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- Spotify has released the Spotify Greenroom app. The app, similar to Clubhouse or Twitter Spaces, includes recording capabilities. It's available on iOS and Android.

- The podcast:guid tag has been finalised. This is a simple method for a webscale ID for every podcast

- Podpage has released v2.0 of their podcast website tool.

- Facebook is launching podcasts next week.

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 2021-06-18  57m
 
 
00:01  James
Welcome
00:01
to
00:01
Portland.
00:02
Portland
00:02
is
00:02
sponsored
00:03
by
00:03
Buzzsprout
00:04
used
00:04
by
00:04
over
00:04
a
00:04
hundred
00:05
thousand
00:05
podcasters
00:06
like
00:06
us
00:06
to
00:07
host,
00:07
promote
00:08
and
00:08
track
00:08
your
00:08
podcast
00:09
and
00:10
riverside.fm.
00:11
The
00:11
easiest
00:12
way
00:12
to
00:12
record
00:13
podcasts
00:13
and
00:14
video
00:14
interviews
00:14
in
00:15
studio
00:15
quality
00:16
from
00:16
anywhere
00:17
just
00:17
by
00:17
using
00:17
a
00:17
web
00:17
browser.
00:18
We're
00:18
using
00:19
it
00:19
now.
00:19
It's
00:19
the
00:20
17th
00:20
of
00:21
June,
00:21
2021.
00:22
I
00:22
am
00:22
James.
00:22
Cruden
00:23
the
00:23
editor
00:23
of
00:23
pod
00:24
news.net
00:24
here
00:25
in
00:25
Austin.
00:26
And
00:26  Sam
I'm
00:26
Sam
00:26
Steffi.
00:27
The
00:27
editor
00:28
of
00:28
Sam
00:28
Talks
00:29
Technology,
00:29
which
00:30
is
00:30
coming
00:30
back
00:30
in
00:30  Mark
September.
00:31
And
00:31
I'm
00:31
mark
00:32
Asquith
00:32
from
00:32
captivate
00:33
and
00:33
later
00:33
I'll
00:34
be
00:34
talking
00:34
about
00:34
captivate
00:35
2.0,
00:36  James
Hey,
00:37
will
00:37
pod
00:38
lands
00:38
a
00:38
weekly
00:38
podcast
00:39
where
00:39
Sam
00:39
and
00:39
I
00:40
delve
00:40
deeper
00:40
into
00:41
the
00:41
week's
00:41
podcasting
00:42
news.
00:44  Sam
Now,
00:44
finally,
00:45
I
00:45
don't
00:45
know
00:45
if
00:45
we're
00:46
supposed
00:46
to
00:46
have
00:46
a
00:46
round
00:46
of
00:47
applause
00:47
or
00:47
anything,
00:48
but
00:48
apple
00:48
podcasts
00:49
launched
00:50
their
00:50
paid
00:50
subscriptions
00:51
and
00:51
channel
00:52
service.
00:53
James,
00:53
what
00:53
happened?
00:54
Was
00:54
it
00:54
a
00:54
worth
00:55
the
00:55
wait.
00:56  James
Well,
00:57
I
00:57
think
00:57
it's
00:58
done.
00:58
It's
00:59
been
00:59
worked
00:59
out
01:00
really,
01:00
really
01:00
well.
01:01
I
01:01
think
01:01
there's
01:01
clearly
01:02
been
01:02
an
01:02
awful
01:02
lot
01:02
of
01:03
thought
01:03
behind
01:04
it,
01:04
and
01:04
it
01:05
was
01:05
very
01:05
nice
01:05
to
01:06
see
01:07
a
01:07
bunch
01:07
of
01:07
new
01:07
channels
01:08
appear
01:09
that
01:09
has
01:09
channels
01:10
from
01:10
Radiotopia
01:11
there's
01:11
channels,
01:11
from
01:12
luminary,
01:13
a
01:13
Q
01:13
code
01:14
plus
01:14
lemonade
01:15
of
01:15
media,
01:15
so
01:15
on
01:15
and
01:16
so
01:16
forth.
01:16
but
01:17
also
01:17
a
01:17
bunch
01:17
of
01:17
channels
01:18
from
01:18
places
01:19
all
01:19
over
01:19
the
01:19
world.
01:20
So
01:20
here
01:20
in
01:21
Australia,
01:21
the
01:21
ABC
01:22
has
01:22
a
01:22
channel
01:23
SBS,
01:24
which
01:24
is
01:24
another
01:25
public
01:25
service.
01:25
Broadcaster
01:26
has
01:26
a
01:26
channel
01:26
as
01:27
well,
01:27
so
01:27
on
01:28
and
01:28
so
01:28
forth,
01:28
which
01:28
is
01:29
all
01:29
pretty
01:29
cool.
01:29
and
01:30
we're
01:30
in
01:30
a
01:30
channel
01:30
to
01:30
the
01:31
podcast
01:31
industry
01:32
news
01:32
channel
01:33
generic
01:33
name,
01:34
and
01:34
that's
01:35
got
01:35
both
01:35
pod
01:35
land
01:36
and
01:36
pod
01:36
news
01:36
in
01:37
there.
01:37
just
01:38
for
01:38
a
01:38
little
01:38
bit
01:38
of
01:38
fun.
01:39
But
01:39
I
01:39
think
01:40
it's
01:40
relatively
01:41
flawless.
01:41
It
01:41
works
01:42
quite
01:42
well.
01:42
obviously
01:43
it
01:43
doesn't
01:43
necessarily
01:44
work
01:44
in
01:45
anything
01:45
other
01:45
than
01:45
apple
01:46
podcasts.
01:46
And
01:47
so
01:47
therefore
01:47
if
01:47
you're
01:47
one
01:48
of
01:48
the
01:48
80%
01:50
of
01:50
people
01:50
across
01:50
the
01:51
world
01:51
who
01:51
has
01:51
an
01:51
Android
01:52
phone,
01:52
then
01:53
you
01:53
don't
01:53
get
01:53
any
01:53
access
01:54
to
01:54
any
01:54
of
01:54
this
01:55
tough.
01:56
But
01:57
I
01:57
think
01:57
it's
01:57
still
01:58
a
01:58
pretty
01:58
good
01:59
service
01:59
for
02:00
those
02:01
people
02:01
who
02:01
use
02:02
apple
02:03
devices.
02:03
So
02:04
I
02:04
think
02:04
it's
02:04
I
02:05
think
02:05
it's
02:05
quite
02:05
smart.
02:05
Really.
02:06  Sam
UI
02:07
still
02:07
has
02:07
a
02:07
few
02:08
tweaky
02:08
issues.
02:09
I
02:09
actually
02:09
followed
02:10
the
02:10
guidelines
02:11
to
02:11
put
02:11
in
02:12
the
02:12
header
02:13
and
02:13
then
02:13
it
02:13
comes
02:14
out
02:14
as
02:14
this
02:14
absolutely
02:15
small
02:16
micro
02:16
image
02:17
on
02:17
the
02:17
actual
02:18
channel.
02:18
So
02:19
I've
02:19
got
02:19
to
02:19
go
02:19
back
02:19
and
02:20
find
02:20
out
02:20
how
02:20
to
02:20
put
02:21
the
02:21
full
02:21
width,
02:22
full
02:22
screen
02:22
image.
02:23
But
02:23
I
02:23
agree
02:24
with
02:24
you.
02:24
it's
02:24
pretty
02:25
quick.
02:25
And
02:25
actually
02:26
the
02:26
UI.
02:27
It
02:27
looks
02:27
like
02:27
it's
02:27
been
02:27
updated
02:28
as
02:28
well.
02:28
Cause
02:29
now
02:29
in
02:29
my
02:30
iPhone,
02:30
I
02:30
can
02:30
go
02:31
and
02:31
look
02:31
at
02:32
feature
02:32
channels.
02:33
and
02:33
actually
02:34
they
02:34
are
02:34
the
02:34
biggest
02:35
graphic
02:36
in
02:36
the
02:36
whole
02:37
app.
02:37
So
02:38
when
02:38
I
02:38
look
02:38
at
02:38
it,
02:38
yes.
02:39
Funny
02:39
that
02:40
isn't,
02:40
it
02:40
suddenly
02:40
the
02:41
one
02:41
minute
02:41  James
stands
02:41
out
02:42
well,
02:42
can
02:42
start
02:42
making
02:43
money
02:43
out
02:43
of
02:43
it.
02:44
Then
02:44
I
02:45
have
02:45
to
02:45
say,
02:45
I've
02:45
been
02:46
very
02:46
impressed.
02:47
So
02:47
when
02:48
I
02:48
put
02:48
the
02:49
the
02:49
podcast
02:50
industry
02:51
news
02:51
channel
02:52
together,
02:53
I've
02:53
had
02:53
folks
02:54
reaching
02:54
out
02:55
from
02:55
apple
02:55
saying,
02:56
this
02:56
logo,
02:56
it
02:57
could
02:57
be
02:57
better
02:57
if
02:57
you
02:57
did
02:58
it
02:58
this
02:58
way
02:58
and
02:59
and
02:59
blah,
02:59
blah,
02:59
blah.
03:00
And
03:00
I
03:00
gather
03:00
that
03:01
they're
03:01
doing
03:01
that
03:01
for
03:01
quite
03:01
a
03:01
lot
03:02
of
03:02
people.
03:02
so
03:02
I
03:02
was
03:03
quite
03:03
impressed
03:03
at
03:03
that.
03:04
Also
03:04
quite
03:05
impressed
03:05
at
03:06
the
03:06
range
03:07
of
03:07
different
03:07
ways
03:08
that
03:08
people
03:08
are
03:08
using
03:08
it.
03:09
So
03:09
luminary
03:10
has
03:11
launched
03:12
their
03:12
podcasts
03:13
onto
03:13
apple
03:14
podcasts,
03:14
which
03:14
obviously
03:14
means
03:15
that
03:15
it's
03:15
the
03:16
first
03:16
time
03:16
that
03:16
luminary
03:17
podcasts
03:18
are
03:18
available
03:18
globally.
03:19
if
03:19
you
03:19
want
03:19
to
03:19
pay
03:19
for
03:20
them,
03:20
but
03:20
also
03:21
other
03:21
people
03:22
like
03:22
Sony
03:22
music
03:22
entertainment,
03:23
who
03:23
we'll
03:23
come
03:23
back
03:23
to
03:24
later,
03:24
they
03:24
have
03:24
launched
03:25
a
03:25
number
03:25
of
03:25
new
03:26
channels
03:26
and.
03:28
Some
03:28
of
03:28
those
03:28
are
03:28
branded,
03:29
so-and-so
03:30
uninterrupted
03:31
and
03:31
you
03:32
realize
03:32
that
03:32
that
03:32
is
03:32
commercial
03:33
free.
03:34
Whereas
03:34
they've
03:34
also
03:35
got
03:35
a
03:35
set
03:35
of
03:35
channels
03:36
which
03:36
are
03:36
so-and-so
03:37
plus,
03:37
or
03:38
so-and-so
03:38
extra
03:39
where
03:39
you
03:40
get
03:40
additional
03:41
content
03:42
and
03:42
stuff
03:42
like
03:42
that.
03:43
So
03:43
some
03:44
quite
03:44
interesting
03:44
business
03:45
models
03:45
already
03:46
beginning
03:46
to
03:46
appear
03:47
in
03:48
this.
03:48
and
03:48
there's
03:48
also
03:49
Fox
03:49
news
03:49
podcasts,
03:50
if
03:50
you
03:50
want
03:50
to
03:50
listen
03:51
to
03:51
those
03:52
sorts
03:52
of
03:52
things.
03:52
So
03:52
I
03:52
think
03:53
all
03:53
in
03:53
all,
03:54
it's
03:54
been
03:55
a
03:55
pretty
03:56
good
03:56
and
03:56
impressive
03:57
launch
03:58
and
03:58
that's
03:58
what
03:58
happens,
03:59
I
03:59
guess,
03:59
when
04:00
you've
04:00
got
04:00
money
04:01
behind
04:01
you
04:01
and
04:01
when
04:01
you
04:01
can
04:02
actually
04:02
see
04:02
that
04:02
there's
04:03
going
04:03
to
04:03
be
04:03
some
04:03
cash,
04:04
here
04:04
in
04:04
terms
04:05
of
04:05
that.
04:05  Sam
we've
04:06
got
04:06
a
04:06
non-subscriber
04:07
base
04:08
on
04:08
haven't
04:08
we
04:08
at
04:08
the
04:08
moment,
04:09
although
04:09
we've
04:09
both
04:10
paid
04:10
for
04:10
our
04:10
subscribers
04:11
subscription
04:12
services
04:13
what
04:13
would
04:13
we
04:13
add?
04:14
Who
04:14
could
04:15
we
04:15
add
04:15
to
04:15
the
04:15
extras?
04:16
I
04:16
wonder
04:17
whether
04:17
the
04:17
reason
04:17
I
04:18
say
04:18
it's,
04:18
I
04:18
wonder
04:18
whether
04:18
the
04:19
plus
04:19
Nexterus
04:19
become
04:20
just
04:20
a
04:21
footnote
04:21
for
04:22
most
04:22
businesses,
04:23
a
04:23
bit
04:23
like
04:24
tech
04:24
crunch,
04:25
plus,
04:26
which
04:26
very
04:27
rarely
04:27
anyone
04:28
actually
04:28
pays
04:28
for
04:29
users.
04:29  James
I
04:29
guess
04:30
it,
04:30
it
04:30
depends
04:31
what
04:31
people
04:31
are
04:32
using
04:32
it
04:32
for.
04:32
I,
04:33
from
04:33
what
04:33
I
04:34
can
04:34
see,
04:34
you
04:34
don't
04:35
actually
04:36
have
04:36
to
04:37
have
04:38
anything
04:39
extra
04:40
in
04:40
your
04:41
paid
04:42
for
04:42
subscription.
04:43
if
04:43
you
04:43
don't
04:44
necessarily
04:44
want
04:44
to.
04:45
So
04:45
what,
04:45
what,
04:46
what
04:46
we
04:46
could
04:46
do
04:46
for
04:47
example
04:47
is
04:47
we
04:47
could
04:48
add
04:48
another
04:49
podcast,
04:50
call
04:50
it
04:51
Sam
04:51
and
04:51
James.
04:51
Thanks
04:52
you
04:52
very
04:52
much.
04:53
And
04:53
have
04:53
one
04:54
show.
04:55
Which
04:55
is
04:55
thanks
04:56
very
04:56
much.
04:56
That's
04:56
very
04:56
kind
04:57
of
04:57
you.
04:57
and
04:57
that
04:57
one
04:57
show
04:58
is
04:58
the,
04:59
I
04:59
dunno
04:59
two,
05:00
$2
05:01
a
05:01
month
05:01
or
05:01
whatever
05:02
and
05:02
would
05:02
just
05:02
be
05:02
a
05:02
nice
05:03
way
05:03
for
05:03
people
05:04
to
05:04
to
05:05
support
05:05
the
05:05
show.
05:05
You
05:06
could
05:06
do
05:06
that
05:06
sort
05:07
of
05:07
thing.
05:08
Of
05:08
course,
05:08
I've
05:08
built
05:08
it
05:08
in
05:09
with
05:09
a
05:09
different
05:10
a
05:10
different
05:10
podcast.
05:11
So
05:11
that
05:11
might,
05:11
may
05:12
not
05:12
actually
05:12
work.
05:12
But
05:13
from
05:13
that,
05:13
from
05:14
that
05:14
point
05:14
of
05:14
view,
05:14
you
05:15
could
05:15
do
05:15
that
05:15
sort
05:16
of
05:16
thing.
05:16
I'm,
05:17
I'm
05:17
just
05:17
quite
05:17
fascinated
05:18
by
05:19
what
05:19
you
05:19
could
05:20
do
05:20
with
05:21
some
05:21
of
05:21
this
05:22
income.
05:22
I
05:22
think
05:22
it's
05:23
a,
05:23
it's
05:23
an
05:23
interesting
05:24
plan.
05:24
I'm
05:24
sure
05:25
I'll
05:25  Sam
show
05:25
up
05:25
big
05:25
commercial
05:26
company,
05:26
so
05:26
we'll
05:26
get
05:26
it
05:26
right.
05:27
The
05:27
other
05:27
thing
05:27
that
05:28
just
05:28
annoyed
05:28
me
05:29
a
05:29
little
05:29
bit,
05:29
which
05:29
I
05:30
was
05:30
hoping
05:30
for.
05:31
So
05:31
I've
05:31
been
05:32
in
05:32
the
05:32
process
05:32
of
05:32
putting
05:33
up
05:33
26
05:34
radio
05:34
stations
05:35
shows
05:35
into
05:36
my
05:37
re
05:37
river
05:38
radio
05:38
channel,
05:39
but
05:39
I
05:40
was
05:40
hoping
05:40
that
05:40
when
05:41
the
05:41
channel
05:41
went
05:42
live,
05:42
there
05:42
would
05:42
be
05:42
an
05:42
option
05:43
for
05:43
four.
05:44
All
05:44
listeners
05:45
to
05:45
go,
05:45
oh
05:46
I
05:46
just
05:46
want
05:46
to
05:46
subscribe
05:46
to
05:47
all
05:47
your
05:47
podcasts
05:48
or
05:48
subscribe
05:49
to
05:49
the
05:49
channel
05:49
and
05:49
it
05:49
would
05:50
auto
05:51
subscribe
05:51
them
05:51
to
05:51
everything.
05:52
It
05:52
doesn't
05:53
work
05:53
that
05:53
way
05:53
or
05:53
it
05:54
doesn't
05:54
work
05:54
that
05:54
way,
05:54
at
05:54
least
05:55
right
05:56
now.
05:56  James
Yes,
05:57
I
05:57
agree.
05:57
And
05:58
I
05:58
think
05:58
it
05:58
would
05:58
be
05:58
nicer
05:59
if
05:59
it
05:59
did.
05:59
Wouldn't
06:00
it.
06:00
I
06:01
looked
06:01
at
06:01
that
06:01
and
06:01
I
06:02
thought,
06:02
there's
06:02
no
06:03
instant
06:04
way
06:04
for
06:05
you
06:05
to
06:05
be
06:05
able
06:05
to
06:05
go
06:06
follow
06:06
all
06:06
of
06:06
these.
06:07
Now
06:07
that
06:07
may
06:07
be
06:07
because,
06:08
the
06:08
Wondery
06:08
channel
06:09
for
06:09
example,
06:09
has
06:09
63
06:10
podcasts
06:11
in
06:11
there
06:11
and
06:11
nobody
06:12
necessarily
06:12
wants
06:13
to
06:13
SU
06:13
to
06:13
subscribe
06:14
to
06:14
all
06:14
63
06:15
of
06:15
them,
06:16
but
06:16
I'm
06:16
surprised
06:17
that
06:17
they
06:17
haven't
06:17
added
06:17
that
06:19
feature
06:19
in,
06:20
but
06:20
it's
06:21
early
06:21
days.
06:21
And
06:22
I
06:22
think
06:22
what
06:22
they've
06:22
done
06:22
very
06:23
cleverly
06:23
is
06:23
that
06:23
they've
06:23
built
06:24
in,
06:24
free
06:25
periods.
06:25
If
06:26
you
06:26
want
06:26
that
06:26
sort
06:26
of
06:26
thing
06:27
they've
06:27
built
06:27
in
06:28
geoblocking.
06:28
If
06:28
you
06:29
want
06:29
to
06:29
do
06:29
that
06:29
sort
06:29
of
06:30
thing,
06:30
et
06:30
cetera,
06:30
et
06:30
cetera.
06:32
So
06:32
I
06:32
think
06:32
there's
06:32
a
06:32
bunch
06:32
of
06:33
very
06:33
clever
06:34
tools
06:35
that
06:35
they've
06:35
built
06:36
in
06:36
to
06:36
basically
06:37
allow
06:37
businesses
06:38
to
06:38
go
06:38
and
06:38
play
06:38
with
06:38
this.
06:39
And,
06:40
and
06:40
I
06:40
hope,
06:40
and
06:40
I'm
06:40
sure
06:41
that
06:41
they
06:41
will
06:41
be
06:42
learning
06:42
from
06:43
all
06:43
of
06:43
this
06:44
as
06:44
they
06:44
go
06:44
forward.
06:45  Sam
Now,
06:46
a
06:46
story
06:46
that
06:47
I
06:47
think
06:47
is
06:47
massive
06:48
personally,
06:48
is
06:49
the
06:49
new
06:49
EU
06:50
copyright
06:50
laws
06:51
went
06:51
into
06:51
law
06:52
on
06:52
June
06:52
the
06:52
seventh
06:53
their
06:53
effect,
06:53
podcasting
06:54
host
06:54
companies,
06:55
it's
06:55
article
06:56
17
06:56
of
06:56
the
06:56
copyright
06:57
directive
06:58
that
06:58
changes
06:59
the
06:59
way
06:59
that
06:59
safe
07:00
Harbor
07:00
rules
07:01
work.
07:02
James
07:02
explain
07:03
what's
07:03
going
07:03
to
07:04
happen
07:05  James
well.
07:05
So
07:05
at
07:05
the
07:05
moment,
07:06
the
07:06
way
07:06
that
07:06
copyright
07:07
works
07:07
is
07:08
if
07:08
you
07:08
are
07:09
a
07:09
internet
07:10
service
07:10
provider,
07:11
then
07:12
you
07:13
are
07:13
given
07:14
quite
07:14
a
07:15
few
07:15
get
07:16
out
07:16
in
07:16
terms
07:17
of,
07:17
if
07:17
somebody
07:17
posts
07:18
on
07:18
your
07:19
podcast,
07:19
host
07:20
a
07:20
Taylor
07:20
swift
07:20
song,
07:21
then.
07:22
It's
07:23
up
07:23
to
07:23
the
07:23
record
07:24
company
07:24
to
07:24
say,
07:25
Hey,
07:25
that's
07:25
a
07:25
Taylor
07:26
swift
07:26
song.
07:26
Take
07:27
it
07:27
down.
07:28
And
07:29
as
07:29
long
07:29
as
07:29
you
07:29
take
07:29
it
07:29
down,
07:30
nobody
07:30
gets
07:30
into
07:31
trouble.
07:31
that's
07:31
basically
07:32
how
07:32
it
07:32
has
07:33
worked,
07:34
the
07:34
way
07:34
that
07:34
the
07:35
article
07:35
17
07:35
of
07:36
the
07:36
EU
07:36
copyright
07:37
directive,
07:37
which
07:37
I
07:37
don't
07:37
believe
07:38
you'll
07:38
have
07:38
in
07:39
the
07:39
UK,
07:39
but
07:40
certainly
07:40
across
07:41
the
07:41
rest
07:41
of
07:41
Europe,
07:42
you
07:42
certainly
07:42
will.
07:43
That.
07:45
Essentially
07:45
changes
07:46
all
07:46
of
07:46
that
07:46
and
07:47
means
07:47
that
07:47
you,
07:48
as
07:48
a
07:48
podcast,
07:49
host
07:49
are
07:50
liable.
07:50
If
07:51
somebody
07:51
uploads
07:52
stuff
07:52
into
07:53
their
07:53
podcast,
07:54
that
07:54
they
07:54
shouldn't
07:55
do.
07:55
But
07:55
even
07:56
more
07:56
than
07:56
that,
07:56
it
07:57
even
07:57
means
07:58
that
07:58
if
07:58
you
07:58
run
07:59
a
07:59
podcast
08:00
player,
08:01
such
08:01
as,
08:02
I
08:02
don't
08:02
know,
08:02
podcast
08:03
addicts
08:03
or
08:03
something,
08:03
which
08:04
comes
08:04
out
08:04
of
08:04
France,
08:05
then
08:06
if
08:06
there
08:06
is
08:07
copyright
08:07
infringement
08:08
in
08:09
that
08:09
player,
08:10
even
08:10
though
08:10
you
08:11
aren't
08:11
doing
08:12
anything
08:12
to
08:12
encourage
08:13
it
08:13
you
08:14
are
08:14
still
08:14
potentially
08:15
liable
08:16
under
08:16
certain
08:17
conditions.
08:17
So.
08:19
That
08:19
is,
08:19
I
08:19
think
08:19
quite
08:20
a
08:21
scary
08:21
thing
08:22
for
08:23
how
08:23
podcasts
08:24
work,
08:24
the,
08:24
the
08:25
way
08:25
that
08:25
podcasts
08:26
work
08:26
is
08:26
that
08:26
nobody
08:27
is
08:27
sitting
08:27
there
08:28
approving
08:29
every
08:29
single
08:29
show
08:30
that
08:30
you
08:30
put
08:30
together,
08:31
putting
08:32
it
08:32
through
08:33
robots
08:33
to
08:33
work
08:34
out.
08:34
If
08:34
you've
08:34
got
08:35
music
08:35
in
08:35
there
08:36
that
08:36
you
08:36
shouldn't
08:36
do,
08:37
perhaps
08:37
that
08:37
means
08:38
that
08:38
we'll
08:38
have
08:38
to
08:38
have
08:39
those
08:39
sorts
08:39
of
08:39
robots
08:40
in
08:40
there
08:40
in
08:40
the
08:40
future.
08:41
Who
08:41
knows?
08:41
But
08:42
I
08:42
think
08:42
it's
08:42
quite
08:42
a
08:43
big
08:43
difference.
08:43
It's
08:43
something
08:44
that
08:44
the
08:44
eff,
08:45
which
08:45
I'm
08:45
a
08:45
member
08:45
of
08:45
has
08:46
been
08:46
jumping
08:46
up
08:46
and
08:46
down
08:47
for
08:47
the
08:47
last
08:47
two
08:47
years.
08:49
And
08:49
something
08:49
that,
08:50
doubtless,
08:50
we'll
08:51
see
08:51
a
08:51
few
08:51
test
08:52
cases
08:53
going
08:53
on
08:54
that
08:54
said
08:54
we
08:54
were
08:54
supposed
08:55
to
08:55
have
08:55
a
08:55
few
08:55
big
08:56
test
08:56
cases
08:56
of
08:56
the
08:57
GDPR
08:57
and
08:58
not
08:58
seen
08:59
too
08:59
much
08:59
of
08:59
that.
09:00
I
09:00
believe
09:00
that
09:00
Amazon
09:01
is
09:01
one
09:01
of
09:01
the
09:01
first
09:01
people
09:02
to
09:02
get
09:02
fined
09:03
for
09:03
the
09:03
GDPR
09:04
and
09:05
for
09:05
doing
09:05
something
09:06
that
09:06
they
09:06
shouldn't
09:06
have
09:07
done
09:07
all
09:07
though,
09:08
arguably
09:08
it's
09:08
quite
09:09
difficult
09:09
to
09:09
actually
09:09
follow
09:10
all
09:10
of
09:10
the
09:10
terms
09:11
and
09:11
conditions
09:11
of
09:11
the
09:11
GDPR
09:12
in
09:12
terms
09:13
of
09:13
privacy.
09:14
So
09:14
having
09:15
those,
09:15
how
09:15
easy
09:15
it's
09:16
going
09:16
to
09:16
be
09:16
to
09:16
follow
09:17
these
09:17
individual
09:18
copyright
09:18
rules.
09:19
And
09:19
of
09:19
course,
09:20
they've
09:20
gone
09:20
into
09:20
law.
09:21
In
09:21
every
09:22
country,
09:22
across
09:23
Europe
09:24
and
09:25
going
09:25
into
09:25
law
09:25
in
09:26
every
09:26
country
09:26
across
09:26
Europe
09:27
actually
09:27
means
09:28
that
09:28
the
09:28
German
09:28
version
09:29
of
09:29
it
09:29
is
09:29
going
09:29
to
09:29
be
09:29
slightly
09:30
different
09:30
to
09:30
the
09:30
French
09:30
version,
09:31
which
09:31
is
09:31
going
09:31
to
09:31
be
09:31
slightly
09:32
different
09:32
to
09:32
the
09:32
Luxembourg
09:33
version
09:33
and
09:33
So
09:34
who
09:34
knows
09:35
what's
09:35
going
09:35
to
09:35
happen
09:35
there,
09:36
but
09:36
could
09:36
be
09:36
very,
09:37
very
09:37
large.
09:37
Indeed.
09:38  Sam
were
09:38
hosted
09:39
with
09:39
Buzzsprout,
09:39
which
09:40
is
09:40
not
09:40
a
09:40
UK
09:41
or
09:41
an
09:41
EU
09:42
company,
09:43
would
09:43
they
09:43
be
09:44
still
09:44
liable
09:45
to
09:45
this?
09:45
If
09:46
we
09:46
had
09:47
say
09:47
copyright
09:48
material
09:48
within
09:48
this
09:49
podcast?
09:50  James
Well,
09:50
that
09:51
should
09:51
be
09:52
a
09:52
cut
09:52
and
09:52
dry
09:53
answer
09:54
of
09:54
yes,
09:55
they
09:55
should
09:55
still
09:55
be
09:55
liable
09:56
probably.
09:57
Bark
09:57
Hudson
09:57
drive
09:58
isn't
09:58
necessarily
10:00
well,
10:01
but
10:01
actually
10:01
it's
10:01
not
10:01
necessarily
10:02
as
10:02
easy
10:03
an
10:03
answer
10:03
is
10:03
that
10:04
I'm
10:04
not,
10:04
I'm
10:04
not
10:04
taking
10:05
the
10:05
Mick
10:05
out
10:05
of
10:05
your
10:05
brand
10:06
new
10:06
haircuts
10:07
at
10:07
all.
10:08
Of
10:08
course,
10:08
I'm
10:08
not
10:08
doing
10:09
that.
10:09
no,
10:09
but
10:09
it
10:09
should
10:09
be
10:09
an
10:10
easy
10:10
answer,
10:10
but
10:10
it
10:10
really
10:11
isn't.
10:11
actually
10:12
the
10:13
problem
10:14
about
10:14
international
10:15
copyright
10:15
is
10:16
that
10:16
there
10:16
is
10:17
kind
10:17
of
10:17
no
10:17
such
10:18
thing.
10:18
there's
10:18
a
10:18
set
10:19
of
10:19
agreements,
10:20
the
10:20
bone
10:20
copyright
10:21
agreement
10:21
But
10:21
actually
10:22
it's
10:22
not
10:22
quite
10:22
as
10:22
easy
10:23
as
10:23
saying,
10:24
well,
10:24
we're
10:25
hosted
10:25
in
10:26
the
10:26
U
10:26
S
10:26
and
10:26
so
10:26
therefore
10:27
it
10:27
doesn't
10:27
matter.
10:28
It
10:28
does
10:28
matter
10:29
because
10:29
Buzzsprout
10:30
make
10:30
their
10:30
podcasts
10:31
available
10:31
to
10:31
people
10:32
in
10:32
the
10:32
UK.
10:33
Do
10:33
they
10:33
market
10:33
them
10:33
to
10:34
people
10:34
in
10:34
the
10:34
UK
10:35
and
10:35
Europe?
10:36
I
10:36
don't
10:36
know.
10:36
do
10:37
we
10:37
market
10:38
them
10:38
into
10:39
Europe
10:39
and
10:39
the
10:39
UK?
10:40
Yes,
10:40
absolutely.
10:41
We
10:41
do.
10:41
And
10:41
so,
10:41
you
10:42
get
10:42
all
10:42
of
10:42
these
10:43
complicated
10:44
and
10:44
confusing
10:44
things
10:45
about
10:45
how,
10:46
if
10:46
you
10:46
listen
10:47
to
10:47
a
10:48
streaming
10:48
radio
10:48
station
10:49
from
10:49
Australia
10:50
in
10:50
the
10:50
UK,
10:51
is
10:51
that
10:51
a
10:51
breach
10:51
of
10:51
copyright
10:52
because
10:52
the
10:52
Australians
10:53
have
10:53
only
10:53
bought
10:54
the
10:54
music
10:54
rights
10:55
for
10:55
Australia.
10:56
And
10:56
weirdly
10:56
the
10:57
answer
10:57
is
10:57
no,
10:57
it's
10:57
not
10:58
a
10:58
breach
10:58
of
10:58
copyright
10:59
unless
11:00
the
11:00
radio
11:00
station
11:01
in
11:01
Australia
11:01
has
11:01
marketed
11:02
to
11:02
you
11:03
in
11:03
the
11:04
UK.
11:05
So
11:05
it's
11:06
not
11:06
quite
11:06
as
11:06
easy
11:06
as
11:06
saying
11:07
yes,
11:07
and
11:07
it's
11:07
not
11:07
quite
11:08
as
11:08
easy
11:08
as
11:08
saying
11:08
no
11:09
brilliant.
11:10
Oh,
11:10  Sam
well
11:11
that
11:11
sounds
11:12
like
11:12
a
11:12
court
11:12
case
11:13
in
11:13
the
11:13
making.
11:13
Then
11:14  James
I
11:14
think
11:14
it,
11:14
I
11:15
think
11:15
it's
11:15
going
11:15
to
11:15
need
11:16
a
11:16
bunch
11:16
of
11:16
court
11:16
cases
11:17
before
11:18
actually
11:18
anybody
11:19
really
11:19
understands
11:20
what
11:20
you
11:20
can
11:20
and
11:21
can't
11:21
do,
11:22
which
11:22
is
11:22
normally
11:23
the
11:23
way
11:23
in
11:23
terms
11:23
of
11:23
any
11:23
new
11:24
law.
11:24
But
11:25
I
11:25
think
11:25
in
11:25
this
11:25
particular
11:26
case,
11:26
it's
11:26
going
11:26
to
11:26
be
11:26
really
11:27
complicated.
11:28  Sam
it
11:28
is
11:29
one
11:29
of
11:29
those
11:29
things
11:29
that
11:29
we've
11:30
talked
11:30
about
11:30
in
11:30
the
11:30
past
11:31
though,
11:32
which
11:32
is,
11:32
podcasts
11:33
are
11:33
being
11:33
put
11:34
up.
11:34
No,
11:34
one's
11:34
policing
11:35
them.
11:35
I
11:35
guess
11:36
they
11:36
are
11:36
going
11:36
to
11:36
have
11:36
to
11:36
police
11:37
them
11:37
now.
11:37
and
11:38
that's
11:38
an
11:38
extra
11:39
cost,
11:39
I
11:39
guess,
11:39
on
11:39
the
11:39
podcasting
11:40
host.
11:40  James
I
11:40
think
11:41
so.
11:41
And
11:41
I
11:41
think
11:41
companies
11:42
like
11:42
PACS
11:42
and
11:43
similar
11:43
companies
11:44
that
11:44
operate
11:45
those
11:45
robots
11:46
that
11:46
sit
11:46
there
11:46
and
11:46
work
11:47
out
11:47
whether
11:47
or
11:47
not
11:47
you've
11:48
put
11:48
a
11:48
Billie
11:48
Eilish
11:49
song
11:49
into
11:49
your
11:49
podcast
11:50
are
11:50
going
11:50
to
11:51
be,
11:51
busy
11:52
and
11:52
in
11:52
the
11:53
money
11:53
and
11:53
that's
11:53
a
11:53
worry,
11:54
but
11:54
it
11:54
also
11:55
means
11:55
of
11:55
course,
11:55
that
11:56
some
11:56
of
11:56
the
11:56
smaller
11:57
podcasters
11:57
are
11:58
going
11:58
to
11:58
go
11:58
away.
11:59
both
11:59
podcast
11:59
hosts
12:00
and
12:00
podcasters,
12:01
because
12:01
they
12:02
won't
12:02
necessarily
12:02
be
12:03
able
12:03
to
12:03
afford
12:03
that.
12:04
So,
12:05
again,
12:05
worthwhile
12:06
having
12:06
a
12:06
lookout
12:06
now,
12:07
and
12:07
in
12:07
fact,
12:08
talking
12:08
about
12:08
podcast
12:09
hosts,
12:10
Sam.
12:10
So
12:11
while
12:11
I
12:11
was
12:11
going
12:11  Sam
to
12:11
say
12:12
anchor
12:13
have
12:14  James
how
12:15
yes.
12:15
Oh,
12:15
you
12:15
said
12:15
anchor
12:16
that's
12:16
all
12:17  Sam
right.
12:17
Yes.
12:18
Well,
12:18
I
12:18
was
12:18
going
12:18
to
12:18
say
12:19
before
12:19
I
12:19
go
12:19
on
12:20
to
12:20
say
12:20
the
12:20
story
12:20
that
12:21
we
12:21
are
12:21
going
12:21
to
12:21
talk
12:21
about
12:21
anchor,
12:22
the
12:22
bit
12:23
the
12:23
anchor
12:23
relates
12:23
to
12:23
the
12:24
last
12:24
story
12:25
is
12:25
the
12:25
fact
12:25
that
12:26
Spotify
12:27
have
12:27
global
12:27
licenses
12:28
for
12:28
playing
12:29
music.
12:30
So
12:30
I'm
12:30
wondering
12:31
whether
12:32
moving
12:32
to
12:32
anchor
12:33
and
12:34
playing
12:34
your
12:35
music
12:35
through
12:36
their
12:36
Spotify
12:37
will
12:38
give
12:38
you
12:38
a
12:38
license
12:39
to
12:39
do
12:39
that.
12:40  James
Well,
12:41
I
12:41
think
12:41
Spotify
12:41
do
12:42
have
12:42
global
12:42
licenses,
12:43
but
12:43
Spotify
12:44
don't
12:44
have
12:44
global
12:45
licenses
12:45
to
12:45
put
12:45
that
12:46
in
12:46
to
12:46
a
12:46
podcast
12:47
and
12:47
make
12:47
a
12:47
derivative
12:48
work
12:48
out
12:48
of
12:48
it.
12:49
And
12:49
I
12:49
think
12:49
that's
12:50
the
12:50
thing.
12:50
So
12:51
you
12:51
have
12:51
a
12:51
look
12:51
at
12:52
Spotify
12:52
is
12:52
shows
12:53
with
12:53
music
12:53
product
12:54
where
12:55
it's
12:56
basically
12:56
a
12:56
big
12:56
long
12:57
playlist
12:58
because
12:58
they
12:58
don't
12:59
have
12:59
the
12:59
licenses
13:00
to
13:00
allow
13:01
you
13:01
to
13:01
take
13:02
that
13:02
song.
13:02
Had
13:02
put
13:03
that
13:03
into
13:03
a
13:04
podcast
13:04
and
13:06
to,
13:06
edit
13:06
it
13:07
and
13:07
do
13:07
stuff
13:07
and
13:08
talk
13:08
over
13:08
it.
13:08
And
13:08
all
13:09
of
13:09
that,
13:09
they've
13:09
only
13:10
got
13:10
the
13:10
license
13:10
to
13:11
play
13:11
it.
13:12
And
13:12
then
13:12
you've
13:12
got
13:12
the
13:13
issue
13:13
of
13:14
Spotify
13:14
is
13:15
based
13:15
on
13:15
a
13:15
per
13:16
play
13:16
basis
13:17
and
13:18
it
13:18
becomes
13:18
very
13:19
difficult
13:19
for
13:19
them
13:19
to
13:20
monitor.
13:21
As
13:21
soon
13:21
as
13:21
you
13:21
have
13:22
individual
13:23
shows
13:23
in
13:23
a
13:23
download.
13:24
So,
13:25
dunno.
13:25  Sam
Well,
13:26
cause
13:26
I
13:26
circumvented
13:27
that
13:27
Spotify
13:28
music
13:28
play
13:29
option.
13:30
So
13:30
using
13:30
the
13:31
road
13:31
connect
13:32
and
13:32
T1
13:33
and
13:33
road
13:34
free
13:34
connect
13:35
software,
13:36
you
13:36
can
13:36
actually
13:37
just
13:37
use
13:38
Spotify
13:38
with
13:39
it.
13:39
So