Speaker 1: Low fellow conspiracy realists think it was always for tuning in.
Speaker 1: If you listen to this show for a long time,
Speaker 1: then you probably realize one sinister fact about human civilization.
Speaker 1: A lot of skeletons are not where they're supposed to be.
Speaker 1: Where are they supposed to be in the ground mainly? Yeah,
Speaker 1: an a line box? Yeah, resting comfortably. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: you see those legends about crystal skulls. You see these
Speaker 1: allegations of ancient, non human or extra terrestrial remains in
Speaker 1: this episode, and the three of us ask what gives?
Speaker 1: What are the strangest cases of this? And is it
Speaker 1: possible to separate fact from fiction? Ooh, and note this
Speaker 1: episode came out in January of twenty eighteen. From UFOs
Speaker 1: to Psychic Powers and government Conspiracies, History is old with
Speaker 1: unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn this
Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, and welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Max, my name
Speaker 1: is no old baby skeletons bround. They call me Ben.
Speaker 1: We are with our super producer Paul Decant, and you
Speaker 1: are you that makes this stuff they don't want you
Speaker 1: to know. Let's get morbid from the jump. Why I
Speaker 1: was trying to do that with my nick preface. I
Speaker 1: like it. I like it. I think it's a good nickname. Yep.
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. It'll hit you sometimes. We don't
Speaker 1: know what environment you find yourself in while you're listening
Speaker 1: to this, but if there are other people around, take
Speaker 1: a moment, look around. Don't be super creepy, don't make
Speaker 1: crazy eye contact. Just look at look at them, at
Speaker 1: the bodies around you, and realize that all of them
Speaker 1: are you know, essentially they're They're like their flesh and
Speaker 1: their organs and their eyes and their muscles and expressions.
Speaker 1: It's all like painting over a house, and that house
Speaker 1: is the skeleton. Everybody is essentially a body smuggling a
Speaker 1: skeleton around. YEA kind of like that. It's super creepy, yeah,
Speaker 1: skeleton smugglers. And then really, the next time you talk
Speaker 1: or move your hand, just think about it. Really, think
Speaker 1: about your jaw and your teeth and how it's connected up.
Speaker 1: I promise it won't get weird. You'll be fine. The
Speaker 1: hip bones connected to the whichever gocket. All right. We
Speaker 1: are building a very strange skeleton, and that's good because
Speaker 1: that pertains to this episode. Right, we've examined stories of
Speaker 1: strange cadavers and ancient artifacts, and past episodes and long
Speaker 1: time listeners, you may recall the work we've done on
Speaker 1: legends of Giants, allegations of alien artifacts, and lost civilizations, right,
Speaker 1: multiple times, No one, don't forget the video series on
Speaker 1: early Man, Dennis Ovans, Neanderthal's Hobbits, and so on. We've
Speaker 1: covered a lot of this stuff in the past, even aliens. Oh,
Speaker 1: no way, not us a couple of times. Well, today
Speaker 1: we are not restoring. We're exploring bizarre skeletons, skulls, and
Speaker 1: other remains of physical relics that, according to some people,
Speaker 1: prove there's much more to the historical record than what
Speaker 1: you find written in textbooks and hold the phone. Turns
Speaker 1: out there are a lot of bizarre skeleton stories to
Speaker 1: go around. So we're going to kind of do a
Speaker 1: bit of a grabby bag of sorts today, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely a grabby bag, a grizzly, a grab bag, a
Speaker 1: grizzly grabby bag, a grim golgotha which does the etymologically
Speaker 1: that word originally meant place of bones, a place of skulls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that where Goth comes from, and that's probably the Visigoths.
Speaker 1: I'd be interested. I don't know enough about Goth. We should,
Speaker 1: we should find out. Or if you consider yourself a
Speaker 1: Goth while you're listening to this, more power to you.
Speaker 1: Let us know. It all goes back to Bauhaus and
Speaker 1: Bella Legosie's dead, and that's all I know. That's very true.
Speaker 1: And like Bella Legosie, many artifacts also have some sort
Speaker 1: of story or legend or even conspiracy theory attached to them.
Speaker 1: But today we ask how many of these are mere legends,
Speaker 1: how many are outright hoaxes? Are any of these stories true?
Speaker 1: It's possible. Let's dig in every day. Yes, so, at
Speaker 1: institutions across across the world, the entire globe, at dig sites,
Speaker 1: in museums and laboratories, experts are constantly sifting through human
Speaker 1: remains architectural remains, in hopes of shedding some kind of
Speaker 1: light on our past. Our spee sees humanity in general
Speaker 1: and painting a better sharper picture of our origin story,
Speaker 1: where we've been, where we come from. And there's a
Speaker 1: good news bad news scenario here. Let's do the good
Speaker 1: news first. Okay, although this sound queue for good news,
Speaker 1: bad news or something like that. Yeah, let's try it out.
Speaker 1: We should have good news as a really really happy thing,
Speaker 1: and then oh no, let's do it opposite. Let's do
Speaker 1: the good news queue is really ominous like good news, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then bad news is like bad news. We're gonna
Speaker 1: workshop this, Yeah, we're gonna like it though. I like
Speaker 1: the direction that's setting. But yeah, well, I think we've
Speaker 1: given a super producer, Paul, some stuff to work with. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, take it away, Paul, this will be our
Speaker 1: good newsque good. I like it. What do you think
Speaker 1: good news? It feels good to me. Hey. So here's
Speaker 1: the good news. It's that we are as a species
Speaker 1: to newly discovering new information, testing and revising theories, and
Speaker 1: we're also applying new techniques. That's really good news because
Speaker 1: we're moving forward, right. The bad news is the further
Speaker 1: back we go in time, the less stuff, the less
Speaker 1: evidence we have to actually work with. Not every skeleton
Speaker 1: becomes a fossil's that's first and foremost fossils are not rare,
Speaker 1: but much more rare than what usually happens to a
Speaker 1: human being or any animal that is biological that dies
Speaker 1: and they're all biological except for some of the stuff
Speaker 1: coming out of DARPA, right, right, right, the silicon based
Speaker 1: life forms. Yes, when your organic matter, you decay into
Speaker 1: nothingness pretty much into your basic chemical compounds. And this
Speaker 1: is why you'll hear scientists explaining their best guesses for
Speaker 1: some animal or hominids appearance based on a few bone fragments,
Speaker 1: maybe a jaw, maybe some teeth, maybe a foot or
Speaker 1: a towbone, and you're trying to put it all together
Speaker 1: and make a story from what you have. Did that
Speaker 1: ever get to you guys as kids when you would
Speaker 1: see like a new dinosaurs discover Oh yeah, and they
Speaker 1: have they have a tooth. Yeah, well, and a lot
Speaker 1: of times it would be fragments from maybe the entire
Speaker 1: part of the dinosaur. But they're not put together in
Speaker 1: any kind of way. You were making your best educated
Speaker 1: guests on how these things are actually structured. Dinosaurs all
Speaker 1: had feathers and that's not cool. That ruined Jurassic Park
Speaker 1: for me. Plus feathered dinosaurs, I I don't know why.
Speaker 1: It just delights me. So it makes them so much
Speaker 1: more Doctor Seusian, You know you say that, but you
Speaker 1: know my position on feathered creatures and Jed. Honestly, if
Speaker 1: I were attacked by a feathered dinosaur, I would probably
Speaker 1: be more terrified than if I were attacked by a
Speaker 1: lizard like dinosaur. I'll protect you, thanks, buddy, I won't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would be like, no, it's very good
Speaker 1: that we have had this conversation in advance. I just
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I would be in your boat of
Speaker 1: like a running runaway giant feathered thing python style, Yes,
Speaker 1: run away, well, evan trying to die for a long
Speaker 1: time now and defending you guys from a feathered dinosaur
Speaker 1: seems like a pretty decent way to go. Might as
Speaker 1: well be a hero stuff. They'll write songs about you.
Speaker 1: I will, I specifically, but it's always like why did
Speaker 1: you do that? Stupid things? The fucking Yeah. The first
Speaker 1: thing I'll do is find my loot and you know,
Speaker 1: make some stuff work. Oh boy, can we get a
Speaker 1: loot strike? Sorry, Pauly, So just a background, just a background.
Speaker 1: Every time. You could tell we're big fans of super
Speaker 1: producer Paul, but every time we ask him for a
Speaker 1: sound cue, he's got a window through which he observes us.
Speaker 1: And you're you're familiar when you've heard, you know, back
Speaker 1: when Noel was on the Ones and twos. There, we
Speaker 1: look and we make eye contact and we try to
Speaker 1: interpret his body language. We do an okay job. It's
Speaker 1: hard to say. Yes, he's a little hard to read,
Speaker 1: but we try to speculate because speculation is important. I
Speaker 1: don't want to downplay when when we're saying that scientists
Speaker 1: today are making their educated guests, we're not downplaying any speculation.
Speaker 1: And there's very there's inherently going to be speculation. But
Speaker 1: they're not just making things up. They're not attempting to
Speaker 1: hoax people. And that's a big, big deal because in
Speaker 1: the past, hoaxes were everywhere. They were ubiquitous, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The most well known example of this, arguably is the
Speaker 1: pilt Down Man from nineteen twelve. This gentleman named Charles Dawson,
Speaker 1: who is an amateur archaeologist. He claimed to have discovered
Speaker 1: what he called the missing link between humans Homo sapiens,
Speaker 1: and apes, and well, it's kind of a long story,
Speaker 1: I guess we can get into it really fast. He
Speaker 1: you know, he contacted some other people, they got involved,
Speaker 1: and they were looking at this skull and the fragments
Speaker 1: from a part of a jawbone and some teeth and
Speaker 1: some primitive tools that he had discovered. They looked into
Speaker 1: him and they decided, yes, this is the missing link.
Speaker 1: And then another group of people got involved, right, and
Speaker 1: they did some further testing. As you know, technology is
Speaker 1: growing a little bit as because this is in nineteen
Speaker 1: forty nine. Now we were gone from nineteen twelve to
Speaker 1: nineteen forty nine. They've got some better tools, some better
Speaker 1: scientific testing that they can do. Right, they were using
Speaker 1: flooring tests because in nineteen twelve Dawson and the Geological
Speaker 1: Society that he revealed his discovery, no can you throw
Speaker 1: me a woohoo? You work too, you know discovery. Indeed,
Speaker 1: they all agreed that this was this was the skull
Speaker 1: of someone who was alive five hundred thousand years ago,
Speaker 1: a long time, half a million years ago. But the
Speaker 1: test in forty nine proved that not only was this
Speaker 1: much younger fifty thousand years old, it was also there's
Speaker 1: no way it could have been the missing link between
Speaker 1: humans and apes because at this point humans has already
Speaker 1: developed into this Homo sapien form. And then exactly and
Speaker 1: then the biggest thing that the testing discovered is that
Speaker 1: the jaw had actually, like the teeth they were inside
Speaker 1: the jaw had been whittled down with a tool to
Speaker 1: make it look more human because it was probably an ape,
Speaker 1: part of the ape. It was. It was a really
Speaker 1: bad hoax too. There was one. It came from the
Speaker 1: skull and jaw fragments two different species, a human and
Speaker 1: an orangutang yeah, orangutan. And unfortunately with the institutionalized racism
Speaker 1: tied up in this stuff in the in the studio
Speaker 1: science like this is also the age of the infamous
Speaker 1: Fiji mermaid. You know what I mean? And I don't
Speaker 1: mean to sound even more morbid, but if you guys
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to collect like fake taxidermy animals, you
Speaker 1: know where somebody puts like a I don't know, like
Speaker 1: a tiger with a bear or gives it a blind
Speaker 1: eagle wings. I mean, don't don't endanger a species for it,
Speaker 1: But would you would you get one of those? Or
Speaker 1: would it creep you out? I couldn't have that in
Speaker 1: my house. I'm sorry, I wasn't listening on. All right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna taxidermy knoll, It's official. Oh taxidermy, Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd have some taxic I mean, oh, you ever do
Speaker 1: a barbecue resta around the middle of nowhere and like
Speaker 1: you sit down and there's a taxidermy squirrel on the table. No,
Speaker 1: that's a thing. Yeah, Oh my gosh. I was not
Speaker 1: aware of this, but yeah, I ben I would say
Speaker 1: if it was, if it was creative enough, and I
Speaker 1: had a ruin in my house that was isolated away
Speaker 1: from anybody who if I'm presenting at my house or
Speaker 1: having a party, they would never see it unless I
Speaker 1: made sure they were going to see it. Yeah, then yes,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. All right, all right, Well, if
Speaker 1: you are listening to this and it happened to be
Speaker 1: a taxidermist, right in, let us know what the going
Speaker 1: rate is on these Fiji mermaid esque amalgamations. You know.
Speaker 1: So when people discovered these extraordinary skeletons throughout history, in
Speaker 1: the days before the proliferation of modern scientific techniques, local
Speaker 1: communities would often have a legend, right, we found this
Speaker 1: group of people, maybe they were abnormally sized, larger than
Speaker 1: we are, shorter than we are, and they existed with
Speaker 1: this relationship to our god or our gods, you know,
Speaker 1: and something happened and here's what happened, and that's why
Speaker 1: they're dead and we are alive. Yeah, and now the
Speaker 1: you know, with those legends still there, it becomes folklore
Speaker 1: or you know, legends. And then now with these new
Speaker 1: scientific discoveries that we're talking about, the new techniques that
Speaker 1: we have, we have this toolbox essentially that we can
Speaker 1: test both those legends if there's any remains or anything
Speaker 1: like that, but anything new that's discovered as well. And
Speaker 1: you can use X ray scans, CT scans, you can
Speaker 1: carbon date things, DNA testing if there's any organic material left.
Speaker 1: And there's so much more possible that we can glean
Speaker 1: from the remains of an animal or a human or whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And in the recent past, think as recently as the
Speaker 1: last few centuries or so, which is the recent past.
Speaker 1: In this sort of field, pseudoscience was widespread and was
Speaker 1: often just accepted as fact. Us led people to create
Speaker 1: fantastic stories and strange hoaxes, or to, despite their best intentions,
Speaker 1: get things completely wrong when attempting to explain and the
Speaker 1: origin or the provenance of a skeleton. That can really
Speaker 1: muddle up the record, you know, moving forward, because things last, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they they stick around just like we hope you
Speaker 1: will after a quick word from our sponsor, Oh, well done,
Speaker 1: and we're back. This is somewhat of the here's where
Speaker 1: it gets crazy part of our show. But what we
Speaker 1: hope will we'll do the best service to this will
Speaker 1: be to explore some of the examples a Asnal said,
Speaker 1: grabby bag. And there are so many, many, many examples here,
Speaker 1: so many purported explanations, and no matter how thoroughly proven
Speaker 1: one explanation might be, there are going to be other
Speaker 1: people who refuse to believe the story. And let's go
Speaker 1: through some of the top contenders, the most well known
Speaker 1: veterans of this field, to see whether we can find
Speaker 1: some solid explanations and warning friends and neighbors, fellow bone people, enthusiasts,
Speaker 1: bone havers, yes, fellow people also smuggling a skeleton right now? Yes,
Speaker 1: fellow keepers of the bones, fellow keepers of the bones.
Speaker 1: There we go. We do want to we do want
Speaker 1: to let the badger out of the bag. Here. We
Speaker 1: have some really solid explanations on some of the most
Speaker 1: well known examples of this, and in many cases they're
Speaker 1: not what they were purported to be. Yeah, and in
Speaker 1: other cases there are still questions. Even with all of
Speaker 1: the scientific tools we have and they've been tested, there's
Speaker 1: still some weird stuff going on. So let's jump right
Speaker 1: into this, Noel, do you want to start us off?
Speaker 1: Sure do. First example we have of strange skeleton, skulls
Speaker 1: and graves is the Star Child. Very close to my heart.
Speaker 1: You guys remember the National Inquirer. Oh yes, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of the Weekly World News. But but there was a
Speaker 1: time where they were sort of neck and neck in
Speaker 1: terms of schlocky schluckiness. Am I right? Agreed? Weekly World
Speaker 1: News is a good one, but didn't inquire sort of
Speaker 1: get a little more legit it edged ward towards celebrity stuff. Okay,
Speaker 1: so legit in quotation fingers for sure, But yeah, so
Speaker 1: the Inquirer. The Star Child has the same sort of
Speaker 1: quality to it as Weekly World News or the early
Speaker 1: days of the Inquirer. It came to the into the
Speaker 1: public consciousness when a paranormalist named Lloyd Pie surfaced with
Speaker 1: a skull, claiming it was physical proof of a human
Speaker 1: alien high Bridge and Pie said that he attained the
Speaker 1: skull from Ray and Melanie Young of El Paso, Texas.
Speaker 1: And that was in February of nineteen ninety nine and
Speaker 1: the Youngs, according to Pie, believe the skull was found
Speaker 1: around nineteen thirty in a tunnel, a mind tunnel about
Speaker 1: one hundred miles southwest of Chihuahua, Mexico, and it was
Speaker 1: buried alongside the normal skeleton of a human female. It's
Speaker 1: that about so. Neurologist by the name of Stephen Novella
Speaker 1: of Yale University Medical Schools said that the cranium had
Speaker 1: qualities exhibited characteristics of a child who had died as
Speaker 1: a result of congenital hydrocephalus, and the deformations were the
Speaker 1: result of accumulations of cerebro spinal fluid within the skull.
Speaker 1: Estimated child to be about four point five to five
Speaker 1: years at time of death, which is just heartbreaking, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the DNA testing that occurred in what was that
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine and then again in two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: it confirmed pretty much beyond the shadow of a doubt
Speaker 1: that the skull belonged to a male, completely human mail.
Speaker 1: But you'll still see this, You'll still see this skull
Speaker 1: or photographs of it shown as existence of a cover up.
Speaker 1: But in this case, in particular, as we said, there
Speaker 1: is extensive testing available, and yeah, I would just say
Speaker 1: looking at the pictures online of the starchild skull that
Speaker 1: I remember seeing in papers and in some of the
Speaker 1: more it's not the UFO magazine. Well actually, yeah, I
Speaker 1: do remember any UFO magazine seeing a picture of this.
Speaker 1: It does look a little strange if you just see
Speaker 1: the part because it's pretty much the top of the
Speaker 1: skull and the ocular area and going down to kind
Speaker 1: of the top job, but without really the jaw and
Speaker 1: jaw yeah no lower jaw. Yeah, And it does look
Speaker 1: a bit strange when you when you see it, and
Speaker 1: there's there's this aspect of it as well. One more
Speaker 1: mystery remains, at least in my opinion, guarding the star Child,
Speaker 1: and that's the that's the DNA that tests that they
Speaker 1: conducted upon the star Child. They were able to conduct
Speaker 1: similar DNA test on the normal female skeleton that was
Speaker 1: found next to it. And that skeleton is not the
Speaker 1: star Child's mother. Oh so there's a strange story there
Speaker 1: and we'll probably never know. Wow, sort of a guardian
Speaker 1: to the galaxy kind of scenario. Yeah, spoiler alert, quite possibly.
Speaker 1: And so we we pretty much as a species without
Speaker 1: knowing the individual story of what happened to this poor
Speaker 1: fortunate soul, we do know that it was human the
Speaker 1: entire time this stuff happened, and probably had a very
Speaker 1: hard and painful life. Yeah, and not a very long one,
Speaker 1: A pretty sad story. But we can lighten it up
Speaker 1: a little bit, did you you guys? I think we
Speaker 1: may have talked about this on air before. See the
Speaker 1: most recent Indiana Jones film. Oh yeah, I couldn't get
Speaker 1: through it, man, I thought it was a pretty atrocious.
Speaker 1: Oh you liked it? I mean, look like is a
Speaker 1: maybe not how I would describe it. I went into it.
Speaker 1: I got some Indiana Jones back in my life for
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know. I mean I got all that.
Speaker 1: I got the whip, I got the gun, I got
Speaker 1: Harrison Ford. It's been five years, right, five years plus.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that that's not true. It is that true?
Speaker 1: Since the Crystal Skulls. Yeah, yeah, I guess I'll I
Speaker 1: remember about it was. There's a part where he survives
Speaker 1: a nuclear attack by climbing into a refrigerator and gets
Speaker 1: blown halfway across this warehouse or whatever and tumbles out
Speaker 1: like you know, hunky Dory or whatever. But someone reminded
Speaker 1: me that, like, Indiana Jones is sort of a superhuman character. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's that's one of the parts of the film
Speaker 1: that everybody remembers is the fridge scene. It's replaced Jump
Speaker 1: in the Shark, right right, yeah, and it's hopping the fridge.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. That might be on that might be
Speaker 1: on TV tropes or something. They remember that, and they
Speaker 1: also remember the the the endings. Yeah, in the spoiler territory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do it, okay. The only thing that really bothered
Speaker 1: me on a personal level about the film, um, despite
Speaker 1: the problematic the multiple problematic issues with Indiana Jones overall,
Speaker 1: the fact that ninjas show up with no precedence, no explanation,
Speaker 1: just like in this jungle and there's like crawling out
Speaker 1: and before you ask, no, they're not ninja esque people.
Speaker 1: They're ninjas, like Japanese ninjas. Just the part where they're
Speaker 1: swinging on vines and stuff too, like literally is swinging
Speaker 1: like Tarzan. Oh yeah, I forgot about that part. And
Speaker 1: at the there's monkeys, Yeah, join him, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: just for a second, just like a dolphin, uh see
Speaker 1: that boat. They're just really just swinging. How many sharks
Speaker 1: were in this movie? Sharks? So so at the very end,
Speaker 1: the reason we bring bringing this up, it's uh, Indiana
Speaker 1: Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal of the Kingdom. Okay, uh,
Speaker 1: one of the big mcguffins in there is this skull,
Speaker 1: this artifact, this unknown thing, and it is crystal and
Speaker 1: it turns out that it is a Have we ruined
Speaker 1: the movie? No, yeah, we already gave a spoiler alert. Okay,
Speaker 1: the movie is uh. We we said more than five
Speaker 1: years right at this point, seven I can IMDb. Oh eight,
Speaker 1: we're good, all right, we're good. Paul just told us.
Speaker 1: Producer Paul just told us. It came out in no way,
Speaker 1: so we are free and clear, and that means we
Speaker 1: can tell you that at the very end, they find
Speaker 1: that this skull is one of like twelve and it
Speaker 1: was removed from the actual body, the crystalline body or
Speaker 1: skeleton of this ancient alien one of twelve, and when
Speaker 1: you put it back on, it comes right back to life,
Speaker 1: because that's how aliens work. Yep. And this is like
Speaker 1: most Indiana Jones stuff. It's based on a lot of
Speaker 1: the why would you say nineteen twenties to forties stuff,
Speaker 1: and this one takes place in the fifties, this film,
Speaker 1: but it it pulls from the crystal skull mythology, which
Speaker 1: actually occurred in the nineteen twenties. A crystal skulls of
Speaker 1: stone carving in the shape of a human skull. It
Speaker 1: could be like a few inches to life size. Some
Speaker 1: are made a pure its crystal. Those are probably the
Speaker 1: most famous ones. Others might be some other type of stone.
Speaker 1: And they some of them are genuine artifacts from Mesoamerican cultures,
Speaker 1: and they're called skull masks or death heads. But the
Speaker 1: skulls we're talking about in this instance are those to
Speaker 1: whom some spiritualists attribute extraordinary supernatural origins and or powers.
Speaker 1: You can look in this and see the future. You
Speaker 1: can get emanations. You can actually project into the past,
Speaker 1: much like a crystal ball. Very similar. Yeah, And the
Speaker 1: most famous of these is the Mitchell Hedges Skull of Doom.
Speaker 1: The story goes that was discovered by a seventeen year
Speaker 1: old Anna Mitchell Hedges in nineteen twenty four, twenty seven,
Speaker 1: while she was with her father on an excavation in
Speaker 1: a Mayan city called Lubuntun in Belize and this. They
Speaker 1: were excavating this because her father thought that he would
Speaker 1: find Atlantis. Yes, always looking for Atlantis. In retrospect, a
Speaker 1: fellow named Joe Nickel proved beyond a reasonable doubt that
Speaker 1: what actually happened is Mitchell Hedges bought the skull at
Speaker 1: a South of These sale in nineteen forty three for
Speaker 1: four hundred pounds the British currency, not four hundred pounds
Speaker 1: of like rice, human yeah, rice or human fat or
Speaker 1: human fat. I don't know, man, I mean there were
Speaker 1: some soapmakers that were just really in need, that's true.
Speaker 1: The story then becomes more or less sexy window dressing.
Speaker 1: The British Museum studied several crystal skulls in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: six and determined that they were all probably made in
Speaker 1: Germany within the past hundred and fifty years at least
Speaker 1: these famous ones that are about the size of a
Speaker 1: human natural human skull a little smaller. The recent origin
Speaker 1: explains how they were made with tools unavailable to ancient
Speaker 1: Meso American peoples at the time, like modern polish and
Speaker 1: wheels and stuff like that. She's the genuine ancient objects
Speaker 1: which show haphazard, very very tiny uh, scratches, yeah, and abrasions.
Speaker 1: So they're beautiful works of art, but they're not earth
Speaker 1: shattering evidence of any law civilization other than our own. Again,
Speaker 1: not to be dark, yeah, but they are. They are
Speaker 1: examples of a really nice place for me where mystery
Speaker 1: kind of comes into reality, at least the actual genuine
Speaker 1: Aztec artifacts. Just imagining someone that far back in time
Speaker 1: constructing this thing with tools available to them, and imagine
Speaker 1: having that in that time, having like actually holding that
Speaker 1: crystal skull in a time when you know, the most
Speaker 1: advanced technologies are fire in hand tools. I mean, pretty
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. Actually that's not true. There's all kinds of
Speaker 1: other technologies that exist at a time, but nothing very advanced,
Speaker 1: and having in something like that in your hands would
Speaker 1: be so mystical. Did you you know? I agree? Did
Speaker 1: you guys ever hear this? This has haunted me from
Speaker 1: schooling days. I heard back when I was a wee
Speaker 1: tyke that no meso American culture had invented the wheel
Speaker 1: when they were encountering other cultures. I find that a
Speaker 1: little hard to believe. Did you guys ever hear that? No?
Speaker 1: No, no no, I'd have to get into that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but that's I'm trying to imagine building the structures they
Speaker 1: built without any kind of system like that. But I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, okay, possible because it feels incorrect to me.
Speaker 1: And it's weird that when I was a kid, a
Speaker 1: teacher told me that, Yeah, teachers have told me a
Speaker 1: lot of things, especially in middle school, that I've come
Speaker 1: to find. No, no, no, no, what did they tell
Speaker 1: you about the Paracas skulls? Well, I had one teacher
Speaker 1: told me about them. We're just gonna call her missus Bliss,
Speaker 1: miss Bliss uh from like a Judy Bloom book or something.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure that saved by the bell.
Speaker 1: But they were found. Did you see Paul getting ready?
Speaker 1: He was not going to let that slide um, So, okay,
Speaker 1: the Paracas skulls were found in Peru. They created all
Speaker 1: kinds of waves throughout the internets in the world. In
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, after this geneticist undertook the preliminary or like
Speaker 1: the first DNA testing on these and he reported some
Speaker 1: unknown results. And this was reported by a gentleman calls
Speaker 1: himself Brian Forrester, and that his name because that's what
Speaker 1: his parents called him or who you know, whoever named him,
Speaker 1: and so he allegedly found these skulls had mitochondrial DNA
Speaker 1: with mutations unknown in any human primate or animal known.
Speaker 1: So farm well that that turned out not to be
Speaker 1: the case at all. The story about mystery DNA simply
Speaker 1: didn't hold up to some more cursory examination. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. So a lot of people were skeptical when
Speaker 1: Forster introduced these claims because he had a reputation the
Speaker 1: scientific community as being somewhat unreliable, Yes, or a bit
Speaker 1: of a sensationalist. To be clear, neither Matt nor Noll
Speaker 1: or I have spoken with Forster. No, we should say
Speaker 1: that these skulls in question, these process skulls, they they're elongated. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they do look strange. If you're looking at one
Speaker 1: of these, it the top of the skull from essentially
Speaker 1: the eyes upward goes out into a cone. It's a
Speaker 1: cone head. It's a yeah, it's a conical shape. It's
Speaker 1: similar in some ways to the way you see a
Speaker 1: gorilla's head. The Simian shape of it goes up at
Speaker 1: the back, but even further and more point cone headed
Speaker 1: and lean him back, it does not the cone heads.
Speaker 1: But but maybe that's an homage. Maybe that's what dan
Speaker 1: Ackroyd was really going for, you know, perhaps that is
Speaker 1: you know, he's our type of person. He's a full
Speaker 1: time uphologist now or well he's heavily interested, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: so yeah, okay, So they said that the DNA is
Speaker 1: screwy and not entirely human. The problem with this, and
Speaker 1: this is a totally understandable thing to believe, but the
Speaker 1: issue with that is the following uh, DNA has an
Speaker 1: expiration date. DNA is also organic matter, and as Matt
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, organic matter decays, so there can also there
Speaker 1: can be decaying DNA, but there can also be cases
Speaker 1: where the DNA is somehow contaminated, not on purpose, just
Speaker 1: sort of a things happen scenario, right, And now this
Speaker 1: means that we have to be able to separate between
Speaker 1: whether whether there's something alien, extraterrestrial somewhere locked away in
Speaker 1: the genetic code you know, that's a show for a
Speaker 1: different day, or whether there was something in the methodology, yes,
Speaker 1: that poisoned it. And in this case, we have a
Speaker 1: pretty solid understanding of what was happening to create these
Speaker 1: skull shapes, right, Yeah, absolutely, these elongated skulls were probably,
Speaker 1: let's say absolutely most likely created by binding, which is
Speaker 1: this this ancient practice where civilizations would purposefully change the
Speaker 1: shape of their skull to several You know, there are
Speaker 1: varying versions of this, but the most common one that
Speaker 1: you can find is this elongated skull by actually binding
Speaker 1: it as it's growing. It's like it's like an extreme
Speaker 1: version of like footbinding in Asian cultures. Yeah, but in
Speaker 1: this case it's well, I guess kind of in the
Speaker 1: same as footbinding in a way that served of your
Speaker 1: faturing something that is growing in order to make it
Speaker 1: take a certain shape. Yes, yes, the footbinding is for
Speaker 1: a largely sexual purpose. This is for like almost to
Speaker 1: show not royalty, but like there's a social status that
Speaker 1: was associated a lot of times with this headbinding. Right.
Speaker 1: We still don't know entirely why this occurred. We know
Speaker 1: how they did it, We have a good guess, but
Speaker 1: it is it is fair to point out a mystery
Speaker 1: remains because maybe you know what, call us just a
Speaker 1: bunch of know nothings from twenty seventeen, but if somebody
Speaker 1: proposed that we try something like that with our own kids,
Speaker 1: or something that'd be kind of weird. Yeah, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to do that, And who knows what effect it
Speaker 1: has on the brain as it's being developed and all that,
Speaker 1: especially if you're doing it at such a young age
Speaker 1: as these, you know, as the skull itself is growing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to mess with that. And then we
Speaker 1: have another example, the Atacama skeleton. Is this is a
Speaker 1: really weird one. This is probably the one that gets
Speaker 1: to me, you know. Yeah, we we had the gentleman
Speaker 1: on our show, doctor Stephen Greer, who at least introduced
Speaker 1: me to this subject with a documentary film that he made.
Speaker 1: It's a fascinating story. And this is in particular where
Speaker 1: we get to the point where there are still some
Speaker 1: questions that I have that I want answered before I
Speaker 1: can make any kind of judgment call on what I
Speaker 1: believe this thing is. It's it's really it's really cool
Speaker 1: in my opinion. So, okay, I don't remember whether whether
Speaker 1: he spoke about this one in our previous interview with him.
Speaker 1: Frown acknowledge, Oh no, no. In the interview he does
Speaker 1: not address at least not in in length, but he
Speaker 1: was the previous documentary they would make that he had
Speaker 1: made before, the one he came to talk to us about. Noel,
Speaker 1: can you give us the skinny on this skeleton? The
Speaker 1: skeleton skinny, oh man, because skeletons are skinny. I'm a dummy.
Speaker 1: That's great, Okay. So in two thousand and three, in
Speaker 1: a deserted town in Chile um located in the Atacama Desert,
Speaker 1: a six inch long skeleton or portion of skeletal human
Speaker 1: remains was found and according to a local newspaper, ben
Speaker 1: I believe they gave it a name, isn't that right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And Ata was found in northern Chile by a man
Speaker 1: by the name of Oscar Munios, who later sold the
Speaker 1: remains to a Spanish businessman by the name of Ramon
Speaker 1: Navia Osaria. That was nice, rule, yeah, yeah, yeah. So
Speaker 1: here is a little snippet from if L Science, a
Speaker 1: great blog, and you know, the IFL stands for I
Speaker 1: Flipping Love It, I Flipping Love Science Family Show. They
Speaker 1: went into how the skeleton was part of a private
Speaker 1: collection until oh nine, and at that time was brought
Speaker 1: to a symposium in Spain in Barcelona, and then in
Speaker 1: twenty twelve a group of scientists had the chance to
Speaker 1: study this skeleton at length, and they used X rays,
Speaker 1: cat scans, and took genetic samples as well, and the
Speaker 1: results showed that the chest cavity of Atta actually still
Speaker 1: had what appeared to be the remains of lungs and
Speaker 1: also a heart inside. Exactly a heart and lungs inside
Speaker 1: this skeleton. Now, really fast, if we pull up a
Speaker 1: picture of this and we take a look at it,
Speaker 1: you can you can get a better idea of kind
Speaker 1: of what they were working with. So we Nolman, you
Speaker 1: mentioned that it's a six inch long skeleton, and it
Speaker 1: looks like a fully formed human skeleton, everything from the
Speaker 1: footbones all the way up to the top of the skull,
Speaker 1: including the arms and the hands, the ribs, everything. That's
Speaker 1: where my nickname came from. No old baby skeleton brown. Ah,
Speaker 1: there we are. Well, as we'll find out, perhaps it
Speaker 1: wasn't a baby, but it was still a baby skeleton.
Speaker 1: It was, Yes, a tiny skeletons got it. So it was.
Speaker 1: Originally this skeleton Auto was thought to be ancient, but
Speaker 1: this testing that they were doing at this time found
Speaker 1: the remains were only a few decades old and they
Speaker 1: were entirely human. But there was some weird stuff that
Speaker 1: went on with a genetic testing because ten percent, nine
Speaker 1: to ten percent of the DNA came back as not human.
Speaker 1: But there's an explanation for that. It's kind of weird.
Speaker 1: But because you think ten percent, nine to ten percent
Speaker 1: of this was not human, what in the heck could
Speaker 1: that be? But that just has to do with with
Speaker 1: the DNA. As Ben said earlier, it degrades over time.
Speaker 1: And also there's a certain percentage of error that you're
Speaker 1: going to get where you're doing DNA testing, and there
Speaker 1: I guess it's also has to do things that I
Speaker 1: don't understand. The entire genome when it's being tested. There
Speaker 1: are certain parts that sometimes will fall off a test.
Speaker 1: This segment, Yeah, it gets a little weird and again
Speaker 1: beyond my pay grade. But the results of you know,
Speaker 1: ninety one percent roughly being human are well within the
Speaker 1: expected parameters for contamination and degradation of DNA and so
Speaker 1: entirely human fetus but so tiny to be so formed
Speaker 1: in the way it is. You know, to most observers,
Speaker 1: Ata appears to be a fetus. People would say, maybe
Speaker 1: die premature purely, Maybe was born prematurely and died shortly thereafter. However,
Speaker 1: to Matt's point, the same scientific analysis says that there
Speaker 1: were a mature teeth present in the mouth and the
Speaker 1: bones were well developed, with the leg bones showing growth
Speaker 1: plates that you would expect to see in a child
Speaker 1: of the age between six to eight. And that's also
Speaker 1: from that IFL science article, and it goes on. While
Speaker 1: the testing did provide answers, it also raised many more questions.
Speaker 1: How could a six year old child only be six
Speaker 1: inches long? And at this point we still do not know.
Speaker 1: We don't just mean Matt, Noel and Ben don't know,
Speaker 1: We mean no one is completely sure. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: hard to imagine. Can you imagine when you look at
Speaker 1: a picture of this thing, imagine it walking around and
Speaker 1: before it was this large, after six to eight years
Speaker 1: it was smaller. In fact, let's take a break. Go
Speaker 1: check this out. If you're as long as you're not
Speaker 1: driving or something, go check out a photo of this
Speaker 1: and tell us what you think. After a word from
Speaker 1: our sponsors. Okay, just a few more examples. I feel
Speaker 1: like we should laundry list some of these. I have
Speaker 1: one thing in the notes titled in those days there
Speaker 1: were chaliants because that's such a dramatic phrase. You use
Speaker 1: that line in one of the radio plays we did. Yeah, yeah, yepy,
Speaker 1: the creepy demon monologue revealing his diabolical plot. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: were giants in those days. Okay, Yes, I am in
Speaker 1: love with that phrase, and it's it's quite dramatic, but
Speaker 1: we say it because it's cool phrase, and we also
Speaker 1: say it because we want to recap our the thing
Speaker 1: about ancient giants, right could cover up in which you
Speaker 1: have heard mentioned on our show before. The idea is
Speaker 1: that throughout human history, from the ancient days to well
Speaker 1: within the past one hundred and fifty years, civilizations around
Speaker 1: the world have been discovering the skulls and skeletons of giants.
Speaker 1: We're talking people who are nine twelve feet tall, you know,
Speaker 1: well outside the bounds of what would be expected. People
Speaker 1: who believe this story point to photographs that appeared in
Speaker 1: various newspapers of note around the time, or were claimed
Speaker 1: to appear in those newspapers. And proponents of this stuff
Speaker 1: also believe the world's museums are part of a cabal
Speaker 1: that is purposely buying up these remains and suppressing them
Speaker 1: or storing them or destroying them. Yeah, And critics point
Speaker 1: out that a lot of the alleged photographs that you
Speaker 1: would find in these newspapers and ones that you'll find
Speaker 1: now online are doctored in some way or photoshopped. And
Speaker 1: I can verify that several of the images that I
Speaker 1: have found on my personal Facebook feed because of people
Speaker 1: and pages that I follow, are most certainly the works
Speaker 1: of image manipulation. You can see that there's been resizing
Speaker 1: and compositing of different images. In a lot of these.
Speaker 1: You can see the edges where it's been cut out.
Speaker 1: You can see where there should be shadows but there aren't,
Speaker 1: or the shadows don't match up. Um. Yeah, it's an
Speaker 1: unfortunate truth, but it's the truth, right. And it's also
Speaker 1: tough to imagine that if the world is littered with
Speaker 1: giant skeletons, some organization could keep it completely secret from everyone. Literally,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a big secret. It's literally dozens of
Speaker 1: big secrets, Benjamin, the giant secrets. I had us all
Speaker 1: down on that when there was also you may have
Speaker 1: heard of a three fingered mummy. This was I had
Speaker 1: not heard of this. This was mentioned through an outfit
Speaker 1: called Gaya TV, and they presented it in sort of
Speaker 1: history channel ancient Aliens way, Like, I'm not saying it
Speaker 1: was aliens. This is definitely an alien. I'm saying it's
Speaker 1: an alien, but definitely an alien. Check out this alien
Speaker 1: at all. But it's not an alien, right, but I
Speaker 1: understand it might be an alien. Yeah, this is most
Speaker 1: likely another hope because apparently Gaya has been accused of
Speaker 1: hoaxing or misrepresenting things in the past. However, we are
Speaker 1: not we haven't spoken with the people a guy, and
Speaker 1: I'm not very familiar with their work. These are just
Speaker 1: criticisms I've read, and it may be possible that those
Speaker 1: criticisms are subjective or not true. I just I just
Speaker 1: want to be fair. I don't want to hate on
Speaker 1: Guya too much. But I've definitely seen some things that
Speaker 1: they've published that are bogus. You've seen some things, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: the last one maybe is the well, one of the
Speaker 1: last ones is the Kishtam dwarf. Small human fetus known
Speaker 1: as Alyoshenka was found by an elderly woman in Russia.
Speaker 1: It had an unusual appearance, and it gave rise to
Speaker 1: rumors and extra terrestrial origin. Local populations supported the rumors,
Speaker 1: and they would charge reporters for interviews. At least two
Speaker 1: Japanese companies made documentaries about it in April two thousand
Speaker 1: and four. Scientists who studied these remains said it was
Speaker 1: a premature female human infant with severe deformities. Other eyewitnesses said, no,
Speaker 1: deformities can't explain this. There are too many, especially deformities
Speaker 1: in the skull. They said, it wasn't a hoax. It
Speaker 1: was a genuine mummified body that was once living tissue.
Speaker 1: But the argument was, you know, some people just didn't
Speaker 1: want to walk away from the idea that this was
Speaker 1: extraterrestrial and was a cover up. But right now, the
Speaker 1: best guest for this, and there's not a whole bunch
Speaker 1: stuff written about this discovery in English, but the best
Speaker 1: guess is that it may be attributed to something called
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifty seven Kishtom disaster, which I had never
Speaker 1: heard of. And I feel ashamed for not knowing about this.
Speaker 1: Shame for shame, Ben Pole, But you know, for shame
Speaker 1: on all of us week. We had to look it up,
Speaker 1: and as it turns out, there was a radioactive contamination
Speaker 1: incident that occurred on the twenty ninth of September in
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty seven at Mayak, which is a plutonium production
Speaker 1: site in Russia for nuclear weapons and also nuclear fuel
Speaker 1: reprocessing for the Soviet Union, and it measured as a
Speaker 1: level six disaster on the International Nuclear Event Scale or INEZ,
Speaker 1: that's how I'm gonna choose to say it, and it
Speaker 1: made it the third most serious nuclear accident ever recorded,
Speaker 1: behind the Fukushima Daichi nuclear disaster and the Chernobyl disaster.
Speaker 1: I just want to take a tiny little sidebar. Paul,
Speaker 1: superproducer Paul, and myself and the superproducer Alex and superproducer
Speaker 1: Tristan all went and saw this movie Stalker, this Tarkovski film,
Speaker 1: and it was all shot in and around these Russian
Speaker 1: nuclear sites, and it is some bleak, bleak stuff. It's
Speaker 1: a really excellent film, quite cerebral and plotting and very drony,
Speaker 1: but very much worth your time. I would check it out,
Speaker 1: if only for just the visuals of like these sites.
Speaker 1: And as it turns out, it's the filmmaker and a
Speaker 1: couple of the members of the crew died from radiation.
Speaker 1: Raiation but later in life circumstances pretty well associated with
Speaker 1: them splashing around in these uh, these super fun sit
Speaker 1: like ponds. Was this recent? Was this still in the
Speaker 1: theater seventy nine? Oh okay, he came out in seventy nine,
Speaker 1: came out, so it was probably made in like you know,
Speaker 1: seventy five actually was made three times. That's a whole
Speaker 1: other story. But yeah, anyway, I was actually a fan
Speaker 1: of There's a video game series called Stalker. There were
Speaker 1: a couple of them. One of them is called Stalker
Speaker 1: Shadows of Chernobyl, and it feels very different or very
Speaker 1: similar to that, but I wonder if it's actually a
Speaker 1: completely different. Well, the character the Stalker in the film
Speaker 1: is like his whole deal as he guides people through
Speaker 1: these sites in the film have a supernatural connotation. But anyway, sidebar,
Speaker 1: I just really really enjoyed the film and it made
Speaker 1: me think of some of the scenes, and it's good
Speaker 1: for people to see, well maybe not good, but it's
Speaker 1: important for people to see the level of destruction and
Speaker 1: the level of lasting effect these sorts of technologies can
Speaker 1: have upon the world, especially on children who are being
Speaker 1: born right and not to mention animals right or plant life,
Speaker 1: and we know that this stuff lasts and as much
Speaker 1: as we would like to pretend that we exist in
Speaker 1: our own islands, everything is eventually connected, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. A disaster from one place, if it's big enough,
Speaker 1: as a disaster everywhere. There was one more thing I
Speaker 1: found that was interesting. It's a bit of a bit
Speaker 1: of a crime story. This is the last one I have.
Speaker 1: I started looking at mass graves of ordinary skeletons who
Speaker 1: met extraordinary ends. I found one in a state in India,
Speaker 1: uttarakand at an altitude of about sixteen thousand feet in
Speaker 1: the Himalayas, someone found as many six hundred skeletons buried
Speaker 1: in a place called Rupekund Lake or Skeleton Lake. They
Speaker 1: date from either the ninth century to the fifteenth century,
Speaker 1: and the local community had a legend about this. They
Speaker 1: said the remains include those of King Jaz the Wall
Speaker 1: because he was disobedient during a pilgrimage and with his wife,
Speaker 1: the queen and his royal entourage, and this angered the
Speaker 1: Hindu goddess Mata. So to gain revenge, she in a
Speaker 1: local deity named Latu created thunderstorms and avalanches, raining gigantic
Speaker 1: stones on the king and his army. And it turns
Speaker 1: out the legend might contain a grain of truth because
Speaker 1: the scientists say it's possible that the skeletons cracked skulls
Speaker 1: were all struck by stones, hailstones, and that they died
Speaker 1: in a blizzard or other natural catastrophe. Wow. Not the
Speaker 1: best way to go. Yeah, not the best way to
Speaker 1: go at all, and maybe not a legend at all.
Speaker 1: But we see how the legend gets built off of that.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's really important to know that
Speaker 1: most legends start from a grain of truth, right, So
Speaker 1: that's a pearl inside the clam. I love that. That's
Speaker 1: very Are you secretly auditioning for a Disney movie Pixar character?
Speaker 1: That was? I can see you? Yeah, I plam. I
Speaker 1: love it. I don't want to cut you off. Please.
Speaker 1: The last one that I just wanted to mention here,
Speaker 1: and I'm not even really going to get into it
Speaker 1: all the way, but I think you should look up
Speaker 1: a place called little More Priory. Little More is one word.
Speaker 1: Little More is one word, yes, and it was a
Speaker 1: priory church. That also, what is the what not in
Speaker 1: a nunnery? What is the Is that a priory a
Speaker 1: place where nuns convent? Maybe a convent of sorts where
Speaker 1: there were a lot of nuns who lived in this area.
Speaker 1: And this is in Yeah, it's a small it's specifically
Speaker 1: a smaller one, and it's run by a prior s
Speaker 1: a priores that's exactly that's where that word came from.
Speaker 1: Okay um. So this place in the fifteen hundreds, apparently
Speaker 1: there was some strange stuff going on with the prioress,
Speaker 1: the person who ran this joint, and the nuns who
Speaker 1: were in there. There was some misdeeds, let's say, in
Speaker 1: the eyes of the people who were in charge of it.
Speaker 1: There's some serious sinning who was occurring. Believe the bishop
Speaker 1: shut it down. The bishop did shut it down. But
Speaker 1: they're ninety two women. The remains of ninety two humans,
Speaker 1: most of them women and some children were found buried
Speaker 1: here and unceremoniously. Some of them were faced down. One
Speaker 1: was buried with a child appeared to be an unborn
Speaker 1: child or you know, a child that was born and deceased,
Speaker 1: and yes, and then several other women who were prostrate
Speaker 1: on the ground which appeared to be maybe witches. And
Speaker 1: there's this whole series of strange stuff that went on
Speaker 1: with all of these deaths. And or you know, skeletons
Speaker 1: buried face down and unconsecrated ground. Yeah, very very strange
Speaker 1: that those are the usual signs I recognize, at least
Speaker 1: that's how they usually put me in. Okay, yeah, well whatever,
Speaker 1: anybody got to roll over. I don't know why everybody
Speaker 1: thinks that's gonna work. Got anyway, look up a little
Speaker 1: more priory. There's more to it. There's more to it,
Speaker 1: but just check it out. And we're getting the signal
Speaker 1: from ourselves. We've been thinking about mortality for a while now,
Speaker 1: so we're going to go, uh, we're going to venture off,
Speaker 1: and we're going to ask for your help because we
Speaker 1: know that there are multiple other stories like this, and
Speaker 1: we are actually having we're actually having a really interesting
Speaker 1: time tracing any possible explanations for this. So, for example,
Speaker 1: I don't we didn't have time to put it in
Speaker 1: the show today, but there are a bunch of reports
Speaker 1: of red haired mummies in uh strange places where you
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect to find a red haired mummy, right, And
Speaker 1: one of the explanations for that would be that the
Speaker 1: sunlight transforms the hair, turns the hair red. And then
Speaker 1: there are other people who say no, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: not good enough. What are these red haired people doing
Speaker 1: in this part of the world, with red hair being
Speaker 1: relatively rare trait. So we have just dipped our We
Speaker 1: have dipped our conceptual facasha just a little bit into
Speaker 1: the olive oil sauce of mystery. Oh not all these
Speaker 1: comparisons are going to work. In conclusion, it appears the
Speaker 1: most famous cases of mysterious skulls can be largely explained
Speaker 1: by mundane causes such as genetic disorder, injury, hoaxes, or,
Speaker 1: in the case of Prakash, purposeful deformation for cultural purposes.
Speaker 1: And you know, in that one case, there's a pretty
Speaker 1: compelling argument for freak meteorological occurrences. But also those skeletons,
Speaker 1: other than their grizzly strange death, are perfectly normal. And
Speaker 1: I feel like I have to make a point about
Speaker 1: a coaxing here. Sure, there are loads of individuals who
Speaker 1: claim they've discovered something unusual, only for it later to
Speaker 1: be proven, you know, not to be an alien or
Speaker 1: not to be an extraterrestrial or nephelim or whatever. But
Speaker 1: that does not automatically mean they are con artists. And
Speaker 1: they may genuinely believe what they have discovered, and so
Speaker 1: it would be unfair for us to automatically ascribe some
Speaker 1: kind of motive or internal motivation to these people. Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: If if I was the person who came across that
Speaker 1: Autocoma skeleton, I would absolutely think there was something strange
Speaker 1: going on and want it to be tested immediately. Let's
Speaker 1: go right now and let's get this thing tested. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And a lot of these examples, I would the starchild skull.
Speaker 1: I would also want to look into that. If you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't have an understanding of some of the human
Speaker 1: genetic different nations that occur that I have now, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm, you know, lucky to have that information in
Speaker 1: my life. Well said Matt. Well said indeed, And I
Speaker 1: am inspired by that, and I follow your lead in
Speaker 1: these sorts of things because I'm inspired by you too.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, well, we're both inspired by Noel. Who do
Speaker 1: I get to be inspired by? Oh wait, I am
Speaker 1: inspire me daily? Oh stop it, oh man, we're having
Speaker 1: an inspire thon again, an aspire off and inspire off
Speaker 1: and uh, Paul nodded, he's eating a sandwich or something.
Speaker 1: The rapid up really good salad too. I'm hungry, all right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we are off too. We are off to feed
Speaker 1: our skeletons, hungry for the truth, hungry for the truth. Yes,
Speaker 1: Noel indeed, and dried cranberries and dried cranberries and Philly
Speaker 1: cheese steaks and all the all the beautiful things about
Speaker 1: staying alive. So we're we're going to head off, but
Speaker 1: never fear, we will be back next week. I do
Speaker 1: want to give a shout out to the Mysteries of
Speaker 1: the Unknown time Life book series, because they have a
Speaker 1: test in there that lets you ask yourself whether you
Speaker 1: are descended from an alien hybrid and if there's any interest,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that Time Life will be okay with us.
Speaker 1: Maybe we could quiz each other one day and read
Speaker 1: the questions. It's stuff like do you like thunderstorms? Do
Speaker 1: you have extravertebrae? Nope? And it shows you how to
Speaker 1: account them. It's weird, but well, we'll check it out.
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you enjoy this show, you are you're
Speaker 1: probably aware of that Time Life book series. In the meantime,
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