Vox Conversations

Vox Conversations brings you discussions between the brightest minds and the deepest thinkers; conversations that will cause you to question old assumptions and think about the world and our role in it in a new light. Join Sean Illing, Jamil Smith, and their colleagues across the Vox newsroom for new episodes every Monday and Thursday.



How to forgive

Vox's Sean Illing talks with Elizabeth Bruenig about how hard it is to forgive, how to balance our desire for justice with our humanity, and about how the age-old moral framework of forgiveness has met new challenges in the modern forum of social media.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), Interviews Writer, Vox

Guest: Elizabeth Bruenig (@ebruenig), staff writer, The Atlantic


  • “Not that Innocent” by Elizabeth Bruenig (The Atlantic; June 9)
  • “The Man I Saw Them Kill” by Elizabeth Bruenig (New York Times; Dec. 17, 2020)

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This episode was made by: 

  • Producer: Erikk Geannikis
  • Editor: Amy Drozdowska
  • Engineer: Paul Robert Mounsey
  • VP, Vox Audio: Liz Kelly Nelson

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