Speaker 1: Okay, so this is kind of a weird question, but
Speaker 1: have you guys ever been watching a movie or a
Speaker 1: TV show and been shocked to discover that you basically
Speaker 1: are a character or that a character is you? And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the context for me. I recently rewatched Ladybird.
Speaker 1: Have you guys seen Ladybird? M Okay, I have seen it? Yes,
Speaker 1: incredible film credit growick, I love I Actually Francis Hall
Speaker 1: is like one of my favorite movies of all time. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So I was rewatching Ladybird, and I had forgotten Timothy
Speaker 1: Shallow's character in this movie. It is unbelievable. Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know Timothy Shalloway's work that well, but he is
Speaker 1: so good in this. Her friend play no so he
Speaker 1: plays the second love interest, so she's basically she's got.
Speaker 1: She falls in love with Lucas Hedges. He's an incredible actor. God,
Speaker 1: he's so good. She falls in love with him and
Speaker 1: and they actually have like a relationship, but then she
Speaker 1: catches him kissing a guy in the bathroom, so it's
Speaker 1: revealed that she's you know, he's gay. So she then
Speaker 1: pursues the like cool kid who's Timothy Shalomer okay, and
Speaker 1: I have the first time, it was all this movement
Speaker 1: didn't occur to me. Watching this the second time, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh god, that's sixteen year old Rider, he like,
Speaker 1: and I just felt so aware of how do she
Speaker 1: I was at sixteen, like, you guys have to watch
Speaker 1: it now because you will know you will be like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I can see what Rider saw of himself.
Speaker 1: It was just like the most I was so embarrassed
Speaker 1: for myself watching this movie by myself at night point,
Speaker 1: like how did I not see that Timothy Shaloman is
Speaker 1: basically Ride Strong in nineteen ninety six, and it is
Speaker 1: so embarrassing for you know, good and bad, Like he's
Speaker 1: very confident, he's very cool and like, very self assured
Speaker 1: and very like I would say, he's you know, thinking
Speaker 1: ahead of his time in certain regards. But it's so
Speaker 1: doche and it's played so well that she loves him
Speaker 1: because you're just like, come on, Kat, you see this
Speaker 1: guy for how horribly is which I couldn't at the
Speaker 1: time either. You know, I was beating that guy anyway
Speaker 1: that you're never horrible, no, never a bad person, but
Speaker 1: oh man, you gotta watch this, say I gave anybody
Speaker 1: to know what a rider strong back, you know, And
Speaker 1: this is this is for a very limited time. This
Speaker 1: is that window between like sixteen and seventeen when I
Speaker 1: could drive and I was trying to be at a
Speaker 1: grown up and I wasn't quite there yet, but I,
Speaker 1: you know, read a lot of books and had a
Speaker 1: lot of big ideas about politics and was just showing
Speaker 1: off like, Oh, it's so bad, you'll love it, You'll
Speaker 1: love it. Oh that's so funny. Well, who do you
Speaker 1: have one like that? I don't really, I can't none that.
Speaker 1: I none that popped to mind anyway. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: certainly based my humor on certain characters from television or
Speaker 1: films when I grew up, but I've yet to kind
Speaker 1: of see one and go like, oh, that's me, right,
Speaker 1: because it's um, yeah, I don't. And I have to
Speaker 1: disagree a little bit with you, writer. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think you were ever douchey. I just think
Speaker 1: you were. I didn't even know you. You know you
Speaker 1: you you were it didn't maybe didn't feel like it
Speaker 1: at the time. Maybe you were slightly douchy too, but no,
Speaker 1: I'm sure different reason you have to watch this movie
Speaker 1: because you there will be a there's a shot. He
Speaker 1: even has like similar hair, and it's just so. And
Speaker 1: he's like outside of a coffee shop rolling his own
Speaker 1: cigarettes and talking about philosophy or whatever. And I was
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, Like it was just so.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was it was a healthy recognition.
Speaker 1: It was not like, you know, did he ever like
Speaker 1: study or practice Capeta? Yes, exactly, exactly see, And I
Speaker 1: was probably the guy was talking about how cool Capuetta
Speaker 1: was and how the martial arts not as aggressive. Probably
Speaker 1: a whole thing. You can't defend yourself and you need
Speaker 1: a lot of room to do it. It's great, it's
Speaker 1: hard brands self defense. Oh how about you, Danielle. Have
Speaker 1: you seen a character where it's like that's me? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think that requires a level of enjoying art that
Speaker 1: I just don't have. I feel like, doesn't everybody watch
Speaker 1: Friends and go like, oh, I'm so Monica. I'm sold.
Speaker 1: It is something I wish I were better at. And
Speaker 1: maybe I'll add it to the list of many things
Speaker 1: I haven't great intentions of doing when my current excuse
Speaker 1: is having small children. But maybe I've just always had
Speaker 1: some excuse for why I'm I'm too busy or whatever.
Speaker 1: But um, watching TV and watching TV and movies are
Speaker 1: just not things I do. I I don't if I
Speaker 1: have if I have free time to do something that
Speaker 1: I really want to do. I am reading, I am
Speaker 1: not watching something. I'm not watching a movie, I'm not
Speaker 1: watching television. And yet as a director, I should probably
Speaker 1: be consuming much more media than I am, but I
Speaker 1: just don't. So at least you're reading. Man, that's so
Speaker 1: great reading. Yeah, I love it. Dropped off so much
Speaker 1: every day well, and I wish I was reading more.
Speaker 1: But the truth is I have such limited free and downtime,
Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons I do enjoy traveling
Speaker 1: so much, because I will make it a priority in
Speaker 1: my day when I travel, or nothing better to do
Speaker 1: on a plane than read content. So we have to
Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit, Danielle, because we're we're
Speaker 1: gonna be s We're gonna be sitting next to each other,
Speaker 1: you and I on the flying back this weekend. Are
Speaker 1: you expecting to talk? I'm just I'm just curious. I
Speaker 1: got to put that in my head. In no, no,
Speaker 1: we you don't even have enough about each other at
Speaker 1: this point. To where we can take a good six
Speaker 1: hour break. Don't you think I actually should I sit
Speaker 1: behind him, just because I didn't want you to think
Speaker 1: that there was any possibility I was going to want
Speaker 1: to talk, and I thought, and I don't think Will's
Speaker 1: gonna want to talk, but I don't want him to
Speaker 1: think I'm sitting next to him because I'm gonna talk.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you're not sitting behind me. So and
Speaker 1: be like, oo, hi, the person behind me keeps kicking
Speaker 1: my chair, my little legs. That don't the whole time
Speaker 1: of God's kind of a letter on the plane. Okay, no,
Speaker 1: don't even look at me. Well, don't even look. I
Speaker 1: might give me a thumbs up occasionally something like that,
Speaker 1: just to let you know we're all good. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to probably be like, excuse me, I got
Speaker 1: go potty. Yeah, that'll be. You prefer the window or
Speaker 1: the aisle, because I know you like the aisle because
Speaker 1: I'm taking the window and I prefer the window. So
Speaker 1: perfect worked out? Well, um, well, welcome to pod Meet's world.
Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm right or strong, and I'm Wilfrid
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Speaker 1: writers strong right now, I would say this show sounds
Speaker 1: very cool. Welcome to this episode. We are recapping season two,
Speaker 1: episode fifteen, Breaking Up is Really Really Hard to Do
Speaker 1: It originally aired January twenty seventh, nineteen ninety five, and
Speaker 1: I thought this synopsis is one of my favorites that
Speaker 1: we've ever read on the show, just because I think
Speaker 1: it does a good job of explaining how kind of
Speaker 1: quirky this episode is. Corey asks Wendy out on a
Speaker 1: date for a couple's night, and now she won't leave
Speaker 1: him alone. Eric is banned from dating until his grades
Speaker 1: pick up, while Phoene and Turner play racquetball. Okay, pretty
Speaker 1: much summed it up though, Okay, yeah, I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: a bold statement. Oh, this is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: episodes of the series so far. Great. This is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes of this series. I laughed out
Speaker 1: loud several times. I rewound things we were all starting
Speaker 1: to hit our groove. It was absurd. It was wonderful,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite episodes so far. I mean, that's good,
Speaker 1: cool man. I enjoyed it, but I definitely did not
Speaker 1: think it was one of our best step I thought
Speaker 1: it was great, loved it. Yeah, yeah, I also enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Um I wouldn't say it's in I think it's one
Speaker 1: of the best episodes, but I definitely enjoyed it. And
Speaker 1: obviously the one it's finally we're here they want you
Speaker 1: to take the roles is here. Yeah. I could have
Speaker 1: watched an entire episode of those characters in that makeup
Speaker 1: like that. I could that easily could have been a
Speaker 1: spin off episode. Yep. So funny and so great. I
Speaker 1: understand why people love it so much. Um So, this
Speaker 1: episode was directed by je McCracken, which this is the
Speaker 1: first jun David Trainer episode. This is the first McCracken episode.
Speaker 1: I thought, so too. Yeah, okay, good, that's so interesting
Speaker 1: because I actually felt aware of something being different and yeah,
Speaker 1: that's especially in the kitchen scene with with with U
Speaker 1: Ben and that's so funny. Okay, yes, so our first
Speaker 1: non David Trainer episode. It was written by Mark Blutman
Speaker 1: and Howard Buskang, and It guest starred Jason Marsden as
Speaker 1: Jason Mark Jensen, Jessica Wesson, who we saw in Pairing
Speaker 1: Off earlier in the season. She comes back as Wendy
Speaker 1: Jansen slash Old Wendy, Katie Barnhill as Lorie, Katie Johnston
Speaker 1: as Bonnie, and Musetta Vander as Dominique. She played a
Speaker 1: siren in Oh Brother, Where Art thou? By the way? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: So to jump into our recap, we are at Chubby's.
Speaker 1: Corey is reading a dinner party invitation that says couples only,
Speaker 1: and he says it's discrimination against people like Sean and him,
Speaker 1: people who are living the single life. And then the
Speaker 1: camera pans over to show Sean, who is making out
Speaker 1: with a girl. Writer's first right on kiss screens. Now,
Speaker 1: the only thing that might throw out. I was on
Speaker 1: a show called Davis Rules, Remember that, Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: played a character named Timmy the Lip, and I was
Speaker 1: I was in trouble for kissing girls. I know that
Speaker 1: that's the story, but I don't think I actually kissed
Speaker 1: a girl on the show. So this is probably this moment,
Speaker 1: and this is why I think I've often I've I've
Speaker 1: said during Q and a's and stuff, how awkward it
Speaker 1: is when you meet an extra right and you had
Speaker 1: making out with them. And I think that's why that's
Speaker 1: ingrained as like the because that's what happened here. She
Speaker 1: doesn't have any line, right, she's not. Yeah, she was
Speaker 1: actually wouldn't have been there all week, so it would
Speaker 1: have been like me pretending to make out with somebody
Speaker 1: all week and then literally moments before they filmed up
Speaker 1: being like this is so and so right, you know,
Speaker 1: meet and now you're going to be making out. So
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember that moment. I remember being paralyzed
Speaker 1: and terrified, and now to realize it was also my
Speaker 1: first on screen kiss, not just ye need somebody and
Speaker 1: kiss them, but yeah, I thought that same thing. I
Speaker 1: was like, there, he is, there, he's doing he's kissing
Speaker 1: a girl. He's kissing a girl. Yeah, yep, and within
Speaker 1: a great vest. You're back to multiple layers vest again.
Speaker 1: Pretty great. Yeah, that's multiple layers. Go ahead, no, no,
Speaker 1: by all means, please let you say it. Well, no,
Speaker 1: there's an erection reference. Thank you for saying it so
Speaker 1: that I don't have to. Yeah, you're joke about is
Speaker 1: about an erection. Remember in health class and we learned
Speaker 1: about blood moving through the body. I understand that now,
Speaker 1: I understand that. Now that's how I just took that
Speaker 1: as like my heart was racing. I do that's as
Speaker 1: an erection reference. Absolutely, I'm watching it was like, ye, sure,
Speaker 1: did weird? Yep? Exactly exactly. Sean says Corey can ask
Speaker 1: a girl and then they can all go No big deal.
Speaker 1: He points out Wendy and tells Corey to go ask
Speaker 1: her out and do what he does with girls, not
Speaker 1: think at all. Corey walks up to Wendy and invites
Speaker 1: her to the party, but she says it's for couples
Speaker 1: only and that Corey looks like he's just looking for
Speaker 1: a date, not a relationship. Corey says, no, if that's
Speaker 1: not the case. So Wendy says, there are a couple now,
Speaker 1: and she's going to go tell all of her friends.
Speaker 1: He says he'll do the same thing, and he goes
Speaker 1: to tell Sean and he says, look, I love this
Speaker 1: scene because it's just you see all the problems coming right.
Speaker 1: It's just like the slow train wreck watching Corey. But
Speaker 1: it's also completely understandable that Corey would be like, I
Speaker 1: want to be a couple, sure, Like, please, you'll go
Speaker 1: with me to this thing. I just love I love
Speaker 1: the writing. I love that we've know Corey so well
Speaker 1: at this point that he's like gonna be stoked and
Speaker 1: agree to all of this and then yeah, and that
Speaker 1: Sean sets him up for all of the problems without
Speaker 1: realizing what a catastrophe it's going to be. Later. He also,
Speaker 1: it's very real because when you're in seventh or eighth,
Speaker 1: your relationship always lasts a week. For sure, it's a week,
Speaker 1: it's ten days. Oh my god, they've been together a month.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. So the idea that she then instantly wants
Speaker 1: me together forever, it made just something that's totally normal
Speaker 1: into a legitimate problem. It was, Yeah, Well, then we're
Speaker 1: in the Matthews living room and this scene starts with
Speaker 1: Eric saying, look at me, I'm alone, which is just
Speaker 1: related to what Corey said in the scene right before
Speaker 1: look at me, I'm a couple. But it doesn't really
Speaker 1: tie into your storyline at all at all. And that
Speaker 1: was one thing I noticed about it. Yeah, yeah, on
Speaker 1: running thing for this entire episode that I did find
Speaker 1: out the scenes just abruptly end, right. There's a number
Speaker 1: of different scenes where it's like, oh that, Oh I
Speaker 1: guess that's over. Oh okay there, Yeah, it's just we're
Speaker 1: on a different scene. It was really weird. Yeah I
Speaker 1: didn't notice that, but maybe that's a directing thing too,
Speaker 1: But you mean more in the terms of the writing,
Speaker 1: like the way it actually jokes. Yeah, it did. It
Speaker 1: did definitely have the feel of like optical flip, but
Speaker 1: the connection between the two optical flips was just someone saying,
Speaker 1: look at me and the next person, I'm a couple,
Speaker 1: look at me, I'm alone. I'm alone. Yeah. It was
Speaker 1: very and it was like, well, and I guess it
Speaker 1: does tie into your storyline of no dating, right, but
Speaker 1: like we haven't gotten there yet. We're we're literally being
Speaker 1: thrown into the scene about your grades and they're about
Speaker 1: ready to tell you that you're not allowed to that
Speaker 1: you're going to have to be alone. So it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a yeah it was a cheat that
Speaker 1: didn't Yeah, it's a little bit of a cheat. Um um.
Speaker 1: But I remember this so I remember my storyline in
Speaker 1: this because this, to me, this episode I can point
Speaker 1: to as kind of the genesis of Eric getting bigger.
Speaker 1: I was wondering if this was this is the one
Speaker 1: I remember the whole thing and I was getting big
Speaker 1: last during the run through with the giggling and stuff
Speaker 1: at the end with it with doing the hair, and
Speaker 1: this is the one where it was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: can take it up a notch. This is because I mean,
Speaker 1: am I thinking? What I was thinking about it was like,
Speaker 1: I really don't like your storyline. I think it's pretty
Speaker 1: stupid and on the nose and vious, but you're so
Speaker 1: good in it and that it's fine, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, but if you took the written
Speaker 1: the scene as written, where like you're saying the things
Speaker 1: that you're saying to is it Dominique? Is that her? Yes,
Speaker 1: the things that you're saying to her while you're getting
Speaker 1: into are just like oh God, but of course you
Speaker 1: deliver it. You know what It's like? Okay? And I
Speaker 1: guarantee you that the writers were like, oh, he could
Speaker 1: do anything, like we could. I guess that's why we can.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite episodes and it's because that good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this started, This started the genesis of Eric being alone nuts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just you know, in general, like I've just because
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't you like the girl craziness is
Speaker 1: funny when it's sophisticated or what it's but like you
Speaker 1: just being like my girls and crime, like it just
Speaker 1: reminds me of like me with the cheerleaders. It's just
Speaker 1: like this one note sort of take that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess it's just like, oh, we have to get behind
Speaker 1: this character sexual frustration. That's what's funny. And I'm just
Speaker 1: always kind of like, isn't that just because they still
Speaker 1: didn't know where Eric was at this point? And that's
Speaker 1: why I can look at this episode and be like,
Speaker 1: all right, now he's just going to be absurd, right
Speaker 1: to start something? Yeah? You know. Yeah. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like David Kendall said when we talked
Speaker 1: to Kendall, we have a Jim carry on our hands.
Speaker 1: This was the moment when that may have been really realized, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: he can literally do anything. He can do vocal humor,
Speaker 1: he can do, physical comedy, he can do like, let's
Speaker 1: just see where else what else we can do, give
Speaker 1: him something else, Let's let's see what's happening. Like you
Speaker 1: really had a big freedom that I think really started
Speaker 1: here too. Yeah, this is an important episode for me
Speaker 1: just as an actor, because it was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: can just kind of say, yeah, this was an absurd
Speaker 1: episode all the way around, and I like and I
Speaker 1: liked the absurdity of it was I was a fan
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, so yeah, I remember this week. Alan
Speaker 1: and Amy tell Eric he can't go out until he
Speaker 1: gets his grades up to letters closer to the top
Speaker 1: of the alphabet. Amy asks Alan, and how can you
Speaker 1: be so cruel to my little baby? And Alan reveals
Speaker 1: it was actually her idea, which is funny. Alan says
Speaker 1: Eric can't rely on his looks, and Eric says all
Speaker 1: he wants to be is a weatherman, which started It's
Speaker 1: also where it started yet the weatherman. Eric says, I
Speaker 1: feel like this this storyline is actually pivotal in the
Speaker 1: sort of Eric developed right, and that you're taking the
Speaker 1: girl crazy factor, which is all we've established about his character,
Speaker 1: and we're pinting it up against his grades, like it's
Speaker 1: you're not you're not going to be so smart if
Speaker 1: you keep focusing on the you know, it's like these
Speaker 1: two impulses, and I think the fact that the character
Speaker 1: is not going to be that smart is going to
Speaker 1: become the fun Yeah, so yeah, it's interesting. Eric says
Speaker 1: to consider his counter argument, and then he just cries,
Speaker 1: don't take away my girls. Strange. And then we're in
Speaker 1: the school hallway. Wendy is waiting for Corey outside of
Speaker 1: his classroom and she tells him that spending this week
Speaker 1: with him has been the best week of her life.
Speaker 1: Corey agrees, he tries to leave, and then she asks
Speaker 1: him what he's doing this summer. Wendy says she's looking
Speaker 1: forward to spending the summer together, and Corey responds that
Speaker 1: they should wait to see how the spring goes. First,
Speaker 1: the bell rings and Corey is heading off to his
Speaker 1: next class. Wendy knows he's off to chemistry, which shocks him.
Speaker 1: She knows his entire schedule. As he leaves, she asks
Speaker 1: if he's forgetting anything, and Corey checks his zipper, which
Speaker 1: gets a big laugh from the audience and Wendy was
Speaker 1: alluding to a kiss. They peck and he walks away.
Speaker 1: Well now also before that before oh, I know, I
Speaker 1: bet you're going to say the same thing. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that is a very bizarre moment to have come back yep, okay,
Speaker 1: do we think I have a couple theories. One is
Speaker 1: it a conscious reference to straight in to call? Two
Speaker 1: is it a completely unconscious beat where like our writers
Speaker 1: just have this idea of like a woman straight into
Speaker 1: this callar that's cute, it'll be people in relationships do
Speaker 1: and it just happened. Or is it this like interesting
Speaker 1: like echo. Maybe both can be true, right like, because
Speaker 1: to me I immediately was like whoa that was like
Speaker 1: a that was the end or there was the end
Speaker 1: of boy Boy Meets Girl episode, like a whole episode
Speaker 1: about like how he feels about Topanga with her straightening
Speaker 1: his caller. I don't know. It seems like it needed
Speaker 1: to be referenced or acknowledged. I kind of think it
Speaker 1: was done on purpose, but I could be wrong. I
Speaker 1: mean I wrote it down like that's a that's a
Speaker 1: Topanga thing right there, and I'm wondering if they did
Speaker 1: that on purpose. I don't know. I think it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of both. I think writer, it is exactly
Speaker 1: what you said where it's a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: I think it is an slightly outdated idea our writers
Speaker 1: had about um female affection coming out as a maternal
Speaker 1: like in a maternal sense, where when a woman likes you,
Speaker 1: she wants she takes care of you in that way
Speaker 1: and in a maternal way makes you more presentable rum
Speaker 1: And in with that, I think it is a callback
Speaker 1: to the last time we saw a girl take care
Speaker 1: of him in this way, which was Topanga. So I
Speaker 1: think it's I think it was both interesting. I think
Speaker 1: it speaks to something I I was flabbergasted by this
Speaker 1: whole episode about, which is that this this episode is
Speaker 1: clearly played for a joke, right, like she's nuts, she's crazy,
Speaker 1: But actually what happens or what she's crazy about is
Speaker 1: the Corey Topanga storyline. I said that at the end
Speaker 1: of the episode, I said, my number one confusion is
Speaker 1: why did that? Why did Corey become Wendy? Yes, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's what I think is so interesting that in
Speaker 1: some ways it's like you had to have this storyline
Speaker 1: and order for Corey and Topanga to be okay? Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? Like like once we had made fun
Speaker 1: of the idea that you how ridiculous it would it
Speaker 1: be if the person you met in whatever grade right
Speaker 1: becomes your you know, your love of your life and
Speaker 1: you end up having kids together. But like that seriousness,
Speaker 1: almost psychotic level of seriousness that Corey has later on
Speaker 1: in the show, and I believe to Panga has two
Speaker 1: to a certain degree, is what is being made fun
Speaker 1: of in this episode, right, And so in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways, it's sort of like a release vow for it, like, well,
Speaker 1: she's crazy, And then then we know that Corey's actually
Speaker 1: serious about it, and that that he's not just crazy,
Speaker 1: he really does understand love because he didn't. He didn't.
Speaker 1: He wasn't Wendy, right, He wasn't like just as as
Speaker 1: baddy as she was. He really knows that he into Panga.
Speaker 1: But that's kind of a cheat, that's kind of a
Speaker 1: weird distinction with that. I also didn't think she was
Speaker 1: all that crazy, Like I think they could have ramped
Speaker 1: up the crazy a little bit. No, I mean certain things.
Speaker 1: You get a girl who's in the seventh grade, who's
Speaker 1: with the first relationships. He's in the idea of thinking
Speaker 1: about we might get married or we might do this. Oh,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I doodled always names all over
Speaker 1: my journey, but I just knew not to say it
Speaker 1: out loud. I know, But that doesn't It wasn't like
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought if they were going to go
Speaker 1: absurd crazy, they could have really done some like they
Speaker 1: could have gone absurd crazy as opposed to just like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing this summer because we're gonna have
Speaker 1: fun and our kids are you know, It's like that's
Speaker 1: kind of like normal crazy. Yeah, I'm okay with it,
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess I liked all of that, especially
Speaker 1: I like when Betsy was fine with it. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: when Betsy turns at the end of that scene it
Speaker 1: goes beep beep beep. I was like, really now, first assessment,
Speaker 1: which was like, she's playing house. This is huge, right.
Speaker 1: That's why that's why the crazy didn't make sense to me,
Speaker 1: because it's like, I mean, I think crazy should have
Speaker 1: been more immediate, you know, the same way that TK
Speaker 1: is crazy was immediate. TK gets him all the roses
Speaker 1: and does all these things in the immediate that are like, whoa,
Speaker 1: that's actually crossing the line, you know you buy stakes,
Speaker 1: But in this case, she's just fantasizing that's agree. And
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. That's why I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was all that all that nuts. But I also one
Speaker 1: of the things I loved about the episode was the
Speaker 1: fact it seemed it seemed like our show. It seemed
Speaker 1: like we all were in our bodies, we all had
Speaker 1: our characters down, we all knew what we were doing,
Speaker 1: and it kind of seemed like an episode of Boy
Speaker 1: Means All. To me. It just I had that moment
Speaker 1: of Sean Sean and Corey's Corey and the parents are
Speaker 1: the parents, Eric's Eric, Like, it seems like we don't
Speaker 1: even Phoenie, the Phoene storyline of that kind of you know,
Speaker 1: uh underhanded feene a little bit. It all just felt
Speaker 1: right to me, funny, that's great. Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you're probably feeling it even more because it was probably
Speaker 1: in some part of your brain where you also really
Speaker 1: clicked in. I totally hear what you're saying. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can see that. Yeah, that's cool. I also think going back,
Speaker 1: just really briefly, I don't I don't want to do
Speaker 1: on this too long, but going back really briefly to
Speaker 1: the differences between like what Corey and Tapanga became and
Speaker 1: Wendy and Corey in the scene or in the show. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess the argument on the opposite side would be, well,
Speaker 1: Corey ought to know to Panga or Corey got knows
Speaker 1: to Panga over the course of many years, so that
Speaker 1: by the time he is like, this is going to
Speaker 1: be my person. We're spending our entire lives together. It's
Speaker 1: it's like he really knows her, as opposed to Wendy
Speaker 1: does not truly know Corey. This is just the first
Speaker 1: person she's been in a relationship with, and she's already
Speaker 1: decided and she's taking it to this extreme. What if
Speaker 1: he is not actually what if you guys don't have
Speaker 1: enough shared interests, what if you don't actually like him?
Speaker 1: Like that's what you're supposed to discover upon dating, is
Speaker 1: like do I like this person? Really? And you don't
Speaker 1: really get to know someone that quickly. You think you do,
Speaker 1: but you don't, and so but then the other My
Speaker 1: other thing about Corey and t Penga is like a
Speaker 1: lot of the arguments for why we thought we should
Speaker 1: have stayed together was just because well we had so
Speaker 1: much time under our belts with shared history, like so,
Speaker 1: well we've already been together for seven years, and truthfully,
Speaker 1: that can be a terrible reason to stay in a
Speaker 1: relationship with someone. Like also, isn't there a lot of
Speaker 1: we're meant to be together conversation like you're the one
Speaker 1: for me, yeah, which is kind of on both ends.
Speaker 1: It's just both a dead end argument, right, that's just
Speaker 1: like oh that we were supposed to be together there, Okay,
Speaker 1: we can't we can't finish it, like we can't debate that,
Speaker 1: Like it's just we meant to be together, destiny. It's
Speaker 1: also in the episodes later on with Linda where with
Speaker 1: Linda Cardelini where we break up, he says, you know,
Speaker 1: other people may have had doubts, but I've never had
Speaker 1: doubts or something like that, or one of us says
Speaker 1: we've never had doubts, and I'm like, really yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's way more Wendy than Wendy to me, like that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff later that later stuff where that's where
Speaker 1: those are like red flag stuff where it's like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not good, yeah to Panga not going to Yale
Speaker 1: with it. I mean, like it gets really have a
Speaker 1: different perspective on it. I know, I got I got
Speaker 1: hate online when I was online because I flat out
Speaker 1: said somebody tweeted something was Lisa Simpson. It was a
Speaker 1: meme of Lisa Simpson lying in bed wide awake in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night and it said lying awake
Speaker 1: at night, not like unable to believe that Topanga chose
Speaker 1: Yale or chose Corey over Yale. And I wrote, I
Speaker 1: like retweeted in and wrote, yeah, she chose wrong or
Speaker 1: something like that, and it was like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: And even Michael came in and he did the whole
Speaker 1: lyrics from that, U don't know nothing about history, don't
Speaker 1: know nothing about biology, you know, but I do know
Speaker 1: that I love you kind of thing. And it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: but she could have gone to Yale. So it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's well for sixteen years from now. Six So a
Speaker 1: nearby mister Phoene reminds mister Turner that mid term grades
Speaker 1: are due next Friday, and Turner says he's thinking of
Speaker 1: giving giving everyone a's it's just easier. Phoene notices mister
Speaker 1: Turner's athletic bag and says he was a great squash
Speaker 1: player back in the day. Mister Turner asks what that
Speaker 1: has to do with racquetball. Mister Turner says squash and
Speaker 1: raccketball are almost the same and asks mister Feeney if
Speaker 1: he wants to play tomorrow, that'll give him enough time
Speaker 1: to get a doctor's note. Turner tie in this I
Speaker 1: noticed was is that all you noticed was the turner tie.
Speaker 1: Did you not also notice the rodeo sized belt he
Speaker 1: was wearing. No, I did not look like he had
Speaker 1: one some sort of a contest and he had this
Speaker 1: giant belt buckle thing on. Yeah, it was very funny.
Speaker 1: But I notice your wardrobe later kind of starting to
Speaker 1: look like Tony's. You had the tight in with the belt. Yes, okay.
Speaker 1: I was like, uh, will probably friends with Tony in
Speaker 1: real life? Probably, And I bet you they were giving
Speaker 1: you wardrobe and you were tucking it in and put
Speaker 1: your belt front and center. I always dressed the way
Speaker 1: they told me to, like they would write on my
Speaker 1: thing green shirt, tuck in right, So I never picked out.
Speaker 1: I just noticed how unbelievably skinny you are. I'm so thin,
Speaker 1: and I think still getting thinner. I know you really
Speaker 1: do you? Well, there was you're crossing as the hallway
Speaker 1: and I was like, this boy turned sideways and he disappears. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're that thin on camera, then you're really thin
Speaker 1: in person. Yeah, because like that camera, adding ten pounds
Speaker 1: is no joke. Um Phoenie agrees. The game is on.
Speaker 1: Laurie comes up behind Eric at his locker and he
Speaker 1: tries to avoid her. Why just because he can't go
Speaker 1: out on dates? Is that's not allowed apparently to even
Speaker 1: look or speak to a person. I know he can
Speaker 1: still talk to her. It's so think talk about too.
Speaker 1: I mean she like also she has somebody on back end.
Speaker 1: She has a plan beat immediately, fine, I'll ask whatever
Speaker 1: his name was to come in the hot time. It's like, geez,
Speaker 1: that's yikes. Is high school like that even back in
Speaker 1: the day? Was it that? Like? No, it's ridiculous this
Speaker 1: storyline because it's so like it's so like, let's set
Speaker 1: up a joke where Eric can't have girls. Okay, well
Speaker 1: how do we make that funny? Oh? The girls are
Speaker 1: throwing themselves at him, and it's just dumb. It's just
Speaker 1: like I didn't think it was done. I thought it was.
Speaker 1: It's like he can't have It's like you're taking away
Speaker 1: as his toy, Eric's toy, which all they set up
Speaker 1: for him was girls. Right, so we're gonna take it
Speaker 1: away from right of course, But again, that's what they've made.
Speaker 1: That's that's Eric's thing. It's all they have. They've given
Speaker 1: him one note up until this point. That's one thing girls,
Speaker 1: that's it. So it's like, all right, now we've we've
Speaker 1: established that. Now let's take it away for comedy. It's
Speaker 1: that's all they've got at this point, I know. So
Speaker 1: it's yeah, that's where I think it's it's two. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: that's why it's growing, thankfully. That's why that's why I
Speaker 1: liked this episode so much, because I was like, this
Speaker 1: is where it starts. This is where all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's going to start getting more Eric, which is what Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we always said we've been from the beginning of
Speaker 1: the podcast. We're like, I wonder where we're gonna be
Speaker 1: able to point to the like this is where it starts,
Speaker 1: it's this, this is where it started. So I'm happy
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, hopefully the notes will be different from
Speaker 1: this point on. But yeah, no, I agree, it's he's
Speaker 1: totally one note. It's all he's got. No, I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about you, I'm talking no, no no, no, no, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the character. No, I'm talking about the character too. Though.
Speaker 1: There they always write to something with girls, that's all
Speaker 1: it is. Every phone call, every conversation, right, but you
Speaker 1: can write to that interestingly and I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily mind that that's like a major component. This is
Speaker 1: just one one note storytelling. This is literally like we're
Speaker 1: going to take away girls and then how do we
Speaker 1: make that hard or interesting or funny or whatever? And
Speaker 1: the story it's the it's the b story of let's
Speaker 1: you know, how do we have some laughs? For five pages?
Speaker 1: We're having something to do with girls with Eric will
Speaker 1: make it absurd. He ends up getting his hair done
Speaker 1: by a pretty girl. It's it is, it's ridiculous, but
Speaker 1: it's that's what you hatition hair and girls. This is
Speaker 1: clearly it is. Our writers were sitting back, what do
Speaker 1: we like? We like getting our hair done? Yes, I know.
Speaker 1: I felt like this episode told me a lot about
Speaker 1: how the male writer's thought about getting haircuts. Yep, there's
Speaker 1: never anything central about I mean, it feels nice, especially
Speaker 1: when you're getting your hair shampooed. But no, it's not sensual.
Speaker 1: It's just like a scout massage. Well tell that to
Speaker 1: the writing staff. I think it's very essential for some people,
Speaker 1: is it really? Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get a
Speaker 1: name before we leave them Laurie's been doing my hair
Speaker 1: since I was seventeen. There's nothing sential. She just does
Speaker 1: my hair. So I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 1: to call out any days, but I definitely I have
Speaker 1: a very clear story of a certain person who achieved
Speaker 1: their first orgasm getting ahead massage and and and it
Speaker 1: became like a thing like they were there. Then they
Speaker 1: started basically cheating on their HUD because they would go
Speaker 1: pay for a head massage and that was how they
Speaker 1: could someone we know. No, no, okay, okay, too personal.
Speaker 1: No no, no, okay, that's oh this is like somebody
Speaker 1: we knew. No, No, this was a this was a
Speaker 1: woman later in life discovered this thing wow about herself. Okay, interesting, Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: Laurie tells him her parents are out of town, and
Speaker 1: Will squeals and asks if he wants to come over
Speaker 1: to adjust the temperature of the hot tub. Will squeals again.
Speaker 1: Eric says if she has any feelings for him, then
Speaker 1: she should go home and get ugly, and then he
Speaker 1: bangs his head against his locker. Laurie walks away, and
Speaker 1: Jason arrives and jokingly tells Eric he heard Eric's signal
Speaker 1: and came as quickly as he could. Eric says he's
Speaker 1: going nuts and he can't study because he's just thinking
Speaker 1: about girls, and he can't go out unless he gets
Speaker 1: his grades up. As an example of his girl craziness,
Speaker 1: he thumbs through his book and calls Leonardo da Vinci,
Speaker 1: a raven haired beauty. Jason says he knows of a
Speaker 1: dating substitute. Eric tries to ignore it, but then screams,
Speaker 1: tell me, and then they end up at the hair salon.
Speaker 1: Jason says his girl dating substitute is a haircut. Eric
Speaker 1: doesn't understand why until he sees Dominique, the beautiful hairdresser.
Speaker 1: Eric starts slurring in his name and his overall giggly.
Speaker 1: Jason says Eric needs a scalp treatment, and Dominique starts
Speaker 1: to rub his head and Eric is in weirdo heaven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll say, do you remember this guest actress? I do,
Speaker 1: I mean vaguely. I remember that she was very funny
Speaker 1: and that we would sit there and talk a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, not much about her, but she was play
Speaker 1: off each other so well. Yeah, especially the next scene
Speaker 1: and the tea. She was very nice. But I just
Speaker 1: remember this whole scene was kind of like the bigger
Speaker 1: I went, I was starting to correlate the idea that
Speaker 1: the bigger I went, the bigger the laugh was. And
Speaker 1: it was it. That's I was just kind of making
Speaker 1: these realizations like the jumping over the wall and the
Speaker 1: last scene and going to tell me, I mean that
Speaker 1: was all stuff. I think that was like second and
Speaker 1: third take stuff where I just went bigger with it
Speaker 1: and bigger with it right, and it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is working, and if I do this, I'm getting
Speaker 1: bigger laughs and I'm reading it's it's it's when you
Speaker 1: start to realize that you're in a symbiotic relationship with
Speaker 1: the audience, or or during during the week at least
Speaker 1: with the producers and the director, were you know, Oh,
Speaker 1: if I'm reading them right and then adjusting my performance
Speaker 1: to what I'm reading, then all of a sudden, we're
Speaker 1: both getting more out of this than we were if
Speaker 1: we were just if I'm just in my head as
Speaker 1: an actor. So it was that this was the episode
Speaker 1: where I started to listen to the audience, read the audience,
Speaker 1: what did they like, what is it? What's working? And
Speaker 1: I just distinctly remember everything kind of being different from
Speaker 1: me after this episode, So maybe that you're right, You're
Speaker 1: probably right. It's probably I'm I'm ignoring the negatives and
Speaker 1: just kind of looking at from a selfish standpoint. Well
Speaker 1: that and frankly the scenes later are just wasting further. Man,
Speaker 1: I think the negative is why you came out this
Speaker 1: way because I think they didn't make you enough. I
Speaker 1: don't think they wrote a very funny scene, and I
Speaker 1: think you made it funny and I made you were
Speaker 1: given the line, you know, Eric walks away then turns
Speaker 1: around and says tell me or whatever, and you cranked
Speaker 1: it up to eleven, made it what is a very
Speaker 1: simplistic turnaround into a very original any moment you're over
Speaker 1: a ledge, you know. So I think that like maybe
Speaker 1: I don't remember they wrote sophomorically and you made it funny,
Speaker 1: and I think that you know, that sealed your fate,
Speaker 1: which was like, oh we can write, we can rely
Speaker 1: on this person as an actor, and we can just
Speaker 1: set up funny situations and Will's going to make them funny.
Speaker 1: We don't need to, you know, And I think that
Speaker 1: that's great, Like, but but I think it's because the writing.
Speaker 1: But there was some note. I mean, I I just
Speaker 1: think they remember, and we'll get to that at the end.
Speaker 1: There were there were some things they threw in so
Speaker 1: and I don't want to take credit for something that
Speaker 1: I didn't do, So I don't know how much of
Speaker 1: it was directed, um, and how much of it was notes,
Speaker 1: and how much of it was me just kind of
Speaker 1: doing well. That's also another point where worth mentioning he's
Speaker 1: Jeff McCracken is directing for a friend who went on
Speaker 1: to direct a lot and become one of our closest friends.
Speaker 1: So just a change in director for the first time
Speaker 1: for you ever. I mean, we had the John Tracy
Speaker 1: and the pilot, but for you, that might have changed
Speaker 1: your comfort level, you know, whatever reason. He might have
Speaker 1: had a different rapport with Jeff or a different he
Speaker 1: might have opened up something or said something that was
Speaker 1: a suggestion. It's great, absolutely, yeah, that's absolutely possible. Yeah
Speaker 1: it was. It was interesting though. So then we're in
Speaker 1: the school cafeteria. New girl alert Bunny asks Corey to
Speaker 1: help her with English homework and he says he's busy.
Speaker 1: Corey tells Sean, who is in You're finally in the
Speaker 1: incredibly iconic Atlas, holding a heart shirt yeah, so what
Speaker 1: I decided to call it. Yes, you the shirt all
Speaker 1: the time. I think you wore it more than like
Speaker 1: any other shirt on the show. And I think maybe
Speaker 1: you also borrowed it for personal life maybe or maybe
Speaker 1: you know, got another one. No, it's just it just
Speaker 1: became the show. I don't know. I mean, I do
Speaker 1: like the shirt, but it's very christian Ish looking too,
Speaker 1: and I think that's part of you think that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. I literally thought I described it
Speaker 1: when I said it out loud. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: there's the shirt, and you know, producer Jensen Cart, husband
Speaker 1: of this podcast, was like, oh, what do we want
Speaker 1: to call the shirt? And I was like, it's it's Atlas,
Speaker 1: but instead of the world on his shoulders, he's got
Speaker 1: a heart on his shoulders. So I didn't associate it
Speaker 1: with Christianity or a cross or anything. I don't think
Speaker 1: it actually is Christian, but from in my mind, like
Speaker 1: when whenever I think about him, like it has kind
Speaker 1: of a vague league well, because his arms are up,
Speaker 1: it does kind of look like Jesus on a cross,
Speaker 1: but I actually legs crossed the way that Jesus like
Speaker 1: the same way too. Maybe I feel like it's the
Speaker 1: weight of the world, way of this heart, the wheat
Speaker 1: exactly the weight of the bleeding heart, which is actually
Speaker 1: very appropriate for Sean. That's why I think it. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: Corey tells Sean, who is in his iconic Atlas shirt,
Speaker 1: that the fifth girl from their class to ask him
Speaker 1: for help, and Sean asks Corey if he's clueless. They
Speaker 1: don't want help with homework. They want Corey, Sean says,
Speaker 1: because he's off the market, girls want him more. Corey
Speaker 1: says he's been with Wendy for a week, and Shawan says,
Speaker 1: to break up a week is too long. Suddenly she'll
Speaker 1: start waiting outside his class. She'll know his schedule, and
Speaker 1: eventually she'll even ask what he's doing this summer break up?
Speaker 1: Break up and me with the soda can get Coca
Speaker 1: Cola for the first time. Yeah, my friend soda can
Speaker 1: acting sa Corey nervously responds, what a loser, uh? And
Speaker 1: then we are into mister Turner's classroom. Sean asks Cory
Speaker 1: if he's had the breakup. And then we're into mister
Speaker 1: Turner's classroom. Sean asks Corey if he has the breakup
Speaker 1: note and Corey says he does. He just wants to
Speaker 1: wait for the perfect time. Sean says she knows the
Speaker 1: breakup is coming. She h, she probably wants it even
Speaker 1: more than he does. But then Wendy walks in and
Speaker 1: gives Corey the gift of sucks. Mister Turner reads some
Speaker 1: poems the students turned in and starts with Shawn's poem
Speaker 1: called Welfare, Shawn's first poem. Yes, I know, I'm guessing
Speaker 1: you didn't write this one at this point. This one
Speaker 1: wasn't yours. But I just didn't realize that we had
Speaker 1: already done. I think this is our second poetry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because we did the whole poetry reading and
Speaker 1: now uh And I was like, well, Keith's character is
Speaker 1: into poetry. We've mentioned that before, so it's not you know,
Speaker 1: we have had the poetry reading, and then we have
Speaker 1: another character who's into poetry. And now this is Sean's
Speaker 1: first poem. We hear, um, it is all about things
Speaker 1: Sean's family buys with their welfare checks. And that's when
Speaker 1: Corey hands Wendy the breakup. Noel, I should I read
Speaker 1: the poem of your counsel? I thought, and I thought,
Speaker 1: Ben I thought Ben was was really good in the
Speaker 1: scene too, which just like they you need the Nope,
Speaker 1: I can't I get the nope? Can I get the
Speaker 1: note back? I know? Very good. Uh So, when Corey
Speaker 1: hands Wendy the breakup note, mister Turner pulls out Wendy's
Speaker 1: poem from the pile and it is called leave me
Speaker 1: and I'll die Die. Corey starts the panic and asks
Speaker 1: her for the note back, but Wendy reads the note
Speaker 1: instead of handing it back, and then she storms out crying.
Speaker 1: Mister Turner asks what happened, and Corey says they drank
Speaker 1: a lot of tea during lunch, and Corey runs out
Speaker 1: after her in an enormous button down. This is the
Speaker 1: biggest shirt it's so ever seen. Yeah, it's on a
Speaker 1: person in my life. It makes him look like he's
Speaker 1: this tall because it goes down to his knees, basically huge.
Speaker 1: It is enormous. Yes, he looks like a kindergartener in
Speaker 1: a smock. Yes he does. It's crazy. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but like it made Corey feel
Speaker 1: like a little little boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course
Speaker 1: he looked very small and its yeah because otherwise that
Speaker 1: it does in the next scene is pretty awful, Like
Speaker 1: he basically just lies to her and gaslights her. Obviously
Speaker 1: we're watching that going like but if I take it
Speaker 1: from like, oh, he's a sweet little boy just trying
Speaker 1: to get out of being in trouble, it's cute. I
Speaker 1: also though one of the things I thought was like,
Speaker 1: he does actually exhibit signs of liking Wendy, even though
Speaker 1: there are some of the things that are shocking about
Speaker 1: her asking about the summer and him saying, well, let's
Speaker 1: just see how spring goes it. Truly is peer pressure
Speaker 1: from Sean that makes him want to break up, and
Speaker 1: that's what I wish he said. That's why can't you
Speaker 1: just say that? He's like, I'm so sorry, I do
Speaker 1: want to be in a couple with you. I just
Speaker 1: did it because of Sean. End of scene. But it's
Speaker 1: lies to her and says, should not let me change
Speaker 1: the note in front of you. I just wrote it,
Speaker 1: which is a complete lie and a bad argument. And
Speaker 1: then we're supposed to buy that she buys that, like
Speaker 1: it was like she wants to buy it, wants it
Speaker 1: could have been so much easier, Like I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: actually just was listening to Sean, and she would have
Speaker 1: rolled her eyes and been like, Okay, I still want
Speaker 1: to be with you too, Right, we still have the storyline.
Speaker 1: It would have been great but right, and it would
Speaker 1: actually be a real wonderful lesson in how to be
Speaker 1: honest and difficult circumstances for a kid like Yes, but
Speaker 1: this episode ends up going in anyway, which is right,
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, I know, I do wish he
Speaker 1: just said I'm really sorry. I actually really like you.
Speaker 1: I think you're moving a little fast, but I felt
Speaker 1: peer pressure to break up with you. I'm not right.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that either, you know, get
Speaker 1: right here. Especially that just makes Corey too self aware
Speaker 1: too quickly. Yeah, so it's got to be the idea
Speaker 1: that you instantly go to, no girl crying with you,
Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing where if he's already
Speaker 1: knows that, it's like, well I was because of peer pressure,
Speaker 1: and I really want to be with it. It's just
Speaker 1: he's not Corey, you know. It's like he's got to
Speaker 1: do something stupid and then find Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So then we're in the school hallway, Corey says he's
Speaker 1: sorry to Wendy, he didn't mean what he wrote. Wendy
Speaker 1: questions that and reads the note that just says I
Speaker 1: think we should break up, and Corey writes should not
Speaker 1: on the paper and says they should stay together. They hug,
Speaker 1: and Wendy says, I hope our kids turn out as
Speaker 1: sensitive as you, and Corey says, are what? And then
Speaker 1: we're in the Matthews living room. Corey, entering with Shawn,
Speaker 1: says he didn't break up with Wendy, but he's going
Speaker 1: to call her and do it. He just needs a
Speaker 1: couple of days to think things over, and he makes
Speaker 1: his way into the math use kitchen, where we see
Speaker 1: Wendy cook. Yes, and we get another great gasp from
Speaker 1: you guys, and you're in the jacket. Yeah, I've reclaimed
Speaker 1: ye initially yours. I mean, it's so funny to see
Speaker 1: how something like this gasp functions, right, because when you
Speaker 1: have a beat like this, you could put it into
Speaker 1: every context, like, because every sitcom is going to have
Speaker 1: a moment where you see something you didn't expect and
Speaker 1: you freak out about it. So the second you find
Speaker 1: one of these that work, like, I'm so curious how
Speaker 1: long this is gonna last? Because it's obviously became a
Speaker 1: thing for at least two. There is our second time,
Speaker 1: and then I know we did it at least Oh,
Speaker 1: I think doesn't this go all the way through the
Speaker 1: I think Guylate World we did on Girl Meates World. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is yeah, I think this goes. I think this
Speaker 1: is here to stay. Yeah wow, yeah, such a such
Speaker 1: a simple and valuable beat. Right, it's just laugh because
Speaker 1: you're always setting up something like that, like one the
Speaker 1: world could possibly be behind that door. Yeah that's great. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: Wendy is making the Matthews dinner tonight, and we stay
Speaker 1: in the Matthew's kitchen, the family with Lily. Lily's there,
Speaker 1: she's now. They're all having dinner, and Alan compliments Amy
Speaker 1: on the scalllet potatoes, which she says Wendy whipped up
Speaker 1: from scratch when she found out they were Corey's favorite.
Speaker 1: Corey says they should invite Wendy to move in and
Speaker 1: be one. They could all be one big, happy potato
Speaker 1: eating family. Wendy says she doesn't just make potatoes, she
Speaker 1: can also make Belgian waffles. Corey is suddenly impressed and
Speaker 1: asks with whipped cream and strawberries. Wendy says her grandmother
Speaker 1: makes them for her grandfather and they've been together for
Speaker 1: sixty six years, which Corey, who is now creeped out again, responds,
Speaker 1: I'm on an emotional roller coaster. I loved Ben in
Speaker 1: the scene. Yeah, I loved Ben in this I remember
Speaker 1: this scene. Do you guys remember it? Like I remembering
Speaker 1: run through? I remember them discovering all of them? Am
Speaker 1: I not in this episode? Not in the side in
Speaker 1: this episode? Yeah. The second I saw this scene, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, Like I remember this scene
Speaker 1: coming to life and Rusty and Ben, you know, Rusty
Speaker 1: deciding to keep the food on his four floor went outside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of that was discovered during the week of rehearsal,
Speaker 1: and it was just glorious. It was like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is it's such a funny scene and all the dynamics
Speaker 1: and Ben, you know, the flip flopping and it was
Speaker 1: just so good. Like I never remember I remember what
Speaker 1: the second I saw it was like, yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: sitting there watching the scene develop and loving it. You know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought Ben was great. I thought Rusty was great.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, really really good. Yeah. Eric walks in
Speaker 1: with Jason and asks Jason if Dominique has an opening
Speaker 1: for tomorrow. Alan asks where they've been, and Eric blurts out,
Speaker 1: I can get as many haircuts as I want. Amy
Speaker 1: starts to tell Wendy who Eric and Jason are, but
Speaker 1: she interrupts and says Corey has told her all about them.
Speaker 1: She then tells Amy she hopes her and Corey's three
Speaker 1: kids turn out just as wonderful as Amy's. Alan question,
Speaker 1: and Wendy, so you've decided to have three kids? She
Speaker 1: says she wants to keep the tradition alive because both
Speaker 1: her and Corey are one of three. Corey turns quickly
Speaker 1: to Alan and sarcastically says, what do you think of that? Gramps?
Speaker 1: Little asides here were just so good? I know I
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved it. It's got like his hand
Speaker 1: in his hair? So what do you think of that? Group? Like?
Speaker 1: That was so good? So Alan pulls Corey into the
Speaker 1: backyard and just says nutcase. Corey says, you think, and
Speaker 1: then they head back inside the kitchen. Alan asks Wendy
Speaker 1: if she thinks they can have three kids on Corey's
Speaker 1: five dollars a week allowance, but Wendy says no, not yet.
Speaker 1: They still have a lot of growing up to do.
Speaker 1: Morgan asks if Wendy will be her sister someday when
Speaker 1: they get married, and Wendy says, you betcha, and then
Speaker 1: Amy says that's so sweet. Alan realizes that Wendy has
Speaker 1: all the women on her side. Morgan and Wendy then
Speaker 1: go upstairs to play, and Alan asks what the heck
Speaker 1: Corey brought home, But then Corey points to Amy and
Speaker 1: says she lets she let her in. Amy says she's
Speaker 1: just a little girl playing house and if there was
Speaker 1: anything to be concerned about, she would be the first
Speaker 1: one to sound the alarm. Wendy walks back downstairs with
Speaker 1: a picture of Amy and her wedding dress and says
Speaker 1: she hopes she'll get to try it on one day.
Speaker 1: Amy then looks at Alan and makes the beeping alarm sound.
Speaker 1: But see, this is why I think that we could
Speaker 1: have been a better question that yeah, that Wendy asked,
Speaker 1: because I agree. I think the implication is like, oh,
Speaker 1: because now she's asking about her wedding dress, it's over steppy,
Speaker 1: but that's still a little girl playing They wanted to
Speaker 1: make it really absurd. Yeah, she literally should have come
Speaker 1: to the top of the stairs in Amy's wedding bigs.
Speaker 1: You're right, that would have been amazing. I found this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I found this in your closet, Like okay, you're
Speaker 1: going through my closet, like right, But like the fact
Speaker 1: that she saw her in her wedding dressing was you know,
Speaker 1: still playing house. It could have been bigger. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: her coming, her revealing the like, that would have been
Speaker 1: amazing somehow having the actual wedding dress I really would
Speaker 1: have taken it to a great, a great spot. But
Speaker 1: she also then may have needed to be gone for
Speaker 1: a little longer than that. The scene girl drags on forever,
Speaker 1: But man, it really would be so funny. See. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's a better question too, like a more
Speaker 1: psychotic question that would make Amy go, okay, this is
Speaker 1: this is more than just a girl playing dress right,
Speaker 1: but like wanting to wear the dress for the wedding
Speaker 1: is exactly a little girl I know, play dress up. Yeah, agreed, Well,
Speaker 1: then we're back in the school hallway. Mister Turner puts
Speaker 1: down his athletic bag, tired and says he didn't think
Speaker 1: mister Feenie would be so good at racketball, he was
Speaker 1: a hustler. Mister Feenie is proud of himself and takes
Speaker 1: money from mister Turner on the bet he won. Mister
Speaker 1: Feenie leaves and jokingly says he doesn't shoot pool either,
Speaker 1: which I thought Bill was so great readings of all time.
Speaker 1: It's also Bill's real laugh, like, yeah, that little like
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to laugh, but I'm laughing. I can't
Speaker 1: controcte he does that in life, and it was so
Speaker 1: fun to see him sort of breaking as Fioenie into
Speaker 1: his real laugh. And absolutely this moment stood out to
Speaker 1: me as like Bill Daniel's Yeah, but those are the
Speaker 1: moments we would occasionally get with Bill. Yes, like you'd
Speaker 1: every once in a while be like that was just
Speaker 1: pure Bill, and that was I have to say this,
Speaker 1: and I I'm upset with myself that I have to
Speaker 1: say this, because I love all of our background actors.
Speaker 1: They're phenomenal. But I'm now seeing the same seven people
Speaker 1: in every hallway, in every Chubbies everywhere I know. But
Speaker 1: it's a high school. There's supposed to be thousands of
Speaker 1: people there, and it's now like every scene they're featuring
Speaker 1: the same three people behind. Yeah, because they're good. No
Speaker 1: one's question, ain't it eight? But it's like no one
Speaker 1: watching at home was ever like I'm so sick of see.
Speaker 1: But it definitely right after another, and we know that
Speaker 1: we're like, there's Jessica, there's Yours is just constantly scanning
Speaker 1: and recording everything. I love. Yes, you know it's that
Speaker 1: terminator vision that you have. Yeah, exactly, Will's Will, Will's
Speaker 1: glass eye perception. Boy is just on target, telling you so.
Speaker 1: Corey tells Sean what happened at his house with Wendy
Speaker 1: and that he tried to break up with her when
Speaker 1: he walked her home, but then she invited him in
Speaker 1: for cookies and Grandma Jansen played the organ and we
Speaker 1: all sang big Rock Candy Mountain. Corey says she has
Speaker 1: four generations in her house and the men don't say much.
Speaker 1: Sean says he'll come back and get Corey after class,
Speaker 1: and as he walks away, a frozen Corey says, yes, dear,
Speaker 1: I'm very happy. I thought this was a very well
Speaker 1: done transition into all of this, all of this from
Speaker 1: here on out. I just love also that Corey doesn't
Speaker 1: like his succumbing to it. Is the problem like that
Speaker 1: he just okay, Yeah, I'm just this is it. This
Speaker 1: is my life now forever. It's a great choice and
Speaker 1: very unusual right to have a character sort of get
Speaker 1: out of his situation by not He doesn't dig himself
Speaker 1: deeper by doing more. He doesn't digs himself deeper by
Speaker 1: just okay. And yet that's the thing that turns her eventually,
Speaker 1: you know, when he's finally like, no, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: be honest with you about why what I thought now
Speaker 1: that we're together forever? I thought it was super clever.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. So then we enter a Corey dream sequence.
Speaker 1: Corey and Wendy are old together sitting at Chubbies now
Speaker 1: called Minnel's, and they did the most bare minimum to
Speaker 1: try and make you think it was anything other than Chubbies.
Speaker 1: Just minimum. But I also kind of like, if it's
Speaker 1: his fantasy, the only restaurant he can think of is Chubbies.
Speaker 1: I know, That's what I'm saying. It's like he can
Speaker 1: picture and they so they just literally like call it
Speaker 1: something else and sprinkle some few a few things. So
Speaker 1: Corey is stealing the dinner rolls, and we get they
Speaker 1: want the first time he comes back. Yes, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: this scene is just iconic. Corey wearing a wedding ring
Speaker 1: I was looking to see if they put one on
Speaker 1: him is cranky. So Wendy goes and gets prunes for
Speaker 1: him again. I love that. That's she knows him so well.
Speaker 1: She knows he's constipated. She knows his schedule every time.
Speaker 1: Did they do the makeup like? They also gave her
Speaker 1: a body? I know, like they completely modified her. Hips
Speaker 1: are all sticky. Yeah, the makeup was really good. The
Speaker 1: makeup was really good. I don't love the makeup on her,
Speaker 1: but yeah, her it looked a little like but then
Speaker 1: in me the makeup is hysterical. Oh yeah, they did
Speaker 1: a really good job about her. Her body suit. It's
Speaker 1: just oh my god. So then old Sean comes down
Speaker 1: and yees, Corey, is that you? Corey says. Sean knows
Speaker 1: he goes there every day at four thirty for the
Speaker 1: Early Bird Special, and he always asks if it's him.
Speaker 1: Corey says he has always envied Sean because he's dated
Speaker 1: a bunch of women and he's been married to Wendy
Speaker 1: for ninety years. They can barely hear each other, and
Speaker 1: eventually coreyells they watched The Iron three times? Writer, you
Speaker 1: and I crying with how's the fish nice? It was
Speaker 1: we we were howling at your reading. It was so
Speaker 1: we had fun, so much fun with the scene. I
Speaker 1: just remember loving this was just like this is just
Speaker 1: kid acting gold because every kid loves to be an
Speaker 1: old person, every kid loves to imitate old people, and
Speaker 1: so we just did like we thought this was hysterical,
Speaker 1: and I remember Ben and I just having so much
Speaker 1: fun and like I have nothing and then to realize
Speaker 1: that it was also Jeff McCracken's first episode is great
Speaker 1: because I know that that also infused a new energy
Speaker 1: and you gave us more freedom in new ways, you know,
Speaker 1: just a different person. It wasn't we love, but was
Speaker 1: just different. But no, it was like I think, you know,
Speaker 1: when you have a new director and they're saying I
Speaker 1: want you to try something different, you know, or just
Speaker 1: have a different flavor, you suddenly adjust your game and
Speaker 1: to a certain degree. And I feel like Ben and
Speaker 1: I just had so much fun like this, it's the
Speaker 1: funniest thing we had ever done, and we were having
Speaker 1: so much fun doing it, and dare I say it
Speaker 1: might be the funniest thing you guys have done to
Speaker 1: this point. I mean, it really is. It's just so funny.
Speaker 1: It's really funny. It's really funny, and it's it's still
Speaker 1: right in line with the Korey and Seawan relationship. It's
Speaker 1: exactly how I would envision old Korey and old Shan
Speaker 1: to be. It's it really is very well done and
Speaker 1: it's so funny. I also love how they've been together.
Speaker 1: Did he say married or together for ninety years? I
Speaker 1: think he says married for an idear okay, so then
Speaker 1: ly so essentially he's supposed to be like a hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty years old. So Sean says that he is
Speaker 1: jealous of corey situation. But then Sean sees a young
Speaker 1: woman and he leaves Lue. Yeah. Wendy returns with bruns
Speaker 1: and asks Corey if he missed her, and he says
Speaker 1: she hasn't been out of his sight for ninety years.
Speaker 1: She asks if it's been that bad. Corey says no
Speaker 1: and thanks Wendy for giving him a beautiful life and
Speaker 1: nice socks. He reveals the socks from mister Turner's class
Speaker 1: that she gave him earlier ninety years ago. Apparently, and
Speaker 1: he says he's never taken them off. Mister Finnie walks
Speaker 1: over as the waiter and tells Corey to empty his
Speaker 1: pockets of the dinner rolls and everything else he's stealing.
Speaker 1: He tried to steal the sweet and lows again, seeing
Speaker 1: Bill who I loved that in the before I realized
Speaker 1: what was happening. Hasn't aged at all, exactly the same.
Speaker 1: He's exactly the same. I love that. And then we
Speaker 1: are snapped back to reality. In the school hallway, mister
Speaker 1: Finnie is yelling at Corey to wake up from his
Speaker 1: dream and get to class. Corey says he's late. His
Speaker 1: wife is going to be so upset and takes off,
Speaker 1: and then we go back. One of my favorites has
Speaker 1: been throwing all the Sweeten Mows on the table and
Speaker 1: saying I thought things well. First he tries to say
Speaker 1: he wasn't taking the Sweeten Low, No, I don't, and
Speaker 1: then he's like, yes, he do. When he pulls them
Speaker 1: all out, he literally stick it out of his sweater.
Speaker 1: Liked everything good. It is so funny. So then we're
Speaker 1: at Chubby's. Corey gets himself and Wendy burgers without cheese
Speaker 1: and no red meat, just the way she told him
Speaker 1: is healthy for him. It's just rolls. Corey, who seems
Speaker 1: pretty happy now, says when he first asked Wendy out,
Speaker 1: it was just a date for the party, not a
Speaker 1: long lasting relationship. But he's pleasantly into this. And then
Speaker 1: Wendy looks hurt and says it's over because she doesn't
Speaker 1: want their relationship to be based on a lie and
Speaker 1: it's not something she wants to be a part of.
Speaker 1: Corey asks about their three kids, and she says it's
Speaker 1: not important if it's not something they both want. Sean
Speaker 1: walks up just as Wendy leaves and finds out Corey
Speaker 1: is now a free man again and they should go
Speaker 1: out with some twins like you. But Corey says he's
Speaker 1: not going to go because he misses Wendy. Dramatic music. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like ending on this, bizarrely said yes, because it's
Speaker 1: like Corey has invested his imagination and his commitment in this,
Speaker 1: in this girl, and it's like he's going to miss her,
Speaker 1: like he's going to know no matter what. He put
Speaker 1: some time into it, some thought, and that's what said.
Speaker 1: I thought that was great, So the loud room for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I liked it. I liked it too. I thought it
Speaker 1: was very it was very sweet and the fact that
Speaker 1: you know, he was wearing the socks and I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's it's I loved it. And I also, like, you know,
Speaker 1: things don't always end on a happy note, and it's
Speaker 1: nice to acknowledge that. But it's just also, like, you know,
Speaker 1: it would have been so easy to keep the nutcase
Speaker 1: line going, to keep making son of Wendy or that
Speaker 1: she's the problem or she's the weirdo, like, yeah, she's
Speaker 1: not that bad. She's just again a little girl kind
Speaker 1: of you know. And then and he got something out
Speaker 1: of it too, like he learned and maybe missus her. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that was sweet. And then we're in the
Speaker 1: tag in the hair salon. Eric tells Dominique it's over,
Speaker 1: but she said he can't. He's in the book for today.
Speaker 1: Eric starts to argue and says what they did was
Speaker 1: wrong and he has to leave with his head dry.
Speaker 1: Dominique says no one has to know, but then she
Speaker 1: says she's angry and has to be very rough with him.
Speaker 1: Then he caves and gets another scout massage. I do
Speaker 1: not understand what's happening, and I don't either. What is
Speaker 1: going on? Why do you have to break up with her?
Speaker 1: I'm breaking up with her goal because breaking up with
Speaker 1: her because it's I'm I imagine in my head it
Speaker 1: was like I'm essentially seeing prostitute. Yes, because I'm paying
Speaker 1: money every week? Right, But so are your grades back up?
Speaker 1: And now you want to start dating other women? And
Speaker 1: so you feel like you have to leave her because
Speaker 1: why would you not just keep this going? I think
Speaker 1: it's a money Yeah, okay, you remember he needed five
Speaker 1: dollars that one week, So my guess is a good
Speaker 1: haircut in Philly at that time, we're talking sixty seventy bucks.
Speaker 1: You can't come on, I can't. I think it's hysterical dynamic.
Speaker 1: I think it's weird, right, yeah, I love it it.
Speaker 1: But it's the two of you in this scene that
Speaker 1: really makes it work. Like it's just the performances. Keep
Speaker 1: you know that she's you know, it's always fun to
Speaker 1: watch somebody try and get somebody else to do or
Speaker 1: stop doing something. You know, that's just the essence such
Speaker 1: a conflict. I think the absurdity that you guys are
Speaker 1: that you were taking this so seriously and that she's
Speaker 1: going to manipulate you and say whatever it takes to
Speaker 1: get that haircut. It's just it's fun. I agree. Fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying it wasn't a funny scene.
Speaker 1: I just am like there was no mention of like,
Speaker 1: I can't do this, it's cost it's I'm so invested,
Speaker 1: I can't it's expensive, Like there's no there's I'm just
Speaker 1: I kept waiting for there to be. I guarantee you
Speaker 1: in an early draft there was, and they just threw
Speaker 1: it out because funny girl together and it was funny.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, because where does Jason go? You know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he could have no need to have Jason in this
Speaker 1: episode at all. It was like, well he introduces the
Speaker 1: idea of getting a hair somebody else could have done
Speaker 1: that though, I mean there's easier ways to do it,
Speaker 1: where it's like Jason was just kind of wasted. But
Speaker 1: it was fun and ridiculous, and yeah, he's always gonna
Speaker 1: I mean, he's your sidekick when it comes to the
Speaker 1: girls storylines. So yeah, that seems to be maybe maybe
Speaker 1: that's the thing is when they stopped with the Girls,
Speaker 1: storylines is when they stopped with Jason, because yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like now Eric just becomes absurd, so you didn't really
Speaker 1: need that anymore. Well, and I do think that some
Speaker 1: of that is also like what we've talked about before,
Speaker 1: where it's like a likability for even families to be like, well,
Speaker 1: Eric has to be a good boy. He wouldn't know
Speaker 1: about this hairdresser who was the bad influence who brings
Speaker 1: in the hairdresser for him. Yeah, they tried to bring
Speaker 1: in the Eddie Haskell kind of character. So yeah. Interesting. Well,
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