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episode 63: Spotify Launches Video Podcasts + Facebook Podcasts Stats and Submission Process [transcript]


In this episode, the crew reminisces on the origins of the Buzzsprout YouTube channel, we discuss several updates to Facebook Podcasts (Google Podcasts), Spotify introducing video podcasts, and reveal the podcast setups that each person uses to record Buzzcast.

YouTube videos we mention:

  • Rode PodMic vs Audio-Technica ATR2100
  • Best Podcast Microphones Under $100
  • How to Start a Podcast: The Step-by-Step Guide [2021]


Boom Arms we mention:

  • Rode PSA 1 and PSA 1+
  • Blue Compass
  • Gator Frameworks
  • OC White with Premium Mount


Alban's Podcast Setup:

  • Shure SM7B
  • OC White
  • Scarlett 2i2 (3rd gen)


Kevin's Podcast Setup:

  • Heil PR40
  • Windscreen
  • PRSM shock mount
  • PSA 1
  • Rodecaster Pro
  • Oneodio Headphones


Travis' Podcast Setup:

  • Rode Procaster
  • WS2 foam cover
  • Rode PSM1 shock mount
  • PSA 1
  • Cloudlifter CL-1
  • Scarlett 2i2 (2nd gen)
  • Audio-Technica ATH-M50x headphones


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 2021-11-05  59m
 
 
00:00  Travis
There's really only one
00:00
thing that I have an issue with
00:02
with the new PSA one plus, and
00:02
that is the NASCAR sized road
00:08
logo. neoprene socks.
00:11  Kevin
Yeah, it does seem like
00:11
one of those things where
00:13
somebody was like copping up
00:13
what this could look like, and
00:17
somebody else walked in, they're
00:17
like, Well, what the logo could
00:20
be bigger, could be bigger, make
00:20
it bigger, make it bigger, and
00:22
they just ended up with a bumper
00:22
sticker.
00:32  Travis
We want to kick off this
00:32
episode with some fun,
00:35
celebratory news, at least I
00:35
think it is. Because I'm
00:37
personally invested in this
00:37
particular milestone, the
00:40
Buzzsprout YouTube channel just
00:40
hit 70,000 subscribers, just
00:45
kind of nuts. Because a couple
00:45
years ago, we had I think, like
00:47
65. So really cool that the
00:47
YouTube channel has grown to
00:52
that size. And we know a lot of
00:52
you guys are subscribed over
00:55
there and watch those videos.
00:55
And so thank you very much for
00:57
that.
00:58  Alban
Yeah, thanks for
00:58
everybody who watched our goofy
01:00
videos and have been along with
01:00
us for the journey, obviously,
01:05
huge shout out to Travis, who
01:05
has spearheaded a ton of the
01:08
YouTube stuff. And Jonathan, who
01:08
also does a ton YouTube as well.
01:13
You know, when we first started,
01:13
we were like, Oh, can we get to
01:15
1000? Can we get to 1000
01:15
subscribers. And now $70,000
01:20
thinking about is when we're
01:20
going to get our little silver
01:22
plaque at 100.
01:24  Travis
That's right. That's
01:24
right. And then we'll be
01:25
official YouTubers. Once we hit
01:28  Alban
that, you'll know that
01:28
we're official YouTubers, if we
01:30
do like the the plaque review,
01:30
right? Isn't that like the
01:33
YouTube thing? They get their
01:33
silver play button and they're
01:36
like, Alright, let's do a
01:36
review. And like, oh, it's made
01:39
out of silver or something. I
01:39
don't know,
01:42  Travis
we'll do an unboxing
01:42
video because that really fits
01:44
with the theme of our channel.
01:44
You know, funny enough, the very
01:48
first video that we did for the
01:48
YouTube channel, once we really
01:52
started focusing on it had an
01:52
unboxing segment in it. We did
01:56
an unboxing of the Rode pod mic
01:56
as a part of that video. And
01:59
when we first recorded it, we
01:59
didn't have like, hardly any
02:02
gear. So the first time I filmed
02:02
it, I used a Logitech webcam. Do
02:08
you remember this Kevin, and I
02:08
recorded the whole thing on a
02:12
Logitech webcam in my phone. And
02:12
I just had like a like an
02:17
iPhone. It wasn't even like a XR
02:17
it was like an iPhone eight or
02:19
something like that. And so
02:19
recording it, editing it putting
02:23
it together. And I finished the
02:23
edit and sets to Kevin. And the
02:28
problem with using a webcam like
02:28
four feet away is that you have
02:33
to do a focus on thing where it
02:33
can't really find your face
02:36
because it's too far away. And
02:36
so like the whole video is going
02:39
in and out of focus the entire
02:39
time. So Kevin's like here just
02:42
use my phone re recorded do the
02:42
video over so we filmed it
02:45
twice. And then the video that
02:45
you see is actually from Kevin's
02:50
iPhone, we need to go back and
02:50
look at
02:51  Alban
some of these videos.
02:52  Kevin
And that Logitech webcam
02:52
is now sitting on my desk and
02:56
I'm looking at
02:58  Travis
Riverside, what was your
02:58
what's been your favorite video
03:01
that you've been a part of so
03:01
far Alban?
03:03  Alban
Um, I don't know the one
03:03
that definitely was not was our
03:06
re recording of how to start a
03:06
podcast where I was running
03:08
behind a car for half of it.
03:10  Travis
I mean, you lost at
03:10
least two pounds recording
03:12
filming that video. Because that
03:12
was was like a two hour, two
03:16
hours and trying to try to get a
03:16
three second segment for that
03:20
video. Yeah,
03:21  Alban
we had a three second
03:21
segment where I think I'm just
03:25
running and making the point
03:25
that you can listen to a podcast
03:27
while running. And we spent an
03:27
entire afternoon with you and
03:31
Jonathan driving by me in a car
03:31
note run to catch up yell my
03:34
line and then like fall behind.
03:37  Travis
Yes, it was it was full
03:37
production. So we were driving
03:41
Jonathan's Nissan LEAF because
03:41
an electric car so you wouldn't
03:44
have like the car noise like the
03:44
mufflers, right exhaust noise in
03:49
the audio. And we had the
03:49
tailgate up and Jonathan was
03:52
sitting in the back with the
03:52
camera filming Alban and I was
03:56
driving the car so I would drive
03:56
at like 11 miles an hour album
04:01
would come over for a lot. It
04:01
felt a lot faster. 11 miles an
04:05
hour. That's like a blow a six
04:05
minute mile. That's pretty,
04:08
that's pretty quick. And so but
04:08
then if you watch some of the
04:11
outtakes, it was tough like
04:11
trying to nail the speed where
04:16
Alban was actually running, but
04:16
you could still hear him. And
04:20
then for the first hour, every
04:20
time we tried to do a three
04:23
point turn, the car would freak
04:23
out, because it had obstacle
04:27
avoidance on and we couldn't
04:27
find figure out what it was
04:30
trying to avoid. But Jonathan's
04:30
legs were hanging over the back.
04:33
And so every single time we
04:33
backed up the car thought we
04:35
were running into a tree, and so
04:35
turn a three point turn into a
04:38
17 point turn to like go back to
04:38
where Alban was and re record
04:42
that was definitely a memorable
04:42
video shoot for sure. Anything
04:47
you want to add to that, Kevin
04:47
just how proud you are of all
04:49
the work that we do and how
04:49
valuable we are to the company
04:52
and you know, just just on
04:52
public record,
04:54  Alban
Travis they're hoping to
04:54
get to sit before reviews.
04:56  Travis
We get reviews coming up
04:56
in January.
05:00  Kevin
When I think back of the
05:00
all the videos that we created,
05:02
I can't help but remember the
05:02
one of the first videos that
05:06
Alban and I did after we started
05:06
all working from home, Alan and
05:09
I went to the office and no one
05:09
else was there was just the two
05:12
of us. And we're trying to
05:12
figure out how to film this best
05:15
microphones for under $100
05:15
video. And we were trying to be
05:19
as responsible as possible and
05:19
have like, at least six feet
05:23
between us at all times or
05:23
whatever so Alban is on camera
05:27
on behind camera and we're like
05:27
how do we get all these mics on
05:29
and off stage and we just
05:29
decided that he would just throw
05:31
them over to our period you
05:31
know, we probably tossed back
05:36
and forth I don't know $15,000
05:36
worth of equipment, but we did a
05:40
good job. didn't drop anything
05:40
we hit a few lights didn't break
05:43
anything. It turned out to be
05:43
one of the really funny video
05:48  Travis
Well didn't you have to
05:48
record it twice?
05:50  Kevin
Yeah, I was recording I
05:50
had the I think we're running it
05:53
through the road caster Pro was
05:53
on the boom arm, but we were
05:56
just we weren't recording from
05:56
that. So yeah, we did like want
05:59
to have time so we had to redo
05:59
all those throws.
06:01  Alban
But then Jonathan, like
06:01
save he said he saved the
06:04
footage. He almost killed the
06:04
whole video because he was like
06:06
the it was so overblown.
06:08  Travis
Yeah, it was the
06:08
exposure was was off the I gotta
06:11
say,
06:11  Alban
this is another this is a
06:11
good example of content matters
06:15
a lot more than, you know, the
06:15
actual techniques. Sometimes
06:19
that videos got 607,000 views.
06:19
Oh, that's, yeah, those are
06:24
complete amateurs filming and
06:24
growing microphones.
06:28  Travis
That's like the
06:28
population of small countries
06:30
right there have watched that
06:30
video of you throwing
06:32
microphones,
06:32  Alban
very small countries. I
06:32
actually there have been
06:35
comments on there from like,
06:35
people that I knew in college.
06:37
They were like, Yeah, I was
06:37
watching a video about a
06:39
microphone and is that Alban?
06:39
What do you do? I did. Well,
06:44
thanks to all 607,000 of you who
06:44
watched that silly video, Kevin
06:49
Knight throwing antique
06:49
microphones and into the lights
06:52
Kevin caught and cry, didn't
06:52
drop any, which was a surprise.
06:57
pretty surprising. On my side,
06:57
knowing how far off the mark I
07:00
was throwing some of them.
07:01  Travis
Yep, so if you want to
07:01
take a trip down memory lane,
07:03
we'll put links to those videos
07:03
that we mentioned in the
07:06
shownotes. And you can go and
07:06
watch Alban right behind the
07:08
car. And there are some
07:08
microphones and you know, see
07:11
our very first and our only
07:11
unboxing video that we've ever
07:14
done. But all that has shown us
07:14
Facebook podcasts dumped into
07:21
the thing that everybody is
07:21
really interested in and wants
07:23
to know about. And information
07:23
just kind of like trickles out.
07:26
They aren't even really
07:26
announcing things. We're kind of
07:28
discovering them on the fly, and
07:28
trying to make sense of it. So
07:31
we do have a small update for
07:31
you as far as Facebook podcasts
07:35
and how it may or may not show
07:35
up in your stats. So Alban,
07:38
what's the what's the new change
07:38
on the stat side, and then we
07:40
can talk about the submission
07:40
process and how that has
07:42
changed?
07:43  Alban
Sure, I mean, the the
07:43
stats thing is something you
07:45
discovered. So I will just relay
07:45
what you have told me, which was
07:50
one of Travis's podcasts that he
07:50
does himself, he all of a sudden
07:53
started seeing more and more
07:53
plays from Facebook, not insane
07:58
amount, but they started started
07:58
seeing more, it was like nine or
08:01
10 per episode. So Tom starts
08:01
digging into the actual plays
08:06
that were being attributed
08:06
Facebook, what do we know how
08:09
many of those plays are unique?
08:09
Is there anything fishy about
08:13
them, because Travis hadn't been
08:13
actually promoting these any
08:17
differently. He wasn't posting
08:17
audio grams, or links or
08:20
anything like that. And they're
08:20
all legit plays, and they were
08:24
all at different places around
08:24
the world. And they were all
08:28
Facebook doing those promotion
08:28
posts. So one of the things that
08:31
Facebook does is you publish a
08:31
new episode, and then they push
08:36
that episode out, kind of like
08:36
its own newsfeed update, maybe
08:40
that's a good way of putting it
08:40
as people could play in the
08:43
newsfeed. And apparently, enough
08:43
people were that those starts
08:48
showing up inside of Travis to
08:48
stats. So you know, it's good to
08:51
see Facebook is pushing more
08:51
updates and getting more and
08:55
more people involved in the
08:55
rollout for Facebook podcasts.
08:59
One is that we were seeing it
08:59
ourselves, too. We looked at the
09:03
Buzzsprout global stats which
09:03
come out at the beginning of the
09:07
month, and we just published a
09:07
new set of those and Facebook
09:10
podcast is up 44% month over
09:10
month, so quite a few more
09:15
people are listening. You know
09:15
that that's a pretty big
09:19
difference, where they're not
09:19
down like 20th. They're now like
09:23
12 or 10 on the list as far as
09:23
largest podcasting apps, and
09:28
we're starting to see more
09:28
countries and more people get
09:31
access to putting their podcasts
09:31
on Facebook.
09:34  Travis
So Kevin, before the new
09:34
Facebook podcast feature rolled
09:37
out, there were ways that you
09:37
could actually have Facebook
09:41
show up and your Buzzsprout
09:41
stats for the last few years.
09:43
What's what's been the main way
09:43
that Facebook would show up as a
09:46
play instead of your Buzzsprout
09:46
stats, like how would we
09:48
actually attribute that?
09:50  Kevin
So historically, what has
09:50
happened is you can drop links
09:52
in Facebook. And if you're, I
09:52
think regardless of whether
09:56
you're on a desktop browser or
09:56
the mobile UI, if you click a
09:58
link that goes to A podcast, a
09:58
webpage that has a podcast
10:03
player on it like an embed
10:03
player or something, then since
10:07
that's happening inside of a
10:07
Facebook web view, then I think
10:11
what happens is that, since the
10:11
referring URL is Facebook, it
10:14
would still be counted in your
10:14
stats as a Facebook play. It's
10:18
different than what's happening
10:18
now. Now that podcast can play
10:21
natively with inside of
10:21
Facebook, but it's going to be
10:24
reflected in your stats the same
10:24
way whether they land on your
10:26
Buzzsprout webpage, for example,
10:26
click play in the embedded
10:29
player, and then play it. Or if
10:29
you're using Facebook's player.
10:33
Either way, we're counting those
10:33
as a Facebook play. Since
10:36
Facebook is the source of that
10:36
play, we felt it was the most
10:39
accurate way to represent it.
10:41  Travis
And I think Instagram
10:41
works in a similar fashion. Yes,
10:44
that if you have like a swipe
10:44
up, Instagram story that goes to
10:47
a podcast, or if it's the link
10:47
in your bio, that that would
10:51
also that would be attributed to
10:51
Instagram for the same reasons.
10:54
That's correct. Yep. And then
10:54
the other thing that is new
10:57
about Facebook, other than them
10:57
starting to actually attribute
10:59
plays from inside of their
10:59
podcast feature is the way that
11:03
you can claim your podcast and
11:03
Facebook's and talk about what
11:07
they rolled out initially. And
11:07
then what is the the current way
11:10
that you can do it?
11:11  Alban
Initially, Facebook was
11:11
doing something special, I've no
11:15
idea how they were doing it. I
11:15
don't know if this is a totally
11:18
manual process, or they had some
11:18
algorithm trying to figure it
11:22
out. But they were finding
11:22
podcasts on the internet, and
11:26
then guessing what podcast page
11:26
they could be connected to. And
11:32
in the beginning, they were you
11:32
know, they did well, they found
11:35
two of our shows, and they said,
11:35
Hey, Are these yours and they
11:37
attached to the Buzzsprout page
11:37
and was great. And just today I
11:41
went and removed about 45 other
11:41
podcasts that nothing to do with
11:45
us, except that they were hosted
11:45
on Buzzsprout. And those were
11:48
connected to our account. So it
11:48
wasn't a perfect process. Then
11:52
Facebook just you know,
11:52
ultimately decided to add RSS
11:58
compatibility so that you could
11:58
submit your RSS feed. So now if
12:02
you go to a podcast page, and
12:02
you click on the podcasts tab,
12:06
over on the left, there's
12:06
actually a add a podcast button.
12:11
And you can drop in your RSS
12:11
feed and add it to your page. So
12:16
we've been waiting for this for
12:16
like six months, and is really
12:19
excited to see this rolling out.
12:19
And you will then confirm your
12:23
podcast, every podcast feed has
12:23
like an email address in it. And
12:26
so they'll send you a code and
12:26
then you'll go and you'll grab
12:29
that code and you'll confirm.
12:29
But once that's done, the
12:31
podcast is attached to your page
12:31
and will automatically generate
12:35
these little shareable posts
12:35
that, you know, encourage people
12:39
to listen on Facebook. I think
12:39
it's great. Go ahead and do it.
12:44
And now that this is out, we're
12:44
finally ready for Travis Knight
12:48
to go and create a blog post and
12:48
create a video and talk about it
12:51
some more here and start getting
12:51
this content out to the world.
12:54
Because I know for a long time
12:54
everyone's been asking how do I
12:57
get on Facebook? And the answer
12:57
was so kind of mealy mouthed
13:02
that we didn't have anything to
13:02
say. We're like, Oh, if they
13:05
email you, you'll get in now
13:05
that you can actually go and
13:08
proactively do this. And you
13:08
could start seeing if maybe some
13:12
of your potential audience is on
13:12
Facebook. This
13:15  Kevin
brings up a question that
13:15
a lot of people have asked over
13:18
time, should I create a Facebook
13:18
page or a Facebook group. And
13:22
typically, our recommendation
13:22
has been a group because
13:25
Facebook does a lot to drive
13:25
interaction on groups. But this
13:28
is a great reason to start a
13:28
page. And so would our advice
13:31
now change to both, you should
13:31
probably do both. You should
13:35
have a page that you can list
13:35
your podcast, and then you can
13:37
share those posts. But if you're
13:37
really looking for interaction
13:40
and community, then group is the
13:40
way to go. It's kind of a
13:42
question. I'm kind of answering
13:42
it. But I want to hear you guys
13:45
thoughts on
13:45  Alban
there's a few ways you
13:45
can do it. I think you're 100%.
13:48
Right, Kevin, you've got to have
13:48
a page and a group. That's the
13:51
ultimate way to go. They don't
13:51
have to be both named after the
13:55
podcast. You know, when you've
13:55
had Facebook for as long as you
13:59
know, Travis and I probably have
13:59
now having started on when we
14:03
were in college. And now I don't
14:03
know about you, Travis. I met
14:06
like 15 years at Facebook. And
14:06
that's enough for me, right? So
14:10
people have recommended they're
14:10
like, Hey, if you're not really
14:12
using it to communicate with
14:12
people you knew in high school
14:16
or something, maybe go ahead and
14:16
delete your Facebook account,
14:19
create a Facebook page. And it's
14:19
a way for you to interact with
14:23
people but you're not really
14:23
doing as many it's like poking
14:26
and tagging and photos and
14:27  Travis
stuff. That's my
14:27
favorite is poking. Why they
14:30
don't plug back.
14:31  Alban
Right? Exactly. So
14:31
creating a Facebook page for
14:35
your yourself is a way of kind
14:35
of starting fresh, but also now
14:41
have a presence on Facebook get
14:41
people need to reach out. So you
14:45
could do that and attach your
14:45
podcast to your personal page.
14:49
And then you could have Facebook
14:49
podcast Facebook group for the
14:53
podcast community and you could
14:53
engage as yourself. So that's
14:57
maybe a way to get around having
14:57
like The Buzzcast Group and the
15:01
Buzzcast Facebook page, and then
15:01
the Travis Albritton page, like,
15:05
all that combined could be a
15:05
little bit much. So maybe look
15:09
at creating a professional page
15:09
for yourself, and then a group
15:13
for the podcast. So you can
15:13
leverage all of the benefits of
15:18
these different Facebook
15:18
features.
15:21  Travis
Yeah, and you can
15:21
connect pages and groups to each
15:23
other. So like, you can connect
15:23
a page to a group, the way that
15:27
we have in the Buzzsprout,
15:27
community, like will interact as
15:30
Buzzsprout, the page inside of
15:30
the Buzzsprout group. And so
15:34
those are linked together. And
15:34
then on the page, you can also
15:36
see the list of Facebook groups
15:36
that are connected to that page.
15:39
So they do kind of connect to
15:39
each other. And so like, if you
15:44
haven't created a Facebook page
15:44
to this point, but you have a
15:46
group, you can connect the page
15:46
and like point people in that
15:49
direction, and vice versa. So
15:49
something else that you can do,
15:53
especially if you're like just
15:53
creating a page, and nobody's
15:55
following you yet, then this
15:55
Facebook strategy isn't really
15:59
gonna work. Nobody is following
15:59
the page where they're creating
16:02
these these shareable audio
16:02
episodes. Does that answer your
16:05
question? Kev? Yeah. Okay,
16:05
listen, all
16:09  Kevin
this. I'm like, Oh, my
16:09
gosh, man, I'm so old. Because I
16:13
would not do all that stuff.
16:13
That sounds like,
16:15  Alban
yeah, me either. I would
16:15
do this.
16:19  Travis
But if you want to, this
16:19
is how you do it. This is how
16:21
you do it.
16:22  Alban
All right, well,
16:22
Facebook's in a weird spot,
16:24
because you have to be
16:24
simultaneously old to want to do
16:28
it and like young enough to have
16:28
the energy to do it. And I just
16:31
don't know who's in that target
16:31
market. I feel like Facebook was
16:34
made for my generation. And
16:34
we're over it. And if Kevin's
16:39
generations not into it, and no
16:39
one younger than us is into it.
16:43
Like who's, who's using it?
16:45  Travis
That's a great question.
16:45
I don't know. Great question.
16:47
Maybe
16:47  Kevin
that's what's the
16:47
thinking behind the big shift?
16:50
Like they're not going to be
16:50
Facebook anymore. They're going
16:52
to be meta, and they're moving
16:52
in a whole new
16:54  Alban
direction we need to get
16:54
on meta podcasts.
16:56  Travis
That's right. Can you
16:56
imagine virtual reality Buzzcast
16:59
Just hanging out with the three
16:59
of us in the studio, our virtual
17:02
avatars talking to each other?
17:02
Great.
17:04  Alban
That's the last thing I
17:04
want to do.
17:08  Travis
Because video Buzzcast
17:08
was such a hit. Let's let's make
17:10
fake versions of that. Do that
17:10
instead.
17:14  Kevin
You know, I was just this
17:14
morning, I was just listening to
17:16
the dithering podcast, which is
17:16
a great podcast, if you haven't
17:19
heard it, it's a subscription
17:19
only podcast. So I like putting
17:22
the name out there. And when
17:22
people check it out, I want to
17:24
support people who are making
17:24
money in podcasting. And so the
17:28
guys on dithering were talking
17:28
about, they think their take on
17:31
it was the most interesting
17:31
thing from that Facebook
17:33
presentation was the idea of
17:33
solving the problem of presence,
17:36
like the idea that we're in
17:36
Riverside, right now, we can see
17:39
each other, but it doesn't feel
17:39
like we're in the same room. And
17:42
one of the big problems that the
17:42
Facebook team Zuckerberg, under
17:47
the new corporate name of metta
17:47
is looking to solve is this
17:49
problem of presence, so that you
17:49
can actually go into a more
17:53
virtual environment, an
17:53
augmented reality environment,
17:56
and you actually feel like
17:56
you're in the same room or space
17:58
as the people that you're
17:58
interacting with. That could be
18:01
amazing for podcasting. And it's
18:01
probably yours out. But it is a
18:05
very interesting problem. It is
18:05
something that they seem to
18:07
gloss over pretty quickly. But
18:07
that might actually be the most
18:12
interesting thing of all these
18:12
big problems that they're
18:14
they're trying to solve. I mean,
18:14
can you imagine if you had the
18:17
ability to sit down and
18:17
interview somebody for your
18:19
podcast, but it didn't feel like
18:19
I'm talking to them on a screen,
18:23
it actually felt like I'm
18:23
sitting in the same room as
18:25
them. So you get to see body
18:25
language and all this stuff.
18:29
It's just it's just it would
18:29
feel different. Right? And it
18:32
would open up a whole new world
18:32
of possibilities, especially,
18:35
you know, in the work that we do
18:35
in the podcasting space.
18:38  Travis
Yeah, well, once we
18:38
figure out how to add blockchain
18:40
to the Buzzsprout product
18:40
somehow, then we'll add AR, and
18:44
then we'll just be will be
18:44
futurists will be cutting edge
18:47
podcasting, tech,
18:48  Alban
it is surprising to me
18:48
how much wearing some goofy
18:51
Oculus classes can make you feel
18:51
like you're somewhere else. I
18:55
mean, you put them on for like a
18:55
minute, and you feel like you're
18:59
somewhere that's not your living
18:59
room anymore. And it's just,
19:04
it's a weird experience to do it
19:04
for just a minute. And so I
19:09
could totally see, like trying
19:09
to interview somebody and have
19:13
these glasses on, and it could
19:13
actually make for a much better
19:17
feeling of engagement with
19:17
somebody else. You know, when
19:19
you're on a camera, it's very
19:19
easy, like you've got the
19:22
internet right there. And it's
19:22
easy to pull up email and kind
19:25
of get into something else or
19:25
look at your phone and not feel
19:29
as engaged. When you've got
19:29
those AR glasses on. You're
19:32
totally immersed in the moment.
19:32
And you could feel like you were
19:35
in a professional recording
19:35
environment sitting right across
19:39
this, you know, the table from
19:39
your guest or the other host. It
19:44
could make for a cool way to
19:44
record a podcast. And I mean,
19:47
that's what I keep hearing from
19:47
anybody uses any of the I think
19:52
Microsoft has a solution for
19:52
this. That everybody who's uses
19:55
them actually says it kind of
19:55
feels like I'm in the same
19:57
office like these meetings
19:57
aren't as I don't have as much
20:00
like zoom fatigue when I'm in a
20:00
VR space with somebody else kind
20:05
of just chatting throughout the
20:05
day. So maybe, maybe someday we
20:09
will be in the metaverse
20:09
recording podcast. But until
20:12
then, we will be using squad
20:12
cast and Riverside. Not the
20:16
metaverse yet, but we're on our
20:16
way.
20:21  Kevin
I was in the Facebook
20:21
group the other day, and
20:23
somebody asked a question about
20:23
Apple podcasts. And I guess they
20:27
were browsing, subscribe to a
20:27
podcast. And they were surprised
20:30
because the podcast started
20:30
playing video. And they had not
20:33
seen that before an apple
20:33
podcast. So they hopped into the
20:35
Facebook group and throw a
20:35
question out, hey, is this new?
20:38
How do I do this is this invite
20:38
only, and there was some
20:41
dialogue back and forth. And so
20:41
I popped in and provided some
20:44
color around it. So Apple has
20:44
done video podcasts for a very
20:48
long time. I don't know exactly
20:48
when they started, but they
20:51
built it on the RSS spec just
20:51
the same way that audio podcasts
20:55
exists. So we've linked in your
20:55
RSS file through Buzzsprout. We
20:58
link to an audio file, you could
20:58
link to a video file. And then
21:01
the video would play when
21:01
somebody follows you and Apple
21:04
podcasts. It's just something
21:04
that's never really caught on.
21:08
And we can talk about, like
21:08
different theories for why it's
21:11
come on or why it hasn't. I
21:11
think what was so interesting
21:14
about this is that or why it
21:14
spurred interest in the in the
21:17
Facebook group was that Spotify
21:17
has recently added video. And
21:23
this is different. So the way
21:23
that they're doing it is not
21:25
following the RSS spec. It's
21:25
their proprietary implementation
21:29
of video podcasts. And I
21:29
speculated that I believe it
21:33
probably had something to do
21:33
with the Joe Rogan deal. So when
21:36
Spotify signed Joe Rogan, he had
21:36
a very popular YouTube presence.
21:41
And when Spotify wanted that
21:41
exclusive agreement with them,
21:43
they wanted that exclusivity to
21:43
cover video as well. So they
21:45
want to take down all of his
21:45
content off of YouTube. And I'm
21:48
sure him or hers people's
21:48
response to that was, where are
21:52
we going to put our video
21:52
content, we have to put it
21:53
somewhere. Spotify said, oh,
21:53
we'll build it into our app.
21:57
We'll move all that video
21:57
content over. And so it began
22:00
that Spotify now can play video
22:00
content. And so since I imagined
22:05
since they built it for him,
22:05
they now want to roll it out and
22:07
give it to some other popular
22:07
shows as well. That right now is
22:10
invite only. We don't I haven't
22:10
heard anything about how
22:14
successful it is like how many
22:14
people are actually engaging in
22:16
video there. But I do know this,
22:16
that just within the past few
22:20
months, Joe Rogan's video
22:20
content has started reappearing
22:23
on YouTube. Not full episodes.
22:23
Of course, those are still
22:27
exclusive to Spotify. But the
22:27
clips, which I think was like
22:30
the most popular of all the Joe
22:30
Rogan content that lived on
22:33
YouTube, those clips are coming
22:33
back. So anyway, I thought it
22:37
was interesting that I throw it
22:37
out to you guys see what your
22:40
thoughts are?
22:41  Travis
Well, it brings up the
22:41
old you know, to record video or
22:43
not to record video discussion,
22:43
right? Everyone wants to know,
22:47
should I use YouTube to expand
22:47
the audience of my podcast, and
22:51
it really depends on how much
22:51
time you want to invest in it.
22:53
We have a video podcast,
22:53
Podcasting Q&A. And then we have
22:56
this one which we, you know,
22:56
played around with doing video
22:59
and then ultimately decided the
22:59
format's better suited for audio
23:03
only. And so this is just like,
23:03
the newest version of that
23:07
question is should I start
23:07
recording video for my podcast,
23:11
to potentially try and get it on
23:11
to Spotify. And there's not a
23:15
lot I could say that would give
23:15
you confidence that it would be
23:18
worth your time. Especially if
23:18
you're thinking about a
23:20
listening app that now has video
23:20
versus a video platform where
23:26
you're posting video, it's just
23:26
a completely different user
23:29
experience. And so I have a hard
23:29
time thinking that someone's
23:32
going to sit there and stare at
23:32
their phone, watching a video
23:35
podcast on Spotify. I just have
23:35
a really hard time seeing that
23:40
kind of consumption behavior on
23:40
that platform.
23:42  Alban
Yeah. And the reason that
23:42
that seems unlikely is not
23:45
because people won't stare at
23:45
their phone. The reason it seems
23:49
unlikely is because what is the
23:49
job? What's the thing you're
23:52
looking for? And the thing
23:52
you're looking for is a video,
23:57
or people pull up YouTube. If
23:57
you're thinking I'm going to
23:59
listen to something you pick up
23:59
Spotify. And so if you want to
24:04
watch a interview between two
24:04
people, well, you're expecting
24:09
that to be on YouTube, if you
24:09
want a longer video that's going
24:12
to be on YouTube. And so it's
24:12
what are people already doing
24:16
when they want to engage with
24:16
the content you're creating, and
24:19
to go through all this work to
24:19
record video to edit video to do
24:23
everything with these heavy
24:23
files. And then for the ultimate
24:28
thing for you to throw it up on
24:28
an app that isn't really for
24:32
video, at least right now. And
24:32
if Spotify makes a big push for
24:35
it, maybe someday, in the
24:35
future, it will be also thought
24:38
of as a video app. But in the
24:38
short term, it's not. And so if
24:44
I was we're ever going to
24:44
reengage doing video content for
24:48
our podcasts, it would 100% be
24:48
on YouTube. So we just rewrote
24:53
our guide on podcasting on
24:53
YouTube. And you know our
25:00
recommendations here haven't
25:00
changed a whole lot. The way to
25:03
do it is the way that h3 Does it
25:03
that Joe Rogan did. It's the way
25:09
that similar to even how think
25:09
media does their podcasting
25:14
channel. It's how waveform MKBHD
25:14
does this podcast, you have a
25:20
main channel, that is for the
25:20
visual video of your podcast,
25:25
and it's edited, it maybe has a
25:25
quick little intro and outro.
25:30
But it's the full video. And
25:30
then you know, people are
25:33
unlikely to watch a full 45
25:33
minutes or up to in some cases
25:37
three hour video. So you find
25:37
the most exciting parts and you
25:42
chop those into five minutes,
25:42
and you put those on a separate
25:44
clips channel. And then both
25:44
them anytime that you have those
25:49
you link out to a normal
25:49
podcast. And that is still kind
25:54
of the gold standard. There's
25:54
probably things you can do
25:59
better than some of these other
25:59
options that, you know, making
26:02
really good thumbnails, making
26:02
sure that people understand what
26:06
kind of content they're engaging
26:06
with, that all is really
26:09
valuable. But kind of setting up
26:09
those two separate channels. And
26:12
then linking out to the podcast
26:12
itself is really the way to run
26:18
a podcast on YouTube. So what
26:18
I'm more interested in is the
26:25
moves that YouTube has kind of
26:25
been making around podcasts, we
26:29
know that somebody inside of
26:29
YouTube was just promoted to
26:32
like running all their podcasts.
26:32
And I don't know if that means
26:37
that this will be a person who's
26:37
kind of a liaison with just all
26:41
of the major podcasts that are
26:41
kind of YouTube primary shows,
26:45
or if there will be new
26:45
offerings from YouTube. So I'll
26:49
be interested to see what they
26:49
do. Because it seems like going
26:54
from the heavier video side, and
26:54
then moving into the audio
26:58
actually makes a lot more sense
26:58
than the other way around. Going
27:01
from, hey, we're Spotify, we do
27:01
audio, maybe we'll do video two,
27:07
that feels like a heavier ask
27:07
not just for the company, but
27:10
also training your existing user
27:10
base. So I would maybe say, make
27:18
sure you're on YouTube, but then
27:18
also kind of keep an eye out for
27:21
what moves we see from YouTube
27:21
in the future.
27:24  Kevin
Yeah, I think that's a
27:24
really interesting point that
27:27
you brought up the idea that
27:27
right now on our mobile devices,
27:32
which is where most of this
27:32
content is consumed, whether it
27:35
be audio or video, we're very
27:35
much living in this world,
27:38
still, where apps have like a
27:38
primary role, right, a primary
27:42
job to be done. And so I think
27:42
that's, that's very interesting.
27:46
And I was just racking my brain
27:46
as you were talking, trying to
27:49
think about an app that's kind
27:49
of made the jump, and not
27:52
necessarily just switched from
27:52
one to the other, but one that
27:54
does, both. I haven't been able
27:54
to think of one. But the idea
27:59
that when I launch Spotify, it's
27:59
because I'm getting into some,
28:04
some circumstance in which I
28:04
want to listen to something but
28:07
not initially watch something.
28:07
And the opposite applies when I
28:10
load up YouTube, right? But I
28:10
rarely find myself like popping
28:14
down on the couch, and then
28:14
firing up Spotify. That's just
28:16
not where I engage. I don't
28:16
engage Spotify at all. But it's
28:19
not where I don't plop on the
28:19
couch and fire up my podcasting
28:22
app, or fire up a music app. I
28:22
do those things when I'm getting
28:27
ready to go walk the dog, or I'm
28:27
getting in my car to go for a
28:29
drive or I'm going to the gym
28:29
and I'm gonna exercise and it's
28:33
just very different. Like this
28:33
the same thing. I'm not gonna go
28:37
out to walk the dog and fire up
28:37
a game on my phone because that
28:39
requires too much attention.
28:39
Right? Like, that's where I want
28:43
to listen to something instead
28:43
of engaging something with my
28:45
eyes or hands. So you're
28:46  Travis
not playing Frogger as
28:46
you cross the street. I'm not
28:51
miss an Alice Braga. That's
28:51
that's the AR VR blend right
28:54
there. You are the frog.
28:58  Kevin
Yeah. And so another
28:58
interesting point is that like
29:03
Apple podcasts, and I'm sure,
29:03
maybe some of this exists in
29:06
Spotify as well, like in Apple,
29:06
not Apple podcast, but Apple
29:09
Music. I'm sorry, you can watch
29:09
music videos, but I don't ever
29:14
watch music videos in there. I
29:14
only listen to music. I don't
29:18
watch music. I don't know if
29:18
Spotify has music videos or not.
29:22
But I imagine it would be a
29:22
similar type of shift, right?
29:26
It's this cognitive shift that
29:26
you have to make. What am I
29:29
doing that I'm going to engage
29:29
this app? And then what are my
29:31
expectations from it? So it'll
29:31
be interesting to see if Spotify
29:34
can pull off the shift. But I
29:34
would have to agree with Alban
29:37
and Travis both that if you're
29:37
doing video content right now
29:40
and you're looking for
29:40
consumption, you're looking for
29:41
the largest audience and the
29:41
most engagement then it has to
29:45
be YouTube first. And then I
29:45
mean, I guess there's no harm in
29:49
putting it in other channels,
29:49
but I just wouldn't expect to
29:51
see big numbers there.
29:52  Alban
And the value always
29:52
seems to come when you make
29:55
stuff native. I mean, this is
29:55
something we are going to
29:58
struggle through I'm sure when
29:58
we try launch this tic toc
30:01
channel, if we ever do is
30:01
probably re filming all of the
30:06
hundreds of videos that we've
30:06
made as Tiktok native video,
30:11
spent an afternoon trying to
30:11
see, you know, how can I get the
30:14
dimensions right? Can I edit
30:14
these videos down. And by the
30:19
time I'd done it, I'd gone Oh,
30:19
even easier just to refilm this
30:23
native to Tic Toc, you know, the
30:23
benefit is every medium wants
30:28
slightly different content. And
30:28
so you really want to make sure
30:32
you're making the content for
30:32
that medium. And sometimes that
30:37
actually means the medium is
30:37
actually different inside the
30:42
same app. And so in Spotify,
30:42
saying, Hey, we have this medium
30:45
of audio listening, now we're
30:45
going to try this visual medium,
30:49
that's a pretty difficult shift,
30:49
and the people aren't there yet.
30:53
And so, as a podcaster, you're
30:53
trying to make that jump as well
30:57
make the jump with somebody
30:57
who's already figured out
30:59
exactly how this works, like a
30:59
YouTube, or let you know, like
31:04
many of the social media
31:04
platforms that have figured out
31:07
how to make visual content work,
31:07
I would invest where it's kind
31:11
of our unknown quantity, because
31:11
you're gonna have to learn it,
31:14
rather than learning along with
31:14
the platform.
31:19  Travis
So we don't do very many
31:19
gear review segments on
31:23
Buzzcast. Because typically,
31:23
that's more of like a visual
31:26
thing you want to see the gear,
31:26
but most of you listening have
31:30
seen a boom arm. It's like an
31:30
articulating arm that holds your
31:33
microphone and you can use it to
31:33
position the microphone close to
31:35
your face. Alright. And there's
31:35
a lot out there. And Rohde just
31:40
sent us their newest one throat
31:40
POC one plus, and we thought
31:45
that'd be a good excuse to talk
31:45
about the various boom arms that
31:48
we use in the studio, and then
31:48
maybe even talk about our
31:52
podcast setups at large. So
31:52
Kevin, you're the one that has
31:55
the box for the PSA one plus,
31:55
what what stands out to you
31:59
between that and the PSA one,
31:59
which is the the boom arm that
32:04
is probably the one we recommend
32:04
the most and the one that we see
32:06
a lot of podcasters using?
32:08  Kevin
Yeah, well the PSA one
32:08
has been our at least my
32:11
favorite boom arm, I think you
32:11
guys like it a lot as well. For
32:16
$100 It's it's really hard to
32:16
find a better boom arm in terms
32:20
of like the utility of it, it is
32:20
not the most beautiful boom arm.
32:24
So if you're worried about the
32:24
aesthetics, or if you're doing a
32:26
video podcast, taking pictures,
32:26
or if you're really just into
32:30
how your desk looks, it might
32:30
not fit your aesthetic. But I
32:34
have a hard time I don't think
32:34
I've ever come across anybody
32:36
who said it doesn't function
32:36
perfectly. Like you can put any
32:40
mic on this, whether it's a
32:40
super lightweight mic, or very
32:43
heavy mic, anything in between,
32:43
you clamp this thing onto your
32:46
desk, and then it stays exactly
32:46
where you put it. It doesn't
32:50
have built in cable management,
32:50
but it comes with these little
32:52
Velcro strap velcro straps. And
32:52
it just works. Like I've had
32:57
this thing sitting on my desk.
32:57
This thing's probably three
32:59
years old. Now. It doesn't
32:59
creak. It doesn't make noise, it
33:03
doesn't drift. It does exactly
33:03
what you need to do, and stays
33:06
out of the way. Now, what
33:06
they've done is they've
33:09
introduced the PSA one plus,
33:09
which is, in some ways, you
33:16
know, you look at it, and you're
33:16
like, Yeah, it's pretty much the
33:19
same old PSA one. So I think
33:19
there was a slight level of
33:23
disappointment, when I first saw
33:23
what they were announcing,
33:26
because they've done such a
33:26
great job with the PSA. One
33:31
original, not the plus the
33:31
original version, I was like,
33:34
oh, whatever they make next is
33:34
just going to be better, right?
33:38
And they knocked it out of the
33:38
park on the original. Well, what
33:40
they did is they just added
33:40
these, we were joking, we're
33:43
calling them like socks, they're
33:43
like neoprene sleeves that go
33:46
around the arm itself, just to
33:46
make it look a little bit
33:48
better, give you a little bit
33:48
more cable management, they've
33:53
they've improved the springs
33:53
that are inside of it. So
33:55
they've just made these slight
33:55
improvements, and it does look a
33:57
little bit better. But at the
33:57
end of the day, it's kind of the
34:00
same thing. And so at first I
34:00
was kind of like, Oh, well
34:02
that's that's not super
34:02
exciting. But then as I
34:05
reflected on it a little bit
34:05
more, I landed in this place of
34:09
like I might have been upset if
34:09
they tried to do too much
34:11
different because really, for me
34:11
anyway, they already had the
34:14
perfect boom arm they had the
34:14
best boom arm. And so if they
34:18
had drifted away to something
34:18
that, you know, was more a tube
34:22
like structure with internal
34:22
cable management or something
34:24
like that. I'm sure they tried
34:24
and tested all of those things.
34:27
There's probably reasons why we
34:27
have issues with those types of
34:32
boom arms, because at the end of
34:32
the day, they do have mic drift,
34:34
they do make more noise, they
34:34
are a little bit more heavy.
34:37
They don't you know, travel as
34:37
easy or whatever. And so I've
34:40
kind of landed in this place of
34:40
well, this isn't as exciting as
34:43
I kind of hoped it would be. I
34:43
think it was probably a really
34:47
wise move. And they were able to
34:47
keep the price point low. So now
34:50
the original is $99 and the new
34:50
one I think is how much is it?
34:53
129 or 139? Yep, 129 us 129. So
34:53
for $30 more, it's a nice
34:59
improvement. To what I would
34:59
consider to be my favorite boom
35:02
arm available for podcasting.
35:04  Travis
It's kind of like when
35:04
Apple releases a new iPhone, but
35:07
it's the same hardware like the
35:07
same shell, the same casing,
35:10
same dimensions, and they're
35:10
just updating the chip, updating
35:13
the camera, that kind of stuff.
35:13
There's really only one thing
35:16
that I have an issue with with
35:16
the new PSA one plus, and that
35:20
is the NASCAR sized road logo.
35:20
neoprene socks. So if you want
35:27
to, like show off and be like,
35:27
yeah, like, I may or may not be
35:31
sponsored by Rode Microphones,
35:31
then it's wonderful. But if
35:36
you're really trying to promote
35:36
your own brand, maybe get like
35:39
some electrical tape or some
35:39
black gaffers tape, and cover up
35:42
that giant road logo. And then
35:42
even if there was like different
35:47
color socks, like that could be
35:47
that could be interesting. But
35:51
yeah, that's that's my only beef
35:51
with it is the very, very
35:54
prominent road branding.
35:57  Kevin
Yeah, it is, it does seem
35:57
like one of those things where
35:59
somebody was like, comping up
35:59
what this could look like. And
36:04
somebody else walked in, they're
36:04
like, Well, what the logo could
36:07
be bigger, could be bigger, make
36:07
it bigger, make it bigger, and
36:09
they just ended up with a bumper
36:09
sticker.
36:14  Travis
A double bumper sticker,
36:14
because it's on Yeah, both it's
36:16
on both sides, both sides and on
36:16
both, because it's essentially
36:20
like two arms with the joint in
36:20
the middle. And so you actually
36:24
have the road logo four times,
36:24
it's hard to miss hard to miss.
36:28
So that's the road. Now there
36:28
are other boom arms that we have
36:32
tested, that we've tried. And
36:32
they all have various pros and
36:36
cons. So the other one that's at
36:36
that $99 price point is one that
36:40
Blue Microphones makes. It's
36:40
their blue compass arm, and that
36:44
one is different from the PSA
36:44
one, the one that road makes,
36:48
because it just looks like a
36:48
tube, it kind of has that. That
36:52
aesthetic of those professional
36:52
radio broadcast boom arms where
36:55
all the cable management is
36:55
internal, and it's really clean
36:59
looking. And it's designed to go
36:59
with like the Blue Yeti in their
37:03
line of microphones. But it
37:03
doesn't actually have internal
37:07
cable management. Instead, it
37:07
has this little like channel
37:10
that runs along the top that you
37:10
put the cable in. So it kind of
37:14
looks like internal cable
37:14
management, but not really. But
37:18
the big drawback of that boom
37:18
arm is compared to the PSA one,
37:23
it's really hard to get the
37:23
tension, right, yeah. So if you
37:27
have a really heavy microphone,
37:27
then it travels a lot. It's like
37:33
you'll keep it in one place. And
37:33
then over time, the springs will
37:36
like gradually shift the
37:36
position in the microphone. And
37:39
then if you have a lighter
37:39
microphone, like a cue to you,
37:42
it's hard to crank it down hard
37:42
enough to get it to stay put. So
37:47
like you'll position the boom
37:47
arm, and then the microphone
37:50
will go up by six inches when
37:50
you let go. And so that even
37:54
though it kind of looks nice,
37:54
it's hard to really get it to
37:57
stay exactly where you want it
37:57
to stay, which is, you know, you
38:01
gotta you gotta cross the bar of
38:01
doing what a boom arm does
38:04
before, it's something we'd
38:04
recommend.
38:06  Alban
I think that it was
38:06
initially created to be the boom
38:09
arm for the Blue Yeti, which is
38:09
a pretty dang heavy microphone.
38:13
So I imagine that they designed
38:13
it with that in mind. And then
38:18
we're not using a Blue Yeti. And
38:18
so we're using much lighter
38:22
microphones. And so even though
38:22
we release the tension out of
38:27
springs to make it not bounce as
38:27
much, and then crank down the
38:31
little knobs, it still wasn't
38:31
working. So I like the aesthetic
38:36
of that one. But over time, like
38:36
you know, the Instagram shot,
38:40
you took one time to look good,
38:40
that mattered one time, the fact
38:44
that the boom arm keeps moving
38:44
away from my mouth, that lasts
38:48
forever. So you want to make
38:48
sure that yeah, it looks cool.
38:52
But the PSA one for a long time
38:52
was kind of the best option we
38:57
had because it least it
38:57
performed that job of the boom
39:00
arm, boom arm job really, really
39:00
well. And no matter what the
39:05
weight was, it always seemed
39:05
like you're able to get it in
39:08
the exact right position.
39:09  Kevin
Yeah, and following that
39:09
line of thinking if the if the
39:13
blue campus arm was designed for
39:13
the Yeti, which it probably was,
39:16
that makes a lot of sense. Then
39:16
it was designed to hold a
39:20
condenser microphone, which is
39:20
not what we all use. We all use
39:23
dynamic microphones dynamic
39:23
microphones need to be
39:25
positioned, you know about four
39:25
inches from your mouth. And
39:29
condenser microphones can be
39:29
much further away, you know a
39:32
couple of feet and it doesn't
39:32
really matter if once you put it
39:34
in that position if it moves an
39:34
inch or two if it drifts doesn't
39:37
matter. So it might be a
39:37
perfectly fine boom arm for
39:40
people who use condenser
39:40
microphones, especially if you
39:43
use the Blue Yeti specifically.
39:43
But that's not no that's not any
39:46
of us. We all use dynamics we
39:46
need him in this specific place
39:50
and he didn't stay there. So
39:50
wasn't a boom arm that works for
39:52
us.
39:53  Travis
Now Kevin last year, you
39:53
stumbled onto a new boom arm
39:56
that I hadn't seen before. By
39:56
Gator frameworks which looks
40:01
similar to the yellow tech, kind
40:01
of high end, boom arms FB,
40:05
professionally installed and
40:05
like cables soldered into place
40:09
where it had that internal cable
40:09
management had the nice tube
40:12
aesthetic. What was your
40:12
experience using that one?
40:15  Kevin
Yeah, so I like that one
40:15
a lot. It was somewhere in
40:18
between the the blue boom arm
40:18
and the PSA one, in that it had
40:24
the great aesthetics and looks
40:24
of the blue boom arm. As you
40:28
mentioned, the yellow tech arms
40:28
are like, they look amazing, and
40:31
it kind of had that same look.
40:31
But it functioned more like the
40:34
PSA one, like it didn't drift as
40:34
much it held in a position that
40:37
you want it to, but it wasn't as
40:37
nice as the PSA one. And so I
40:42
used it a couple times in the
40:42
office. And then at the end of
40:45
the day, I ended up just coming
40:45
back to the PSA one because
40:49
although it was close, it wasn't
40:49
as nice. So you'd put it in a
40:52
position and then over 10
40:52
minutes, you might see that it
40:55
has drifted an inch or two.
40:55
Again, the Kompass arm might
40:58
have drifted six inches or it
40:58
would drift immediately. It was
41:00
just maddening. This does better
41:00
but not as nice as the PSA one.
41:04
The other issue I have with the
41:04
built in cable management is
41:06
that it was like completely
41:06
embedded in the arm. So it came
41:11
with its own XLR cable, and you
41:11
could never change out that XLR
41:15
cable. And I don't believe it
41:15
was the highest quality XLR
41:18
cable. So while we never ran
41:18
into this issue, an issue that
41:22
could creep up over time is that
41:22
that cable degrades from you
41:26
know being bent or wrapped or
41:26
twisted or something like that,
41:29
or breaks completely. And as far
41:29
as I could tell, there was no
41:32
way to replace that cable
41:32
without cutting it, pulling it
41:35
out refurbishing a new one
41:35
through and then soldering it
41:38
together yourself. So unless
41:38
you're, you know, really good at
41:43
soldering or into that or that's
41:43
a fun weekend project for you.
41:46
That might be something that you
41:46
want to think about before you
41:48
go that route.
41:49  Travis
Yeah, and then we have
41:49
the new bougie boom arm. I call
41:54
it that because it's it's not
41:54
what we would recommend for most
41:58
podcasters because it's the
41:58
price is a bit obscene. But it
42:02
is a very beautiful low profile
42:02
boom arm though Joe Rogan
42:06
actually uses nowdays Alban,
42:06
you're actually using it right
42:08
now why don't you talk about the
42:08
OSI white?
42:11  Alban
Yeah, I don't know who
42:11
found this. I think maybe Kevin
42:13
did the ultimate OSI white, boom
42:13
arm, somebody found it. And it
42:19
is awesome. So a lot of boom
42:19
arms, the way they work is
42:24
there's like a mount on your
42:24
desk. And then it shoots almost
42:29
like, I don't know, 3540 degree
42:29
angle, or almost a 90 degree
42:34
angle, sorry, straight up, and
42:34
then it goes down back to your
42:39
mouth. So you have this thing is
42:39
going way up into the sky, and
42:43
then it comes back down. And
42:43
then you can make that go a
42:45
little more parallel to the
42:45
table to get it a little bit
42:50
further away. But it always has
42:50
some height. And that isn't
42:53
great if you're shooting video.
42:53
And so a lot of the highest end
42:59
microphones like they use it
42:59
right on radio stations, like
43:02
the yellow tech, those setups
43:02
are all low to the table. And so
43:07
yellow tech for a long time was
43:07
kind of the top line and is what
43:12
all the radio stations use. But
43:12
you had to go work often with
43:17
like somebody who is a seller,
43:17
and you're working with them and
43:21
coming up with an order and it
43:21
was a long process. And then
43:24
ultimate came out with the OC
43:24
white boom arm. And this thing
43:28
is awesome. The Boomer itself is
43:28
super low to the table. So you
43:35
know the first I don't know arm
43:35
of the blue arm. The first one
43:39
is maybe like two inches, maybe
43:39
an inch off of the table. And
43:44
then the second one is on top of
43:44
that and can go you can change
43:48
the angle but it can come all
43:48
the way up to your mouth. And
43:53
what's really nice it stays
43:53
perfectly still. It's low to the
43:57
table. It brings the mic right
43:57
where it should be it never
44:00
moves and all the cables are
44:00
internal to the arm. They're not
44:06
locked there it's not like one
44:06
cable that can never ever be
44:10
replaced you can easily swap
44:10
these in and out so we had him
44:14
in the office. I think it would
44:14
be got them when we thought we
44:17
might start recording Buzzcast
44:17
in person when we decided not to
44:23
I grabbed one and brought it
44:23
home and I think it's the
44:26
greatest boom arm I've ever
44:26
used. I was talking to Travis
44:30
before this and I was like oh
44:30
that's the one I would recommend
44:33
for sure Travis is like you know
44:33
that's a $400 boom arm that
44:36
doesn't include the microphone
44:36
the cords the interface or
44:42
anything. So it's expensive. But
44:42
I think kind of top top line
44:47
Yeah, it's it's the best boom
44:47
arm you can get.
44:51  Travis
Yeah, and the reason
44:51
that you would want a low
44:53
profile boom arm for video is so
44:53
that way you don't have to worry
44:57
about the arm like coming in
44:57
front of your face. Yeah So it
45:00
comes up from underneath you so
45:00
it, it features your face much
45:03
better. If you're talking to
45:03
camera, doing video interviews,
45:06
that kind of thing. One caveat,
45:06
for that ultimate boom arm, the
45:12
stand the the desk mount that it
45:12
comes with, is not fantastic.
45:17
It's not amazing. We had the
45:17
jerry rigged solution to be able
45:21
to use it for the table because
45:21
the table was too thin, like
45:26
most of them have a threaded
45:26
kind of metal screw with a plate
45:29
that you can use for attention
45:29
attachment on the edge of a
45:31
table. But it doesn't go all the
45:31
way up to the plate. And so if
45:35
you have a really thin desk or a
45:35
table, then the desk mount that
45:39
comes with the microphone won't
45:39
work. We were using like carpet
45:43
squares like kind of carpet
45:43
squares to try and get it to
45:45
work.
45:46  Alban
My solution was I grabbed
45:46
two pieces of Brio of my
45:51
daughter set. So it's like the
45:51
wooden train. Yes railroad
45:55
pieces. So I grabbed two of
45:55
those made the desk a little
45:58
thicker, clamped it on, and it
45:58
works perfect. Highly
46:02
recommended. So by this $400
46:02
boom arm and two pieces of Brio
46:07
railroad set. And you're good to
46:07
go. Yeah, there
46:11  Travis
is a what they call like
46:11
a premium desk mount attachment
46:16
that cost 80 bucks, but it will
46:16
work on any table. It's the one
46:22
that we have set up in the
46:22
studio right now. So we'll leave
46:25
links to it. You can check it
46:25
out maybe as a as a treat
46:29
yourself gift. If you want a
46:29
really elegant, wonderful boom
46:33
arm, then we definitely
46:33
recommend the OC why we think
46:36
it's fantastic. But for
46:36
everybody else, either the PSA
46:39
one or the PSA one plus is going
46:39
to be our recommendation. But
46:42
now that we've talked about
46:42
gear, and Alban, you just talked
46:45
about how much you love your new
46:45
OC Waiapu arm? What's the rest
46:49
of your podcast setup? What are
46:49
you recording on nowadays? That
46:51
something people are always
46:51
interested in? Right? Like,
46:53
what's your podcast setup? So
46:53
walk us through what you're
46:55
using to record Buzzcast?
46:57  Alban
Alright, what am I using
46:57
to record Buzzcast? So are we
47:00
doing just the the audio setup,
47:00
are we doing video stuff as
47:03
well,
47:03  Travis
let's just do audio.
47:03
Let's just do it.
47:06  Alban
As I'm looking at this,
47:06
this is not the setup that I
47:09
would purchase. This is the
47:09
setup, I put on a wish list. And
47:12
if you work for a podcasting
47:12
company, and you buy stuff to
47:15
review it and you have it in the
47:15
office, go and grab it all about
47:19
that. When I start looking at
47:19
the price points, though, I'm a
47:23
little shocked. So starting with
47:23
the mic, I use a Shure SM seven
47:28
B. This is like one of my
47:28
favorite microphones that we've
47:33
ever purchased. We bought them a
47:33
long time ago. They're great
47:37
mics. And I love the way they
47:37
sound. So use the SM seven be on
47:42
Amazon right now. It's a $360
47:42
microphone so it's not cheap.
47:48
Then I have that on the ultimate
47:48
OC white, blue arm, which Travis
47:53
tells me is even more expensive.
47:53
It's a $400 boom arm. And what I
47:58
really like about it is it's low
47:58
profile, and it kind of folds up
48:02
out of the way so I have it set
48:02
up on the side of the desk. And
48:06
then I could just kind of
48:06
collapse it together and slide
48:09
it away so that all of it is
48:09
kind of off the desk it off to
48:14
the side, which is really nice.
48:14
All that hooks directly into a
48:20
focus right to i Two I used to
48:20
run all of this through a cloud
48:24
lifter to increase the gain that
48:24
newest focus right to i to
48:31
actually gets enough gain on its
48:31
own that I don't think you
48:34
really need to have the cloud
48:34
lifter, or what's the other
48:38
alternative called Travis
48:40  Travis
you can get it's like a
48:40
Triton FET head fat head. Yeah.
48:44  Alban
So both of those help
48:44
increase the the gain so that
48:48
the tech This is not the
48:48
technical Isaiah, but it makes
48:50
the mic louder.
48:52  Travis
It gives you a stronger
48:52
signal. It gives you a stronger
48:56
sense the technical lingo so you
48:56
actually have nicer waveforms,
49:00
instead of like there's little
49:00
itty bitty guys that you then
49:02
have to boost in post
49:02
production.
49:04  Alban
Yes, so the the focus
49:04
right to it to third generation,
49:08
which is the audio interface
49:08
that I use. That one does well
49:13
enough with the game that pretty
49:13
much almost maxed it out not all
49:18
the way and that gives us a good
49:18
enough waveform for the audio so
49:23
a Shure SM seven B ultimate OC
49:23
white focus right to ITU and
49:30
it's all hooked up with some
49:30
basic XLR cable up to my
49:35
computer so that's my setup and
49:35
the headphones are just some
49:39
headphones that I already have
49:39
I'm definitely not using some
49:43
sort of stereo headphones. I
49:43
don't think I would ever notice
49:46
the difference
49:47  Kevin
by Sir You mean like
49:47
monitoring headphones right?
49:50  Alban
Yeah, I I know that there
49:50
are headphones I mean I'm what
49:53
I'm using are probably the audio
49:53
files are gonna hate this.
49:57
They're old Bose headphones that
49:57
are are supposed to be run with
50:01
batteries, and I don't have it
50:01
turned on. So they're just like,
50:04
again. So this is like the
50:04
premier setup. If you're on an
50:08
airplane with like really loud
50:08
jet engines right next to you,
50:13
this probably isn't the best for
50:13
knowing exactly how my voice
50:16
sounds. But I'm in my own head
50:16
anyway. So I don't really hear
50:20
what my voice sounds like. All
50:20
I'm doing is I'm relying on
50:23
Travis, who edits this to make
50:23
it sound good. And in my
50:27
experience, he does a great job.
50:27
So thanks to Travis. I don't
50:31
need some expensive monitors or
50:31
to learn how to monitor my own
50:35
voice.
50:36  Travis
Yes, so I think
50:36
altogether, your price tag,
50:39
you're running close to $1,000
50:39
for your one person setup.
50:43  Kevin
So I,
50:43  Alban
I think I'm probably just
50:43
north of $1,000. Honestly, I
50:47
again, would not recommend this
50:47
is like you've got to have this
50:50
setup. I think if I were buying
50:50
this myself, I would be using a
50:55
pair of ear pods or something
50:55
like the basic little earbud and
51:00
going into a Samsung Q to you.
51:00
So my entire setup would be $65.
51:06
I think that's where I would
51:06
feel comfortable if I was buying
51:08
this myself. But when you work
51:08
for a podcasting company, this
51:11
is one of the perks.
51:13  Travis
Very nice. All right,
51:13
Kevin, walk us through your
51:15
setup. What are you using to
51:15
record Buzzcast nowadays?
51:17  Kevin
Okay, we'll start with
51:17
the microphone. The microphone
51:19
is a Heil PR 40 Fantastic mic, I
51:19
love it. It has a little
51:24
windscreen on the end of it
51:24
because it does not have a pop
51:26
filter built into it. So you add
51:26
a little filter on the front, I
51:30
get the little metal one, I
51:30
think that was you know, like
51:32
30 $30 or something like that
51:32
expensive in terms of pop
51:35
filters. And then I do have the
51:35
shock mount the prfm shock mount
51:38
made by Heil, which is the one
51:38
you have to get if you have this
51:41
mic. So as you get into higher
51:41
end gear, then things become
51:45
more proprietary, so you can't
51:45
just grab a $20 shock mount from
51:48
Amazon and throw this on it.
51:48
It's a special one that goes
51:51
with this mic and you have to
51:51
get that one. Same with the pop
51:54
filter so that that's all on the
51:54
front end stuff. Then it hooks
51:57
into the PSN, PSA, one boom arm,
51:57
all of that runs through pig hog
52:02
XLR cable, which is the XLR
52:02
cables that I like, they're
52:06
fantastic. Not too expensive.
52:06
Those are like $10. And that
52:09
runs into a road caster Pro,
52:09
which that's the absolute
52:15
unnecessary part of my setup. I
52:15
do not need a four channel, you
52:19
know, professional podcast
52:19
mixing board just for myself
52:22
here. I don't run any other mics
52:22
into it. But we had it at the
52:27
office, no one was using it. And
52:27
so it lives here now on my desk.
52:30
And it's fun when we get on Zoom
52:30
calls and stuff. Sometimes I use
52:33
sound pads and playing crazy
52:33
things. But really at the end of
52:35
the day, I've got my level set a
52:35
scarlet two, I too would be just
52:40
as effective. So that's what I
52:40
have. And that's why I have it.
52:43  Alban
So Kevin, we're looking
52:43
at like 320 for the microphone
52:47
100 for your shock mount 100 for
52:47
your boom arm, then what is the
52:52
road cast? The road caster pro
52:52
cost?
52:55  Kevin
That's $610 for the cable
52:55
and $60 for the windscreen. So
53:00
I'm probably a little bit more
53:00
expensive. Yeah.
53:03  Travis
But it's all on the road
53:03
caster.
53:04  Alban
Yeah, the road caster
53:04
definitely definitely bumps you
53:07
up there, though. The PR 40 is a
53:07
pretty high end microphone.
53:11  Kevin
Mm hmm. Yeah,
53:13  Alban
it's definitely a really
53:13
nice mic. And thank you to Heil,
53:16
who I believe sent that over for
53:16
you.
53:18  Kevin
Yep, they did. And I've
53:18
just fallen in love with it. So
53:22
I wouldn't hesitate to buy it
53:22
again, is it's a fantastic mic,
53:26
and I recommend it. And they've
53:26
got lots of different versions.
53:28
They all sound good. They bring
53:28
them to all the podcast
53:30
conferences. So if you're ever
53:30
at a podcast conference, and
53:33
you're considering a Heil
53:33
microphone, make sure you find
53:35
their booth and go put on
53:35
headphones and listen to the
53:38
different options. Oh, and I
53:38
didn't talk about my headphones.
53:40
I've got the cheapest
53:40
headphones, probably about three
53:42
of us. I have these headphones
53:42
called one oto which completely
53:46
off brand company that I found
53:46
on Amazon. I think they're $30.
53:50
We bought them on a whim just to
53:50
see if they were any good. And
53:52
they are Yeah. And so I use
53:52
them. I love them. We bring the
53:55
podcast conferences. My son is a
53:55
musician, he's fallen in love
53:59
with them. He's bought a couple
53:59
pairs because the dog chewed up
54:01
the first pair but they're
54:01
fantastic because if the dog
54:03
chews them up 30 $30 You get a
54:03
brand new pair. So I love these
54:07
headphones, we should put a link
54:07
to those in there.
54:09  Travis
Yes, I'll link all the
54:09
gear setups for everyone's set
54:13
up in the show notes. So if you
54:13
want to go and poke around and
54:16
vote for your favorite over on
54:16
Twitter or Facebook, that'd be
54:20
great. I guess I'll I'll round
54:20
it up with my personal setup. So
54:24
this is all the gear that I'm
54:24
using except for one piece I
54:27
personally purchased. So my
54:27
microphone of choice. This is
54:31
even after using the SM seven V
54:31
and the pier 40 is the road
54:34
Procaster I just like how it
54:34
sounds my voice because each
54:38
microphone has its own kind of
54:38
like profile of different
54:42
frequencies that emphasizes over
54:42
others. And I've just found that
54:46
for my voice and my sibilance in
54:46
those kinds of things. The road
54:51
Procaster does a really good
54:51
job. I'm using the I think it's
54:54
the WS two foam cover, like this
54:54
just giant $20 piece of foam To
55:00
throw in the front, the pro
55:00
caster does come with a pop
55:02
filter, but it's not amazing.
55:02
And so I like having the extra
55:05
pop filtering. And then I'm
55:05
using their shock mount, PSA,
55:09
one boom arm. So I'm like full
55:09
road setup on my microphone. And
55:15
then I have a second gen.
55:15
Scarlett to it that I've had for
55:18
years. And for the longest time,
55:18
I just ran the microphone right
55:22
into it. And then a month and a
55:22
half ago, I was in a zoom call.
55:25
And the person I was talking to
55:25
was like, I can't hear your
55:27
microphone. Like I can't hear
55:27
you, you're really quiet. And so
55:31
I went to turn it like all the
55:31
way up and they still couldn't
55:33
hear me. So then what I think
55:33
happened is I simply just use
55:37
this audio interface so much I
55:37
recorded like over 1000 podcast
55:41
episodes through it, that the
55:41
driver is just finally starting
55:45
to give out. So now I run it
55:45
through a cloud lifter first,
55:49
and then into the to it. And
55:49
that fixed it for now. And then
55:52
when it finally poops out, I'll
55:52
have to replace it. But I just
55:55
got a second gen two IQ that's
55:55
been humming along for a few
55:58
years now.
55:59  Kevin
That's interesting. I've
55:59
never heard of like preamps like
56:02
wearing down like that.
56:04  Travis
Yeah, I don't know how
56:04
else to explain it. Because even
56:07
when I would go to record
56:07
afterwards, like in Hindenburg,
56:10
same thing like a really weak
56:10
signal. So I don't know, I do
56:15
podcast quite a bit. Maybe
56:15
that's maybe that's the that's
56:19
the thing. You just kind of
56:19
lifecycle on some of these
56:21
pieces of gear, but everything
56:21
else has been stellar and
56:24
haven't had any issues. And then
56:24
for headphones, I actually do
56:27
have a set of studio headphones.
56:27
They're the Audio Technica 80 H
56:31
M 50x. Headphones are about $150
56:31
on Amazon. And what I love about
56:35
them is they have a flat or
56:35
neutral sound profile. So if you
56:39
get like a pair of Bose
56:39
headphones or just headphones
56:42
off of, you know, Amazon,
56:42
there's a good chance that
56:45
they'll emphasize different
56:45
frequencies based on what
56:49
they're trying to do. So for
56:49
music, those tend to emphasize
56:53
the low end frequencies. And you
56:53
don't want that when you're
56:56
editing podcast episodes, and
56:56
you want an accurate picture of
57:01
what you're recording and what
57:01
you're editing. So I really like
57:03
these headphones. They have
57:03
worked for me for years, and
57:07
I've had no complaints with
57:07
them. So if you want a really
57:10
good set of affordable studio
57:10
headphones, I really recommend
57:13
the Audio Technica M 50x
57:13
headphones. We'll leave links to
57:17
all of our gear that we use at
57:17
home in the show notes if you
57:20
wanna go check it out, put
57:20
together a wish list for
57:22
Christmas coming up, all that
57:22
kind of stuff. Thank you for
57:25
tuning in. And we'll catch you
57:25
the next one. Keep podcasting.
57:34  Alban
Everybody, thanks for
57:34
sticking around to the end of
57:36
the episode. This is Alban here
57:36
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57:40
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57:40
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57:45
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57:50
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