Speaker 1: Here's some stories about shore. We made about a bunch
Speaker 1: of doctor nurses stories. So get around hereat around here.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, hello, I was just crying watching you.
Speaker 1: So this is a little we like that. We like that.
Speaker 1: Um well, hey everybody, we'll just dive in this is
Speaker 1: we'll sit here that I was gonna have it be formal,
Speaker 1: but you know what, let's just do it informally. Um. Hello, listeners,
Speaker 1: welcome to a special version of Fake Doctor's Real Friends. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the only time we could do this is on Sunday,
Speaker 1: right before our premier. And Donald is at a basketball
Speaker 1: tournament with his son. As we all know, his son
Speaker 1: is just incredible at basketball, and it's Donald's dream and
Speaker 1: he wanted to be here so badly, but he's at
Speaker 1: a big tournament with Rocco. But we do have the
Speaker 1: fantabulous Joel Monique and DJ Danel happy to be here,
Speaker 1: of course. And this is really special because those of
Speaker 1: you who listen to the podcast know how important this
Speaker 1: whole journey of this movie has been for me. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go deep and talk about my journey of writing it,
Speaker 1: which a lot of you have followed because I have
Speaker 1: been writing it the entire time we've been doing this podcast.
Speaker 1: And it's no secret that Florence and I were partners
Speaker 1: and we did the whole pandemic together and the whole
Speaker 1: experience of Mick together, and we made this beautiful piece
Speaker 1: of art. Well, at least I think it's beautiful, and
Speaker 1: I hope you all like it. And so I just
Speaker 1: wanted to bring Florence on Florence High. But um, I'm
Speaker 1: here instead of Donald. Yes, yes, your your personalities are
Speaker 1: are both vivacious, loud, yeah, yes, yes, Hi you guys,
Speaker 1: how you dan very well? Very well? Yeah? Yeah. To
Speaker 1: Daniel's point, there were lots of tears as we were.
Speaker 1: We were texting each other while we were watching, like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Florence is so talented. I got to
Speaker 1: read the script. I have questions about what happened to
Speaker 1: one of my favorite scenes. Yeah, well don't don't, don't
Speaker 1: do any We have to be careful. But of course
Speaker 1: I wanted you guys to weigh in, because, um, you know, Joelle,
Speaker 1: I have to thank you. Joel's a very talented writer,
Speaker 1: and I uh, I in the script stage, I said, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm getting my writing friends input. Please read this and
Speaker 1: and and give me any thoughts you have, because I
Speaker 1: did that with a with a myriad of people, just
Speaker 1: to kind of get notes and thoughts from other talented people. So, Joelle,
Speaker 1: it must have been cool for you to see it
Speaker 1: realized it was cool because so your scripts are very
Speaker 1: um detailed and visual, and so you got like a
Speaker 1: full like idea, like a movie mind map, if you will,
Speaker 1: what was happening. And so I'm watching the phone, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what I read. This is great. It's sort
Speaker 1: of how I imagined it. That's different than how imagined it,
Speaker 1: but it's really cool. Um. And then there was a
Speaker 1: moment where I was like, wait, did I miss the scene?
Speaker 1: It was one of my favorite scenes reading it in
Speaker 1: the script, and then I didn't make it to the screen,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what happened? I'm sure there's a
Speaker 1: very valid reason, but yeah, I just give a hint
Speaker 1: what scene was it? So I know which scene it.
Speaker 1: I don't think it oils anything, but let me know, Zach.
Speaker 1: Molly Shannon makes an important phone call from flows mom
Speaker 1: in the film, and she makes an important phone call
Speaker 1: to try to help her daughter, and it's so moving
Speaker 1: and well written. But I know, sometimes even the best
Speaker 1: written stuff, for the best performed stuff, you're like, over
Speaker 1: time or for the pacing of the film, it just happened.
Speaker 1: What happens is, you know, we shot this movie in
Speaker 1: twenty six days, right, and so what happens is the
Speaker 1: analogy always uses it's like a scavenger hunt. You go
Speaker 1: out and in twenty six days, for minimum twelve hours,
Speaker 1: you race and race and race and collect as much
Speaker 1: stuff as you can, right, and then you get back
Speaker 1: to and you're like out of breath and you get
Speaker 1: back to the edit room and then you're like, what
Speaker 1: did we get? And what often happens is once you
Speaker 1: do the assembly, it's two hours three sorry, two and
Speaker 1: a half three hours long. And so that's when you know,
Speaker 1: most filmmakers will tell you a movie is made in
Speaker 1: the edit room. That's when you start to go, Okay,
Speaker 1: what this giant three hour piece of clay? Where is
Speaker 1: our two hour movie? And you take stuff out and
Speaker 1: then you go, ah, put that back, and then you
Speaker 1: take big chunks out because I mean a half hour
Speaker 1: to forty five minutes is a lot of screen time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's where you really truly hone in on which
Speaker 1: story you're going to tell with your two hours. You know. Also,
Speaker 1: sometimes as an actor, when your stuff is cut, even
Speaker 1: if it's not seen or shown, and that's also really sad.
Speaker 1: It does it does give you a piece of perspective
Speaker 1: to the character that no one else does, and it
Speaker 1: gets you from A to B without the audience seeing.
Speaker 1: And actually sometimes it's just as much for you as
Speaker 1: it is for what it serves to the storyline. So
Speaker 1: actually you come out at the end of the story
Speaker 1: even if that scene is not seen, with a deeper
Speaker 1: understanding of who you're playing and where they were before
Speaker 1: that scene and after that scene. So it actually does
Speaker 1: serve a purpose even if it's not in the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's heartbreaking sometimes because you know, I cut scenes,
Speaker 1: like you said, Joel, I could have seen that Joel
Speaker 1: loved and that scene is amazing and maybe there'll be
Speaker 1: maybe one day. I don't know if in the streaming
Speaker 1: days they even do cut scenes, do they? They probably
Speaker 1: do some streaming channels me too, the Disney Plus that
Speaker 1: actually does a lot of it. Yeah, I'd always watch
Speaker 1: the direct the cut scenes or scenes it didn't make it,
Speaker 1: and they'd be the best blooper is on that. Well,
Speaker 1: what's nice is like when you love a movie you
Speaker 1: and you love the characters and you're kind of like,
Speaker 1: I want more. Obviously, with the streaming series there'll be
Speaker 1: another season, but with a movie, I guess you can go, well,
Speaker 1: show me the cut scenes. I at least want to
Speaker 1: watch those, you know for sure it gives you the
Speaker 1: entirely different perspectives on types, to the characters and to
Speaker 1: the directors or writers visions. Yeah, I love cut scenes.
Speaker 1: Wait before we go, any furvitive vote, you guys should
Speaker 1: like for people who don't know. If somehow you've been
Speaker 1: living under rock and didn't see a trailer, what is
Speaker 1: this movie about? What's it called? It's a good Person? Okay,
Speaker 1: So the reason we're doing this for those of you
Speaker 1: who might be joining us for the first time because
Speaker 1: you heard Florence p was on our show. This just
Speaker 1: normally rewatch Scrubs podcast, but during lockdown I wrote a
Speaker 1: movie for Florence Pugh, called A Good Person and Florence.
Speaker 1: I always wrote it with her in mind, and I
Speaker 1: when I gave it to Florence, she became a producer
Speaker 1: of the film and was incredible. It was incredibly collaborative,
Speaker 1: she was giving me notes that were very helpful. She
Speaker 1: was giving me script ideas. And her character is a
Speaker 1: singer songwriter, not as a career, but as a sort
Speaker 1: of a way of dealing with her emotions and her
Speaker 1: almost like journaling. She writes music. And so I asked
Speaker 1: Florence if she would because she is a song Well
Speaker 1: do you want to say yes? I can already already
Speaker 1: here interrupting me, So Florence will now take over. Well
Speaker 1: that's not that's not who she is, Alison. Well you
Speaker 1: tell me you're you're Alison time. So um, there's a
Speaker 1: beautiful script. I wasn't allowed to read it until it
Speaker 1: was completed. Zach was writing it during the pandemic, and
Speaker 1: he'd go down to the office and would write for
Speaker 1: like four hours or five hours a day, and we'd
Speaker 1: come back up and would be very, very excited to
Speaker 1: share with me all the things that he had learned
Speaker 1: about these characters. And it was at the same time
Speaker 1: when he was starting the podcast that he'd go down
Speaker 1: sometimes in the morning and then we'd come back in
Speaker 1: the afternoon and would say, I've written this amazing scene
Speaker 1: between you and Daniel, and then we'd discuss it and
Speaker 1: chew the fat and talk about why that's amazing, where
Speaker 1: that could go. And so I kind of was very
Speaker 1: much a part of the story from the beginning and
Speaker 1: understood these characters on a deeper level than if i'd
Speaker 1: just been given the script one day. And when I
Speaker 1: finally got the script, I Alison goes through a load
Speaker 1: of amazing and awful interactions with these characters that she
Speaker 1: meets throughout this story, all because of an awful tragedy
Speaker 1: that happens at the very beginning of the movie. And
Speaker 1: she is in such a such a mental state that
Speaker 1: I've never even come close to or seen really before.
Speaker 1: And I think for me, I just I really had
Speaker 1: to try and imagine what it is that I would
Speaker 1: be feeling if I was in that position, and if
Speaker 1: I had affected people's lives in the way that she did.
Speaker 1: And I guess, just to figure out if I was
Speaker 1: on the right path, I wrote a song for me.
Speaker 1: In my life, I've always I've always digested life or
Speaker 1: falling in love or going through heartbreaks and with songwriting,
Speaker 1: and it's been like my diary form, I suppose, And
Speaker 1: so with this, I was like, Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 1: I'm going to write something and try and get in
Speaker 1: the headspace of Alison and showed it to Zach, played
Speaker 1: it to Zach and Zach said, that's great. Can it
Speaker 1: be in the movie? Which I had no intention of
Speaker 1: it actually being in the movie. I don't remember, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do, because I I digested it. I was digesting
Speaker 1: the character like that. I remember asking you, is this
Speaker 1: is this how she is feeling? Well? But I feel
Speaker 1: as I always wanted her to be. Yeah, she was
Speaker 1: always going to be like a piano player. Yeah. Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: however it occurred, Florence wrote these two incredible songs in
Speaker 1: the character, which is something just really unique that you
Speaker 1: know doesn't happen very often, that your your lead actress
Speaker 1: can get in the heads base of the character and
Speaker 1: then write a piece of music that the character might
Speaker 1: write and then perform it in the movie. I thought
Speaker 1: that was really just special. It's a unique form of collaboration.
Speaker 1: I think specifically in like cinema for yeah, for a
Speaker 1: song from an actor to appear, and it's really lovely
Speaker 1: and it's so wonderful to hear you seeing Florence. I
Speaker 1: wonder so you knew Zach was working on the script,
Speaker 1: but you couldn't read it until it was done. Am
Speaker 1: I right in assuming this is the first like script
Speaker 1: where a character was written with you in mind to
Speaker 1: play the character. I've had. I've had people write scripts
Speaker 1: and have me in mind of the role when they've
Speaker 1: written it, which is very flattering and wonderful. And maybe
Speaker 1: they had me in mind to act in it, and
Speaker 1: that's a different thing. Zach. Write with the intention of
Speaker 1: having my voice in the essence of me coming through
Speaker 1: in a character. I think that was the difference there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really just um, you know, I just think Florence
Speaker 1: is an incredible actress, and so I wanted to write
Speaker 1: something to her, and because I know her so well
Speaker 1: as I was writing, and I've never done this, you
Speaker 1: know that. The two other features I've written, I've directed
Speaker 1: four movies. The third one Going in Style, I didn't write.
Speaker 1: It was a studio heist comedy. But the two others
Speaker 1: I've written and wish I was here. I should note
Speaker 1: I wrote with my incredibly talented brother Adam Brath. But
Speaker 1: those were, you know, written for me. They were they
Speaker 1: were things I was going through and dealing with, and
Speaker 1: I knew that I'd be playing the character. So for
Speaker 1: the first time I wrote something wanting to deal with
Speaker 1: things I was dealing with and battling the grief of
Speaker 1: losing my my sister and my father in the last
Speaker 1: four years. And then, of course, as while I was
Speaker 1: writing this, all of this happened with losing Nick to COVID,
Speaker 1: our friend who is living on our property. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to write about all this stuff, not tell those
Speaker 1: specific stories, but write about the grief that I was
Speaker 1: battling and people I loved were battling, you know, looking
Speaker 1: at Amanda, cludes Nick's widow, looking at my mom, who
Speaker 1: would sit by my sister's bedside every day, that was
Speaker 1: just what was what what bubbled up for me in
Speaker 1: the Pandemic was wanting to write about standing back up
Speaker 1: after trauma and grief, but also with my own tone,
Speaker 1: try and find a way to find the humor in it,
Speaker 1: because I didn't want it to be too maudlin. When
Speaker 1: you hear me talk about those subjects, you might be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so heavy. And don't don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, the movie is emotional, but also there's
Speaker 1: a lot of that. No, but I mean, you guys
Speaker 1: can attest to it. That there's a lot of humor
Speaker 1: as well. Oh of course, that's what you do so well,
Speaker 1: is right lightness when people are in such darkness. That's
Speaker 1: that's why I think it's so easy to watch your
Speaker 1: movies that are about really depressing shit. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think what I really enjoyed about it was the messiness
Speaker 1: involved with like healing and standing back up. I feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of times when we see it mapped
Speaker 1: onto films, it's, you know, a rising arc and then
Speaker 1: you reach a peak and then you're better, and that's
Speaker 1: totally fine, But in real life it's a lot more
Speaker 1: comple I think the most emotional scene for me is
Speaker 1: again without spoiling thing, you go to a group Alice,
Speaker 1: and the character goes to a group to get some
Speaker 1: help and figure things out, and she's been encouraged to
Speaker 1: for the first time, like speak her truth. They're like, hey,
Speaker 1: you have to contribute if you're going to be here,
Speaker 1: and it's such a vulnerable place and Florence obviously played
Speaker 1: that so well. But then what's also happening underneath is
Speaker 1: all the things she doesn't know yet, all the lies
Speaker 1: she's still telling to herself, and it's such if you've
Speaker 1: ever been in a position of having to take a
Speaker 1: first big step. It's just it's huge. It's it's really hard,
Speaker 1: and it makes you feel like just oh, it's so
Speaker 1: awkward and I'm uncomfortable. And then there's also the absolute
Speaker 1: certainty that they'll be failure following that. And I think
Speaker 1: all of that somehow is embodied in a single moment,
Speaker 1: and it was really beautiful. Thank you. I really I
Speaker 1: really wanted that scene. I mean, she hasn't been honest
Speaker 1: for maybe about an hour. She hasn't really truly spoken,
Speaker 1: and she's very good at getting out of conversations and
Speaker 1: getting out of being, you know, put on the hot seat.
Speaker 1: And I think with that scene it was really really important,
Speaker 1: and I really wanted that scene to be like, she
Speaker 1: has to speak, she has to be truly honest and
Speaker 1: actually talk about what she thinks she is and what
Speaker 1: she knows she is. Otherwise I think after a while,
Speaker 1: the audience would have been a bit like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: she's getting out of another opportunity of talking about how,
Speaker 1: you know, how flawed she is. And I think that moment,
Speaker 1: you know, to film as well was hugely cathartic. It
Speaker 1: was a scene that I was really really nervous to shoot,
Speaker 1: partly because we all know what those scenes look like
Speaker 1: when we watch movies. We know that it is a
Speaker 1: sensitive scene. It's a sensitive topic. And also just in
Speaker 1: all honesty, like the reason why I am I get
Speaker 1: scared about playing characters that I play is because I
Speaker 1: love the ugliness in humans and I love the rawness
Speaker 1: of the characters that I get to play. And that
Speaker 1: scene specifically is something that has to be done perfectly,
Speaker 1: Like we have to nail it, and it has to
Speaker 1: be achieved because you don't know who's going to be
Speaker 1: watching this movie, and you don't know who it's going
Speaker 1: to affect, who it's going to help, who it's going
Speaker 1: to hurt, And a scene like that, both Morgan Morgan's
Speaker 1: Share and My Share really needs to be like delicately
Speaker 1: held and delicately directed. And also we cannot have to
Speaker 1: nate it. You can't get scenes like that wrong's it's
Speaker 1: it's so well said. And also I feel like someone
Speaker 1: once said to me, the greatest scenes of all times
Speaker 1: and movies that you love, whether it be Brea Endo
Speaker 1: or you know, De Niro and Raging Bull, just insert
Speaker 1: your favorite scene there. That was just like a regular Tuesday,
Speaker 1: you know, and the actor got up and went to
Speaker 1: their trailer and went to hair and makeup, and they're like,
Speaker 1: it's time to do that scene. You know, I could
Speaker 1: have been a contender. I think that's my line. And
Speaker 1: you know, and I feel that way with with with
Speaker 1: Florence and Morgan's performances in this movie, because there's some
Speaker 1: scenes that you would just drop your jaw, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm someone who loves actors. This I've dedicated my
Speaker 1: life to not just being an actor, but just loving
Speaker 1: great actors. I go to the theater a ton as
Speaker 1: you listeners know, I love it. And so those scenes,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's several scenes in this movie where you're
Speaker 1: just watching some of the finest acting and I just think,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, as a director, you're so nervous, like, okay,
Speaker 1: today is a scene that's super intense, and um, you know,
Speaker 1: is Morgan in the right headspace? Is Florence in the
Speaker 1: right headspace? How what was their morning? Like, you know,
Speaker 1: was the coffee shit? And they're in a bad mood
Speaker 1: like you you just you know, it's a director, you're
Speaker 1: so nervous, you know, as an actor, more nervous, you know,
Speaker 1: of hard scenes. But it's funny. I was in a movie.
Speaker 1: One of my first movies was a movie called Broken
Speaker 1: Hearts Club and Greg Berlanti, who's now become one of
Speaker 1: the biggest show runners in town, but it was his
Speaker 1: first directing thing, and he always say, you have a
Speaker 1: big scene today. You ready for your big scene today,
Speaker 1: And it was like, no, I would not on the
Speaker 1: day he would, Oh god. But anyway, my memory of
Speaker 1: it is, I'm sorry I did that because I remember
Speaker 1: Greg being like and I'd be like, Greig, you're building
Speaker 1: it up so much, and now I'm now I'm scared.
Speaker 1: But um, but Florence, you you have you do deliver
Speaker 1: every single time, and it's just such a joy to
Speaker 1: to watch it happen because you know, for you know,
Speaker 1: some actors need to stay in character, and there's no
Speaker 1: there's no right way or wrong way to accomplish this
Speaker 1: very hard task of being vulner on que go. Some actors,
Speaker 1: as we all know, need to need to stay in
Speaker 1: that for the day or stay in it for the
Speaker 1: length of the movie. And you know, both Florence and
Speaker 1: Natalie Portman are are wonderful actor says that I've had
Speaker 1: a chance to work with who both can magically. I mean,
Speaker 1: I want you to speak to this because it's your process,
Speaker 1: but Florence also can do something that's such an incredible
Speaker 1: moment and then kind of take a breath and like
Speaker 1: you know, turn around and talk to the dolly grip
Speaker 1: about like you know, you know, how is his dinner
Speaker 1: last night? And what he ate? You know? And how
Speaker 1: do you how do you want to know? But how
Speaker 1: do you I guess for me, as someone who can't
Speaker 1: necessarily be that easy with it, how do you do that?
Speaker 1: I was actually talking about this in an interview esday someone,
Speaker 1: a woman asked me a similar question, and I hadn't
Speaker 1: really put that much thought into it, but I think
Speaker 1: I really love living in the adrenaline of a moment
Speaker 1: and a scene, and I really love that man magic
Speaker 1: energy that happens between the actor and myself in front
Speaker 1: of a camera right then and there. And part of
Speaker 1: the thrillers that I get to live in it for
Speaker 1: two or three minutes or a minute and a half,
Speaker 1: and then it's almost like wrestling, and then you go, okay, break, break,
Speaker 1: and then I kind of have to get out of it,
Speaker 1: just almost so that I can jump in it in
Speaker 1: the same excited and thrilling and energizing way as the
Speaker 1: last time, unless, of course, it's like a major moment
Speaker 1: where I need to go over something physically. I think
Speaker 1: I'm a very physical actor, Like I need to know
Speaker 1: how I'm going to react to something. So for example,
Speaker 1: in the wrestling scene with Molly and I like figuring
Speaker 1: out how I'm going to turn an ache or move
Speaker 1: like that's really important to me and I'll definitely prep
Speaker 1: over that. But when it's when it's about catching that
Speaker 1: right moment, I love living in the adrenaline of that
Speaker 1: moment for that second for that scene and then drop
Speaker 1: like and come back to it when I can do
Speaker 1: it again. It's a very it's a very very special skill.
Speaker 1: I as an actor find that I can't really do
Speaker 1: that as well the times where I have had to
Speaker 1: do major emotional scenes. For in Garden State, for example,
Speaker 1: it ended up I ended up making it about the
Speaker 1: single tier and the tub and she collects it with
Speaker 1: the cup, which ended up being great. But what I
Speaker 1: had first initially written it as was that he has
Speaker 1: a full emotional breakdown, and that happened in the Wide
Speaker 1: Master shot. I was so present, Natalie was so good.
Speaker 1: We had no crew in there except the two cameramen
Speaker 1: and a boom mic, and I and I had this
Speaker 1: really emotional release and then then I then I the
Speaker 1: director moved the camera in tight to cover it, and
Speaker 1: I just couldn't find it again. And so I said
Speaker 1: to myself, as a young director, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: if that's not happening, then that's not the scene, because
Speaker 1: I have a very big pet peeve and I'm going
Speaker 1: to hand it on to you audience. Now you will
Speaker 1: see it and it'll bother you too. Actors who are
Speaker 1: crying with their voice but there's no tears coming out
Speaker 1: of their eyes, crocodile tears. I really like you. And
Speaker 1: it's a big scene and you're like, oh, then they
Speaker 1: should have just pivoted and the character. If the actor
Speaker 1: isn't feeling it or it's not happening, then you need
Speaker 1: to pivot. And that character's not crying. But as an actor,
Speaker 1: I've always loved that about you, And I mean you
Speaker 1: told me that anecdote years before we work together, and
Speaker 1: I've always loved that because usually in script, especially as
Speaker 1: a young actress, you'd always get this scene in even
Speaker 1: in audition scenes where like she'd be saying something and
Speaker 1: then the direction would be like and then a tear
Speaker 1: falls down her face, and you're like, I don't know
Speaker 1: people that actually cry openly. I don't. I always hide
Speaker 1: my face or I go in a bathroom, Like, you
Speaker 1: don't see people usually just crying all the time. It
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. It just happens in movies. And I loved
Speaker 1: when you kind of release that pressure of it. It's like,
Speaker 1: if it doesn't happen, it's not supposed to happen. You
Speaker 1: even tell me to take it out of the script. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did, which I thought was really cool because she
Speaker 1: said because there were there were moments in my screenplay
Speaker 1: where it would say, you know Ali's eyes well, and
Speaker 1: she goes, would you mind just taking all of that
Speaker 1: out because I need to feel it naturally. If it
Speaker 1: happens on the day, it'll happen on the day. Um.
Speaker 1: But I when I see it written, it makes me uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: like it's and I totally I totally think that's why
Speaker 1: it feels like you then have to take a box
Speaker 1: with it. It's like you then I think when when
Speaker 1: the when I mean obviously. For example, if there's like
Speaker 1: a direction in a script where it's like gunshots go off,
Speaker 1: everybody's terrified, Like, of course that makes sense, but no,
Speaker 1: I know, and I'm saying, but with with emotion, it's
Speaker 1: like it's it's completely depend on if a if the
Speaker 1: script gets you there be if if it's making sense
Speaker 1: with you and the other actor, And I just I've
Speaker 1: always loved that about you just taking the pressure off.
Speaker 1: I think it's a very kind thing to do as
Speaker 1: a director. Well, thank you. I was just going to ask,
Speaker 1: do you think it makes the writing stronger too, because
Speaker 1: you can cue like oh and then they cry. Okay,
Speaker 1: so now we know that the character is sad versus
Speaker 1: you had to construct the dialogue in such a way
Speaker 1: that it was emoting to both of the actor performing. Honest, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if someone says and then they cry, I
Speaker 1: think that's quite lazy. It's like, well, why are they
Speaker 1: just crying? Well, I would say that I think that's
Speaker 1: a really well said jewel because I find as an
Speaker 1: actor there are moments where I'm just reading the page
Speaker 1: and my eyes will well and I'm like, wow, that's
Speaker 1: been written in such a way that I'm naturally going
Speaker 1: to feel that. But but I just think you know,
Speaker 1: and it's if you're a young filmmaker or an actor
Speaker 1: listening to this. My my two cents after making a
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff is you know, if you're if, if
Speaker 1: you want if, if you expect the actor to cry
Speaker 1: or have a moment, it has to come naturally. And
Speaker 1: then if it's not happening on the day, by all means,
Speaker 1: do not have the person make crying noises and have
Speaker 1: no tears in their eyes, because that, to me is
Speaker 1: so false. And you will now I'm sorry, I've been
Speaker 1: ruin a lot of movies for you. You will see
Speaker 1: it all over the place. Now you'd be like, but
Speaker 1: why are their eyes not teary? Like? Yeah, Now, if
Speaker 1: you absolutely, if it is script dependent that the persons
Speaker 1: eyes are, well, there's this thing. There's a cheat way
Speaker 1: where you can blow um um. It's like a menthal
Speaker 1: thing that and it makes your eyes cry. But you
Speaker 1: have to shoot and then you have to get that,
Speaker 1: you have to say action and then the tear comes out.
Speaker 1: You don't have any time. Yeah, it's not like you
Speaker 1: can do a two minute scene and then it well yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen. And then also nowadays, it's true, you'll
Speaker 1: see them now too. The the the age of CGI
Speaker 1: tears has a role, I know. But I gotta say
Speaker 1: one thing about CGI tears that is is that is
Speaker 1: good and this sty know there is one thing probably
Speaker 1: you should not. You should not use CGI t uh
Speaker 1: as totally fake. But there are moments when you are
Speaker 1: cutting a piece where someone is crying with continuity and
Speaker 1: the most amazing take is natural and real, and then
Speaker 1: you need to cut to the side angle for whatever
Speaker 1: reason and there's no tiers. You're fucked unless you have
Speaker 1: this new invention. So then it is fine to match No, no,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with a CGI tier if it is matching
Speaker 1: continuity for a actual emotion. That's my personal take, isn't it.
Speaker 1: But I can tell you right now there is there.
Speaker 1: We had no budget for cgo. Can we go back
Speaker 1: a little bit. I know you've rehashed your career before,
Speaker 1: but just for our audience who might not know, I
Speaker 1: just I just think your story is so incredible and
Speaker 1: I know you've spoken about it before, but just for
Speaker 1: our audience who might not know it, will you talk
Speaker 1: about how you were discovered you were, you were in
Speaker 1: school and they were gonna make a movie with Maizie Williams.
Speaker 1: So I was definitely at school. I was sixteen, sixteen,
Speaker 1: seventeen years old and it was just finishing, I think
Speaker 1: my second to last year of school, and everybody around
Speaker 1: town was talking about this tape. Have you done this tape?
Speaker 1: Have you done this tape? And essentially the BBC we're
Speaker 1: making a movie called The Falling, directed by Carol Morley,
Speaker 1: starring Mazie Williams, and they needed to fill a school's
Speaker 1: worth of girls. They needed to find faces that could
Speaker 1: be possibly from nineteen sixty nine, just like different interesting,
Speaker 1: normal faces. You didn't need to be anything special other
Speaker 1: than maybe you fit the look of a girl being
Speaker 1: at this school during this era. And they basically just
Speaker 1: needed to find as many girls as possible, some just
Speaker 1: to be essays background and some to be extras and
Speaker 1: some to be characters. But they were just trying to
Speaker 1: find new talent. They didn't want anybody that was recognizable.
Speaker 1: And honestly, it was like two months of everybody saying
Speaker 1: I've done the tape. I heard its first come, first serve,
Speaker 1: and every school from London to Oxford was talking about
Speaker 1: this tape, this tape, and it was you just have
Speaker 1: to do him one minute tape and you have to
Speaker 1: say who you are, what your name is, what you're
Speaker 1: good at, what school you're at, where you are, and
Speaker 1: that's it. You had it in that tape and if
Speaker 1: you didn't hear anything back, you didn't hear anything back.
Speaker 1: And my brother had been in the industry for a
Speaker 1: fair few years prior to this, and I'd been watching
Speaker 1: his you know, entrance into the industry and just how
Speaker 1: hard it was and how cutthroat it was, and how
Speaker 1: you'd do hundreds of tapes every two weeks and no
Speaker 1: one would ever get back to you. All they might
Speaker 1: do and you have to be there at Friday at
Speaker 1: nine am to do this you know, ten minute audition
Speaker 1: and then they also might not tell you again, just
Speaker 1: like the brutal reality of what it is to be
Speaker 1: a young actor or just a new actor in the industry.
Speaker 1: And my mum had very much helped him out of
Speaker 1: figuring that out as well. And I remember when this
Speaker 1: tape was going around, I was like, absolutely not, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing this tape, Like I know, I know how
Speaker 1: hard it is because I can see how hard it
Speaker 1: is from my brother, and there's no way in hell
Speaker 1: that anyone is going to be giving one of these
Speaker 1: random one of us random girls a role in this movie.
Speaker 1: And I remember the deadline was on Saturday and I
Speaker 1: got back home from school. My mom was like, have
Speaker 1: you done the tape? I literally rolled my eyes and
Speaker 1: I was like, you're kidding, you know about this tape? No,
Speaker 1: I haven't on the tape. What do you mean? She
Speaker 1: was like, what do you mean you haven't done the tape?
Speaker 1: I was like, well, mom, you know better than anyone. Like,
Speaker 1: why the hell am I doing this leaf audition? I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get it. No one's gonna get it.
Speaker 1: It's going to go to someone famous. Why are we
Speaker 1: doing this? This is ridiculous? And she was like no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, I know you're not going to get it,
Speaker 1: but why don't we just give it a go because
Speaker 1: this is something that you want to do and maybe
Speaker 1: we can just start practicing, you know, being on camera
Speaker 1: and talking to camera and just start figuring it out,
Speaker 1: because at some point we're gonna have to figure it out.
Speaker 1: And I was like begrudgingly going like oh, fine, okay,
Speaker 1: And I had like greasy hair and a sweaty stars
Speaker 1: and I was so not okay to do a tape.
Speaker 1: And I handed in this tape and I said it
Speaker 1: and I even made a mistake in it. I forgot
Speaker 1: how old I was, and my mum shouts from off camera,
Speaker 1: going how old, and I go. And then on Monday,
Speaker 1: I got an email from Shaheen Bay Casting, who cast
Speaker 1: the movie, and she said that Carol Morley wanted to
Speaker 1: meet me in two weeks time. Here are the sides
Speaker 1: you get a meeting with a director. And I was
Speaker 1: like absolutely dumb foundered because this is not what I've
Speaker 1: been telling everybody at school. Anyway, I went in and
Speaker 1: then after that it was like six months of re
Speaker 1: auditions and cameras, detests and all of this stuff, and
Speaker 1: it was mind blowing to me. I'd never done any
Speaker 1: of this before, and I'd never gone to an audition before.
Speaker 1: And when I went to my audition, I remember I
Speaker 1: was wearing this little gray crop top, like like a
Speaker 1: little like turtleneck gray crop top, and by the time
Speaker 1: I went into the room, my sweatpatches were down below
Speaker 1: my boobs and I was just like, I was so terrified,
Speaker 1: and I'd been I'd caught a train with my mum
Speaker 1: to which was really big, and it's like just all
Speaker 1: the scary stuff that you know, as a seventeen year
Speaker 1: old you're not usually doing job auditions or were you
Speaker 1: were excited at me. I was so excited, but it
Speaker 1: was just I just was like I was so nervous
Speaker 1: that because of my um, because of not knowing how
Speaker 1: to do it, that they were going to catch me out.
Speaker 1: And I did my first audition and I remember literally
Speaker 1: like the day later, I got another email saying Carol
Speaker 1: Moore would like to see you again. And then each
Speaker 1: time it was like Okay, wow, get again in the
Speaker 1: mode of this learning all my life, you know, it
Speaker 1: was just it was nuts, absolutely nuts. And then I
Speaker 1: didn't find out until end of September. So I handed
Speaker 1: in the tape in June maybe May, and I didn't
Speaker 1: find out until September. It was a whole summer of
Speaker 1: like coming in and then I got the movie and
Speaker 1: I got the supporting role and it was playing I
Speaker 1: was playing opposite Maizie Williams, and it was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: I'm in a movie and I'm missing two months of
Speaker 1: school and this is so cool. And I lived in
Speaker 1: a house with all these beautiful young actors happenings happening.
Speaker 1: Mazie Williams was and it is like the topest name
Speaker 1: that anyone knows of, and we were just living in
Speaker 1: a house together, and it was just quite possibly one
Speaker 1: of the most amazing eye opening Oh my god, Yes,
Speaker 1: this is exactly what I want to do. Thank God.
Speaker 1: This has been my daydream since I was like six,
Speaker 1: And it was just so cool to think that the
Speaker 1: thing that I had been dreaming of doing was actually
Speaker 1: really fun and I really loved it. And I remember
Speaker 1: being on set the same thing as now, asking you
Speaker 1: know what a prop master is and what they had
Speaker 1: for dinner? And can I help you out? And can
Speaker 1: I help clean things? And asking, but I just constantly
Speaker 1: asking questions. What's a boom? What's a boom operator? Like
Speaker 1: all of these, all of these fascinating things. I would
Speaker 1: go to go back home and I'd be so excited
Speaker 1: and high from the day that I wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to sleep. And I remember my alarm would go off
Speaker 1: at three thirty or four and I'd leap out of
Speaker 1: bed just out of excitement. And then when we completed
Speaker 1: the movie, I ended up my actually, big, very very
Speaker 1: kindly knew that she wanted to get me an agent,
Speaker 1: and she wanted to help me get an agent, and
Speaker 1: so she set up these meetings, and I had an agent.
Speaker 1: And the whole plan usually was that I was going
Speaker 1: to go to drama school and then after that i'd
Speaker 1: probably get an agent or trying it an agent. But
Speaker 1: now I had this agent, so it was like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: all I need to do now is finished school, which
Speaker 1: I did not want to do. My mom was like, babe,
Speaker 1: just finish it. I don't care what you get. Just
Speaker 1: finish it. Go to school, get it done, and then
Speaker 1: we can crack on with it. And so that's what happened.
Speaker 1: So in the last few months of school, I'd be
Speaker 1: going to do auditions on the weekends. We're going to
Speaker 1: do this with that and then and you never did
Speaker 1: go to dramas. I never went to drama school. I
Speaker 1: had my agent, and I got doing auditions, and then
Speaker 1: I obviously had to realize that you don't ever get
Speaker 1: the first job your audition for, and then I had
Speaker 1: to figure out how to actually do audition. You had
Speaker 1: the ultimate case of well, it's not luck because we've
Speaker 1: seen what's become of your career. But you did have
Speaker 1: a case of like getting the first thing you're well.
Speaker 1: But I mean when when the young actors asked me like, oh,
Speaker 1: how did you get into the industry, I go, do
Speaker 1: not listen to me at all? Like my I think
Speaker 1: every way into the industry is a fluke and every
Speaker 1: way in is like hard work no matter how which
Speaker 1: way comes, because ultimately, even if you get an easy
Speaker 1: way in, it's what you do with when you have
Speaker 1: the microphone, and it's what you do with when you
Speaker 1: have the stage, and it's like if if, if you're shit,
Speaker 1: it's not going to continue. And I think for me,
Speaker 1: I had to be I was at the right place
Speaker 1: at the right time, right age with the director that
Speaker 1: wanted to find someone that was new and had a
Speaker 1: new face. And I had a casting team that just
Speaker 1: actually wanted to support me and get me an agent,
Speaker 1: and she he and then cast me in Fighting My Family.
Speaker 1: She cast me and Lady Macbeth like all these movies
Speaker 1: that really made my career. Yeah, but also I mean
Speaker 1: she discovered that you had a natural I knew what
Speaker 1: to do when I had the mic Yeah. Yeah, Now
Speaker 1: how long after was Lady Macbeth. Lady Macbeth was two
Speaker 1: years later, so I did the Falling when I was seventeen,
Speaker 1: finished school, turned eighteen, and then I had just a
Speaker 1: year of doing all additions and trying to figure out
Speaker 1: if I can do this, if I'm good at it,
Speaker 1: And then I did a pilot in the first month
Speaker 1: or two and I turned nineteen. That didn't go, and
Speaker 1: then pretty much like two months later, I started choosing
Speaker 1: Lady Macbeth, which, okay, so for those of you whom
Speaker 1: I'm going to interrupt, you just say, for those who
Speaker 1: haven't seen Lady Macbeth, you really need to see this movie.
Speaker 1: It is really truly The following was Florence's first job,
Speaker 1: and but Lady McBeth is what launched her on to
Speaker 1: everyone's radar, and it was an incredible film. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have anything to do with this Shakespeare's Macbeth, although the
Speaker 1: character is. The title is probably a nod to behaviors
Speaker 1: of the character dys It's a play, okay, so in
Speaker 1: play it's an opera and a play, and it was
Speaker 1: adapted to a very low budget independent film. I think
Speaker 1: it takes almost place. I think it takes place almost
Speaker 1: entirely in one house, one house and a few mores,
Speaker 1: and we shot it in like two and a bit
Speaker 1: weeks for a quarter of a million. Yeah, so it
Speaker 1: was it cost a quarter million dollars to make, which,
Speaker 1: if you don't know, movie budgeting is minuscule and two
Speaker 1: weeks time and it's just an ultimate example. I'm not
Speaker 1: just saying this because Florence is here. It is just
Speaker 1: the ultimate example if if the writing is brilliant and
Speaker 1: the acting is brilliant, you can have people on the
Speaker 1: edge of your sheet and have a movie take place
Speaker 1: in one house and every single person who loves actors
Speaker 1: and acting who saw that movie said, who the hell
Speaker 1: is this person? Because it was an incredible, incredible performance
Speaker 1: and you were nominated for a Bathta I believe, or
Speaker 1: did you win a Bafta? I want a Biffer And
Speaker 1: I was nominated for a Bafta. Yeah at how old? Well?
Speaker 1: I did the movie when I was nineteen, So there
Speaker 1: you go. That's pretty incredible. Thank you. I highly highly
Speaker 1: recommend that film. And my scene pawn is his Naomi Aki. Yeah,
Speaker 1: wonderful Naomi Aki and Cosmo Jarvis who are doing wonderful
Speaker 1: work and every time I see them at events. It's
Speaker 1: like seeing like your sibling from when you were younger
Speaker 1: and before you got adopted. It was like, it's truly like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, there you are from from the past. Um.
Speaker 1: And Naomi is doing incredible work and she's so unbelievably
Speaker 1: talented and beautiful, and it's been so wonderful watching her
Speaker 1: rise after playing Whitney m Did you see it? Um? No,
Speaker 1: I didn't see the film, but I know that she's
Speaker 1: an incredible actress because she's incredible in the movie. And um,
Speaker 1: and I've I've watched I think some other things with her. UM,
Speaker 1: So I don't um. And then, of course Midsommer. So
Speaker 1: many people love that movie. Yeah, if you're weird, then
Speaker 1: you love it. I think too. There some people come
Speaker 1: up to me and they're like, oh my god, Midsummer
Speaker 1: is my favorite movie ever. I watched it. I watch
Speaker 1: it all the time, and I'm like, you're really would
Speaker 1: I accept it? I cheer every time. Yeah. And every
Speaker 1: time I watched with a guy, they're like, what are
Speaker 1: you doing? I'm like, it's just so beauty. Chose yourself,
Speaker 1: but it's so lovely. I love This movie has spawned
Speaker 1: more fan art than any other film I've ever seen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he used to collect it. He used to collect the
Speaker 1: fan and put them on a shelf. It was very cute. Well,
Speaker 1: I there's so much fan art for Midsommart that I
Speaker 1: would if Florence would look at some of it. But
Speaker 1: I would go to deep dive because I just thought
Speaker 1: it was I mean, there's so much talent. You know,
Speaker 1: there's sculptures of her. There's actually actually would get things made,
Speaker 1: like I know, I didn't I didn't commission them. I
Speaker 1: would like find them and be like, how could Florence
Speaker 1: not own this? She needs And I would DM the
Speaker 1: artist and be like, are you selling this? Because I
Speaker 1: know Florence Pew and she should own it. And the
Speaker 1: person would be like, Florence is gonna own it? And
Speaker 1: I know no one. I'd be like, I am not
Speaker 1: taking it, your artist, beautiful. You name the price, and
Speaker 1: I always obviously paid and then paid them, probably more
Speaker 1: than they were asking. But there were a few things.
Speaker 1: There were just you got me airings downy airings. Well,
Speaker 1: there there was a pin, there were pins. Got the pin,
Speaker 1: and I got the little sculpture. There's a sculpture. You
Speaker 1: can go on Etsy and just go down on Midsummer
Speaker 1: Art wormhole, the amazing posters from all around the world.
Speaker 1: Didn't you give me the Japanese? Yes, there's a Japanese don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was their official poster or
Speaker 1: if it was a special commission, but um, it was gorgeous.
Speaker 1: You can google image it if you're curious. And I
Speaker 1: and I and I hunted that down and bought that
Speaker 1: for you. Um, I just think that's so cool. I
Speaker 1: geek out like Florence, like with the with the with
Speaker 1: the Black Widow toys. She's not nearly as interested as
Speaker 1: I am, Like, am I look at it? I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a little me. That's no. I remember pulling out
Speaker 1: the Lego figurine. Now, first of all, Legos were my
Speaker 1: favorite thing as a child, and I still love them
Speaker 1: as an adult. Obviously, Um, Donald and I. That's another
Speaker 1: thing Donald and I sharing common is our love of Legos.
Speaker 1: But when the Black Widow, when the Black Widow Legos
Speaker 1: set out set came out, I bought it and I
Speaker 1: was running to Florence like, you're a fucking Lego figure
Speaker 1: And She's like, that's so cool, that's so cool. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're not excited enough, but I got to see you excited,
Speaker 1: which was it's just as good. Oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: listen on the Life Goals list. Uh. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: honored to be a Funko pop but I really would
Speaker 1: love to be a Lego figure that Lego Yeah, harrigan.
Speaker 1: I don't know why Lego has not made the freck
Speaker 1: from Obi one set yet. What's going on, guys? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But um, so talk a little bit about black Widdow because,
Speaker 1: as you know, um, Joelle and Donald in particular are
Speaker 1: Marvel mega fans. Well, what do you want to know? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have the script for Thunderbirds. You want us to
Speaker 1: read it? It's what's it called? Oh? I'm sorry, Come on, Joel,
Speaker 1: would you like us to perform the Thunderbolt screenplay for you?
Speaker 1: Right a? Please? Oh my gosh. Well, I'm giving you
Speaker 1: a moment to ask any of your Marvel questions on
Speaker 1: behalf of you and Donald's. She obviously can't say much,
Speaker 1: but yes, yes, okay. Do you want to know who's
Speaker 1: in Thunderbolts? Are we allowed to say? I don't even
Speaker 1: know who's in Thunderbolts. I find out online. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, that's how secret. Well this isn't a secret
Speaker 1: because I'll tell you stuff that has been on the
Speaker 1: interweb that Harrison Ford, isn't it? Yes, you tell me that.
Speaker 1: Actually that's my friend. Um, I believe what is that
Speaker 1: amazing actress from The Bear? Yes, she's in it? Oh? Yes,
Speaker 1: what's her name? I owe a debris. She's incredible, so funny.
Speaker 1: I did squeal when I read that. I read that
Speaker 1: on the interweb. She's in it. I'm going to be
Speaker 1: her best friend, even if, even if I don't know
Speaker 1: how I'm going to make that happen. I think that
Speaker 1: you like tax Florence because we need to see the
Speaker 1: drinking adventures of you. And yeah, yeah she um man,
Speaker 1: I love the Bear and she's just fantastic in it.
Speaker 1: Um I think um Sebastian stand and um, I believe
Speaker 1: why it Russell is in it? Yeah, I mean that's it.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's on the interwebs. Is Stephen this die? Thanks? Uh?
Speaker 1: And I bet you Julie's dry fist is probably in it.
Speaker 1: I I guys, this is tricky stuff. Yeah, we don't
Speaker 1: want to get we don't. We don't want to but
Speaker 1: I can't talk about the one that I have already
Speaker 1: done and the series that I was already done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so on what was that like? I mean, just for
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of our audience does love Marvel,
Speaker 1: and um so tell us just you know, I know
Speaker 1: you've spoken about it a lot, but but you know,
Speaker 1: what's it like to step into a movie that gargantuan?
Speaker 1: I mean the movie. I remember watching that movie and
Speaker 1: being like, I just can't fathom the scale of this thing.
Speaker 1: When you guys are when you win that that sequence
Speaker 1: for example, of the skydiving with Scarlet and and I mean,
Speaker 1: how does the fun did he? Was that even done? Know?
Speaker 1: I mean I do know? So yeah, I mean saying
Speaker 1: Yester project like that is all for the right reasons
Speaker 1: terrifying because for me, it's a world that means so
Speaker 1: much to so many and so many people know my
Speaker 1: character better than I'll ever know it, and i'd lain
Speaker 1: I had never been played before. It's also you know,
Speaker 1: she's associated with Black Widow, with Scarlett's character who also
Speaker 1: everybody has such a sensitive and tough time discussing her
Speaker 1: character because of how how it all ended, and everybody's
Speaker 1: very sad about that. And and so yeah, saying getting
Speaker 1: involved with this film was like, oh my god, again
Speaker 1: and again the same thing of like, I've got to
Speaker 1: get this really, really right, because I don't want to
Speaker 1: offend people, and I don't want people to be upset,
Speaker 1: and I don't want people to think that it should
Speaker 1: have been played by someone else Like that, to me
Speaker 1: was the biggest fear. But just the nature of what
Speaker 1: the film was was discussing and dissecting and tackling and
Speaker 1: everything to do with its storyline, female subjugation, trafficking like
Speaker 1: it was just I couldn't believe that Marvel were making
Speaker 1: a movie like that and being very openly We were
Speaker 1: openly discussing all of those in the script amongst our characters,
Speaker 1: and Scarlett obviously was very much involved in the movie
Speaker 1: and producer and actor in it, and then we had
Speaker 1: Kate Shortland, who was just a fantastic director. It just
Speaker 1: truly felt like one of those projects that wasn't just
Speaker 1: doing a superhero movie. It was like we are we
Speaker 1: are discussing a lot, and we are challenging a lot,
Speaker 1: and it was terrifying stepping into it. But I'm so
Speaker 1: so glad that I did. Also just the family that
Speaker 1: I got from it, family of fans, family of all
Speaker 1: the people at MCU. Did Scarlett share anything with you?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, I mean something that you that you're
Speaker 1: willing to share. But did she knew that you were
Speaker 1: going to be stepping into these enormous shoes, obviously not
Speaker 1: taking over her care, but entering the Marvel universe in
Speaker 1: a giant way? Did she did? She? Did she guide
Speaker 1: you in any way? The best thing that I learned
Speaker 1: from her, and it was never ever. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure that there were specific things that she told me,
Speaker 1: but I think the coolest thing about watching a woman
Speaker 1: that has been in the industry ever since she was
Speaker 1: a child and also in the MCUM for a decade,
Speaker 1: was just like her her consistency of needing to have
Speaker 1: fun and needing to enjoy the whole process, because otherwise
Speaker 1: I think you could possibly get too bogged down with
Speaker 1: it and it become too serious and it become too daunting.
Speaker 1: But I think for me it was just really when
Speaker 1: I stepped into the role, I was so stressed, and
Speaker 1: I was so eager to be perfect, and eager to
Speaker 1: train really, really hard and to learn how to do
Speaker 1: the in the middle of the air flip role with
Speaker 1: my dagger out, and I really wanted to do and
Speaker 1: try and do all of my stunts and respect the
Speaker 1: craft and respect the stunties and give it my shot.
Speaker 1: And I just remember her from the very beginning being like,
Speaker 1: you've got to enjoy it. You've you've got to let
Speaker 1: the professionals do the things that they are professional for.
Speaker 1: So like, no, you're not going to be jumping out
Speaker 1: of a building and be just to enjoy the process.
Speaker 1: Don't don't don't let it eat you, don't be don't
Speaker 1: be nervous about about the world that you're stepping into,
Speaker 1: and know that these these fans will love you like that.
Speaker 1: That's that's why it's so wonderful. I remember we went
Speaker 1: to Comic Con and it was so terrified because we'd
Speaker 1: be walking around with masks on or going around with
Speaker 1: cars and just the crowds of people that were there,
Speaker 1: and we'd only just kind of release the information that
Speaker 1: we were shooting and that it was me, and I
Speaker 1: remember being so nervous that people weren't going to like
Speaker 1: it or like me or want me to be the role.
Speaker 1: And I remember Scarlett and I would just hold hands
Speaker 1: behind the stage before we went out, and I was
Speaker 1: just holding her hand and we were watching our trailer
Speaker 1: go and it was nice to see that she was
Speaker 1: nervous too. That was like quite cool. And then going
Speaker 1: out and just this sea of people that I couldn't
Speaker 1: see the back wall of the warehouse. I could not
Speaker 1: talk it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I could not see the
Speaker 1: back wall. And it was just unbelievable. The instant adoration
Speaker 1: that all these people had for our movie that hadn't
Speaker 1: even come out yet and we only showed them a
Speaker 1: small trailer was like truly. I mean, it's because of
Speaker 1: that love and that support that makes doing those massive
Speaker 1: movies I suppose possible. But shooting it was nuts. We
Speaker 1: shot in so many different countries. And by the way,
Speaker 1: you you loved being with the stunt I loved it,
Speaker 1: and they loved you. And you really trained hard. And
Speaker 1: even though your your stunt double did incredible work for
Speaker 1: you, you you did, Taylor, Yeah, you believe you did do
Speaker 1: a couple of things. You did run, you did run
Speaker 1: down that wall, but I did. I also loved doing
Speaker 1: It's so much fun and hanging out with stunties is
Speaker 1: the coolest because, like the English call them stunties. That's fun,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. We need to upgrade our language here in
Speaker 1: the stunts better. And you know Flord's I can tell
Speaker 1: you that I think like you and Jonathan Majors feel
Speaker 1: like the feature of Marvel. I think these are the
Speaker 1: two characters that people have really globbed onto the most
Speaker 1: as we moved from like phase four to phase five,
Speaker 1: and we're seeing it like grow and everything. I know
Speaker 1: there's this like especially because I think villains are sort
Speaker 1: of the new way for Marvel. Like we've had all
Speaker 1: the iconic heroes and they're very shiny vestments and everything.
Speaker 1: It's fun to get some of it, like when you
Speaker 1: did Hawkeye. Like watching you with Haley was so much fun.
Speaker 1: I was like, this the level of like cool badass
Speaker 1: girls who feel very grounded. You know. I think there's
Speaker 1: something about specifically those two characters. Those two characters specifically
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, hey, yes, we're like women and it's
Speaker 1: cool that we're here, but that has almost nothing to
Speaker 1: do with our story. It's we're not here because we're women.
Speaker 1: We're not here to try to like prove anything. We're
Speaker 1: just badasses independently of anything else. And that's been really
Speaker 1: fun to watch. I hope we get more of the
Speaker 1: two of you. Oh well, that was so fun to do.
Speaker 1: And I had such a small stint of shooting on
Speaker 1: that show. I mean they were going on for months
Speaker 1: and I just popped in and did some la. It
Speaker 1: was a very funny Florence story. Um. So we she
Speaker 1: shot Hawkeye um and that sequence at the Rockefeller Center
Speaker 1: ice rink in Atlanta on a sound stage where they
Speaker 1: had recreated the giant thing. And she shot that whole
Speaker 1: sequence on a stage in Atlanta. They made the whole
Speaker 1: thing to scale. Well not not all of thirty Rock,
Speaker 1: but no, but the rink they built thirty Rockefeller Center. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the rink and the walls would get the blue walls,
Speaker 1: you know, all around. It was enormous. But anyway, so,
Speaker 1: but she had never been to the real ice rink
Speaker 1: at thirty Rock. And and when we wrapped was when
Speaker 1: we wrapped a good person. Yeah, we wrapped a good person.
Speaker 1: And it came to you, and Florence was like, I
Speaker 1: really want to go to the ice rink because I
Speaker 1: into it on the stage talent you we were, we
Speaker 1: were here with our friends justin carry and before we'd
Speaker 1: all go back to our corners of the world. We
Speaker 1: were like, okay, well, let's have a few Christmasy days.
Speaker 1: Let's go to a Christmas market. Let's go and have
Speaker 1: a hot chocolate. And Zach was like, I know what
Speaker 1: we can do. And Zach and Carry booked us slots
Speaker 1: to go ice skating. Carry did. But it was like
Speaker 1: an exciting thing that we all did. And we were
Speaker 1: walking up and I'd kind of forgotten about it, and
Speaker 1: as we were walking it was so Christmasy and We're
Speaker 1: all holding hands and it was just like so sweet.
Speaker 1: And then as we came up to the ice skating rink,
Speaker 1: I was like, before we put on our ice skates
Speaker 1: and I go, guys, this is where I shot my
Speaker 1: action scene with Jerry Runner and everything like everything was
Speaker 1: to scale. I was like, yeah, so this is where
Speaker 1: the star came down on the ice and I kicked
Speaker 1: him in the face. And even the fountain. I was like,
Speaker 1: I have a picture of me by the fountain. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She was like looking around the real dirty rock. She's like,
Speaker 1: I've been here, but in Atlanta. Movie making well with
Speaker 1: our last few minutes, Um, let's just circle back to
Speaker 1: our movie A Good Person, Um, which is coming out
Speaker 1: this Friday in theaters. Um, we hope. I hope, Florence,
Speaker 1: and I hope that you go and check it out
Speaker 1: in movie theaters. Oh you'll love it. I really think
Speaker 1: you will, and I will hopefully affect you in all
Speaker 1: the ways that you want it to. Um, I do think.
Speaker 1: My my just sales pitch for seeing in the theater
Speaker 1: is there is something really magical I believe in sharing
Speaker 1: what this movie is about in a room full of people. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, we've been traveling the country. I've been, I've
Speaker 1: just been on a major tour, and I'm watching it
Speaker 1: with audiences, and there's just something magical about when it's
Speaker 1: pin drop silent, of course, emotional times when you hear
Speaker 1: people sniffling, then when there's humor and everyone has a
Speaker 1: laugh release And you know, people often say there's not
Speaker 1: enough movies for grown ups out there. Well, I really
Speaker 1: tried to make one. And that's my plea for you
Speaker 1: to please check it out in theaters. And Joell, did
Speaker 1: you have any more questions as a smart entertainment journalists
Speaker 1: you wanted to ask us? I do, And again, Florence,
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, But this is your first
Speaker 1: producing credit right, it is okay, So you look with
Speaker 1: a ton of women directors in your career. You talked
Speaker 1: throughout this interview about your love and passion of just
Speaker 1: being on set and learning all of the little jobs.
Speaker 1: What did you love about producing? What are you excited
Speaker 1: to do again? And have you considered directing at all?
Speaker 1: That is such a good question, Joel, you nailed it.
Speaker 1: They're also ready. Thank you. It's funny I have been
Speaker 1: dipping my toe in the producing world. I think it's
Speaker 1: something that I naturally end up doing anyway it on
Speaker 1: a film, Like I want to be involved in in things,
Speaker 1: even when obviously I've seen I've only got like the
Speaker 1: finished script and I can only now kind of help
Speaker 1: when we're shooting. But I think naturally, of the years,
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to tweak things that aren't right or
Speaker 1: are right or could be better, or have a saying
Speaker 1: in who do we think should be cast for this?
Speaker 1: Like it's something that I very much, not because I
Speaker 1: want control, but because I want to be a part
Speaker 1: of making it perfect. Like I really do want every
Speaker 1: line to be fantastic for everyone, And I think I
Speaker 1: have a good handle on dialogue. I think I'm very
Speaker 1: I love when it makes sense and everything clicks. And
Speaker 1: I think with this movie, when we were working on
Speaker 1: it together, we had been discussing some character arcs or
Speaker 1: something and we were just chatting it going through it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Zack, I think I'm a producer
Speaker 1: on this movie and he was like ah, and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, I think I am. I'm a producer
Speaker 1: here on this movie. And then he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course you can be a producer on the movie,
Speaker 1: and and so. But also just chatting about like casting,
Speaker 1: I love. I love figuring out who's going to be
Speaker 1: right for what and who deserves to have a role
Speaker 1: like that. I think like one thing that was amazing
Speaker 1: when sorry interrupt you, but she goes, she goes, you know,
Speaker 1: Florence's friends with Alex Wolfe, and we had this amazing
Speaker 1: scene for someone to come in and do and she goes,
Speaker 1: do you think Alex would do it? And I go,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Alex Wolfe would be perfect for that scene.
Speaker 1: And obviously so many fans would love to see you
Speaker 1: and Alex Wolfe go toe to toe in a scene.
Speaker 1: And she's like, well, let me let me ask him,
Speaker 1: and she asked him and Alex. She was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I like Zax work a lot. I love
Speaker 1: you like I'm in and she hangs up with him.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm the best producer. Yeah. I was getting
Speaker 1: I was getting roles in and every time I would
Speaker 1: do something, I put the phone down and be like,
Speaker 1: z I'm a producer. But she was. She was not
Speaker 1: only was she really helpful in casting, but a lot
Speaker 1: of script stuff. I mean talk about the cutting of
Speaker 1: the hair, conversation, cutting of the hair. Yeah, I wanted that.
Speaker 1: I wanted to do that. I just wanted I think
Speaker 1: I think when you're that low, there are so many
Speaker 1: levels of trying to fix yourself or trying to change
Speaker 1: something because you're kind of doing anything. Then look at
Speaker 1: what it is that you are and what it is
Speaker 1: that you actually need to change. And I just wanted
Speaker 1: her to be like doing everything and anything possible, then
Speaker 1: actually figure out what's wrong with her and what she
Speaker 1: actually thinks of herself. And I think for me also
Speaker 1: chopping the hair now watching it and seeing what people
Speaker 1: have to say about it, I think getting rid of
Speaker 1: the vanity is an amazing aspect to Alison, that it's
Speaker 1: just gone like her her female long hair, her womanly
Speaker 1: long hair is gone, and she butchered it and she
Speaker 1: doesn't care, and it's like it's it's at a new
Speaker 1: level of low. And I think also for an audience
Speaker 1: to watch someone one in that state of distress for
Speaker 1: a whole movie, the visual, I suppose it being so
Speaker 1: pleasing to watch the visual of her vanity being destroyed
Speaker 1: by herself, and that you're not getting distracted by anything.
Speaker 1: You're not getting distracted by beauty or if it's esthetically pleasing,
Speaker 1: or if her hair is in a bun or a
Speaker 1: ponytail or platt or whatever. It's like you just get
Speaker 1: to see this person on rock bottom with a raw
Speaker 1: face and raw hair basically just falling. And then and
Speaker 1: then when she came to me with that, I was like,
Speaker 1: that is so brilliant and I love it. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: We're shooting in twenty six days, and we shoot completely
Speaker 1: out of order, as you as you we tell you,
Speaker 1: you folks who aren't an industry, everything's shot out of order.
Speaker 1: And I said, Florence, that's brilliant, but logistically really impossible.
Speaker 1: And she took a beat and she's like, you'll figure
Speaker 1: it out. So then I go. So then I I
Speaker 1: go to the team and I'm like, you know, the
Speaker 1: first ad who's in charge of the schedule, and everyone
Speaker 1: my amazing simatarier for Maro Furi, and you know when
Speaker 1: the producer were all huddled up and I'm like, Florence
Speaker 1: has this great idea. Don't don't freak out. But I
Speaker 1: kind of like it. But I know it's gonna be hard,
Speaker 1: but let's so they huddle for like a couple of
Speaker 1: days and they're like, Zach, Zach, here's all the reasons
Speaker 1: why that's not going to work. And so I go
Speaker 1: back to Florence and I'm like, Florence, we tried, but
Speaker 1: it's just it's brilliant. It's just not going to work
Speaker 1: on our budget or our scale. She goes, you'll figure
Speaker 1: it out and um, and so it was her. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a great it made me think of Um, there's
Speaker 1: like that awesome Industrial Light and Magic documentary. It's very
Speaker 1: George las Yes, I really recommend that to anyone who
Speaker 1: hasn't seen it. But in that documentary they talk about
Speaker 1: how George when he would come to them and he
Speaker 1: would say, I want you to do some insane thing,
Speaker 1: and the animators would be like, that's not possible, and
Speaker 1: he would just go think about it, right, is that
Speaker 1: what he said, think on it. Yeah, and he would
Speaker 1: go just think about it, and they could be and
Speaker 1: then come back, Oh, George, we did huddle, this is impossible.
Speaker 1: He goes, all right, just just keep thinking about it.
Speaker 1: And and anyway, the point is, I want to thank
Speaker 1: Florence because it did push us to figure it out.
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to use wigs because wigs. Wigs
Speaker 1: are pretty bad always the moment, the whole point, she
Speaker 1: chops her hair and we wanted her to. We wanted
Speaker 1: to really chop her hair off on camera. And we
Speaker 1: also didn't want to use wigs because wigs, even with
Speaker 1: a high budget are not great. Wigs on a low
Speaker 1: budget are really bad. Yeah, and um, and so when
Speaker 1: you see her cutting her hair off, it's really Florence
Speaker 1: cutting her hair off. Um. Also, just so you know,
Speaker 1: the whole week up to that, everybody was shit scared.
Speaker 1: Zach was really worried. He was like, sure, like, how
Speaker 1: short are we going, Let's do practice run, Let's do
Speaker 1: a practice run. And everybody would be checking in with
Speaker 1: me and being like, are you okay? You nervous about it,
Speaker 1: be like no, I'm so excited. And then we started
Speaker 1: to get a bit confused because I was like completely
Speaker 1: thrilled about it, and even on the days, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so I just want to go over, like where are
Speaker 1: we going? Well, the hairstylus, the hair stylus came in
Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, just sure where she
Speaker 1: should cut and he was like, she knows, she knows, Like,
Speaker 1: but just let me because you only you only have
Speaker 1: you know, take one. And we actually had to cut
Speaker 1: a port in the wall of this house because we
Speaker 1: every single moment of this movie is shot on locations.
Speaker 1: There's no sets because we just didn't have the money
Speaker 1: for it, and so we took the medicine cabinet off
Speaker 1: of the wall, and there's was no way to get
Speaker 1: the shot we wanted. So we went to the homeowner
Speaker 1: and we were like, can we cut a hole in
Speaker 1: this wall. We're obviously patch it and make it look
Speaker 1: brand new, but we in order to get the shot
Speaker 1: we need, we need to cut what's called a camera
Speaker 1: port in this wall. And they were like, okay, as
Speaker 1: long as you promised to restore it. And we were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we can't believe they said yes. So,
Speaker 1: so in order to get those shots of Florence looking
Speaker 1: in the mirror like like she does several times in
Speaker 1: the movie, just a little for those of you filmmaking
Speaker 1: geeks out there, we had to cut a hole in
Speaker 1: the wall. But um, it turned out perfectly and it
Speaker 1: was such a good choice. And I was just just
Speaker 1: one of many examples of Florence and I'm a producer saying,
Speaker 1: and you did a great job. I'd love to keep
Speaker 1: I love it, yeah, and talk about filming. I definitely
Speaker 1: have told her that she should be a director one
Speaker 1: day and fold that into hers be a director. I
Speaker 1: think I need to learn a bit more. I need
Speaker 1: to soak it up. It's such a it's such a
Speaker 1: tricky position to have and to lead, and to be
Speaker 1: a leader on a film set, you really have to
Speaker 1: be like you have to know your shit, and if
Speaker 1: you don't, UM, a lot of people can get, you know,
Speaker 1: twisted up by that. And I think for me, I
Speaker 1: don't want to UM. I don't want to go in
Speaker 1: and not know and then and and affect an actor
Speaker 1: badly like you just it's something that you really should
Speaker 1: go in knowing that you can do, so I think
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do a bit more learning. Well, if
Speaker 1: you ever want to take the Zach Braff Camera Geek
Speaker 1: Camera Toys workshop, I will give you a one on one.
Speaker 1: Thank you, because I'm obsessed with it all. I hope
Speaker 1: you direct because not only you have a great vision
Speaker 1: and intelligence and clearer knowledge of acting, but you're a
Speaker 1: great leader and I think you'd be a fantastic filmmaker.
Speaker 1: So thank you guys for tuning in to this special
Speaker 1: conversation with Florence Pugh. Our movie A Good Person comes
Speaker 1: out this Friday. It comes out everywhere in the United States, Canada,
Speaker 1: and the United Kingdom on Friday the twenty fourth. Really, so,
Speaker 1: I know of getting a lot of people on social
Speaker 1: media saying when in my country? When in my country?
Speaker 1: I promise you it's calling coming to all Australia. I
Speaker 1: know his end of April, but I can all I
Speaker 1: can say specific now is this weekend in the United Kingdom.
Speaker 1: In the United States. Wow, Um, it's on many screens.
Speaker 1: It's not one of those ones that's on like one screen.
Speaker 1: It's on lots of screens. So please go check it
Speaker 1: out and thank you Joel and Danald for this awesome colors,
Speaker 1: A lovely chat. Of course. It was lovely seeing you
Speaker 1: guys again. I used to see during the pandemic randomly
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