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episode 169: Bel-Air - To Viv & Die in L.A. [transcript]


 Well this is a story all about... a sad boy visiting sad rich people in the hopes and dreams to live and die in LA. Meet us in the jawn as we discuss Bel-Air this week.

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 2022-04-12  49m
 
 
00:00  KT
It's another week in the
00:00
foyer reference household, and
00:03
we are toasting Bel Air, mansion
00:03
and otherwise, to the many so
00:11
far of reboots and remakes that
00:11
we've already covered on this
00:14
podcast. Mortal Kombat comes to
00:14
mind, Chucky Halloween. I guess
00:20
we'll see how belif is on that
00:20
pendulum of continuing to Rican
00:26
tune consumable media. Let's get
00:26
on with the show.
00:54
Hey, friends and John lovers.
00:54
Welcome back to the Fourier Fs
00:58
podcast. You got your host
00:58
Katie, and Dodie. Well, this is
01:03
a story all about sad, a sad boy
01:03
going to some sad, rich people
01:08
to live and die in LA. Is that
01:08
right or at? Oh, let's get into
01:15
general stats and information.
01:15
In other announcements. Hey,
01:19
welcome, welcome. Welcome.
01:19
spoiler, spoiler, spoiler,
01:23
possibly slapping, slapping,
01:23
slapping, right RT. So this show
01:28
was based off of the original
01:28
Fresh Prince of Bel Air, we're
01:32
not necessarily going to cover
01:32
the show today. And according to
01:37
our in the alley, sort of
01:37
statistics I think we're all in
01:41
the same sort of age group to be
01:41
aware and really love fresh
01:45
prints, but we're really not
01:45
going to get into that today.
01:48
We're really going to focus on
01:48
the reboot. So this was created
01:51
off of Andean Susan borrow. It's
01:51
based on a concept by Benny
01:56
Medina, Jeff Polak above the rim
01:56
some some great classics that we
02:01
need to get into into the
02:01
podcast developed by Morgan
02:04
Cooper, Malcolm Spellman, TJ
02:04
Bray Brady and Rasheed Newson in
02:08
regards to cast cast cause you
02:08
know, you always joke about how
02:13
I said Daniel Kaluga is an up
02:13
and comer forever, and I will
02:17
always hold that Bastion ot but
02:17
there are some casts that I
02:21
would like to keep an eye on.
02:21
But just capturing off the top
02:25
and IMDb we have Jabari banks
02:25
Cassandra Freeman, Jimmy Aachen
02:29
bola and we got to give a shout
02:29
out to ollie charlatan? Oh,
02:34
apparently not. Let's get into
02:34
first impressions. Like I
02:38
mentioned, we will be covering
02:38
the release 2022. Peacock TV
02:44
series, but feel free to give a
02:44
little peppering about fresh
02:47
prints. I'm assuming it made its
02:47
way all over to Kenya. And how
02:51
did you feel about this show?
02:51
Because we definitely went on a
02:54
roller coaster. Watching these
02:54
10 episodes are taken away my
02:58
love.
02:59  Oti
Yeah, I loved the original
02:59
fresh prints I think most of the
03:03
people did. I really didn't know
03:03
what to expect. With this we'd
03:07
seen some nondescript trailer, I
03:07
would even call it a trailer it
03:11
was more of a teaser of what to
03:11
expect with a
03:14  KT
show very dramatic. Yep,
03:14
very much drama. And
03:19  Oti
to be honest, I wasn't keen
03:19
on watching it or false or I
03:23
think even watching the pilot, I
03:23
was a bit skeptical. I didn't
03:27
know whether or not we'll
03:27
continue watching it. But for
03:30
some reason we watch the second
03:30
episode out of I think we're
03:35
just bought it or like, let's
03:35
just you know, let's just rip
03:39
this band aid. Ba that's what
03:39
got us hooked and have not
03:42
looked back.
03:44  KT
Yeah, and I think it was
03:44
from somebody encouragement from
03:47
our beloved friends and lovers
03:47
because I remember posting on
03:50
Twitter and Instagram, that
03:50
we're pretty much done with this
03:53
show. And we were encouraged by
03:53
quite a few people to continue
03:58
watching the show. And I guess
03:58
just generally I love the Fresh
04:01
Prince. It's not to the level of
04:01
Sister Sister, or I can recall
04:05
Lisa getting a scarf stuck in
04:05
the rotisserie chicken aisle, or
04:09
the grocery store. And I guess
04:09
that's the shout outs to the
04:12
Sister Sister friends or lovers
04:12
out there. But I did have a good
04:16
time watching fresh prints. Like
04:16
you I was very dubious about the
04:21
concept of turning such a jovial
04:21
you know, consumable sort of
04:28
week to week sitcom, if you
04:28
will, into a very dramatic sort
04:33
of format. I was very dubious to
04:33
it. But I guess the good thing,
04:39
podcast watching and many other
04:39
tasting wise, we always give
04:43
something a go. And I think it
04:43
was credit to that that we
04:47
actually tried it. It's very
04:47
rare friends and lovers where we
04:52
will not even try something. So
04:52
likely, like you said even even
04:58
though we had watched the first
04:58
couple of episodes, there still
05:01
wasn't a lot there. I would say,
05:01
friends or lovers, if you're
05:04
listening to this episode,
05:04
because you're like, Oh, I give
05:08
up. You know, I don't want to
05:08
keep watching. I've watched a
05:11
couple of episodes too. Well, we
05:11
got to the end. And I would say
05:15
maybe not. But there was a whole
05:15
journey. And there were some
05:18
interesting sort of arcs with
05:18
the characters. So I would
05:21
encourage you to continue. But
05:21
after that pilot, I can
05:25
definitely understand why us and
05:25
maybe other people decided not
05:29
to continue or felt like it was
05:29
a hard slog to continue because
05:34
I guess understandably so, but
05:34
no one is asking you as well. So
05:38
I don't really, I don't really
05:38
put a lot of stock in the
05:41
argument of, you know, there's a
05:41
lot riding on their shoulders.
05:44
There's a lot of expectation, no
05:44
one asks you to do it. So if
05:48
you're going to reboot
05:48
something, if you're going to
05:52
regurgitate what we've already
05:52
gurjit tasted like it needs to
05:56
be done in a way that is
05:56
interesting, that is compelling
06:00
in some sort of way. And I think
06:00
to get us to be steeped in the
06:05
dramatic sort of Sverre of
06:05
Bellaire was really, ot would
06:10
enjoy this friends reference, a
06:10
pivot, it was a very hard pivot.
06:15
It was a very hard pivot to get
06:15
us to where we needed to be and
06:19
what we knew the show to be. And
06:19
very naturally, because we've
06:24
grown up and you know, for a
06:24
long time, even though Will
06:27
Smith became a blockbuster, oh,
06:27
there you go. Bad Boys. Go and
06:31
check out our bad boys episode.
06:31
But to do it, and to do it when
06:38
no one is asking it was
06:38
definitely a hot asked to do.
06:43
And I would say even for myself,
06:43
it took me a while to stop being
06:47
annoying. Stop pulling my
06:47
glasses up and be like,
06:50
actually, not how Uncle Phil
06:50
was. But to be fair, rest and
06:55
love and peace and power, James
06:55
Avery, because Uncle Phil
06:58
definitely had a presence to
06:58
him. And I guess you can say he
07:02
had a physical stature. But he
07:02
commanded so much in a room,
07:07
right? So it was that sort of
07:07
disassociation I had to do if I
07:13
was going to enjoy it on some
07:13
sort of level. Once we got past
07:18
the pilot, I would say, you
07:18
know, it really felt like they
07:21
tried to fit everyone into the
07:21
pilot. And unfortunately that
07:24
kind of like for all of the sort
07:24
of care that went into some of
07:29
the characters. Ashley kind of
07:29
didn't really evolve past the
07:33
pilot, unfortunately. And I
07:33
think because we'll and Ashley
07:38
had such a cute sort of dynamic
07:38
in the original. I was expecting
07:42
a bit more. The treatment on
07:42
Ashley's character felt very
07:46
season three of the Shire to me.
07:46
Oh, wow. Yeah, that's a deep
07:51
dude cut right there. But I
07:51
think generally, I really did. I
07:58
really did find myself enjoying
07:58
week to week watching the
08:03
episodes, I would say maybe from
08:03
Episode three onwards, but man
08:08
like maybe we shouldn't start
08:08
with this and we should continue
08:11
being positive. But that finale
08:11
OT.
08:15  Oti
Yeah, such a
08:15
disappointment. I think though
08:19
building up to something
08:19
grandiose that just didn't
08:23
happen for me. And I kept
08:23
questioning. Wait, what was that
08:26
the secret to sorry? Are you
08:26
kidding me?
08:30  KT
Unsubscribe from Oprah's
08:30
book club. If that's the secret?
08:33
Like
08:34  Oti
why would we'll get angrier
08:34
that why will it destroy the
08:37
family? Yeah, it's she fought
08:37
not to that degree
08:41  KT
to draw it out to draw it
08:41
out and to bring the big men
08:46
them Jeffrey. Jeffrey, he
08:46
deserves his own section and we
08:53
will come to the Mendham in a
08:53
second, but obviously we're
08:57
going to kick this show off with
08:57
will. It was very cringy. Again,
09:04
a lot of the pilot I would put
09:04
in the bin. I would probably
09:09
start from Episode Two. But
09:09
there was something about the
09:14
setting up of his character.
09:14
Like he just came off a bit
09:18
precious, you know, like even
09:18
his mom It was like she couldn't
09:22
be on the screen and not
09:22
mentioned that the crown was
09:25
waiting for him. He had to just
09:25
be ready to wear it.
09:28  Oti
Yeah, that and the fact
09:28
that I think they've mentioned
09:31
John in a million times in the
09:31
past episode alone.
09:36  KT
And I believe it's J A wn
09:36
John
09:39  Oti
Zhao and wow like wow it's
09:39
like watching Ken and hearing
09:46
the say grand every time it's
09:46
doubling the ticket will was
09:50
interesting. I think they gave
09:50
him a lot to work with. Yes, the
09:54
pilot was a big mess. But once
09:54
it gets through that we get to
09:58
see well and his story
09:58
developing in a more interesting
10:03
way. We get to see him struggle
10:03
with the repercussions of you
10:07
know, him fucking upgrades like
10:07
forever and really not dealing
10:12
with it or even thinking about
10:12
it.
10:14  KT
Well, let's be clear about
10:14
this and I don't think there was
10:18
there any sort of remorse on
10:18
wills part and I guess he could
10:21
just chalk it up to being
10:21
Khalid, young, dumb and broke or
10:25
maybe waiting Brady's young dumb
10:25
and broke, right? But it did
10:29
feel like he was taking no
10:29
responsibility. But again,
10:33
without having any children. I
10:33
would imagine if you keep
10:36
propping up your son to be a
10:36
fucking Prince, he's going to be
10:39
a fucking asshole. But you're
10:39
absolutely right, because he's
10:46
the one that wanted the smoke.
10:46
He's the one that wanted to go
10:49
and fight Darnell, it made sense
10:49
for Trey to have a gun because
10:53
out here in the streets. It's
10:53
not safe.
10:56  Oti
No streets need a body.
10:56
straights do need
10:59  KT
a body. Wow, well compelling
10:59
drum dramatic series. But yeah,
11:06
like, ah, there were definitely
11:06
some kinks that we were working
11:10
through in the first few sort of
11:10
episodes. But what I really
11:13
liked about it was sort of the
11:13
dynamic between him and Trey.
11:18
Because Trey Trey been saying,
11:18
you know, like, nothing changed
11:22
about him and there's nothing
11:22
wrong with will changing.
11:25
There's nothing wrong with will
11:25
taking the opportunities. But
11:28
there was a really there's a
11:28
really poignant scene between
11:31
the two of them when Trey's
11:31
finishing up his visit, and
11:35
they're having this
11:35
conversation, which I think also
11:39
is a call back to one of the I
11:39
think it was in the first
11:42
episode, where jazz is talking
11:42
to well, and he's like, you
11:45
know, this city will make you
11:45
forget who you are. But I think
11:49
the John forgot who the John was
11:49
John. You know, speaking of West
11:55
Philly or Philadelphia in
11:55
general, Quinto Bronson doesn't
11:58
use John all the time. The kids
11:58
don't use John and advertise
12:02
Elementary.
12:03  Oti
Yeah, they're just not
12:03
doing Philly, right.
12:08  KT
But I really liked the
12:08
levels that we had there.
12:12
Because, again, there was
12:12
nothing wrong with will being
12:16
given and taking advantage of
12:16
opportunities that were handed
12:20
to him. But at the same time,
12:20
there is that is there is that
12:26
sense of cleaning up your
12:26
messes, right? You you might not
12:29
be a full adult, but you are a
12:29
young man, and you kind of need
12:33
to take responsibility for the
12:33
mess that you made. And you
12:36
know, it was a cute little
12:36
sitcom intro I got one little
12:40
fire and my mom got scared. But
12:40
that was like elongated and was
12:45
a compelling theme throughout
12:45
all of this show. And I guess
12:48
while we're here, what did you
12:48
think about the storyline, you
12:51
know, without having context of,
12:51
you know, gangs in America, but
12:56
what were your thoughts on
12:56
Darnell going all the way to try
13:00
and track him down in LA did
13:00
that feel a bit like
13:03
incredulous, do you?
13:05  Oti
It did obat I just chalked
13:05
it up to the need to draw?
13:11  KT
Well, it definitely matched
13:11
the big man things that Jeffrey
13:15
was bringing as well.
13:16  Oti
Oh yeah. Oh, Jeffrey is a
13:16
fixer man. But he's his
13:24
insistence on following and
13:24
really hooked up on getting well
13:27
was a bit ridiculous, but I
13:27
think how it was dealt with or
13:32
how it disappeared like it was
13:32
just a moment it was a scene
13:36
with Chapter saying stick a girl
13:36
and then next minute he's dead.
13:43  KT
Oh, you did say streets need
13:43
a buddy. We just didn't know it
13:46
was gonna be from a Brittani and
13:46
man but I thought that was quite
13:51
interesting and not for nothing
13:51
but it did remind me of the wire
13:56
when I think it was birdie. That
13:56
was the they realized that the
14:00
radio like kind of stopped
14:00
outside of Baltimore. And like
14:04
realizing how big the world is.
14:04
So in my head, your local beef
14:08
stays in the local area. But
14:08
anyway, so like with wills
14:13
character, but I'll tell you
14:13
what, I cannot succinctly
14:16
pinpoint when, why and how. But
14:16
I came to to become indeed to
14:25
will i A Jabari banks, and if we
14:25
if we can talk very quickly
14:31
about Jabari banks. I am excited
14:31
to see where he's going to go. I
14:35
don't know if it transcends out
14:35
of this and I kind of worry
14:38
about this with Dan's and Idris
14:38
outside of snowfall. But if you
14:42
say it outside of the context of
14:42
this episode, I'll deny that I
14:45
ever said it. But I do wonder
14:45
you know how far reaching Jabari
14:50
banks his career will be outside
14:50
of this because he made me feel
14:54
things I didn't expect to and I
14:54
guess also surprise with only
14:58
making me feel things for
14:58
Carlton But we'll get to that.
15:01
But I think just generally, if
15:01
we're talking about primo
15:05
talent, Jabari banks is
15:05
definitely one to watch out for
15:08
sure.
15:08  Oti
He does bring the fields to
15:08
this. It takes them warming up
15:12
to seeing with all the BA we do
15:12
that at the end, and I think
15:17
that definitely want to watch.
15:19  KT
Absolutely. Is there
15:19
anything else you want to say
15:21
about Well, I would say that you
15:21
know him hooking up with Lisa
15:26
come on man hunt love messiness.
15:26
Yeah, yeah, no, at that point,
15:31
you do love messiness, because
15:31
I'm sure there are many, many
15:34
more, you know, young women,
15:34
young black women in Bel Air, if
15:38
you know, that's what we're
15:38
talking about. You know, he was
15:42
just Michael Ealing that shit,
15:42
and we'll come to Michael Elian.
15:47
But I really liked Well, I think
15:47
tonally, if we're talking
15:52
tonally, there were definitely
15:52
moments that they tried to push,
15:56
you know, will sort of goofiness
15:56
in moments where it didn't
16:00
necessarily make sense. It was
16:00
still a forced moment, but I
16:04
would say one of my favorite
16:04
moments of him bringing the
16:07
levity and being that sort of
16:07
goofy is when Phil banks, when
16:11
they will do the whole Yama
16:11
crawl thing they had as Issa Rae
16:15
would say an insecure is that
16:15
choreography? Yeah. Like, I
16:20
think that was quite a cute
16:20
moment. There are some cute
16:23
moments. Well, it didn't start
16:23
off cute. But when when Will and
16:29
Carlton were petitioning, they
16:29
were trying to get votes
16:32
fulfill. Or for Uncle Phil, it
16:32
feels wrong to say feel Uncle
16:36
Phil, you know, they they did
16:36
have a brief sort of tiffs in
16:41
regards to politics and, you
16:41
know, it needs to go beyond
16:46
proselyting. It needs to
16:46
actually service the community
16:50
in a meaningful sort of way.
16:50
Invite them to your $1,000 table
16:54
dinners. I don't know I think
16:54
totally. It doesn't need to do
17:02
anything. Because who am I
17:02
really but I think if something
17:06
can be worked on, it can
17:06
definitely be the tonality of
17:09
the show. Yeah, great. Here do
17:09
you want to go to next is cotton
17:13
the natural transition?
17:15  Oti
Of course.
17:17  KT
Okay, thoughts feelings.
17:19  Oti
So let's start, he comes
17:19
off very unlikable. I don't Java
17:25
them at all, it takes a bit of
17:25
warming up to until the start
17:29
giving him a story. Because we
17:29
get introduced to him just being
17:34
the acceptable black kid in a
17:34
white school. And it rubs will
17:42
add me the wrong way with how he
17:42
accepts to be treated, or he
17:46
just thinks it's oh, this is
17:46
just for fun. And until he
17:52
starts realizing what all that
17:52
means to him. As a black person,
17:57
I think that's when we start to
17:57
open up to him and how he's
18:01
feeling and all the anxiety he
18:01
has to deal with. And it also
18:06
explains his drug taking, you
18:06
know, so he, it's a slow bond
18:10
with him. But we do get that at
18:10
the end. And that's what I'm
18:12
thankful for. By the end of it.
18:12
I think he is becoming one of
18:16
the most likable characters in
18:16
this. Yeah, which is wild. I
18:20
didn't think I'd ever say that
18:20
credit
18:21  KT
to writing definitely credit
18:21
to writing. But I would also say
18:25
credit to us for being open to
18:25
the experience and the friends
18:29
we made along the way. I
18:29
absolutely agree with what
18:34
you're saying. Because, you
18:34
know, like, you know, there is a
18:38
whole conversation about code
18:38
switching, there's a whole
18:41
conversation about having to
18:41
play the amicable, like black
18:46
person role in a society in a
18:46
workplace in a school. And
18:52
that's its own conversation. But
18:52
I think when we were first
18:55
introduced to Carlton, it felt
18:55
as though he was more than happy
19:00
to take that wreckage on page
19:00
chicken George from roots sort
19:04
of role like, like, even if he
19:04
had no choice to play the role.
19:08
He was willingly casting himself
19:08
into that role. Right. And I
19:13
think that that was part of the
19:13
barrier. I don't think it was
19:17
necessarily that you know,
19:17
Carlton was so happy go lucky in
19:21
the original therefore, I
19:21
couldn't be on board with this
19:24
one. I think it's just he was
19:24
like, Passion of the Christ
19:28
Carlton. There was no there was
19:28
no levity he was wriggle your
19:36
big toe Uma Thurman in Kill Bill
19:36
like there was no reprieve for
19:41
this Carlton character and you
19:41
know, like he was he definitely
19:46
had his like substance abuse
19:46
issues as well. But it felt like
19:51
a lot at once, right? was still
19:51
getting to know you guys. And
19:54
it's like they're like, give us
19:54
a second. Any highlights for
19:59
you? You for Carlton's
19:59
character.
20:01  Oti
I think when he realizes he
20:01
doesn't own Lisa, and the world
20:05
doesn't revolve around him,
20:05
young men don't own young women,
20:09
apparently not hot, boiled. The
20:09
things people have to learn
20:13
every day,
20:14  KT
wild and relearn, right?
20:18  Oti
I think up until that
20:18
point, that's when he started
20:20
becoming more likeable. Because
20:20
yeah, he just had to accept that
20:25
shit.
20:26  KT
But did he become more
20:26
likeable? Or did they just give
20:29
him a couple of scenes where he
20:29
was amicable with will and then
20:32
they stopped showing him for a
20:32
bit.
20:35  Oti
That would work? Yeah.
20:35
Absence makes the heart grow
20:38
fonder, doesn't it? i The time
20:38
we see him, his speaking sense,
20:43
you know, I think when he times
20:43
to will. That was a really good
20:49
moment when he was like, you
20:49
know, I've heard about problems.
20:51
I've had anxiety and just them
20:51
having a bond. Yeah. I think
20:56
that was one of the best moments
20:56
in the show as well.
21:00  KT
Oh, absolutely. I think
21:00
yeah, I think of Carlton's
21:04
character. I think when he he
21:04
allowed himself to be
21:08
vulnerable, and he allowed will
21:08
to be there for him. Like 100
21:14
This made me roll my eyes a bit.
21:14
I'm pretty sure it was Will's
21:17
mom that was talking to Carlton
21:17
being like, Oh, you always said
21:20
you wanted a brother. This is
21:20
kind of the way that God gave it
21:25
to you and I'm like, may like
21:25
you don't need to bring the
21:28
cheese like we get that they're
21:28
having a brotherly bond, right.
21:32
You don't have to pull it out.
21:32
Your crown is waiting for you.
21:34
You just need to be ready to put
21:34
it on cheese. Yes, provide
21:40
definitely has got some demons
21:40
she needs to deal with. But
21:43
let's continue on with the
21:43
bank's kids. I am going to love
21:48
Coco Jones. I wasn't aware of
21:48
her in her Disney sort of part
21:53
of her career. I like I don't
21:53
really I don't know. I really
22:00
enjoyed Hillary in the original.
22:00
I don't think there's anything
22:04
wrong with having a ditzy, aloof
22:04
woman like I think there's still
22:09
room for that. I think there's
22:09
still an appetite for that. And
22:12
I feel that that's still part of
22:12
the experience of being a woman.
22:17
You know, some you've
22:17
motherfuckers are daft as fuck.
22:20
It's okay. But you dress nice,
22:20
and you're cute and your fun.
22:26
Like, I really enjoyed that
22:26
healer I couldn't get past her
22:30
just being chill and normal.
22:30
Like I because of that sense.
22:35
She doesn't stand out. She kind
22:35
of like, I don't know, between
22:39
you and IoT, like I could have
22:39
taken her lever. And I'm not
22:42
saying Koko Jones. I'm saying
22:42
Hillary's character. She was
22:45
kind of just there.
22:47  Oti
Yeah, she was just that and
22:47
not because she wanted to pull
22:50
herself as intelligent she
22:50
really stand on her own. But
22:54
then on the other hand relying
22:54
on a parent for everything.
22:58
Yeah, I'm like, Yeah, you know,
22:58
you can just dies or criticize
23:04
your parents for doing one
23:04
thing. And then the next video
23:08
see like, oh,
23:09  KT
accepting opportunities that
23:09
we've set up for her. Yeah. And
23:13
her going on Instagram or
23:13
whatever equivalent of live and
23:17
complaining about
23:17
representation. And it's like no
23:20
bibs. No, it doesn't work that
23:20
way. And I think she was also
23:24
forgetting to check her
23:24
privilege at the door because,
23:28
you know, as much as she's all
23:28
high and mighty, she can afford
23:32
to say no to such a life
23:32
changing opportunity. And that
23:35
is fucking privilege right there
23:37  Oti
and allow the fact that
23:37
Jaws pulled up on a lot of
23:42  KT
talk about friends and
23:42
lovers, since we were talking
23:46
about the Mendham. Jeffrey plebs
23:46
is something that we referenced
23:51
it a lot, but you know, plebs a
23:51
TV show, it was very Lithia
23:55
vase, like at a very particular
23:55
angle. I never thought Jordan l
23:59
Jones looked like Tupac until
23:59
you reinforced it and there was
24:03
a particular angle and I'm like,
24:03
Ah, that's the money shot.
24:11
No, but you're absolutely right.
24:11
And but you know, I said it a
24:14
couple of times. I really think
24:14
Hillary deserved Jazz's patience
24:19
and his wisdom and they they
24:19
fell into the bed chambers quite
24:24
quickly, actually. Yeah. Not
24:24
even in a slut shaming way just
24:28
in the sense that you thought
24:28
that we're going to tease out
24:31
will they won't they Rachel Ross
24:31
see I'm coming for your friends
24:35
I know your references don't
24:35
make me try and watch it again.
24:38  Oti
Oh, well they did multiple
24:38
times it's just the the broke up
24:41
afterwards.
24:44  KT
Oh castle or bones. You
24:44
know, whenever you get the
24:47
characters of will they weren't
24:47
they? I didn't realize is going
24:50
to happen so soon. And I want to
24:50
focus on a particular because I
24:53
think Hillary got if we're not
24:53
talking about well, and even on
24:57
a certain extent, Carlton, I
24:57
think he'll already got a lot of
25:01
meaty sort of storylines, if
25:01
you'll pardon the chef or insert
25:05
the chef pan. I want to talk
25:05
about this because well, first
25:08
of all, the footage that was
25:08
gathered at that party, I
25:12
thought that was going to be
25:12
create a bombshell and Uncle
25:15
Phil's political race. I thought
25:15
that was going to just wreak
25:19
havoc, right? Because there were
25:19
actual conversations. I think
25:22
jazz was having it with Trey,
25:22
talking about the fact that
25:25
Uncle Phil saved will. Right,
25:25
there was so much that was being
25:30
discussed in way of being able
25:30
to incriminate this family,
25:35
right? Yeah, I thought that was
25:35
going to amount to something.
25:39
And you know, I'm actually
25:39
surprised that did it. And it
25:42
would be weird to drag that out
25:42
into the second season, because
25:45
it shows now been announced into
25:45
a second season. But what I
25:48
wanted to talk about was the
25:48
concept of like an influencer
25:52
house. I felt really gross about
25:52
that. I thought it was going to
25:56
get very me to and I actually I
25:56
would have applauded the show if
26:01
they were to take that sort of
26:01
angle. Because, you know, I
26:04
think it's the 2020s equivalent
26:04
of Stranger danger, right?
26:09  Oti
Yeah, I'd go with like a
26:09
simpIe.
26:12  KT
Nice. Yeah, I thought that
26:12
was going to amount to something
26:18
else. And we probably don't have
26:18
a lot of time today to go
26:22
through it. But when we were
26:22
watching the show, and part of
26:25
our reluctance to continue, you
26:25
know, I tweeted that Carlton is
26:29
eventually going to learn the
26:29
hard lesson, that rich privilege
26:33
is not white privilege. And I
26:33
think he did learn that. And it
26:36
was heartbreaking, because we
26:36
got to a point where we, you
26:39
know, actually cared for this
26:39
motherfucker. But to see him go
26:43
through that journey. You know,
26:43
kudos, kudos to the show for
26:47
taking him through that. But I
26:47
don't think Hillary went all the
26:51
way there in regards to
26:51
acknowledging her sort of
26:53
privilege. First of all, it's
26:53
her laughing at people in the
26:58
comments telling her she's crazy
26:58
for turning down, you know, the
27:01
sponsorship deals, and you know,
27:01
all of these opportunities that
27:05
are falling on her lap, that's
27:05
one thing. But the second thing
27:08
was her not realizing, well,
27:08
first of all, that a contract is
27:12
legally binding. But even just
27:12
in like a normal Hello, I'm a
27:17
human of the world honoring a
27:17
fucking contract. You don't just
27:22
dip out when you feel like it.
27:22
And I wasn't what was that?
27:25
Like? 4050 grand two grand she
27:25
had to pay? Yeah. But it's like,
27:30
even if you do pay that that's
27:30
not good business. Right? And I
27:33
don't know. And maybe it's just
27:33
the enticing, but I also felt
27:37
like she was too young to be
27:37
duped, like a elderly pensioner
27:43
getting scammed over the phone.
27:45  Oti
Or in the contract. You
27:45
just signed who does that. But
27:48
it should have
27:49  KT
been way more due diligence.
27:49
It was weird. I know. ONVIF got
27:52
too involved. And she said she
27:52
would back off. But if if if if
27:56
it's getting to the point that
27:56
Hillary is actually signing a
27:58
contract for official work that
27:58
she's actually going to do.
28:02
That's kind of where you step in
28:02
as, like, do the due diligence.
28:07
I don't blame them for that.
28:07
She's too busy being googly
28:10
eyed.
28:11  Oti
That and the fact that
28:11
Hillary was all about her
28:15
stepping on her own and she's
28:15
old enough to take care of
28:17
business. Yeah. So hot. Take
28:17
your business assigning a random
28:21
paper she doesn't read and being
28:21
shocked that there's a class
28:24
that she has to pay money to
28:24
break contract, flooded
28:27
ridiculous. And this is where
28:27
like, a lot of times you wonder
28:32
what the life of a rich black
28:32
person is. where on one hand,
28:37
you know what extreme you're so
28:37
cautious and you have to take
28:40
care of yourself. You have to
28:40
worry about society. You have to
28:43
look at everything you say do
28:43
act, whatever, all that shit.
28:47
And there's some rich
28:47
motherfuckers out here that
28:50
don't know the life.
28:53  KT
My mother doesn't look like
28:53
your tea.
28:56  Oti
Oh, my father doesn't look
28:56
like you.
29:01  KT
That's a Tandy, way
29:01
reference friends and lovers.
29:05
Speaking of being out of touch,
29:05
but I think that was part of
29:10
what was annoying to me about
29:10
Hillary because age wise, she
29:15
She's older than Willa and
29:15
Carlton, right. She should have
29:19
known better. Like, there's one
29:19
thing about being naive, and
29:22
then there's one thing of being
29:22
like, unbelievably stupid. Yeah.
29:29
And the way I don't know and
29:29
Actually Actually Actually I
29:32
know we don't have a lot of
29:32
time, but I always try and pull
29:36
my women up and hold my women
29:36
accountable. I didn't care for
29:43
it is a multi layered, complex,
29:43
nuanced conversation. If we want
29:49
to talk about women and owning
29:49
their sexuality. I am always
29:53
ready meet me on my personal
29:53
Twitter and we can we can go toe
29:57
to toe with me the champ right i
29:57
I'm always ready to have that
30:01
conversation. What I didn't care
30:01
for was embracing. Like, there
30:06
was a point where Hillary was
30:06
embracing her sexuality as a
30:10
woman as a young woman. Nothing
30:10
wrong with that, right. But, oh,
30:20
again, it's too nuanced. I'm
30:20
saying it's too nuanced. So meet
30:23
me on Twitter. So that's
30:23
probably not the right format.
30:26
Because you know, but what
30:26
really bothers me is she was
30:32
owning it and she was loving
30:32
herself. She didn't like it
30:35
through the lens of Kailo fine,
30:35
but it came at a fucking price
30:40
did it not? What what were all
30:40
your principles when they
30:43
started waving Victoria's Secret
30:43
money in your face? Fuck off.
30:47
No, seriously, fuck off.
30:50  Oti
It was two pronged All
30:50
right away from you
30:53  KT
in a second with my
30:53
sexuality.
30:55  Oti
On one hand, she enjoyed
30:55
the commercial benefits that it
31:02
could afford her. Yeah, our she
31:02
got feedback from other black
31:05
women that you know, good. Go
31:05
for it. You know, a lot of the
31:10
time black women are seen in
31:10
such a way so why not own it?
31:14  KT
But there's nothing wrong
31:14
with it right? That's what I'm
31:16
saying. There's nothing wrong
31:16
with it. And that's why I get so
31:18
fucking sick of basic fucking
31:18
women making jokes about
31:22
starting an early fans fucking
31:22
started. Oh, shut the fuck up.
31:25
Because sex work is work. And
31:25
women that work in the sex
31:28
industry deserve respect,
31:28
especially from other fucking
31:31
women. Fuck off. Speak. I was
31:31
speaking until you silenced me
31:36
by saying speak motherfucker. Me
31:36
they speak feminism and what?
31:47  Oti
Well, for me,
31:49  KT
OT is an ally to women. Just
31:49
like Jerome OT. Tarantino is an
31:55
ally to the black community. Oh,
31:55
wow. Well, let's let's leave
32:00
Hillary alone, because we have
32:00
so much more to go through. I'm
32:04
not going to spend a lot of time
32:04
on jazz, but I wouldn't say he
32:06
was one of my favorite
32:06
characters. I was just smiling
32:09
every time he was on the screen.
32:09
And maybe it's also because I
32:12
knew he was going to bring a
32:12
balanced performance. It was It
32:15
wasn't going to be like Ollie
32:15
snorting himself knee deep every
32:19
time.
32:20  Oti
Yeah, because they use him
32:20
as the fixer. The thought of
32:25  KT
the fixer after calling
32:25
Jeffrey the fixer. No, not
32:27
another fixer,
32:28  Oti
like he's there as a
32:28
soundboard for will and Hillary
32:32
and just solve the issues and
32:32
problems. He's the mini Jeffrey
32:37
counter, think of it like Hey,
32:37
he's there solely to be the
32:42
sounding board for Hillary and
32:42
well, and he'll be there to pull
32:46
them up on either their ship, or
32:46
to give them advice that, you
32:50
know, you'd expect Uncle Phil to
32:50
be given is different from the
32:55
jobs we used to.
32:58  KT
You don't want to get some
32:58
wings and get busy.
33:01  Oti
We all do. But I enjoyed
33:01
it. I enjoyed his performances.
33:06
I think he brought a real
33:06
grounding to this.
33:10  KT
He did I again, you wouldn't
33:10
think it from the original fresh
33:16
prints. But I do want to see
33:16
more of him in general. You
33:21
know, and like you said he
33:21
brings a lot of groundedness
33:24
very reminiscent of ot of not
33:24
having social media. Not caring
33:30
about numbers and that sort of
33:30
thing. But he was very
33:34
refreshing. He didn't have as
33:34
much reach like Jeffrey for
33:38
example, where Jeffrey had like
33:38
a heartfelt you know, I'll do
33:42
some dirt for you moment for
33:42
every character in this show.
33:46
But I did enjoy jazz. Is there
33:46
anything you want to say about
33:48
Ashley because I don't think I
33:48
have a lot to say about her. Oh,
33:52  Oti
good for her for being
33:52
quick.
33:55  KT
Yeah congrats gay.
34:01  Oti
Yeah, um, that's that's in
34:01
there.
34:04  KT
Yeah, I guess we've done our
34:04
pride month couple of months
34:06
early then. Um, I think it was
34:06
nice. There was a moment between
34:13
her and Viv. You know, where
34:13
aren't we? It was like you know,
34:18
you can be open to told me these
34:18
things and then I feel like you
34:22
know, as a previous teenager
34:22
like that would feel cringe like
34:26
you want the option to be able
34:26
to talk to your parents about
34:30
sex but you don't actually want
34:30
to talk to them about it.
34:33  Oti
Yeah, her but I think it
34:33
was good for IVF to just say
34:37
she's there regardless.
34:39  KT
Well, speaking of art Vivian
34:39
someone that was always there
34:42
let's talk about Michael Healy's
34:42
character like Birdman rubbing
34:45
his hands looking out the window
34:45
give
34:49  Oti
you know what you're gonna
34:49
get with Mike Healy. He was
34:53
there to prove the sexual
34:53
awakening who you everyone and
34:57  KT
he is literally the OG
34:57
pentacle. lector he doesn't want
35:01
to be, but he turns out as the
35:01
panty collector,
35:05  Oti
yeah. You know what you've
35:05
got to get with him. The minute
35:08
we saw him in screen, we just
35:08
knew how it's gonna roll. Yeah.
35:14
We know it's got a confused
35:14
wave. We do. It's got to make
35:17
apple feel jealous. And it all
35:17
did
35:19  KT
save save your AI writing
35:19
your scripts. You just put
35:22
Michael Ealy in there and we can
35:22
we can figure out the equation
35:25
from there.
35:25  Oti
You see no more.
35:29  KT
Black Lady sketch show is
35:29
back and Michael Ealy appeared
35:32
in there too. And you just
35:32
wonder at this point, his agent,
35:35
you know, like, there are people
35:35
probably Robin thede. He's
35:38
probably like, Hey, would like
35:38
to have Michael Ealy on the
35:41
show. Let me explain his
35:41
character. And Michael Ealy ages
35:44
like, No, don't worry, it's
35:44
fine. He'll be there. He'll be
35:48
there with his light eyes and
35:48
he's sexy ass. Don't worry about
35:51
it. He'll show up.
35:53  Oti
But it's always good to see
35:53
him.
35:55  KT
Do you think it's
35:55
unbelievable that he didn't try
35:57
and make a move or not move
35:57
there?
35:59  Oti
I think it's coming. Oh,
35:59
yeah. Okay, so
36:02  KT
when there's gonna be a To
36:02
be continued?
36:04  Oti
Yeah. Oh, actually, I don't
36:04
think it's coming. I think if
36:08
Uncle Phil would have continued
36:08
to advance the way he was it to
36:13
definitely would have happened
36:13
but he seemed to have switched
36:15
his game literally at the end.
36:15
might save him from that.
36:20  KT
I don't know it. You know
36:20
what whenever I think about like
36:24
power couples. Tabitha Brown is
36:24
really the only example of where
36:29
you have the husband holding it
36:29
down. And now it's, you know,
36:32
now it's Tabitha his turn to
36:32
have success. And now it's her
36:36
turn like it's a husband's turn
36:36
to take a break. Right. I think
36:41
that that's the only time that
36:41
that dynamic works. Because when
36:45
it came to Uncle Phil, I don't
36:45
know like that dynamic. He I
36:50
personally, come and meet me
36:50
either in my personal Twitter or
36:55
on the podcast Twitter because I
36:55
ready to fucking fight. I do not
36:59
believe that Uncle Phil of banks
36:59
in the 2022 Bel Air Show
37:06
believes that women are equal.
37:06
Like I think I think at this
37:11
point, she's like the fucking
37:11
turd, not the side of his rib. I
37:15
don't believe that Uncle Phil
37:15
says aren't VIV as an equal. I
37:20
think he loves her as much as he
37:20
could ever love a woman. Maybe
37:24
not as much as Michael Ely could
37:24
love a woman. But and by the
37:28
way, I am all for the mess.
37:28
Bring the mess. I'm ready for
37:31
Michael Ely to just mess up on
37:31
VIBs joint. I'm ready for him.
37:35
Him to start painting his dick
37:35
on a canvas. I am ready.
37:39  Oti
You may want him to be all
37:39
up in advance John.
37:47  KT
Oh, man, but I genuinely
37:47
don't. But I just feel like
37:52
Uncle Phil is one of those men
37:52
that don't see women as equals
37:56
even the ones especially the
37:56
ones that they love.
37:59  Oti
Well, a good example is he
37:59
spent a lot of the money from
38:05
the personal account on his
38:05
campaign. Yeah. And he wasn't
38:10
even asking for it didn't even
38:10
ask or discuss it with a wave.
38:14
Yeah, he was like telling her
38:14
after the fact.
38:17  KT
Yeah, he was gonna try to
38:17
make it sound like he was asking
38:19
for permission. But he did it.
38:22  Oti
He was like, What the fuck
38:22
us permission to spend my money.
38:27  KT
Oh, speaking of what the
38:27
fuck? We loved Wayne. But if
38:33
Dwayne is your campaign manager,
38:33
some shady shit is going down.
38:37  Oti
Yeah, you fucked up. So
38:38  KT
I'm having having Jeffrey as
38:38
his sidekick and then having
38:44
Dwayne as his campaign manager.
38:44
It was nice seeing Dwayne
38:47
though.
38:47  Oti
It was good seeing him.
38:47
It's been it's been a while.
38:51  KT
But yeah, I don't know. I
38:51
think the way that they've laid
38:55
the foundation for vivid Uncle
38:55
Phil, I don't know. For me
39:00
personally, I don't know if
39:00
we're ever going to get to a
39:02
point where I believe that Uncle
39:02
Phil sees you know, aren't VIV
39:07
as an eagle exactly what you're
39:07
saying like he was trying to
39:10
make, like, you know, he was
39:10
asking permission. And he's
39:13
like, lol, too bad. I really do.
39:13
But and then, you know, they had
39:19
that heartfelt moment in the
39:19
hotel. You know, where Uncle
39:23
Phil and this is kind of where
39:23
we learn because I think a lot
39:27
of the time, especially when it
39:27
comes to women becoming mothers
39:31
and having children, you know,
39:31
and I think even with us, we
39:34
assumed without Viv, she just
39:34
forgot herself in the process.
39:38
She lost herself in the process,
39:38
which wasn't, it wasn't wrong,
39:43
like it wasn't entirely false.
39:43
But it wasn't entirely the
39:45
truth, either. And, you know,
39:45
Uncle Phil talks about how she
39:49
was so tortured by the whole
39:49
creative, not necessarily the
39:52
creative process, but all of the
39:52
admin and then the orchestration
39:56
and the politics that happens
39:56
for being a young black career.
40:00
Right. So he was talking about
40:00
that. Okay, cool. I understand
40:05
that Uncle Phil, but what was
40:05
it? 15 Fucking 17 years where
40:09
were you that whole time then?
40:10  Oti
True, but I don't
40:10
necessarily disagree with him.
40:13
Oh, it was putting hahaha.
40:13
trepidation of getting back. Or
40:20
being an artist as fully as
40:20
Uncle Phil not pushing her and
40:25
I'm like, Okay, there's there's
40:25
a line. You know, there's a lot
40:29
of shit we can throw at Uncle
40:29
Phil. But him being the sole
40:32
reason that it didn't become an
40:32
artist. You know, that's not
40:36
right. Because at the end of the
40:36
day, it's up to you, you know
40:40
yourself better than anyone
40:40
else. You cannot put your career
40:45
or what you want to do on the
40:45
hands of someone else. You just
40:48
cannot.
40:50  KT
Friends and others. You
40:50
might have heard ot speaking, I
40:53
could hear Michael Ealy knocking
40:53
on my door.
40:56  Oti
Johnny, don't worry.
40:59  KT
Like the kmpl high five.
41:03  Oti
For sure. But getting the
41:03
treat me.
41:09  KT
admission for two in Katie's
41:09
job. Oh, yeah, I don't know. I
41:18
think I enjoy Uncle Phil is a
41:18
character, although I will say.
41:22
And I forgot to mention that
41:22
when we were talking about
41:24
Colton, like, Uncle Phil, he was
41:24
a bit harsh towards will. But he
41:31
became indeed to will. And he
41:31
had many tender, vulnerable
41:35
moments. And he said things to
41:35
will that we never saw him ever
41:39
say to Carlton, which was very
41:39
sad.
41:41  Oti
Yeah, it was, but at least
41:41
he realized that he also needed
41:44
to give Carlton some one on one
41:44
time. It felt a bit too well
41:49
leaning at times.
41:50  KT
Hmm, interesting,
41:50
interesting, interesting friends
41:53
and lovers, for those of us that
41:53
have joined the podcasts. Now in
41:58
our fourth year, especially if
41:58
you've joined us and very
42:02
passionate relationship
42:02
episodes, including the first
42:05
time we covered in secure, ot
42:05
has a hankering for defending
42:09
shitty black men. And I'm seeing
42:09
a pattern because every time I
42:13
say something about Uncle Phil,
42:13
I didn't necessarily put him in
42:17
the category of shitty black men
42:17
characters, but you're making it
42:21
very clear to me that he is part
42:21
of your brethren. Wow. When you
42:28
think you're Michael Healy, but
42:28
you're actually uncomfortable.
42:33
The last character that I want
42:33
to bring up is Lisa's dad, Fred,
42:39
thoughts, feelings. They did try
42:39
to have a conversation about
42:42
defunding the police and then
42:42
Uncle Phil kind of backtracked
42:46
on that. But what did you feel
42:46
about Fred's presence in the
42:49
show?
42:50  Oti
It didn't feel like those.
42:50
Because a lot of the time when
42:54
you're watching American TV, and
42:54
you get this commercials with a
42:58
black Republican talking about
43:02  KT
everyone's worst nightmare.
43:02
Um, there was right.
43:07  Oti
They want to defund the
43:07
police. Let's defend the police
43:10
like okay.
43:18
Well, he didn't feel to that
43:18
extent of BA. At least those
43:23
assemblance are all aligned that
43:23
Uncle Phil wouldn't cross in
43:27
terms of tarnishing his name. We
43:27
know that he cheated on Lisa's
43:32
mom while she's she was sick and
43:32
dying. Yeah. Which is fucked up.
43:37
Yeah. But outside of that, we
43:37
don't really get to delve into
43:42
him as a person or a character
43:42
in the show. He's more of a
43:46
peripheral figure. We know he
43:46
exists. And he's just there.
43:51
Because
43:52  KT
and you know what I'm
43:52
realizing we haven't really
43:53
talked about Lisa. Lisa kind of
43:53
pisses me off. Haha. So she's,
43:58
she's too naive, and she's too
43:58
traditional conservative leaning
44:02
for the fucking 2020s And she's
44:02
too young to be acting like
44:06
that. A lot of her betrayal. A
44:06
lot of that shit was about the
44:11
fact that will wasn't ready to
44:11
share his trauma. fuck right
44:15
off. And stop treating your
44:15
sexuality like it's a favor to
44:19
men fuck off. Like we can talk
44:19
about it. I don't think she was
44:24
overly religious fuck and talk
44:24
about it. We're in the 2020
44:27
She's a young woman. Come on
44:27
now. Come on now.
44:30  Oti
I hear you. But I also feel
44:30
like well should have just been
44:34
truthful. Like
44:36  KT
nobody wasn't like he was
44:36
going out of his way to be
44:38
devious. We all know friends and
44:38
lovers as much as we want to
44:42
open up to someone. Unless we're
44:42
ready. Come on. Come on. We're
44:46
talking about a young we're
44:46
talking about young famous and
44:50
African right we talked about
44:50
Annie with to face and all of
44:54
his many face children all over
44:54
Africa, right? He's got more
44:58
than one African Queen. You You
44:58
can't fucking tell someone shit
45:02
if you're not ready to tell it
45:02
yourself. Right? So I don't
45:06
think it was on we'll Why do I
45:06
need to tell you the most sad,
45:10
most depressing shit of my life
45:10
for you to feel indeed to me
45:14
fuck off
45:15  Oti
so that you feel that
45:15
you're connected by everything
45:18
and
45:19  KT
that friends or lovers are
45:19
called trauma bonds. That's not
45:22
a healthy way to connect to
45:22
someone. I don't know, friends
45:26
and lovers again. I've got lots
45:26
of time and apparently I find
45:29
nuance in Twitter, so find me
45:29
there. But yeah, I definitely
45:33
don't want to talk anymore. Is
45:33
there anything else you want to
45:35
say about Lisa?
45:36  Oti
No, not you. You said
45:36
enough.
45:38  KT
Do you have any not
45:38
necessarily predictions? Do you
45:41
have any hopes of what season
45:41
two will bring?
45:43  Oti
Don't drag out the the
45:43
well, and his father or beef or
45:49
nonsense? Just just
45:51  KT
Oh, Marlon Wayans? We didn't
45:51
even give a shout out to Marlon
45:53
Wayans.
45:54  Oti
It was good seeing him and
45:54
I'm glad he's getting roles
45:57
recently.
45:59  KT
I still don't buy him as a
45:59
staple of
46:01  Oti
our houses growing up. It
46:01
was wild, you know, not having
46:05
their family on the screen for a
46:05
minute, but it's good seeing
46:09
them back. You know, they've
46:09
done a lot. So it's good one.
46:12  KT
Yeah. And he's going to have
46:12
a communist special coming out
46:15
soon.
46:15  Oti
Yeah. What Tony? Because
46:15
Oh, yeah, she wanted to man.
46:20  KT
Nice. Very nice. I want to
46:20
see Hillary get more I wanted to
46:27
like be held accountable for her
46:27
lack of naivety. I want to see
46:33
more of that. Shout outs to
46:33
Karachi. Karachi continues to be
46:37
and shit we're watching.
46:40  Oti
Yeah, it took some getting
46:40
used to games people play like
46:44
Lauren London just disappear.
46:44
Okay, shout outs to
46:47  KT
Lauren London. She deserves
46:47
more love because she was
46:50
holding that on her lovely
46:50
shoulder. Yeah,
46:52  Oti
and you don't even realize
46:52
it until it's called bad.
46:55
Fucking hell.
46:56  KT
Well, you know, when we talk
46:56
about our BT shows, we're near
46:59
the end of the podcast, right.
46:59
Whoo hoo. Thank you for joining
47:06
us, friends and lovers. Another
47:06
week in the four year reference
47:08
household. We're going to finish
47:08
off in a segment we call for
47:11
your friends. It
47:12  Oti
has nothing to do with
47:12
bellezza show or any sort of
47:16
close touch points in any case,
47:16
but it's something that we
47:20
watched recently on HBO, Max.
47:20
Ruth Daniel just started off by
47:25
Yeah. Jerrod Carmichael. It was
47:25
really good. It's it's a very
47:32
intimate and one of the best
47:32
things it's watched to see. Oh,
47:36
absolutely. For sure. Yeah, give
47:36
it a go.
47:39  KT
Absolutely. And you know,
47:39
what's really sad because we
47:43
continue to watch like
47:43
interviews like on Seth Meyers.
47:47
Droid was on there. And it's
47:47
fucking sad because you can see
47:52
that he is dying for the love
47:52
and acceptance from his mom.
47:56
Right. He talked he talked about
47:56
it in the special and he talked
48:00
about in the Seth Meyers
48:00
interview and you can see and
48:03
you know, all of us can relate
48:03
to wanting Mommy and Daddy's
48:07
approval. Right? And it's a very
48:07
human sort of emotion and
48:12
definitely something to connect
48:12
to as well. So good looking out.
48:17  Oti
Yeah, sure. It's time we
48:17
are the top two in in the Bible
48:21
when Jesus called the squee
48:21
adventures, because people need
48:28
to delight and if, if the Bible
48:28
is the only way to accept it,
48:32
chapter has to be added.
48:34  KT
You need the Judas in the
48:34
rainbow Messiah. Yeah. Nice.
48:42
Okay. Well, I am going to
48:42
reference another peacock show
48:48
that we've been enjoying a lot.
48:48
And that is the recently
48:52
released Chris read Jack Knight,
48:52
Langston Qurban. Sam J Series
48:58
bust fucking down.
48:59  Oti
Oh, wow. That's a gym right
48:59
there.
49:02  KT
And I know I keep talking
49:02
about the first 11 minutes being
49:06
all you need as a corporate
49:06
company to buy for your HR
49:09
videos. But the HR department
49:09
and busta Freddie Gibbs
49:13
shoutouts all around. If you'd
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49:19
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49:19
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49:22  Oti
right? That's an email I
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hear lawyer for podcast.com.
49:25  KT
We're also on Jeffrey, the
49:25
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49:30
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49:30
you'd like to leave a rating and
49:33
review, and we'll see you guys
49:33
next week.
49:35  Oti
See ya