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episode 19: An Artists Life [transcript]



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 2021-05-16  42m
 
 
00:01  intro
You're listening to a mid
00:01
life less ordinary,
00:05
the weekly podcast giving you
00:05
the lowdown on becoming a cool
00:10
older dude. The good times are
00:12
not a faded memory,
00:14
it's time to start living them
00:14
again.
00:16
And here are your hosts Wayne
00:16
and Trev.
00:23  Wayne
Hello everyone and
00:23
welcome back to a midlife less
00:26
ordinary. And today's title is
00:26
artists life. Can you tell what
00:31
it is yet? Now I'll let Trevor
00:31
who's always here. I'm Wayne, by
00:35
the way, if you didn't know that
00:35
already, and trebs here with his
00:38
charcoal. He's
00:40  Trev
about to put my vocal
00:40
talents on the canvas.
00:43  Wayne
Yes, exactly. Is because
00:43
today, as you can probably guess
00:48
he's all about we've got we've
00:48
managed to secure an artist
00:51
who's based in Leon see in
00:51
Essex. It's got some great work.
00:57
We will give you the links to
00:57
his work later. Yeah, he's
01:00
coming on to just tell us about
01:00
the art scene, how to support
01:03
your local artists trade. What
01:03
do you think about art in
01:06
general? And personally?
01:08  Trev
I it's funny with art
01:08
because I really like feel like
01:11
I like a lot of our I'm a big
01:11
Banksy fan, big Shepard Fairey
01:16
fan. I like color street
01:16
graffiti kind of stuff. But I'm
01:21
kind of cut between the two
01:21
because I don't. I didn't. The
01:26
abstract stuff. I don't see a
01:26
lot in it. I'm like, Whoa,
01:29
what's that? I don't really
01:29
understand why that guy cut the
01:32
sheep off and put him in
01:32
grazing. Not what was that
01:35
about? But like real kind of?
01:35
Yeah, I feel I feel like I
01:40
appreciate it without being too
01:40
into it.
01:43  Unknown
Yeah. Well, yeah, I'm
01:45  Wayne
the same as you. I can
01:45
appreciate you, sir. As we know,
01:49
art is subjective. And
01:49
obviously, value appears over
01:53
time. And it depends on how the
01:53
artist is well known basically,
01:57
isn't it? and historic
01:57
significance, but I like some of
02:03
the different art because if you
02:03
have a portrait of King Henry on
02:07
the wall, I mean, it's not very
02:07
original is it? I mean, like to
02:09
have the original, obviously,
02:09
but from the National Portrait
02:12
Gallery, but it's not very
02:12
original. So I like saying this
02:15
a bit out there a bit not. So
02:15
they'll give me nightmares,
02:17
particularly, but we do know
02:17
somebody could do that for us.
02:19
But
02:20  Trev
yeah, because I come from
02:20
a comic background. I've always
02:24
been quite visually turned on.
02:28  Wayne
Remember, this is about
02:28
our truth not know where you're
02:31
going with this? Yes, I've
02:37  Trev
always been quite thought
02:37
visually into stuff. So. But
02:41
with I think there's well, being
02:41
a kind of a bit of a layman to
02:45
the art world. It's not one of
02:45
those. Sometimes it feels like
02:48
one of those closed circuit
02:48
things where you feel like
02:51
you're not cool enough to go an
02:51
art gallery, or you're not. Does
02:56
that make sense? You feel like
02:56
Yeah,
02:58  Wayne
exactly. You should be
02:58
more accessible. And this is
03:00
what we're hoping to get out of
03:00
today's episode is
03:02  Trev
talking to AMD, we'll get
03:02
the out that we can be a lot
03:06
more accessible and it's not
03:06
exclusive.
03:10  Wayne
You know, it's not it's
03:10
not for just people in central
03:13
London who just want to, you
03:13
know, visit
03:17  Trev
everyday people and
03:20  Wayne
we've been to a few
03:20
exhibitions for people we know.
03:23
And I've really enjoyed it to be
03:23
fair. So yeah, today's artists
03:28
that we've managed to secure is
03:28
Andy downs. He's got a website,
03:31
Andy downs, art.co.uk. He's,
03:31
he's on Instagram. Just type in
03:37
his name. We'll put some links
03:37
in on the website, obviously.
03:39
Check out his work. It's great.
03:41  Unknown
He's already like a big
03:41
fan of it. Yeah, exactly.
03:43  Wayne
Which is why we try to
03:43
secure him today. So yeah, what
03:46
do you know about Andy Tripp?
03:48  Trev
Again, he's a really great
03:48
localized he doesn't really
03:51
different staff. It's quite up
03:51
to the minute without it being
03:57
so kind of up to the minute you
03:57
don't understand it. Again, it's
04:02
a real nice mix of contemporary
04:02
and for every man got great use
04:08
of color so portrayed artist.
04:08
Yeah. Is that Yeah, yeah.
04:11
Contemporary and every man. I
04:11
like to see your professional
04:14
career. And I'm talking about
04:16  Wayne
Yeah, you've been you've
04:16
been you've been watching
04:19
Lovejoy again or something
04:19
unusual trying to pick up
04:26  Trev
the big rage with Bob
04:26
Mortimer is Lovejoy
04:29
fire up. Your new
04:31  Wayne
you'd have a reference
04:31
somewhere to it.
04:32  Trev
Yeah.
04:34  Wayne
So with no further ado,
04:34
Andy, will introduce Andy is is
04:39
to just talk about his life as
04:39
an artist and hopefully
04:42
encourage some of you to support
04:42
your local art scene and
04:44
everything. So here we go.
04:44
Thanks for joining us today,
04:50
Andy. And I just like to ask you
04:50
as a first question, basically,
04:54
how did you start in the art
04:54
world was it something you learn
04:58
a score was you an artist You
04:58
know straight straight out the
05:01
door kind of thing. How did you
05:01
start basically
05:05  Andy
I think the reason I
05:05
started as a good artist in
05:10
school my dad is a good artist
05:10
but he never took it anywhere.
05:13
And I was at school and thinking
05:13
right this is my my thing in
05:16
life I'm doing a fantastic
05:16
global artist. And then because
05:21
I had great respect for my mom
05:21
and dad, they sort of put me off
05:24
a bit they're going down the
05:24
roads and didn't make any money,
05:27
things like that. So I joined
05:27
the army basically now my life
05:33
took a different route so why
05:33
why
05:37  Trev
why one into the spectrum
05:37
to the other. Hold on like,
05:41  Andy
yeah,
05:43  Trev
Christy dandy.
05:45  Andy
I'm a Colchester boy
05:45
anyway so obviously I'm
05:48
surrounded by forces but I just
05:48
needed to get out of there and I
05:52
couldn't see a way to to leave
05:52
the army seems a sensible thing
05:58
to do because you know, a young
05:58
lad is coming around it gives
06:02
you a bit of stability in life a
06:02
bit structure and mainly got me
06:07
out of Colchester, which is what
06:07
I want.
06:09  Trev
Yeah, did you? Did you
06:09
still do any art when you're in
06:14
the army? Did you still order me
06:19  Andy
all my life or sort of
06:19
doodles but never really gone
06:22
into major pitches. I think I've
06:22
spent the last 30 years sort of
06:29
doing cartoons really
06:29
alternately used in cartoons.
06:33
And just click doodles sketches
06:33
somebody think of that but never
06:36
never got heavily into oil
06:36
paints or anything like that.
06:39
I've always been interested. I'm
06:39
very visual person. I can't get
06:43
my head into a book in in about
06:43
10 minutes into the book, I'll
06:45
fall asleep
06:49  Unknown
like us all. Thanks for
06:49
this. One can't even read
06:56  Wayne
jack and john books or
06:56
whatever they're called.
07:02  Andy
I can certainly make sure
07:02
you're not a comic or something
07:05
like that. I can. I can spend
07:05
hours rifling the pages of
07:09
those. Say next word blind after
07:09
a while,
07:12  Unknown
which was your base?
07:12
Sorry. I'll
07:14  Wayne
go back to that because
07:14
obviously I've never done my
07:16
research properly because I try
07:16
and make it you know, very
07:19
research show but we didn't know
07:19
you was in the army obviously.
07:22
Was you basically just a
07:22
barracks with you?
07:25  Trev
This is just a cover.
07:25
Yeah. I've covered it live on
07:39
you heard it first on IML. Oh,
07:45  Wayne
say no more. It's top
07:45
secret, as I said
07:49  Andy
is certainly important
07:49
maritime marks you know, it's
07:53
basically in Dr. Stevens or
07:53
unloaded the boats. Guys are the
07:56
Galahad in the chest and you
07:56
know, the ones in the fall in
08:00
the Falklands who got the hell
08:00
blown out of the harbor? I work
08:04
for them. Not at that time,
08:04
though, because I'm not old
08:06
enough.
08:07  Wayne
Would you like an
08:07
engineer then? Or do you?
08:11  Andy
stevedore So, in civilian
08:11
role, I'd be at Felixstowe ports
08:16
in the front loading loading
08:16
ships and things like that.
08:18  Wayne
Well, no, sorry. I've
08:18
diversified they're totally so
08:21
yeah.
08:23  Trev
strange enough. Why now
08:23
you've said that you've actually
08:25
virtually answered one of my
08:25
questions, because I've been
08:28
asked and if you went to sort of
08:28
art school, but obviously you're
08:31
in the army then so you didn't
08:31
or did you? Did you follow it up
08:34
after the army and do Was there
08:37  Andy
ydymno now came out, the
08:37
army went into the motor trade,
08:40
went away in the motor trade for
08:40
about 15 years from car Valletta
08:44
up to be the principal. So I was
08:44
managing car dealers, it's
08:49
basically the Honda and
08:49
Mitsubishi and things like that.
08:53
And then, and then retrained as
08:53
a plumber, when I had my
08:57
daughter, because I was spending
08:57
Far, far too much time at work.
09:01
So I thought, you know, the way
09:01
that I can move forward is to be
09:04
my own boss, and retrained as a
09:04
plumber, to fit back into the
09:08
last 12 years. And then, about
09:08
five, six years ago, aided my
09:15
marriage, and instead of going
09:15
on hard drugs and drinking the
09:20
life out myself, I turned back
09:20
to wine. Wine,
09:24  Wayne
it sounds great.
09:33  Andy
Always give a passion, or
09:33
it's been my passion, but yeah,
09:36  Trev
I'm gonna say what was
09:36
your inspiration for it? Andy,
09:40
what do you do you look at stuff
09:40
and think that would make a
09:44
really good piece of art or
09:44
would that would make a really
09:46
good painting or that subject
09:46
would be you know, wait, wait,
09:51
where'd you take it? Or did you
09:51
just come to us just just sit on
09:54
the toilet and think I'm gonna
09:54
do that. Have you seen what I
10:03
do?
10:06  Andy
When when I was a kid, I
10:06
was a victim of watching far too
10:09
much TV? I think so.
10:12  Wayne
Listen to this week's
10:12
episode.
10:14  Andy
Yeah, I was gonna say, I'm
10:14
very visual, I must have spent
10:19
so many hours in front of the
10:19
TV. Oh, but, you know, back to
10:22
the features Indiana Jones or
10:22
the aliens, and things like
10:25
that. I just, I've always been
10:25
interested in, in model makings
10:30
of airbrushing. You know, sci
10:30
fi, anything that expands the
10:37
mind really without drugs. I
10:37
just I just enjoy that
10:44
creativity so much. I'm sort of
10:44
infected by it.
10:47  Wayne
You said about that. And
10:47
you you've actually opened up a
10:50
question that would I've never
10:50
thought of before. But you said
10:53
about drugs? And then an artist?
10:53
I'm not obviously, obviously,
10:57
you've said you've stayed away
10:57
from that to say, but the people
11:00
that do take certain mind
11:00
altering substances? Yeah. Did
11:04
they? Did they produce a
11:04
different kind of art? Or is can
11:07
it be? Is it always abstract or
11:07
something? Or is it just an
11:11
inspiration?
11:12  Andy
I think it depends on your
11:12
creativity. Really? I mean, I
11:15
know, artists and all sorts of
11:15
journalism. And, you know, they,
11:19
they they partake in recreation
11:19
substances, should we say and
11:23
they will produce some port
11:23
traits to bonkers. dmtf? No, it
11:29
just depends on the person, they
11:29
create a vision really. Artists
11:34
always say this about artists,
11:34
is what they put down really is
11:38
their voice, their vision, and
11:38
their view of the world. You
11:41
know, because all our brains
11:41
work in different ways. Some,
11:44
some people look for football,
11:44
some people look for girls, some
11:47
people look for both
11:51  Trev
in two centers.
11:55  Andy
I just think it's a case
11:55
of what what you put into paper
11:59
really is what you want to show
11:59
the world is sort of going on
12:02
inside to a certain degree.
12:02
Yeah.
12:05  Wayne
expression. What would
12:05
you describe your art? And how
12:09
would you describe it?
12:12  Andy
Loud and colorful, and
12:12
usually with some kind of fun
12:15
element element to it, either.
12:15
You know, it's actually written
12:19
in there or it's got color that
12:19
sort of can make you smile. You
12:25
know if that makes sense. I'm
12:25
not very good at describing the
12:29
work
12:30  Trev
that you do my CV for me,
12:30
Andy, because that sounds like
12:33
he could open a few doors for
12:33
me.
12:38  Andy
I love working on my own.
12:38
So maybe maybe one day
12:43  Trev
market there. Might you
12:43
have got a market there?
12:46  Andy
Yeah. Is it
12:49  Wayne
mostly about a time Andy
12:49
and I, you know, he's finding
12:52
the time to pick out You said
12:52
you having a family and and
12:55
working? Does that mean that art
12:55
goes on the on the backburner?
12:58
Basically?
13:00  Andy
Oh, totally. Yeah, I was
13:00
in a family with multiple
13:03
children and adults and, you
13:03
know, mortgage and all that. And
13:06
then, and then after we
13:06
separated and went our merry
13:09
way, the the responsibilities
13:09
lessened to a certain degree,
13:14
you know, it's just a little
13:14
time to think, you know, come
13:16
on, take me to my student and
13:16
all this sort of stuff. It just,
13:19
it just ruins two hours of your
13:19
evening.
13:23  Trev
widen it. And to be
13:23
honest,
13:25  Andy
yeah, and I think that it
13:25
does sound selfish to degree,
13:28
however. So some of the most
13:28
successful artists, you know,
13:32
they spend most of their time on
13:32
their own, because you need
13:35
those hours to come up with the
13:35
ideas and then put them to
13:38
paper, you know, or to cameras
13:38
or whatever you want to do.
13:44  Trev
Your own dream, and you
13:44
haven't Yeah, that's the thing.
13:46
And as you say, it sounds
13:46
selfish. I don't think it is at
13:49
all. I just think if you only
13:49
get one life, so you've got to
13:53
feel like you've got to follow
13:53
that. If you don't get it, it
13:57
could be wasted. You know,
14:01  Andy
there's a big part of my
14:01
mentor really harping back to my
14:05
father, they were lost back in
14:05
November, he, he had passed
14:10
away, and he's a fantastic
14:10
artist, and then he never took
14:15
it anywhere. You know, he'd sit
14:15
down with me when I was a kid
14:17
and say there, you know, George
14:17
bird wherever is contributing to
14:21
nature. And I'd be amazed how
14:21
quickly we get something down.
14:25
And then he didn't go anywhere
14:25
with it. And then when he
14:28
retired, he was just on the
14:28
brink of getting outside with so
14:33
he so he didn't even use his
14:33
downtime after his retirement to
14:37
sort of pick up where he left
14:37
off really, and, and I think
14:41
part of my driving force since I
14:41
left my ex is to catch up on my
14:47
last my last year's really
14:47
getting stuff down and getting
14:50
ideas down and yeah, and just
14:50
trying to inspire It
14:54  Trev
really is. Yeah. That's
14:54
what they need to do that. You
15:00
really do like, you know, and
15:00
you've also
15:03  Wayne
summed up that there is
15:03
obviously some kind of there is
15:06
an element of nature, hereditary
15:06
in us in, in art, because
15:11
obviously your father could
15:11
express himself through art and
15:14
you follow through and I think
15:14
that's the same with with other
15:17
people. We know they've got
15:17
other family members who are
15:20
good artware Trevor and myself
15:20
can't even draw a stick man,
15:23
right? We are not
15:24  Unknown
that bad actually wine
15:24
yourself. Oh, it's not that bad.
15:28
To be
15:29  Wayne
I suppose somebody might
15:29
like your stick, man. I don't
15:31
know. But it's subjective. But
15:34  Unknown
everyone's a critic and
15:34
they NDC everyone.
15:42  Wayne
Do you think people can
15:42
can learn to be a good artist?
15:46
And or do you have to have that
15:46
kind of just inspiration from
15:49
within literally,
15:51  Andy
I think if any of you
15:51
admit a plaster, monster plaster
15:55
at work, we've got to remember
15:55
that a plaster never used to
15:58
know how to plaster until he
15:58
saved quite a few hours, making
16:02
mistakes until he actually got
16:02
it. Right. And, and I think, I
16:07
think that carries over with
16:07
absolutely anything you do in
16:10
life, I think, if you're trying
16:10
to make, I think I was one of
16:15
the comedians, I think it might
16:15
have been Joe Rogan,
16:17
interviewing somebody on his
16:17
podcast, and they're right, and
16:20
what they said, and they, they
16:20
sort of painted that you have to
16:23
do 10 years in a circuit before
16:23
you start to reap the rewards of
16:27
it.
16:33
And I've kind of got that in my
16:33
head about, that's where I'm
16:36
going with my work, give, give
16:36
myself a 10 year period of
16:40
learning, then, hopefully, by
16:40
that point, you know, I'll ever
16:44
people have sort of recognized
16:44
my name, and I'll be in
16:46
different areas and things like
16:46
that. And then it will start to
16:49
sort of people start to look for
16:49
me, rather than me reaching out
16:52
to people going, Oh,
16:55  Unknown
man, did you ever look
16:57  Trev
at some of your PCs, and
16:57
when you've done them, you're so
17:00
happy with it, that is great, I
17:00
really have excelled. And then
17:06
you sell it or whatever you do
17:06
with it, and then look back at
17:08
you in two years time and go,
17:08
what was I thinking? What can I
17:12
do there? I already do find you.
17:12
You're happy with all of it for
17:18
most of the time?
17:20  Andy
What? Can I really answer
17:20
that, honestly, because I might
17:25
not sell any more art from
17:31  Trev
St. Paul wasn't keen on
17:31
that. And somebody bought
17:36  Wayne
more from a personal
17:36
perspective. Because he's
17:39
subjective, isn't it? Trouble
17:39
even though you're horrible.
17:48
Yeah,
17:50  Andy
I, I tell you, what I find
17:50
is I, when I start any piece, I
17:55
kind of put a few hours into it.
17:55
And then I take some photographs
17:59
of it, and then I walk away from
17:59
it. And then what I look at the
18:03
photographs of it, and then I'll
18:03
look at either the donor
18:07
subjects or the photos I've
18:07
taken to the figure that I'm
18:10
painting, and then my brain will
18:10
start to tell me what's wrong
18:13
with it. And then the second
18:13
thing, the second thing, I'll go
18:17
back to a canvas, and then the
18:17
campus, I'll know immediately
18:20
what I need to change.
18:20
Immediately. Yes, you're quite a
18:24
word processor. That's
18:24
brilliant. Totally, totally.
18:28
When I'm up yonder, these
18:28
changing the tap or something.
18:31
And I'm just waiting to see if
18:31
there's any leaks, and I'll pull
18:33
out the phone and I've looked at
18:33
the painting, and I'll start to
18:36
make mental notes about you
18:36
know, God, His eyes in the wrong
18:40
place, or for too long or
18:40
whatever. But it's a constant
18:46
thing of me when I start a
18:46
painting, it's always with me
18:49
until I think it's resolved. And
18:53  Trev
it's part of you is, did
18:53
you feel like he's part of you
18:55
kind of thing? Of course, is,
18:55
yeah,
18:58  Andy
it's part of my creative,
18:58
creative vision. I'm never happy
19:03
with any of my work if I'm
19:03
honest. Because as you get older
19:08
and you get more skilled and
19:08
more competent, then obviously
19:11
you change. And, and then you
19:11
know, where people like your
19:16
pieces, because you're so
19:16
involved in that piece of art,
19:19
you don't really see it for what
19:19
it is. It's like, how can
19:24
outside but if you're tiling
19:24
inside the whole bathroom, the
19:27
customer comes in and says, Oh,
19:27
it's fabulous. And then you
19:30
think Well, actually, that one's
19:30
slightly out. And that could
19:32
have been better. And all that
19:32
sort of thing is self
19:34  Trev
critical. Self Yeah. Self
19:34
critical. That's the thing,
19:37
which is a good thing, I think,
19:37
isn't it? Because you're always
19:40
striving to become better. Yeah,
19:40
that is Yeah, is Grace is
19:43  Wayne
there's other things like
19:43
that as well. I was thinking as
19:45
you were saying that like with
19:45
regard to the workflow that
19:49
sometimes when you're doing so,
19:49
I mean, it might be as basic as
19:52
a computer game or or or jigsaw
19:52
puzzle or something and you're
19:55
doing I'm talking from a
19:55
layman's term here, but you
19:58
can't say the word food at Gary,
19:58
Gary, thanks Drew. Sometimes you
20:04
can't see the wood from the tree
20:04
so you have to go away from it
20:07
and then you come back the next
20:07
day and then you see what you
20:09
was missing straightaway is that
20:09
the same with your art you kind
20:12
of sometimes it's best to get
20:12
what get away and come back to
20:14
it.
20:18  Andy
I've painted images and so
20:18
yeah, that's really good
20:21
complete next one of golf and
20:21
for caught the eye is an inch
20:24
higher than the other eye.
20:27  Unknown
Looks like me.
20:32  Andy
Well, most people's eyes
20:32
are slightly higher than one
20:36
line, you
20:36  Trev
should get that done, but
20:36
perhaps I won't be so
20:44
embarrassed to go out with him
20:45  Wayne
if we go the troops out
20:45
now. This is supposed to be
20:50
about art, not character
20:50
assassination. Physical
20:53
assassination. So
20:56  Andy
on that note, you do get
20:56
so invested sometimes. Yeah, you
20:59
cannot see the wood for the
20:59
trees for sure. Well, I can't
21:02
anyway.
21:02  Wayne
No, yes. It's nice to
21:02
know in a way that because
21:05
that's something I think we all
21:05
experience and and obviously
21:08
something you're passionate
21:08
about, rather than just
21:10
something you spend some time.
21:10
It's sometimes I think we just
21:14
we feel like we should just be
21:14
able to look at it and go, you
21:17
know, that's what's wrong. But
21:17
we all need to walk away
21:20
sometimes come back. And I think
21:20
we can put that with a lot to do
21:23
with our lives. We can all go on
21:23
being too philosophical. Now.
21:26
Trevor's gonna say, check in
21:26
check out Sigmund Freud. Yeah.
21:31  Trev
trippy talk on monkey.
21:31
Wisdom.
21:37  Wayne
I've been inspired by an
21:37
artist to use to speak into
21:44
trivia.
21:47  Andy
To try and sell it. I'm
21:51  Wayne
so sorry. No, I was just
21:51
gonna say so. Where, where
21:56
you're based obviously in in
21:56
Essex, and is the scene kind of
22:00
vibrant, the art scene.
22:03  Andy
Massive. This is like
22:03
everything else. In the last
22:08
sort of 10 years, there's been
22:08
an explosion of musical TV
22:12
programs and art TV programs.
22:12
And that's just because there's
22:15
just so many more people doing
22:15
it now. Instagram is full of
22:19
amazing and challenging artists,
22:19
you know, and Facebook and
22:24
wherever you say this, just, it
22:24
just seems to have opened up a
22:28
plethora of an abundance of
22:28
creative talent, you know, and
22:35
Leon Fay and Southend they just
22:35
this is an amazing hub. I mean,
22:39
I back in the days, it was a hub
22:39
for I think it's VW lovers when
22:44
it originally there was lots of
22:44
big VW seating. Yeah, well,
22:48  Trev
yeah, we still own a
22:48
couple of VW. So yeah, there's
22:51
still a big car.
22:53  Andy
And then that, you know,
22:53
that along with the music scene,
22:57
and then the art scene, so came
22:57
a hand in hand with it, and it
22:59
sort of still carried through
22:59
here. But you know, my Facebook
23:04
full of about 300 people on my
23:04
Facebook, which will likely
23:15  Trev
blossom, you know that
23:15
that is great. It does. It makes
23:17
you quite proud of this area,
23:17
you know, to be like to hear
23:21
that, if that makes sense.
23:24  Andy
slacked off for like clubs
23:24
and stuff.
23:28  Trev
Yeah, exactly. That's
23:28
nice. Be nice talking to local
23:32
Shane Andy. And I'm a massive
23:32
fan of you. Because I follow you
23:36
on social media. And I know,
23:39
I know and other artists that
23:39
you know, these days Dave, Dave
23:41
never would have never. And I
23:41
follow him as well. And I think
23:45
he's great as well. What I like
23:45
about the local scene,
23:48
especially YouTube guys, is
23:48
you're both very passionate
23:51
about it and you're both so
23:51
different. And I believe you get
23:56
on quite well anyway down you
23:56
dive in yourself.
23:59  Andy
No. Yeah, we
24:02  Trev
what we really want to
24:02
bring Dave on. And hopefully we
24:06
will we can work that out. But
24:06
it does seem in the local, as
24:11
you say. It's a really good
24:11
atmosphere for ice around here.
24:14
What I like about is none of you
24:14
guys seem the same. It's very
24:19
diverse around here. There's no
24:19
kind of following one thing you
24:23
think is that true? Do you think
24:23
or is it just me being an
24:25
educator and not seeing it?
24:28  Andy
And I think it's an
24:28
outside looking in because I
24:31
think like with every with every
24:31
cold not cold but with every
24:42
Yeah, every scene you kind of
24:42
get overlapping circles if you
24:45
know i mean you know the art
24:45
liliaceae for instance has got
24:49
its own sort of groups within
24:49
groups. Although we're all on
24:52
the at the Art trail, you know,
24:52
and it's not literally bed
24:56
during bed we'll have rice and
24:56
they sort of do a similar type
24:59
of work. Can you know there's
24:59
nothing wrong with that? I mean,
25:03
I think it's fantastic. And so
25:03
the thing about the south end
25:07
district area is the sheer
25:07
volume of different artists that
25:11
we've got here you know, and,
25:11
and that carries over from
25:16
everything to sculpture,
25:16
photography, this is just so
25:20
packed with different people
25:20
dying to be heard. And that and
25:27
that that is the that's the the
25:27
worst thing about being an
25:32
artist is trying to get yourself
25:32
known. Out of area Yeah,
25:38  Trev
I can imagine. So I know
25:38
within the art trail because I
25:42
believe I went and saw some of
25:42
your art you had your little
25:47
mini exhibition in like a tattoo
25:47
studio, didn't you?
25:51  Andy
Yeah, it's a studio and
25:51
coffee shop on the road.
25:55  Trev
Right okay. I think that's
25:55
a good thing when you you guys
26:00
are crossing over with the
26:00
tattoo culture as well because
26:02
that gets you noticed, isn't it?
26:05  Andy
Oh, big time and that's an
26:05
art form in itself
26:08  Trev
you know? He's Yes. Yeah,
26:08
obviously I've I've got a few
26:11
tattoos I know quite a couple
26:11
other local artists Oh, wow
26:13
wise. And I think yeah, that
26:13
again that's another form of
26:17
expression I think you can all
26:17
you guys can get together and
26:20
really get something out of it.
26:20
I think that's a great thing.
26:23
Totally do
26:24  Andy
I think all the arts
26:24
across over anyway I mean, when
26:28
I you know the studio I have you
26:28
also been to an open or not,
26:33
they always have a local
26:33
musician. Play on the day where
26:38
we have an open day cuz I just
26:38
think it goes hand in hand.
26:42  Unknown
Definitely. Definitely,
26:43  Andy
you know, creates an
26:43
atmosphere.
26:46  Wayne
I've been with trip to a
26:46
few days, said and they've been
26:51
quite enjoyable. Actually,
26:51
Trevor really enjoyed it.
26:52  Trev
Yeah, they are. They were
26:52
good nights, to be honest. Yeah.
26:55
Andy, could you want to tell us
26:55
where you're, you're kind of art
26:58
can be seen in, in South End and
26:58
in Essex and online. And our
27:03
lawyer? Yeah.
27:05  Andy
Yeah, I've run a little
27:05
studio called the little known
27:08
studio, which is on the Lee
27:08
Raven Leland fee. You have to
27:13
sort of hunt for it to find it,
27:13
which I kinda like to do on a TV
27:16
but it's on that it's on the
27:16
main road anyway. And then is
27:20
your place is really Facebook.
27:20
And anything if you hashtag Andy
27:25
downs are you can find me on
27:25
Facebook or Instagram or the
27:29
little known studios got its own
27:29
Instagram page as well. which
27:33
I'd love to see more people on
27:33
so you can promote the the art
27:36
scene in the area,
27:38  Trev
you will leave all the
27:38
links on on here. So you can you
27:41
can see you and dive. Because we
27:41
really want to be getting you
27:46
because you know you guys are so
27:46
talented. We want to get you out
27:48
there and get people seeing your
27:48
art because that's what it's
27:51
about. You know, there's no
27:51
money changing it so
28:00  Andy
well, that's the thing
28:00
with social media, it's so hard
28:02
to get your work out there now
28:02
because it restricts the amount
28:05
of people that see your story
28:05
feed Anyway, you know, if you've
28:08
got 350 friends, you'll only
28:08
show about 40 of them on
28:11
Facebook, Instagram nine times
28:11
out of 10 they'll shadow ban you
28:15
for using the wrong hashtags and
28:15
then you'll end up coming across
28:18
as spam. So you go nowhere with
28:18
that. And then you know you
28:22
might have 1500 followers and
28:22
then you'll get like 20 likes or
28:26
likes on some Yeah, this is such
28:26
frustration because he's you
28:31
know i watch TV and then you'll
28:31
see you see a drone flying over
28:35
Mexico City and then I think
28:35
hang on I don't know if I've got
28:38
any follows Mexico How do I get
28:38
that reach?
28:41  Trev
How'd you get there? Yeah,
28:41
exactly. Yeah, exactly.
28:44  Wayne
Well, I'll tell you how
28:44
you can get there region D
28:46
because you're not anybody until
28:46
you've played our weekly quiz
28:50
which is called test the guess.
28:50
Are you happy to have a go at
28:54
that? Yeah.
28:57  Unknown
Well, here's our
28:58  Wayne
little jingle for
28:58
testing. Testing. Testing,
29:03
testing.
29:09
New off Andy.
29:12  Trev
How much money we had to
29:12
spend a knockin? remortgage my
29:18
house to get that jingle is one
29:18
pound 50.
29:23  Wayne
But it's subjective. So
29:23
it's not as though this isn't
29:29
serious. And because these
29:29
subjects are so bad, you know,
29:32
we're not we're just they're
29:32
very vast. They're more to have
29:35
fun and make fun of Trevor
29:35
really more than anything else.
29:38
So the first question to to you,
29:38
and if you don't mind, named the
29:45
artist famed for painting the
29:45
Sistine Chapel ceiling. Do you
29:50
want the options?
29:53  Andy
Gone.
29:54  Wayne
It can be Leonardo. It
29:54
can be Raphael. It could be
29:59
Donatella. It could be
29:59
Michelangelo
30:05  Andy
Michelangelo
30:09  Wayne
I just love it because
30:09
it's Teenage Mutant Ninja. Well
30:20
done yeah, so next one for you
30:20
Trevor. This hope you get this
30:24
one here we go.
30:27  Unknown
No, No it isn't.
30:27
century x impression. No, I'm
30:31  Wayne
not like you. My bed, not
30:31
literally my bed. My bed was
30:37
exhibited at the Tate Gallery in
30:37
1999 and consisted of a bed with
30:42
bedroom objects in an object
30:42
state. Who was the artist? Do
30:47
you want the options? Was it Bob
30:47
Carol J. Tony Hart, Richard
30:55
constable or Tracy emin?
31:04  Unknown
Tracy. I mean, it's got
31:10  Wayne
to be Bob Carol. Jeez.
31:15  Unknown
familiar with it.
31:15
Horrible silence silence.
31:22  Wayne
My next question to you.
31:22
The tight is a network of four
31:32
art museums. Two are based in
31:32
London. Give the other two
31:36
English locations. Is it Bristol
31:36
and Gloucester? Manchester and
31:41
Leeds? Lincoln and Birmingham or
31:41
Liverpool and St. Ives in
31:45
Cornwall
31:48  Unknown
Liverpool.
31:51
This man knows his stuff.
31:57  Trev
Gloucester Is that like a
31:57
mic of pickle? Or did you just
32:00
know that they're
32:01  Wayne
real places to have? I
32:01
know you've never left South
32:03
Bend ever in your whole life.
32:03
But they really
32:07  Trev
just thought you might get
32:07
them together. They sounded like
32:10
off of a pickle jar or
32:10
something.
32:12  Wayne
Before he was a building
32:12
society or something? Yeah.
32:19  Trev
All the money from these
32:19
paintings are in the Bristol and
32:22
Gloucester
32:26  Wayne
that would be a good
32:26
night. You just like the word
32:31
Bristol? Really? But it's
32:33  Trev
been a big fan of Bristol.
32:33
Yeah,
32:35  Wayne
there we go. There it
32:35
goes. The money shops right.
32:40
Next one to trip we're not going
32:40
to forget is your turn. What's
32:44
the well known name for a
32:44
painting on a freshly plastered
32:47
wall? Is it less scope?
32:50  Unknown
Is it
32:51
Tesco?
32:54  Wayne
Or is it calcium sulfate
32:54
rendering.
33:01
Once the well known name for
33:01
painting on a freshly plastered
33:04
wall, is it less go? Is it
33:04
Tesco? Is it fresco or is it
33:09
calcium sulfate rendering?
33:14  Trev
alesco Oh, good.
33:21  Wayne
I don't know if you're
33:21
doing it for comedy effect or
33:23
the I don't know. Andy, can you
33:23
do this? Can you answer this
33:26
one?
33:32
I can't believe the ones I made
33:32
up eventually caught you out.
33:36
calcium sulfate render and he's
33:36
more of a tiling kind of that's
33:39
a good one. Yes. Good. I
33:40  Trev
like that. That's a word
33:40
fresco was more of a kind of
33:43
coffee flight. I don't drink
33:43
coffee
33:50  Wayne
was well done. And
33:55  Trev
because I actually am.
33:57  Wayne
And I don't think you'll
33:57
have any problem. This is the
33:59
last question is to you. And
33:59
this is the last one. You'll be
34:01
glad to hear. Which painting was
34:01
stolen from the National Gallery
34:05
in Oslo in 1994. And held to
34:05
ransom for $1 million. And who
34:10
was the artist? Oh no. Don't say
34:10
you don't need to know who the
34:13
artist was. Sorry. That's a was
34:13
it. The Scream? Was it Mona
34:18
Lisa. Was it girl with a Pearl
34:18
Earring? No, not true. That
34:22
trip. And was it the creation of
34:22
Adam?
34:31
I think that's what's known in
34:31
the in the business as a full
34:33
house. Well done. Well done.
34:33
Good show.
34:39  Trev
We got one more question
34:39
for Andy. And this isn't
34:42
actually isn't a lot of will.
34:42
Questions more than not a bad
34:47
opinion. More four chairs. Which
34:47
one will you have bigger fan of?
34:53  Andy
well as in tears out of
34:53
North. Yes.
34:56  Wayne
Yes. He knows. Yeah.
34:56
Cool.
35:01  Trev
Good. Yeah. See? Yeah,
35:03  Unknown
yeah.
35:05  Wayne
That's a clap for that.
35:08  Trev
was a good one. Are you
35:08
done? Yeah, exactly. I was
35:11
already talking about how to get
35:11
it off. But I'm glad you met.
35:17
I'm glad you went there.
35:22  Wayne
And you just to summarize
35:22
on them, you know, coming off of
35:25
that, that higher from the the
35:25
quiz is, just to summarize, I
35:30
know, you're not going to come
35:30
down anytime soon.
35:32  Unknown
Don't worry about
35:34  Wayne
where can where can?
35:34
Where would you suggest I know
35:38
somebody myself actually, who's
35:38
asked me to ask somebody who's
35:41
already, you know, exhibiting
35:41
and everything I know, a local
35:45
artist who is very talented. And
35:45
he's not very good with social
35:49
media or anything. He said, How
35:49
do I where do I start with, with
35:52
kind of sort of getting my art
35:52
out there? What would you say to
35:56
them to him?
35:58  Andy
I would, I would say,
35:58
attend to every art show you can
36:01
and just try and network as much
36:01
as possible. But if you're not,
36:06
if you're not on social media,
36:06
then put the legwork in and just
36:10
just old school, try and talk to
36:10
people. That's that's all you
36:12
can do. sip
36:14  Wayne
is worth if say, somebody
36:14
volunteered to do it for him.
36:17
And you'd still say that you're
36:17
having an Instagram account or
36:19
something, he's definitely
36:19
something you should look into.
36:23  Andy
My best advice from
36:23
anybody for anybody is to
36:26
remember the fact that people
36:26
deal with people. And you can be
36:31
the best artist in the world.
36:31
But if you're a bit of an
36:33
artist, people, possibly or
36:33
probably more likely won't buy
36:37
your art. But a lot of people
36:37
buy in, they buy into the
36:41
artists themselves rather than
36:41
just the art piece. Does
36:45  Unknown
that make sense? Yeah,
36:45
so
36:47  Trev
basically, a podcast won't
36:47
really go anywhere. Because why
36:50
in such an ass
36:54  Wayne
never gonna be the Joe
36:54
Rogan.
36:58  Trev
It has brilliant advice.
36:58
And he that's very true. I think
37:00
people do. You do tend to favor
37:00
people that are decent focus.
37:06
Yeah, you know, you get this
37:08  Wayne
you garner the support in
37:08
the first place, don't you to
37:10
get you somewhere. And because
37:10
these beds, like Yeah, exactly.
37:14  Andy
I mean, just on the face
37:14
of entry, you know, you get a
37:19
lot of galleries and just white
37:19
wall galleries, piece of art
37:22
standing there. In a new guy.
37:22
Oh, yeah, that's nice. And then
37:25
you move on. But if you've got
37:25
the artist sitting there, and
37:27
they'll talk about a piece of
37:27
art, suddenly you're buying into
37:29
that person rather than just the
37:29
image on the wall. And then, and
37:33
then when you come away from it,
37:33
you can tell your friends I
37:35
spoke to the artist is really
37:35
nice. It's on he did this and
37:37
that other day, you get all this
37:37
background I literally wouldn't
37:40
get normally. And yeah, and that
37:40
is key, because we all buy from
37:44
people at the end of the day.
37:45  Wayne
That's it you spot on
37:45
there, Andy, because this is the
37:47
same with the podcast. And if
37:47
people are all jokes to one
37:51
site, you know, when people
37:51
comment on it, they they often
37:55
say you know, it's because I
37:55
like the people that are
37:58
presenting not necessarily me.
37:58
That's obviously true. But I'm
38:01
gonna
38:01  Unknown
say, yeah, we've got
38:01
more than two listeners then
38:05
because we're not. We're not
38:05
that popular.
38:10  Wayne
subjective drivers like
38:10
the art. Yeah, but no, that's
38:14
brilliant advice. Yeah, I did.
38:14
We're gonna put all your links
38:17
on the link, because your work
38:17
is I've had a look myself and
38:20
it's very impressive.
38:23  Trev
Like Dave and Yeovil.
38:23
Andy, they really have Yeah,
38:26  Wayne
they support your local
38:26
artists.
38:30  Trev
They're like little
38:30
secrets that need to be pushed
38:33
out and get out there. Yeah,
38:33
brilliant. Yeah. Lovely.
38:35  Wayne
Thanks for joining us
38:35
today, Andy.
38:37  Andy
Yeah.
38:42  Wayne
Well, after listening to
38:42
Andy, I feel like I could splash
38:46
the ceiling. trif What do you
38:46
think? Yeah. Oh, no, I know
38:51
where your mind is going.
38:55  Trev
Well, I'm actually be on
38:55
Amazon and bought myself a
38:57
little paint set. So
38:59  Wayne
it's inspired you
39:01  Trev
talented enough? I
39:01
couldn't I was looking for
39:03
talent on Amazon. And I couldn't
39:03
find it. But what I'm just gonna
39:07
go with, you know,
39:08  Wayne
when the last time I told
39:08
somebody I was gonna go and do
39:12
some painting. They started
39:12
whistling in the theme tune from
39:14
brush strokes. I was like, Yeah,
39:14
thanks for that.
39:17  Unknown
You and your age.
39:20
We finished that episode.
39:21  Trev
We've just had a very very
39:21
depth conversation with a very
39:24
talented guy. Yeah. And you're
39:24
talking about how you CV again,
39:28  Wayne
wrong episode. Sorry,
39:28
people.
39:31  Trev
Yeah. What AMD come across
39:31
very well. Really scary. Locky
39:37
really supports in local scene.
39:40  Wayne
It's a call in isn't it
39:40
as well. You could tell it's a
39:42
calling
39:42  Trev
isn't from AMD, which I
39:42
really liked. Is he comes across
39:46
as though he there's no snobbery
39:46
in it, that i think that's
39:53
that's what is brilliant about
39:53
local, the local scene that you
39:59
know, you You could walk into
39:59
his gallery, and you wouldn't
40:02
get some like guy and a bear eye
40:02
looking at you like, yeah. Yeah,
40:10
you wouldn't be like, oh, Betty,
40:10
invited it'd be really
40:21
interested in showing you their
40:21
MPC, you know what's going on?
40:25
And I think that's what, that's
40:25
what art needs, because I think
40:27
these for your normal people, I
40:27
think it's quite misunderstood.
40:32
It's only and I'll keep going
40:32
back to that, because that's how
40:34
I feel about it. You know, if I,
40:34
would you feel comfortable
40:39
walking in, and if you hadn't
40:39
spoke to him, they know,
40:42  Wayne
I know what you're
40:42
saying. We've been before a lot,
40:44
we said, and I was only because
40:44
we knew some of the people that
40:48
were exhibiting, and I felt
40:48
comfortable, because you were
40:51
doing and but after listening to
40:51
Andy, I think he's very
40:54
accessible, I would encourage
40:54
people to check out your local
40:59
art scene. And if there's an
40:59
exhibition go along, there's
41:02
usually a drink to go and it's
41:02
really social walk around,
41:05
because I might have said it
41:05
before, but people are buying
41:09
art and prints from from their
41:09
local sort of shade, you know,
41:13
like the DIY store, so I go and
41:13
buy a piece of art.
41:16  Unknown
isn't that expensive?
41:16
Okay, Honey, let's just go down
41:20
the range and pick a color photo
41:22  Wayne
of the guys on the
41:22
Brooklyn Bridge or wherever it
41:24
is hanging off with their lunch.
41:26  Trev
You could easily go and
41:26
get
41:29  Wayne
an original original
41:29
piece of art makes you feel
41:31
special. Yeah.
41:32  Unknown
Yeah. And to be honest,
41:32
these guys need that support as
41:35
well. Don't know exactly, yeah,
41:36  Wayne
keep your local economy
41:36
going.
41:39  Trev
If you get if you walk in
41:39
someone's house, like Oh, that's
41:41
a nice plate. Actually. It's an
41:41
original. Yeah,
41:44  Wayne
it's a talking piece.
41:45  Unknown
I've got that from the
41:46  Wayne
Harry Potter. Yeah, I
41:46
know. Sorry, man. Now, I've said
41:51
this, this is a talking piece,
41:51
isn't it? And then I thought
41:53
I'll put some people might think
41:53
I mean, like the talking
41:55
paintings in Harry Potter, but
41:55
maybe there was just a big old
42:02
French was like hanging out of
42:02
it. Like just, you know, sort of
42:06
taking Vicar of Dibley. Don't
42:06
even go there yet. But, but
42:14
yeah, I think we'll leave all
42:14
the links to Andy's are on the
42:17
website on Instagram. But we
42:17
would encourage you and say this
42:20
is Trev and myself, and you know
42:20
how uncultured we are. But we
42:23
enjoy the art scene. And I would
42:23
really encourage you to go and
42:27
check out your local art scene
42:27
support them. These guys put a
42:29
lot of hard work into it. And it
42:29
really gives you areas a
42:33
cultural aspect to the local
42:33
vicinity.
42:36  Trev
It's really what you want.
42:37  Wayne
So yeah, thanks, Andy,
42:37
for that. Thanks for joining us
42:39
today. Thank you. And thank you
42:39
guys, for listening. As always,
42:44
the website's www.am ello
42:44
podcast.com. Please leave us a
42:49
review. Leave us some obese,
42:51  Andy
to be honest,
42:51  Trev
before we go very,
42:52  Unknown
very quickly.
42:53  Trev
If you are an aspiring
42:53
artist, send us some of your
42:56
stuff in
42:57  Wayne
Yeah, we'll try and
42:59  Trev
put it on the site and
42:59
have a look and show people
43:01
yeah, good trip. Yeah.
43:02  Wayne
That'd be cool. Yeah,
43:02
very good. Now, thanks,
43:04
everyone, for listening as
43:04
always, and we'll see you on the
43:07
next one.
43:08  Unknown
Cheers trip.
43:09
See ya.