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episode 26: Podcast piracy or defamation, should podcast hosts monitor the content or could a new podcast license be the simple fix to the problem? [transcript]


Join James Cridland and Sam Sethi as they discuss podcast piracy, theft, content moderation and licensing.

GUESTS:
- ???? Jake Warren ???? - CEO Message Heard
- Will Page - author of Tarzan Economics
- Dave Jones - Lead Developer Podcast Index

NEWS:
- Apple Podcasts Subscriptions, Channels and Affiliations launched

- Spotify announces offline music, playlists and podcast downloads on Apple Watch

- Spotify is about to get into audiobooks

- Anchor is hosting pirate podcasts; such as Message Heard’s 'Finding Natasha'

- Jason Calacanis says Podclips is one of a new set of podcast apps stealing audio clips from his podcast shows

- The podcast:license tag is now finalised.

- podping․cloud is now being used in production at PodcastIndex.
It’s a distributed service using the Hive blockchain.

- Twitter’s getting ready for the launch of Ticketed Spaces. The company is partnering with Stripe to handle payments.

- Google Reader lives?! Google Chrome is testing a 'follow’ button in the browser,

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Join us on Twitter Spaces Friday 28th 9am (UK) & 6pm (Australia) to discuss all of the issues raised in this podcast.  We will be hosting a Twitter Spaces every Friday after the podcast. 


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 2021-05-28  1h18m
 
 
00:01  James
Welcome
00:01
to
00:01
Portland.
00:02
We're
00:02
sponsored
00:02
by
00:02
Buzzsprout
00:03
is
00:03
the
00:03
easiest
00:04
way
00:04
to
00:04
host,
00:04
promote
00:05
and
00:05
track
00:05
your
00:05
podcast.
00:07
And
00:07
your
00:07
first
00:08
90
00:08
days
00:09
are
00:09
free.
00:10
It's
00:10
may
00:10
the
00:10
27th,
00:11
2021
00:12
on
00:12
James
00:12
Crick
00:13
and
00:13
the
00:13
editor
00:13
of
00:14
news
00:14
here
00:14
in
00:15
Australia.
00:16
Okay.
00:16  Sam
And
00:17
officially
00:17
a
00:18
Australian
00:19
citizen,
00:20
James.
00:20  James
and
00:21
officially
00:21
on
00:21
Australian
00:22
citizen
00:22
as
00:22
well,
00:22
which
00:23
is
00:23
all
00:23
very
00:23
exciting.
00:24
Yes.
00:24
yes,
00:25
that
00:25
was
00:25
a
00:25
very
00:25
exciting
00:26
day
00:26
that
00:26
I
00:26
had
00:27
on
00:27
Monday.
00:28
And
00:28
who
00:28
are
00:28
you?
00:28  Sam
I
00:28
am
00:28
Sam
00:29
Sethi,
00:29
the
00:29
editor
00:30
of
00:30
Sam
00:30
Talks
00:30
Technology
00:31
here
00:32
in
00:32
the
00:32
UK.
00:32
And
00:33
finally,
00:33
we've
00:33
got
00:33
some
00:34
sun
00:34
after
00:35
the
00:35
wettest
00:35
April
00:36
ever.
00:36
So
00:37
all
00:37
I
00:37
can
00:37
say
00:38
is
00:38
start
00:38
the
00:38
hose
00:38
pipe
00:39
ban
00:39
and
00:40
the
00:40
moaning
00:40
Brits
00:41
that
00:41
it's
00:41
too
00:41
hot
00:42
now
00:42  Will
We'll
00:43
page
00:43
author
00:44
of
00:44
task
00:44
and
00:44
economics
00:45
eight
00:45
principles
00:46
in
00:46
pivoting
00:46
through
00:46
disruption.
00:47
And
00:47
I'll
00:48
be
00:48
on
00:48
the
00:48
show
00:48
later
00:49
on
00:49
to
00:49
talk
00:49
about
00:49
podcasts.
00:51  James
He
00:51
will
00:51
indeed,
00:52
along
00:52
with
00:52
Dave
00:53
Jones,
00:53
the
00:53
developer
00:54
of
00:54
podcast
00:55
index.
00:56
Portland's
00:56
a
00:56
weekly
00:57
podcast
00:57
where
00:57
Sam
00:58
and
00:58
I
00:58
delve
00:58
deeper
00:58
into
00:59
the
00:59
week's
00:59
podcast
01:00
news.
01:02  Sam
now
01:02
the
01:02
big
01:02
story
01:02
of
01:02
the
01:02
week
01:03
that
01:03
I
01:03
wanted
01:03
to
01:03
cover
01:04
eight
01:04
podcast
01:05
to
01:05
piracy
01:06
in
01:06
licensing.
01:07
James,
01:07
you
01:07
wrote
01:08
about
01:08
a
01:08
wonderful
01:10
podcast
01:10
called
01:11
finding
01:11
the
01:11
Tasha,
01:11
which
01:12
is
01:12
from
01:12
message
01:13
heard.
01:14
And
01:14
you
01:14
wrote
01:14
that
01:15
they
01:15
had
01:15
their
01:15
podcast
01:17
well
01:17
stolen
01:18
or
01:18
copied
01:19
and
01:19
syndicated.
01:20
What's
01:20
it
01:20
all
01:21
about
01:21
Jane?
01:21  James
so
01:21
this
01:22
was
01:22
happening
01:22
quite
01:23
a
01:23
lot.
01:23
Last
01:23
year,
01:24
anchor
01:24
was
01:25
being
01:25
used
01:25
to
01:26
essentially
01:26
copy
01:27
people's
01:28
plans,
01:28
casts,
01:28
and
01:28
then
01:29
the
01:29
pirate
01:29
would
01:30
add
01:30
on
01:30
there,
01:31
support
01:31
this
01:31
podcast
01:32
and
01:32
have
01:32
a
01:32
button
01:32
to
01:33
give
01:33
the
01:34
podcast
01:35
some
01:35
money
01:35
because
01:36
it
01:36
was
01:36
such
01:36
a
01:36
good
01:36
podcast,
01:37
except
01:37
all
01:37
they'd
01:38
done
01:38
is
01:38
they'd
01:38
stolen
01:38
the
01:39
audio
01:39
in
01:39
the
01:39
first
01:39
place.
01:40
and
01:40
so
01:40
that
01:41
was
01:41
happening
01:41
a
01:41
lot
01:41
last
01:42
year
01:42
and
01:42
cars
01:42
seemed
01:43
to
01:43
have.
01:44
Cut
01:44
down
01:44
on
01:44
that
01:45
they
01:45
seem
01:45
to
01:45
be
01:45
running
01:46
some
01:46
kind
01:47
of
01:47
automated
01:47
bot
01:48
that
01:48
is
01:48
at
01:48
least
01:48
checking
01:49
the
01:49
audio.
01:50
Is
01:50
not
01:50
the
01:51
same
01:51
as
01:51
audio,
01:52
which
01:52
is
01:52
already
01:52
in
01:52
the
01:52
Spotify
01:53
system.
01:53
which
01:54
kind
01:54
of
01:54
makes
01:54
sense.
01:55
The
01:55
weird
01:55
thing
01:56
about
01:56
finding
01:57
Natasha
01:58
is
01:58
that
01:59
what
01:59
they've
01:59
done
02:00
is
02:00
that
02:00
the
02:01
pirate
02:01
has
02:02
put
02:02
the
02:02
audio
02:03
up
02:03
on
02:03
anchor,
02:04
but
02:04
they
02:04
haven't
02:05
used
02:05
the
02:06
audio
02:06
artwork
02:07
nor
02:07
have
02:07
they
02:08
used
02:08
the
02:09
audio
02:09
in
02:09
its
02:09
entirety,
02:10
because
02:10
any
02:11
mention
02:11
of
02:11
message
02:12
heard,
02:12
which
02:12
is
02:12
the
02:12
company
02:13
that
02:13
made
02:14
it
02:14
they've
02:14
edited
02:15
out,
02:15
which
02:15
is
02:16
a
02:16
bit
02:16
weird.
02:16  Sam
I
02:17
thought
02:17
we
02:17
would
02:17
reach
02:18
out
02:18
and
02:19
actually
02:19
talk
02:19
to
02:19
Jake
02:20
Warren.
02:20
Who's
02:20
the
02:21
CEO
02:21
of
02:22
message
02:22
heard
02:23
and
02:23
ask
02:23
him
02:24
what
02:24
it's
02:24
all
02:24
about.
02:25
Jake.
02:25
Hello,
02:25
how
02:25
are
02:26
you?
02:26  Jake
Hi
02:27
Sam.
02:27
I'm
02:27
good.
02:27
Thank
02:28
you
02:28
so
02:28
much
02:28
for
02:29
having
02:29
me
02:29
on
02:29
again.
02:30  Sam
welcome
02:30
back
02:31
now.
02:31
Congratulations
02:32
on
02:32
the
02:32
successful
02:33
launch.
02:34
What
02:34
is
02:34
finding
02:35
Natasha
02:35
all
02:35
about?
02:36  Jake
it's
02:36
an
02:36
interesting
02:37
one
02:37
because
02:38
it's
02:38
something
02:38
which
02:39
is
02:39
incredibly
02:39
personal
02:40
to
02:40
me
02:40
because
02:40
it's
02:40
actually,
02:41
what
02:41
about
02:41
my
02:41
mum?
02:42
which
02:42
is,
02:43
I
02:43
guess
02:43
a
02:43
bit
02:43
bizarre
02:44
and
02:44
doesn't
02:44
follow
02:44
the
02:45
usual
02:45
pattern
02:45
of
02:46
the
02:46
kind
02:46
of
02:46
shows
02:46
that
02:46
we
02:46
make
02:46
a
02:47
mess
02:47
of
02:47
showed.
02:47
But
02:48
to
02:48
be
02:49
honest
02:49
with
02:49
you,
02:50
It
02:50
was
02:50
never
02:50
actually
02:51
intended
02:52
to
02:52
be
02:52
a
02:52
podcast.
02:53
And
02:54
it's
02:54
almost
02:55
a
02:55
bit
02:55
by
02:56
luck,
02:56
chance,
02:57
and
02:57
I
02:57
guess
02:58
the
02:58
sort
02:58
of
02:58
foresight
02:59
of
02:59
my
02:59
colleagues
03:00
that
03:00
it
03:00
actually
03:00
ended
03:00
up
03:01
being
03:01
one
03:01
because.
03:02
I
03:02
guess
03:02
to
03:02
give
03:02
you
03:02
the
03:03
kind
03:03
of
03:03
background
03:03
of
03:03
the
03:03
story
03:04
without
03:04
ruining
03:05
the
03:05
story.
03:05
So
03:05
if
03:05
anyone's
03:06
listening,
03:06
hasn't
03:06
heard
03:06
it.
03:07
I
03:07
can
03:07
go
03:07
away
03:07
and
03:07
listen
03:08
to
03:08
it
03:08
without
03:08
divulging
03:09
too
03:09
much
03:09
information.
03:10
But
03:11
essentially
03:12
my
03:12
mom
03:13
was
03:14
in
03:14
the
03:14
early
03:14
1970s,
03:15
when
03:15
she
03:15
was
03:15
a
03:15
teenager,
03:16
she
03:16
was.
03:17
I
03:17
guess
03:18
anointed
03:19
as
03:19
having
03:20
the
03:20
talent
03:21
to
03:21
potentially
03:21
be
03:22
one
03:22
of
03:22
the
03:22
world's
03:22
best
03:23
ballet
03:23
dancers.
03:24
now
03:24
obviously
03:24
this
03:24
is
03:25
a
03:25
period
03:25
of
03:25
time
03:26
where,
03:27
relations
03:27
between
03:28
the
03:28
east
03:28
and
03:28
the
03:28
west
03:28
Soviet
03:29
bloc
03:29
Soviet
03:29
union.
03:29
And
03:30
that
03:30
wasn't
03:30
particularly
03:31
good.
03:31
and
03:32
as
03:32
was
03:32
the
03:32
case
03:33
then,
03:33
which
03:33
is
03:33
very
03:33
much
03:33
still
03:34
the
03:34
case
03:34
now,
03:34
which
03:34
is,
03:35
if
03:35
he
03:35
wants
03:35
to
03:35
be
03:35
the
03:35
greatest
03:36
dancer
03:36
in
03:36
the
03:36
world,
03:37
that
03:37
is
03:37
the
03:38
crown
03:38
jewel
03:38
of
03:38
ballet,
03:39
it's
03:39
part
03:40
and
03:40
parcel
03:40
of
03:40
association
03:41
with
03:41
Russia.
03:41
it's
03:42
the
03:42
great
03:42
ballet
03:43
companies,
03:44
the
03:44
Bolshoi
03:45
and
03:45
the
03:45
Marine
03:45
ski
03:46
are
03:46
still
03:46
probably
03:47
faded
03:47
as
03:47
the
03:47
two
03:48
best
03:48
in
03:48
the
03:48
world.
03:49
And
03:49
my
03:49
mum
03:49
had
03:50
the
03:50
opportunity
03:50
to
03:51
be
03:51
the
03:51
first
03:51
Western
03:52
ballet
03:52
dancer.
03:53
To
03:54
be
03:54
deemed
03:54
good
03:54
enough
03:54
to
03:55
get
03:55
a
03:55
scholarship,
03:55
to
03:55
go
03:55
and
03:55
dance
03:56
in
03:56
the
03:56
Soviet
03:56
union
03:57
as
03:57
a
03:57
17
03:58
year
03:58
old,
03:58
1974.
03:59
So
03:59
that's
04:00
a
04:00
very
04:00
long
04:00
story
04:00
short.
04:01
I
04:01
think
04:01
she
04:02
was
04:02
probably
04:02
naive
04:03
to
04:03
be
04:04
polite
04:04
as
04:04
to
04:05
the
04:05
kind
04:05
of
04:05
the
04:05
circumstances
04:06
of
04:06
what
04:06
that
04:06
would
04:06
mean
04:07
going,
04:07
unfortunately
04:08
for
04:08
her,
04:08
she
04:09
went
04:09
at
04:09
a
04:09
time
04:09
as
04:09
well
04:10
after
04:10
a
04:10
few
04:11
prominent
04:11
defections
04:12
that
04:12
happened
04:12
to
04:12
the
04:13
west.
04:13
Mainly
04:14
Mikayla
04:14
and
04:15
effectively
04:15
she
04:15
was
04:15
shunned,
04:16
not
04:16
wanted
04:17
fared
04:17
as
04:17
a
04:17
westerner
04:19
and
04:19
left
04:19
their
04:19
home
04:19
devices.
04:20
she
04:21
ended
04:21
up
04:22
getting
04:22
very
04:22
sick
04:23
for
04:23
drinking,
04:23
dirty
04:24
water
04:24
and
04:24
contracting
04:25
hepatitis,
04:26
and
04:26
was
04:26
also
04:26
suffering
04:27
from
04:27
malnutrition.
04:28
She
04:28
was
04:28
effectively
04:29
left
04:29
the
04:29
die
04:29
in
04:30
an
04:30
isolation
04:30
ward.
04:31
and
04:31
that
04:31
probably
04:31
would
04:32
have
04:32
been
04:32
where
04:32
she
04:32
had
04:32
died.
04:33
If
04:33
it
04:33
wasn't
04:33
for
04:33
the
04:33
intervention
04:34
of
04:35
one
04:35
Russian
04:36
teenager.
04:37
A
04:37
girl
04:37
called
04:37
Natasha,
04:38
who
04:38
was
04:38
the
04:38
only
04:38
person
04:39
that
04:39
showed
04:39
her
04:39
any
04:39
kindness
04:40
that
04:40
actually
04:41
broke
04:41
into
04:41
the
04:41
facility,
04:42
managed
04:42
to
04:43
get
04:43
her
04:43
out
04:44
and
04:45
alert
04:45
the
04:45
British
04:45
authorities
04:46
and
04:47
effectively,
04:47
get
04:48
her
04:48
home.
04:49
Now,
04:49
the
04:49
last
04:50
time
04:50
my
04:50
mum
04:51
saw
04:51
the
04:51
Tasha
04:52
or
04:53
the
04:53
last
04:53
time
04:54
she
04:54
had
04:54
any
04:55
interaction
04:55
with
04:55
her
04:55
was
04:55
on
04:56
a
04:56
runway,
04:56
almost
04:57
50
04:57
years
04:57
ago
04:57
in
04:57
1974.
04:58
And
04:58
my
04:59
mum
04:59
has
04:59
Been
04:59
searching
05:00
for
05:00
her
05:00
ever
05:00
since
05:01
in
05:01
fits
05:01
and
05:02
bursts,
05:02
but
05:02
had
05:03
also
05:03
repressed
05:03
this
05:04
for
05:04
a
05:04
very
05:04
long
05:04
time.
05:05
So
05:05
I
05:05
actually
05:05
only
05:06
found
05:06
out
05:06
about
05:06
this
05:06
story
05:07
in
05:07
its
05:08
extent,
05:09
a
05:09
couple
05:09
of
05:09
years
05:09
ago,
05:10
maybe
05:10
two
05:10
years
05:10
ago.
05:11
because
05:12
it
05:12
was
05:12
all
05:12
a
05:12
bit
05:12
too
05:12
painful.
05:13
I
05:13
think
05:13
my
05:13
mum
05:13
had
05:13
blocked
05:14
it
05:14
out.
05:14
she
05:14
eventually
05:15
did
05:15
reveal
05:15
the
05:16
story
05:16
to
05:16
me
05:16
and
05:16
it
05:16
was
05:17
hovering
05:17
in
05:17
the
05:17
back
05:17
of
05:17
my
05:18
mind.
05:18
I
05:18
need
05:18
to
05:18
try
05:18
and
05:18
find
05:19
this
05:19
woman
05:20
or
05:20
at
05:20
least
05:20
find
05:20
out
05:21
what
05:21
happened
05:21
to
05:21
her.
05:22
for
05:22
the
05:22
sake
05:22
of
05:22
my
05:22
mom.
05:23
and
05:24
I
05:24
had
05:24
always
05:24
intended
05:25
to
05:26
obviously
05:26
running
05:26
a
05:26
business
05:27
can
05:27
be
05:28
pretty
05:28
time
05:28
consuming,
05:29
but
05:29
when
05:30
lockdown
05:31
one
05:31
happened,
05:32
I
05:32
went
05:32
back
05:33
to
05:33
stay
05:33
with
05:33
my
05:33
mum
05:33
for
05:34
a
05:34
few
05:34
months.
05:34
she
05:35
does
05:35
on
05:35
her
05:35
own
05:35
sort
05:35
of
05:36
fruit
05:36
of
05:36
the
05:36
worst
05:36
of
05:36
it.
05:37
And
05:37
we
05:37
were
05:37
talking
05:38
about
05:38
it
05:38
a
05:38
lot.
05:38
And
05:38
that
05:39
was
05:39
where
05:39
I
05:39
made
05:39
the
05:39
decision
05:40
that
05:40
actually,
05:40
that
05:40
was
05:41
a
05:41
lot
05:41
of
05:41
uncertainty
05:42
with
05:42
everything
05:42
in
05:42
the
05:42
world.
05:43
now
05:43
that
05:43
felt
05:43
like
05:43
the
05:43
right
05:44
opportunity
05:44
and
05:44
the
05:44
right
05:45
time
05:45
to
05:45
try
05:45
and
05:45
find
05:46
this
05:46
word.
05:46
And
05:46
I
05:46
won't
05:47
ruin
05:47
what
05:47
happens,
05:47
but.
05:49
The
05:49
podcast
05:50
affects.
05:50
We
05:50
documents
05:51
that
05:51
experience
05:51
of
05:51
trying
05:51
to
05:52
find
05:52
the
05:52
woman
05:52
that
05:52
saved
05:53
my
05:53
mum,
05:53
half
05:53
the
05:54
world
05:54
away,
05:54
half
05:54
a
05:54
century
05:55
ago.
05:55
I
05:55
never
05:55
intended
05:56
for
05:56
it
05:56
to
05:56
be
05:56
a
05:56
podcast,
05:57
but
05:57
talking
05:57
to
05:58
my
05:58
colleagues
05:58
as
05:58
I
05:58
did
05:59
on
05:59
a
05:59
daily
05:59
basis,
06:00
I
06:00
think
06:00
it
06:00
was
06:00
probably
06:01
Sandra
06:01
Ferrari
06:02
and
06:02
they
06:02
had
06:02
a
06:02
production
06:02
and
06:02
said,
06:03
what?
06:03
This
06:03
is
06:03
a
06:03
pretty
06:04
good
06:04
story.
06:04
We
06:05
should
06:05
start
06:05
recording
06:06
this,
06:06
just
06:06
in
06:06
case.
06:07
And
06:07
thank
06:08
goodness
06:08
we
06:08
did
06:08
make
06:09
that
06:09
decision
06:09
because.
06:10
The
06:10
response
06:11
to
06:11
the
06:11
show
06:11
has
06:11
been
06:13
overwhelming.
06:13
we're
06:14
lucky
06:14
enough
06:14
to
06:14
make
06:14
some
06:14
pretty
06:15
great
06:15
shows
06:15
that
06:15
have
06:15
had
06:15
some
06:15
fantastic
06:16
responses,
06:17
but
06:17
doing
06:18
something
06:18
which
06:18
felt
06:19
a
06:19
bit
06:19
of
06:19
a
06:19
personal
06:19
pet
06:20
project
06:20
has
06:20
really
06:21
snowballed
06:21
into
06:21
something
06:22
which,
06:22
the
06:22
emails
06:23
and
06:23
the
06:23
messages
06:23
of
06:24
people
06:24
saying
06:24
how
06:25
lovely
06:25
they
06:25
thought
06:26
it
06:26
was.
06:26
and
06:26
just
06:26
the
06:26
kind
06:27
response
06:27
to
06:27
that,
06:27
not
06:28
so
06:28
much
06:28
even
06:28
for
06:28
me
06:29
or
06:29
message
06:29
up,
06:29
but
06:29
actually
06:30
for
06:30
my
06:30
mum,
06:30
I
06:30
think
06:31
is.
06:31
it
06:31
restores
06:32
your
06:32
faith
06:32
a
06:32
little
06:32
bit
06:32
in
06:32
the
06:32
world.
06:33  Sam
I
06:33
can
06:34
see
06:34
this
06:34
being
06:34
a
06:34
film.
06:35
it's
06:35
got
06:35
a
06:35
film
06:35
written
06:36
all
06:36
over
06:36
it
06:36
really
06:38  Jake
we're
06:38
very
06:38
lucky
06:38
because
06:39
obviously
06:39
we
06:39
are.
06:40
Signed
06:40
by
06:41
Curtis
06:41
brown,
06:41
one
06:41
of
06:41
those
06:42
great
06:42
mystery
06:42
and
06:42
talent
06:43
agents.
06:43
and
06:43
this
06:43
has
06:43
actually
06:44
presented
06:44
a
06:44
really
06:44
interesting
06:45
opportunity
06:45
where
06:46
we've
06:46
had
06:46
expressed
06:46
interest
06:47
in
06:47
books
06:48
and
06:48
TV
06:48
and
06:49
drama
06:49
adaptations,
06:50
and
06:50
all
06:50
that
06:50
good
06:51
stuff,
06:51
which,
06:52
was
06:52
beyond
06:52
my
06:52
wildest
06:53
dreams
06:53
when
06:53
I
06:54
started
06:54
this,
06:54
so
06:55
it's
06:55
really
06:56
exciting.
06:56
it
06:56
feels
06:57
something.
06:58
Mammoth
06:59
could
06:59
come
06:59
out
06:59
of
06:59
this,
07:00
which
07:00
was
07:00
never
07:01
my
07:01
intention,
07:01
but
07:01
there's
07:01
a
07:02
lovely
07:02
bonus.
07:03
we're
07:03
not
07:03
going
07:03
to
07:03
say
07:03
no.
07:04  Sam
And
07:04
your
07:05
mother
07:05
will
07:05
be
07:05
very
07:05
proud
07:06
of
07:06
you.
07:06
Now,
07:06
the
07:07
one
07:08
challenge
07:08
that's
07:08
come
07:09
about,
07:09
I
07:09
understand
07:10
is
07:10
that
07:11
some
07:11
buddy's
07:12
taken
07:12
your
07:13
lovely
07:13
podcast
07:14
and
07:15
loaded
07:15
it
07:15
up
07:16
on
07:16
tanker.
07:17
Change
07:17
the
07:17
cover
07:18
off
07:18
book
07:18
and
07:19
plagiarized
07:20
it
07:20
in
07:20
effect
07:20
a
07:20
bit
07:21
of
07:21
podcast.
07:21
Piracy
07:22
and
07:22
I'll
07:23
pushing
07:23
it
07:23
out
07:23
to
07:24
the
07:24
end
07:24
points
07:24
of,
07:25
apple,
07:25
Spotify,
07:26
Google,
07:26
et
07:26
cetera
07:27
and
07:28
pushing
07:28
it
07:28
off
07:28
as
07:28
their
07:29
own
07:29
How
07:30
did
07:30
you
07:30
get
07:30
alerted
07:30
to
07:31
that?
07:31
First
07:31
of
07:31
all,
07:32
and
07:32
what's
07:32
the
07:32
consequences.
07:33  Jake
Okay.
07:34
so
07:34
it
07:34
was
07:35
actually
07:35
worse
07:35
than
07:35
that,
07:36
because
07:37
that
07:37
idea
07:37
of
07:37
Ripping
07:38
audio
07:38
and
07:38
re-uploading,
07:39
it
07:40
is
07:41
it's
07:41
not
07:41
particularly
07:41
new
07:42
or
07:42
novel,
07:42
that's
07:42
happened
07:43
all
07:43
the
07:43
time.
07:43
Usually
07:44
with,
07:44
probably
07:44
the
07:45
biggest
07:45
shows
07:45
you
07:45
don't
07:46
think
07:46
about
07:46
the
07:46
Joe
07:47
Rogan's
07:47
of
07:47
this
07:47
world,
07:48
having
07:48
that
07:48
has,
07:48
shows
07:49
put
07:49
onto
07:49
YouTube
07:49
and
07:49
stuff,
07:50
but
07:50
actually
07:50
they
07:50
had
07:50
actually
07:51
manipulated
07:52
the
07:52
audio
07:53
itself
07:53
to
07:53
actually
07:54
add
07:54
it
07:54
and
07:54
remove
07:55
any
07:55
mention
07:55
of
07:55
message.
07:56
Heard
07:56
the
07:56
company
07:57
that
07:57
made
07:58
the
07:58
show,
07:58
which
07:58
was
07:58
particularly
07:59
bizarre
07:59
because
07:59
obviously
08:00
it's
08:00
my
08:00
voice
08:00
in
08:00
the
08:01
show.
08:01
And
08:01
Massachusetts,
08:02
is
08:02
the
08:02
business
08:02
I
08:02
run,
08:03
but.
08:03
it
08:03
was
08:04
one
08:04
step
08:04
further
08:05
because
08:05
it
08:05
wasn't
08:05
just
08:05
plagiarized
08:06
It
08:06
was
08:06
actually
08:06
manipulation
08:07
of
08:07
it.
08:08
I
08:08
guess
08:08
the
08:08
way
08:08
that
08:08
we
08:08
found
08:09
it
08:09
was
08:10
really
08:10
just
08:10
through
08:11
good
08:11
luck
08:12
because
08:13
with
08:13
my
08:13
team
08:14
and
08:14
I
08:14
think
08:14
it
08:14
was
08:14
my
08:14
colleague,
08:15
Emily,
08:15
who
08:15
leads
08:16
on
08:16
more
08:16
of
08:16
the
08:16
sort
08:16
of
08:16
marketing
08:17
and
08:17
PR
08:17
side
08:18
of
08:18
things
08:18
with
08:18
us.
08:19
Typing
08:20
it
08:20
into
08:20
the
08:20
usual
08:21
places
08:22
that
08:22
you
08:22
would
08:22
imagine.
08:22
And
08:23
suddenly
08:23
there
08:23
was
08:23
another
08:24
show
08:24
called
08:24
finding
08:24
Natasha,
08:25
which
08:25
had
08:25
the
08:25
exact
08:26
same
08:26
description
08:27
and
08:27
slightly
08:27
different
08:27
artwork.
08:28
And
08:28
we're
08:28
thinking,
08:28
hang
08:28
on
08:29
a
08:29
minute,
08:29
here
08:29
that's
08:30
ours.
08:30
And
08:30
someone
08:31
is
08:31
gone
08:31
to
08:31
these
08:31
extreme
08:32
blanks
08:32
to
08:32
try
08:32
and
08:33
make
08:33
it
08:33
theirs.
08:34
but
08:34
that's
08:34
part
08:34
of
08:35
the
08:35
issue
08:35
when
08:35
it
08:35
comes
08:36
to
08:36
music
08:37
in
08:37
particular.
08:38
There
08:38
is
08:38
all
08:39
this
08:39
clever
08:39
software,
08:40
which
08:40
is
08:40
able
08:40
to
08:40
detect
08:41
when
08:41
copyrights
08:42
is
08:42
being
08:42
infringed.
08:43
Now
08:44
it
08:44
may
08:44
exist
08:44
for
08:45
the
08:45
podcast.
08:45
And
08:45
I
08:46
certainly
08:46
don't
08:46
know
08:46
about
08:47
it
08:47
if
08:47
it
08:47
does.
08:48
So
08:48
really
08:48
it's
08:49
a
08:49
manual
08:50
job,
08:50
isn't
08:50
it
08:50
to
08:50
scour
08:51
the
08:51
internet
08:52
to
08:52
use
08:52
that
08:52
phrase
08:53
wherever
08:53
you
08:53
get
08:53
yours,
08:54
to
08:54
look
08:54
at
08:54
all
08:54
these
08:54
places
08:55
to
08:55
see
08:55
if
08:55
is
08:55
anyone
08:56
actually
08:56
trying
08:56
to
08:57
steal
08:57
or
08:57
repurpose
08:58
something
08:59
which
08:59
we
08:59
own.
09:00  Sam
So
09:00
what's
09:01
the
09:01
downside.
09:02
are
09:02
you
09:02
charging
09:03
a
09:03
subscription
09:04
for
09:04
finding
09:05
an
09:05
attach
09:05
or
09:05
is
09:06
it
09:06
free
09:06
on
09:07
various
09:07
sites?
09:08
So
09:08
that's
09:08
my
09:09
first
09:09
question.
09:09
Are
09:09
you
09:09
charging
09:10
for
09:10
it?
09:10  Jake
with
09:10
this
09:11
particular
09:11
show
09:11
funding,
09:11
Natasha,
09:12
we're
09:12
not
09:13
I
09:13
think.
09:13
part
09:14
of
09:14
the
09:14
reason
09:14
is
09:14
that,
09:15
we
09:15
don't
09:15
put
09:15
everything
09:16
that
09:16
we
09:16
do
09:16
behind
09:16
a
09:17
paywall.
09:17
In
09:17
fact,
09:17
we've
09:17
not
09:18
done
09:18
anything
09:18
by
09:18
the
09:18
payroll
09:19
to
09:19
date.
09:19
of
09:19
course
09:20
we
09:20
do
09:20
monetize
09:21
some
09:21
programming.
09:22
I
09:22
think
09:22
this
09:22
goes
09:23
back
09:23
to
09:23
the
09:23
fact
09:23
that,
09:24
like
09:24
I
09:24
said,
09:25
the
09:25
reality
09:25
is
09:26
that,
09:26
although
09:26
this
09:26
is.
09:27
Been
09:27
received
09:27
as
09:28
a
09:28
very
09:28
successful
09:28
podcast.
09:29
It
09:29
didn't
09:29
intend
09:29
to
09:30
be,
09:30
and,
09:31
exploiting
09:31
my
09:31
mom's
09:32
trauma
09:32
for
09:32
content
09:33
is
09:33
an
09:33
accusation
09:34
you
09:34
could
09:34
make
09:34
for
09:35
doing
09:35
this.
09:35
I
09:35
don't
09:35
think
09:35
she
09:36
feels
09:36
that
09:36
way.
09:36
And
09:36
I
09:36
think
09:36
she's
09:37
very
09:37
happy
09:37
with
09:37
it,
09:37
but
09:38
it
09:38
felt
09:38
a
09:38
little
09:38
on
09:39
the
09:39
nose
09:39
to
09:39
really
09:40
start
09:40
monetizing
09:40
this.
09:41
This
09:41
was
09:41
more
09:41
of
09:41
something
09:42
that
09:42
was
09:42
just,
09:42
a
09:42
proud
09:43
editorial
09:43
piece
09:44
that
09:44
we're
09:44
very
09:44
happy
09:45
to
09:45
make
09:45
a
09:45
message
09:46
out.
09:46
And
09:46
we
09:46
wanted
09:47
as
09:47
many
09:47
people
09:47
to
09:47
enjoy
09:48
it
09:48
for
09:48
free
09:48
as
09:48
possible.
09:49
it's
09:49
not
09:49
something
09:50
that
09:50
was,
09:50
Katanning
09:51
our
09:51
ability
09:51
to
09:51
make
09:52
money.
09:52
But
09:52
in
09:52
theory,
09:53
there
09:53
was
09:53
nothing
09:53
to
09:54
stop
09:54
that
09:54
person
09:54
that
09:55
I've
09:55
loaded
09:55
our
09:55
anchor,
09:55
then
09:56
in
09:56
turn,
09:56
monetizing
09:57
it
09:57
themselves.
09:58  Sam
it
09:58
will,
09:58
of
09:58
course
09:59
affect
09:59
your
09:59
traffic
10:00
because
10:00
they're
10:00
taking
10:00
some
10:00
of
10:00
your
10:00
traffic
10:01
away
10:01
now.
10:02
this
10:02
week
10:02
apple
10:03
announced
10:04
and
10:04
has
10:04
made
10:04
available
10:05
iOS
10:05
14.6
10:06
with
10:06
subscriptions.
10:07
And
10:08
so
10:08
you
10:08
can
10:08
start
10:09
to
10:09
see
10:09
more
10:10
and
10:10
more
10:10
people
10:10
putting
10:11
subscriptions
10:12
to
10:12
this.
10:12
I
10:12
could
10:12
imagine,
10:13
actually,
10:13
in
10:13
a
10:13
couple
10:13
of
10:13
weeks
10:14
time
10:14
had
10:14
you.
10:15
Gross
10:15
out
10:15
finding
10:16
a
10:16
Tashi.
10:16
You
10:16
might've
10:16
said,
10:17
okay,
10:17
we're
10:17
going
10:17
to
10:17
charge
10:18
one
10:18
99
10:19
a
10:19
subscription,
10:19
and
10:20
I
10:20
can
10:20
see
10:20
more
10:21
piracy,
10:21
therefore,
10:22
a
10:22
caring
10:22
as
10:22
people
10:22
go,
10:23
oh
10:23
look,
10:23
we
10:23
just
10:24
rip
10:24
that
10:24
off.
10:24
Put
10:24
it
10:24
in
10:25
there,
10:25
throw
10:25
it
10:25
in
10:25
with
10:25
a
10:25
subscription.
10:26
If
10:26
anyone
10:26
buys
10:27
it,
10:27
we'll
10:27
take
10:27
some
10:27
money.
10:28
The
10:28
problem
10:29
I
10:29
spoke
10:29
to
10:30
a
10:31
will
10:31
page
10:31
who
10:32
wrote
10:32
a
10:32
book
10:32
called
10:33
tiles
10:33
and
10:33
economics.
10:33
He's
10:34
the
10:34
ex
10:35
Spotify,
10:36
chief
10:36
economist.
10:37
About
10:37
funding,
10:38
the
10:38
Tasha
10:38
about
10:39
this
10:39
very
10:39
problem.
10:40
And
10:41
he
10:41
was
10:41
saying
10:42
that
10:42
under
10:42
safe
10:43
Harbor
10:43
rules,
10:44
a
10:44
bit
10:44
like
10:44
YouTube,
10:45
that
10:46
Spotify,
10:46
an
10:46
anchor
10:47
can
10:47
wash
10:47
their
10:47
hands
10:48
off
10:48
the
10:48
piracy
10:49
issue,
10:50
but
10:50
he
10:50
did
10:51
point
10:51
out
10:51
that
10:51
soon
10:52
as
10:52
it
10:52
becomes
10:52
a
10:52
payment.
10:54
So
10:54
if
10:54
there
10:54
was
10:54
a
10:54
subscription
10:55
payment
10:55
to
10:56
it,
10:56
Then
10:56
they're
10:57
taking
10:57
a
10:57
percentage
10:58
of
10:58
that
10:58
payment
10:59
and
10:59
suddenly
10:59
they
11:00
are
11:00
complicit
11:01
with
11:02
theft
11:03
in
11:03
effect.
11:03
what
11:04
is
11:04
anchor
11:04
and
11:04
Spotify
11:05
said
11:05
to
11:05
you,
11:06
if
11:06
anything,
11:06
will
11:06
they
11:07
take
11:07
down
11:07
this
11:07
other
11:08
podcast
11:08
or
11:08
will
11:08
they
11:09
just
11:09
going
11:09
not
11:09
our
11:09
problem,
11:10  Jake
I'm
11:10
glad
11:11
to
11:11
say
11:11
that
11:11
it
11:12
has
11:12
been
11:12
taken
11:12
down
11:13
now
11:13
after
11:14
we
11:14
got
11:14
in
11:14
touch,
11:15
but
11:15
only
11:16
to
11:16
the
11:16
extent
11:17
of
11:17
whilst
11:17
they
11:17
in
11:18
their
11:18
words,
11:18
Receive
11:18
the
11:19
complaint
11:19
on,
11:20
infringing,
11:20
intellectual
11:21
property
11:21
rights
11:21
and
11:22
there's
11:22
under
11:22
investigation.
11:23
They
11:23
haven't
11:24
determined
11:25
that.
11:26
Okay.
11:26
This
11:27
shouldn't
11:27
have
11:27
ever
11:27
happened.
11:28
But
11:28
what
11:28
they
11:28
seem
11:29
to
11:29
do
11:29
is
11:29
that
11:29
was
11:30
you
11:30
lodge
11:30
a
11:30
complaint.
11:31
They
11:31
will
11:31
take
11:32
it
11:32
down
11:32
to
11:32
investigate
11:33
what's
11:33
going
11:33
on.
11:34
So
11:34
you'd
11:34
hope
11:35
that
11:35
common
11:35
sense
11:35
would
11:35
prevail
11:36
and
11:36
they
11:36
wouldn't
11:36
allow
11:36
it
11:37
back
11:37
up.
11:37
Anytime
11:37
soon,
11:38
we
11:38
haven't
11:38
got
11:39
that
11:39
confirmation
11:39
yet,
11:40
but
11:40
at
11:40
least
11:40
they
11:40
did
11:40
act
11:41
fairly
11:41
quickly
11:41
to
11:42
take
11:42
it
11:42
down
11:42
whilst
11:43
they
11:43
looked
11:43
into
11:43
that.
11:44
it's
11:44
an
11:44
interesting
11:44
one
11:44
because.
11:45
you've
11:45
got
11:45
the
11:46
person,
11:46
that's
11:46
put
11:46
it
11:47
up
11:48
who
11:48
apparently
11:48
is
11:48
a
11:48
wrestler.
11:50
So
11:50
I
11:50
don't
11:50
know
11:50
what
11:50
to
11:50
make
11:51
of
11:51
that.
11:51
maybe
11:51
it's
11:51
a
11:51
podcast,
11:52
isn't
11:52
it
11:52
finding
11:53
the
11:53
person
11:53
that
11:53
tried
11:53
to
11:54
still
11:54
finding
11:54
the
11:54
Tasha,
11:55
so
11:55
they've
11:56
acted
11:56
quickly.
11:57
obviously
11:57
it's
11:57
not
11:58
affecting
11:58
us
11:58
from
11:58
a
11:58
monetization
11:59
perspective,
12:00
but
12:00
you're
12:01
right.
12:01
That
12:01
kind
12:02
of,
12:02
I
12:02
think
12:03
the
12:03
term
12:03
you
12:03
used
12:04
was
12:04
safe
12:04
harboring
12:05
that,
12:05
that
12:05
goes
12:06
out
12:06
the
12:06
window
12:06
when
12:06
there's
12:06
money
12:07
involved
12:07
and
12:07
rightly
12:08  Sam
And
12:08
I
12:08
think
12:08
again,
12:09
one
12:09
of
12:09
the
12:10
questions
12:10
is
12:10
who's
12:11
at
12:11
fault
12:12
here
12:12
should
12:13
anchor
12:13
Buzzsprout
12:14
lip-sync
12:15
any
12:15
of
12:15
the
12:15
podcast
12:16
hosts
12:16
be
12:17
policing
12:18
podcasting
12:19
in
12:19
the
12:20
first
12:20
place
12:20
to
12:20
check,
12:21
this
12:21
is
12:21
who