The Gray Area with Sean Illing

The Gray Area with host Sean Illing is a philosophical take on culture, politics, and everything in between. We don’t pretend to have the answers, but we do offer a space for real dialogue. Resist certainty, embrace ambiguity, and get some cool takes on a very hot world. Formerly the Vox Conversations podcast. New episodes drop every Monday and Thursday.


Yuval Noah Harari thinks humans are unstoppable

Sean Illing talks with Yuval Noah Harari, historian and bestselling author, about how humanity came to be the dominant species on earth, and what our future might hold. Sean and Yuval discuss mankind's imaginative "superpower," the threats to democracy across the globe, the future of artificial intelligence — and plenty more.

Yuval's new book Unstoppable Us adapts many of his macro-historical insights from Sapiens for younger readers, and is the first in a planned four-volume series.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area

Guest: Yuval Noah Harari (@harari_yuval), author; professor, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem


  • Unstoppable Us, Volume 1: How Humans Took Over the World by Yuval Noah Harari; illustrated by Ricard Zaplana Ruiz (Bright Matter; 2022)
  • Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow by Yuval Noah Harari (Harper; 2017)
  • Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari (Harper; 2015)
  • "Nationalism vs. globalism: the new political divide | Yuval Noah Harari" (TED; YouTube)


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  • Producer: Erikk Geannikis
  • Editor: Amy Drozdowska
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  • Editorial Director, Vox Talk: A.M. Hall

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 2022-11-03  1h2m