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episode 21: Antique Bottle Collecting - I'm Digging Your Dump! [transcript]



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 2021-05-30  41m
 
 
00:01  intro
You're listening to a mid
00:01
life less ordinary, the weekly
00:05
podcast giving you the lowdown
00:05
on becoming a cool older dude.
00:11
The good times are not afraid of
00:11
memory. It's time to start
00:15
loving them again. And here are
00:15
your hosts, Wayne and Trev.
00:23  Wayne
Hello, and welcome to a
00:23
mid life less ordinary, and this
00:26
episode is entitled antique
00:26
bottle collecting. I'm digging
00:30
your dump. My name is Wayne and
00:30
trebs. Here also 10 green
00:35
bottles hiding in your dump. No,
00:35
no, no, no, no. Trev we've given
00:39
up on the musical intro. We've
00:39
gone back to our old intro.
00:43
Well, what do you mean, I don't
00:43
get it. Well, we did do we did
00:46
do that on one episode. And I
00:46
know we were talking. Yeah, I've
00:49  Trev
rehearsed that all week.
00:49
money on a vocal train for that.
00:55  Wayne
Do you want to do like a
00:55
wind to shine guy? Oh my god.
00:59
Yes. Yeah, I'm not even going to
00:59
where this conversation is going
01:03
this early in the episode, but
01:03
maybe the toiler Yeah, I knew
01:06
that was going there. Next we're
01:06
gonna hear about cottages and
01:08
things. I just can't even go
01:08
there. Right, thanks. Sorry,
01:11
Trev that you put in all that
01:11
practice. But we'll give you an
01:14
episode where you can sing a
01:14
million uses of exactly. This
01:19
episode, as we say is all about
01:19
antique bottle collecting. We
01:23
have an expert Paul Cunningham,
01:23
who's going to tell us all about
01:26
the hobby. And you'll find out
01:26
why we've referenced the
01:28
subtitle. I'm digging your dump.
01:28
In during the during the
01:33
interview, I'm sure Trev What do
01:33
you know about bottle
01:35
collecting? Nothing. I'm not a
01:35
thief. Thanks for now to go back
01:40
to sleep. But if you never saw
01:40
when he was a kid used to go
01:45
over the fields and sort of
01:45
accidentally come across things.
01:49  Trev
The closest I've ever got
01:49
was collecting milk balls with
01:56
adverts or when I was a kid. Oh,
01:56
okay. So I think my brother
02:00
still got the so I don't know if
02:00
there weren't very many. If
02:02
anybody phones you can get
02:02
contact us on there and say
02:06
like, yeah, there was I mean, I
02:06
don't know. Well, they used to
02:09
have adverts on cornflakes and
02:09
stuff. Oh, yeah. What? Do you
02:14
remember that
02:14  Wayne
vintage? No, I don't
02:14
actually know.
02:16  Trev
All right. Yeah, they did.
02:16
Yeah, they did. You look them
02:18
up. You can look them up. They
02:18
are Yeah. But this is obviously
02:21
these a little bit more antique
02:21
and a little bit more special
02:24
with a monomial boil. Yeah.
02:26  Wayne
say I've accidentally
02:26
come across some of these
02:28
bottles when I've been when I
02:28
was a kid. I just used to go. I
02:31
mean, these places have been
02:31
built over in there. But when we
02:34
used to go Yeah. Used to be lots
02:34
of football grounds. I think I
02:36
remember going over the back
02:36
where you did when he was a kid
02:39
just just climbing trees and you
02:39
had no toys had no home? I had
02:44
no to it. Yeah, I was like
02:44
sticker dump. Yeah, I'll just
02:46
yeah, either. So finding glass
02:46
was my own wine and play with
02:50
the mud. And play with the mark
02:50
is that so you're gonna get
02:54
plenty of people would agree
02:54
with me that that was better
02:56
times and really locked away
02:56
now, I'm sure. But yeah, I
03:01
remember finding some sort of
03:01
antique second world war but was
03:04
at the time I remember
03:04
reference. And obviously we
03:05
didn't have the internet in
03:05
these days. So hopefully, Paul
03:09
can teach us a bit about what
03:09
it's all about what what's good
03:12
about it and frustrating. If
03:12
there's any sort of Holy Grail
03:16
at all of the battle. I'm
03:16
looking
03:19  Trev
forward to providing
03:19
something about this because
03:21
he's, I don't know anything
03:21
about it at all. We got a lot of
03:24
bold being on here. I'll tell
03:24
you that.
03:27  Wayne
So without any further
03:27
ado, let's go over to Paul, and
03:31
welcome to the show. So thank
03:31
you for joining us today, Paul.
03:35
It's really nice to have you on
03:35
and bottle collecting. I believe
03:40
it's called is that is it read
03:40
actual other kind of scientific
03:43
name for it? Oh,
03:45  Paul
well, thanks for inviting
03:45
me first of all. Yeah, I mean,
03:49
it's bottle collecting really.
03:49
which involves eager them up. So
03:54
I suppose it gets called bottle
03:54
digging bottle collecting. I
03:59
mean, I do collect bottles that
03:59
I don't dig. You know, you can
04:04
buy bottles on eBay on an
04:04
auction sites and you swap with
04:08
other collectors as well. But
04:08
the real fun of me is digging
04:11
them up.
04:12  Wayne
Did you add your juice?
04:12
How did you start makes a
04:15
nickel? I mean, where do you add
04:15
somebody give you a bottle? Did
04:17
you find one or did you buy just
04:17
fell
04:19  Unknown
down a hole? Well, I
04:19
think it goes back a long way. I
04:28
mean
04:31  Paul
it in a sort of late 70s,
04:31
early 80s. It was a bit of a
04:35
craze. That was quite a big
04:35
hobby. And I can't remember how,
04:41
how I really got involved. I
04:41
think I might have seen i think
04:44
i think i had a friend's brother
04:44
who was a collector and I just
04:48
got interested in them. So I did
04:48
I first started bald again when
04:51
I was probably 1516 perhaps
04:51
younger 1415 and didn't really
04:59
carry on for that. Long and
04:59
probably probably stopped in the
05:01
early 80s. And it's because of
05:01
the lockdown and having no work,
05:07
rekindled my interest in it and
05:07
I started going out exploring
05:11
again. So for the last year,
05:11
we've been actively digging
05:15
again, which has been great.
05:18  Trev
We've actually got a mid
05:18
lifeless ordering first here,
05:21
Paul. I've actually done a bit
05:21
of research. Wow. I've actually
05:27
done a little bit of research,
05:27
because I couldn't trust trust
05:31
wine to do it. Ah, none of this
05:31
stuff wine comes out with online
05:35
and that's not really relevant
05:35
to be honest. I've read the way
05:41
they turned me as dumped
05:41
digging. Is that a term that's
05:45
used?
05:46  Paul
Well, it is but is really
05:46
a term that Americans use is
05:51
awful digging bolt off and
05:51
collecting is well wide. mainly
05:56
in the colonial countries. In
05:56
Australia, yeah. America, of
06:01
course. and South Africa. So
06:01
it's a kind of an American ism.
06:06
Whereas, like a war soccer, you
06:06
know,
06:09  Trev
I can't understand. Yeah,
06:09
so there's there's nothing over
06:13
here. Yeah, cuz really, if you
06:13
call it a dump, dig in. It's not
06:16
got any reference to boulders
06:16
it?
06:19  Paul
No, you're just digging.
06:23  Wayne
I'd say whines a dump
06:23
digger. I was gonna be nice
06:28
today.
06:33  Trev
Yeah, that you wouldn't
06:33
you wouldn't think that there's
06:35
not no reference to bald at all,
06:35
is there so you wouldn't know
06:39
what a bald collector is from
06:39
that term dump digging? He
06:44
really wouldn't
06:45  Paul
know not necessarily know.
06:45
I mean, I mean, dumps are full
06:48
of interesting things apart from
06:48
bottles to kind of study of
06:51
social history really, of this
06:51
age, that you're digging, you
06:55
know, the bottles of water, the
06:55
the dumpster, you're digging,
06:58
you're discovering about
06:58
people's lives from what they
07:00
used. I mean, it's not uncommon.
07:00
You dig up lots of things apart
07:04
from bottoms, like old shoes,
07:04
and children's toys, play pipes,
07:09
all sorts of stuff that
07:09
Victorians and their audience
07:12
would use in their daily lives,
07:12
just anything really, like they
07:15
would have thrown in their bin
07:15
just like we do today. You know,
07:18
if you look in your bin in the
07:18
kitchen, you chuck everything in
07:21
there. Don't worry so much.
07:21
Well, but yeah, so anything that
07:25
went in the bin ended up in the
07:25
dump,
07:27  Wayne
so that there was
07:27
obviously no recycling in
07:30
Victorian times, I'm guessing
07:30
No, there were all kinds of
07:33
handmade as well, Paul, when
07:33
they so he's got a work going
07:35
into these bottles, and his
07:35
people just fry them into the
07:38
local tip kind of thing.
07:40  Paul
Well, yeah, I mean,
07:40
bottles were a very expensive
07:43
thing for the Brewers and the
07:43
manufacturers to purchase
07:47
probably the most expensive
07:47
thing. So most of them were had
07:52
returns on them, which is
07:52
strange, because they ended up
07:54
in the dump. But people
07:54
obviously couldn't be bothered
07:57
to get there. You know, a call
07:57
to de return is used. I don't
08:01
know if you remember but years
08:01
back, we used to go around to
08:05
the park and collect our wine
08:05
bottles because yeah, two and a
08:10
half cents or something and go
08:10
into the sweet shop. But they
08:14
still ended up in the dump. But
08:14
yeah, they were very expensive
08:17
part. So they were the idea from
08:17
a brewer would be you know, to
08:22
have the bottles reused many
08:22
times.
08:25  Trev
Yeah, and they'd love
08:25
that. Yeah, when I was looking
08:27
at the pictures in there, all of
08:27
them have really sort of
08:31
colourful and like different
08:31
shapes is that what a lot of
08:35
collectors go for? His Blue Jays
08:35
browns, and what he did the
08:39
colours really signify anything
08:39
that was not a lemon, he drink
08:44
blue and the mind thinking a bit
08:44
too advanced for them. I don't
08:48
know.
08:49  Paul
No, no, no, you're not I
08:49
mean, poison bottles were always
08:54
either green or blue. And so
08:54
that would be you know, wherever
08:59
identify them. And they also put
08:59
ribs on them. So if anyone has
09:03
had poor eyesight or as many
09:03
Victorian homes or you know, the
09:08
lighting was poor, so no one got
09:08
up in the middle of the night
09:10
and had a swig of a rat poison
09:10
bottle because
09:15  Wayne
Am I being stupid in
09:15
saying ribs on it? Did they have
09:18
been silly in saying that they
09:18
might have had a skull and
09:20
crossbones cut into the most
09:23  Trev
basic Yes, I've seen that
09:23
in Paul's obviously a really
09:29
intelligent man and you just say
09:29
not hold on. Don't touch that
09:34
because he's got they're not
09:34
pirates. why they're not
09:36
pirates, are they? Let's be
09:36
honest
09:38  Paul
with him. Why he's
09:38
obviously been doing his
09:41
research. Just waiting for that.
09:41
You know,
09:52
if you if you're lucky enough to
09:52
find a skull and crossbones on
09:56
it, it's, you know, will be what
09:56
we call a mentor, you know,
09:58
really assets. buffet will be
09:58
worth a lot of money. Wow.
10:02  Wayne
That's what I was going
10:02
to say at Chipotle. I mean, out
10:05
of all these bottles and the
10:05
lovely colours they come with
10:07
obviously, for decorative
10:07
purposes. Is there any that are
10:11
like the holy grail of such
10:11
like, not like raise the last
10:15
dog before Trevor jumps in
10:15
again. But were there any that
10:19
are sort of super collectible
10:19
maybe worth more than others or
10:21
some people were looking for and
10:21
we'll dig up like 10 dumps to
10:25
find choose wisely. Yeah.
10:31  Paul
Well, yeah, absolutely.
10:31
Yeah. I mean, bottles their
10:35
value or range from 50 patents
10:35
up to staggering amounts of
10:38
money. I mean, I was recently
10:38
very privileged to sounds rather
10:43
sad doesn't I was very
10:43
privileged recently to actually
10:46
see someone's bottle that was
10:46
actually what is what we call a
10:51
blue cobalt blue cod bottle.
10:51
Which is really is the holy
10:56
grail and was worth in excess of
10:56
10,000 pounds. Wow. Well, yeah.
11:06
Very rare people. Yeah, there's
11:06
value. Yeah. Yes. I mean, they
11:12
didn't. They didn't make money
11:12
because cobalt glass was
11:15
expensive to manufacture. So
11:15
yeah, that rare in essence.
11:20
Yeah.
11:21  Wayne
And Trev decided to do
11:21
action figures there. Yeah. I've
11:28
not got a blue cup. But I've got
11:28
to go. That'd be a very lucky
11:34
man. You wouldn't be on this
11:34
show. Paul.
11:38  Trev
You wouldn't be on this
11:38
show. You'd be like highbrow in
11:40
it on what's that dude's name?
11:40
This got the top podcast in
11:46
why Joe Rogan's grown up to be
11:46
seen on the Joe Rogan show. My
11:52  Wayne
name is Paul, you've got
11:52
a lot coming on this problem.
11:56
There we go. I've done that one
11:56
this morning.
12:04  Trev
Does any of these come
12:04
from sort of metal detecting?
12:08
Cuz easy? Is it worth using a
12:08
metal detector? Can you find?
12:14
Well, it's always gone. Oh, no,
12:14
you're the expert. I'm just
12:20  Paul
I mean, a lot of people
12:20
who collect bottles also do
12:25
metal detecting because I
12:25
suppose it's kind of treasure
12:27
hunting in existence. But you
12:27
could use I mean, I have heard
12:31
of people using metal detectors
12:31
just to find the metal in the
12:35
ground, which is normally
12:35
associated with with rubbish
12:38
dumps is normally the metal
12:38
objects in there too. Because of
12:41
course, the metal detector
12:41
wouldn't pick up any of the
12:43
cloud. It might it might give
12:43
you an indication of where you
12:46
might want to start looking, you
12:46
know? Oh, well, I
12:49  Trev
guess that does make a bit
12:49
more sense. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
12:51
Yeah. Cuz I thought we were
12:51
sorry. Yeah. Why would you
12:57
didn't metal detector to look
12:57
for glass but if you're looking
13:00
at obviously Yeah, that does
13:00
make a lot more sense. Apple
13:03
really does.
13:05  Paul
I think it's an it's
13:05
something I've never done but I
13:07
know a lot of people who do
13:07
collect bottles also, you know,
13:11
Joy
13:13  Wayne
is it this is their I, my
13:13
son Trevor said we do a basic
13:18
amount of research on this
13:18
programme only because obviously
13:20
we could do a lot more poll but
13:20
to be honest, I didn't do a
13:23
basic research I did quite
13:23
decent. Yeah, that's what he
13:26
knew about exposure for you keep
13:26
going on. So good research.
13:31
Yeah. Thank you, Paul. Yeah,
13:31
you're not coming on again. Even
13:37
when you get that blue, cobalt
13:37
white, he's gonna see that I've
13:41
heard that. That's my small
13:41
amount of research bald, there's
13:44
a pond till mark on the bottom
13:44
of a bottle that you can take a
13:49
lot from
13:51  Paul
you can I mean not? upon
13:51
Phil mark is like you've
13:55
probably seen the pictures of
13:55
man blowing a bottle on us on a
13:58
stick was a palm tool rod. And
13:58
when they finished blowing it,
14:02
they snap it off. So on the base
14:02
of the bottle, you'd see it's
14:06
like a swirly whirly where it
14:06
snapped the glass off when it
14:09
was still molten. So palm to
14:09
bottles are very old. I mean,
14:14
they probably didn't really make
14:14
many after the sort of 1850s or
14:19
60s if I'm correct. So that is
14:19
normally a sign of a much older
14:23
bottle because got upon to mark
14:23
on on the on the bars. You've
14:26
sort
14:26  Wayne
of hit a jackpot if you
14:26
like if you find one with
14:28  Paul
that one. Yeah, yeah, I
14:28
mean that you do find them. My
14:31
family recently. A wine bottle
14:31
with a pontoon mark on it which
14:35
makes them interesting because
14:35
it's just to think that you're
14:38
stuck with the into someone's
14:38
rod.
14:43  Trev
Wine quite used to blow in
14:43
a lot of reuteri go around,
14:48
don't take these places.
14:52
docks and stuff and blows a lot
14:52
of rods. I didn't think there
14:55
was a lot of glass manufacturing
14:55
near docks To be honest, but you
14:58
can only get a word where you
14:58
can find it. disciple. What's
15:02
your prized possession? In your
15:02
playing? How many bowls? have
15:05
you got? Roughly?
15:07  Paul
You know, I couldn't
15:07
really answer that question. I
15:10
wouldn't, I wouldn't know I
15:10
would have been I'm standing,
15:14
looking at some of my collection
15:14
now. And I've got hundreds,
15:18
probably 1000s
15:20  Trev
of pitches to us, which
15:20
I've looked at and you do have a
15:22
lot of balls.
15:24  Wayne
I'll ever see such a good
15:24
job poll today again, as well.
15:35  Paul
Now, I couldn't really
15:35
answer that, because there's so
15:37
many but I, you know, I try, I
15:37
try to refrain from adding them
15:41
all on show because it'd be
15:41
rather ridiculous. So you kind
15:44
of pick yes ones? Yeah. Which is
15:44
your best one. Paul, would you
15:48
say? Well, that's a hard
15:48
question. Probably one of my
15:54
code bottles, older thought,
15:55  Trev
yeah. More difficult to
15:55
find. And the rest of them are
15:59
just stumbled across it.
16:02  Paul
Well, they are difficult
16:02
to find they were one of the
16:04
most mass produced bottles
16:04
because they normally had
16:07
mineral water or soda pop in
16:07
them, and sometimes ginger beer,
16:12
but they're the ones that you
16:12
might have seen around where
16:15
they have a marble in the neck.
16:15
Which, you know, which is quite
16:19
a novelty. And the reason they
16:19
had the marble in them is
16:24
because they use that to to keep
16:24
the gas inside the bottle
16:29
because it didn't have the means
16:29
of of keeping gaseous liquid in
16:35
the bottle.
16:36  Wayne
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's like
16:36
saying so that carbonation did
16:39
then pour as well. Sorry, I know
16:39
they're so slightly different
16:41  Paul
carbonated? Yeah.
16:41
Originally, they used to have
16:44
them in coke bottles. But what
16:44
would happen is that the court
16:48
would dry out and the court with
16:48
pop. So the Victorians had to
16:54
design their method of sealing
16:54
carbonated water drinks without
17:00
all these problems involved and
17:00
a man called Herman cod came up
17:05
with the Henson I don't know
17:12  Wayne
a guy of officiate
17:12
Australia His name is another
17:23
high value item I believe that
17:23
from what I read somewhere Paul
17:26
was under no chair is going to
17:26
come out with saying and silly
17:29
with this but I promise you I
17:29
won't know I Okay, thanks for
17:32
that. Obviously what it was
17:32
about is that I've read that
17:34
Vaseline glass is quite well
17:34
respected.
17:39  Paul
Vaseline glass Well, I
17:39
think you've got me there I've
17:41
got Vaseline glass bottles, but
17:41
you've probably done more
17:45
research only one can you now
17:45
Yeah,
17:49  Wayne
this is where Trevor
17:49
probably can't hold back and
17:52
says Wayne's always looking for
17:52
if you've mentioned the word VAT
17:55
is very hard. And dogs fighting
17:55
hard but no sorry. Yeah, so I
18:12
had to remember this because of
18:12
my research doesn't lend itself
18:15
to pens so I had to try and
18:15
remember what I remember reading
18:20
what I've already stated it was
18:20
the high value items of what
18:23
you've already stated to be
18:23
honest and fair remember that
18:25
cobalt blue a Vaseline jars all
18:25
sorts of a and yellow green
18:32
bottles I believe so it's the
18:32
colours like you said I guess
18:34
it's the the work that goes into
18:34
them
18:37  Paul
well i think so I mean the
18:37
colour The reason the bottoms
18:40
all different shapes and
18:40
different colours was early form
18:43
of advertising. So if you walked
18:43
into a coffee shop and branding
18:47
Yeah, so you know, you'd have a
18:47
bottle with you get called
18:50
bottoms example with different
18:50
coloured lips. So the top of it
18:54
would be blue or red. So we
18:54
started out on the shelf. And
18:58
the other reason they did do
18:58
that was because bottles had
19:00
such high value. When the when
19:00
the bottles have been reused, it
19:05
used to go to what they call
19:05
bottle banks, bottle exchanges,
19:09
because bottles used to get
19:09
stolen and sold by hawkers on to
19:12
other manufacturers. So by
19:12
putting by putting a red lip on
19:17
it, you could identify it as
19:17
being your bottle. And it
19:21
couldn't be used by someone else
19:21
making you theory of products
19:24
and put, you know, trying to
19:24
further slugging it. So So yeah,
19:29
that's what makes them rare, I
19:29
think because there's certain
19:33
colour called bottom lips, the
19:33
blues and browns were were only
19:38
supplied to one or two local
19:38
manufacturers in one area
19:43
otherwise everyone wouldn't know
19:43
whose was whose so if you had if
19:46
you had a red red top in London,
19:46
it would only be a law wise
19:50
bottle or Beatty bottle so they
19:50
could identify their bottles and
19:54
other people couldn't sell them
19:54
because it was called a big
19:56
market. So via if two people
19:56
sell them on the back market if
20:00
you like,
20:02  Trev
any of our listeners, if
20:02
any of our listeners, because
20:06
would want to take this up as a
20:06
hobby, because that's what we're
20:09
trying to kind of see people,
20:09
you know, encourage but do you
20:14
have to get permission on on
20:14
blog sites on someone's land? Or
20:17
have you ever been caught on
20:17
something somewhere you
20:19
shouldn't be?
20:21  Paul
Well, Pilates folk
20:21
lectures will kind of sort of
20:27
look the other way when you say
20:27
that because there isn't a bit
20:29
of land in this country that
20:29
doesn't belong to someone. So
20:33
no. I mean, the protocol really
20:33
is to gain permission, but a lot
20:37
of lot of times that doesn't
20:37
happen in case you get a
20:39
refusal.
20:41  Trev
Yeah, can you imagine?
20:41
Yeah, because you think, Oh,
20:43
that must be really good there.
20:43
But if I ask they got now sorry,
20:47
fella. And two people pay to go
20:47
on these sites. What the farmer
20:52
got to think?
20:53  Paul
Well, I think it goes on.
20:53
Yeah, I mean, yeah. There's been
21:00
1000s of pounds exchanged. I
21:00
know that for a fact, it was
21:04
some land owners who've got a
21:04
really good Victorian Edwardian
21:08
dump on their land, people have
21:08
discovered it for one way or
21:11
another, and offered the farmer
21:11
good money or the landowner good
21:15
money to dig it exclusively. And
21:15
in fact, back in the 80s, when
21:20
the hobby was quite, quite big.
21:20
People that land owners
21:24
discovered they had a Victorian
21:24
dump on their land, make good
21:28
money out of it, because it bit
21:28
like going to efficient light
21:31
for the day you pay your 10
21:31
pounds and go fishing, you've
21:35
got a kind of day ticket onto
21:35
the land, and you could dig a
21:38
hole, and then go away and take
21:38
what you found with you. So some
21:42
people did make quite a lot of
21:42
money out of it. In the old
21:45
days. It doesn't really exist so
21:45
much now,
21:48  Wayne
talking of lots of money,
21:48
changing hands, but I'm going to
21:51
give you the chance to take part
21:51
in saying where money can't buy
21:53
you in now. And it's our weekly
21:53
quiz, which used to be called
21:57
test drive, as you might have
21:57
heard, we now do a test against
22:02
all right. Well, we don't worry,
22:02
it's not a site. I mean, trying
22:06
to do research for this actual
22:06
subject, I found really
22:08
difficult to be honest. So after
22:08
literally just do a bit of read,
22:11
and as you know, I haven't got a
22:11
pen. So I had to do a bit of
22:14
reading and kind of make some
22:14
questions up and we've covered
22:16
some of it, I think so it's just
22:16
a bit of fun. It's mostly so I
22:19
can somehow get some revenge on
22:19
trail
22:22  Unknown
is basically used to
22:22
make me look as stupid as he
22:25
can.
22:25  Wayne
Yeah. And that's why he
22:25
gets to me before and so good
22:32
your research. So we've got a
22:32
bit of a bit of an intro into
22:35
it, Paul for don't mind anyway,
22:35
go.
22:38  Trev
Test, test, test, test
22:38
case. People call it something
22:54
different than special. But
22:54
we'll
23:01  Wayne
go to first question to
23:01
you. Boy, it's only four
23:03
questions in toto. After which
23:03
decade where bottles
23:07
manufactured mostly by a
23:07
machine? And I'll give you the
23:11
four possible answers. Was it
23:11
1890s 1910s 1920s or
23:18
1950s 1950s? Well, to do the
23:18
first one wrong. Yeah, these are
23:28
these is actually the 1920s and
23:28
I haven't got any elaboration on
23:33
our answer of why that was
23:33
1820s. I sometimes do that
23:36
research. But I call that wrong.
23:36
You know, that is right.
23:44
Question, the integrity of
23:44
tests. The case is Yeah, as I
23:50
say these aren't, these aren't
23:50
easy, because the dates, it's
23:53
easy to get, you're going to get
23:53
things that cross over. But that
23:56
is that is in fact, you know,
23:56
when most manufacturing is
24:00
efficient. You can you can come
24:00
back to me and I'll add it to
24:05
suit or they did the podcast
24:05
well over a period but say that
24:11
one on the chin. So I'm going to
24:11
I'm going to give Trev the the
24:14
one that would make him look the
24:14
most silliest so. Which of the
24:19
No, no, I'm going to go this
24:19
one. stoneware bottles were used
24:24
mainly for what beverage during
24:24
late Victorian and Edwardian
24:28
times. Was it mead? Was it wine?
24:28
Was it ginger beer, or was it
24:34
Diet Coke?
24:41  Trev
Well, I can't imagine that
24:41
there was a great deal of guys
24:43
walking around with their tops
24:43
off drinking Diet Coke and
24:46
moving right into office windows
24:46
looking at oh my god look at
24:49
him. So that one's got to change
24:49
a bit. Ah
25:12  Paul
that's why it's called
25:12
stone ginger beer because it
25:15
came in a stone bottle.
25:17  Wayne
collaboration. Thanks,
25:17
Paul. Yeah, I didn't know that.
25:20
You're trying to do that.
25:21  Unknown
I'm sure yeah.
25:25  Wayne
I was convinced it make
25:25
himself look an alpha. I won't
25:28
do the other date when I'll give
25:28
Paul the other one. That's
25:31
that's actually a question.
25:31
Which of these items still come
25:35
under the general umbrella of
25:35
bottle collecting? Is it one?
25:40
China dolls heads? Is it two
25:40
Silver Goblets free antique LED
25:45
lights? For Roman cups? is Shawn
25:45
adulterers. Can you explain
25:53
that, Paul? Do you ever come
25:53
across these things?
25:56  Paul
Well, I have I have a few
25:56
up here the Victorian dollies.
26:00
Because the Victorians would
26:00
have they would for children to
26:04
play with. I'd have a china head
26:04
and China hands on China legs
26:08
and a cotton body. And they got
26:08
and they got thrown away. And
26:12
yeah.
26:13  Trev
It's a bit freaky if you
26:13
can think of is the end. Kind of
26:17
the Apes. Yeah. That's creepy as
26:17
hell. Yeah. Did you drop it?
26:28
What do you pick job? Oh.
26:33  Wayne
to expect that on a deep
26:33
train for friends avoid actually
26:39
revolving eyes. So that's Whoa.
26:39
Oh, that wouldn't be good. That
26:43
guy strike back in the very
26:43
chalky. Yeah. Oh, it's more like
26:48
that ventriloquist thing with
26:48
Anthony Hopkins as well imagines
26:51
with magic. Yeah, sorry. Sorry.
26:51
Sorry. We're going off again. So
26:55
yeah, right. Back to the test
26:55
guest. Dr. Last question to you.
27:00
In which decade did bottle
27:00
collecting become popular in the
27:05
UK? So is it the 19? I think
27:05
Paul actually said this. exam.
27:11
Yeah, this is Yeah, pulls out to
27:11
somewhere. Here's another one. I
27:15
can't I haven't done night
27:15
loads. I've only got four of us
27:21
are on furlough, you know. So is
27:21
it the 1950s 1960s 1970s or
27:30
1980s?
27:32  Trev
Well, as I've had help
27:32
from Paul on this, cuz he
27:36
mentioned it earlier, I believe,
27:36
says 1980s.
27:44  Wayne
He's I don't know. I
27:44
thought he said the 70s. But it
27:47
is in fact the 70s. I think he
27:47
did it. Yeah. I wish I'd given
27:52
you that one first poll now. And
27:52
then obviously, we could attack
27:55
the whitewash drive, but it is
27:55
what it is. Thank you for that.
27:59
Good. elaborations. Of course, I
27:59
say they were really difficult
28:02
to sort of fight anything on. I
28:02
hate to congratulate wine. But
28:08
again, that's not gonna last
28:08
very long. Let's just be
28:10
sensible here. Yeah, so we good
28:10
research. Thank you very much.
28:16
So yeah, quite a lot. This man
28:16
is my attorney. For trade
28:23
touched on is there like, I dare
28:23
say, you guys, I think you've
28:27
mentioned it just before the
28:27
show. You don't you guys don't
28:30
like to give away like the
28:30
secret digging places,
28:33
obviously. But if somebody one
28:33
is interested in starting isn't,
28:37
obviously if you look at these
28:37
bottles, they're great. You
28:39
know, they're really pretty if
28:39
you like nice things in your
28:41
house even and just fancy having
28:41
to go. This is you know, a lot
28:45
of people like the outdoor life
28:45
and that's what it is. Where
28:49
would they go? Where would you
28:49
recommend to start?
28:52  Paul
Well, that's a really
28:52
difficult question to answer
28:55
because dumps are so hard to
28:55
find. Nowadays, because most of
29:01
them have been built on as towns
29:01
and cities are expanded. I mean,
29:05
there's Victorians used to dump
29:05
their rubbish out of town and
29:07
course out of town is now
29:07
they're out there in the
29:11
outskirts, or the inner city in
29:11
many cases. So most of its been
29:14
built on. I mean, there's no way
29:14
where you can actually go
29:18
digging that I would know of
29:18
now, you have to do endless
29:23
research to find find your own
29:23
dump really, which is part of
29:29
the fun of it as well is very
29:29
rewarding. If you actually do
29:32
your own research,
29:33  Wayne
would you say join a club
29:33
or something poorly, and then
29:35
obviously, that they can help
29:35
you out with all the resources
29:37  Paul
but I don't think there's
29:37
so many clubs around now there
29:41
was back in the 70s and 80s.
29:41
They used to be the British
29:43
bottle diggers club. I think it
29:43
was called. But I think they've
29:47
long since sort of disappeared.
29:47
So it's kind of hard. It's quite
29:52
a hard thing to get into or
29:52
really from scratch, like golf
29:55
or or angling where you could go
29:55
and pay to have a go So I
30:00
suppose first thing, I mean, you
30:00
can buy lots of bottles on eBay,
30:05
which is quite, quite good. But
30:05
you again, you need to know what
30:08
you're looking for. But to
30:08
actually start digging,
30:12
unfortunately, I think it's
30:12
quite tricky one to answer.
30:14  Trev
Yeah, it is not a kind of
30:14
book, like you can buy where it
30:18
seems like these are locations
30:18
or is it? So secret? No.
30:24  Paul
No that I mean, there's
30:24
lots of books written on bottle
30:27
collecting, and they give you
30:27
idea, give you an idea of where
30:30
to look and how to find dumps
30:30
where they might be in towns and
30:34
cities and in the countryside,
30:34
of course. So there's a lot of
30:39
books available on the market
30:39
that will help you to start
30:44
doing your research. One of the
30:44
biggest assets, which we never
30:48
used to have in the old days, is
30:48
a website called side by side
30:53
maps. And if you Google that,
30:53
you'll find it easy enough. And
30:58
basically, it's a split screen,
30:58
and you'll have Google Earth on
31:01
one one side. And then on the
31:01
other side, you'll have a series
31:04
of maps that you can load on,
31:04
and there'll be the Ordnance
31:08
Survey maps from Victorian
31:08
times. So that helps you find
31:11
Okay, let's see why that would
31:11
help. Yeah, definitely. Yeah,
31:15
it's been a massive help to me.
31:15
Yeah, really big help, because
31:18
you're looking for obvious
31:18
things like disused pits and you
31:22
know, old sand pits, gravel
31:22
pits, where Victorians would
31:25
have just basically filled a
31:25
hole in the ground with a
31:27
rubbish because there was no
31:27
rubbish. There was no dustman.
31:31
No collections of rubbish until
31:31
probably about the 1920s.
31:37  Unknown
Yeah, yeah. You know,
31:37
throw it wherever I could. Often
31:42
they go, Oh, it's been such a
31:42
good guest.
31:46  Trev
I'm determined, at some
31:46
point to get poor sponsorship
31:50
with a spied company like Draper
31:50
sphere in
31:54
higher quality. I don't know why
31:54
unless you're going to give us
31:58
some free spades. And then
31:58
they're great. All Yeah, yeah. I
32:02
feel that Paul is a Draper man.
32:02
He said, You need to eat a good
32:09
digging operation question. Well
32:09
done. Yeah. Well, thanks. Well,
32:14
yeah. Lots of tools. You need
32:19  Paul
a good shovel. He's
32:19
obviously imperative and, and
32:23
the spade type, pointed, rounded
32:23
edge shovelled are the best a
32:27
bit like, you know, on a on a
32:27
playing card, the spades on the
32:30
playing card. One of those, you
32:30
need a really good fork. And the
32:34
best type of fork is what's
32:34
called a balanced fork, or our
32:38
coking fork, or obiora, or
32:38
potato focus, the same sort of
32:41
thing, which has about 10 things
32:41
as opposed to four because I
32:46
help you. It acts as a shovel
32:46
that as much as a as a fork, so
32:51
you can loosen the earth and
32:51
then shovel it out with one tool
32:55
while they're swapping from one
32:55
to the other. But yeah, you do
32:59
need to
33:00  Trev
very quickly pulled two of
33:00
your operators and stuff. Have
33:03
you ever dug into the ground and
33:03
smashed a ball? But you found
33:07
Oh, no. Oh, no. It's
33:10  Wayne
a cobalt blue. Yeah.
33:14  Paul
Well, that'd be a signal,
33:14
wouldn't it? Yeah, exactly.
33:17
happens regularly. You can't
33:17
help it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I can
33:22
imagine. Yeah. In fact, talking
33:22
about cobalt blue code bottles.
33:27
I noticed on eBay back in, in
33:27
the summer, somewhere that
33:31
actually sold a small section of
33:31
a broken cobalt blue coloured
33:36
bottle for about 500 pounds. Can
33:36
you believe? Just a small bit?
33:40
Well, a couple a couple of
33:40
inches of it. Yeah. So it's
33:47  Trev
up in your garden? Well,
33:47
that's pre you just lob it back
33:50
in wooden. Yeah. Yeah, check it
33:50
out. Yeah, that's the kind of
33:57
neighbourhood that's the kind of
33:57
neighbour you are really.
34:04  Wayne
Well, that's great, great
34:04
information. Paul. What we're do
34:08
is with the links that you've
34:08
given us the side by side maps,
34:11
and any UK but all collecting
34:11
links, we'll put on the show
34:15
notes to these to this episode.
34:15
I think that's great. I think
34:20  Trev
you've been it's To be
34:20
honest, I was a bit like,
34:24
really? When we were talking
34:24
about having you on this, but I
34:28
can I can see why people would
34:28
want to do it. The history side
34:32
of it,
34:33  Wayne
is what you're gonna find
34:33
treasure hunting isn't it's not
34:35
treason, it's the fight. He's
34:35
gonna get. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,
34:38
great. A different way of
34:38
looking at hobbies is I spend a
34:41
day on the outside doors. The
34:41
weather probably has a lot to do
34:44
with it. But you know, you see
34:44
that in the outside if you've
34:47
got to make that you go with,
34:47
you know, you've got the
34:49
reference, you know what you're
34:49
looking for. Okay, actually, it
34:52
seems like a good day out. I get
34:52
that guy myself. No mites. I was
35:00
trying to I don't know how I
35:00
know. He just puts it in again
35:03
and he. But now that's great. We
35:03
really appreciate your time
35:06
today, Paul, and we'll put Linux
35:06
Thank you very much. And we'll
35:10
put some for some of you, if you
35:10
don't mind. We'll put some of
35:12
your photos on our social media
35:12
and everything show, show people
35:15
what you can find, basically.
35:16  Paul
Absolutely. And in the
35:16
meantime, I'll dig out some info
35:20
of some of the books that if
35:20
anyone is interested, perhaps
35:22
you can, you'll be able to get
35:22
onto onto that page. Top man.
35:29  Wayne
Thanks for joining us
35:29
today, Paul. Thanks, Paul. It's
35:31
been great. Cheers. Well, thank
35:31
you, Trevor. Thank you, Wayne.
35:33
It's been a pleasure. Thanks
35:33
very much. So Trev after that,
35:37
are you going to get your hands
35:37
down and dirty in the dump?
35:40  Trev
I'm going to keep my
35:40
fingers right in it. Right?
35:45
Yeah. Good. You know, we're
35:45
gonna find you know what? What I
35:50
really like I don't know why
35:50
because you conjured up kind of
35:54
not the poisoned ones with the
35:54
skull and crossbones. Yeah.
35:57  Wayne
You didn't believe me?
35:57
No, no, I didn't believe your
36:00
evil pirate laugh because you
36:00
fought pirates. Were you really
36:04
sincere with that? I was like,
36:04
yeah. And I was sure I've seen
36:07
it. And Paul was like, yeah,
36:07
Wayne's right. Yeah, that's
36:10
cool. I've never felt so elated
36:10
in my life again, this is
36:13
because I've never had anything
36:13
No one's ever given me any
36:15
credit. Nothing. You know, he's
36:15
Poor me Poor me laid with mud
36:18
from the age of four. And done
36:18
anything. All of a sudden, I've
36:22
been elevated to a position in
36:22
life. I'm glad it makes you feel
36:28
like that. Yeah, cuz Yeah. Cuz
36:28
you've got my best interests at
36:30
heart driven. Yeah.
36:31  Trev
Yeah. making you look
36:31
making me look small, elevates
36:35
you to a higher ground. I feel
36:35
like I've got purpose. Anyway,
36:38
going back to the poison
36:38
bottles. Why do you like about
36:41
that? Is
36:43
I love that kind of old
36:43
Victorian sort of steampunk
36:47
thing. Yes. And this sort of
36:47
laboratory where there was like,
36:50
all these potions and
36:50
concoctions and there's that
36:54
one. Yeah, I think he probably
36:54
reminds me of Young
36:56
Frankenstein. Yeah.
36:59
My Yeah. My Feldman's like, Guys
36:59
head in there. It's like nearly
37:04
dead. You know? Yeah, exactly.
37:04
It makes you think of that
37:07
Frankenstein. Poison on bald.
37:07
Yeah, already? Honestly, yeah.
37:11  Wayne
It's probably evokes
37:11
memories is what I mean. That's
37:13
when you're collecting things
37:13
like antique things. It's all
37:16
about memories, isn't it? Or
37:16
bring it back to the past? I
37:19
mean, it is. It's like when you
37:19
go visit a stately home, there's
37:22
always so you can take it I
37:22
often think, oh, if I could go
37:25
back 600 years, I wonder what
37:25
it'd be like, you know, or
37:28
something. Yeah.
37:29  Trev
One of the one of the best
37:29
things about one very quick,
37:33
very quick, very quick story.
37:33
While I went on holiday, once I
37:36
went to this kind of
37:39
monastery place, I think it was
37:39
in Greece or somewhere. I don't
37:43
know if there's a big Catholic
37:43
thing. But we walk him around,
37:47
and we were in one really sacred
37:47
bit. And there was like, a bus
37:52
full of like, kind of older
37:52
women there who were obviously
37:55
very religious because they were
37:55
getting very emotional. And
37:58
there was like an incense kind
37:58
of hold a, you know, sort of
38:03
pendulum thing, you know, walked
38:03
about Yeah, waft about and add
38:08
like a sort of drape over it. He
38:08
was hanging down and it was
38:11
cordoned off. But this woman got
38:11
so emotional.
38:16
And she had to touch it. And I
38:16
was standing there. And she
38:19
touched it. And she pulled it
38:19
down on herself. It was the
38:22
funniest thing. Honestly, I was
38:22
crying. This woman was so
38:27
emotional. She pulled this thing
38:27
down, and it landed across her.
38:32
So she was laying on the floor
38:32
with an incense burner.
38:35  Wayne
Just go in and you found
38:35
some kind of Monty Python sketch
38:38
in Greece in holiday.
38:39  Trev
Standing there. I could
38:39
have I should have elverta but
38:42
it was funny. He wouldn't do
38:42
that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it was and
38:49
that that epitomise is that
38:49
thing? Yeah.
38:53  Wayne
I know. I think what I
38:53
take from it, you know, talking
38:55
to people out there that might
38:55
be thinking of taking up antique
38:59
bottle collecting is that you're
38:59
out gets you out and about in
39:01
the fresh air. You can get again
39:01
a bit like I'm guessing fishing,
39:05
you can go and scout your mates
39:05
and dig your dump, as you say,
39:09
Yep. And, you know, spend a day
39:09
in the sunshine basically, and
39:13
hoping you find treasure that
39:13
sense of purposes.
39:16  Trev
As we said to poll
39:16
earlier, the elation of finding
39:19
what must be amazing. Yeah.
39:19
scoring a goal in it. It is
39:23
looking at Well, I've got it
39:23
wipe it down what the muddy.
39:27  Wayne
Genie comes out. It says
39:27
like,
39:28  Trev
yeah, Will Smith. Yeah, no
39:28
only Scobie, Robin Williams.
39:33
Robin Williams. Yeah, exactly.
39:33
You know, I'm like, like the
39:36
fridge pro fresh, Fresh Prince
39:36
of Bel Air appear a lot of fresh
39:40
produce.
39:44  Wayne
Oh, sorry. If it if you
39:44
think of that coming on here.
39:47
We're Smith. We're still
39:47
entertain you. Obviously. We
39:50
like to call your belly one.
39:50
Just one just last factor. But
39:54
Exactly, exactly. You'd want
39:54
more coming out your balls all
39:58
day long. So we will put all the
39:58
links up to all the associations
40:02
for bottle collecting on the
40:02
website as always mlo
40:05
podcast.com give us some abuse
40:05
on the blue button on there. As
40:10
always we sit there we will.
40:10
Yeah, like we did we'll, as we
40:13
expect, Will Smith to be on
40:13
there singing that wrap to The
40:15
Fresh Prince of Bel Air. I
40:15
haven't got a clue, Eric in a
40:18
bit. I mean, your colour Bell
40:18
ends. Yeah, exactly. And I'm
40:20
sure you've got a bigger
40:20
audience than us even so you
40:23
know it. We'll get it out to
40:23
more people. You want to do
40:24
that. We'll bring it on. We're
40:24
here for you. Right. So yeah,
40:28
we'll put all the links up to
40:28
all the bottle collecting
40:30
associations in the in the UK.
40:30
And enjoy and hope you enjoyed
40:35
the show. And Thanks, Paul, for
40:35
coming up. Did you dump this
40:37
ticker dump? We'll see you on
40:37
the next one. Shout out man.
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