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episode 17: Playing Chess: Queen Bashes Bishop [transcript]



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 2021-05-02  38m
 
 
00:00  intro
You're listening to a
00:02
mid life less ordinary,
00:04
the weekly podcast giving you
00:04
the lowdown on becoming a cool
00:09
older dude. The good times are
00:12
not afraid of memory.
00:14
It's time to start loving them
00:14
again.
00:16
And here are your hosts Wayne
00:16
and trap.
00:23  Wayne
Yeah, welcome back
00:23
everyone welcome to a midlife
00:25
less ordinary. And as usual, I
00:25
am Wayne. And today's title is
00:31
playing chess and subtitled
00:31
Queen bashes Bishop tribs.
00:36
Getting these bald out trif
00:39  Trev
checkmate. No one was an
00:39
email voice from from the young
00:47
ones which was seven seven seal
00:47
was it we met? Yes. When the
00:52
replies is it being the young
00:52
ones after that based on
00:55
swearing in, so I didn't do
00:55
everyone would be looking.
00:58
turning over a new leaf now I'm
00:58
not gonna kind of not going to
01:01
be so cheeky. Oh, yeah,
01:03  Wayne
I believe that. Yeah.
01:03
Sorry to everyone. He's just
01:05
being silly. He's obviously had
01:05
to sneeze. Yeah. Exactly. Yes.
01:14
Trade today. chess. What do you
01:14
know about chess?
01:18  Trev
I can't even play it.
01:18
Well, this is why we're doing
01:21
it. Can't even play it. Again.
01:21
It looks quite funky when you
01:25
see in the film for their time
01:25
and that kind of stuff in the
01:27
movies, but I know nothing about
01:27
it. So hopefully Gary can Yeah.
01:33
This is Yeah. Today's special
01:33
guest is Gary perks. by trade.
01:37
He's
01:37  Wayne
a ceramic tiler of high
01:37
quality, I believe. And by night
01:41
he's a knight to being a chess
01:41
piece. Is that right? Yeah, very
01:45
good. He by night either is a
01:45
championship chess player, he
01:49
plays at county level. And he's
01:49
going to tell us all about the
01:52
tactics, the kind of stress
01:52
levels and the skill that you
01:56
have to have basically to to
01:56
play chess, which I find quite
02:00
stressful. I played chess before
02:00
but
02:02  Trev
it looks stressful to the
02:02
to the chess guy like me. Window
02:08
seating, the Elkins center, old
02:08
vines pulsing not those kind of
02:11
vines in the head
02:12  Wayne
of what was going to
02:12
change over a new leaf about 30
02:15
seconds ago,
02:16  Trev
it last year and a half.
02:16
But yeah,
02:26  Wayne
I find it quite
02:26
stressful. He's just because I
02:27
don't like to get myself in that
02:27
zone where you're thinking four
02:30
or five moves ahead. I find the
02:30
same with snooker. I prefer to
02:33
just smash the balls, as I say.
02:33
But yeah, sorry. I didn't mean
02:38
to mean to do that. But
02:41  Trev
yeah, just tell us how you
02:41
feel wine.
02:43  Wayne
Yeah. So yeah, I didn't
02:43
add sorry, everyone. I didn't
02:45
know that. I wouldn't do that on
02:45
purpose. Exactly. But yeah,
02:48
that's why Gary is here today to
02:48
help us out. We've learned about
02:52
chess, and hopefully everyone
02:52
find it interesting. So we'll go
02:56
over to Gary.
02:57  Trev
Thank you, Gary.
03:00  Wayne
Thanks for joining us
03:00
today, Gary. We were looking
03:02
forward to finding out something
03:02
about chess, which is not
03:04
something we currently know much
03:04
about. So hoping you can fill
03:07
our guests in with it. So
03:08  Trev
welcome to the show. I
03:08
can't even I can't even play it,
03:12
let alone know anything about
03:12
it. HBO at some point.
03:18  Gary
Thanks for inviting me on.
03:18
It's good to be here.
03:20  Trev
So no problem. No problem
03:20
at all.
03:23  Wayne
So can you tell us a bit
03:23
Gary about where you started
03:25
playing and how old you were?
03:27  Gary
Yeah, of course again. So
03:27
basically, I started playing at
03:32
my junior school. Now. I was a
03:32
big fan of bald games. Anyway,
03:35
all the normal ones clewd Oh,
03:35
Scrabble. And obviously, we had
03:39
a new headmaster, Turner Pascoe.
03:39
And with him, he bought this
03:43
game called chess. So
03:43
straightaway, I was like, what's
03:46
this? This looks good. And
03:46
obviously, I didn't have a clue
03:49
how to play it. So obviously, I
03:49
said to one of my friends, I
03:53
said, You do know how to play
03:53
that. And he happens to know our
03:55
players. So one lunchtime, we
03:55
sat down, and he showed me a
04:00
play. And I was hooked hooked
04:00
from the start. It's just such a
04:05
good game. So obviously, I got
04:05
good at it quickly. So I learned
04:10
a play. Two weeks later, I was
04:10
playing on board six in the
04:14
chess team. I just naturally
04:14
good at it. I picked it up that
04:17
quick. And I was winning that
04:17
game as well. So yeah, yes.
04:22
After two weeks after learning,
04:22
I was playing in the team and
04:24
winning. So you like the
04:24
technical side if you enjoy
04:28
something, isn't it? I like
04:28
things where you have to think
04:32
and work things out. And that is
04:32
what chess it's, it's a hard
04:36
game to teach someone because
04:36
you can learn how to move the
04:39
pieces, but it's knowing what to
04:39
do with them. And that is the
04:43
Battle of chess knowing what to
04:43
do. Yes. Now. What am I really?
04:53  Trev
Yeah, yeah,
04:55  Wayne
we do. We do. We do a
04:55
very basic amount of research
04:58
for this show, Gary? You know
04:58
that you think it was like a
05:01
panorama? But we, we, we found
05:01
out? I don't know, obviously you
05:08
play chess and you play it to a
05:08
great level. But we found out
05:12
that it's like the origins of
05:12
chess go back about 1500 years,
05:15
apparently, in India, right,
05:16  Gary
though it does go back a
05:16
long way. And I think you're
05:18
right, actually, yeah, you're
05:18
right. Does it? Did it originate
05:21
in India? I believe it does go
05:21
back a long way. I mean,
05:24
medieval, sort of, he comes with
05:24
the medieval fame as well. That
05:29
pulls you in as well.
05:31  Trev
He said, Well, the PCs are
05:31
named after Gary. They really
05:34
didn't sort of medieval side of
05:34
it. Well, I
05:36  Gary
don't know really, to be
05:36
honest. I mean, I don't know. I
05:39
mean, when you learn as a kid,
05:39
poems or problems,
05:43  Wayne
you be careful what you
05:43
say Trevs on
05:50  Gary
call souls. And I wish I
05:50
could say
05:56  Trev
that, yeah,
05:57  Gary
yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,
05:57
that's the way we sort of
05:59
learned ways like that in the
05:59
early days. But you know, the
06:04
trouble with chess, there is so
06:04
many different ways you can go
06:09
with a game. Now, obviously, I
06:09
could have got to a really high
06:14
level, if I'd have studied. And
06:14
that means heading chess books
06:19
all the time, learning every
06:19
possible scenario opening when
06:23
I'm most played at you. But I
06:23
couldn't do that. To play to
06:27
play.
06:28  Trev
Right. So yeah. So what
06:28
you're saying is, can you read
06:32
about all these moves? Or do you
06:32
practice it against yourself? Or
06:35
do you go back?
06:38  Gary
Well,back in the day, when
06:38
I was obviously only seven,
06:41
eight, I wanted to play 24.
06:41
Seven. But obviously, we didn't
06:44
have the internet. So I could
06:44
only play at school. And my poor
06:48
mom went to the library and got
06:48
a book. Like sort of four hours,
06:53
and she learned that she learned
06:53
to play, but are then back in
06:57
tears because she weren't any
06:57
good.
07:05  Wayne
She tried to make you
07:05
dinner.
07:12  Trev
I do that because I just
07:12
got beat full stop by my
07:16
parents.
07:18  Wayne
Get your world's smallest
07:18
violin out.
07:25  Trev
Gary, when you
07:26  Wayne
start playing I know I
07:26
used to play chess funny enough
07:29
a similar kind of ages you
07:29
started and then it's all give
07:32
it up because patients needed i
07:32
think but I know the first thing
07:36
you kind of learn once you've
07:36
learned the basics is the Is it
07:39
free move checkmate or
07:39
something?
07:41  Gary
Well, that's obviously
07:41
what you do. As a kid. There's
07:43
two there's even a two movement.
07:43
There's what? There's what they
07:47
call the falls mate, which is,
07:47
which is a full move, mate. But
07:50
you only play that on people
07:50
that really haven't got a clue.
07:53
So and you know, they're
07:53
absolutely
08:00  Wayne
because they'll just
08:00
laughing because you're doing
08:02
joy. Yeah,
08:03  Gary
yeah. But the one thing
08:03
that I've learned over the years
08:07
and I would never ever, ever do
08:07
it again, is sitting down in
08:12
front of a child. I'm thinking
08:12
this is gonna be easy. Because I
08:17
come know, yeah. Yeah, cuz
08:22  Trev
really keep me as good as
08:22
I was called me.
08:25  Gary
To be honest. I played a
08:25
lot of my best chess as a kid,
08:29
purely because I had no worries.
08:29
I had a clear head every day
08:33
when I went. So I had no work.
08:33
No mortgage, no bills, no
08:37
oversight. Yeah. And that's when
08:37
I play my best chess. Because
08:42
when I sit down at the fold,
08:42
that's all I've got in there is
08:45
that game? I'm not thinking I've
08:45
got to do that job tomorrow.
08:48
There's nothing in there. It's
08:48
an empty head. So as a kid,
08:50
yeah.
08:51  Wayne
You should be good at
08:51
this. Trevor is about empty
08:53
heads. Yeah.
08:58  Trev
You could that you could
08:58
have that worldwide you could
08:59
have. Remember, I never forget,
08:59
vengeance is a dish served cold.
09:07
Oh, come on, Bill.
09:09  Wayne
Thanks very much for that
09:09
this is about chairs. Gary, do
09:16
the same thing in reverse then.
09:16
So when you've had a bad day,
09:19
maybe can you actually focus on
09:19
a game and it relaxes you in the
09:22
by the same token,
09:24  Gary
you can do because you can
09:24
turn off from life. I look at it
09:27
as that. I mean, basically
09:27
because I still play for a
09:29
league. Now. If you've had a bit
09:29
of a rough day, or everything's
09:32
on your mind sitting down and
09:32
getting stuck into a gamma ray,
09:35
but these games are sort of half
09:35
hour, they can go on for two,
09:38
three. I mean, the longest game
09:38
I played was four and a half
09:41
hours straight off. So it's
09:41
Yeah, yeah. That I can be quite
09:45
telling. So once you get into
09:45
it, it's Yeah, so like, yeah,
09:49
like though, because you do
09:49
drift off into another well, but
09:52
the worst thing about it all is
09:52
the mindset of win, winning,
09:57
losing and drawing. If you play
09:57
a game for four hours, When
10:00
you're when you're buzzing, you
10:00
play for four hours and you
10:03
lose. It can really, really
10:03
exact Yeah. It really does knock
10:08
you for six.
10:09  Trev
Because that sounds
10:09
similar to sort of you know why?
10:13
why that is, but that spoke
10:13
about I think. Yeah. Yeah.
10:20
Because obviously, if you play
10:20
it, if you've got a nice clear
10:24
kind of head and you're in a
10:24
good zone, you can have the best
10:26
round of golf ever. But again,
10:26
you can go out and collect all
10:30
the worries in the world. And
10:30
that's all out on there. And
10:33
I've never really thought chess
10:33
was like that, Gary, that's
10:36
opener for me. I never really
10:36
thought it was a very kind of
10:40
stressful. Yeah, yeah. That's
10:40
why you want to go with
10:45  Gary
our ministry, everything
10:45
else. It depends how you go with
10:48
it. I mean, sometimes, if I play
10:48
a game now, a few years ago, I
10:53
actually stopped playing half my
10:53
first season, because I wasn't
10:56
enjoying it. I was losing, but
10:56
it's not the losing that bothers
11:00
me. It was how I was losing. I
11:00
was just throwing games away
11:03
after 20 minutes driving all the
11:03
way at farrokh and losing after
11:06
20 minutes because I've
11:06
basically played like an idiot.
11:09
So pretty mildly so I basically
11:09
I'm just gonna retire. But he's
11:15
rubbish. I can't be doing this.
11:15
I will. But I took four months
11:19
off. And I needed it cleared my
11:19
head and I couldn't make it back
11:22
again.
11:23  Wayne
But it says a lot about
11:23
you that you come back to it not
11:25
being funny game because a lot
11:25
of people I would have just
11:27
given that up forever after
11:29  Gary
it. Well, yeah.
11:31  Trev
Gary's love for an old
11:31
isn't it? Yeah,
11:33  Gary
exactly. Well, yeah,
11:33
because the thing is, as a kid,
11:36
I mean, obviously, when I left
11:36
basically, I had my best hires
11:39
at Junior School at Temple satin
11:39
basic. Basically, once we got
11:44
into a year, I think it was the
11:44
last two years. I was on bald
11:49
one captain. And obviously I
11:49
loved it. When I was winning. I
11:52
think I only lost two games out
11:52
of 200. Free. But I was just
11:57
Yes. This is kids level. But if
11:57
you have a you as a kid yourself
12:00
carry. That's the thing.
12:02  Trev
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
12:07  Gary
Yeah, yeah. But the worst
12:07
thing was, is when I left to go
12:10
to senior school, there was no,
12:10
there was no chess at senior
12:14
school. So I kind of knocked it
12:14
on the head a little bit. But
12:19
the other thing is, well, when
12:19
you
12:22  Trev
get back into it, Gary,
12:23  Gary
well, I've never not got
12:23
out of it. But then my, my
12:27
brother got an Amiga 500.
12:27
Remember? Then he got 500. He
12:33
got a chess game for it. So I
12:33
used to go in there when he
12:36
worked on it and have a little
12:36
little temper with that, just to
12:39
keep my eye in. course, the
12:39
other thing is when you get to
12:43
13 I don't associate chess as
12:43
being cool. And I wanted a
12:49
girlfriend so I kind of thing
12:49
because people like this image
12:55
of chess, but it's just another
12:55
picture boys.
13:01  Trev
Would you go off lightly
13:01
Gary. I was absolutely was
13:12
hailed out as he wasn't always
13:12
on. Yeah, whatever.
13:20  Gary
Yeah. Well, they used to
13:20
be a competition held at the
13:23
Civic Center every Easter. And
13:23
I'd played that as a kid. I
13:28
mean, I thought, well, I'm gonna
13:28
have a guy who's an adult. So I
13:30
think I was about 15. I say I
13:30
don't I was still at school, but
13:33
I had to go at the age of 15. I
13:33
went back and had a go. I lost
13:37
four games, five games held over
13:37
four days. I lost four in a row
13:41
and I wasn't going to go back to
13:41
the last day. And that's sort of
13:44
a mom said go back just just
13:44
sportsmanship on your opponent.
13:47
Otherwise, he's not gonna have a
13:47
game. It's a so I went back five
13:52
in a row. And I was shattered
13:52
absolutely shattered for loser
13:56
that it basically dumped me. But
13:56
I think four years later, I went
14:01
back again. I won four out of
14:01
five and come runner up well,
14:04  Wayne
good stuff. Yeah, we got
14:04
Rocky. Rocky field right there.
14:14  Trev
Yeah,
14:15  Wayne
I wish I had that queued
14:15
up or not that good Gary,
14:17
unfortunately.
14:19  Unknown
Exactly. Exactly. Man
14:19
just
14:24  Gary
came around. I had to
14:24
realize that you can't play the
14:27
kid game against the adults and
14:27
I had to come home and have a
14:30
real good rethink and redo my
14:30
game and change it Oh yeah.
14:34
Start looking at books to have a
14:34
little look at what the best way
14:37
to go is and that's why I did I
14:37
changed the way of thinking did
14:42
I didn't think he
14:43  Trev
will store your this. Your
14:43
inspiring story has made me want
14:48
to make a film and write a
14:48
script about this. But already
14:52
been done as in it. moves. Oh,
14:52
Night Moves.
15:01  Wayne
He's got his own
15:01
background.
15:05  Trev
Anyway, but there was a
15:05
program on Netflix. I did see
15:09
the first what was it called?
15:11  Gary
Queen's gambit? On the
15:11
Queen's gambit. Absolutely.
15:14
Fantastic. Yeah,
15:16  Unknown
it was good was it I
15:16
saw the first.
15:19  Gary
I could totally see
15:19
exactly. emotions when
15:23
everything she was going
15:23
through. But she was an absolute
15:26
genius at the game. She She knew
15:26
the game inside and out. She she
15:30
could play a guy,
15:30  Trev
Gary.
15:32  Gary
I don't know. Actually,
15:32
that's a good question. Am I by
15:36
the way? Oh, actually, I'm not
15:36
sure it may well be actually I
15:39
think it might be look that up
15:40  Trev
he or she messages and
15:40
tell us? Yeah.
15:43  Gary
Yeah. I'm not quite sure
15:43
on I should know, but I don't.
15:47
But so cracking. What was good
15:47
about it? There's a lot of
15:50
people that watch that, but
15:50
don't like Chester said they
15:54
enjoyed it. Because you didn't
15:54
have to understand what they
15:57
were doing on the board to enjoy
15:57
that program. Yes, obviously,
16:01
obviously, I'm looking at is,
16:01
but obviously I'm staring at the
16:05
board all the time and watching
16:05
what I do. And I'm thinking
16:09
there's nothing going on that
16:09
bit of paper. So I could tell
16:12
but you could still enjoy that
16:12
series about playing chess. That
16:17
was the beauty of it. Get into
16:17
it. You may even make you want
16:20
to play chess even
16:21  Wayne
you said about that Gary,
16:21
and been in a program and be a
16:25
feature in chess. There's lots
16:25
of movies. I can't name them
16:28
now. But they seem to be like
16:28
Central Park in New York or
16:31
something. And they have like
16:31
sit down chess tables and they
16:34
time it. Is that quite common?
16:34
Yes.
16:36  Gary
That is one of my
16:36
ambitions. I would love to
16:39
hustle in New York Park. Yes out
16:39
there is one of my dream things
16:42
to do. Go to New York as number
16:42
one. hassle and hassle. The
16:46
chess players in the park.
16:48  Trev
Yeah. Yeah.
16:49  Gary
If you went there, you'd
16:49
have to do that, wouldn't you?
16:51
You'd absolutely I'd be strike
16:51
their best speeches. That's
16:55
where you play maybe 345 minutes
16:55
ago. And it's quick, quick,
16:59
rapid checks. Bang, bang, bang.
16:59
I play that a lot. Now on my
17:02
phone is a chess site I go on.
17:02
And I play three minute chess,
17:05
because it's just quick and
17:05
fast. You'll lose as many as you
17:07
win. It's not the right light.
17:07
But it's fun. It's a
17:11  Wayne
different strategies.
17:11
Don't do that quick. You
17:13
probably have your own strategy.
17:13
So yeah,
17:15  Gary
yeah. You could just throw
17:15
pieces all over the place and
17:17
there's no right or wrong. It's
17:17
just good fun. But that is a
17:20
good call about that. I'd love
17:20
to do that.
17:23  Trev
That thing did I play some
17:23
money then?
17:27  Gary
in the park over there?
17:27
You can do it. I don't know how
17:31
much they pay for mine. You pay
17:31
for $5 Yes, golf I believe so.
17:36
Yeah. The hustles Yeah, you can
17:36
have someone sit down and play
17:39
and yeah, I believe. I believe
17:39
money does change hands on that
17:42
I believe. Yeah.
17:45  Wayne
when when when you said
17:45
about playing on the Amiga Gary.
17:48
Obviously a lot. When when I was
17:48
growing up. There was the number
17:51
one player in the world. I think
17:51
his name was jenica bollock or
17:55
something
18:03
Kaspar off on a story that was
18:03
closed off or something. But he
18:10
he was getting a lot of money,
18:10
obviously, from putting his name
18:14
to some of these computer
18:14
programs that mean they sort of
18:15
put his brain not his brain into
18:15
it, obviously. But it did I say,
18:20
No, and he was no.
18:25  Gary
I mean, he actually took
18:25
on an IBM computer. Yes, I
18:29
remember that. Yeah. Yes.
18:29
Cracking thing to watch, because
18:31
he couldn't get his head around
18:31
it. Because that computer
18:33
because normally computers know
18:33
what you're gonna do. And yeah,
18:37
I think the computer beat him.
18:37
And he was shocked.
18:41  Wayne
Surely a computer can
18:41
play a perfect game. Connie, I
18:44
can't see how you can be if he's
18:46  Gary
a travel Weaver computer
18:46
is they don't make mistakes like
18:50
a human does. Yeah. So so you
18:50
pretty much know what they're
18:54
gonna do to a faction, because
18:54
they're playing the obvious. Now
18:57
with me. I remember playing a
18:57
guy about six years ago in a
19:02
Congress. And we played for
19:02
about three hours. And I beat
19:06
him. And he come out and he says
19:06
to me, Oh, you did that open and
19:10
you did the English opening? You
19:10
might I don't know what you're
19:13
on about what you want about the
19:13
Queen's game bit the king's
19:16
opening. I said, may I play to
19:16
play? Because Paul says, Well,
19:21
that was a hell of a game. He
19:21
says I couldn't keep up with
19:23
you. Like me? And I said, Well,
19:23
I just play a play. I said, I
19:27
don't study. I just see the PCs
19:27
as I see them. And I move what I
19:30
feels right. If it's wrong, it's
19:30
wrong.
19:32  Trev
That's how I play you
19:32
mentioned in you mentioned in
19:36
the word con, is that what you
19:36
call around of chest in a cold?
19:40
Congress is
19:41  Gary
what you would address
19:41
competition is called a
19:44
Congress. Yes, yes. So any any
19:44
test is called a Congress.
19:49  Trev
Yeah, right. Yeah. One of
19:49
our co hosts should have done a
19:53
bit of reference on the out but
19:53
although he hasn't
19:57  Wayne
even gone to one right
19:57
you just work. Got tester guests
20:03
coming up talking of which this
20:03
actually, Gary, if you don't
20:06
mind a new segment for this
20:06
season we're doing the test the
20:11
guest, which is not just
20:11
pressure on you. Trump likes to
20:14
join him because he didn't want
20:14
to be left out in this season.
20:16
Are
20:16  Unknown
you up for that? Oh,
20:25
test, test, test test.
20:37
Um, I'll start you off with a,
20:39  Wayne
I mean, one that you'll
20:39
just be able to answer like
20:41
Carol Vorderman on a countdown
20:41
competition. And this is this is
20:45
Gary. Question one. What is the
20:45
total number of squares on a
20:49
chessboard? Do you want me?
20:53  Gary
Oh, I think I think I'm
20:53
all right on that one. Eight
20:56
times. 864.
21:00  Wayne
There you go. This is the
21:00
sort of questions we're talking
21:02
about.
21:06  Trev
Which he comes out of the
21:06
traps like a fly I didn't
21:09  Wayne
fly or settle you in. So
21:09
the question to Trev now this
21:12
again, interesting. Which piece
21:12
could be checkmated? in chess?
21:17
Do you want the multiple choice
21:17
answers? Yes. Is it King, B,
21:23
Queen, or C night?
21:29  Trev
From my tiny bit of
21:29
knowledge about chess, say King
21:35
because that's the highest
21:35
ranked as your favorite pop
21:37
star.
21:40  Gary
That's why you said it.
21:43  Trev
love and pride. And what?
21:48  Wayne
I'm gonna have to turn
21:48
this up a bit now, Gary,
21:50
unfortunately, yeah.
21:53
What is the name of the
21:53
governing body of international
21:57
chess competition? Do you want
21:57
the answers or the possible?
22:01  Gary
displays? Yeah, give me
22:01
the choices. Okay,
22:03  Wayne
so it's I international
22:03
Chess Federation fi F phi d? Is
22:09
it the international CIT
22:09
international sorry, chest
22:13
organized chest, chest. chest
22:13
and it organized? No, that's
22:18
Trevor's favorite chest
22:18
organization Ico, or is it the
22:24
international chess Association?
22:27  Gary
I see. I I think now I'm
22:27
not sure but I think to have a
22:33
sense of
22:35  Wayne
Oh thank god you said
22:35
that because this chess thing I
22:41
don't know.
22:43  Unknown
Why well, Ryan's coming
22:43
out brains.
22:45
I like to do these much
22:46  Wayne
knowledge the simple ones
22:46
to Trev
22:49  Gary
adorable.
22:50  Wayne
Yeah, it was a bit more
22:50
difficult one Oh, and going back
22:53
to the simple ones now just for
22:53
trip. trip. Which is the most
22:58
powerful piece on a chessboard?
23:01  Gary
Is it a king? b
23:04  Unknown
queen or C night
23:09  Trev
well Surely it's got to be
23:09
king again as
23:15  Wayne
Carrie Do you want to put
23:15
him right on this one place?
23:17  Gary
Yes, yes the Queen Trev
23:22  Wayne
he gets half a point
23:22
bonus
23:25  Trev
some issue some kind of
23:25
like New Age sexual thing the
23:28  Wayne
Queen can do anything
23:28
apart from what a knight can do.
23:31  Gary
very fair to Kings the
23:31
worst piece of it
23:33  Wayne
can only move one space
23:37  Gary
voltage
23:39  Trev
I don't know anything
23:39
about it. See? Oh, here we go.
23:41  Wayne
clueless hasn't even done
23:41
any research as he likes to put
23:44
it Yes. I think I'll go to Gary
23:44
for one more this Gary. I don't
23:50
expect you to know this. But
23:50
this is just a curveball one is
23:53
just fill people in the chase
23:53
swing but who was generally
23:56
recognized to be the first world
23:56
chess champion in 1886. Trevor
24:01
remember this but
24:03  Gary
was it grip was there
24:03
Yeah, he
24:04  Wayne
was there. He watched it
24:04
live and that's why no so much.
24:07
But that good guy was not
24:07
escaped to victory. Is it I
24:15
Wilhelm Steinitz? Is it be
24:15
Stefan Leibnitz or see Alexander
24:21
Pavlov?
24:23  Gary
So it's
24:25  Wayne
Stein it Stefan Leibnitz
24:25
or Alexander Pavlov?
24:30  Gary
I haven't gotten clear if
24:30
I was gonna have a stab. I would
24:33
say see
24:37  Wayne
he's not gonna say we
24:37
didn't expect to know that. Well
24:39
Jeff don't for anyone knows that
24:39
when I say safe trip does. Would
24:42  Gary
you ever guess that this
24:43  Unknown
is it will heal more,
24:43
Stephen. Well,
24:45  Trev
remember, you've you've
24:45
taken out one of the equations
24:48
I've got with an unfair
24:48
advantage is
24:50  Wayne
5050. Go and ask a friend
24:50
whatever you want to do go.
24:57  Gary
Very quick clap.
24:58  Wayne
Well done. You least you
24:58
got what half a point. There we
25:01
go. That's the end. Taste the
25:01
guest segment. Well done. Very
25:05
well done. Trev I think you've
25:05
done a good job. Yeah,
25:07  Trev
very good. Good
25:08  Wayne
stuff. Thank
25:08  Gary
you. Thank you. So,
25:11  Wayne
so Gary going back to the
25:11
chest. And to give people a bit
25:15
of knowledge, where would you
25:15
recommend to people that are
25:17
listening? I mean, he's chasing
25:17
something that last year your
25:20
whole life it's not as if you
25:20
lose your fitness. Do you get
25:22
worse at it, though? Is your
25:22
your faculties might as you get
25:24
older, maybe
25:26  Gary
you get terrible as you
25:26
get older.
25:30  Wayne
Like everything.
25:32  Gary
Like everything goes down.
25:32
I know. I've been I've been
25:34
seasons upon seasons of
25:34
nightmares about saying that
25:39
we've just started playing in a
25:39
league, one of the test sites,
25:42
because obviously we can't make
25:42
up at the moment. And the first
25:47
two games, I bought them both.
25:47
So I think better than me, so it
25:51
started off quite well. This
25:51
season. Things are going okay.
25:54
Good and long
25:55  Trev
may carry on my no might
25:57  Gary
be nice to get back to
25:57
leak checks, again, where we
25:59
play in the south end and
25:59
district league where we play
26:02
against teams like bears.
26:04  Trev
Yeah.
26:06  Gary
Yeah, yeah. Especially the
26:06
outbox that applied for him. I
26:10
was it was that then Gary? Well,
26:10
a few years, a few years back, I
26:15
remember sitting down to play.
26:15
And I felt Terry mouse, oh,
26:22
champion,
26:22  Trev
the fireman, boxer.
26:25  Gary
The
26:28
man I had the joy of beating him
26:28
up. Talk to quite quite a lot of
26:34
pleasure. Very,
26:37  Trev
very good. Gary.
26:40  Wayne
I'm back to you in the
26:40
rain.
26:50
I think I think he's older. He's
26:50
older now. I think he's probably
26:54
in his late 60s. So even if he
26:54
wants to have a boxing match,
26:57
you could probably still take
26:57
him out dairy. So don't worry
26:59
about it. No problem. So but
27:03  Trev
you've been? You've been
27:03
such a good guest. We've got
27:05
your back on them. Yeah. And
27:05
you're asked, we've got you
27:09
know,
27:12  Wayne
but that shows the
27:12
diversity of the game people
27:14
like obviously, he's a world
27:14
class himself as a gladiator of
27:17
sorts being a boxer. And he's
27:17
playing chess because he gets
27:20
that competitive thing out of
27:20
him.
27:25  Trev
You Yeah, yeah. Very good.
27:25
I lost this last week, who was
27:29
an expert and so beauty Oh, he
27:29
tried to con me to say that. You
27:35
do what he did. He tried to pull
27:35
the green field. I tried to tell
27:41
me this, for some reason,
27:41
chances to be vo were very
27:45
similar. And I really said,
27:45
blah, blah, blah. What do you
27:50
think Gary?
27:51  Gary
Briana, I've never played
27:51
supposed to, but obviously, I
27:55
know that guy might be on to
27:55
something a little bit. Because
28:00
it's really, it's got to be
28:00
tactical, because you're you've
28:03
got you've got to think where
28:03
you're flicking. So maybe there
28:06
is something in that. Maybe
28:06
could be on something because
28:11
he's obviously got to think what
28:11
he's gonna do next.
28:14  Wayne
I think he wants to play
28:14
chess and flick the pieces
28:17
around on there. I think that's
28:17
what this is just a caning
28:24
exercise. This one me against
28:24
trip. Sorry about that. We're
28:26
taking it away from the church.
28:26
He's been horrible.
28:30  Trev
But Gary's easy to join a
28:30
club, kind of so if I wanted to
28:35
join now? Would it be easy for
28:35
me to join a club?
28:41  Gary
Absolutely. I mean,
28:41
basically, our clubs, Luke's is
28:45
always looking for new members,
28:45
and new members are always
28:47
welcome. Well, doesn't matter
28:47
what age you are, doesn't matter
28:50
on your level of play. Doesn't
28:50
matter at all. Obviously, it
28:54
helps if you know a little bit.
28:54
But obviously, if it's something
28:57
you really want to do in your
28:57
life, as a hobby, why not?
29:01  Unknown
Why not? We're
29:02  Gary
always welcome the
29:02
members.
29:03  Wayne
Is it mostly men, Gary,
29:03
or is it mixed?
29:06  Gary
chess? It's Bass Mix. But
29:06
I would say there's more men
29:10
than there are women that play
29:10
is that because of the sort
29:12  Wayne
of, because it's the kind
29:12
of connotations with war kind of
29:16
thing. I suppose it appeals to
29:16
men more or I really don't know.
29:19
I mean, it took too much time on
29:19
their hands. Maybe
29:21  Gary
some of our girls are very
29:21
good. I mean, one of our junior
29:25
girls, she she moved away to
29:25
America with her parents, but I
29:27
believe she's doing really well.
29:27
I've been able to chess, she's
29:30
winning things and doing very
29:30
well. But now it's a unisex
29:35
game, but it does seem to go
29:35
more for the men, I suppose. You
29:38
walk into competitions and it's
29:38
all these men.
29:41  Trev
And what
29:41  Wayne
what about the
29:41
collectible side Gary do Is it
29:44
something like when you're into
29:44
it like you are? Do you collect
29:46
certain boards and things and
29:46
pieces.
29:49  Gary
You could go I mean, I
29:49
have got the skinny side. I've
29:54
got sort of like a Simpsons.
29:54
I've gone down side with the
30:00
PCs. But there are some very,
30:00
very nice PCs. Yeah. And they
30:04
add up they go for sort of real
30:04
sort of proper money. Because
30:08
people don't know. Yeah. So walk
30:08
into like a diner lounge and
30:12
you'll see a coffee table. And
30:12
if it's a nice one, it does look
30:15
nice. It does look good. It's
30:18  Trev
really if you had a
30:18
chessboard because he's chess,
30:21
he's quite associated with kind
30:21
of intelligence as well, isn't
30:24
it? If you're a good chess
30:24
player, you don't really think
30:26
the brain power winds Got that?
30:26
Good. You had a chessboard, it
30:36
would be something that you
30:36
could buy to sort of impress
30:39
people and people get to know
30:39
you play chess. Oh, yes. Um,
30:45  Gary
you could go, you could
30:45
buy your fancy again, then you'd
30:51
be called out went? Yeah. And
30:51
then you go. Yeah.
31:05  Wayne
Well done. Breslow, round
31:05
of applause, please return.
31:11  Trev
one handed.
31:15  Wayne
I was thinking, Gary, as
31:15
you were saying that, because I
31:17
don't suppose you mind me saying
31:17
but you're in your, in your
31:19
profession, your ceramic tile of
31:19
high quality from what I
31:22
understand. And that, obviously
31:22
is quite tactical, in the sense
31:27
of setting out and everything
31:27
else, especially with the kind
31:29
of designs and they do. And I
31:29
think actually, some of that
31:31
kind of brain juice that you use
31:31
for chess is used in your in
31:35
your profession is to a certain
31:35
degree, maybe?
31:39  Gary
I really don't know. I
31:39
mean, I suppose to a degree.
31:43  Trev
I mean, we're coming out
31:43
with that was very clever. I
31:50
must admit.
31:52  Wayne
He's trying to redeem
31:52
himself now that
31:54  Gary
when I'm doing when I'm
31:54
when I'm doing black and white.
32:02  Wayne
Metro Yeah, or something.
32:04  Gary
When I'm doing a Victorian
32:04
or why don't
32:11
we wait over there. And
32:18  Wayne
there we go. We're given
32:18
an idea there for you for a new
32:21
toilet. For all of us that one.
32:21
To see, is there anything else
32:28
you want to know trip before we
32:28
sum up today? Well, before we
32:30
finished up today?
32:32  Trev
Well, to be honest, it
32:32
does sound like it's quite a
32:36
good hobby, to be honest. And he
32:36
comes across quite sort of sexy,
32:42
really, I think, you know, this
32:42
kind of technical side of it.
32:47
And, you know, I must admit, it
32:47
has made me a little bit
32:51
interested in it. It really has.
32:51
I must, I would like to have a
32:54
look into this. I think,
32:54
brilliant,
32:56  Wayne
what you've done, Gary,
32:56
you've done that you've got
33:00
you've definitely changed. I
33:00
think that if we go that far.
33:06
But it still is a good start.
33:06
And is it just quick, Gary,
33:11
would you where's the best place
33:11
for somebody start just go and
33:13
buy a cheap chess set and play?
33:13
or play on a computer? What
33:17
could be our
33:19  Gary
berries, so many online
33:19
sites? Now? You're better off
33:22
just going online and playing a
33:22
few games on now? The ca get on?
33:26
I mean, I play every day?
33:26
Because what was the lockdown?
33:29
I've been off? I've got a site.
33:29
I go and I just tinker with it
33:32
every day quick game. Yeah. And
33:32
I don't really leave it alone.
33:35
But yeah, that's the best place
33:35
to start. And if you get really
33:38
cold, then you can think oh,
33:38
maybe I'll join a club. go on
33:41
from there. Brilliant.
33:42  Trev
Sorry. What would you on
33:42
your phone? You said earlier,
33:48
didn't you? So what site would
33:48
that be?
33:50  Gary
It's, it's called like
33:50
chase Li chase.com.
33:55  Trev
Because we might be
33:55
putting we'll
33:56  Wayne
put that resource in the
33:56
show notes. So people can go to
33:59
that thing. Yeah,
34:00  Gary
it's a good one. It's
34:00
free. It's free. There's no
34:03
adverts, you can just get
34:03
straight on there. You can just
34:07
play it, you just get straight
34:07
on there and play. And you can
34:11
shoot Yeah. And you can choose
34:11
the length of the game you want.
34:14
If you want to play a 45 minute
34:14
game, you can if you want to
34:17
play a three minute game you
34:17
can. So it's that's the beauty
34:20
of that site. You can play at
34:20
any length of game you want. So
34:22
you haven't got a rush. Take
34:22
your time. Lovely. And then you
34:25
go
34:27  Wayne
into a go chess from
34:27
start to finish from Gary, we
34:30
really appreciate your time
34:30
today, Gary, if it was really
34:32
informative.
34:33  Trev
It's been very, very good
34:33
to be enjoyed coming in.
34:36  Gary
My pleasure. Thank you.
34:41  Unknown
Thank you, Gary.
34:41
Thanks, Gary.
34:44  Wayne
Thanks very much for that
34:44
Gary. I found that really
34:46
interesting. And I can't believe
34:46
that a world champion boxer he
34:50
play chess but then thinking
34:50
about it. That's kind of that
34:52
gladiatorial thing of it and
34:52
said that to Gary, you know,
34:55
maybe that's, that's why there's
34:55
tactics and things. What do you
34:58
think truth
35:00  Trev
shows you what different
35:00
people do different things
35:04
really.
35:04  Wayne
I think it just shows
35:04
different strokes for different
35:06
folks as I say,
35:07  Trev
that's it. Yeah. What are
35:07
you talking about? I knew
35:10  Wayne
that one up and that
35:10
wasn't scripted.
35:12  Trev
So I'm it sounds like it
35:12
sounds like take it very
35:18
seriously, which I don't have is
35:18
a problem there. I never thought
35:23
to be nice. I didn't think it
35:23
would be like laugh a minute. I
35:28
like the idea of the speed
35:28
chess. Yeah, I think the good
35:31
thing about that is is people
35:31
just see it as like a really
35:34
long drawn out game. Yeah,
35:36  Wayne
it's a bit similar to
35:36
golf last a lot of T 20s. a
35:38
cricket as well is
35:39  Trev
that Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
35:39
I think these things that takes
35:42
it away but if you could play I
35:42
think as well. The whole idea of
35:46
playing chess on your phone in
35:46
its dinner in your free time. I
35:51
think that's a good idea as
35:51
well. Can't see myself it's fun
35:57
games might it's not it's not
35:57
your fingers. We've spoken he I
36:03
remember very quickly about
36:03
chairs. One thing I do remember
36:06
about chairs and it shows you
36:06
what a film geek I am. I'm sure
36:10
McCready in the thing is playing
36:10
chess, isn't it? Yes, yes. He
36:14
gets fed up with it, because it
36:14
can be a beat. That's right. And
36:18
he pulls his drink in I don't
36:18
know what what but he pauses
36:21
drinking and I have to watch it
36:21
again. Or if anybody knows
36:24
straight off the
36:24  Wayne
record, it was an AML
36:24
podcast mug Yay.
36:32  Trev
before it could be
36:32
destroyed because of the age of
36:36
it. I'm sure he put the pocket
36:36
down doesn't he? I don't know.
36:40
I'm gonna watch again. Yeah,
36:40
someone else knows by all means.
36:43  Wayne
Just Yeah, please do
36:43
yeah, as always, if you want to
36:45
know anything else about chess,
36:45
we can always ask the guest
36:48
after hours. I know sounds a bit
36:48
risky. We'll ask him any
36:52
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36:58
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36:58
messages.
37:01  Gary
So yeah, I
37:02  Wayne
like chess I just like
37:02
Gary explained he he he give it
37:05
up for a while is the headspace
37:05
I don't want to stress myself
37:08
out of my age. Because my blood
37:08
pressure so I that's why I
37:12
struggled with it. I might try
37:12
out I've got two or three chest
37:15
sets. I might dig it out play
37:15
the little and because he likes
37:18
it he's dying to get to that age
37:18
where he likes it now but I
37:20
don't want to be beaten by him
37:20
so i'd you know so it's
37:24  Trev
exactly love to beat you
37:24
in the head that yes, I think
37:27
it's one over one over the the
37:27
adults in it
37:29  Wayne
or yourself and myself
37:29
maybe should play chess by chess
37:33
by post or wherever it used to
37:33
be. Maybe first class stamp is
37:36
too expensive. I
37:37  Trev
can't afford 75 years to
37:37
do. Yeah, but why did I do that?
37:42
The idea of that kind of thing.
37:42
Like send one move. And I'm
37:46
like, Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
37:46
It
37:48  Wayne
will never finishes we'll
37:48
never get stressed out about
37:51  Trev
this. I had last two
37:51
movies. Call me Bob with this.
37:55  Wayne
Think about that. Maybe
37:55
we can put that because actually
37:57
talking to these guests. You
37:57
start skiing you your juices
38:00
flowing, so to speak. There's a
38:00
little bit you did promise at
38:05
the start. I knew it was gonna
38:05
go basis. But anyway, thanks for
38:08
listening to this episode. As
38:08
always, everyone. Thanks, Gary
38:11
for coming on today. And we'll
38:11
see you on the next one cheers
38:14
trip.
38:15  Trev
again. Bye Bye.
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