean? therapy. I'm
08:55  Wayne
sorry. I apologize.
08:56  shaun
Yes. And frankly Wayne
08:56
you're not helping
08:59  Wayne
me Oh, thank you.
09:00  Trev
I feel bad.
09:04
We were used to leaving the game
09:04
or half time or you know that
09:08
you know your goose was cooked
09:08
kind of thing.
09:10  shaun
No, no, I think he was
09:10
about nine new offer half time
09:15
and after that just
09:16  Wayne
you didn't want to come
09:16
after the second boy the second
09:19  shaun
i think i think that's
09:22  Trev
fine. egeria one
09:23  shaun
point in the second half.
09:23
Do one of my attacks he stopped
09:28
and had a chat with his mate.
09:35  Trev
Yeah, he was terrible.
09:38  Wayne
Trying to encourage
09:38
people to take you up. I don't
09:40
know if anyone's gonna want to
09:40
take
09:45  Trev
you over you guys still
09:45
play now?
09:48  shaun
I don't know. I don't
09:48
know. I think you probably
09:51
immediately once we finish
09:52  Wayne
Yeah, then we're gonna
09:52
have to look for him and do him
09:55
over or something but
09:56  Unknown
he was very good height
09:56
mild.
09:59  Trev
Yes.
10:01  shaun
He was actually gone.
10:05  Trev
How good Could he have
10:05
been? I don't? He did. He must
10:10
have just been.
10:12  shaun
Yeah, I mean, he was.
10:12
When you think of WTO you're
10:17
probably thinking of all the
10:17
players wobbling all over the
10:19
place love Weebles and kind of
10:19
curving around. I mean, he would
10:24
like, flick one of his players
10:24
from his half halfway up the
10:29
pitch, little soft touch into
10:29
the shooting area, and then
10:33
shoot and all incredibly
10:33
quickly. You know, because these
10:37
guys were playing with handmade
10:37
machined bases from Switzerland.
10:44
Incredibly flat, you know,
10:47  Trev
like that. Was that move
10:47
into that kind of thing, then?
10:51
Did you move? Yeah.
10:54  shaun
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I
10:54
had, how much was that? How does
10:59
that handmade Swiss Astro basis,
10:59
which at the time, they cost me
11:04
about 100 quid I think,
11:06  Trev
wow. Really? for that kind
11:06
of stuff.
11:14  Wayne
The clue was in this.
11:17  Trev
If you said to me, what
11:17
country do you do you link with
11:22
WTO. Switzerland would have been
11:22
very low on my list. Very low on
11:26
my list. For base there. Why is
11:26
that?
11:32  shaun
The first time that I
11:32
tried to get a set of these
11:35
bases from Switzerland, I ended
11:35
up in Finland, which, you know,
11:43
obviously didn't know I didn't
11:43
know. On online, you get them.
11:53
And that was accomplished as
11:53
Astro bass. But, but no, and
11:59
that's what yeah, that's high
11:59
quality stuff. You know, the
12:01
goalkeepers are metal, they're
12:01
metal.
12:06  Wayne
You know, as it was
12:06
metal, we would have all of our
12:08
mood collected. So metal
12:12  Trev
when I was when I was
12:12
playing, because I thought the
12:15
advancement in the goalkeepers
12:15
was like this, the springy ones,
12:18
but they were.
12:20  shaun
Yeah, they were gimmicky.
12:20
And I also like the good the
12:27
strange throwing fingers and the
12:27
corner kickers that pivots. Yes.
12:31
Yeah, no, I don't know. For
12:31
those no place for those in the
12:34
professional game.
12:36  Trev
So when you're playing at
12:36
that kind of level, Shawn? Yeah.
12:40
Do you have all the kind of kit
12:40
round you lock the ends and the
12:45
flatten? was, you know, just
12:45
basic table?
12:50  shaun
Yeah, yeah. So you know,
12:50
if you're playing at that level,
12:54
yeah. What you'd have is your
12:54
Astro patriots, which is a high
12:57
high quality pitch. Yeah. On
12:57
MDF. 18 mil MDF? Trev. Yeah,
13:06
besides that, I think,
13:08  Trev
yeah, I know
13:09  shaun
all about that. But the
13:09
point you make is a good one.
13:12
You know about all the stands in
13:12
that because I think that's the
13:15
attraction of the game. Is that
13:15
it appeals to us. Yeah. It
13:22
absolutely. appeals to the
13:22
collectors, the people like, you
13:25
know, collecting all of that
13:25
stuff. The stadiums, the teams,
13:28
all the rest of it. It appeals
13:28
to the people who like it
13:31
painting their own teams, and it
13:31
also appeals to people who like
13:34
play. Yeah. And and I think
13:34
that's why when
13:37  Trev
I was a kid, that's what
13:37
game? Yeah, yeah. Because when I
13:41
was a kid, it used to put my own
13:41
numbers on the back. Yeah, I had
13:45
these clear stickers that you
13:45
can they were they were I will
13:49
get to put on be right. You'd
13:49
achieve something when you put
13:53
them on. But did the players
13:53
have numbers on are they do they
13:57
not have numbers on now? No,
13:59  shaun
no, no, not the high. The
13:59
high quality.
14:05  Trev
As I said before the level
14:05
level I was playing, obviously,
14:08
and have like, two rovers and
14:08
obviously, the Liverpool in the
14:13
world.
14:13  Wayne
On the collectible side,
14:13
Shawn is is there? Like a holy
14:18
grail of a collectible piece or
14:18
a set or something in Sibiu to
14:22
everyone? Yeah.
14:23  shaun
Yeah. I mean, there's all
14:23
probably the one that is well,
14:27
yeah, one of the ones that is
14:27
really sought after is the
14:30
Italian team Palermo. Yes.
14:30
Reference Number nine. And they
14:35
show they do play and they play.
14:38  Trev
Yeah.
14:40  shaun
Yeah. And yeah, they're
14:40
quite rare. And I think these
14:43
days if you're trying to find a
14:43
mentor, Palermo heavyweight to
14:47
him from the late sort of 60s
14:47
that set you back about 350 quid
14:51
I would imagine now. Wow. Whoo
14:51
sandwich. Yeah. Back in the 80s
15:00  Wayne
Yeah, exactly. What is
15:00
the inflationary kind of probe?
15:04
What was the price of a set when
15:04
you was collecting this stuff?
15:06
Sure. For a set of team.
15:12  shaun
I mean, it would vary
15:12
because you'd quite often get
15:15
them from a boot sale for 50 P.
15:15
Yeah. But then, you know, the
15:19
red teams, you can pick them up
15:19
on eBay for, you know, anything
15:23
upwards of 10 pound up to over
15:23
400 pounds. So, you know, huge
15:29
variety really. So,
15:30  Trev
let's see, I'm trying to
15:30
think when I when I applied, and
15:34
I was, yeah, I think I think the
15:34
teams were about one night in
15:39
because I think this sets, yeah,
15:39
like kind of four years ago,
15:43
we're about a year 1820 quid
15:43
like the world had the spine 80
15:48
to one when I played in that
15:48
tournament that the school has
15:52
shown and I went to, and yeah, I
15:52
think they're about 20 quid. But
15:56
my big thing I remember doing
15:56
was having it was about right.
16:00
Yeah, I think so. And the thing
16:00
I remember having was I think it
16:04
must have been either Liverpool
16:04
or man, you know, I did. I
16:09
actually painted my own raw the
16:09
rover's mill Chester's team.
16:13
Yeah, she had more rice up
16:13
front, because I painted his
16:16
hair yellow. So it was blonde.
16:16
So that's why I supply because I
16:21
used to get raw the rovers when
16:21
I was a kid, so obviously, that
16:24
was a big thing. And like,
16:24
because I've already been a
16:26
football, then do I paint it?
16:26
Because I do paint their own
16:29
teams as well.
16:31  shaun
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah,
16:31
there are people that are
16:35
obsessed with that. And, and,
16:35
and, you know, I think that's
16:37
why it's still so collectible.
16:37
Now, you know, because I think
16:42
there was some stat, I can't
16:42
remember what it was. But
16:45
towards the end of the 70s,
16:45
early 80s, I think it was
16:48
something like 90% of young boys
16:48
in between the ages of 10 and
16:54
30. Had a subview to set now. So
16:54
that I mean, there's a huge
16:58
number out there. That that
17:02  Trev
is obviously what they
17:02
find their penises because
17:06
obviously,
17:08  Wayne
right sorry about that
17:08
shows. Yeah, yeah.
17:13  Trev
Yeah, sorry. I did. Yeah.
17:20  Wayne
Lucky, I put us in the
17:20
explicit section on Apple
17:22
podcast.
17:24  Trev
Yeah, yes. Be honest. I'll
17:24
do what is called an hour into
17:31  Wayne
it let you say it twice,
17:31
because I couldn't believe it.
17:33
But
17:35  Trev
no, I know. It's exactly
17:35
yeah.
17:38  Wayne
I kind of know what
17:38
you're saying. Yeah, there was a
17:40
sort of truth in that question.
17:40
of sorts.
17:43  shaun
Yes. Yeah. I think so.
17:43
How about reflection?
17:54  Trev
That Dutch guy to get that
17:54
good? How would you practice a
17:57
home? How do you practice you
17:57
just play the other guy in the
18:02
club with him, but I don't well,
18:02
how'd you trained to become a
18:05
professional YuGiOh player?
18:09  shaun
Well, he he told me that
18:09
I asked him that, you know,
18:13
after it absolutely smashed me.
18:22
I asked him that. And he told me
18:22
that he practiced for 10 hours
18:27
every day. on his own. Not
18:31  Trev
really?
18:32  shaun
Oh, no, no, no,
18:36  Trev
I think what do you think
18:36
You surprise me? You surprise
18:40
me.
18:41  Unknown
Surprise. Yeah.
18:47  shaun
I'm really. Oh, yeah. I
18:47
have a bit of a bit good. We
18:52  Wayne
both hands. Yes.
18:55  Trev
Don't I don't understand
18:55
how you can practice on your
18:58
own. What do you just how do you
18:58
get the skill? I don't Yeah.
19:04  shaun
Not really the practice.
19:04
You're sliding and you're
19:07
shooting. So you'd have your
19:07
pitch set up and you have yes
19:12
and place that happened? You had
19:12
practice trying to slide up?
19:19  Unknown
It sounds like double
19:19
entendre.
19:21
Yeah, absolutely.
19:23  shaun
I just realized it as
19:23
that was.
19:27  Wayne
Don't encourage him.
19:30  shaun
Yeah, so I'll say that.
19:36  Trev
Shooting a question.
19:36
Totally. I've got everything I
19:47
need to know there. Real life
19:47
terms? I know exactly. But it
19:52
does make sense to be honest
19:52
because
19:55  Wayne
even try to try to be
19:55
serious now.
20:03  shaun
trip in snooker. You know
20:03
how they would try it? Yeah,
20:06
it's up to your ball.
20:09  Unknown
Yes, yeah.
20:11  Trev
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
20:14  shaun
That's what you're trying
20:14
to achieve. Yeah,
20:16  Trev
I suppose it, I suppose
20:16
really, it's the same as like, a
20:20
real football team practicing
20:20
set pieces. Is that
20:24  shaun
isn't it? Exactly. Yeah.
20:24
pitchers in he's they're a
20:28
tactical style player. Funny you
20:28
should say that true? Because in
20:34
some ways, there's a lot of
20:34
similarities. And this might
20:37
surprise you between CBT Oh, and
20:37
chess? because
20:43  Trev
surely don't believe me,
20:43
please.
20:52  shaun
Let me expand on this.
20:52
It's a game of strategy. Yeah.
20:58
Yeah. as as as a football, you
20:58
know, because you'd have a
21:02
strategy. Before you start, you
21:02
know, you've got to think about
21:06
in the same way, when you're
21:06
playing chess, you've got to
21:08
think about your cheese, your,
21:08
your pieces, and your moves
21:12
about five or six moves ahead.
21:12
That's what you got to do with
21:15
abuse. Yeah, you know, you're
21:15
thinking about that long. flick
21:19
up, but you're also trying to
21:19
think about where that's going
21:21
to go to who's going to shoot,
21:21
etc, etc. So very, very similar.
21:27
It's a very demanding game
21:27
physically and mentally.
21:33  Wayne
So as I said, I was
21:33
hoping to do apps I wouldn't
21:35
have to play football in real
21:35
life, but I think I will stick
21:37
to the football.
21:40  Trev
Guys, the guys that played
21:40
should pugio Yeah, this kind of
21:45
level club level. Will they like
21:45
the sort of same shape as dark
21:49
players and snooker players?
21:51  Wayne
What are you trying to
21:51
say? elaborate on that trip? We
21:53
don't sure what you mean.
21:53
Remember in the 2021, as well.
22:02  Trev
I'm still in the Werber,
22:02
Nick and I that's the problem.
22:07
Yeah. If our younger listeners
22:07
don't know who bill WorkKeys
22:12
look, then then you're looking
22:12
at what I'm talking about.
22:17  shaun
Yeah, there will be very
22:17
few that we know it cook
22:19
Stephens trip.
22:25  Trev
Get it? I get it. Yeah.
22:25
Yeah. There's no, there's no
22:29
there's drip. dropped off. Kind
22:29
of. Yeah. And it's not like
22:40
a kind of flash support. You
22:40
know, in a lot of sports. You
22:44
get this flash posers. Ah. So,
22:44
yeah, you don't get that you
22:51
don't get like guy walking into
22:51
like a tournament in his
22:54
sunglasses with
22:58  shaun
the golden. surprised to
22:58
hear that you don't as a rule,
23:04
if he were to walk into a speech
23:04
tournament was going on? You
23:13
guys be naive to say that. Yeah.
23:13
It's it's just, you know, a rich
23:17
and diverse cross section of
23:17
middle aged men society, right.
23:20
Except I think, yeah. Eric
23:20
bahagian was the exception
23:27
because he, not only was he very
23:27
good, but he was also a bit of a
23:30
poster boy of solutio. In the
23:33  Trev
late 90s. Yeah.
23:35  Unknown
Yeah. Yeah.
23:37  Trev
You can see now, look this
23:37
guy up. Yeah. Good afternoon,
23:40
but
23:40  Wayne
I died down a very small
23:40
amount as the same as all the
23:43
other podcasts. We do have
23:43
research on them. So beauty, and
23:48
I found a video of a World Cup.
23:48
I think it was quite a few years
23:52
ago. And it was something of
23:52
Scotland versus well, Sean, I
23:56
don't know if you're familiar.
23:57  shaun
I remember the one that
23:57
you told me.
24:01  Wayne
Yes, right. Yeah. And he
24:01
did. He seemed quite tense. And
24:05
I don't know if they were taking
24:05
it serious. Is that serious?
24:08
That kind of intensity?
24:10  shaun
Absolutely serious. Yeah.
24:10
Because I think at the end of
24:13
that shot, you're talking about
24:13
what it ends up with. I think
24:18
it's the Welsh fella, who I
24:18
think his name is Karl and and
24:22
he scores and he shouts out
24:22
justice and Yes, that's right.
24:25
Yep. Yeah. Yeah, that's what
24:25
that is quite famous. Yeah.
24:31
Yeah, absolutely serious. And
24:31
yeah, I mean, in Malta, it was a
24:38
professional sport at one point
24:38
and people yeah. People had had
24:44
sponsorships and a living out of
24:44
it.
24:47  Wayne
Wow. good amount of beer.
24:50  Trev
You get crowd violence.
24:50
Who know you know sometimes what
24:59
is coming up Move on.
25:02  shaun
Occasionally, you might
25:02
get family members of the
25:05
players falling asleep and
25:10  Wayne
we've gone over it here,
25:10
but we've put a lot of his life
25:13
into tray. Oh, yeah.
25:15  Trev
Yeah, we all really kind
25:15
of Yeah. All right. Sorry.
25:19
Apologize.
25:20  Wayne
For anyone who's
25:20
listening who is still into this
25:23
abuser, we apologize. But I do
25:23
if you listen to our other
25:26
podcast, you'll know what we're
25:26
about.
25:29  Trev
You know, I found it quite
25:29
hard to actually believe that it
25:32
was taken that seriously. So if
25:32
you have any offense, it's all
25:36
on me. Yeah, it's
25:38  Wayne
right to him at sunset.
25:40  Trev
I'll give you his address.
25:44  Wayne
But, no, so you take this
25:44
apart? Do you still play Shawn?
25:50  shaun
I don't play at the
25:50
moment I enjoyed.
26:00  Trev
Boundaries. fingernails.
26:05  shaun
Explain off tightwad. Oh,
26:05
okay. Yes, sir. Thank you, sir.
26:11  Wayne
Sorry, if I'd known him
26:11
if I was I wouldn't have asked
26:13
the question.
26:17  Trev
Do you want to? Do you
26:17
want to get back into it,
26:21
though?
26:22  shaun
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. At some
26:22
point.
26:26  Wayne
Yeah. Hopefully some
26:26
people are listening and they
26:29
want to play somebody who has
26:29
played the number one player in
26:33
the world was experienced. Yeah,
26:35  Trev
yeah.
26:36  Wayne
Then get in touch with us
26:36
at www dot mlo podcast.com. And
26:40
the little blue microphone sign,
26:40
leave us a message, we'll put
26:43
you in touch with Shawn, because
26:43
it will want to. I'm taking it
26:47
for granted. But it may be a way
26:47
to keep in touch
26:50  Trev
shows by our A B outline
26:50
it so they get in contact. And
26:53
we're we're not we
26:55  Wayne
won't give your personal
26:55
details. Don't worry. We're not
26:58
that nice like that loosen? I
26:58
don't know You obviously,
27:02
hopefully, you've listened to
27:02
the podcast before shows. And we
27:06
have a segment called test Trev.
27:06
And we've changed that for
27:08
season two, as people will be
27:08
aware. And we now call it test
27:13
the guest and we're hoping you
27:13
wouldn't mind taking part. I'd
27:16
love to excellent. And he is the
27:16
new Jenkins for it.
27:20  Unknown
Test, test, test the
27:20
guest test guest.
27:28  Wayne
So I hope you didn't
27:28
escape, Shawn, but
27:31  shaun
some jingle
27:32  Wayne
jingle is probably
27:32
professional.
27:34  Trev
We're not talking about
27:34
music this season. We've got it.
27:39
We've got it. I'll tell
27:40  Wayne
you what Shawn was so
27:40
comprehensive was introduction
27:42
to CBT. I was actually asked one
27:42
of the questions already in
27:46  Trev
that one, then a brilliant
27:48  Wayne
production would have a
27:48
backup question already ready to
27:51
go. But we're not we're not
27:51
professional. So I'm just going
27:54
to ask it. I think I'll ask that
27:54
question to Trev. And he should
27:57
have been listening when you
27:57
said it so it'd be quite fun
28:01  Trev
to tension outside now
28:02  Wayne
but I'll start with
28:02
shoulders. I've got a question.
28:03
That's not I mean, not being
28:03
funny for the knowledge he's got
28:06
he's kind of struggle with this
28:06
but hopefully give the people
28:09
some background knowledge as
28:09
well. So question one, two
28:11
usual. So beauty Oh was
28:11
originally to be called a table
28:18
flick football. So I don't know
28:18
why I'm laughing. That's not
28:22
funny. Table flick football. Be
28:22
football crazy. See, hobby, or D
28:29
football collector?
28:32  shaun
Well, any self respecting
28:32
WTO fan would know that Peter
28:37
Adolphe the inventor.
28:47
He might have listened anyway.
28:47
He was a very keen birdwatcher,
28:53
and he wanted to, you
28:54  Wayne
know stuff. Yes,
28:55  shaun
he wanted to call it the
28:55
hobby, but for trademark reasons
28:59
he couldn't. So of course, the
28:59
hobby is Falco's tribute to the
29:03
bird. So that's why oh, my God,
29:05  Wayne
I was gonna give that
29:05
backup information and you've
29:07
done it. You actually give the
29:07
backup information with the with
29:14  Trev
the answer. Mobley is
29:14
probably one of the most concise
29:19
answers. We can't
29:20  Wayne
believe it is reading my
29:20
screen.
29:29  Trev
My haze after you show
29:29
that is incredible.
29:32  Wayne
Yeah, the thing is Sean's
29:32
actually in that answer as
29:35
answered about three of the
29:35
questions I was gonna ask. So
29:38
now, it's a test of whether
29:38
Trump's been listening. So,
29:42
right, good. Second question to
29:42
Trev. So BTO is derived from the
29:47
Neo scientific name, which is a
29:47
bird of prey known as the
29:52
raising you in the hobby? Sorry,
29:52
that was the answer. Sorry. I'm
29:55
giving you the bloody answer.
29:55
That's an outtake. Sorry. I
30:03
don't know what I'm doing now.
30:03
See what's happened? was
30:05
somebody come on and knows all
30:05
the answers? I can't can't deal
30:07
with it. Sorry. Next question to
30:07
Trev. I don't want to do the
30:11
creator of CBT owes nice walks.
30:11
And I was really careful about
30:17
how I done the questions here
30:17
except for a confused people. So
30:20
I was it Philip Hitler. Was it?
30:25
was it was it a filius? fridge?
30:25
Oh, come on.
30:49  Trev
Please.
30:53  Wayne
Well done. In QA, I can't
30:53
ask us to note because he's
30:59
already answered that. So I'm
30:59
gonna go to the next one. He's
31:04
already answered that as well.
31:04
Oh, my God. Basically, this
31:07
whole segment is
31:12  Trev
shown. I've just asked me
31:12
a question.
31:17  Wayne
And answers the five
31:17
questions. We wonder the
31:19
question answers, we wonder the
31:19
questions. So I need to I've got
31:22
one more question. For sure.
31:22
deshawn can actually answer that
31:26
as he actually mentioned. And
31:26
then I'll go back and ask you.
31:29
So I'll give Shawn this one.
31:29
Which of these other sports has
31:34
WTO sets available for it? Is it
31:34
basketball? Is it hockey? Is it
31:40
Showtime? Is it ice hockey? So
31:40
you I don't know. I'm laughing
31:46
I'm just trying now. He's having
31:46
some dramatic effect to it.
31:55  shaun
Because you haven't
31:55
included the obvious.
31:57  Wayne
No, I didn't include the
31:57
one you're thinking I know.
32:00  shaun
That's that's good
32:00
question in their way. Thank
32:02
you. I'm gonna go hockey.
32:06  Wayne
He was never in doubt.
32:06
But I'm glad I like the kind of
32:09
strip tenseness you put
32:12  Trev
out. Yeah, thank you. The
32:12
obvious one in cricket, or
32:15  Unknown
cricket
32:16  Wayne
and rugby. Yeah, they
32:16
were the other two I'd be editor
32:19
if I left them out because it
32:19
was
32:22  Trev
a cricket guy swimming,
32:22
called Test match wasn't there?
32:26  shaun
yet. It was Test match
32:26
winning very quality trap. We
32:29
don't like to talk about
32:29
snobbery
32:34  Trev
on it. I mean, how does
32:34
that work? Well,
32:40  shaun
in the past, because,
32:40
because there was a spoof advert
32:45
to swimming. Obama really,
32:49  Trev
and I can I view this
32:49
somewhere later on.
32:56  shaun
On the interweb you'll
32:56
find it.
33:00  Trev
I'm looking forward to
33:00
jeeps trip?
33:04  Wayne
Check. I've got another
33:04
question. Yeah. You've got
33:06
another question. You need. This
33:06
is already Sean's already
33:09
answered this in one of his
33:09
elaborate answers. So. So do you
33:13
is is a test of your ears again.
33:13
I need to prove you wouldn't
33:17
have been in set 17. So when?
33:17
When were the first WTO sets
33:22
made available? Was it
33:22
1922 1961 1947 or 1955?
33:32  shaun
Colin Trev focus
33:34  Trev
has been mentioned 1922.
33:34
Can you give him
33:45  shaun
nicely what you've done?
33:45
What you've done there is you've
33:49
confused new footy, which was a
33:49
table football game produced by
33:55
William Keeling in 90s. Trying
33:55
to save you now. He didn't he
34:01
didn't trademark that. And Peter
34:01
Otto subito. In 1947.
34:06  Wayne
You knew that? Yeah.
34:08  Trev
Yeah. So you can see where
34:08
I was going wrong, then you can?
34:12  Unknown
Yeah, yeah.
34:14  Wayne
I can see money sliding
34:14
under the table.
34:17  Trev
Yeah, I appreciate you
34:17
digging me out. It's very good.
34:20  shaun
I've done this for you
34:20
all my life trip.
34:28  Wayne
I don't think we're gonna
34:28
have such an elaborate questions
34:32
in our test test the case ever
34:32
again. And I'm going to have to
34:37
spend a bit longer doing my
34:37
production for the quiz for now.
34:43
Most of them in the first place.
34:43
Where does the name derive from
34:48
what the word the creator's name
34:48
the Latin Neo Latin, which is
34:54
the bird of prey known as the
34:54
raising hobby and the ACA Join
35:00
his armies. I'm impressed to be
35:00
fair. But just to sort of sum
35:07
up, I suppose. I've sort of in
35:07
my basic research, which
35:12
obviously doesn't work as we can
35:12
see, and I found out that subito
35:16
started dying a death when
35:16
computer games started taking
35:19
off, Shawn it would you say
35:19
that's true?
35:22  shaun
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
35:22
Because, you know, and we
35:27
probably saw that ourselves.
35:27
Yeah. Why would you get out CBOT
35:31
pitch, I get it all set up, get
35:31
all the players, we can just
35:34
turn on you that expectrum. And
35:34
it's all there for you. Cool. So
35:37
yeah, you can
35:39  Wayne
basically from a computer
35:39
game a lot simpler, easier to
35:43
then the game. Is there anything
35:43
you'd like to know as a summary?
35:48
drove better beauty
35:49  Trev
myself, and there was
35:49
never a computerized version of
35:53
it? Was there never a computer
35:53
guy associate recipe? Do
35:57  Unknown
you call it simulated
35:57
though? It was.
36:00  shaun
I think there was true.
36:00
Yeah, but it but it was never
36:06  Trev
know. But I can just I can
36:06
see it. Yeah, it might work. But
36:10
it can see it wouldn't work as
36:10
well. I don't completely
36:13
understand. So really, what
36:13
we're saying is FIFA has taken
36:17
over from Serbia. Really? Yes.
36:17
Yes.
36:20  shaun
Well, that's that breaks
36:20
my heart to hear it. But yeah,
36:23
it does really
36:26  Wayne
mean the thing is, you
36:26
mean you've just broken it to
36:31
trade? I think you knew that
36:31
already.
36:33  shaun
But what you just said
36:33
that? I believe?
36:46  Wayne
Is there any people that
36:46
are listening for their serious
36:49
passive beauty? Oh, is there any
36:49
resources for people that maybe
36:54
want to get involved now that
36:54
you would recommend?
36:57  shaun
Yeah, so there's a
36:57
national organization, the
36:59
English serbisyo Association,
36:59
you can if you just Google them,
37:03
I think they have a list of
37:03
clubs on their website, and you
37:06
should be able to find one, you
37:06
know, fairly local. And, and,
37:11
you know, just just just go
37:11
along, you know, I mean, in my
37:13
experience, all the tournament's
37:13
all the clubs I played in at
37:17
once get really friendly. And
37:17
yeah, yeah, it just go along and
37:21
enjoy it. Lovely. That's
37:21
brilliant. Shawn. Thank
37:23  Wayne
you. Very lucky for that.
37:23
And it's been fun as well. And
37:28
we, we thank you for joining us
37:28
today and giving us your
37:32
bedroom.
37:32  Trev
I do apologize to actually
37:32
the people. Yeah,
37:35  Wayne
take me seriously. You
37:35
know what we're up to?
37:38  Trev
You. We know. There's no
37:38
offense, man. No. Because
37:42
obviously, Shawn took it very
37:42
seriously. Yeah, it's just
37:46
because you said a completely
37:46
different world. Yeah, me now to
37:50
what I was when I was a kid. So
37:50
no offense meant by and it's
37:54
been a really entertaining
37:54
episode doing it. Yeah, it
37:56
really has. Excellent. Thanks
37:56
for joining us today, guys.
37:59  Wayne
Cheers.
38:00  Unknown
Thank you very much,
38:00  Trev
Shawn.
38:01  Wayne
Thank you. What I found
38:01
that really interesting Trev I
38:09
mean, there's a few bits there
38:09
that were quite shocking to me.
38:11
And obviously, Sean's played at
38:11
a very high level. What did you
38:14
think?
38:15  Trev
Yeah, he obviously was
38:15
definitely a good player. And he
38:18
must have a really good
38:18
temperament because that Dutch
38:21
guy if he would, if he would, if
38:21
he took the Michael out of me
38:25
like that plane left handed and
38:25
showered off, he would have just
38:29
got punched in the throat. I
38:29
don't care. I don't ride it
38:33
would have been like the day and
38:35  Wayne
I would you know,
38:37  Trev
he would have got one in
38:37
right in his chest. To be
38:39
honest. I sure must have taken
38:39
that really well. Yeah. Is it
38:44
that that's just that's just
38:44
taking the Mickey on it? Yeah,
38:47
really play left Andy because
38:47
like
38:49  Wayne
when he was a pinup as
38:49
well as what he's had it all
38:51
goes on.
38:53  Trev
David, David Cassidy was
38:53
the PR Andre afflicted kick get
39:01
to know now that might
39:07  Wayne
get back in your clubs in
39:09  Unknown
a saga.
39:10  Wayne
Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
39:10
yeah. Oh, come on, and justify
39:14
yourself.
39:14  Trev
And by the way, we're not
39:14
having a pulpit all the Dutch
39:17
nation now. Now we've got your
39:17
calls. All of you have just one.
39:19
But yeah, just one particular
39:19
show. What was his name? On the
39:24
gear? Yes.
39:26  Wayne
It couldn't be a unique
39:26
Kabbalah from that one.
39:29  Trev
Vain world geek.
39:32  Wayne
But yeah, I find a lot in
39:32
that I find it really
39:34
interesting. subject. Lots of
39:34
beauty, so much to it. And I
39:38
didn't realize it was obviously
39:38
played so seriously. So thank
39:40
you very much. Yeah, I
39:41  Trev
did to be honest. Yeah.
39:41
You know, I had a bit of
39:43
background on that. I know how
39:43
serious they take and stuff.
39:47
Yeah, great. I know. To be fired
39:47
the room, I'd probably take it
39:51
up again. Yeah, I really would.
39:51
Because you'd have to sell some
39:54
trainers first. Yeah, and to be
39:54
honest, I think my advice would
39:58
be to team would probably My bad
39:58
and my real team in real life
40:02
who used to be? Well, obviously,
40:02
I'll probably be spurs again.
40:05
They'd probably I'd probably
40:05
mean, literally bad it might
40:08
might disburse up it would
40:08
probably be better than the
40:11
Spurs team in real life.
40:12  Wayne
I thought you'd have
40:12
Birmingham. But
40:15  Unknown
sorry, that's,
40:16  Trev
that's just heritage Yeah.
40:20  Wayne
Now is it really
40:20
enjoyable? I just I don't think
40:22
I'm going to be looking out for
40:22
the boat sales
40:25  Trev
salesman is the room if I
40:25
had the room, I'd do it,
40:28  Wayne
I would go back into it.
40:28
And as always, if you've got any
40:31
questions, any one that we can
40:31
pass on to Sean and he'll answer
40:33
them for you could visit the
40:33
website WWW dot mlo podcast.com.
40:38
We're always looking to hear
40:38
from you. Or if you want to be a
40:40
guest at some point, you've got
40:40
an interest or something want to
40:43
come on and discuss. We'll talk
40:43
about anything to be honest.
40:46
We'll we'll give you a landscape
40:46
to put your your hobby across.
40:52
So please get in touch. So yeah,
40:52
thanks for listening.
40:55  Trev
All Time.
40:56  Wayne
Yeah, full time and no
40:56
injuries. So we'll we'll end it
40:59
there. Thanks, Trev. And I'll
40:59
see you on the next. Bye Bye,
41:02
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