Speaker 1: So this classic was a wild ride for us. We're
Speaker 1: doing this back in what was this twenty seventeen? Oh, yes,
Speaker 1: in October of that year. Oh, you've read the title already.
Speaker 1: Was a cult trying to take over South Korea. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember if I had been to South
Speaker 1: Korea by this point. But the one thing we know
Speaker 1: for sure is that there's still questions about the extent
Speaker 1: of the extent of power and influence this spiritual Organization
Speaker 1: had in the halls of power of the South Korean government.
Speaker 1: I like how you pulled spiritual organization out there, Ben,
Speaker 1: I've watched you do it. It's the right it's the
Speaker 1: right phrase. They don't like the sea word. And if
Speaker 1: a group doesn't like the sea word, you gotta find
Speaker 1: out why. That's exactly. From UFOs to psychic powers and
Speaker 1: government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. You can
Speaker 1: turn back now or learn this stuff they don't want
Speaker 1: you to know. Welcome back to the show. My name
Speaker 1: is Matt, my name is Noel. They call me Ben.
Speaker 1: You are you? And that makes this stuff they don't
Speaker 1: want you to know. First off, it's very important to
Speaker 1: all of us just as individuals and on this show
Speaker 1: to provide credit good and bad where credit is due.
Speaker 1: And in this case, we're very fortunate because we have
Speaker 1: a lot of good credit to provide and we actually
Speaker 1: might be a little bit late on this. We want
Speaker 1: to give a massive Gargangeline shout out to our fantastic
Speaker 1: intern for fantastic former intern Sam T. Garden, who had
Speaker 1: the unenviable or very enviable task of sifting through months
Speaker 1: of email to learn what you friends and neighbors, our
Speaker 1: listeners the most important part of the show found most intriguing.
Speaker 1: You've met Sam before? Yes, Sam was our guest on
Speaker 1: the Gulan Movement episode because of some personal involvement in
Speaker 1: the issue at one of the charter schools. And now
Speaker 1: again thanks Sam for being on the show for that.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Sam. Hey also our super producer Tristan McNeil. Here, Tristan,
Speaker 1: can we have like some sort of applause queue for
Speaker 1: Sam perfect. I like that you had a cranky Tristan
Speaker 1: sound effect because he's mad because I was late to do.
Speaker 1: Oh he's not mad. I can see it in his eyes.
Speaker 1: He's definitely shooting some emoji's our way. Though he writes
Speaker 1: this guy writes to us an official work correspond it's
Speaker 1: solely an emoji. Sometimes it'll just be like a cat
Speaker 1: and I don't understand a saxophone. Have we already talked
Speaker 1: about this on air? We have. It's okay. It's a
Speaker 1: great like Tristan. Probably I'll get his own episode one day.
Speaker 1: It'll be all in an audio emoji. Yes, with Sam
Speaker 1: Tea Garden. One thing we want to point out is
Speaker 1: several of the recent episodes you have heard on our
Speaker 1: show relied on his initial research for us, going through emails,
Speaker 1: seeing what he thought had some sand. And we really
Speaker 1: trusted him on this and he did a bang up job.
Speaker 1: We can't thank him enough. Yeah, but he's back in
Speaker 1: school now. But we can promise you that you haven't
Speaker 1: heard the last of good old Sam the sift Kid
Speaker 1: Tea Garden. What the sift kid like sifting through stuff? Oh?
Speaker 1: I thought you meant like panning for gold or yeah?
Speaker 1: Kind of yes, the same, yeah for gold. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: whether or not you are familiar with our friends Sam
Speaker 1: Tea Garden, who've probably heard a great deal about a
Speaker 1: country called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea street name
Speaker 1: North Korea. And you've heard it in the news lately
Speaker 1: for the ratcheting tensions rights As we record this now,
Speaker 1: North Korea has made some progress in their icebm's intercontinental
Speaker 1: ballistic missile programs, and the US and North Korea are
Speaker 1: playing a game of brinksmanship. Yeah, the DPRK recently shot
Speaker 1: a missile across the bow of Japan. Then they had
Speaker 1: another missile shot down I believe by China. So yeah,
Speaker 1: fun stuff going on. May you live in interesting times? Right? Yeah? Exactly,
Speaker 1: Chief the curse that keeps on cursing. For some background
Speaker 1: on the truth behind the fiction surrounding the so called
Speaker 1: Hermit Kingdom, please check out our earlier episode on this country,
Speaker 1: which unfortunately we may need to update soon for sure. Today, however,
Speaker 1: we're looking south. We're looking at South Korea, or the
Speaker 1: Republic of Korea, that's the other half of the Korean
Speaker 1: peninsula in particular. We're exploring a story about two long
Speaker 1: time friends, a story about corruption, a story about religion,
Speaker 1: and a story about the fall of a president. And
Speaker 1: murder most foul, murder, well there is one, there is one,
Speaker 1: oh cool, and murder most foul, seriously, all of those things.
Speaker 1: But first, here are the facts. So we're gonna give
Speaker 1: you just like a quick, down and dirty, kind of
Speaker 1: top down reader's digest view of the past, just for
Speaker 1: a little bit of background. So here we go. We
Speaker 1: have two countries, the Republic of Korea and the Democratic
Speaker 1: People's Republic of Korea, which we're both formed by the
Speaker 1: same historical events, beginning with the division of the peninsula
Speaker 1: along the thirty eighth parallel at the close of World
Speaker 1: War Two, and that was formerly a single country. All
Speaker 1: of that. So then we fast forward to nineteen forty
Speaker 1: eight and Ben Bolin, Oh, yeah, I was there. That's
Speaker 1: when the divided haves each declared themselves sovereign nations. So
Speaker 1: one says we're the Republic of Korea. One says we're
Speaker 1: the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. The problem is each
Speaker 1: to plared themselves the lawful governing force of the entire peninsula. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: as you might imagine, this situation was obviously unsustainable. Fast
Speaker 1: forward to Matt Frederick. Then we get to the Korean War,
Speaker 1: which occurred between nineteen fifty and nineteen fifty three. Overall,
Speaker 1: throughout this conflict there were five million, both military and
Speaker 1: civilian casualties. And here's the thing. When it ended in
Speaker 1: fifty three, there was no real defining winner, and it
Speaker 1: didn't technically end, yeah, an armistice, right exactly. They just decided, okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to stop actively attacking each other. And South
Speaker 1: Korea then shifted after this time back and forth between
Speaker 1: military then democratic rule, then back and forth, back and
Speaker 1: forth over the decades. Right. And during this time from
Speaker 1: the end or from the I guess cessation of large
Speaker 1: scale warfare to the modern day, South Koreas struggled more
Speaker 1: or less continually again widespread corruption in the highest government
Speaker 1: and business offices. Part of this is, of course due
Speaker 1: to nepotism, and that's no different from any other country.
Speaker 1: And part is due to the existence of gigantic corporations
Speaker 1: with their fingers in every single pie. These things are huge, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're They're called the chabole, which I may be mispronouncing,
Speaker 1: their massive family controlled conglomerates with international reach. So you
Speaker 1: can think of businesses like LG or Samsung, or maybe
Speaker 1: Hyundai or Hyundai yet like Christmas in July. These are
Speaker 1: examples of these chabole and the amount of influence that
Speaker 1: these conglomerates wield in South Korea. It would astonish you.
Speaker 1: You your jaw would drop to truly understand it. It
Speaker 1: would probably confuse you too, especially if you live in
Speaker 1: let's say, the western world. Right. The one example in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, Samsung alone comprised it is about seventeen percent
Speaker 1: of South Korea's entire economy. And here's the thing, don't
Speaker 1: you know, don't get up on your high horse like,
Speaker 1: oh well, we would never allow that to happen in
Speaker 1: here land. Well, they exist all over the place in
Speaker 1: the US, the UK, France, all these places of conglomerates.
Speaker 1: And here is a perfect example. This is a fun one.
Speaker 1: Lay it on me. This is new to me. Man,
Speaker 1: The Louis Dreyfuss Company. Have you ever heard of that
Speaker 1: Louis Dreyfuss Company? Like a lane from Seinfeld? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: sounds familiar, right, Julia Louis Dreyfuss is the great great
Speaker 1: granddaughter of the founder of Quote, the world's largest cotton
Speaker 1: and rice trader. Hey. And also it's considered to be
Speaker 1: the second largest player in the world sugar market. And
Speaker 1: very soon it's going to capture officially the third place
Speaker 1: ranking of the largest trader of copper, zinc and lead concentrate. Jeez.
Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen, this conglomerate post did a revenue of
Speaker 1: over fifty five billion dollars. I guess we know how
Speaker 1: Julia paid for all those acting classes. But nothing against Julia.
Speaker 1: Yeahs and Seinfeld's a great showy. But does this company
Speaker 1: have a podcast? There we go. It's just crazy to
Speaker 1: think of how like I think about that, right, And
Speaker 1: in those different like agriculture and medals, there are companies
Speaker 1: like that. They're you know, they're largely out of the
Speaker 1: public eye. You won't hear the news reporting on them
Speaker 1: as much. But yeah, a lot of the world's wealth
Speaker 1: and resource extraction does come from companies like this, and
Speaker 1: they have international reach. Can I fast forward back to
Speaker 1: the modern day? Please? Please? Do? We're in the modern day? Perfect.
Speaker 1: The current government of South Korea is the sixth Republic.
Speaker 1: It began in nineteen eighty seven and continues at least
Speaker 1: as we record this episode. It's so funny to think
Speaker 1: of it like a country forming in nineteen eighty seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we were, we were all alive. Then it's yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know why that's that's remarkable to me.
Speaker 1: I just listen Yeah, it's kind of like a government too,
Speaker 1: you know, it's more I guess it's more a government
Speaker 1: because they didn't change the borders of the country. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it also reminds me of Italy, which has had um
Speaker 1: a historic problem in Germany too, right, like there we go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not that remarkable, but for some reason, I just
Speaker 1: it strikes me. It's like, whoa a country that formed
Speaker 1: in my lifetime? Yeah, yeah, large enough scope, just so
Speaker 1: I can do the accent again. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of people in this world that at a time said,
Speaker 1: forming your country in seventeen seventy six. Congratulations, that's true
Speaker 1: today he is? Were you watching BBC or something. It's
Speaker 1: just the Hamilton soundtrack, That's what it is in my head.
Speaker 1: They don't have British. It's when I when I sing
Speaker 1: it back, it's all British. King George does. That's tough.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's that's a good song too, That's like
Speaker 1: probably that's a great run. You got to have a
Speaker 1: you've got to have a large range for that one,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, But the here's another one. Um. South
Speaker 1: Sudan formed quite recently in or within our lifetime. It's okay,
Speaker 1: it's not remarkable. It's just no, it's I think it's
Speaker 1: super remarkable. It's weird. I collect I stand by it
Speaker 1: feeling weird. I stand with you in the fact that
Speaker 1: that is incredibly weird. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Imagine being born in earlier generations before the fall of
Speaker 1: the USSR, and all of a sudden you're like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we had all these new countries now yea, many of
Speaker 1: which I probably can't visit. And I have to remark
Speaker 1: on the sinister nature of your coffee cup. It has
Speaker 1: a like a Christmas reindeer cartoon on it, but the
Speaker 1: top is like blacked out, like it's been spray painted over,
Speaker 1: and it's like half of the reindeer's head is shrouded
Speaker 1: in shadow. It's it's incredible. It's a gift. Well, these
Speaker 1: are burn marks. I was actually on fire when I
Speaker 1: was drinking from it. No, this is inact, this is
Speaker 1: a great um. This is a gift, as Matt said,
Speaker 1: from our friends Joe and Linda. And if you look
Speaker 1: really closely, you can read the writing under the black
Speaker 1: part says happy holidays to conspiracy stuff. This is a
Speaker 1: coffee cup that is heat sensitive, so it's so it's
Speaker 1: all black unless you pour something hot in it, like
Speaker 1: coffee reveals the picture and reveals the picture. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: just tickled by all kinds of simple stuff today. No,
Speaker 1: I think it's remarkable too. And thanks again to Joe
Speaker 1: and Lindau. I hope you're listening, and I hope that
Speaker 1: Joe and Linda, along with the rest of you find
Speaker 1: folks forgive me for butchering Korean names throughout this episode.
Speaker 1: So there's a person named Park Gunhi was born in
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two. That was pretty good. Well, we'll see
Speaker 1: we never know that the emails come in right now,
Speaker 1: that's fair Park. Miss Park is the eldest child of
Speaker 1: South Korea's third president, Park Chung he. She was elected
Speaker 1: president of South Korea in twenty thirteen and served until
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. Wait record, scratch, pump, yeah, pump the brakes.
Speaker 1: I know, I know how it sounds. It sounds pretty
Speaker 1: freaking insane for a democracy to elect the child of
Speaker 1: a former president to the same position, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: what are the odds You'd have to be a pretty
Speaker 1: corrupt country to ever allow that to happen, especially if
Speaker 1: you purport to be a meritocracy, right, sarcastic. Then I
Speaker 1: just think it's ridiculous for any democracy to do. We
Speaker 1: know how you feel about political dynasties. Yeah, thank you, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, let me you're right it is.
Speaker 1: It is my opinion, but technically it's unsound anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whenever your vote matters. In South Korea, president is elected
Speaker 1: for a five year term, meaning President Park was set
Speaker 1: to hold office from twenty thirteen to twenty eighteen. But
Speaker 1: as we said, she left office in twenty seventeen. So
Speaker 1: what happened? Scandal, that's what happened. Yes, long story short,
Speaker 1: the first female president of South Korea was impeached this year.
Speaker 1: But that's only the beginning of the rabbit hole. And
Speaker 1: we're going to go down that rabbit hole right after
Speaker 1: a quick word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy.
Speaker 1: So President Park had a very close friend, a woman
Speaker 1: named Chu Soucil. That's what we're going to pronounce it as.
Speaker 1: But it's ccho O s O D S I L.
Speaker 1: How else would you pronounce that? That's how I would
Speaker 1: do it. So Choo is the daughter of this cult
Speaker 1: leader Shamanesque, if you will, named Choi Ta Men and
Speaker 1: Choi was a former Buddhist. He formed a religious group
Speaker 1: called Eternal Life Church. Doesn't that sound wonderful right now?
Speaker 1: This thing in itself is relatively innocuous. It's it's a
Speaker 1: religious organization that he founded. Sure, great, going on, you
Speaker 1: you can do that. South Korea has no laws barring
Speaker 1: religious practice of any kind. And again you have to
Speaker 1: take our word for it here. But despite the absolutely
Speaker 1: cartoonish practice, like Ben said, of making a former family
Speaker 1: you know, a family member of a former president president,
Speaker 1: it's pretty ridiculous. South Korea functions democratically, which means citizens
Speaker 1: have freedom of religion, they have the ability to vote
Speaker 1: for you know, people going up for president what they
Speaker 1: call a sham democracy. He totally he could totally tell
Speaker 1: what mudo is. Some of this research look good. The
Speaker 1: problem is if you try applying that across the board
Speaker 1: and you start to realize any relative the holes in
Speaker 1: everybody's tomocracy. But anyway, that's what I'm saying. Democracy is
Speaker 1: a bit of a magical loaded term. But no, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Cake, Yeah, coffee's coffee. You know, sometimes what
Speaker 1: if it's gluten free cake. That's a good point. So
Speaker 1: the Church of Eternal Life or the Eternal Life Church
Speaker 1: saw Joy as a messianic figure, a self described future
Speaker 1: boot like a prophet, a prophet becoming a demi god.
Speaker 1: Oh so it's like a step up. Yeah, like the
Speaker 1: bad guy in Lord of Illusions. I love that. It
Speaker 1: was so great. It holds up too. It holds up
Speaker 1: better than you would think. You know, what was his name, Nicks? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What I think it might have been Nick? It was Nick.
Speaker 1: Swan was the magician. We're getting knock Wrecker. But y
Speaker 1: all check out Lord of Illusions. That's an underappreciated Clive
Speaker 1: Barker movie. He gets him aligned quite a bit. And
Speaker 1: does I think he I think he's worthy. His short
Speaker 1: fiction is great Books of Blood, and that's a nice one. Anyhow,
Speaker 1: CHOI was a close associate of miss Park's father until
Speaker 1: and here's the murder, most foul my friend, until her
Speaker 1: father was assassinated by Korea's Central Intelligence agency, most foully.
Speaker 1: And admittedly that's what's different with this case versus a
Speaker 1: lot of other cases of an intelligence agency assassinating their
Speaker 1: elected leader. Not to say that happens a lot, just
Speaker 1: to say that this is not the only example members,
Speaker 1: officials or former officials from Korea's CIA said, yeah, we
Speaker 1: shot him because we thought he was super corrupt and
Speaker 1: we were doing the right thing for the country. It's bold,
Speaker 1: it's bold. During the younger Park's childhood, Miss Park's childhood
Speaker 1: and political ascendency, Choi, the leader of the Eternal Life Church,
Speaker 1: was a mentor figure. And this much is acknowledged by
Speaker 1: everybody in the conversation station Miss parks supporters, miss Park's opponents,
Speaker 1: everybody knows he was somewhere like a father figure, somewhere
Speaker 1: an advisor, you know. And this is an isolated person
Speaker 1: who has lost their parents. However, leaked diplomatic cables from
Speaker 1: the American Embassy and Seoul, the capital of South Korea,
Speaker 1: they came to. These cables come to us via the
Speaker 1: wiki Leaks Enterprise, which we should also probably check back
Speaker 1: up on. Is Julian Assange still there, still in London
Speaker 1: hanging out? Okay? All right? Every so often I asked
Speaker 1: Matt on air off air, what's happening with Julians? Usually, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's still there. He's still there. Uh So. Anyway, these
Speaker 1: leaked cables report a bunch of rumors flying around Seoul
Speaker 1: that mister Choi was a Korean Russ sputant and had
Speaker 1: complete control roll over Park's body and soul during her
Speaker 1: formative years, and then his children accumulated enormous wealth as
Speaker 1: a result. I love how the idea of like Rasputin
Speaker 1: conjures the images of like magical powers almost you know,
Speaker 1: or like mind control abilities. Absolutely yeah, And just using
Speaker 1: the phrase control over Park's body and soul. Yeah though,
Speaker 1: and he's a puppeteer of sorts. Well, you know, the
Speaker 1: historical Rasputin is pretty fascinating character, and I wonder what
Speaker 1: it means, you know, like Tonol's point, calling someone a
Speaker 1: Rasputin definitely does have this tinge of occult nature, right
Speaker 1: or a cult power. All I know is that Resputin
Speaker 1: makes a fine dark beer, is it true? It's called
Speaker 1: old Resputin and it's delicious. You know, I'm so skeptical
Speaker 1: dark beer. Somebody told me that Gainnis is actually a
Speaker 1: people go on at Gainnis diet, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was a joke because dark beers always seem really heavy
Speaker 1: to me. It's like, you know, I want my loaf
Speaker 1: of bread and a glass. But apparently I was wrong
Speaker 1: on that. Then you hear about an olden time where
Speaker 1: people would drink a dark ale with their breakfast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, because the water would kill them. That's true.
Speaker 1: That's a great way to start your day. Did you
Speaker 1: ever hear that theory that the Dark Ages it could
Speaker 1: be chalked up the Dark Ages being the period of
Speaker 1: stagnation and education in Western Europe can apparently be chalked
Speaker 1: up to fundamentalist religious practices and booze. There are a
Speaker 1: couple of historians to say everybody was just pissed drunk
Speaker 1: for like several centuries. Wow, I think that's an oversimplification.
Speaker 1: And speaking of oversimplifications, let's continue with some of the
Speaker 1: backgrounds here. So after becoming fast forward, as we said,
Speaker 1: after becoming President of South Korea, Miss Park and her
Speaker 1: friend Miss Chew continue to have a close relationship. So
Speaker 1: the timeline of Miss parks fall from grace began in
Speaker 1: October of twenty sixteen, which was about a year ago
Speaker 1: from now. So here's the rundown. On October seventeenth, students
Speaker 1: protested at the prestigious Ewaha Women's University in Seoul, which
Speaker 1: sparked a much wider investigation into corruption and influence pedaling
Speaker 1: in parks Inner Circle. And then specifically we had protesters
Speaker 1: arguing that miss Choi's daughter was unfairly admitted to the
Speaker 1: school due to potential influence, shall we say, from the
Speaker 1: administration from Park's office. And then we've got one of
Speaker 1: the weirdest little bits from this scandal, which was the
Speaker 1: Choi's daughter was able to list her champion dressage performance
Speaker 1: on her application. And so anyone doesn't know, that's like
Speaker 1: where the horse just kind of steps right like it's
Speaker 1: almost like a little prancing. The horse and the rider
Speaker 1: perform a series of predetermined move moves. It's not like jumping,
Speaker 1: it's not racing. It's like kind of trotting in a
Speaker 1: circle or tapping and like racing. Your okay for every
Speaker 1: I literally a show pony, Yeah, yeah, exactly for everyone
Speaker 1: who doesn't have some weirdly specific version of synaesthesia, clairvoyance
Speaker 1: or telepathy. What Nolan I were doing when we were
Speaker 1: trying to explain, we were both using a right hands
Speaker 1: like like the front hooves of a horse. Um, I
Speaker 1: hope that doesn't come back to hunters. So yeah, yeah, dressage, dressage, dressage.
Speaker 1: I think it's dressage sounds more fancy let's let's go
Speaker 1: with Yeah, I was gonna say that is something I
Speaker 1: would associate with wealth, opulence. Yeah, here we go, affluence
Speaker 1: and influence. As it turns out, yes, because this training
Speaker 1: was apparently paid for by the South Korean government, So
Speaker 1: taxpayer money essentially sent this kid to a horse school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well they would. I'm sure they call it at that level.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they don't call it horse school the Grsage Academy. Yes,
Speaker 1: and we continue, right, Oh boy do we ever? We
Speaker 1: have October twenty fourth, wherein the South Korean broadcaster JTBC
Speaker 1: broke open the scandal wide open by uncovering a tablet
Speaker 1: computer belonging to Choi Soon. Still. Yeah, the friend was
Speaker 1: a friend of miss Park, who had no official government
Speaker 1: post whatsoever, and documents found on this device suggests that
Speaker 1: miss Joy had received confidential presidential documents and edited key speeches.
Speaker 1: So yeah, she's editing speeches for the president who's not
Speaker 1: officially a part of anything. And again, I'm not one
Speaker 1: hundred percent, you know, clear on the particulars of the
Speaker 1: you know, chain of command and levels of clearance I
Speaker 1: guess in this government, but I would imagine people would
Speaker 1: have to be vetted and assigned some kind of clearance
Speaker 1: to get these documents. Oh sure, it's obviously might not happen.
Speaker 1: We'll imagine President Obama or imagine President Trump saying saying, well,
Speaker 1: you know, these might be confidential, but I don't keep
Speaker 1: any secrets from a boy jelly Roll. Yea jelly jelly
Speaker 1: Roll has got all these documents on his tablet and
Speaker 1: he's just editing speeches. He got me into that Floyd concert.
Speaker 1: This is a man who understands the world, and I
Speaker 1: want him working with these secrets. Jelly Roll. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it'd be one thing if jelly Roll was an accomplished
Speaker 1: speech writer who just wasn't officially working on the thing,
Speaker 1: but was a friend and was like helping him out.
Speaker 1: But if it's somebody even though dude, can't you I mean,
Speaker 1: in our government at least you know he had just
Speaker 1: like slip people that kind of stuff. I mean, you
Speaker 1: get big trouble for that, like at the highest levels.
Speaker 1: I mean I would think of sure, I mean confidential
Speaker 1: documents though, that's that's a huge problem. I guess the
Speaker 1: president has the agency to just kind of do whatever
Speaker 1: and listen. I don't know, Ye, it seems like in
Speaker 1: our government, we have situations where the president, by virtue
Speaker 1: of his own office can just kind of like say, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's cool, We're just gonna do this today, right, like
Speaker 1: when we had that discussion in Zone of Death about
Speaker 1: whether a president can pardon themselves, you know. October twenty fifth,
Speaker 1: Miss Park admits to the country. She says, yes, I
Speaker 1: have close ties to Miss Choi, who has at this
Speaker 1: time been nicknamed the Shaman Advisor already because her father
Speaker 1: was a cult leader. And she apologizes for causing the
Speaker 1: nation grief, Like, my bad, I'm friends with her. That's crazy,
Speaker 1: all right. So then October a little bit later, like
Speaker 1: right at the end October twenty third and the thirtieth,
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people began protesting and gathering in
Speaker 1: Soul for the first of six giant rallies about this scandal,
Speaker 1: protesting against the administration, and Miss Park accepts the resignations
Speaker 1: of several key aids who have gotten caught up in
Speaker 1: this whole affair, which probably means they knew about it
Speaker 1: and didn't say anything, yeah exactly, so they got cut first.
Speaker 1: Then on November first, Miss Choi returns from Germany. She's
Speaker 1: been in Germany, kind of escaping the situation in a way,
Speaker 1: and she comes back and she gets questioned and even
Speaker 1: detained by prosecutors to figure out what the heck is
Speaker 1: going on. So then on November eighth, we have investigators
Speaker 1: raiding the headquarters of Samsung Electronics for the very first time.
Speaker 1: What Yeah, and the company was believed to have come
Speaker 1: under pressure to make donations to Miss Choi. That's weird. Samsung,
Speaker 1: all right? Fourteen was seventeen percent of the economy. Yeah, huh,
Speaker 1: So what next? Then on November twentieth, Miss Park gets
Speaker 1: accused by prosecutors of being a conspirator of the criminal
Speaker 1: variety in Miss Choi's alleged scheme. So Miss Choi is
Speaker 1: kind of in this version like they accused her of before,
Speaker 1: being a puppet master of sorts, and the president is
Speaker 1: just one of the puppets that she's manipulating. And then
Speaker 1: on the twenty ninth of the same month, Miss Park
Speaker 1: offers to resign but does not say when in her proposal,
Speaker 1: then is dismissed by the opposition and the protesters as
Speaker 1: a stalling tactic of sorts. On December sixth, the heads
Speaker 1: of the country's largest companies. Those tribal we mentioned earlier
Speaker 1: are interrogated by lawmakers in the National Assembly, and on
Speaker 1: December ninth, lawmakers vote to impeach Miss Park. So what
Speaker 1: kinds of things are being whispered into President Park's ear
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets kind of spooky too, you know.
Speaker 1: According to the BBC, critics believe Choi perpetuated her father's habits,
Speaker 1: Choi's father being, of course, the leader of the Eternal
Speaker 1: Life Church. Uh. Some media reports suggested that Miss Park
Speaker 1: held shamanistic rituals at the presidential compound under choice influence.
Speaker 1: Miss Park, for the record, denied this. Yeah, the president
Speaker 1: holding shamanistic rituals in and if we apply it to
Speaker 1: the United States president, just in our recurrent situation, President
Speaker 1: Trump performing rituals in the White House with other people around.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe they're not so creepy, but but the
Speaker 1: rituals were we talking about, well, first, you know, for
Speaker 1: another example, Ronald Reagan consulted an astrologer. Yeah, it's true,
Speaker 1: leader of the free world, the most dangerous nukes at
Speaker 1: the time, and presidents do hang out at the Bohemian
Speaker 1: Grove right at the time of our recording, Park continues
Speaker 1: to deny any allegations of participating in cult rituals at
Speaker 1: the Blue House. Think of it as the South Korea
Speaker 1: White House is the president's home. Specifically, to answer your question, Noel,
Speaker 1: these rituals included, but we're not limited to acts of
Speaker 1: alleged clairvoyance, fortune telling, and channeling. Yes, Miss Choi is
Speaker 1: rumored to have told Miss Park she was capable of
Speaker 1: channeling the spirit of the president's dead mother. Additionally, she
Speaker 1: gave the President amulets that had purported abilities to provide
Speaker 1: magical protection. She also listening devices. Quite possibly, she also
Speaker 1: advised the president on which sorts of colors to wear
Speaker 1: and when, for example, red and white clothing. I want
Speaker 1: to stop here before we're before we get too far,
Speaker 1: and note that one thing I really liked about the
Speaker 1: question you asked Nol when you said, well, shamanistic rituals.
Speaker 1: What type of these things for someone who you know,
Speaker 1: historically all the US presidents have outward at least if
Speaker 1: only for the votes, said that they were Christians. Well,
Speaker 1: I was kind of getting at you. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: is it that bizarre and another culture to perform these
Speaker 1: kind of quote unquote rituals is it any more bizarre
Speaker 1: than presidents holding prayer meetings or something like right, or
Speaker 1: a prayer breakfast or something. Yeah, exactly, And you know,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that point because I think it's it's
Speaker 1: a fantastic points when we need to make because there
Speaker 1: there are there are shamanistic religious practices in Korean and
Speaker 1: they're a part of the culture, you know, And so
Speaker 1: it's it's not necessarily it doesn't necessarily mean that this
Speaker 1: is stuff that Choi and her father just made up. However,
Speaker 1: it does seem that it does seem that the daughter
Speaker 1: took up the father's mentor role and definitely put the
Speaker 1: kid in horse school. That's what that thinks for sure.
Speaker 1: So opponents a Park allege that their friend Choi was
Speaker 1: actually less like a friend and more like a behind
Speaker 1: the scenes puppet master, picking up where her father left
Speaker 1: off and directing the president in matters of state policy.
Speaker 1: We know the choy ad access to secret government documents.
Speaker 1: We also know that she edited the president's speeches. But
Speaker 1: that leads us to a couple of questions. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what types of edits were made
Speaker 1: to the speeches. On one hand, it could be as
Speaker 1: simple as proofreading. Maybe she's just fixing some typos, right sure,
Speaker 1: just going through right clicking in the word document and
Speaker 1: or whatever document and then fixing the red saying that's
Speaker 1: actually further not farther, Yeah, for sure. But on the
Speaker 1: other hand, CHOI could have been altering the content of
Speaker 1: these speeches, like meaning, somebody with absolutely zero official government
Speaker 1: position was creating public policy through the words of the
Speaker 1: president and possibly even swaying these things like whatever is
Speaker 1: happening in either the favor of the church or in
Speaker 1: personally you choice favor me because we know, like I mean,
Speaker 1: speeches don't necessarily dictate policy directly, but they can certainly
Speaker 1: shape perception. And you know, the give the impression of
Speaker 1: support of certain things, and that matters. We know words matter,
Speaker 1: and that can make a big difference in you know,
Speaker 1: the way things move in terms of actual policy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're sending signals to the rest of your government
Speaker 1: by saying things in public. That's just it signaling, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it is. It is very important. It's a crucial
Speaker 1: component of foreign policy. So somebody with no qualifications other
Speaker 1: than being someone's friend and or manipulator had their hands
Speaker 1: at the wheel in one of the most um I
Speaker 1: would say, one of the top three most fragile geopolitical areas.
Speaker 1: Sure time, you know, what if? What if? Kim Jong
Speaker 1: un here's his speech that he or his advisors don't like.
Speaker 1: You know, I have a feeling that happens all the time.
Speaker 1: Probably does it, Probably does. So this is an ongoing situation,
Speaker 1: and where does it leave us in the modern day.
Speaker 1: We'll draw some conclusions after a word from our sponsor, Well,
Speaker 1: we're back, and it doesn't look good, right, Miss Park
Speaker 1: certainly did seem to be under the sway of choice
Speaker 1: influence as well as choice fathers and heads of the
Speaker 1: corporation involved are saying, you know, it's fairly it's incredibly
Speaker 1: uncommon for these very powerful business leaders to be called
Speaker 1: into a member version of Congress. They're saying they were
Speaker 1: a core into donating millions of dollars to choice organizations. Wow,
Speaker 1: South Korea already elected a new president, Like, how do
Speaker 1: you I'm just wondering about being coerced into donating millions
Speaker 1: of dollars to this stuff because I guess you couldn't.
Speaker 1: You could threaten to impose sanction or you know, new taxes,
Speaker 1: or you know, things that would make operating your giant
Speaker 1: conglomerate unfeasible. I can't imagine how much pressure, but there
Speaker 1: must have been something there, some triggers to pull. Well,
Speaker 1: there's also the yeah, they're they're definitely triggers. There. There
Speaker 1: are hard triggers and there are soft triggers that might
Speaker 1: not ever legally be personal stuff you're right, or legally
Speaker 1: recognized as a threat too. Yeah, there might be personal stuff,
Speaker 1: but it might also be something as simple as we
Speaker 1: have new complications on building codes, right, yeah, or tariffs
Speaker 1: or something, you know. Yeah, I wonder if Choy threatened
Speaker 1: to summon the dead relatives of some of the leaders
Speaker 1: of the conglomerates. That's an interesting idea, Matt. At this point,
Speaker 1: we don't At this point, we don't know. Yeh sure,
Speaker 1: if it's anything like that, and most likely as not,
Speaker 1: it would just be interesting. Well, that's the thing. Without
Speaker 1: knowing what was happening, right, it's it's very difficult for
Speaker 1: people to form concrete opinion or sort of chronological chain
Speaker 1: of events. We do know that since the tenth of
Speaker 1: May twenty seventeen, there's been a new president in South Korea,
Speaker 1: Moonji In, who as far as we know, is not
Speaker 1: under the sway of a cult. As a former human
Speaker 1: rights lawyer and chief of staff to another former president,
Speaker 1: Romo hun he was he was elected with a with
Speaker 1: an okay, okay share of the of the vote. It
Speaker 1: seems like in all honesty, they just had to have
Speaker 1: a snap election to get this other person out. So
Speaker 1: that's that's the case. So far as this is a
Speaker 1: developing situation, we'll probably hear more about it. Um it
Speaker 1: does not come at the best time of course, geopolitically,
Speaker 1: we are this. This is going to come out after
Speaker 1: we record it, so some of the events may seem
Speaker 1: a little bit older or changed even slightly, but not
Speaker 1: much hopefully right like we are currently recording this the
Speaker 1: day before the DPRK is set to launch another ICBM,
Speaker 1: and they'll be launching it on Saturday, September ninth, yep
Speaker 1: eehaw right, And we can do an entire episode about
Speaker 1: North Korea's purported nuclear capabil these plus versus their actual
Speaker 1: nuclear capabilities. But at this time the region is under
Speaker 1: intense global scrutiny and the powers that be are are
Speaker 1: flocking there. This is a this is going to be
Speaker 1: Asnell said, interest a series of interesting times for South
Speaker 1: Korean president and for the people of the region. Just
Speaker 1: as a side note, I know a few people, multiple people,
Speaker 1: who are in the navy, and they have been snapped
Speaker 1: up from being on leave to go on an adventure
Speaker 1: somewhere that they cannot discuss. So it always makes me think, Oh,
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're heading that way. Who knows. At
Speaker 1: the same time, we have signals from officials in the
Speaker 1: Russian and US governments talking about that are indicating arms
Speaker 1: build up, training exercises. What a time to be alive.
Speaker 1: I hope that the streak of being alive continues not
Speaker 1: and of course we hope that everyone hearing this is
Speaker 1: in a safe place, and we are sending our thoughts
Speaker 1: and support to the innocent people of the world because
Speaker 1: you know, as they say, what's that old quote, when
Speaker 1: elephants go to war, only the grass suffers. Oh geez,
Speaker 1: trampling on all. Now, just one last thing here before
Speaker 1: we you know, end of this episode. Per se, are
Speaker 1: you doing the voice? Do the voice of work? We
Speaker 1: just have to remember in our own country, if we
Speaker 1: look at ourselves. The United States has a long tradition
Speaker 1: of secret societies among the upper echelons of our government. Yeah, heah,
Speaker 1: including Freemasonry, let's say, the illuminosis perhaps of Bavaria, and
Speaker 1: you know, the Bohemian grove, skull and Bones, all of
Speaker 1: these other secret societies that the United States voter just
Speaker 1: has to either not know about or completely ignore when
Speaker 1: they make their decision on who they're going to vote for,
Speaker 1: because most of the people that get up to that
Speaker 1: level have been a part of one or more of these.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a great point, Matt, and I'm glad
Speaker 1: you made it, because it goes so it's in the
Speaker 1: great interest of people who profit from a status quo
Speaker 1: to enforce disunity amongst the bottom part of society, right,
Speaker 1: or any lower part of society. So often you'll see
Speaker 1: this false dichotomy hinging on a political position or a
Speaker 1: I mean, the best is when there's blind loyalty to
Speaker 1: a party, because when the parties are both fingers on
Speaker 1: the same hand, then everybody gets to have a little
Speaker 1: bit of bread and circuses, a little bit of Facebook liking,
Speaker 1: a little bit of clicktivism or whatever, and feel that
Speaker 1: they've done their part for reproduction or gun ownership or
Speaker 1: whatever whatever their issue is, and Honestly, just saying it
Speaker 1: on a podcast that I know goes out to a
Speaker 1: number of people makes me feel good. But ultimately, what
Speaker 1: does it do? What does it do? R right? And
Speaker 1: the groups who are participating in the just buffoonish, buffoonish
Speaker 1: summer camp that is Bohemian Grove or the dumb fraternity
Speaker 1: that has skull and bones. I mean, look, here's the
Speaker 1: thing with tradition. I've never been in them, just I
Speaker 1: don't have an opinion because well, it's a very powerful
Speaker 1: organization with very powerful people in it, and hopefully those
Speaker 1: people are using their power to keep this species alive
Speaker 1: and push it toward its ultimate destiny, which is expanding
Speaker 1: beyond this planet before we destroy it one way or another. However,
Speaker 1: I think that it is a lapse in critical thinking
Speaker 1: to assume that because something has existed for a long time,
Speaker 1: or that because powerful people like it, it is therefore
Speaker 1: somehow correct or superior. I mean, look at sadly, there's
Speaker 1: so many examples of times where people said, well, that's
Speaker 1: tradition or that's how we've done it, and those turned
Speaker 1: out to be terrible, terrible, incredibly stupid things. And we're
Speaker 1: still doing a lot of them, and we can't we
Speaker 1: as individuals, we as groups, whatever group you align yourself
Speaker 1: with have to be have to take great pains to
Speaker 1: note that the problems we so easily spy or so
Speaker 1: we easily perceive in other organizations, whether that's a religion,
Speaker 1: a state, or a business or a family, whatever, a
Speaker 1: fan club for Christopher Walkin. Groups of humans tend to
Speaker 1: have some of the same root problems, you know, and
Speaker 1: the same rotten tooth of corruption in the mouth of
Speaker 1: the South Korean government and still exists. Right, the president
Speaker 1: was corrupt, But we can't act like the US doesn't
Speaker 1: have its own cavities in this terrible analogy. Dude, Hey,
Speaker 1: I feel that the big thing for me is loyalty.
Speaker 1: If you if you are swearing an oath to serve
Speaker 1: as a democratically elected official, especially and in the executive
Speaker 1: office as the president for the people, you are you
Speaker 1: are acting as an executor of the people's will essentially
Speaker 1: and also you know in a way, and that's at
Speaker 1: least what it says. But what if you've already sworn
Speaker 1: an oath to one of these secret societies prior to
Speaker 1: swearing that oath? Do they exist simultaneously? Do you know
Speaker 1: who do you serve? If you are a public public figure,
Speaker 1: if you're a government official, should you be required to
Speaker 1: disclose all all the ins and outs of those businesses
Speaker 1: or you know, swear like break that oath in some
Speaker 1: way officially? Well, then is it a violation of because
Speaker 1: a government official is still a citizen, is a violation
Speaker 1: at least in the US of their right to privacy?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? You know what do you think? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just I support the right to you know,
Speaker 1: for a high level government to have a guru of
Speaker 1: some sort they just keep around, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that's that's cool. Yeah, what's the point of having a
Speaker 1: stressful job like that if you can't have some sort
Speaker 1: of weird magician that you hung around with all the time? Merlin,
Speaker 1: there should always be a resputant a choice and still
Speaker 1: there you go. You know, that's interesting because we do
Speaker 1: know that there are advisors in different countries that would
Speaker 1: they're doing things that would be considered magical acts, right
Speaker 1: like Myanmar were also aka Burma had the military powers
Speaker 1: there for a long time, took the advice of astrologers
Speaker 1: and actually relocated the capital for that and even magical beliefs,
Speaker 1: aside just having a trusted confidant or an advisor, especially
Speaker 1: if you're in a series, if you're in a position
Speaker 1: where several million, several hundred million people in case of
Speaker 1: any US president past nineteen fifty probably would like to
Speaker 1: kill you. You know, it's good to have friends. Are
Speaker 1: sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I haven't learned much from TV
Speaker 1: and movies, but one thing I have learned is that
Speaker 1: the bad guy is almost always the close trusted advisor.
Speaker 1: Oh like Scar almost always in the Lion King or Iago,
Speaker 1: there's so many A lot of times it's the magician.
Speaker 1: A lot of times, you know, it's the religious leader.
Speaker 1: Just saying yeah, you know, that makes me think. Leads
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, if you were in a position of immense power,
Speaker 1: or if you are now, do you practice having gurus?
Speaker 1: Do you have a trusted advisor? Do you have even
Speaker 1: if you are not in a position of quote unquote
Speaker 1: immense power? Now, do you have a spiritual advisor? Do
Speaker 1: you have someone that has a connection to things unseen
Speaker 1: and little understood, and if so, do you follow their lead?
Speaker 1: Have you met with success or have you been burned
Speaker 1: in the shamanistic rituals? We'd like to Yeah, whatever the
Speaker 1: belief system, maybe we'd like to hear from you. And
Speaker 1: speaking of which reminds us it's time for first shout
Speaker 1: out Today comes from Simon Hey from Australia. Says, Simon
Speaker 1: love the show, so I thought i'd give you a
Speaker 1: story I heard from a friend's grandpapa. I inserted the
Speaker 1: extra papa. He was in the navy in Al Salvador
Speaker 1: or the US, and after this encounter, he and his
Speaker 1: shipmates have never set foot back on a boat. When
Speaker 1: they were out in the Atlantic one night, massive swells
Speaker 1: began to form out of nowhere, and he said something
Speaker 1: came out of the water that was so big that
Speaker 1: its eyes were the size of a semi trailer. It
Speaker 1: looked directly at the boat and went back under water.
Speaker 1: So Simon says that when they reported this to the command,
Speaker 1: they were basically dressed down by their commanders or whatever
Speaker 1: and basically accused of being drunk. So he swears to
Speaker 1: the story, and it doesn't go into too much more detail,
Speaker 1: but he hates talking about him. Also, have you ever
Speaker 1: heard about the westall Ufo sighting. I highly recommend you
Speaker 1: sus it out as Australia is known for weird things
Speaker 1: like UFO sightings. Keep up the good work and skadooche
Speaker 1: nice Simon. That's a cool story. You know, the size
Speaker 1: of a semi I like that. Yeah, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1: You gotta really believe that, friends Grandpa, but you know,
Speaker 1: I believe him, but I want to learn more. Also,
Speaker 1: if there's a massive storm, maybe it's possible that something
Speaker 1: that typically would be in the lower levels of the
Speaker 1: ocean was pulled up to the surface momentarily or just
Speaker 1: came to check it out, or just came to check
Speaker 1: it out, just to see what the HAPs were. The
Speaker 1: Westall UFO Encounter is a UFO story from nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: six where more than two hundred students and teachers at
Speaker 1: these two schools witnessed in UFO descending on a field.
Speaker 1: And it's an interesting case because I remember this, you know,
Speaker 1: over two hundred people. Yeah, so there's a lot of corroboration.
Speaker 1: That's a really good point, Simon. That's a really good
Speaker 1: idea too. Thank you so much for writing in And
Speaker 1: I hope your friend's grandfather talks about it more. Often
Speaker 1: that's you'd be surprised what people can remember when they
Speaker 1: try the size of a semi that keeps yelp and
Speaker 1: keeps baffling me. I don't want to see that. Thanks,
Speaker 1: Writing in Simon, who's next next? Shout out goes to Cameron. Cameron,
Speaker 1: that's your shout out, Cameron says, I was listening to
Speaker 1: the Lucky Yates episode, and you pondered why aliens would
Speaker 1: analyze the ethics of abducting humans and come to the
Speaker 1: conclusion that they must return us to Earth after abducting us,
Speaker 1: but that they do not have to ask permission in
Speaker 1: the first place. It stands to reason that, by our morality,
Speaker 1: the most ethical way to approach an abduction would be
Speaker 1: to ask permission first and return the abductee to their
Speaker 1: original state afterwards. This is a primary tenet of the
Speaker 1: American justice system, after all. Cameron says, However, what if
Speaker 1: alien morality does not parallel our own? Consider a man,
Speaker 1: a human man who's sitting on a boat on a
Speaker 1: lake with a pole attached to that pole as a
Speaker 1: string with a hook on the end. This man is fishing.
Speaker 1: I like, how You're right, Cameron. He will not ask
Speaker 1: the fish for their permission before catching them. But there
Speaker 1: stands a good chance that if he will not eat
Speaker 1: the fish, he will throw it back into the lake.
Speaker 1: Why does the man do this Well, because humans have
Speaker 1: an ethical standard that they apply to fishing, whereby the
Speaker 1: fish is returned to the water if it will not
Speaker 1: be eaten. We call this catch and release. We do
Speaker 1: this because we do not assign enough value to the
Speaker 1: lives of the fish to require their permission. Oh wow, right,
Speaker 1: good point. So is it possible that the aliens operate
Speaker 1: with the same ethical dichotomy? Could they see us as
Speaker 1: fish hiding underneath the surface of Earth's atmosphere and reason
Speaker 1: that their ethics do not require them to ask permission
Speaker 1: of us fish human folk, but do require them to
Speaker 1: return us to Earth if they don't plan to eat
Speaker 1: us and or to you know, do something that would
Speaker 1: end our lives. Hmm, you know, I really I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that point. To me, probably the stranger thing is
Speaker 1: just how one would traverse the gulfs of time and space. Sure,
Speaker 1: I really love the catch and release comparison. The reasoning
Speaker 1: here is yaiful. What do you think, Matt? What do
Speaker 1: you think? Though? I love this Cameron. If there are
Speaker 1: in fact species of some sort that are advanced enough
Speaker 1: to want to study humans and this is in fact
Speaker 1: what they're doing, this makes so much sense to me.
Speaker 1: M hmm. And that that one line in particular, we
Speaker 1: do this because we do not assign enough value to
Speaker 1: the lives of fish to require their permission. WHOA isn't
Speaker 1: it funny to how even people that are like a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, non meat eaters are okay with
Speaker 1: eating fish like pesketarians because they aren't cuddly, they don't
Speaker 1: seem to have you know, anthropomorphic type of traits. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder if anyone's out there, like I'm interested actually
Speaker 1: to hear what your reasoning is behind it. Is it
Speaker 1: like a health thing or is it in fact a
Speaker 1: kind of more of an emotional thing. It's because their
Speaker 1: water breathers. Man, they ain't breathe in air. Now, an
Speaker 1: octopus is capable of experiencing emotion and recognition, right, So
Speaker 1: so if that's if it's an ethical concern about like
Speaker 1: the ability to suffer or have experience experience emotions, then
Speaker 1: I guess a pescetarium shouldn't eat an octopus. I have
Speaker 1: known pesket arians that will not eat cephalopods. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's different for different people, but let us know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great idea. And how can you prove if
Speaker 1: a fish feels emotion or not because they're always just
Speaker 1: going oh sorry, I'm so sorry. Oh man, no, I
Speaker 1: respect that we're working live. Yeah, all right, Nolan, I
Speaker 1: did a horse dance earlier. So now now the three
Speaker 1: of us are back on even keel, we have time
Speaker 1: one more shout out today from riconomed name assumed name.
Speaker 1: Ricon says, I just listened to the Pyramid podcast and
Speaker 1: the part at the end where you said your conversations
Speaker 1: normally continue at a bar somewhere. I'd love if you
Speaker 1: all did an after hours podcast where you were drinking
Speaker 1: at a bar and continuing the conversation from a normal podcast.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Ricon um drunk conspiracy see or I
Speaker 1: mean even just like conspira drunk, the ambiance of a bar,
Speaker 1: hanging out and having just maybe even if it's just
Speaker 1: a beer or something with the cameo from the bartender.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and then just have we could have special
Speaker 1: guests come over and just hang out with us. You say,
Speaker 1: all kinds of weird stuff once you've had a logger
Speaker 1: or two. Well, yeah, look, we're still will still listen
Speaker 1: back and Tristan will do his magic on whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But I can imagine something really cool being there Tristan.
Speaker 1: You have to edit sober though, right, that's that's the
Speaker 1: rule he's given the no like not possible. Tristan will
Speaker 1: be there with us, and he'll edit real time as
Speaker 1: we're going, just like cut and then keep going. I
Speaker 1: love this. I like the idea too. And we have
Speaker 1: you know, we have a couple of regular spots maybe
Speaker 1: sometime in like October later in the year. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been off the sauce this month. Yeah, we both have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. You can have a cranberry. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to talk out of school, but yeah, it's been pretty great. Actually,
Speaker 1: I'm I might. I might never go back. Oh well, hey,
Speaker 1: if that's what you want to do, man, more power
Speaker 1: to you. Thanks buddy. Yeah, then I gotta tell you, hey,
Speaker 1: you out a bar is not drinking. It is actually
Speaker 1: really interesting and a lot of fun. I went to
Speaker 1: a show the other night at a concert, saw this
Speaker 1: amazing band, the Ocs. If anyone's ever heard of them,
Speaker 1: or check them out there like this m LA kind
Speaker 1: of garage e psychedelic punk kind of I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to even describe, but the dude that plays
Speaker 1: guitar just blows it up. He's amazing and he's it's
Speaker 1: it's really really cool music. But it was one of
Speaker 1: the first times I've been to a concert like that
Speaker 1: and not had a drink. And I felt so undistracted,
Speaker 1: Like I watched the whole show, never moved, never worried
Speaker 1: about getting back the bar, you're getting in line whatever.
Speaker 1: I felt like it was a much more full experience.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. Not to nice, sound preachy or anything.
Speaker 1: I really have been kind of digging. It's not more
Speaker 1: of your money's worth. Just try too, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went to a I went to one of our
Speaker 1: local bars in the area here and I hung out
Speaker 1: for a couple hours and my bar tap was seven dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got a hot dog from fries. Wow. It was great.
Speaker 1: So we were obviously into this idea. Ricon and fellow listeners,
Speaker 1: let us know if you would want us to take
Speaker 1: a recording out and about in the world where it
Speaker 1: would be believe it or not, probably even more casual.
Speaker 1: My thought is we could incorporate the Lucky Yates style
Speaker 1: of hanging out and discussing multiple topics. I think we
Speaker 1: might be able to make this work. Gentleman, I'm game,
Speaker 1: and hopefully you are. To let us know. For now,
Speaker 1: that concludes ours but not our show. We will be
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