The Gray Area with Sean Illing

The Gray Area with host Sean Illing is a philosophical take on culture, politics, and everything in between. We don’t pretend to have the answers, but we do offer a space for real dialogue. Resist certainty, embrace ambiguity, and get some cool takes on a very hot world. Formerly the Vox Conversations podcast. New episodes drop every Monday and Thursday.


Dying with dignity

Sean Illing talks with reporter Katie Engelhart, whose book The Inevitable is an up-close look at physician-assisted dying. This is the practice of receiving state-sanctioned medical aid to end one's life — a practice now legal in 10 U.S. states, Canada, and elsewhere around the world. They discuss the details of the procedure — including why people fight for this right and exercise it — as well as many of the moral and legal questions that it raises.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area

Guest: Katie Engelhart (@katieengelhart), journalist; author


  • The Inevitable: Dispatches on the Right to Die by Katie Engelhart (St. Martin's; 2021)
  • Brittany Maynard's legislative testimony


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This episode was made by: 

  • Producer: Erikk Geannikis
  • Editor: Amy Drozdowska
  • Engineers: Patrick Boyd, Paul Robert Mounsey
  • Editorial Director, Vox Talk: A.M. Hall

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