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episode 20: All About Vaping: A Breath Of Fresh Air [transcript]


Date: 23rd May 2021

Name of show: A Midlife Less Ordinary

Episode title and number:  All About Vaping: A Breath Of Fresh Air

Season 2: Episode 20

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Wayne & Trev talk to vape mixologist Martin with a mission to discover what this craze is all about.



 
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 2021-05-23  30m
 
 
00:01  intro
You're listening to a mid
00:01
life less ordinary, the weekly
00:05
podcast giving you the lowdown
00:05
on becoming a cool older dude.
00:11
The good times
00:12
are not a faded memory, it's
00:12
time to start living them
00:15
again. And here are your hosts,
00:15
Wayne and Trev.
00:22  Wayne
Hello again and welcome
00:22
to a mid life less ordinary. I'm
00:25
Wayne and today's title is all
00:25
about vaping which I think you
00:29
can probably guess and the
00:29
subtitle is a breath of fresh
00:32
air question mark. And as always
00:32
trips token up a large one. It's
00:40
got Darth Vader here as well.
00:47
I love you for the Star Wars
00:47
impressions, man. That's cool.
00:50
Trev
00:51  Unknown
my opinion? Yes,
00:51
please.
00:53  Martin
Now you go for it.
00:56  Trev
I think he's lying.
00:56
Basically, the reason I think
01:01
he's lying is the amount like
01:01
the amount of kind of people you
01:06
see just blowing smoke out. And
01:06
these horrible, sweet, sticky
01:11
smell bad in the span of
01:11
cigarettes. Yeah. But he just
01:17
got all these people to think
01:17
he's calling a pillow in his
01:20
smoke out tagging pitches in
01:20
sales on social media looking
01:24
like danger with a dragon. Let's
01:24
just put out a fire. I think
01:28
it's I think it's a market
01:28
industry. You know, you've got
01:32
all these gadgets they use.
01:32
They're huge. I don't like
01:35
saying hand side over there
01:35
strap. It looks like a power
01:39
reach that would fix the
01:39
Millennium Falcon. I say it's
01:44
like, I just don't get it.
01:47  Wayne
What is it you this is
01:47
where we've got Martin today
01:49
who's an expert in vaping. To
01:49
user base, he explains to us
01:52
because I'm a layman where this
01:52
is concerned me because I think
01:54
we've said it before. I was I
01:54
was a smoker for 25 years. And
01:59
when I give up 10 years ago,
01:59
roughly. The vaping wasn't
02:03
really a thing. So I had to sort
02:03
of do the, you know, go to the
02:06
doctors get what you could
02:06
patches, this that the other and
02:09
try and do it that way. But I
02:09
think
02:11  Trev
it's an Iron Maiden that
02:11
Yeah, exactly.
02:16  Wayne
But I you know, I had to
02:16
do it that way. But I think if
02:20
this was around, I'm glad in a
02:20
way it wasn't because I think
02:22
I'll be addicted to vaping
02:22
instead of smoking, you know,
02:25
that might be a better thing
02:25
than smoking. But I'm not sure
02:28
if that if the science has
02:28
actually proved that vaping
02:31
isn't bad for you yet, because
02:31
we haven't had the long term
02:34
review. And I'll ask Martin
02:34
about this.
02:36  Unknown
But has it been around
02:36
now? I don't know. It was
02:39  Wayne
probably around 10 years
02:39
ago, but I don't think it was a
02:41
big thing like you say that
02:41
shops have appeared and
02:44
especially vaping places and
02:44
like Trump said like all the
02:46
gadgets and things have evolved
02:46
into Star Trek types. And you're
02:50
sorry, I mustn't get Star Wars
02:50
and Star Trek in the same
02:52
sentence. People get the honor.
02:54  Trev
But it should say because
02:54
I'm such a big fan. It just said
02:58
it's
03:00  Wayne
any opportunity to bring
03:00
up the pet shop Boise's there.
03:03
And it has been mentioned
03:03
before, but yeah, I don't know
03:07
much about vaping. As I say,
03:07
Tripp summed it up. Well, when
03:09
he said though, there's puffs of
03:09
strawberry flavored smokey.
03:13  Trev
I'm hoping Martin with his
03:13
knowledge and he comes across
03:18
can change my mind. Really?
03:21  Wayne
Well. You know, when
03:21
you're gonna start vaping
03:23  Trev
Why would I know? The
03:23
other thing I don't care, like
03:29
I've come across people that
03:29
didn't smoke, but just vaped
03:33
because they thought it looked
03:33
cold. They wanted to get on.
03:36
They wanted to get on that
03:36
fashion trip kind of thing.
03:38  Wayne
Yeah, it was even lamer
03:38
than the thing. They've been
03:42
anyone Marlboro Man was quite
03:42
cold as smoking but I don't see
03:44
with a bit of metal sticking out
03:44
your mouth. It seems that cold
03:49
to be honest. Just doesn't What
03:49
do you say
03:51  Trev
boba man, I thought you
03:51
were talking about a Mickey
03:53
Rourke movie.
03:54  Wayne
Well, yeah, it's funny.
03:54
Now here we've done Johnson as
03:56
well. Yes. Yeah. Sorry. I don't
03:56
know. We're back on movies. You
04:00
blame me in the last episode for
04:00
a guide on 80s. tv? We'll go off
04:05
on it. But yeah, right. But
04:05
without further ado, let's find
04:11
out about vaping Welcome to
04:11
Martin. Welcome to show and here
04:15
we go. So Martin, thank you for
04:15
joining us today. We're looking
04:19
forward to finding out all about
04:19
vaping. I'd like to start off by
04:23
just asking. Usually asked how
04:23
did you start? But basically,
04:28
wine Yeah, I'll try and break
04:28
the mold. Basically my I mean,
04:32
I'm an ex smoker. So this is not
04:32
something I've ever been
04:35
involved in. I didn't go over to
04:35
vaping when I give up is is
04:38
vaping akin to smoking in the
04:38
sense of you start it and it's
04:42
difficult to give up or how did
04:42
you get involved with vaping in
04:45
the first place? Well,
04:47  Martin
I I started vaping is
04:47
more like a gadget so I used to
04:52
smoke about 20 mulgara tailor
04:52
made cigarettes a day and
04:58
someone I knew got a New vape
04:58
tank is brand new on the market
05:03
like a sub Ohm tank, and
05:03
basically gives you just big
05:06
clouds of vapor with nicotine.
05:06
And so I thought I'd give it a
05:11
bash. And I went from 20 a day
05:11
in the first week to two a day
05:15
and then none a day in the
05:15
second week and never looked
05:17
back when that was five and a
05:17
half years ago. So you have
05:21  Wayne
you don't smoke it at all
05:21
anymore. Martin no vaping thing
05:25
is satisfied, right?
05:27  Martin
In Yeah, in five and a
05:27
half years bearing in mind I was
05:30
on 20 a day. I've done I've
05:30
tried about 40 cigarettes and I
05:34
was five and a half years and
05:34
basically it's like a, it
05:38
confirms I made the right choice
05:38
because every time I try one, I
05:40
get about centimeter in taste
05:40
bad. It feels bad. And the wife
05:45
don't like exhausting. And I'll
05:45
face it, put it out and I go I
05:49
think the last time my friends
05:49
are smoking, I think it was 2019
05:53
and I thought I smells good.
05:53
I'll treat myself and have a
05:56
cigarette. I lit it up is
05:56
disgusting. And I gave the other
06:00
19 to a homeless guy in the
06:00
street because you know, like
06:04
even I just spent like 12 pounds
06:04
on the pack. It just didn't
06:08
taste right. I think I missed
06:08
the big sparking up you know,
06:13
lighter sparking up and I first
06:13
draw I do miss the feeling of
06:18
that. But
06:19  Trev
I think I think a lot of
06:19
ex smokers do. I think Wayne and
06:23
I do that. Because you've
06:23
answered my question because I
06:26
was just about to say did you
06:26
smoke but we've spoke about it
06:32
before about smoking on this
06:32
podcast and widens a very
06:36
reformed non smoker.
06:39
Yeah, I think I I'd say kind of
06:39
90% I say I've completely
06:45
allergy Cade, you're going to
06:45
talk to me like a complete
06:48
numpty cuz I I know nothing
06:48
about vaping. But would you
06:52
agree that not a lot of the
06:52
percentage of people that do
06:55
vape are ex smokers?
06:59  Martin
Yeah, I mean, you're
06:59
getting more people now trying
07:01
vaping. I mean, I know, a couple
07:01
from a lady bought a viper
07:06
recently. And her husband tried
07:06
it. And he has it now with no
07:09
nicotine because he dislikes the
07:09
taste.
07:13  Unknown
Jamie didn't even know
07:13
that. To be honest.
07:16  Martin
Yeah. Because he was
07:16
involved in it. Yeah, the
07:18
majority of people I think that
07:18
are vapors are smokers. I mean,
07:22
personally, you know, I don't, I
07:22
started smoking. And I was
07:26
overseas working away. And I
07:26
remember sitting thinking, you
07:30
idiot, you know, you're now
07:30
hooked to these things. And I
07:34
think that's the crux of it. I
07:34
don't see the point in vaping.
07:37
If you don't smoke, but then
07:37
what's the point in smoking? So
07:41
people, people are gonna try it.
07:41
But I think majority of people
07:44
are ex smokers. But you know,
07:44
that's best. You know, they
07:49
weren't they weren't like kids.
07:49
What do
07:51  Trev
you say you you you work
07:51
in overseas? Because you've got
07:54
quite a big sort of career quite
07:54
a quite a big job Avenue. You're
07:59
a policeman? For more. Yeah.
08:01  Martin
Yeah. I mean, I'll
08:01
probably want to I didn't get
08:03
permission to come on here. So
08:03
it's probably a good idea. But
08:07
yeah, I did. I did. I did work
08:07
overseas. Yeah. It's all right.
08:12
You said you mentioned it
08:12
before, and you've got the wrong
08:14
police force. I'm happy.
08:18  Wayne
We'll have to do one of
08:18
them disguised voices, Martin
08:20
that they do on some of these
08:24  Trev
kind of robots?
08:25  Unknown
Yeah.
08:28  Trev
We actually are pretty
08:28
good at protecting people's kind
08:31
of anonymity. Is that the word
08:31
I'm looking for?
08:33  Wayne
Yeah. Because they don't
08:33
want anything to do with us
08:35
after they've done that.
08:38  Trev
There's so much there's
08:38
not there's hardly any truth in
08:41
anything. So I think he wants to
08:41
get in trouble. They'd never be
08:45
attracted down mind. So you
08:45
wouldn't have a problem there.
08:49
And any body with any kind of
08:49
sense of Paul that could get you
08:54
into trouble would listen to us
08:54
anyway.
08:57  Martin
Yeah. And I mean, I just
08:57
gotta make sure I don't say
08:59
anything controversial. It's all
08:59
good, though. You know, at the
09:02
end of the day, it's about
09:02
spreading vaping. You know, I
09:05
wouldn't advise people to don't
09:05
smoke, too, right? Because he
09:09
got there. The idea of vaping is
09:09
that you get off the cigarettes.
09:15
It's interesting, because last
09:15
month, Public Health England
09:19
released a new updated report
09:19
into vaping. I haven't read it
09:22
all, to be honest with you. But
09:22
the general gist of it is that
09:25
they support it as a healthier
09:25
alternative to smoking. So that
09:32
they're saying, you know, like,
09:32
if you want to quit vaping, they
09:35
would recommend vaping as a way
09:35
of quitting. Obviously, there
09:38
are other ways of doing it, but
09:38
it's very effective. Because you
09:40
get the mannerisms. You get the
09:40
hat, you know, you get the cloud
09:44
of smoke or vapors, you know,
09:44
it's vapor, you get the nicotine
09:48
hit, you know, so you don't lose
09:48
out too much.
09:51  Wayne
Is it? Is it Martin is
09:51
with the vaping. I think one of
09:55
the things that the research and
09:55
everything is that we haven't
09:58
come through the other side of
09:58
the long term. Research it
10:00
because obviously cigarettes in
10:00
in black and white days, they
10:04
will at least advertise them.
10:04
The doctor used to recommend
10:06
I'll have some cigarettes,
10:06
they're good for you. And then
10:09
obviously overtime, probably in
10:09
our childhood, they've become
10:12
sort of like something you
10:12
really need to stop or not start
10:15
in the first place for health
10:15
reasons. And do you think that
10:19
that what you know, so far that
10:19
vaping won't follow that path,
10:22
it won't be something that's got
10:22
certain chemicals in it that
10:26
causes patients to Yeah, get
10:26
carcinogens and things like
10:29
that.
10:30  Martin
I think basically, the
10:30
way I look at it is that when
10:34
you when you start looking at
10:34
the ingredients to start with,
10:37
you know, like, there's 4000
10:37
chemicals in cigarettes, the
10:40
main thing that kills in
10:40
cigarettes is the tar, which
10:43
gives you all your carcinogens
10:43
in your body. And they brought
10:48
in a lot of regulations within
10:48
the vaping community, where you
10:52
have to have certain ingredients
10:52
and they can't be toxic and
10:56
things are tested, you know,
10:56
with the local the recent change
11:00
in tobacco products directive,
11:00
they've meant anything that
11:03
contains nicotine has to be
11:03
tested. And so if there's any
11:06
harmful ingredients in there,
11:06
then they don't pass the test. I
11:11
think at the end of the day,
11:11
you're breathing gone.
11:14  Trev
No, sorry, the way you're
11:14
talking, you obviously know a
11:17
hell of a lot of what goes into
11:17
vaping so do you make your own
11:21
stuff mine? I think you do.
11:23  Martin
I have my mind stuff.
11:23
And I go sometimes it depends
11:28
like what's available you know,
11:28
because if there's any specials
11:30
on our bison cheaper liquid, and
11:30
stuff like that, I mean, you
11:34
know, like there are lists of
11:34
ingredients in liquids you can
11:36
look up if you buy concentrate,
11:36
you can look up the ingredients
11:40
listed like flavor, I think so
11:40
Italian company, and they list
11:44
what goes into them. But going
11:44
back to the health side of
11:47
things, I think, you know, there
11:47
may be something in the future
11:51
which comes out about vaping it
11:51
could well happen but at the
11:55
moment, I feel better I breathe
11:55
better. I smell better. And it's
12:01
got me off I know I know that
12:01
the cancer sticks will kill me
12:05
eventually. Because they do you
12:05
know the cigarettes is proven
12:09
they will kill you eventually.
12:09
On try to get off use Champix
12:13
which is another its appeal
12:13
which makes you feel sick. And
12:17
it blocks your nicotine
12:17
receptors, but the side effects
12:21
of suicidal thoughts depression
12:21
and all that sort of stuff. I
12:24
was lucky I didn't have any of
12:24
that. And all the other stuff.
12:27
You know, you breathe in
12:27
nicotine in these inhalers this
12:30
gum, they're now doing tobacco
12:30
pouches I've done if you've seen
12:33
those Well, they were doing they
12:33
used to be like it's like a you
12:37
know piece of stick tobacco
12:37
inside their gum against the gum
12:42
and the lip. It's quite big I
12:42
think in the Scandinavian
12:46
countries and bases a pouch of
12:46
ground tobacco and you stick it
12:49
in inside your lip and I think
12:49
the surf species fiberglass but
12:53
it's a rough material. It's
12:53
scratchy gums and you get your
12:57
nicotine improve that and I've
12:57
no
13:01  Trev
it's not the old Wild
13:01
West. We've got a spittoon by
13:04
the old tobacco chewing tobacco
13:04
teen I must admit,
13:09  Wayne
yeah, you look like you
13:09
could eczema that to be fair.
13:11  Unknown
Yeah.
13:12  Martin
I actually worked with
13:12
some guys that used to do that.
13:15
And that's it. They would have
13:15
to spit in the water bottle
13:17
every now and again. Slowly.
13:19  Trev
Have you ever discussed
13:19
you ever actually tried to
13:22
tobacco Martin?
13:23  Martin
No, no,
13:24  Trev
I I thought I didn't
13:24
realize I tried it when I was
13:27
about 1210 I didn't realize then
13:27
that it was actually special
13:35
stuff to choose.
13:37  Wayne
Are you stuck or be in a
13:37
jam often? Yeah, yeah.
13:40  Trev
I did. Yeah. There was
13:40
when I was on calls. And there
13:45
was a pouch of old Holborn, see
13:45
it on the side. And I was
13:49
showing off to my young cousin.
13:49
And I was like, yeah, cuz I'm a
13:53
cowboy. And I actually took a
13:53
massive lump of it and chewed
13:57
it. And I was so sick. It was
14:01
because I didn't realize we'd
14:01
like a bar that you break out.
14:05
Yeah. Honestly, I was so so ill.
14:05
It was like to admit to my
14:10
parents,
14:16  Martin
chemicals, all that
14:16
stuff as well. Oh,
14:18  Wayne
yeah. Talk talking to
14:18
that, Marty. If say it saying
14:21
that somebody is listening to us
14:21
now. And they smoke, and they've
14:26
maybe thought about vaping?
14:26
Where would you suggest that
14:28
they start with it? Well, the
14:28
equipment do they need and where
14:32
would they start with the
14:32
nicotine content and flavors and
14:34
things like that?
14:36  Martin
nrtiartinWell, the thing
14:36
is, I think that vaping is very
14:38
subjective because it's what
14:38
works, everyone's different. So
14:41
I went on to the big was called
14:41
director lung subdomain, which
14:45
is, it's all to do with the
14:45
resistance of the coil where
14:48
basically you get big clouds of
14:48
smoke or vapor. And then you've
14:52
got a mouth to lung which is
14:52
small amounts of vapor. It's
14:56
more akin to like a cigarette
14:56
sort of thing. So You know, and
15:01
most people start with the mouth
15:01
to lung sort of experience. And
15:05
you can get anything from zero
15:05
nicotine to 20 nicotine in this
15:09
country, which is the strength
15:09
milligrams per milliliter, I
15:13
think is one micrograms per
15:13
milliliter. And basically, you
15:18
the best thing to do is go down
15:18
a vape shop ever chat with the
15:21
guy, if he's offering you
15:21
something which is at 90 pounds
15:24
to start with, and he's no good.
15:24
If he's offering you something
15:27
around the 30 to 40 pound mark,
15:27
then it you know, like, because
15:32
basically that some people are
15:32
trying to sell you the biggest
15:34
baddest device going. And that's
15:34
not always the best way to
15:37
start. It's best to start off
15:37
cheap and light like the mouth
15:41
to lung sort of style. and work
15:41
your way up from there and find
15:45
out where your happy spot is.
15:47  Trev
Now I'm glad you mentioned
15:47
vaping shops mine because we've
15:51
got a few where near where I
15:51
live. And to be honest, they
15:55
don't look the most savory
15:55
places is that just in my area
15:59
always. Like Dasa is a classy
15:59
vape shop mine. So I'm saying
16:12  Martin
there are costs. I think
16:12
anyone where you walk in and you
16:15
can sit down and have a chat
16:15
with someone and they don't like
16:18
some of the ones there's one
16:18
near you. I remember going in on
16:21
searchers road and they were
16:21
just rude and offish. And they
16:26
Yeah.
16:29  Unknown
But you know.
16:31  Martin
So I do have a friend
16:31
who owns a vape shop Diablo
16:33
Fight Club.
16:35  Unknown
is a good name for it.
16:35
Yeah,
16:37  Martin
he's and also he said
16:37
it. Yeah. But he said he has a
16:43
10% discount if they go in
16:43
there. Yeah, we'll,
16:48  Wayne
we'll take the links off
16:48
your mind. We put it on the
16:50
website and everything. Yeah,
16:50
yeah, yes. Good. Yeah. Thank
16:53
you.
16:55  Martin
Yeah, Diablo is
16:55
whitecloud. It's on Instagram,
16:57
Facebook, and these web pages in
16:57
development, but he only opened
17:00
up last year during the
17:00
pandemic. So obviously, it's
17:04
been slow going. But basically
17:04
don't ever chat with him. And he
17:08
give you advice. Like he asked
17:08
you how much you smoke and in
17:12
your workout, how strong you
17:12
need it and you can start off at
17:16
a level and you can always
17:16
reduce it. The idea is that you
17:19
don't leave yourself wanting so
17:19
you go back to a cigarette. And
17:24
you know, like the way I look at
17:24
it is if you're smoking and
17:26
you're smoking TaylorMade then
17:26
you're spending about 10 pounds
17:30
a pack. So for me that's the
17:30
average.
17:38  Trev
Wikipedia's kind of think
17:38
of like you're still living in
17:40
1985 Yeah,
17:41  Wayne
I still think it's one
17:41
pound 50 Oh,
17:44  Martin
yes. 11 pound 50 for
17:44
patcham over gold think. Wow.
17:48  Unknown
Dear, do you know when
17:48
they were when I smoked?
17:52  Martin
Yeah, but it's
17:52
ridiculous. You know, and if you
17:55
smoke 20 a day. If you stop
17:55
smoking before four days you pay
17:59
for your vape gear. If you don't
17:59
like it, you can buy something
18:02
new
18:05  Trev
is a really good way of
18:05
summing it up
18:07  Wayne
talking to tailor made
18:07
Martin I've got something that's
18:10
tailor made for you. We've got
18:10
the segment of the week which is
18:14
used to be called test Trevor
18:14
now we we call it test the guest
18:17
so it is a little intro segment
18:17
if you don't mind we'll just
18:20
have a little quiz review and
18:20
drive.
18:23  Unknown
Test test test test
18:37
absolutely loves doing them
18:37
little links say that's the
18:46
favorite bit of the party
18:47  Wayne
I don't even know I do it
18:47
you put called me up on it.
18:49
Yeah, but I have told you about
18:49
it. I
18:51  Unknown
like it.
18:53  Wayne
It's a throwback to the
18:53
four
18:56  Unknown
C's trigger word this
18:56
week what's your trigger
18:58  Wayne
word tailor made was well
18:58
spotted. Sadly this is I
19:04
couldn't really find questions
19:04
that suited the the fate so
19:07
basically these are just
19:07
abbreviations Martin I'm going
19:09
to we've only got a few to do
19:09
and I'll give one to you want to
19:13
trade and it's just a bit of fun
19:13
so don't obviously wouldn't
19:15
expect you to know all these
19:15
because some of these probably
19:17
made them and just put them on
19:17
the internet. So to you Martin
19:21
question one and it's multiple
19:21
choice. What does our Romeo you
19:26
know this romagnolo not supposed
19:26
to talk about it. What does
19:29
Romeo Bravo alpha stands for
19:29
RBI?
19:35  Martin
rebuildable atomizer
19:40  Wayne
is correct sir. Yes, well
19:40
done. And now for now we will
19:43
get to hear the sad trombone
19:43
hopefully in the next
19:47  Unknown
was more in speaking
19:47
English then. I didn't get it.
19:50  Wayne
I like waiting for it
19:50
before the answers come in. As a
19:55
proper explanation There's more
19:55
of these to come yet Trev
20:02  Trev
Don't worry about it. I
20:02
know my ABCs by all what it says
20:05
to me is one for you now and
20:05
that
20:07  Wayne
stroke on it Alright, so
20:07
take it easy What does Victor
20:11
golf VG stand for?
20:13  Trev
VGA?
20:15  Wayne
Is it very good? Is it
20:15
versatile generator or is it
20:20
vegetable glycerol
20:25  Martin
oh well that's an easy
20:25
one trif
20:28  Wayne
very good Come on your
20:29  Unknown
vapor
20:33  Wayne
What do you think is the
20:33
glycerol
20:36  Unknown
yeah
20:38  Wayne
we'd like to get your
20:38
trip to get it wrong he was
20:42
gonna say it to be fair well
20:42
done true and Martin Martin
20:51
question free What does Victor
20:51
whiskey stands for variable
20:56
wattage
21:00
well done there's no mystery
21:00
you've got similar one trivia
21:06
question for what does Victor
21:06
Victor stand for?
21:09  Trev
Victor Victor,
21:11  Wayne
v v.
21:13  Trev
Be options please.
21:15  Wayne
A variable value variable
21:15
valve or variable voltage?
21:22  Trev
variable voltage is an AC
21:22
DC album or Reagan? Right okay,
21:27
but
21:27  Wayne
that's not the question
21:27
Is it your answer though? Oh
21:33
variable Val. No,
21:34  Trev
no. No one
21:38  Wayne
trip does the smelting
21:42  Unknown
electronic cigarette
21:46  Wayne
Martinez to hell he knows
21:46
you need this
21:54
last one number five to Martin
21:54
What does Papa golf stand for?
22:08
That was a top class test the
22:08
guest Martin properly English.
22:12  Trev
shocker to be
22:15  Wayne
nice we got five correct
22:17  Unknown
mind
22:18  Wayne
being a master least we
22:18
know we do is good. He's got
22:21
five but people have learned
22:21
something.
22:23  Unknown
Right as well. For me.
22:25  Martin
Interestingly enough
22:25
wine eg is what gives you the
22:28
throat hit to hit too hard so it
22:28
feels so it gives you the clouds
22:34  Wayne
so all these different
22:34
parts of vaping is just to give
22:37
you the effect of smoking like
22:37
the smoke there is not the
22:40
actual you know actually sort of
22:40
blow exhaling smoke your it's
22:44
just an effect of it kind of
22:44
thing
22:46  Martin
is the reaction I guess.
22:46
So like I've ate with a small
22:49
amount of PG because I do big
22:49
clouds so it really punched in
22:53
the throat. Where people that do
22:53
the smaller clouds the mouth to
22:57
lungs they would have a 5050 mix
22:57
of VG and PG Yes. And it's that
23:02
and and it's you know it's got
23:02
different viscosity. So you you
23:06
build a device differently or
23:06
you have different coils. It
23:10
there is a science behind it and
23:10
it's very geeky.
23:12  Trev
Yeah, cool. Very quickly
23:12
Martin if you if you can only
23:16
have one follow UVA for the rest
23:16
of your life. What would it be?
23:21
And don't say my nutsack
23:23  Wayne
because he's tried that
23:23
it wasn't good He made us better
23:30
this is really this This podcast
23:30
is turned into a different
23:37  Martin
Cause everything goes
23:37
even at the moment I'm vaping a
23:40
like a tobacco which is is like
23:40
a caramel sort of like
23:44
butterscotch or flavor and I'd
23:44
probably vape tobacco ish flavor
23:50
because it's good with beers and
23:50
coffee. So we go for that
23:55
tobacco if you know it's not too
23:55
bad anyone that buys tonight
23:58  Unknown
just about tobacco What
23:58
did
24:01  Martin
you notice smell when
24:01
you when you will pass on a
24:04
cigarette you get that sweets or
24:04
caramel flavor? Yes. And that's
24:09
that's that's what you get. But
24:09
you don't
24:12  Trev
smell like that
24:13  Wayne
trip. This is meant to be
24:13
a high class podcast. What are
24:16
you talking about?
24:17  Unknown
Why did you make
24:20
something up here?
24:21
But they taste like
24:27  Wayne
a whole new audience now
24:27
on the dark web. That's
24:32
brilliant. I think you summed it
24:32
up nicely. Martin giving people
24:35
two flavors. We'll get some
24:35
links off you for using on the
24:38
website. People get a discount.
24:39  Trev
Thank you pal about the
24:39
shop as well. That's really
24:41
good. Yeah, nice. I
24:43  Martin
mean, that's brilliant.
24:43
The websites in production is
24:45
nearly finished, but you can
24:45
message them on Instagram and
24:49
Facebook and E shops in
24:49
westcliffe on the London Road
24:52
for those sex just
24:52  Trev
give us a name one more
24:52
time mine so people know
24:55  Martin
the abalos vape club and
24:55
the guys called john and he's a
24:58
decent fellow. You just got to
24:58
change Did he give you the
25:01
advice you need?
25:04  Wayne
That's pretty much good.
25:04
Thanks for joining us today
25:06
Marty has
25:07  Trev
been really informative.
25:07
You To be honest, you knew
25:09
everything. Your brain must be
25:09
the size of a house may is
25:13
incredible.
25:15  Martin
There's loads of stuff.
25:19  Unknown
voice as brilliant as
25:21
mine, James Martin. Why?
25:24  Wayne
Well, after listening to
25:24
Martin Trove, have you changed
25:28
your mind? About vaping? Yeah,
25:28
have
25:32  Trev
I never read? No. I never
25:32
really took the ticket eaten
25:37
that people would play smoking
25:37
with it. Yeah. And that's a good
25:43
thing. As long as the science
25:43
proves it's not bad for you.
25:46
That's great, isn't it?
25:47  Wayne
Oh, definitely. Oh, yeah.
25:47
For the benefit benefits far
25:50
outweigh the negatives? Yeah,
25:52  Trev
yeah. Yeah, don't be
25:52
wrong. I've changed my opinion
25:59
on it. If it does good, then why
25:59
would you not be good?
26:03  Wayne
If it's a replacement for
26:03
for actually smoking cigarettes,
26:09
then great. It's gonna take a
26:09
while. I think I said in the
26:13
podcast, the long term I you
26:13
know, the long term research in
26:17
there, but Martin kind of come
26:17
back with that and said, Look, I
26:20
can tell myself from smoking
26:20
before and then going on to
26:23
this. I can breathe better. I
26:23
don't smell so bad. I mean, you
26:26
know, when we used to smoke it
26:26
used to come back from from
26:29
going out at night and smelling
26:29
like a bloomin ashtray, didn't
26:32
you?
26:32  Trev
Yeah, you did. The other
26:32
thing I didn't realize I didn't
26:36
realize there was so much to it.
26:36
There was so much science to it.
26:40  Wayne
Yeah, properly in
26:40
glycerol with this that
26:43  Trev
I didn't know that
26:43
chemical made it sound like you
26:45
had to live a physics degree or
26:45
chemistry degree to do
26:49  Wayne
I think test the case
26:49
kind of made that feel that way.
26:51
But that was the question. But
26:51
yeah, they will do abbreviations
26:54
for it, in which you might have
26:54
done a very good, very good
26:58
result in that, by the way, and
26:58
he also helped you. And I just
27:02
didn't get to do I just want you
27:02
to give you one of these.
27:10  Trev
If he ever did not give
27:10
you the lightning seeds guest of
27:13
the month. Yes. He probably wind
27:13
it
27:16  Wayne
down. I don't want to
27:16
alienate all the other guests.
27:19
Just on that trip. That was
27:19
Treasury's done that everyone is
27:23
everyone who's come on as a as a
27:23
as a results of the quiz. Yeah.
27:27
can't knock it.
27:29  Trev
He was actually answering
27:29
your questions before you
27:31
actually do
27:31  Wayne
that. Which is quite
27:31
impressive. To be fair. Yeah.
27:33
Which is
27:34  Trev
what we like to do stuff.
27:34
Yeah, he's totally round. I'm
27:39
not saying no, no one can you
27:39
for Christmas? vaping. Okay.
27:46
Because I just couldn't be
27:46
bothered to carry all that stuff
27:48
around with me. But we just
27:50  Wayne
don't want to swap one
27:50
addiction. I mean, didn't know
27:52
that you smoke anymore anyway,
27:52
obviously. But you don't want to
27:55
swap one thing for another
27:55
necessarily do you don't want to
27:58
carry stuff,
27:59  Unknown
the lesser of less have
27:59
to eat that lesson.
28:01  Wayne
If you smoke, it's a no
28:01
brainer. Give it a give it a go
28:05
and see how you get on. Because
28:05
if it I mean, it can't turn out
28:08
to be much worse than smoking.
28:08
Let's be honest. It's terrible.
28:11  Trev
What did impress me as
28:11
well, was the sort of economic
28:14
value of it. And Marty mentioned
28:14
that, yeah, but how
28:19  Unknown
did you know cigarettes
28:19
are 12 pound a packet now?
28:22
Because I
28:23
thought when I go back to
28:24  Wayne
I was smoking, I wouldn't
28:24
be giving you a one now for your
28:26
social smokers out on the
28:26
balcony anymore. Be like no,
28:29
this is costing like 85
28:31  Unknown
Yeah. So when you think
28:31
about it, they're not
28:34  Wayne
not over Quidditch. Now,
28:34
there's no point is there you
28:37
that was enough to give maybe
28:37
give up? Yeah, definitely.
28:40  Trev
Yeah, yeah, he's but now
28:40
anyway. Yeah, that's that. And
28:43
that's actually done what this
28:43
podcast should do? Yes, actually
28:49
educate me to turn my opinion
28:49
round. Yeah, it really is. I
28:53
didn't think
28:54  Wayne
you know, once there was
28:54
darkness. Now there is light, as
28:57
they say.
28:58  Trev
Once there was no smoke,
28:58
and now there is smoke.
29:03  Wayne
There's no smoke and
29:03
mirrors on you. So that sums it
29:09
up. So let us put some links on
29:09
the website for you to the ones
29:12
that were Martin said you can
29:12
get a discount. We'll put all
29:15
the links on there for you. As
29:15
always, thanks for listening.
29:19
Thanks to Trev for being here.
29:19
As always,
29:21  Trev
basically, if you want to
29:21
leave a message, so your
29:24
favorite flavor is, as always,
29:24
the
29:26  Wayne
website is www.am ello
29:26
podcast.com. And, as always,
29:31
give us some grief everyone else
29:31
does. So thanks for joining us,
29:35
as always, and we'll see you on
29:35
the next one. Yep.
29:41  Unknown
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