Interviews with writers, journalists, filmmakers, and podcasters about how they do their work. Hosted by Aaron Lammer, Max Linsky, and Evan Ratliff.



Episode 465: Ben Austen and Khalil Gibran Muhammad

Ben Austen is a journalist and the author of High-Risers: Cabrini-Green and the Fate of American Public Housing. Khalil Gibran Muhammad is the Ford Foundation Professor of History, Race and Public Policy at Harvard Kennedy School and the author of The Condemnation of Blackness: Race, Crime, and the Making of Modern Urban America. Together they host the podcast Some of My Best Friends Are.

”We're not pretending to have all the answers, but we are attempting to say, ‘this is a real issue and it can't be covered up by simply ignoring it.’ And if you can see it for what it is and all of its full dimensions, you have a better shot at bringing people along to get the work done to fix it.”

Show notes:

  • @ben_austen
  • @KhalilGMuhammad
  • Austen on Longform
  • Muhammad on Longform
  • 01:00 High-Risers: Cabrini-Green and the Fate of American Public Housing (Ben Austen • HarperCollins • 2019)
  • 01:00 The Condemnation of Blackness: Race, Crime, and the Making of Modern Urban America (Khalil Gibran Muhammad • Harvard University Press • 2019)
  • 01:00 "The Barbaric History of Sugar in America" (Khalil Gibran Muhammad • New York Times Magazine • Aug 2019)
  • 29:00 Some of My Friends Are, "Critical Race Theory in the Classroom" (Pushkin Industries • Sep 2021)
  • 36:00 "And So Jedidiah Brown Gave All of Himself to the City He Loved" (Ben Austen • Huffington Post • Sep 2017)
  • 43:00 Some of My Friends Are, "European Prisons vs. American Prisons" (Pushkin Industries • Sep 2021)
  • 43:00 "Race and Racism Through the Lens of an Interracial Friendship" (The Brian Lehrer Show • Sep 2021)
  • 54:00 Some of My Friends Are, "Fighting Inequities Through Art" (Pushkin Industries • Nov 2021)

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 2021-11-17  1h4m