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episode 23: Feminist Crumbs (10 Things I Hate About You) [transcript]


This week we talk about the 1999 10 Things I Hate About You. As Avery so aptly puts it, “These were the feminist crumbs we subsisted on.” That pretty much sums up how we feel about the plot, but we adore the characters and get into why. We also talk about new and old content from Amy Schumer. Avery talks about the“horrifying” and “visceral” movie Freshand Rosey updates us on the disappointing How I Met Your Father finale. And we wrap it up with Netflix’s top 10.

Next week we’ll cover the origin of the teen comedy.

Some topics covered:

  • Life and Beth
  • Inside Amy Schumer
  • Fresh
  • Severance
  • Marvelous Mrs. Maisel (Season 4)
  • How I Met Your Father finale
  • The Drop Out
  • First Wives Club
  • Overboard
  • Most Girls by Hailee Steinfeld
  • Beware of The Softboy (Girls Gotta Eat)

Thing we trailed:

  • Is It Cake? — Netflix
  • The Adam Project — Netflix

Where to stream:

  • Life and Beth — Hulu
  • Fresh — Hulu
  • Severance — Apple+
  • Marvelous Mrs. Maisel — Amazon Prime
  • How I Met Your Father — Hulu
  • The Drop Out — Hulu

As always, please hit us up with questions, suggestions, just to say hi, or god forbid any concerns (jkkk if you’re concerned we’re concerned, def let us know). Follow us on socials @theriftpod, and you can email us at theriftpod@gmail.com.

Episodes drop every Wednesday. See you next week!


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 2022-03-30  1h17m
 
 
00:05  Avery
Welcome to really
00:05
important fictional things. I'm
00:07
Avery.
00:08  Rosey
And I'm Rosey.
00:09  Avery
and this is the podcasts
00:09
with the two long title that's
00:12
both serious and not. We analyze
00:12
movies and TV like they're real
00:16
because movies and TV change our
00:16
reality. And what we watch
00:19
affects how we think about
00:19
ourselves, our relationships,
00:21
our jobs, the world. It's like,
00:21
pretty important, you know,
00:24  Rosey
it's really important.
00:26  Avery
So this week, we are
00:26
going to be talking about the
00:28
seminal classic 10 Things I Hate
00:28
About You. Spoiler alert, you
00:35
know, if I don't hate, hate,
00:38  Rosey
I don't hate it, but I
00:38
don't not hate it. Yeah, so this
00:41
will be fun.
00:41  Avery
I'm excited to find out
00:41
and then, on top of what we
00:45
watched, we're talking about the
00:45
movie and then we're gonna
00:47
revisit Netflix for the top 10
00:47
At the end of the episode. Here
00:50
we go. Here we go. All right. So
00:50
once you watch this week, Rosie,
01:00  Rosey
I watched random things.
01:00
I started life and Beth, did you
01:04
have you seen anything about
01:06  Avery
that? I've seen this on
01:06
Hulu, and I've not been
01:08
attracted to it. Yeah,
01:09  Rosey
I wasn't either. But so
01:09
many people are recommending it.
01:13
I was like, okay, so I watched
01:13
like to for those of you who
01:16
don't know it is why can't I
01:16
think her name Amy Schumer, Amy
01:20
Schumer's new show on Hulu. And
01:20
it's like, a drama D. I think
01:26
it's supposed to be a comedy,
01:26
but it's like sad.
01:28  Avery
And well, who's the guy
01:28
Michael Cera, isn't it?
01:31  Rosey
Yeah, who I haven't even
01:31
met yet. I'm on episode four. So
01:33
I don't maybe he shows up in
01:33
episode three. I haven't met him
01:36
yet. It's slowly watching her.
01:36
Like the premise of the show.
01:40
And the trailer is just like
01:40
she's broken up with her
01:42
boyfriend and taking life by the
01:42
balls. But like it took her a
01:49
while to break up with him. I
01:49
was like, I'm so we're on. We're
01:52
not in the first 10 minutes of
01:52
the first episode. And we
01:54
haven't broken up with him yet.
01:54
Which was annoying to me. I
01:57
don't know.
01:58  Avery
We'll get rid of the boy.
01:58
Because we knew that was the
02:00
point. And they make really, I
02:00
don't want to invest in this. I
02:03
know it's going away.
02:04  Rosey
And they make him
02:04
intentionally, like they're so
02:08
obviously a terrible match that
02:08
you're like, what is the point
02:12
of this?
02:13  Avery
And it's very odd.
02:14  Rosey
I don't know. I don't
02:14
like it. I'm only curious to
02:17
finish it to see like, what's
02:17
the what is the point being made
02:21
is right now, I don't know. You
02:21
don't get it? Unless it's just
02:25
like live your life.
02:27  Avery
It just didn't. I don't
02:27
know. I don't know. I feel that
02:29
Amy Schumer anymore. I feel like
02:29
Amy Schumer was really really,
02:32
really relevant at like a
02:32
particular moment in our
02:35
culture. And it moved real fast.
02:39  Rosey
You know what I mean? I
02:39
completely agree became dated
02:41
really quick. I felt crazy that
02:41
even seeing that she did a
02:45
thing. I was like, wow,
02:46  Avery
I mean to I was like No
02:46
need.
02:49  Rosey
I felt that I feel kind
02:49
of bad. Yes. But yes, I'm felt
02:53
Yes. Same. It's
02:54  Avery
weird. And her sketch
02:54
show was like so amazing. Yeah.
02:58  Rosey
I don't love sketch. But
02:58
I watched some of that. Yeah,
03:00  Avery
I don't either. And I
03:00
thought it was really funny.
03:02
Well,
03:03  Rosey
we talked about we've
03:03
talked about this many times.
03:05
But yeah, she was a moment in
03:05
time. She like captured that
03:07
moment in time really well. And
03:07
then I was like, now you don't
03:09
get it anymore.
03:10  Avery
Yeah, we literally you
03:10
and I watched train wreck and
03:13
then we and we like died about
03:13
how amazing it was. And then I
03:16
think we watch it not even a
03:16
year later. Yeah,
03:18  Rosey
watch it together. We
03:18  Avery
were like, This is bad.
03:21  Rosey
It was weirdly
03:21
unwatchable. All of a sudden,
03:23
yeah, super bizarre.
03:25  Avery
I think maybe women just
03:25
moved really fast. Because I
03:28
think it was right around me
03:28
too. When she was big.
03:31  Rosey
I think so. And then the
03:31
way the jokes were told, yeah.
03:35  Avery
Everything all of a
03:35
sudden is like it's like the
03:38
veil was pulled from the world's
03:38
eyes really quickly. And you
03:42
could see what was wrong with
03:42
everything.
03:44  Rosey
Yes. And it was still
03:44
about the way women were
03:47
supposed to be and her like not
03:47
choosing to be that way. Whereas
03:52
now I'm like there's not a
03:52
woman. There's not a way women
03:55
are supposed to be right and I
03:55
feel like we like that was like
03:58
Ba ba ba ba bum Yeah,
03:59  Avery
I mean this is a relevant
03:59
conversation to 10 Things I Hate
04:02
About yes it is. Bookmark this
04:02
listeners will come back to this
04:06
conversation.
04:07  Rosey
Did you watch any What
04:07
were you watching?
04:09  Avery
Every time you asked me
04:09
that it drops out of my head.
04:13
Oh, I watched fresh.
04:15  Rosey
Oh did so we talked we
04:15
talked about that on the
04:18
podcast. We did we Yeah, not you
04:18
brought it up and you were like
04:21
so Sebastian sands like
04:21
everywhere and doing this thing.
04:23
Oh, like I was like, I'm
04:23
interested. Yeah. So you watch
04:26
it. So it's a movie.
04:27  Avery
It's not a show. Not a
04:27
show.
04:29  Rosey
I don't want you to spoil
04:29
it because I can't spoil it. Oh,
04:31
god. Okay, I think I should
04:31
watch it. Yeah, well. I trust
04:37
you and if you don't think I'd
04:37
really watched it, then you go
04:39  Avery
for it. No, I think you
04:39
will love it. But it's also
04:42
horrifying. But I think you'll
04:42
love it
04:45  Rosey
horrifying and what kind
04:45
of way I viscerally
04:49  Avery
I don't know I think
04:49
you'll love it. Okay. Such a
04:53
good mashup of hyper real
04:53
realistic and completely
04:58
ridiculous. Okay, I'll
04:59  Rosey
watch it. Oh, Watch, I'm
04:59
writing it down.
05:00  Avery
Okay, you should watch it
05:00
because I do really want to talk
05:02
about it on the podcast because
05:02
it's, it's literally changed my
05:06
life. Okay? Which sounds really
05:06
intense, but like,
05:10  Rosey
I've changed your life.
05:10
It changed your life.
05:12  Avery
I've made different life
05:12
choices since I've seen it. In
05:15
the last week. Well, yeah, week
05:15
and a half. Oh, yeah, I think I
05:19
seen it already. Lastly, maybe
05:19
not.
05:21  Rosey
All right, written down.
05:21
We'll be back. Stay tuned next
05:25
week.
05:26  Avery
Update on some severance.
05:26
It's not it's getting worse. Oh,
05:31
no, it's really lost. Its steam
05:31
and like, I'm just like, I just
05:36
want to know what happened.
05:36
Yeah, keep throwing random shit
05:39
that I don't care about. And I'm
05:39
just like, Please give me
05:41
something more. And it feels
05:41
like there's not much more to
05:44
give. So they're like, spreading
05:44
it out. You know? And
05:48  Rosey
I feel like shows you
05:48
that sometimes when though like
05:50
reveals not very good. Yeah, I
05:52  Avery
know. It's making me
05:52
worried. Yeah.
05:55  Rosey
I hope the reveals really
05:55
good.
05:56  Avery
And also now I'm just
05:56
kind of like hate watching it.
05:59
Cuz now I'm just mad. Like, I
05:59
just want to know what happened.
06:01
So you're now you're making me
06:01
sit through these hours of
06:04
content that I don't care about.
06:04
Similarly, I
06:07  Rosey
felt similarly about a
06:07
very different show which
06:10
marvelous Mrs Maisel season just
06:10
came out. Yeah. And finished.
06:16
Yeah, the whole time. I just no
06:16
different than this, like, give
06:21
belt because a plot cause of
06:21
character choice. I mean, not
06:25
only Amy Sherman Palladino. Oh
06:25
god, she just undoes her
06:30
characters. Like, the strategy
06:30
appears to be let's undo the
06:35
character so that we can build
06:35
them back. But we just watched
06:39
that growth. So watching this
06:39
person fall backwards, and not
06:42
just one it was like five
06:42
characters started acting like
06:45
Season Two them, and it was
06:45
season four. Is that
06:47
interesting? So it mostly just
06:47
wasn't interested. And things
06:50
weren't going well and made us
06:50
all mad. And you're basically
06:53
looking at her thinking. Yeah,
06:53
well,this is your fault.
06:57  Avery
Cuz you were mad last
06:57
time.
06:59  Rosey
You're always mad. Yeah.
06:59
And then your behavior is
07:01
exactly the same, then you're
07:01
shocked that this is happening
07:04
to you yet again. I don't know
07:04
what
07:06  Avery
Amy needs to go to
07:06
therapy.
07:08  Rosey
Yeah, I mean, it's a
07:08
downer, right? Maybe Maybe. Are
07:12
these are people that like she's
07:12
always around?
07:17  Avery
She's trying to fix them
07:17
through. Yeah, but she can't
07:20
because they're not fixed in
07:20
real life. Yeah. Or it's her
07:22
either way. Being writers really
07:22
vulnerable.
07:26  Rosey
I'm now sort of thinking
07:26
about writing a book and keep
07:28
taking notes on character and
07:28
stuff. But so quickly, like, Oh,
07:32
now that sort of my friend or
07:32
sort of my cousin, like, I have
07:36
to change it more again. Oh,
07:39  Avery
because you intentionally
07:39
want to not make it close to
07:42
someone you know, not too close.
07:42
Yeah.
07:45  Rosey
Yeah. Or they just will
07:45
be I mean, write a draft Rosie,
07:50
this is where I get hung up. And
07:50
then I don't do any like, I
07:52
don't write anything.
07:54  Avery
Just write anyone. All
07:54
right. Exact. Yeah. It's hard.
07:57
So hard. It's really hard.
07:57
You've done more cumulative
08:00
writing than me. I think in
08:00
terms of pages written. Maybe in
08:04
your own pages. You're at that
08:04
whole like 60 Page pilot. Yeah.
08:09  Rosey
You wrote a movie you
08:09
wrote produced a movie?
08:13  Avery
Well, the short but I
08:13
also wrote the the full length
08:16
movie, but it left. I know you
08:16
liked it. I never got very far.
08:21
But
08:22  Rosey
someday that'll be a big
08:22
release on Patreon. You can
08:24  Avery
read our half written
08:24
scripts. If you have it signed
08:30
NDA.
08:32  Rosey
We have to get our
08:32
rights. put our name on them.
08:35
Anyway,
08:36  Avery
I just remembered what
08:36
else I wasn't sure. Okay. I
08:39
watched their nose. Oh, okay. Is
08:39
that what it's called?
08:43  Rosey
I don't know. But with
08:43
what's your face?
08:45  Avery
Some you say fried. I
08:45
want to say like Amanda, Amanda
08:48
Seyfried, and it's the drop out.
08:48
That's what it is
08:57
she held it like three feet away
08:57
from the mic is trying to be it
09:01
sounds like an old creaky door
09:01
in a haunted house. So I watched
09:05
the drop out it is oh, Laura.
09:05
Our guests from last week told
09:09
us or told us to watch this.
09:09
It's very good. The first
09:15
episode was like a little hard
09:15
to get through, but oh my god,
09:18
it is. It's it's got me it's got
09:18
me hooked. It's so good. I love
09:22
it. People love it. I've
09:23  Rosey
heard only good things.
09:24  Avery
I don't know that you
09:24
will. I
09:25  Rosey
don't I'm not gonna watch
09:25
it. Because the
09:27  Avery
main character is very
09:27
ambiguous. Whether you like I
09:31
don't know if I like or not. And
09:31
I don't know if I care. And I
09:33
have such hard time with that.
09:33
You won't like it.
09:35  Rosey
No, I'm not gonna watch
09:35
it. But, but I'm excited for
09:38
you. It looks like a lot of
09:38
those things I feel that way
09:41
about I think are incredible.
09:41
I'm just not interested.
09:45  Avery
Yeah, I think it's cool
09:45
too. Because it's a woman. So
09:48  Rosey
it is that is
09:48
interesting. Oh, How I Met Your
09:51
Mother finale.
09:52  Avery
Oh, good. Check in our
09:52
How I Met Your Mother corner.
09:55  Rosey
I mean, how I met your
09:55
father
09:56  Avery
how I met your father.
09:59  Rosey
No, I No, no has pitched
09:59
doing this like, okay. The
10:06
problem is it is How I Met Your
10:06
Mother. It's exactly the same
10:11
flaw. Yeah, almost exactly.
10:11
Hilary Duff runs into Robin
10:15
Schabowski. That was
10:15
interesting, good Robin is she?
10:19
She was just she's famous now
10:19
and whatever. And they have like
10:23
a moment because she's she's was
10:23
a news anchor and show her
10:27
character. So Hilary Duff's
10:27
character recognized her from
10:30
the news. And then they like
10:30
talk and she saw a TED. That
10:33
wasn't meant. She didn't. She
10:33
was just giving advice. Gosh, I
10:40
assume she was the advice was
10:40
sort of like, sometimes the
10:44
person you love is right under
10:44
your nose, but you're not ready
10:46
for it. Something something
10:46
which I think was like, supposed
10:49
to be Ted. Yeah, Barney. So is
10:52  Avery
there someone that's
10:52
right under her nose has a
10:54
crystal ball.
10:55  Rosey
They can't they have sat
10:55
they got together. And they
10:58
break up. I don't know what
10:58
other words like a few hours
11:04
later oh
11:04  Avery
my God in a
11:05  Rosey
way that that was just so
11:05
TV that I didn't believe like, I
11:12
didn't believe it is only
11:12
believable. These two characters
11:16
were really that horrible at
11:16
communicating which people like
11:19
that exist, obviously. But
11:19
watching them. I was like
11:22
watching a group of 35 year old
11:22
emotionally stunted people's
11:25
like not actually that fun now.
11:25
And I feel like we've seen this
11:30
a million times.
11:31  Avery
Yeah, you know what I'm
11:31
ready for I'm ready for the
11:33
like, 2022 kind of meta version
11:33
where they still do that. And
11:38
then they're like, this is why
11:38
we're doing this, right? Yeah,
11:40
that would be fun.
11:41  Rosey
And I guess are 30 not 35
11:41
but still just not as
11:45  Avery
emotionally stunted. 30
11:45
year? Yeah, but I also feel like
11:48
we speaking of patterns that you
11:48
can Yeah, out of I feel like
11:51
what's happening at 30. Now not
11:51
to cut you off. Yeah, I feel
11:54
like what's happening at 30 now
11:54
is that you are kind of like you
11:57
see your patterns, and you're
11:57
like halfway out of them. But
11:59
then you still fall back into
11:59
your shitty patterns, but you
12:02
know what they are. So that
12:02
would be funny. If they're like,
12:05
I know this stupid. I know. It
12:05
shouldn't be a problem. But it
12:08
is. And I can't tell you why. So
12:08
we have to break up.
12:11  Rosey
And then do it and be
12:11
like, Hey, I did that thing
12:13
again. You know, the thing I
12:13
keep doing it and being upset
12:16
about it. I did that. I just did
12:16
that. And then the conversation
12:19
we had
12:19  Avery
Yeah. And then the friend
12:19
would be like, oh, yeah, yeah,
12:21
you got to date other people for
12:21
seven seasons and get that
12:24
pattern out of you're like shit,
12:24
and then you can go back to pins
12:27
when you've worked it all out.
12:27
Right? I wrote how I met your
12:31
father.
12:31  Rosey
That's how they should be
12:31
writing it. They get to write at
12:34
2220 22 version 2000 Whatever
12:34
show
12:39  Avery
truly, I would watch that
12:39
though. I would too. And every
12:42
relationship that she has, you
12:42
would see her solving and
12:45
growing like a little bit of her
12:45
bullshit,
12:47  Rosey
which maybe they'll do
12:47
but the tone isn't there. And
12:50
the breakup was so she gets
12:50
scared when someone commits too
12:55
fast. He is like in it and
12:55
doesn't take a work opportunity
12:59
for her. I mean, that is
12:59
terrifying, terrifying. But it
13:02
would have been more interesting
13:02
to watch them have that
13:04
conversation and maybe they
13:04
still break up. But instead she
13:08
is just saying this is too much.
13:08
What the hell and he's like,
13:10
Fine, screw you. And she's like,
13:10
Fine, screw you. And you're
13:13
like, and then they're done.
13:13
What? Yeah, and then she goes to
13:16
go back and he's making out with
13:16
his ex girlfriend. Hmm. So I'm
13:19
not saying that couldn't
13:19
wouldn't happen. It just isn't
13:24  Avery
interesting. It's not
13:24
interesting. It sounds like it's
13:26
not interesting the way it was
13:26
framed. Or the way I didn't
13:28
think about it.
13:29  Rosey
Someone else might like
13:29
it. I'm not gonna come back
13:31
Season Two I'll check in on that
13:31
then season four. Sure. It'll
13:35
still be that's it that's it's
13:35
one
13:50  Avery
that's when they will be
13:50
rich and we'll have our own
13:53
studio and we can have like a
13:53
nice pashmina run. You know what
13:57
I mean? Watching us decorate
13:57
that will also be funny. You
13:59
guys got to tell your friends
13:59
all about this podcast so we can
14:02
make that advertising money and
14:02
get a good studio. Okay, good
14:05
sponsor. It's all on you. Yeah.
14:05
You're in your court now. balls
14:11
in your court.
14:14  Rosey
Oh, my God. Okay. The
14:14
1999 10 Things I Hate About You.
14:19  Avery
Classic, absolute
14:19
classic. The internet is in love
14:22
with this movie. That is
14:22
correct, right. Yeah. We don't
14:25
know how we feel. I mean, I
14:25
don't know how I feel. I can't
14:28
read Rosie's face, which is the
14:28
new thing. Well, you
14:32  Rosey
can't read it because
14:32
it's not clearly saying anything
14:34
yet. Do you want to start you
14:34
said this was a formative movie
14:38
for you? And it's another one of
14:38
your core movies.
14:40  Avery
Yeah, it is. I'm gonna
14:40
just gonna start at the end.
14:42
Yeah, let
14:43  Rosey
people know this movie.
14:43
At the
14:45  Avery
end. I have. I've written
14:45
these were the feminist crumbs.
14:50
We subsisted on.
14:52  Rosey
Okay. We're on the same
14:52
page. Crumb,
14:56  Avery
literal crumbs crumbs
14:56
that were made with like high
15:00
fructose corn syrup. So you
15:00
thought that they were tasty and
15:03
you wanted more, but really,
15:03
they're just making you fat.
15:05
Like she read Sylvia Plath. So
15:05
now, like, she's a feminist now,
15:10
and she like tries to push them
15:10
away a couple times. And like,
15:13
at the end when she's like, and
15:13
you can't just like buy me
15:16
something every time you get
15:16
mad, and you can't just show
15:20
islands. You
15:21  Rosey
can. Yeah, it's very
15:21
weird, charming. So it's fine.
15:24
It's very weird.
15:25  Avery
Like, just because she
15:25
talks all this feminist stuff
15:28
and mentioned swords this very
15:28
90s to like, just because she
15:31
mentions the word feminism. Now,
15:31
this is a feminist movie. Yeah.
15:35
And she's angry. If you look at
15:35
the at the like, story engine of
15:39
this. It's still all just, women
15:39
are something to be one in the
15:45
game of sex, and they're the
15:45
gatekeepers of sex. And they
15:48
decide when and how to dispense
15:48
it and you need to trick them
15:51
into it.
15:52  Rosey
Both AR and VR. They are
15:52
pawns. They are but pawns. Well,
15:55  Avery
the pawns, but also judge
15:55
and jury and executioner. So
15:59
that's interesting. I guess
15:59
that's true. And I think that's
16:01
what a lot of what fuels
16:01
misogyny. Like you see it in
16:04
Cameron's character like he's
16:04
immediate love there for no
16:07
reason, no reason at all. Then
16:07
she becomes this like, elevated
16:11
on a pedestal thing many of us
16:11
possess. She
16:13  Rosey
has basically no
16:13
character anyway. Yeah, I
16:15  Avery
do like that exercise. I
16:15
do a lot to it. But but then as
16:19
soon as she realizes that she's
16:19
actually interested in another
16:21
guy, he's immediately pissed at
16:21
her and yells at her. Right?
16:26
Yeah. It's like you're so
16:26
shallow and a bad person. And
16:29
then she kisses him. And he
16:29
literally says, I'm back in the
16:32
game.
16:34  Rosey
I didn't understand why
16:34
she kissed him. Well,
16:36  Avery
I think she kissed him
16:36
because she realized that he
16:39
was. It sounds ridiculous, but
16:39
he was like, genuinely
16:43
interested in her. Yeah. Whereas
16:43
the other guy just winning her.
16:46
Well, I think the other guy
16:46
didn't even care about her at
16:49
all. She was like a person that
16:49
he just like, showed his
16:52
modeling pictures to and like
16:52
model Yeah, I guess front of you
16:55
know,
16:56  Rosey
yeah, no, I agree. I
16:56
guess I meant winning her. Like
16:58
it was one more thing to add to
16:58
his resume of things about
17:02
himself that he
17:03  Avery
liked. Right. And then
17:03
you also find out later that he
17:05
was just trying to fuck both
17:05
sisters, which is absolutely
17:07
disgusting. Disgusting. He's
17:07
just a disgusting person. Can
17:10
you imagine it's grown? I don't
17:10
like
17:12  Rosey
any of the men in this
17:12
movie. No, I think Patrick is is
17:16
a Heath Ledger. So
17:17  Avery
no, but this is what I
17:17
mean about the feminist crumbs.
17:20
It's like, Cameron became the
17:20
Chrome that she could actually
17:24
subsist. Yeah. Whereas she
17:24
realized the other guy was
17:27
literally all air. So she was
17:27
like, I want someone I can kiss.
17:30
Yeah. And you seem like the
17:30
what's the word? What's the
17:34
phrase? The least of both yells
17:34
the best of both. You know what
17:39
I mean?
17:40  Rosey
Yes. 100%. But
17:41  Avery
why can't I people always
17:41
say about politics.
17:44  Rosey
But the the worst evil,
17:44
the
17:47  Avery
lesser of two evils. So
17:47
Cameron was the lesser of two
17:52
evils. Yes. And arguably so was
17:52
Heath Ledger's character agree
17:57
that the two evils were a guy or
17:57
no guy?
18:00  Rosey
Yes. I think it was. I
18:00
agree. And in a lot of ways,
18:05
Heath Ledger was in almost
18:05
always he was the best human
18:11
amongst those men. Yes. I wish
18:11
they had written in a reason
18:17
that he wanted the money. Yeah,
18:17
more than just he seems to not
18:22
have that much money. Like he
18:22
seems poorer than those other
18:26
guys. Right? Yes. But it would
18:26
have I think it would have
18:29
helped with some of the like,
18:29
his motivation. At the
18:33
beginning. It still was shitty,
18:33
but I got him just being like,
18:37
okay, idiot you're gonna give me
18:37
for like he was thinking of it
18:39
as like I'm playing you other
18:39
dude. Not like cool. Fuck this
18:43
other this woman over for no
18:43
reason. But I wish we had had a
18:47
little more motivation from him
18:47
on why you wanted the money.
18:50
Yeah. And then it would have
18:50
also been a little more
18:52
satisfying when he didn't. Did
18:52
he give it back?
18:55  Avery
No, he used it to buy her
18:55
the guitar. Yeah, that was fine.
18:59
That was nice. That was nice.
18:59
That was nice. Mm hmm.
19:03  Rosey
It just you're Yeah,
19:03
crumbs. It was like the just the
19:07
bar set just so low. Like you
19:07
all placed a bet on us. You
19:12
treated us like idiots we could
19:12
just manipulate around to play a
19:17
game like we're bent their
19:17
vending machines, if we put in
19:20
the right combination will like
19:20
get the sex. Yeah.
19:25  Avery
Like No wonder I was
19:25
fucking paranoid and sad and
19:27
angry. All the time. I never
19:27
trusted any, like anyone's
19:31
motivation and nothing these men
19:31
say. It's true. And honestly,
19:35
like, talking about really
19:35
important fictional things. Like
19:39
it's kind of true in real life,
19:39
like watching movies like this
19:43
that are like, this is a
19:43
feminist movie. And so guys
19:45
watching are like, Oh, this is
19:45
what feminist girls want. Right?
19:48
It's still like that. And the
19:48
results is we live in a world
19:52
where I have been manipulated. A
19:52
lot of times yeah, people that I
19:57
was like trying to be, like
19:57
honest and vulnerable and
20:00  Rosey
100% it sets a terrible
20:00
precedent for everybody. Yeah,
20:04
like it. I mean, we are women.
20:04
So for that's the viewpoint I
20:09
was watching this app, but
20:09
that's a very good point. If
20:11
you're a guy watching this,
20:11
you're like, I don't know what
20:13
to do either. Okay, here's the
20:13
here's an example. And it's
20:17
touted as this touted whatever,
20:17
a lot. It is this like, feminist
20:23
movie. That's how it is
20:23
described. Yeah. And I don't, I
20:26
didn't have that feeling
20:26
watching it, although watching
20:29
it and comparing it to other
20:29
movies like now that we're
20:32
watching a few is interesting
20:32
because this is 99, Miss
20:34
Congeniality 2000. And Legally
20:34
Blonde was 2001. And this is the
20:38
same writers as Legally Blonde.
20:38
Yeah. Who also were involved in
20:42
something else.
20:43  Avery
How's funny. Okay. House
20:43
funny, I never saw. I've seen it
20:47
a lot isn't good. It's very,
20:47
yeah, there's
20:51  Rosey
a lot of problems in it
20:51
as well. It's sort of a similar
20:54
takeaway to Miss Congeniality. I
20:54
feel like where it's sort of
20:57
saying you can be both. I mean,
20:57
it's likely one same.
21:00  Avery
Yeah. But that was in
21:00
like, 2007. Yeah, it's further
21:03
along. Now, but you're totally
21:03
right about the timeline. And
21:07
it's, I think we also need to
21:07
separate the plot from the
21:10
characters. Yes, because I think
21:10
the plot is pretty traditional
21:15
such Shakespeare bullshit. Yeah,
21:15
it's Taming of the Shrew. And
21:18
apparently, shaming of the Shrew
21:18
was much, much worse.
21:21  Rosey
I've never watched much
21:21
worse. Yeah, no, but I read
21:24
article,
21:25  Avery
like, starve her and
21:25
stuff.
21:29  Rosey
Yeah, it's horrifying.
21:31  Avery
So take that plot and put
21:31
it to one side. Okay. Dated,
21:35
take the characters and I think
21:35
the characters for the most
21:38
part, art feminist? I think so
21:38
on the way that presented are
21:43
feminist. Because the guys that
21:43
are being dicks are presented as
21:47
clueless. Yes, you know, and
21:47
then cat is a cat is a very
21:52
unique, very feminist character.
21:52
I agree. And I think that's why
21:56
this is such a seminal work for
21:56
me and for a lot of people,
22:01
because up until now, she didn't
22:01
really exist in cinema. And if
22:06
she did, she was a side
22:06
character and kind of a joke.
22:09
You know? Yeah, she
22:10  Rosey
was just the angry
22:10
asshole. Yeah, I guess angry
22:12
bitch. Yeah, like is wearing
22:12
black and not
22:15  Avery
right. And usually, if
22:15
she is important to the story at
22:18
all, she's made over she's had a
22:18
makeover and becomes like a
22:22
different version of herself.
22:22
Well, I
22:23  Rosey
also liked that even
22:23
though she didn't dress the way
22:26
Bianca dressed. She dressed in a
22:26
way she seemed to like and
22:30
enjoy. She wasn't hiding her
22:30
body the whole time or anything.
22:32
She was still Yeah, her hair
22:32
would be down and curling and
22:36
fun and her camo shirt and or
22:36
bell bottoms. Yeah. I don't
22:39
know.
22:39  Avery
It didn't feel like and
22:39
so in the way that Miss
22:42
Congeniality, when we talked
22:42
about it, she was like, had
22:44
internalized sexism. It didn't
22:44
feel like she had internalized
22:48
sexism directed at herself. I
22:48
think she had some sexism
22:51
against Girly Girls student.
22:51
Yeah. But I didn't feel like she
22:54
was limiting any part of herself
22:54
to fit into some box. That was
23:00
anti. You know what I mean?
23:00
Yeah, I agree with you. She just
23:03
was like, I opt out. She was
23:03
like, I don't want to be in
23:06
relationship at all with any of
23:06
this. I opt out, and I'm over
23:08
here. Yeah.
23:09  Rosey
And it seemed like that
23:09
really was because there's
23:13
multiple comments about how she
23:13
used to be more like Bianca when
23:17
she was popular in that group
23:17
and stuff. So is it my read of
23:22
it? Was that everything that
23:22
happened with the deck, whose
23:26
name I can't remember? Anyway?
23:29  Avery
Jelly, Donny. Joey. I
23:29
think it was Joey jelly,
23:32
whatever, the guy who we're
23:32
gonna call him
23:34  Rosey
who slept with her and
23:34
then was horrible. Yeah. It
23:37
seemed to be after that was her
23:37
turning point was her mom
23:40
leaving the catalyst.
23:42  Avery
She's a senior. And I
23:42
think it happened around the
23:44
same time because their mom left
23:44
three years before so she would
23:47
have been a sophomore or going
23:47
into sophomore year. And then
23:50
the John, Johnny Johnny jelly
23:50
thing happened in her freshman
23:54
year. Okay, so it all happened
23:54
around the same time.
23:57  Rosey
That makes sense to me.
23:57
But those things happening. You
23:59
just be
23:59  Avery
like, okay, by done, I'm
23:59
done here.
24:02  Rosey
I kind of wish
24:03  Avery
Get to Sarah Lawrence.
24:05  Rosey
I'm glad she's going to
24:05
Sarah Lauren. Yeah, get out of
24:07
there. Out. And I believed in
24:07
her intelligence and her
24:12
strength and her interest in the
24:12
worlds. And that was huge. Like
24:16
that character did not exist. It
24:16
was almost Katie Holmes, did
24:19  Avery
you? Yeah, yes. Fucked
24:19
up. We're not Well, no, I'm glad
24:24
that didn't happen. And I also I
24:24
just liked how she was. And this
24:27
goes down to acting. I really
24:27
liked her. She was like, she
24:30
wasn't like performative about
24:30
her stuff. She would just be
24:33
like, she would like toss an
24:33
angry line away and walk away.
24:36
Like she didn't care. She truly
24:36
didn't care. She wasn't trying
24:39
to impress anyone with it. It
24:39
was like really, her worldview
24:43
and she was stand strong. And I
24:43
really liked that.
24:45  Rosey
I knew she was not
24:45
performing for anybody now
24:48
including herself. And then
24:49  Avery
when she was performing,
24:49
she was still kind of performing
24:52
for herself. Like when she got
24:52
really drunk and got up on the
24:54
table and I loved that I loved
24:54
it too. She was just doing
24:57
whatever the fuck she wanted.
24:57
She was
24:59  Rosey
drunk and dancing. She's
24:59
not doing a striptease all of a
25:01
sudden she wasn't like watching
25:01
it. I kept thinking this isn't
25:05
even a sexy dance. She's just, I
25:05
mean, she was drunken on a table
25:10
so but like her moves themselves
25:10
weren't that sexy? Yeah. Smooth.
25:15
She was just moving her body
25:15
around a
25:17  Avery
fun fact, though. She got
25:17
her. Once in dance with me she
25:22
was in.
25:23  Rosey
Oh, yeah. See the last
25:23
year? Yeah, she got
25:25  Avery
cast and say last dance
25:25
because of that. I like a white
25:29
girl can move at all. Oh, that's
25:29
really funny. Yeah, no, but I
25:34
agree. And like even that the
25:34
fact she was doing it in the
25:38
middle of a crowd. She wasn't
25:38
doing it for them. But she was
25:41
still enjoying that they were
25:41
there. And she just was very
25:44
powerful in her agency and what
25:44
she chose to do and not do.
25:49  Rosey
I think that's why not to
25:49
bring the plot back in too much.
25:53
But I think that's why her
25:53
taking him back for lack of a
25:56
better phrase. felt okay to me,
25:56
because it felt like a choice
26:01
she was really consciously
26:01
making and she makes very
26:04
conscious choices. Yeah. Like
26:04
she wasn't tricked into taking
26:07
him back because I liked I
26:07
thought about this a lot. And I
26:10
liked that her poem comes before
26:10
the guitar before the gift. So
26:14
he was apparently planning an
26:14
apology thing, but she like beat
26:17
him there. And I liked that.
26:19  Avery
Yeah. Do you think he was
26:19
planning on or do you think he
26:21
went I thought it was her.
26:22  Rosey
I thought that was right
26:22
after class. Oh, yeah,
26:25  Avery
you're right. So it was
26:25
like already in the meeting, but
26:28
then she did. Oh, that's funny,
26:28
which is almost
26:30  Rosey
a year because you're
26:30
thinking, Oh, you both had a
26:33
plan of I'm gonna get this
26:33
person to do what I have to do.
26:36
That's
26:37  Avery
a good point. I like it.
26:37
Yeah. And to your point of she
26:40
made a very conscious decision.
26:40
The poem is such a good plot
26:43
device, because you're literally
26:43
watching her make that decision.
26:46
Like she's that's her. You just
26:46
saw our thought process. Yes,
26:50
I'm mad at you. You did the
26:50
wrong thing. I still like you.
26:53
Fuck. Fuck it. Yeah,
26:56  Rosey
his. I mean, the acting
26:56
wins everything in this movie
26:59
because His acting is also
26:59
phenomenal. Yeah. And watching
27:03
his face while she reads the
27:03
poem was also great reaction at
27:07
the end.
27:08  Avery
I think that's the best
27:08
acting from him. I think that
27:10
scene and they bolt. So they did
27:10
that scene in one take. And she
27:14
started the crying was not in
27:14
the script. She just started
27:17
crying. And so I think he was
27:17
probably quite moved.
27:20  Rosey
Yeah. Well, similarly, I
27:20
read that the when he does the
27:24
big musical number. Yeah, he
27:24
improved a ton of that. Yeah,
27:27
people think her laughing is
27:27
also really happy. Yeah, like,
27:32
what
27:33  Avery
are you doing? You were
27:33
now parently they started dating
27:35
a little bit after that
27:35
surprise, man. I had some
27:38
chemists
27:38  Rosey
I would be dating every
27:38
co worker I had if I was co
27:41
worker. You're in the movies
27:41
together? Yeah. Cast cast mates.
27:49  Avery
I would want to I mean, I
27:49
fall in love with everyone all
27:51
the time.
27:52  Rosey
Playing in love.
27:54  Avery
Ya know, I'd be
27:55  Rosey
in big trouble.
27:56  Avery
Yeah, and I would
27:56
definitely, yeah. Can you
27:59
imagine in Castle, someone that
27:59
you didn't like? Like, sometimes
28:02
I feel like I can see to act
28:02
which are those two actors who
28:04
are like, and every time I just
28:04
think about it would be like to
28:07
kiss someone who like smelled
28:07
bad to you. Like to have someone
28:10
spit in your mouth that like
28:10
didn't taste good. But you also
28:13
have to do evil they do? Yeah.
28:13
Oh, oh.
28:19  Rosey
Yeah, they seem to like
28:19
each other. They also kiss more
28:22
than just the last kiss. Right?
28:22
And I quite liked that too,
28:25
because there's a lot of
28:25
pressure on that. And also it
28:29
makes it feel like makes it feel
28:29
like it's an ending or the
28:33
culmination and that's it. The
28:33
whole thing. The whole goal is
28:36
just this kiss dramatically.
28:36
They kept thinking about she's
28:40
she's mad she's all that because
28:40
that was before this right.
28:44
Whenever Freddie Prinze Jr. was
28:44
doing these movies. Yeah, it was
28:47
all those movies is that type of
28:47
ending? Yeah. Builds builds,
28:50
build kiss. And yeah, and I
28:50
liked that. I mean, they sold
28:53
the kiss.
28:53  Avery
Congeniality is kinda
28:53
like that. It is yeah. How do
28:56
you get to see intimate
28:57  Rosey
and Legally Blonde just
28:57
doesn't know because at all,
28:59
they're just like, by the way,
28:59
they're gonna get married.
29:02  Avery
I agree. I want to see
29:02
the kissing. Give us more
29:04
kissing. Yeah, I like the scene
29:04
where they're doing the paint.
29:08
You know, I want to go to one of
29:08
those paint places. So fun,
29:10
great song. love that song.
29:10
Music. The music's very good.
29:14
And then their kiss at the end
29:14
is like quite good. Like when
29:17
they just start making out in
29:17
the hay. And then I love that
29:19
she pushes them often offer and
29:19
then they go back to the paint.
29:23
Yeah, it just seems so real and
29:23
intimate. I agree. And like a
29:26
true connection.
29:27  Rosey
I agree. And I feel like
29:27
believable teenagers. Yeah,
29:30
these two teenagers wouldn't not
29:30
kiss for the whole movie until
29:33
that. Yeah, it just doesn't make
29:33
any sense.
29:36  Avery
And then right before
29:36
that was like, this is another
29:39
reason why I think it was so
29:39
important to me. And I like
29:41
needed to believe that someone
29:41
like Heath Ledger's character,
29:44
like existed when I was in high
29:44
school, right before that when
29:48
he's like, Oh, yeah. So you just
29:48
like, push everyone away in the
29:51
very beginning. So you never
29:51
disappoint anybody. And she's
29:53
like, Yeah, and then he's like,
29:53
Yeah, too late. You didn't you
29:56
never disappointed me. Amazing.
29:56
You fucked up every one I mean,
30:00
like, that's exactly what
30:00
everybody wants.
30:02  Rosey
We want. So what we want
30:02
to hear everybody,
30:06  Avery
everybody, but also truly
30:06
women. Yeah. Scared of men.
30:11  Rosey
Okay, I have a couple
30:11
questions. Yeah. For you. Yes.
30:15
What did you think of the no
30:15
dating rule?
30:19  Avery
By me? There were some
30:19
things in this movie where I was
30:22
like, Okay, I guess this is just
30:22
what we're doing now. Like,
30:24
that's really fucked up when you
30:24
think about it. And like when
30:28
they're going to that party, and
30:28
she's like, well, cats not going
30:31
to the party. So you can't go to
30:31
the party. And then it's like,
30:33
well, there's going to be
30:33
underage drinking there. And
30:36
like, all this stuff going on,
30:36
and all he cares about that
30:38
she's going to get pregnant. And
30:38
then as soon as cats going,
30:40
she's allowed to go, that
30:40
doesn't make any sense.
30:42  Rosey
It doesn't make any
30:42
sense. He also has so little
30:46
faith in his own daughter. Yeah.
30:46
And that was so irritating to
30:51
me. Although, sorry, go ahead. I
30:51
was just, I know they could get
30:54
taken advantage of, but it felt
30:54
like instead of explaining
30:58
things, or giving them tips to
30:58
get out of situations or
31:01
whatever, to just do the
31:01
stereotypical like, shut it
31:04
down. I'm going to lock you in
31:04
the tower.
31:07  Avery
Yeah, what? So there's
31:07
one line from CAD that I think
31:10
provides like a psychological
31:10
background to that when she says
31:13
like, stop trying to control our
31:13
lives because you can't control
31:16
your own. Yeah, and I think
31:16
that's what's going on with the
31:19
dad is like he lost his wife and
31:19
he really doesn't want to lose
31:22
his girls. You know?
31:25  Rosey
That could be right. I
31:25
just feel like they didn't they
31:27
get into that enough for me.
31:29  Avery
Well, apparently the
31:29
script was really dark, like
31:30
much darker than what came out
31:30
like her friend who is obsessed
31:35
with Shakespeare had had like
31:35
multiple suicide attempts and
31:39
talked about how she like really
31:39
just want like she wanted to go
31:41
and join William and then the
31:41
mom thing is really fucked up
31:44
and they only mentioned it
31:44
twice. They really talk about
31:47
like, where did she go? Why?
31:49  Rosey
And then also the dot the
31:49
Bianca has the pearl necklace.
31:53  Avery
And she says she's not
31:53
coming back which makes me think
31:55
she's dead. But then later mom
31:55
laughed Yeah,
31:59  Rosey
for what for who all of
31:59
you all the time we're not
32:02
contacted so many questions
32:02
about them would have made more
32:07
sense of the mom was dead. Yeah,
32:07
for the story. I don't really
32:10
get and if she's not a mom like
32:10
a woman to leave her husband for
32:15
whatever reason. Okay? Yeah,
32:15
totally good. Fine support you.
32:20
Do it your teenage daughters is
32:20
a whole different choice to me.
32:24
Oh, a lot. Maybe you have a
32:24
reason? Yeah, but what is it and
32:28
it's not good. It's not good. I
32:28
mean, that's the only ones I can
32:33
come up with are like you have a
32:33
serious addiction or mental
32:37
health issue that you're gonna
32:37
go sort out and come back, but
32:41
gone forever. No, I don't
32:41
there's no good reason
32:44  Avery
his mom in an
32:44
institution. Yeah, like what?
32:46
What happened to mom?
32:47  Rosey
What happened to mom?
32:54  Avery
Man, I really liked that
32:54
the description of this movie is
32:56
Cameron falls for the girl of
32:56
his dreams, but she is forbidden
33:00
to date. Which is like not what
33:00
the whole thing like I guess
33:05
it's kind of what happens but
33:05
it's not anything to be really
33:10
well. I
33:10  Rosey
feel like it's a story
33:10
about Kat. Yeah, okay.
33:13  Avery
Yeah, no, I agree back.
33:14  Rosey
So back to Cameron. And
33:14
his bet though, when the three
33:18
men get together it's like this
33:18
whole little cohort. It's extra
33:22
sleazy that it's that he plants
33:22
the idea with Joey Johnny. Yeah,
33:27
and I think it's Joey Plansee
33:27
idea gets him to fund it I guess
33:31
isn't Michael Michael's a whole
33:31
other
33:33  Avery
Michael is the one that
33:33
gets the backer Yeah. Gets
33:36  Rosey
the backer. And then they
33:36
set it up. And then they like
33:39
double cross. Like going to
33:39
Patrick to be like, No, but
33:42
really, it's for me. Yeah,
33:42
really? You're doing this all to
33:45
get me the trophy. Thank you so
33:45
much. And the whole thing, both
33:48
women $30. I understand
33:48
inflation, but that is low. It
33:56
was $30.30 I wrote down these
33:56
two women are only worth $30.
34:02
This is sad. He
34:03  Avery
upset 250. Right. I
34:03
literally wrote down 150
34:07
adjusted for inflation. I didn't
34:07
look it up.
34:09  Rosey
And then at one point
34:09
Patrick's like $100 a date. Like
34:12
he's just which
34:15  Avery
is a prostitute. I'm
34:15
sorry. Yeah. It's literally me.
34:20
Which they
34:20  Rosey
only pick him because he
34:20
seems scarier than her. But to
34:24
be able to. He's scarier
34:25  Avery
than her. But then also,
34:25
I didn't quite get what they
34:28
were trying to do. That I loved
34:28
when they were like, also cat
34:31
only likes pretty guys. And he
34:31
was like, Are you saying I'm not
34:34
pretty? And they're like, Okay,
34:34
thank you. Thank you like
34:37
that's, yeah, what were they
34:37
trying to say that you are
34:40
pretty but we don't know if
34:40
you're okay with being pretty.
34:43
Oh,
34:45  Rosey
I don't know. It's very
34:45
weird. Are they trying to have a
34:47
scene of just like guys being
34:47
able to
34:50  Avery
there's a lot of gay
34:50
panic in this as well.
34:53  Rosey
I mean, women weren't
34:53
supporting women. Either. There
34:56
was no yeah, that was bothering
34:56
me them. a lot so I
35:01  Avery
read an article about
35:01
this. There's one in Vox.
35:04
There's one like, one verse.
35:04
Yeah. Okay, so there's the the
35:08
part about how cat doesn't
35:08
support other women. But then at
35:13
the end, she started supporting
35:13
her sister. Yes. So they sort of
35:16
like start to heal that.
35:18  Rosey
I think that's I agree.
35:18
That's how I watched it in the
35:20
scene. And she's also a
35:20
teenager, so I remind myself of
35:23
that, but when she when Kat is
35:23
telling Bianca what happened
35:28
with Joey Johnny, I was watching
35:28
it thinking, you could have told
35:35
her this a long time ago. Not
35:35
necessarily when it happened to
35:38
you like it happened to you. You
35:38
don't owe anybody this story.
35:42
But when he started showing
35:42
interest in her, I didn't. I
35:47
guess I understood it, but I
35:47
didn't totally I didn't like the
35:50
idea of I wanted you to figure
35:50
it out for yourself. Because
35:54
especially being her little
35:54
sister, you could have still
35:56
been like, Hey, this is
35:56
information I have. Do with it.
35:58
What you will I'm not going to
35:58
tell you what to do. I'm not
36:01
dad. But I don't know. What did
36:01
you think about that?
36:05  Avery
I don't know. I didn't
36:05
that honestly didn't hit me in
36:07
the same way. Oh, and I think
36:07
she just thought of her little
36:11
sister is like, her little sit
36:11
like not a real person. Yeah,
36:14
this just my little sister. And
36:14
I think she probably didn't.
36:17
Also Where's Mom, this goes back
36:17
to where? Because there are a
36:20
lot of dynamics around now.
36:20
She's very parental FIDE as like
36:24
the mom figure for little
36:24
sister. So then I can see also
36:29
not wanting to like talk about
36:29
sex with her. Yeah, especially I
36:32
want to try leading of yourself.
36:32
I don't know if it was me. I
36:36
honestly would just pretend that
36:36
never happened. I wouldn't want
36:38
to talk to anyone about it ever.
36:38
That is so humiliating,
36:41
humiliating.
36:42  Rosey
Yeah, it wasn't. Again,
36:42
she was what 14 when it
36:45
happened. So she's 16. Now I
36:45
wasn't watching it thinking like
36:49
you messed up. I just was like,
36:49
I think the scene would have
36:53
been shown differently now.
36:53
Yeah. Which was interesting to
36:58  Avery
how would it be
36:58
different?
36:59  Rosey
Well, I mean, even in
36:59
like sex lives of college girls
37:02
Bella fairly quickly. I mean,
37:02
she ignores what has happened to
37:04
her as well. And then eventually
37:04
is like, I think I silenced
37:07
another woman, like maybe I can
37:07
get support or talk through this
37:12
in some other way. Rather than
37:12
just being like, I'll walk away.
37:14
I can't it's too much. And I
37:14
think we weren't given that
37:18
wasn't like, shown to us as an
37:18
option very often. So it was
37:22
believable that 99 Cat wouldn't
37:22
have the language or feel
37:27
comfortable having that kind of
37:27
conversation. But I think in a
37:30
show now, if someone who
37:30
attacked her or or treated her
37:35
that poorly, was then going
37:35
after her little sister, I think
37:39
it would have been she would
37:39
have tried to either get the guy
37:42
to back off or tell her or tell
37:42
her friend. I just think there
37:46
would have been more language
37:46
around it. Unless just oh, I
37:49
didn't know what to do. This
37:49
guy's really bad now that he's
37:51
hurt you too. I'll let you know.
37:53  Avery
Yeah, no, I get that.
37:53
That makes sense. There's a lot
37:56
of weird stuff that they did.
37:58  Rosey
To was got. I wrote
37:58
Cassidy gets so salty. Her
38:02
friend. Yeah.
38:03  Avery
I think her name is
38:03
Chestatee. Oh, chastity. Yeah.
38:06
rocastle. Chastity, the
38:06
girlfriend. You're right.
38:09  Rosey
What's Gabrielle Yeah.
38:13  Avery
Yeah, I know. She
38:13
immediately flips on her. Yeah,
38:15
you
38:16  Rosey
lost your chance by
38:16
fascinating.
38:19  Avery
There's a lot of there's
38:19
an interesting stuff with
38:22
intersectionality of feminism
38:22
and racism and this. Yep. The
38:26
black teacher being like, you
38:26
are an upper middle class white
38:30
girl. Yeah, I don't think that
38:30
was and then get out of my
38:34
class. Why
38:34  Rosey
didn't why didn't he ask
38:34
her to get out? I don't know. It
38:37
was very bizarre. him sort of
38:37
being an equal opportunity. Shut
38:41
down. Teacher was fine with me.
38:41
Yeah, but he still picked on
38:46
her. Yeah.
38:47  Avery
I don't know. It was
38:47
weird. But I guess she picked on
38:49
him back because again, when he
38:49
assigns that thing, and she's
38:52
like, this is a good thing. This
38:52
is a good thing you're doing
38:54
she's probably given him a lot
38:54
of shit.
38:55  Rosey
I like that. Good. I
38:55
thought that interaction was
38:58
good. Yeah. Okay, wait, speaking
38:58
of teachers the flashing. Oh,
39:03
God,
39:03  Avery
that is another thing
39:03
that I don't it's inexplicable.
39:06
It's in excess. And then then
39:06
she just walks away and the
39:09
teacher doesn't even have an
39:09
express it looks like he gets
39:11
flashed every other day by his
39:11
students. Left and right. is
39:16
nothing new for students
39:30  Rosey
going on all she it would
39:30
have been better if she punched
39:34
him. Yeah. Like what
39:37  Avery
I like to think is that
39:37
she's like owning her sexuality.
39:40
A thing that she wouldn't for
39:40
him. Yeah, you know that I
39:44  Rosey
also that's all I could
39:44
come to was I wrote what the
39:47
fuck is the flashing Jesus? I
39:47
just kept thinking, Yeah, her
39:52
owning her body was all I could
39:52
come up. Yeah, she didn't. She
39:56
also then was like not treating
39:56
it like an overly precious thing
40:00
it was using. I've got a tool
40:00
here.
40:03  Avery
There it is. Yeah, I
40:03
don't know. It's bizarre. so
40:06
bizarre. I mean, I guess it's
40:06
another example of a
40:09
transaction. Like you. He's
40:09
using himself. So you had her
40:13
and she's using himself using
40:13
herself at a certain point. I
40:16
don't know. Super odd. Super,
40:16
super odd. Very weird. I also
40:20
love that the teacher refers to
40:20
him his upper middle class,
40:23
upper middle class looked way
40:23
different in the 90s than it
40:25
does now. Oh, my god, yeah. Oh,
40:25
rich, although that school that
40:30
they shot out is a real school
40:30
in Tacoma, Washington. And it's
40:35
a real public school. Oh, yeah.
40:35
Things are different out there.
40:40  Rosey
Well, I think that every
40:40
time I watch sex education every
40:43
time I watch it, because I do
40:43
watch it on repeat their school.
40:47
I mean, they're in England, so I
40:47
don't know anything but it is.
40:50
It's a castle Do they just build
40:50
everything like a castle out
40:53
there? And so all this
40:53
everything
40:57  Avery
is English. English.
40:57
There's a lot of sexual
41:01
harassment happening in general.
41:01
Like this guidance counselor.
41:05
The guiding is not a safe
41:05
person. But this is a stacked
41:11
cast. So good. This is like six
41:11
months before westwing came out.
41:16
Oh, Allison Janney. This is big
41:16
for her. This was the first
41:20
American movie for Heath Ledger.
41:20
Big deal
41:22  Rosey
for Julia Stiles and
41:22
Joseph Gordon Levitt. Yeah,
41:26
yeah. Yeah. Good casting
41:26
director. She
41:29  Avery
won an award show awards
41:29
for good. Thank God. She didn't
41:33
ask at homes. That's wrong. She
41:33
liked it. It is wrong. We liked
41:39
it. The gasoline read she talked
41:39
about how she really liked Katie
41:42
for but Katie was going off to
41:42
Dawson's Creek. Someone else.
41:45
She almost picked Kate Hudson.
41:45
But Goldie Hawn, her mom read
41:48
the script and said it was bad.
41:48
So she shouldn't take it.
41:51  Rosey
Fascinating, fascinating
41:51
thing about other movies.
41:54  Avery
I know she was in First
41:54
Wives Club. Did you see that?
41:57
That was
41:58  Rosey
in my head. The first
41:58
thing that popped into my head
42:00
was overboard. I never saw that.
42:00
It's horrifying to watch. Asking
42:07
yourself any questions? Oh, I
42:07
thought it was delightful. And
42:11
then I said, I don't know like
42:11
10 years ago, 10 years ago, and
42:16
just kept thinking No, no, what
42:16
is she is a rich Jackass and
42:21
falls overboard and gets
42:21
amnesia. And he this is how they
42:24
met Kurt Russell is a like came
42:24
on the boat to fix something or
42:29
something. So he knows who she
42:29
is. She ends up in the water.
42:33
The people in the boat with her
42:33
her mom and her fiance or
42:36
husband don't like her cars or
42:36
something. So they don't claim
42:39
her.
42:40  Avery
Oh my god.
42:42  Rosey
Or she can't be in jail.
42:42
She must be in some kind of
42:45
hospital. I don't know how Kurt
42:45
Russell ends up getting her out
42:49
of the hospital. But he says
42:49
yeah, that's my wife to like,
42:53
get back at her for being mean.
42:53
So he brings her to his home
42:58
with four Cree like crazy suns.
42:58
Like and then is like yeah,
43:03
these I can't believe you don't
43:03
remember them. Versus this is
43:06
your family or this would be a
43:06
horror movie today. And it was a
43:10
delightful rom com. She ends she
43:10
stays with him. Like she finds
43:15
out and then his suicide
43:15
synthesizes terrifying,
43:19
terrifying.
43:21  Avery
Rosey needs a minute.
43:21
Just thinking.
43:24  Rosey
Okay, so I'm jumping to
43:24
the she's drunk at the party. He
43:29
takes care of her in a
43:29
believable way. Yeah, so regular
43:33
human got a human person being
43:33
kind doesn't get her because
43:38
she's very drunk. Okay, good
43:38
move on to town that I've asked
43:42
about that. But in well, what's
43:42
your question? Well, you finish
43:46
it. Okay. My thought is I liked
43:46
that. He didn't kiss her but I
43:50
also would have had the I would
43:50
have been very upset if I was
43:53
her right because so rejected
43:53
rejected terrible 100 That's the
43:57
worst what I was gonna jump to
43:57
is his. I guess it's the an
44:00
apology song dance. Yes, I did.
44:00
I mean, he didn't seem that
44:05
embarrassed, but I like that he
44:05
was like, I will make a fool of
44:08
myself because you felt a fool
44:08
but you're not but but I'm
44:12
matching your embarrassment like
44:12
I'm trying to get somewhere with
44:15
embarrassin is just a little
44:15
thing to her one on one you'd be
44:19
like Yeah, but you feel fine.
44:19
And I want you to feel dumb.
44:24  Avery
Yeah. Oh, that's a good
44:24
point. I
44:26  Rosey
liked that. I didn't
44:26
think of that. This is why he
44:28
does enough little things. Okay,
44:28
you're not as bad as the other
44:31
guys.
44:31  Avery
Yeah, and he's done it
44:31
well to me as well cast because
44:34
you just feel safe his he's got
44:34
safe energy. i
44:37  Rosey
Oh, yeah. is absurd.
44:37
Yeah, I smiled back the TV. Like
44:44
involuntary
44:45  Avery
That is funny. I mean,
44:45
he's really good at it. But I
44:47
also kind of felt like he and I
44:47
don't know if this is acting,
44:50
but there was also sort of a
44:50
vibe where he seemed like almost
44:53
barely interested somehow to be
44:53
there. But yeah, it was good at
44:57
playing the cool guy. But yeah,
44:57
he definitely was like I'm gonna
45:00
do this to be in an American
45:00
movie. I can do other stuff,
45:03
which I thought was funny. Okay,
45:03
so going back to you didn't kiss
45:08
her because she was drunk. So I
45:08
read that in an article as well
45:11
when I was looking at stuff
45:11
after and I that I'd never even
45:15
crossed my mind I thought he
45:15
didn't kiss her because he was
45:17
being paid to be on that date
45:17
with her. Oh, I actually really
45:21
liked her and didn't want it to
45:21
be part of their transaction.
45:24
Interesting. That was my first
45:24
that I don't know that I'm
45:27
right.
45:28  Rosey
He but when he kisses or
45:28
is the first kiss is the painful
45:31
Yeah. And he's paid on to be on
45:31
that date or
45:34  Avery
no detention and they go
45:34
Oh, right. Yeah, they
45:38  Rosey
well first they go
45:38
paddleboarding. Not
45:42
paddleboarding it's paddle
45:42
boating Paddle boarding is
45:45
cooler
45:45  Avery
Cycle boating
45:47  Rosey
I have only been on those
45:47
at Girl Scout camp.
45:51  Avery
You know, they're fun.
45:53  Rosey
They're fun for like 32
45:53
seconds and then you're very
45:56
tired and you're stuck and
45:56
you're hot in this plastic
45:58
contraption I paddle boats
45:58
they're hard
46:01  Avery
to jump in and out of
46:01
I've definitely flipped a paddle
46:04
boat trying to get in
46:07  Rosey
the most buoyant
46:09  Avery
they're very bland but
46:09
then to get in you have to like
46:12
You're like
46:12  Rosey
but first and then Yeah,
46:12
it hurts because
46:15  Avery
it's plastic
46:17  Rosey
boats I don't like
46:17
getting in and out of a canoe
46:22
Rosehill pass on the boat no
46:22
kayak maybe but single person
46:26
kayak the paddle boards out
46:26
paddle for I will do like yeah,
46:31  Avery
no. So they she was not
46:31
being paid for that. That was
46:35
she initiated it with her tits
46:35
out with tension teacher. Okay,
46:42
I have a question for you. And I
46:42
felt like this was dating it
46:44
very intensely to 1999 Do you
46:44
prefer fruit roll up Fruit by
46:49
the Foot or fruit leather? Fruit
46:51  Rosey
Roll Up Fruit by the
46:51
Foot? Yeah, what's Fruit by the
46:55
Foot?
46:56  Avery
Fruit by the Foot is the
46:56
one that's the rolling long. You
46:59
want the long one right. And the
46:59
paper fruit roll up is like a
47:01
piece of paper. Oh, yeah. I hate
47:01
it. Yeah, I hate it too. He
47:04
asked for fruit roll up. And I
47:04
was like, Who wants the fruit
47:07
Rola for about a foot. Good
47:07
question. Anyway, I just had a
47:11
little flashback to like getting
47:11
home from school and going get
47:14
my fruit roll up. No, Shawn,
47:14
what? Did you not have it?
47:18
That's why I put in the fruit
47:18
ladder because I thought maybe
47:20
you know, that deck on his face
47:20
looks like a finger.
47:27  Rosey
Right? Looks
47:27  Avery
like a finger gun.
47:28  Rosey
I didn't. Yeah. Johnny,
47:28
Johnny,
47:32  Avery
Johnny Joey Donney
47:33  Rosey
The don't know what to do
47:33
with that character. I mean, he
47:35
was the dick character. He was
47:35
obsessed with his own modeling
47:39
good. looks right. But then he
47:39
was also I guess it just plays
47:44
into narcissists, that he could
47:44
just write on someone's face.
47:48
And that seemed didn't fit to me
47:48
with the rest of him that he
47:51
just grabbed another person's
47:51
face and started drawing on it.
47:55
I guess he just doesn't care
47:55
about other people.
47:57  Avery
Especially not my guy.
47:57
Yeah, he's a bully. Yeah. I
48:01
mean, he is a bully. The reason
48:01
why he's interested in Bianca is
48:04
because he had sex with I really
48:04
think what it is, is he wants to
48:07
have had sex with both the
48:07
sisters. It's nasty. And then
48:10
also like, maybe part of them is
48:10
trying to get revenge on cat or
48:13
something. I don't know. I mean,
48:13
he was like 14 And she said that
48:16
she didn't want to have sex
48:16
anymore. And so he broke he
48:18
broke up with her like, I know,
48:18
multiple 14 year old boys that
48:23
did that. At that time. It
48:23
didn't mean that he didn't like
48:26
that he didn't like her anymore.
48:26
So I'm sure he has a lot of not
48:30
reading too much into this
48:30
movie. But if you just look at
48:33
him as his own character, he
48:33
probably has a lot of conflicted
48:35
feelings towards cat Yeah, and
48:35
maybe some of what he's doing
48:38
Bianca is attention seeking for
48:38
cat Yep, could be totally who
48:42
knows.
48:43  Rosey
I have written down she
48:43
doesn't care she shot a person.
48:48
Yeah, talking
48:50  Avery
the arrow Oh yeah, she
48:50
shot in the back and they just
48:53
look at it and then keep going
48:53
Yes.
48:56  Rosey
stuff was the head even
48:56
self aware that they thought it
48:59
was funny like she cares so
48:59
little about everything going on
49:01
including the fact that she shot
49:01
someone
49:03  Avery
I don't it was something
49:03
it was a device though because
49:06
then later on the dad is on the
49:06
roof and he like he's like
49:10
boomerangs away some stretching
49:10
thing that he was using and they
49:13
both watch it go and then it
49:13
comes back at him because it
49:16
like hit someone else. I don't
49:16
even remember that. Yeah, cuz I
49:20
had noticed the arrow. Yeah. And
49:20
I was like, Oh, look at it
49:23
again. A lot. Just people
49:23
throwing off screen is weird.
49:28
super bizarre. I don't know. I
49:28
think I think the 90s sometimes
49:31
did we actually talked about
49:31
this before the 90s. And like
49:33
the early to mid 2000s had this
49:33
weird, surreal, like alternate
49:38
world thing going on with
49:38
comedies? I feel like that's
49:41
what this is. But I don't know.
49:41
I mean, if it's self aware about
49:45
it, what do you think it thinks
49:45
is happening? Oh, the only thing
49:48  Rosey
I would have taken from
49:48
that scene was showing that
49:50
Bianca also didn't care that
49:50
much about other people.
49:53  Avery
But so that the teacher
49:53
also looks and is not worried
49:56
about no one cares
49:57  Rosey
about it doesn't really
49:57
make any sense here Here's your
50:00
right. I thought it was weird
50:00
that Bianca just let them in her
50:04
sister's room. And then the
50:04
black underwear. Yeah, she wants
50:07
to have sex someday.
50:08  Avery
There's so many things
50:08
that I watched in movies like
50:12
this when I was in like middle
50:12
school where I was like, Oh, I
50:15
guess that's a truth of the
50:15
world. Yep. And now I look back
50:18
and I'm like, Who fucking put
50:18
this in here? It means nothing.
50:21
And then I was thinking what I
50:21
thought I was like, You know
50:23
what I do like my black. But it
50:23
was also like a pair of Bikini
50:31
cut regular cover underwear. It
50:31
was not like was
50:37  Rosey
just like all but
50:40  Avery
for weird. I don't know.
50:40
It's very bizarre. I have Heath
50:43
in high school. lol he's so
50:43
large.
50:47  Rosey
He's so much bigger than
50:47
Cameron. I know. He's a senior
50:50
verse of freshmen. But it's
50:50
enormous, enormous.
50:52  Avery
He's giant. He's much
50:52
bigger than Johnny Joe. Donnie
50:56
person.
50:56  Rosey
Johnny James Donnie.
50:56
Agreed. That guy also Johnny
51:02
James plays a jackass and so
51:02
many things. I feel like I
51:06
recognize him does like a jerk.
51:06
character. He's good at it.
51:11
Here's the question. Yeah, big
51:11
question. Who? How did Heath
51:16
Ledger get that band to go to
51:16
prom? And then sing directly to
51:21
her?
51:22  Avery
I don't wait. What am I
51:22
doing wrong? Yeah, he did
51:25
singing to
51:26  Rosey
her. He got her band. And
51:26
then the woman comes out and
51:29
sings directly to them. Oh, in
51:29
the crowd. Oh, I missed that. I
51:33
mean, he's a charming. He's a
51:33
charming motherfucker. But
51:37  Avery
yeah, that is impressive.
51:37
I mean, he makes moves. He's way
51:42
out of the League of this
51:42
school. He's like in Australia
51:45
for. got other things going on.
51:49  Rosey
I also liked at one point
51:49
someone says chicks can't play
51:53
instruments or like some joke
51:53
about how chicks can't play
51:56
instruments. And then they cut
51:56
to her at this club where a
51:59
woman is the performer but no
51:59
women are playing. And I was
52:04
like, You're literally making
52:04
the point of the bad joke. Yeah,
52:08
we're female rock bands. Yep.
52:08
There have always been women who
52:11
could play instruments, right?
52:11
But there definitely were female
52:14
rock bands in 1999.
52:15  Avery
Well, that's the thing
52:15
about this movie. I mean, it was
52:17
just, it was working with
52:17
limited resources. It was like
52:20
trying to paint a masterpiece
52:20
with four colors. I needed more.
52:24
I know
52:25  Rosey
the other things I've
52:25
written down but they said
52:26
because I had to write down
52:26
insurance doesn't cover PMS.
52:30
Yeah. Run them. Dad is so sexy.
52:30
You're covered nipples. Yep.
52:35
Near flavor nipples. Yeah. beer
52:35
flavor. Thank you. He can plow
52:38
whatever he wants. Yeah,
52:40  Avery
disgusting. Crazy. Yeah,
52:40
there's a lot of really bad
52:45
things.
52:46  Rosey
But then they have really
52:46
amazing film. Moments of the
52:50
flyers. And the music is the
52:50
flyers that
52:53  Avery
is that song sexy boy by
52:53
air on repeat in high school. I
52:58
love so good. So good. Also, I
52:58
was noticing all the plastic
53:04
like the single use plastic. So
53:04
much like she comes out and
53:09
she's she has one CD and a giant
53:09
plastic bag. Like girl.
53:15  Rosey
She smashes so hard into
53:15
that car. She really does. I
53:19
mean, I would have I was on our
53:19
side to hit it. He parked in not
53:23
a parking spot in in one lane.
53:23
He's an asshole. That was a hard
53:27
slam. Yeah, that door is just
53:27
fuck it's done. And they're both
53:31
just laughing just upper middle
53:31
class. upper middle class fools
53:36
who each have their own car
53:40  Avery
Let's see
53:41  Rosey
Love the melodrama of
53:41
Bianca, sadly sitting in her
53:45
tire swing when she can't go to
53:45
the prom.
53:48  Avery
Yes, but I think that's
53:48
beyond it. I didn't read that as
53:51
this is Bianca of now. I read
53:51
that as a vision of Bianca as a
53:55
little girl. Oh, like
53:58  Rosey
she was seeing her as a
53:58
little girl. Am I really gonna
54:00
take her dream away?
54:01  Avery
Yes. God, God. That's
54:01
what I was thinking. That makes
54:04
sense. That girl at the party
54:04
where she tries to kiss Heath,
54:09
and he says kiss him. Hmm. This
54:09
is another reason why I don't
54:13
think that he didn't kiss her
54:13
because she was too drunk. That
54:15
girl was too drunk too drunk to
54:15
be anywhere too drunk to be
54:18
kissing someone and then they
54:18
make a point he goes back and
54:21
the guy thinks him again three
54:21
times the guy thinks and three
54:24
times. Yeah. So then when it got
54:24
to he's not kissing her. I was
54:27
like, clearly this movie doesn't
54:27
give a fuck about kissing Drunk
54:30
girls.
54:30  Rosey
That's a good point. Or
54:30
we care when it's someone we
54:34
know. And when it's someone we
54:34
know which is just so classic
54:37
classic like and I have a
54:37
daughter so I can talk about
54:40  Avery
I once. Yeah, was it you
54:40
someone once shared with me
54:43
something where it was like if
54:43
you tell me that? If you tell me
54:47
that I wear if I wear a short
54:47
skirt late at night and I go
54:49
down an alley that it's my
54:49
fault. If I get assaulted. Then
54:55
really what you're telling me is
54:55
make sure it's some other girl
54:58
not me. Or something like that.
55:00  Rosey
That wasn't me, but I
55:00
agree with sentiment. Yeah, like
55:03
take care
55:03  Avery
of yourself and make sure
55:03
it happens someone else and not
55:05
to
55:05  Rosey
you. Yeah. gets fucked
55:05
up.
55:09  Avery
Oh goodness,
55:10  Rosey
I just saw a tick tock of
55:10
a woman who was doing like a
55:13
cell you know, it was like not
55:13
what it was like a selfie
55:15
version. And she saying I don't
55:15
normally do this, but something
55:20
weird seems to be happening over
55:20
there. I'm just leaving work. I
55:23
don't know. I don't know if I
55:23
want to get involved, but maybe
55:26
I should and walks over and just
55:26
goes Jessica and the girl
55:30
immediately it's like, hey, hey.
55:30
And then so the person on the
55:35
tic toc is like I can't believe
55:35
we were meeting over there like
55:39
Sorry, like whoops, long story
55:39
like gets the girl away and then
55:42
you hear going Thank you. I
55:42
don't know who the fuck that guy
55:45
is. He would not leave me alone.
55:45
Who's like we got it. You gotta
55:48
look out for each other. Yeah.
55:48
Oh, like it
55:51  Avery
her name wasn't even
55:51
Jessica. Oh.
55:54  Rosey
Yeah, yeah, and
55:54
immediately I've heard stories
55:57
like yeah, or but I like we
55:57
gotta
55:59  Avery
look out for each other.
55:59
Just hold back or hair Heath.
56:06
hairs so long. There's
56:06
definitely
56:09  Rosey
so much vomiter holding
56:09
back.
56:12  Avery
Also, if you held her
56:12
hair he also may be in concert
56:15  Rosey
because she had just
56:17  Avery
vomit at a time I could
56:17
have been there were many
56:18
reasons for many really
56:18
interesting reasons. Yes. Yeah,
56:22
agreed. It does seem like a lot
56:22
of effort for the money This was
56:25
the scene where is it? I think
56:25
if I had never watched the movie
56:28
before this is a scene where I
56:28
would have been like oh, this
56:31
isn't for the money no cuz he's
56:31
doing a lot throughout the whole
56:35
Yeah, it's
56:36  Rosey
he got
56:37  Avery
but he's like chasing her
56:37
around someone hair taking her
56:41
right you know he doesn't
56:43  Rosey
care that much about
56:43
those other two guys get a
56:45
younger
56:46  Avery
buck. No. He like barely
56:46
seems aware of.
56:50  Rosey
Yeah, a few times he
56:50
gives Cameron like some advice.
56:52
Oh, in are they at prom? How did
56:52
Cameron invite I guess? I had
56:58
the same little button of a
56:58
thing button
57:01  Avery
of a man. Cutie Cute is
57:01
button. Yeah, but tiny. What
57:06
does he mean by she's without?
57:09  Rosey
I don't know. I rewound
57:09
and put on subtitles because I
57:11
thought I just must have
57:12  Avery
missed it. Yeah. What is
57:12
it
57:14  Rosey
supposed to mean to some
57:14
deep without spark without
57:16
gumption without? Like fill in
57:16
the blank? Is it a
57:19  Avery
fill in the blank? You're
57:19
an adventurer. Choose Your Own
57:21
Adventure and also choose your
57:21
own sexism because that's just
57:24
another example of Let's rank
57:24
these women. Yeah, she has less
57:27
than you. So I like you more.
57:27
Like it's one of those
57:30
backhanded things were in when
57:30
we were in high school and
57:33
someone said that to you. You
57:33
would be like yeah, so I'm with
57:37
Yep. And nowadays, like fuck
57:37
you, buddy.
57:40  Rosey
Also to get out of here.
57:40
Amos. Like you're not like other
57:43
girls. Exactly. There's a song
57:43
called some girls. I think
57:48
that's what they call by Hailee
57:48
Steinfeld. I do love Hailee
57:51
Steinfeld. And it is it's like I
57:51
like all girls are badass as
57:58
summer like this summer like
57:58
this. Some of the best like
58:00
yeah, whatever the tone of it
58:00
is. All girls are great. That's
58:04
not a compliment. Say or not
58:04
like other girls,
58:06  Avery
right? Get out of here.
58:06
Yeah. And the movie does do a
58:09
good job of like, I think Bianca
58:09
is just as badass and cool and
58:12
strong as cat. She just has a
58:12
different way and 100 of the
58:16
world. So
58:17  Rosey
does the friend who's
58:17
wearing like, garb from?
58:21
Whatever
58:22  Avery
William Shakespeare's
58:22
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I yeah, I
58:26
don't know. That was pretty
58:26
toxic.
58:29  Rosey
But to your point about
58:29
Bianca being badass punches him
58:32
right smack in the face. That
58:32
was very satisfying. Donnie,
58:35  Avery
Donnie, Donnie. Yeah.
58:35
Johnny, Joey. Yeah, for sure.
58:40
Oh, yeah. And then when he calls
58:40
Bianca selfish when Cameron
58:44
calls younger, selfish, is it
58:44
selfish? That she uses what she
58:48
has in this limited sexist
58:48
world?
58:50  Rosey
No, I also don't think
58:50
that's what he I don't know the
58:53
way that conversation played
58:53
out. It felt like he was saying,
58:57
You don't like me? That's
58:57
selfish. Like it didn't even
59:00
make any sense. It felt like
59:00
male entitlement.
59:05  Avery
Well, I think he meant
59:05
selfish because she was in on
59:07
the like, plan with him and knew
59:07
that he liked her but was really
59:11
doing it so she couldn't be a
59:11
Jimmy John either
59:13  Rosey
way to answer a question.
59:13
No, I don't think she's being
59:15
selfish. No, no, no.
59:16  Avery
And also, you don't even
59:16
know this girl. You saw her for
59:19
like two seconds and decided
59:19
you're in love with her.
59:23  Rosey
Projected everything you
59:23
wanted and think a woman should
59:25
be on to her. Yeah, it was also
59:25
she she was fucking fine it
59:28  Avery
French and also, why do
59:28
everything fucking selfish? She
59:31
does seem good at French. He is
59:31
selfish because he's paying
59:35
someone to take on another woman
59:35
and be a fucking asshole so you
59:39
can maybe date he's not even
59:39
that's true. He's not even
59:42
paying he's just a leech. On
59:42
this system,
59:46  Rosey
I don't like him get out
59:46
of here. Cameron get out of here
59:49
Cameron. He's a gym helper for
59:51  Avery
shoot is a button sock
59:51
off toxic soft boy if I've ever
59:55
seen Okay, yeah, I said root of
59:55
toxic beta. Yeah, toxic soft
59:58
toys better
59:59  Rosey
hate him. I'm not into
59:59
him. I don't like Michael Aesop.
1:00:03
fuck boy. That's what they're
1:00:03
it's called soft boy but it is a
1:00:07
version of fuck boy. Gotcha.
1:00:07
Like the kind sweet version of
1:00:10
it. You've talked about them
1:00:10
forever. We just didn't have a
1:00:12
name. Ah, I feel like you were
1:00:12
at. I was learning about it was
1:00:15
like this. Yeah, I know these
1:00:15
people I know these people
1:00:20  Avery
know you can't get past
1:00:20
us.
1:00:27  Rosey
Well, no you can't. And
1:00:27
so here
1:00:31  Avery
so now we know we know
1:00:31
the stuff. We are not related I
1:00:35
guess. Keep our hands go find
1:00:35
someone else if it's not, you
1:00:40
know, it's not gonna be me it's
1:00:40
gonna be someone else. And in
1:00:42
this case, I'm fine with it. Oh
1:00:42
my god. We're trying to educate
1:00:47
people, but they don't want to
1:00:47
hear. Women are so easy to game
1:00:51
in this movie. Like they in one
1:00:51
hand, they make them so smart.
1:00:54
And then in other ways, they're
1:00:54
just so fucking dumb.
1:00:56  Rosey
I agree. I agree. At one
1:00:56
point, I started wondering if
1:00:59
Bianca was playing dumb. Yeah,
1:00:59
because it sounds it felt too
1:01:03
unbelievable. This girl was this
1:01:03
dumb.
1:01:05  Avery
And the actress is just
1:01:05
too smart. I guess she Yeah, she
1:01:08
also auditioned for cat. So she
1:01:08
definitely had it in or to do
1:01:13
something else. And that makes
1:01:13
sense. Yeah. Okay. So when he
1:01:17
they've had their fight or
1:01:17
whatever. And she's like in the
1:01:20
store, playing the guitar, and
1:01:20
then he's there at the book shop
1:01:24
or whatever. He's legitimately
1:01:24
stalking. Yeah, he's just
1:01:27
following her around. He doesn't
1:01:27
even the music store. No, that's
1:01:32
great. Her eyes are closed.
1:01:32
Yeah.
1:01:34  Rosey
And he just hovers. It is
1:01:34
weird. Bizarre. It is weird. It
1:01:47
is weird. But it's just like so
1:01:47
much more than weird. So that's
1:01:50
why it's so funny that you said
1:01:50
there's a lot of emphasis here.
1:01:56  Avery
Oh, we get some platform
1:01:56
flip flops. Did you have
1:01