Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the Psychology of your Twenties
Speaker 1: at the Very Unprofessional Podcast, whereby your unqualified guide talk
Speaker 1: through some of the big life transitions in our twenties
Speaker 1: and what they mean for our psychology. Welcome back everyone
Speaker 1: today we have some very special guests. If you'd like
Speaker 1: to introduce you as the office. I'm Maddie and my
Speaker 1: name is Meg. Oh good job. You know, for as
Speaker 1: much as you guys were talking before this, I didn't
Speaker 1: think it was going to be a struggle to say
Speaker 1: your own name. Made was going fast? Contacted? Really? I
Speaker 1: don't if I contact was you are going to go first?
Speaker 1: I thought it was you anyway. Miscommunication, guys, which is
Speaker 1: what we need to talk about. Good segue, Meg, She's um.
Speaker 1: This was kind of a spontaneous episode, basically the Glorious Maddie.
Speaker 1: She's back from Queensland. Excuse me, sorry, well she's back
Speaker 1: from darn but she had to travel through Queensland, Sunshine State,
Speaker 1: the Sunshine Stay, Yeah, to get to Canberra. And the
Speaker 1: other day she got back and she messaged me these
Speaker 1: really questions and it's not really like a typical episode,
Speaker 1: but I thought we'd answer some of them. Maybe we
Speaker 1: should talk about what these questions are. Oh no, I'm
Speaker 1: just an ad on by the way, thanks for yeah
Speaker 1: of a twenty something You're wrong. No, she just might
Speaker 1: ask me, so we thought we should. No, we value
Speaker 1: your insights. Um, yeah, no, I've found these questions on TikTok.
Speaker 1: There was this guy talking about like this college in Oxford. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just a residential college. But in order to get in,
Speaker 1: it's a very rigorous selection process and they make you
Speaker 1: sit for three hour exams I think twelve hours in total. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in total, it used to be five. And then you
Speaker 1: have to have an interview where there's like fifty people
Speaker 1: interviewing you, and they admit one to two people every year.
Speaker 1: It's really really selective. That's you're information is from TikTok.
Speaker 1: Why is it that selective? Because what do you get
Speaker 1: out of it? Oh, because you get funding to do
Speaker 1: research on whatever you want for seven years at Oxford
Speaker 1: at Oxford. Yeah, no, I a different you're emphasizing yes
Speaker 1: yet there huh. And then you're just living with other
Speaker 1: people doing their seven years of research. But if only
Speaker 1: do you get admitted, what about all those other people?
Speaker 1: Where do they come from from? The college must only
Speaker 1: have like twenty people. Yeah, but because you're there for
Speaker 1: seven years, you really it takes a long time to
Speaker 1: time fourteen people. So that's a pretty small college. It's
Speaker 1: a very small Maybe ways would work, isn't it? Okay?
Speaker 1: Second days? Maybe maybe when they set it up they
Speaker 1: were like, you know what, we'll be generous. Well, let
Speaker 1: like and then since then they've only been adding like
Speaker 1: one or two people, and it takes a long time
Speaker 1: to filter people out because they get seven years. Anyway,
Speaker 1: there's no seven years. Maybe they know. I think what
Speaker 1: happens is they have the people who like all the
Speaker 1: rich kids who have to pay, and then this is
Speaker 1: a scholarship for the ones who like can't pay, but
Speaker 1: probably rich kids still get it. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I definitely could have looked at this college,
Speaker 1: like beyond the TikTok that I watched, who cares? And well,
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to fact check and not
Speaker 1: be a culprit of spreading misinformation. Good. So basically on
Speaker 1: this exam they ask a bunch of these like very
Speaker 1: abstract intellectual questions. Yeah, I think that questions that really
Speaker 1: kind of underpin the world humanity. Yeah, good things. And
Speaker 1: they're very like into like, very intellect like his different fields.
Speaker 1: And we thought we would answer some of the psychology
Speaker 1: questions and see whether Meg, Mattie, and Gemma would get
Speaker 1: into Oxford College. I really think that we would. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll have to see, but maybe we should, like probably,
Speaker 1: I should probably just give you guys more of an introduction.
Speaker 1: So tell everyone how we met, get them, get them
Speaker 1: familiar before we dive. So, Meg, how do we meet? Well,
Speaker 1: we went to be in g together, but we weren't friends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think we both thought we hated each other.
Speaker 1: I remember you told me like I thought you hated me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, I thought, Jemmy,
Speaker 1: you hated me. No, I was so intimidated by intimidate
Speaker 1: that's probably better word. Yeah, And then into so many
Speaker 1: strong friendships. Yeah, I thought you hated me at the
Speaker 1: and then last year, well, I don't even know how
Speaker 1: was it. I don't know, is it to Nail or Jasmine?
Speaker 1: Maybe we basically just hung out once it was here,
Speaker 1: I remember, and I was like, we had a good
Speaker 1: conversation in this lounge room of the street that let's
Speaker 1: not be named, in their house and it's beautiful. Is
Speaker 1: that where it was? And then we just a message
Speaker 1: saying I really enjoyed that. Good, I remember this. Okay,
Speaker 1: we actually talk about why we're doing that, because I
Speaker 1: really wanted, no, I know exactly what what it was.
Speaker 1: I drove you guys to mac h that that oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and then can I tell the funny story? Okay? So
Speaker 1: I was hadn't had anything to drink, so I drove
Speaker 1: them to me and two others and Jasmine and Aaron.
Speaker 1: Someone's birthday. It was someone someone's birthday, wasn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was Jasmine's birthday. Yeah, that makes sense. And it
Speaker 1: was a year ago based yeah, And so I drove
Speaker 1: them up to it. We got McDonald's and then I
Speaker 1: drove them up to black to Mountains and there were
Speaker 1: these two people having sex in a car and I
Speaker 1: was driving and Jasmine, I hate to call her out.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just Jasmine, it was all all of you
Speaker 1: guys just really wanted to see them having sex. We
Speaker 1: would drive we were doing this loop like three or
Speaker 1: four times. The windows were foggy, like I just felt
Speaker 1: so bad because we kept driving past their car. And
Speaker 1: every time we'd drive past their car Jasmine or one
Speaker 1: of you would be like slowed down. Yeah, we slowed
Speaker 1: down so much. I was at a stand still and
Speaker 1: you guys are just staring at this car. But that's
Speaker 1: how we met. Oh, you're gonna go back and find
Speaker 1: the Well how about while you do that, Maddie, how
Speaker 1: did how did we meet? Um? I think we had
Speaker 1: chats at the NG. Yeah, but I think we both
Speaker 1: did a lot of like extracurricular ship that like overlapped
Speaker 1: bossy bossy Yeah, um what else? And you're a very chatty,
Speaker 1: easy to talk to person. So yeah, I think you're
Speaker 1: really easy to start off a friendship with. And that's
Speaker 1: so nice. You're a good podcast statoo. Oh I found
Speaker 1: the message Actually wasn't that whelming, Like, it wasn't very like,
Speaker 1: but I think that's what stemmed our friendships. I hope
Speaker 1: the footdown when I don't know what that means. I
Speaker 1: was about my ex housemate, this satanic being who shall
Speaker 1: not be named, and I was, oh, yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: even Yeah, anyway, that's what did you say? I thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you had I fund the evening with you. Thanks
Speaker 1: for driving also, and then yes, this is really detailed,
Speaker 1: we might must know and we don't need to cut
Speaker 1: it out. If people are listening to this, they want
Speaker 1: to hear us. But also Meg and I lived together?
Speaker 1: Are we do we do? Yeah? Well the Anny ways,
Speaker 1: I was doing that Centain linkeding last night. It's like
Speaker 1: any of your housemates couples, like are you are you
Speaker 1: a couple with any of them? And it's just like
Speaker 1: there's like three questions like meaning the same thing, but
Speaker 1: they just wanted to check centinly oh sentient, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you have you participating activities that you would call yourself
Speaker 1: a couple. So have you had sex with your do
Speaker 1: you live with them in the same room? Do you
Speaker 1: share expenses? There's so many questions about but we're not
Speaker 1: a couple. I don't think if that's I'm definitely open
Speaker 1: to having a conversation, if you know, if things shame.
Speaker 1: I actually think if that's a definition of a couple,
Speaker 1: me and Arianna would count as a couple. In sentient
Speaker 1: it is, Yeah, me and Arianna would literally count as
Speaker 1: a couple because we share expenses, like sometimes we sleep
Speaker 1: in the same bed, like have cuddles, Like oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't have anything like with the word like sexual
Speaker 1: in it. So maybe both of us are a sexual
Speaker 1: in their eyes. Okay, anyhow, let's move on. I think
Speaker 1: this podcast episode is meant to be However, to be honest, like,
Speaker 1: I just keep going, Well, we can stop it if
Speaker 1: you guys want, But to be honest, like, I just
Speaker 1: kind of just talk and there's a thing like it's
Speaker 1: kind of my podcast. So I'm kind of like, if
Speaker 1: you want to listen to this, you're happy to welcome
Speaker 1: to listen to this. But it's also more like a
Speaker 1: diary entry for me where I'm like the people I
Speaker 1: bring on a people that are really important in my
Speaker 1: life at the moment. Obviously guys are important to me. Stop.
Speaker 1: So it's like as much as people might get entertainment
Speaker 1: out of this, they can skip past this if they want, yes,
Speaker 1: but also a journal thing. Yeah, it's more for me,
Speaker 1: Like I know, my audience is not massive, Like, it's
Speaker 1: just more that I get to have these great discuss
Speaker 1: it's building, it's gradually increasing. But yeah, thanks for introducing yourself, guys.
Speaker 1: So let's answer some of these questions that Maddie found
Speaker 1: through her TikTok, some of the Oxford College entrance questions.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is just going to be more
Speaker 1: of a discussion, just because I feel like it's really
Speaker 1: interesting to offer different perspectives and like deep dive into Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: And I think that question is whether it's not really
Speaker 1: a right or wrong No, yea, So please think about
Speaker 1: it as well. Yeah, let us know. Send us a
Speaker 1: mesto on Instagram if you're woefully offended by anything we've said,
Speaker 1: or if you just have an edition, if you have
Speaker 1: an addition, if you agree with us. But if you
Speaker 1: just agree, we don't want to hear it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to block you spam. Yeah, Okay, Meg
Speaker 1: has the first question? Okay, yes, is the Internet changing
Speaker 1: the ways in which we think? Good question. That's a
Speaker 1: very broad question. I think it's obvious it is, but
Speaker 1: but then I think it depends on how you narrow
Speaker 1: it down, because like if you if you think about
Speaker 1: Internet as an isolated concept, it's also expanded the way
Speaker 1: we think about things as well. It's globalized like our world.
Speaker 1: But are we are we including like big data and
Speaker 1: algorithms into this question or are we talking more about
Speaker 1: like the immense accessibility of information that the Internet is facilitated,
Speaker 1: or there's that one example. Have you watched the Social
Speaker 1: your dilemma. Yeah, how like there's like if you are
Speaker 1: like far left or far right, and then you like
Speaker 1: that if I don't know how it is, if you
Speaker 1: vote or if you just follow a lot of like
Speaker 1: like far right politicians, then you get like into this
Speaker 1: spiral if you follow like center right, and then it
Speaker 1: takes you on a rabbit hole to an event you
Speaker 1: see other views. You can never see other views. So
Speaker 1: it's like, so it does kind of change the way
Speaker 1: we think because it's like now I feel like previously
Speaker 1: opinions were more up for discussion, whereas if you spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time on the internet, especially as we
Speaker 1: all did last year, when we all inside our homes,
Speaker 1: it's actually harder to get a diverse opinion on things,
Speaker 1: and especially like you can kind of cherry pick the
Speaker 1: information that you want rather than and also it's so
Speaker 1: accessible to find evidence for your own opinion, whereas previously
Speaker 1: you have to go read a textbook, you have to
Speaker 1: go to the library. But that's like, yeah, you're kind
Speaker 1: of forced to read more diverse. That's a good point though,
Speaker 1: because like I feel like with the Internet and like
Speaker 1: would you call technology coming on? I know, like the
Speaker 1: generations of like ten year olds now can't think for
Speaker 1: themselves because they've got phones to search up on Google.
Speaker 1: Like when we were ten, we fucking had us. We
Speaker 1: had to go out and like, you know, make up ideas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: literally we had to think for ourselves. And that's actually
Speaker 1: like I always think about this. I'm like, are we
Speaker 1: going to lose our like process of this is a
Speaker 1: bit you know what I mean? We can just search
Speaker 1: on Google, like get our phone literally in our pocket
Speaker 1: for like ten seconds. Yeah. Also it reduces how we
Speaker 1: entertain our how commy thinking is going to be. Like, actually,
Speaker 1: this can all be so summarized in the Netflix special.
Speaker 1: Yeah is that Welcome to the Internet. I watched it.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I think, yeah, anything and everything all
Speaker 1: of the time. Yeah, that is the one that with
Speaker 1: the the well you yes, and I watched it, but
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you were like, but I think
Speaker 1: that's a really good point. Also make kind of off
Speaker 1: like what you were saying, because there's more accessibility of
Speaker 1: information as well. It means that all these people who
Speaker 1: previously wouldn't have gone and read text books, wouldn't have
Speaker 1: gone and read gone and borrowed books from the library
Speaker 1: wouldn't have gone to like saloons or like gone into
Speaker 1: lectures or gone to university now actually have access to information.
Speaker 1: So it changes the way that we think in that
Speaker 1: like more people are actually like accessing information who previously
Speaker 1: wouldn't have. That's a good point. But then the downside
Speaker 1: of that is that the information that they're accessing can
Speaker 1: sometimes actually be les reduced cognition, because yeah, it's misformation.
Speaker 1: That's a completly other point. But yeah, Madie's got a
Speaker 1: She was like going, she's just sprinted. We didn't get
Speaker 1: any I do get criticized around here all the time. Yes, No,
Speaker 1: it just reminded me of this book that I'm reading
Speaker 1: at the moment by Thomas Friedman. R Thomas Friedman. No, No,
Speaker 1: he's American. Heals it's a very Jewish name. I actually
Speaker 1: know Milton Friedman. I got a guy sexy. But anyway,
Speaker 1: he kind of talks about the whole concept of the
Speaker 1: book is that technology is accelerating at a quicker pace
Speaker 1: than our kind of social ability and the ability of
Speaker 1: our institutions to adapt to those changes. And the section
Speaker 1: I was reading just this afternoon, so this is super wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: weird and coincidental is about social media and the Internet,
Speaker 1: and he points out, no, no, no, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to read. Yeah, I'm going to read the entire book.
Speaker 1: Sit Down, ladies and gentlemen. This is the beginning of
Speaker 1: my career. Okay, okay, some sorry, But with the Internet,
Speaker 1: we don't know how to deal with rumors. Rumors that
Speaker 1: confirm people's biases are now believed and spread among millions
Speaker 1: of people. Second, we create our own echo chambers, which
Speaker 1: we've kind of touched on. A Third, online discussions quickly
Speaker 1: descend into angry mobs. For it became really hard to
Speaker 1: change our opinions. Is what you post online you're someone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and on a bit of a tangent like the celebrities
Speaker 1: and asserting their political views. I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: bit of a discussion about this and people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: they should stand out for this issue and that not
Speaker 1: um whatnot. But I actually think it's really really hard
Speaker 1: to maintain your political integrity once you stand up for
Speaker 1: one thing. And yeah, the Internet preserve change. We actually
Speaker 1: humans hate change so like naturally because the change is hard,
Speaker 1: right as in like we all like I think, all
Speaker 1: three of us very but it requires new adapts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like change is good and we need it, but also
Speaker 1: like that actually, like the Internet kind of like makes
Speaker 1: us be more stagnant in a way because we like
Speaker 1: can't change what we think and change. I would actually
Speaker 1: disagree with you because I find that the algorithm just
Speaker 1: in like my personal growth has actually really adapted to
Speaker 1: the way that my life has changed. Like yeah, previously,
Speaker 1: like when I was in a relationship, I get a
Speaker 1: lot of like I'm just going to use the example
Speaker 1: of Instagram reels, like just because it's in my mind,
Speaker 1: like Instagram. So the Instagram algorithm almost I find adapts
Speaker 1: to what my interests are in the it kind of
Speaker 1: leads into that thing where I get a bit of
Speaker 1: an epistepic echo chamber because I just put this data
Speaker 1: in it. It just gives it straight back. Do you
Speaker 1: think that your echo chamber is better or more justified,
Speaker 1: because because it's but it's not if you think it's
Speaker 1: a more educated one. I don't, Okay, So that's interesting.
Speaker 1: So I think that the TikTok's and the reels that
Speaker 1: I get a like very spiritual, very new age that's
Speaker 1: what you're feeling at the moment, Yeah, very fitness orientated
Speaker 1: very like I said, spirituality, but I don't have much
Speaker 1: political content. But it means that if that's the main
Speaker 1: platform that I consume my news from on my media from,
Speaker 1: obviously I do like read the news and do other things,
Speaker 1: but like it's the main online platform I use. The
Speaker 1: only information I'm getting from it is just stuff that
Speaker 1: like reinforces all the things I already already yeah, already believe.
Speaker 1: But why did you get do you when that first
Speaker 1: come up? Did you search out? When was it you?
Speaker 1: Like I really want to get into Like no, it's
Speaker 1: like just one of them would come up, you like it,
Speaker 1: and then you know, in a couple of weeks two
Speaker 1: of them come up, like both of those. So it
Speaker 1: like adapts to the way that you're mindships, which I
Speaker 1: find good because if you have to search up in
Speaker 1: the first place, you know what I mean, Like if
Speaker 1: you've got so I've come back to camera and it's
Speaker 1: like a full new thing and I have to search
Speaker 1: out like you know what, not what TikTok is? You know,
Speaker 1: like those kind of like randomness any idea that I'm reenterating,
Speaker 1: Yeah from from like rural Victoria. Um no, I think
Speaker 1: that it's the thing where it's like, you interact with
Speaker 1: enough posts and like obviously occasionally you're going to like
Speaker 1: run across one that is like more it's fine, we're
Speaker 1: pouring someone, You're going to run across one that's more
Speaker 1: like and you're like, oh, that's interesting. And then so
Speaker 1: it builds to you. So but it's like both a
Speaker 1: blessing and a curse, and that the person I want
Speaker 1: to become is reinforced by the media I'm consuming. But
Speaker 1: I also see that if I was getting all of
Speaker 1: my media or my news content from my phone, from
Speaker 1: my from Instagram, from Facebook, how quickly it would be
Speaker 1: just to like slip into one category of And I
Speaker 1: think it's so insidious that you don't. It's very hard
Speaker 1: to have the level of self awareness require. That's a
Speaker 1: very good point, because my internet can really also, don't
Speaker 1: you think it's interesting in our conversation about the Internet,
Speaker 1: how immediately this conversation became about social media because we
Speaker 1: associate so many of the problems that the Internet is
Speaker 1: produced it is with social media. That's what about what
Speaker 1: about the Internet? Like more broadly, if we look outside
Speaker 1: of like the social media discussion, Yeah, I think also
Speaker 1: it's changed the way that we can receive answers. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's funny because then I'm immediately going back
Speaker 1: to social media. Like it's changed the way that we
Speaker 1: receive gratification. So previously, if we had a question, if
Speaker 1: we were seeking knowledge, if we were seeking stimulation, it
Speaker 1: will take a bit more. But now we pick up
Speaker 1: our phones, we go on the internet. It actually makes
Speaker 1: that cognitive process. Like you were saying, man, yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot easy, a lot quicker. I so want to say
Speaker 1: it because I was just thinking with social like not
Speaker 1: just social with the Internet or any like news or
Speaker 1: evidence thing on on Google whatever, Like I think it
Speaker 1: really favors people who are more self aware of what
Speaker 1: you were saying, Maddie, and like intellectual, Like if I
Speaker 1: know so many people who have different like range of
Speaker 1: skills and arnas like you know, university and Caden stuff,
Speaker 1: and they like they get sucked in really bad and
Speaker 1: like scammed, Like that's a bad case, you know, Like
Speaker 1: it really the internet really Like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just find it's really like what's the word doesn't not
Speaker 1: just like it, I don't know what the word is.
Speaker 1: Benefit it kind of like people who can get sucked in.
Speaker 1: But who depending on who you are, you know, like yeah,
Speaker 1: it favors people who are more like the other questions
Speaker 1: on this list was, um is do Internet users have
Speaker 1: equal equality? Equality equal? Not? No way? Think yeah what
Speaker 1: you're saying, Yeah, that's what that Also, it depends on
Speaker 1: what you use the Internet for, because I feel like
Speaker 1: it almost almost replicates a class structure that exists in
Speaker 1: real life. Like if use the Internet for academic purposes
Speaker 1: like we would be doing, or for research purposes, or
Speaker 1: for work purposes, you know, your experience with the Internet,
Speaker 1: you would probably see it more as a tool. Whereas
Speaker 1: if you were someone who is getting scammed, if you
Speaker 1: were someone whom perhaps the Internet is showing you all
Speaker 1: the things that you can't be, or you know, perhaps
Speaker 1: you're growing up in a rural community or in a
Speaker 1: poorer community, like the internet, yeah it would be beneficial
Speaker 1: to you, but it might also it's more just probably
Speaker 1: just be like a not entertainment, you know, like you
Speaker 1: just go on there to sddictive because you're not nothing else,
Speaker 1: You're real initially there's nothing to do, so you just
Speaker 1: literally what else is there to do? There's no like see,
Speaker 1: so you could say that it's changed the way that
Speaker 1: we think in that sense because people don't really have
Speaker 1: to sit with themselves, and that is such a big thing.
Speaker 1: I find that where you're like in a bad mood
Speaker 1: and you're like Instagram, we need to think of our
Speaker 1: own thoughts. But we all we can't remember. Like talking
Speaker 1: to a boss of mine a few years ago, and
Speaker 1: he was like quite a bit older, and he was
Speaker 1: talking about, like, um, breaking up with someone, and then
Speaker 1: they had to take a really long bus ride back
Speaker 1: to his place and it was like an hour and
Speaker 1: a half or two hours on public transport, and he
Speaker 1: had forgotten his headphones, and yeah, he was saying, you know,
Speaker 1: in hindsight, I'm actually really glad that I didn't have
Speaker 1: my headphones. I guess listening to music on Spotify is
Speaker 1: not really it's enabled by this thought. Yeah, I do
Speaker 1: that all the time. Like how much do we actually
Speaker 1: with the creation of the Internet. And I guess we
Speaker 1: could make the argument for radio and things like that,
Speaker 1: but now that it's compact, it follows you everywhere that
Speaker 1: we've got mobile phones and the Internet, it's like a distraction. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how often are you alone? And has it changed the
Speaker 1: way we if were like kind of going back to
Speaker 1: the actual question, like has it changed the way that
Speaker 1: we think? Like, yeah, has it made us less resourceful? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: because you know we have Google maps, yeah, fingertips and
Speaker 1: obviously there's a lot of dialogue about how it's changed
Speaker 1: our attention span. Well that's where I was kind of heading,
Speaker 1: is like I was thinking, we'll just then that just
Speaker 1: came up to me, like you know, the reason when
Speaker 1: I might get really anxious or like you overthink things,
Speaker 1: which is very common these days. Well, maybe that's because anyway,
Speaker 1: we won't go there, but like, is it because like
Speaker 1: if I use like the Internet and like Spotify music
Speaker 1: to like distract myself. But like you know, back in
Speaker 1: the day, back you know, forty years ago, how did
Speaker 1: people work with their overthinking thoughts? Like how do they
Speaker 1: work with their anxieties? I don't know. I just like
Speaker 1: that's like I'm really interesting with the anxiety thing because
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of ironic that the Internet really
Speaker 1: created a lot of services that should inherently reduce anxiety
Speaker 1: but have actually exacerbated it. It's like the self, what's
Speaker 1: the image the body? You know, body image and yeah,
Speaker 1: like things like that we're also Internet as a means
Speaker 1: for comparison with anything in your life. It's like we
Speaker 1: do kind of keep shifting onto social media means of comparison.
Speaker 1: But I actually might make an argument that it actually
Speaker 1: has improve the way we think because it's increased the
Speaker 1: possibilities that people feel they have. Yeah, that's a good point,
Speaker 1: but also it's expanded your worldview. It's back to like
Speaker 1: the spiral of like if you're aware of that, or
Speaker 1: if you go down the case like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: like I see that skiing and unengotally like imagine there's
Speaker 1: like someone in you know, like we've been using this
Speaker 1: rural example because I feel like that's a real benefit
Speaker 1: for people who are in like centers of not the
Speaker 1: Internet is really useful for them. Imagine, you know, being
Speaker 1: able to see that like university is a possibility and
Speaker 1: not having to be connected with someone to the university.
Speaker 1: You know, there are scholarships like, Yeah, it's changed the
Speaker 1: way we think and that like it has expanded our
Speaker 1: options but also limited them or narrowed like home of
Speaker 1: the Mint to perhaps a specific thing when we think
Speaker 1: about political opinions, but it's also expanded how we think
Speaker 1: and that we see that more things are available to us,
Speaker 1: But I think at the same time it's a double
Speaker 1: edged sword and that we definitely do realize there's greater possibility,
Speaker 1: is almost overwhelmed with choice, but at the same time
Speaker 1: we realize how utter disposability. Oh, because I was wondering
Speaker 1: when this is going to turn like really existential. I
Speaker 1: learned that word in French last week. I think I
Speaker 1: can't say it's existentially You'll get there, but I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I had to search out what it was. Wait. Wait,
Speaker 1: back to Maddie's existential point. How disposable we are? Yes,
Speaker 1: because I think that a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: labor can be really really easily outsourced through software through
Speaker 1: the Internet now, whereas previously that would have been sourced locally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But also it's like that's allowed industry to expand and
Speaker 1: allowed production to expand. Very that's very capitalist. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: if we're thinking about like how it's changed the way
Speaker 1: you think, Like I think, if you were growing up
Speaker 1: pre Internet, you being kind of one of the best
Speaker 1: in your field, in your town or your city, your area,
Speaker 1: wherever you lived, like that was really impressive. Yeah, part
Speaker 1: of your identity impressive and um, yeah, but with the
Speaker 1: Internet now you're so much more aware of you know,
Speaker 1: the software developer on the other side of the world,
Speaker 1: who is better than Yeah, like it's more international. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not really at all related. What is It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, when like countries interfere, this is a whole
Speaker 1: different There are so many facets to this question when
Speaker 1: countries interfere, Like I don't like an example of like
Speaker 1: in the Middle East, when like American interfere, you know,
Speaker 1: like things like that. It's like globalization in that sense.
Speaker 1: Is that I don't really know much about this topic.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, And because there's a question on this
Speaker 1: exam that was like is international development AID good? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that kind of like because we're being globalized, that's
Speaker 1: able to happen. But also how does it is it
Speaker 1: used for manipulation as well, like foreign interest political reasons
Speaker 1: rather than just humanitarian Well, I feel like we're going
Speaker 1: in a rabbits off or should do next the next question? Okay,
Speaker 1: which question do you have? Meg? Well? Who asked that question?
Speaker 1: Do you want to ask a question? Maddie? Ye? Oh,
Speaker 1: actually I can I ask one. Yeah, this one's like
Speaker 1: a little bit misk Okay, it's kind of a bit
Speaker 1: of a change, and it's very same thing. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: who is the most overrated figure in your discipline? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think you're eager to talk about this the reason
Speaker 1: I ask it? Yeah, I just want to like talk
Speaker 1: shit about people in my side, not like people I know,
Speaker 1: but like in psychology and philosophy. But I think is
Speaker 1: so overrated. Like, Okay, firstly, Adam Smith, Like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you know there is more to political thinking than some
Speaker 1: white guy who fucking Scottish. Is Scottish, why he was,
Speaker 1: why he was from Glasgow, he was on Calculi or
Speaker 1: something like. That's old. Well though he's dead yet I'm
Speaker 1: saying still alive, I'm saying century. Yeah. Like, I just
Speaker 1: think that, like Adam Smith is so overrated. Rational thought
Speaker 1: so overrated, the emphasis on self interest so overrated, and
Speaker 1: every single course I always learn about it, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, really, can we retire the idea that this
Speaker 1: one person is like the forefather of every single economic
Speaker 1: and political thought that we've ever had. In his hair
Speaker 1: as well? Oh lame, He's like, I just I just
Speaker 1: feel like we need to have more of a diversity
Speaker 1: of thinkers. The other one who I really sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: just like kind of ranting. Say a quote from him,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, all money is a matter of belief.
Speaker 1: Why is it about money? Am I just singing? He's
Speaker 1: an economist money, Yeah, so it makes sense. Anyway. He
Speaker 1: has a second Well, here's this huge emphasis on self interest,
Speaker 1: which I do think is rational, like to the belief,
Speaker 1: but just annoys me. I'm sure mad do you find
Speaker 1: this as well? With like Ppe, Yeah, I know, he's
Speaker 1: definitely hammad On Hammered. Yeah. The second one is like,
Speaker 1: there are all these psychologists who I just like, Hey,
Speaker 1: John Watson and Bef Skinner an example, Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: him right, I know him from she How do you
Speaker 1: know him from Shella Combs? John Watson? Who's that? He's like,
Speaker 1: I've not Sherlock t one b they live together. Oh
Speaker 1: that's cute. Yeah. Anyway, there's Arthur Conan Doyle, an overrated figure.
Speaker 1: Nont no, Okay, I'm learning so much. But yeah, there's
Speaker 1: also like this huge emphasis on like behaviorist psychologists in
Speaker 1: the field of psychology, and it really shits me because
Speaker 1: I'm like, every course you learn about it, it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: they understood how like behavior and learning occur, but like,
Speaker 1: can we maybe what's an example? Okay, so um, they
Speaker 1: have skinner did like these boxes with ruts in them,
Speaker 1: and he learned that, like I haven't known that yet,
Speaker 1: conditioned unconditioned stimulus. It's great, but it just gets like
Speaker 1: overplayed and it just feel like there are so many
Speaker 1: more creative ideas that have come out in the last
Speaker 1: like one hundred years or fifty years that are actually
Speaker 1: provided much better explanation than these experiments. And it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I also just I think it's that general issue where
Speaker 1: I'm just like getting very frustrated that in a lot
Speaker 1: of my university courses they only teach about white male
Speaker 1: well research, isn't it? Like this is okay, this is
Speaker 1: another thought thought for my brother a bit, like the
Speaker 1: university is actually quite right wing, Like do you think yes,
Speaker 1: like the actual This is what he's I've thought about
Speaker 1: it a bit, but like like the actual, like it's
Speaker 1: a it's a huge structure. Of course it's right wing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like the actual it's right wing.
Speaker 1: I think no, I think like that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is like his random brain thoughts, but like the
Speaker 1: not the teaching because I'm doing various science, so that
Speaker 1: obviously isn't right wing, but like, um, the actual teaching style,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'll have to do some more recent
Speaker 1: it's a conservative too. Yeah, yeah, it's like yeah, and
Speaker 1: like we're learning about Yeah, we're literally it's very repetitive
Speaker 1: and like it's structured. It's so structured, and it's all
Speaker 1: based on like ideas of like fifty seventy, even hundreds
Speaker 1: of years ago that haven't been corrected, haven't been changed
Speaker 1: even when they've been proven to be incorrect, even when
Speaker 1: better explanations offered, And a lot of these people are
Speaker 1: very like it's very conservative. They're all very traditional. I think.
Speaker 1: I do think the teaching is quite conservative, and that
Speaker 1: I don't think they've adapted to the needs of society
Speaker 1: and the kind of job market that we're entering, because
Speaker 1: they think that they universities are still somewhat living in
Speaker 1: the past where people were qualified with a certain skill
Speaker 1: and they use that skill in their career, which really
Speaker 1: carried them through a lifetime. Are going to have a
Speaker 1: lot of different careers and in order to stay up
Speaker 1: to date and and be kind of climb the ranks
Speaker 1: in whichever workforce you're in. It does require lifelong learning,
Speaker 1: and I don't think the university has adapted that, and
Speaker 1: I think they're conservative in that sense. But to go
Speaker 1: back to the original question, thank you for yes, who
Speaker 1: is an overrated person? You're in your discipline? Like, and
Speaker 1: I think you'll agree with me on this gamma because
Speaker 1: we both do ppe economics is really really outdated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so they still it's like my mom was showing
Speaker 1: me some of hers like rational man, rational economic man,
Speaker 1: like self interest. That's that's it. It's very very exclusionary
Speaker 1: find I know that, Oh god, you're absolutely right. And
Speaker 1: they teach these same models thinking that they've adapted. It's
Speaker 1: like these models were created like fifty years ago. Really
Speaker 1: really really outdated. Concept that stands out to me so
Speaker 1: much in economics is that when it comes to environment,
Speaker 1: there was the kind of traditional response to that was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: the free market when when a resource is overused and overconsumed,
Speaker 1: the free market will naturally like redirect us to other
Speaker 1: sources of production and it doesn't understand the idea of
Speaker 1: like exhaustion or yeah. Yeah, and you're just kind of
Speaker 1: sitting there like, well, yes, it's our cohole industry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh yeah, interesting all the other idea it's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, if we lose jobs in one place, they'll
Speaker 1: be created elsewhere. So yeah, everything always reaches an equilibriumrchment.
Speaker 1: But then you would use that argument in favor of
Speaker 1: free trade. Yeah yeah, but wait, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: So but then I feel like you're using it as
Speaker 1: a negative argument. I'm using it now. Well, what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is that it's not true, like especially in isolated
Speaker 1: industry industries or in an isolated community like Australia, whether
Speaker 1: like it suggests that when people lose jobs in one area,
Speaker 1: new jobs are always created elsewhere. So so we shut
Speaker 1: down skill set. That's what you were saying about their
Speaker 1: skill set, you know, four year old skill set. They
Speaker 1: only have like a sense right, we will be owing.
Speaker 1: Economics is very much like the market fixes everything, yes, itself,
Speaker 1: and those new industries, new avenues for disenfranchised people will
Speaker 1: be forced to open. And this is where you come
Speaker 1: to that big cleavage between left and right wing economics,
Speaker 1: because when you get on the left wing, it says no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you need the government at that point to step in
Speaker 1: and like offer offer opportunities for upskilling or reskilling so
Speaker 1: that people can have greater labor migration. Um. And so
Speaker 1: I think in really overrated person in the field of
Speaker 1: economics would be Gregory. Gregory Magory Manque. Yeah, he wrote
Speaker 1: we didn't do my chro economics in the same year,
Speaker 1: but he wrote the textbook that I used from Macro. Oh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't use a textbook because I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is all pretty simple. Yeah, no, that's fair. I
Speaker 1: received it. Also, you know what, I definitely done something
Speaker 1: that I would have paid money funny for. No. Also,
Speaker 1: I ask anyone who was also at the A and
Speaker 1: you when you watch an economics lecture, watch every single lecture.
Speaker 1: You would never see a picture of a woman. Dana
Speaker 1: Dana's lecturer. But I'm saying in the slides, yeah, you
Speaker 1: will never see a picture of a woman. It's all like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I keep going back to this very
Speaker 1: feminist critique, but it's always you know, you know, how
Speaker 1: how the you know, when they thought of the concept
Speaker 1: of GDP, they did try to work out how to
Speaker 1: include domestic labor into that equation, but they were like, noah,
Speaker 1: it's too hard to measure. So they just didn't. They
Speaker 1: were like where I could ask, like I don't know
Speaker 1: someone who understands this, and they're like, no, no, we
Speaker 1: won't ask a women. The dramatic they weren't they they'd
Speaker 1: yes when they're not scientific. Yeah, exactly, just the academic
Speaker 1: in the kitchen sad speaking, which we probably need to
Speaker 1: clean the kitchen or something. Oh god, no, it's anti
Speaker 1: feminist to clean in this room. We are surrounded by
Speaker 1: the matriarchy. Oh you really are. There's literally like it
Speaker 1: always comes down to genda, comes down to genda. I
Speaker 1: hope you and it's over our Oh that's really good. Yeah, congratulations,
Speaker 1: all right, next question, next question question? Um, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: so there was was it not your go? No? I
Speaker 1: had that. No, it is mad he wants to go.
Speaker 1: There were there were questions so we could do the
Speaker 1: round for oh yeah, the or the death community or
Speaker 1: I feel like we can't really talk on that because
Speaker 1: none of us we're not we're a third party. Well
Speaker 1: that's the question, but that's not a question on the
Speaker 1: list exactly what question you're going to ask, But is
Speaker 1: it a question question? The question is like, can we
Speaker 1: make commentary on like things the government he does none
Speaker 1: of them are blinders. Their far they you know, some
Speaker 1: of them. I think that. Okay, I thought, well if
Speaker 1: people yes, so what they called people that stand on
Speaker 1: behalf of people advocates? I found a good psychology question.
Speaker 1: There is evidence that people give more to charity when
Speaker 1: asked by someone wearing a designer label, what should we
Speaker 1: make of this Gucci? Are they like saying that people
Speaker 1: I would immediately? Are they saying that people with designer
Speaker 1: labels are more trustworthy? You know what? Mere good? But
Speaker 1: why are they more trustworthy because they're rich? Yeah? Like
Speaker 1: have the stigma about and is it like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: this rich person is asking me to give money to charity,
Speaker 1: so they probably give money to charity and that's an
Speaker 1: indication of wealth. And I want to seem wealthy and
Speaker 1: I want to seem wealthy. Yeah, I want more tax deduction. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Meg's point is really good. It's like if
Speaker 1: we see someone wearing nice clothes, where we trust them,
Speaker 1: we believe that they'll be honest. It's like our whole
Speaker 1: values in Australia and Western society are based on like
Speaker 1: success with the success and money. So many money aspects
Speaker 1: are like that kind of concept. I feel like you
Speaker 1: can extrapolate to so many different aspects of life. It's
Speaker 1: kind of the same idea that underpins the whole. It's
Speaker 1: not creepy of their heart. Oh yeah, when there was
Speaker 1: attractive people do better in job interviews. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a study in psychology. I just learned that last week
Speaker 1: actually about if people do better in jobs. No, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: And if you are a vehicle attractive person, you trust
Speaker 1: them more because they're attracting, and so a designer label
Speaker 1: could be seen as attractive like more culturally because it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: an indication is such a beautiful that. There was this
Speaker 1: Netflix show that I watched earlier this year called The Serpent,
Speaker 1: and it was about this guy that like murdered a
Speaker 1: bunch of backpackers in like the sis. It wasn't that
Speaker 1: he was hot, it was that he was a fellow foreigner.
Speaker 1: And I feel like when more traveler, you in that
Speaker 1: group's more inclined to trust a fellow foreigner than you
Speaker 1: are a local person. And that's sutually. I just had
Speaker 1: a thought, Wow, apparently in Vietnam, in the Saigon, this
Speaker 1: is such a tangent. No, in Vietnam, in Sigon, this
Speaker 1: is not in any touristy area in like Southeast Age
Speaker 1: or wherever. The touristy area is the one where people
Speaker 1: get drink sparked. It's not the local area because it's
Speaker 1: always the tourists are because people are like, oh, they're
Speaker 1: fucking tourists, like dumb ass people. Yeah they're rich, but
Speaker 1: they're so unaware of the culture around them at the moment.
Speaker 1: But that's interesting because it is such a designer clothes
Speaker 1: Like maybe maybe if you've got someone in the designer
Speaker 1: clothes are asking you to give money, it feels less
Speaker 1: like they're begging for money. Oh oh my god, because
Speaker 1: it's less like they don't need it. But like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, that's so true. That means it's like the
Speaker 1: rich people always own the business, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: they're giving it to someone rich. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that makes sense, but no, I do. I do know
Speaker 1: what you mean. I was also going to say, it's
Speaker 1: an idea of in groups and our groups. So people
Speaker 1: who are wearing people who are wearing like designer labels,
Speaker 1: you form this kind of in group that a you
Speaker 1: also want to be a part of. Yeah, you want
Speaker 1: to be a part of and you can see that, yeah,
Speaker 1: or Western society want and the way that you can
Speaker 1: and seem like you're part of the group is by donating.
Speaker 1: You know. That's firstly like the social pretense of wanting
Speaker 1: to be wanting to appear wealthy. But secondly it's the
Speaker 1: thing of like I could be this person if I
Speaker 1: gave more generously, like I don't look like the individual.
Speaker 1: If I give more generously, like a very giving like generous, yeah,
Speaker 1: or this is a rich people give, I'm going to
Speaker 1: give and then I'll be wealthy like or you know,
Speaker 1: I'll track. That's that's rude, not rude, But it's like
Speaker 1: the people. It's not the people who are being there,
Speaker 1: what you call the advocates for these charities. It's not
Speaker 1: their fault, but like like they're they're calling on individuals
Speaker 1: that like us, who are definitely not rich people like
Speaker 1: there are billionaires that could donate like one thousand times
Speaker 1: that what we could donate, but they call upon like
Speaker 1: individuals like us. You know, you see people in the
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know, like well visioned in
Speaker 1: the supermarket, in civic you know, and they calling on
Speaker 1: people like as I just had a really good idea
Speaker 1: oh my god, Okay, another that fast. If they're wearing
Speaker 1: designer labels, it makes the company look more trustworthy because
Speaker 1: it makes them look more professional. It makes them look
Speaker 1: like they know how to spend their money more. It
Speaker 1: makes them look more capable because if their employees or
Speaker 1: the people who are who are asking for money look
Speaker 1: like those that are a symbol of wealth and a
Speaker 1: symbol of doing well, you might think like they actually
Speaker 1: know what they're doing, because if this rich person is
Speaker 1: supporting them, a rich person isn't going to waste their money.
Speaker 1: But then I would think, like if I saw someone
Speaker 1: working for like I don't know, what's a good world vision, yeah,
Speaker 1: like and they were wearing design clothes, I'd be like, wow,
Speaker 1: fast fashion, Yeah, are these clothes made the same. But
Speaker 1: I'd actually trust someone who's wearing like not like who
Speaker 1: was still clean that who was wearing like ethically made
Speaker 1: clothes or like secondhand clothes, because oh my god, they
Speaker 1: actually care, like you know about fast not this is
Speaker 1: about fast fashion, but you know about like that's still
Speaker 1: in in in what's a word, like less economically developed countries.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's always about experiences and what
Speaker 1: appearance of the company attracts, like what you're attracted to,
Speaker 1: what the audience is of the company advertiser if he
Speaker 1: wants a company that you think is trustworthy, or like
Speaker 1: if you want one that seems ethical, Like, how do
Speaker 1: you navigate that in terms of presenting a brand? What
Speaker 1: was the question charity? Sorry, oh I forgot there. We
Speaker 1: were on a big I don't know. That's fine. It
Speaker 1: wasn't one that I initially kind of flagged to do um,
Speaker 1: but then it popped up and I thought, oh, that's
Speaker 1: a bit of psychology. It was, Yes, it was why
Speaker 1: are we more likely to donate to charity by people
Speaker 1: wearing yes? Oh? That it does relate to what we're saying,
Speaker 1: and complete tangent. We are on the right track with charity.
Speaker 1: We were kind of yeah, but I think that's a
Speaker 1: really interesting one. When was the last time you guys
Speaker 1: don't edit to charity? I used to do it, Like
Speaker 1: month they called me into doing a monthly thing to
Speaker 1: the woodenness. I knew you were going to say the
Speaker 1: world in society. They fucking called me and they like
Speaker 1: I was like, they're like, do five dollars. I was
Speaker 1: like yeah, And then he didn't say it was five
Speaker 1: dollars more than what I was paying, so I paid
Speaker 1: fifteen dollars and I was like, and then I rang
Speaker 1: up by canceled. I had to ring up because I
Speaker 1: couldn't do it online, and then they made me feel bad. Yes,
Speaker 1: probably I can't. I was like, I can't afford it.
Speaker 1: I'm a student. I always use that though. Oh um,
Speaker 1: when Darwin went into like the snap lockdown when I
Speaker 1: was home and the Fringe comedy festival that was the
Speaker 1: week after got kind of pre emptively canceled, and they
Speaker 1: gave you the offer to donate the money from your
Speaker 1: tickets to charity. And my friend got like three hundred
Speaker 1: dollars by the tickets. She was like and she was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll donate it. And then a couple of days later,
Speaker 1: her car break. Sorry I need that money back. Honestly,
Speaker 1: you attract my journe like sorry, like a struggling artside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've decided that I'm really I want to self interest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Adam Smith, maybe he's right. Oh fuck, I remember the
Speaker 1: one that really gets me is m Doctors without Borders.
Speaker 1: I've heard that? Is that? Yes? Because it's gone. Fancier's
Speaker 1: Median Okay, I think Edison on the front. Yeah. Um
Speaker 1: mad He's like, yeah, I'll say it in Russian, you
Speaker 1: say it in Arabic, you'll say it in Chinese, and
Speaker 1: we can just all show off. I feel like this
Speaker 1: could oh yeah, that question, but oh yeah, but can
Speaker 1: I just yeah, but I just want to say, if
Speaker 1: you haven't want to donate, you should definitely donate to
Speaker 1: Doctor Without Borders because their ad campaign videos get me
Speaker 1: every fucking time. I literally will watch them if I want.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know A bit podcast sponsored me. Okay,
Speaker 1: next question there was the happy One or multi Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like that could segue well from guys, were
Speaker 1: only like thirty six minutes and we have heaps of Well,
Speaker 1: we're definitely getting into all souls. Ye, all souls? What's
Speaker 1: all souls? This is I only know what. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what it's called. I'm obviously not fucking getting No,
Speaker 1: you're not. The question was does multi lingualism mean multiple identities?
Speaker 1: Boom boom, And I think well I said that because
Speaker 1: will we all speak different languages and definitely being in
Speaker 1: a different country. Yeah, like you can't take on like
Speaker 1: it was French, you take on the accent. It's like
Speaker 1: the whole var you need the accent. Otherwise you can't
Speaker 1: if you speak French without the accent to speaking Wrench
Speaker 1: because it's like you don't, like you can't. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: not that you can't. If you don't say the accent,
Speaker 1: you're not free. It's like, what the fuck is this
Speaker 1: person doing. They're like, just we Vegan, Like you don't
Speaker 1: say that she's Bee Megan, Like you just say it
Speaker 1: like nicely. That's part of the idea. Yeah, it's partly
Speaker 1: honesty exactly what do you want? No, but this morning
Speaker 1: there was actually fourteen there was Yeah, it was I
Speaker 1: did yeah, and Jazz was asleep. I was like, surely
Speaker 1: jas is gonna wake up? Allowed I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: one there, there's one every northeast southwest, never could be
Speaker 1: weeks anyway, Oh very good. Um. But I remember when
Speaker 1: I used to speak when I when I was in Russia,
Speaker 1: I would like, my Russian was so Australian, so I'd
Speaker 1: be like I would just use like I would just
Speaker 1: say I speak Russian, and Russian says like, yeah, what
Speaker 1: do you want to say to me? But I would
Speaker 1: say yeah, par Ski, Yeah, but you no one to
Speaker 1: you go over there, because I went French before I
Speaker 1: went over, and I was like, so Australian. When I
Speaker 1: went over, I was like, fun, why am I saying this?
Speaker 1: So are you both saying that the different identity would
Speaker 1: come from the different accent. I feel like it's an
Speaker 1: indicative of the different identity you step into when you
Speaker 1: go to The language is literally interconnected with identity. I
Speaker 1: did see your twelve and I stick by it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't go that well in English, but I can
Speaker 1: try to explain it. Um. No, it's just like the
Speaker 1: word we use, the syntax, the semantics, the meaning behind
Speaker 1: everything we say, like like Aussie is like we shorten things,
Speaker 1: and that that in its way, it's like we say
Speaker 1: like smoker when we say like servo or whatever, and
Speaker 1: that in its way is like we're like lazy. We
Speaker 1: are we're lazy, and we're like, yeah, casual and lazy.
Speaker 1: I think um in a general like genuine, very generalized,
Speaker 1: stereotypical way, but like um compared compared to like yeah French,
Speaker 1: where it's like eloquent, yeah, like it's sounding beautiful and
Speaker 1: like all these like you say these sayings, like these
Speaker 1: phrases and because you say this, you know, like metaphors,
Speaker 1: you sound more, you're eloquent, more like that, And maybe
Speaker 1: that's a part of I feel like it is you
Speaker 1: do have different identities because it's like what the language
Speaker 1: really shows what people value in that culture and even
Speaker 1: the way of like forming sentences. I also feel like
Speaker 1: when you step into a different culture and you speak
Speaker 1: a different language, you start to identify with different people,
Speaker 1: and just by inherent nature, you start to identify with
Speaker 1: people of different backgrounds and of different like cultural values.
Speaker 1: I'm getting hot, we're sitting next to the heater. Guys.
Speaker 1: Now that actually that's a weird example because like in
Speaker 1: the Arab world, it's beauty for women is very big,
Speaker 1: like it's like, well, like to be fair, like there
Speaker 1: isn't much natural like outdoorsy stuff, which is what I
Speaker 1: would usually be into. So that even like the when
Speaker 1: I was over there, I like, obviously I don't I
Speaker 1: actually do like anyone nails and stuff, but I like
Speaker 1: I would love and like everyone vibed getting their nails
Speaker 1: and everyone vibed having their hair and makeup. Really now,
Speaker 1: so it's like I can actually do this and I
Speaker 1: don't like in Australia. I love to go in the
Speaker 1: outdoors and I love to be you know you as
Speaker 1: you know, like all this sporty stuff in when I
Speaker 1: was in the arab when I was in Jordan, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh I can, like I don't. I can't
Speaker 1: do that because there's no option to do that. I'll
Speaker 1: go to their culture and I'll do my hair. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. It was just like you feel more immersed
Speaker 1: in it, and therefore you feel more like, yeah, all right, Maddie,
Speaker 1: you actually lived in China, so let's talk about her
Speaker 1: to her. So we've all lived in the countries that
Speaker 1: we have. We speak a language job, so I feel
Speaker 1: like it's kind of difficult because when when you're back
Speaker 1: in Australia, I have not spoken Russian to anyone for
Speaker 1: about a year. It's so hard because the context of
Speaker 1: us is Shalan. Yeah, no one speaks Russian here. I
Speaker 1: feel like when I first lived in China and I
Speaker 1: didn't speak good Chinese at this point, and the job
Speaker 1: that I had in Guangga back in twenty seventeen, I
Speaker 1: was the only foreigner there and something that I really
Speaker 1: struggled with linguistically was when people would ask me to
Speaker 1: do things. Yeah, in in Chinese, and the requests sound
Speaker 1: much more direct in Chinese they do in English because
Speaker 1: in English, yeah, you don't just please and thank you
Speaker 1: as often, and Chinese doesn't have as many pillow Well, yes,
Speaker 1: the filler is like you please. I think we really
Speaker 1: a a special piment. We love to head your language.
Speaker 1: Really sorry, I'm sorry to bother, but if you have time,
Speaker 1: could you really possible possible please if ye do this?
Speaker 1: But something I also really thought about and just on
Speaker 1: the accent topic quickly with like Chinese, I think it's
Speaker 1: a whole um different ball game there because it's a
Speaker 1: tonal language. So it's it's kind of like if you
Speaker 1: don't have of somewhat of a good accent, you're completely like,
Speaker 1: actually don't you're understood, yeahs understood, Yeah you can't. So
Speaker 1: being adopting the language means that like you do have
Speaker 1: a different identitally because otherwise you can't communicate with people.
Speaker 1: So it's like you have to do it because you
Speaker 1: can't speak a language without having the accent basically the language. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least having I think I think you have less
Speaker 1: flexibility with your pronunciation when it's a tonal language. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do they think? Like you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: what do French whip when we speak Aussie French? Like
Speaker 1: do they like, oh if when we just when they
Speaker 1: hear it, they would just think of it. They could
Speaker 1: understand what the fuck is it? But actually, can I
Speaker 1: say this about what you were saying? Like when you
Speaker 1: go to France or when I was in like Russia,
Speaker 1: and you know, the accent was such a huge part.
Speaker 1: Perhaps people who were speaking French or people who were
Speaker 1: speaking Russian who come to Australia are equally like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I feel like I can't actually get into
Speaker 1: this culture because the Aussies have such a strange Jackson.
Speaker 1: That's why so important to travel and like understanding that
Speaker 1: because we want stand if a French, if like a
Speaker 1: you know whoever, like a international person came to Alan,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, oh, that's so like they're speaking English,
Speaker 1: like that's amazing, you know, but they're like people like
Speaker 1: to stand as He's like I often got that was
Speaker 1: like when I was in Russia, Like people couldn't understand
Speaker 1: my English. Like sometimes even though they suppose English, it's
Speaker 1: was American or American American. That's a big problem and
Speaker 1: then I'd be there like heavy on the vows as
Speaker 1: much as as much the dialect interesting of Nash. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you find because when whenever I go back to Queensland,
Speaker 1: my my Australian accident just like what's what? That's what? Like?
Speaker 1: No ither when my brother went to queens and when
Speaker 1: he came back his accident was so Queensland. I was like, Kay,
Speaker 1: have you notice that when we were in Queensland was
Speaker 1: my accent stronger? Or did you not really notice? I
Speaker 1: didn't notice. What you're gonna say, Maybe you had a
Speaker 1: point I thing. I wanted that down, yes, back down
Speaker 1: to the ground and the movement. I find really interesting
Speaker 1: about Chinese, particularly now that we're having a huge conversation
Speaker 1: about pronouns, is that I've spoken Chinese. There is no
Speaker 1: differentiation between men and women. Everyone is tart. Is that you?
Speaker 1: Or is that he? She? Oh? Really that is cool
Speaker 1: because everybody's complete its Yeah, it's everyone is tar. It's
Speaker 1: only when you write like and you want to say
Speaker 1: tar blah blah blah as in a woman that you
Speaker 1: use a different use of female radical And interestingly, when
Speaker 1: you use the tar character for a man, it's not
Speaker 1: a male radical. It is the person radical because man
Speaker 1: is the default human. And when you say they in
Speaker 1: Chinese the default human in Chinese, or in Chinese, what's
Speaker 1: the default human? Is it person? Like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Because I'm referring to like, what's that object
Speaker 1: over there? Associate it's a chair? Would you say that
Speaker 1: most objects in a male or it or it is
Speaker 1: not gender? But but the it is also tar. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: but a different character because but so you don't use
Speaker 1: that word that often in Chinese, because Chinese doesn't you
Speaker 1: don't really repeat the subject first time, that doesn't really arise.
Speaker 1: But when you want to say like they and you
Speaker 1: use the tar character plus the character that indicates like
Speaker 1: like the plurality, you use the male tar character and
Speaker 1: something as well, words like like jealousy in Chinese, that
Speaker 1: that has a female radical, And I think that's interesting.
Speaker 1: So that a cultural I don't wonder if that shapes
Speaker 1: the way that you think about gender. But yeah, English, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's good. That's actually been researched quite like a lot.
Speaker 1: It's like the gender like the genders of certain nouns
Speaker 1: French Enguish shapes because English doesn't have genders, does it
Speaker 1: not really like you say, like you know, like vehicles
Speaker 1: or cheese and you're like or in that sense. No,
Speaker 1: but it's like you know, like I like lamp over there,
Speaker 1: I'm it's not hurt in Italian, like lamp might be feminine.
Speaker 1: Yeah in French yeah, or like whatever. And I don't
Speaker 1: know like the radical or what about the but like
Speaker 1: English doesn't have it, but then English, I feel like
Speaker 1: every English speaking country there's definitely gender issues. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I searched up what are the matria I remember this,
Speaker 1: What are the matriarchies in like the world. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't remember. There was one in like Tibet kind of
Speaker 1: China area. I just remember that somewhere there there was
Speaker 1: like a huge matriarchy society. Yeah, that's one in East
Speaker 1: Africa as well. Yeah. Like it's really cool as a
Speaker 1: psyche kind of talking about psychology like and linguistics and
Speaker 1: the intersection between linguistics and even sociology, like doing a
Speaker 1: triple discipline on this on this topic, heaps of fun,
Speaker 1: but like it would be really really interesting to think
Speaker 1: about perspectives on gender and respect around gender and gender
Speaker 1: hierarchy based on how language treats it, which kind of
Speaker 1: comes into cultural identity like oh yeah, yeah, so interconnected.
Speaker 1: Like the language you use is like we were talking
Speaker 1: about with the deaf blind thing, language is primarily your
Speaker 1: main mode of communication. So and it becomes almost like
Speaker 1: unconscious and implicit. So if your language is treating a
Speaker 1: gender in a certain way, even just in its semantics,
Speaker 1: how does that translate or where did that come from?
Speaker 1: Really gets like in Russia and it's like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: just like everything is gendered. Everything is gender object. It's
Speaker 1: a female object now like they is it in arig
Speaker 1: it's they sheet or they have the distinction between genders
Speaker 1: is so much stronger. Yeah, but how would you if
Speaker 1: you were like I'm like, what's the word non binary?
Speaker 1: Like equi any other languages? That's just another thing? How
Speaker 1: would you become You wouldn't have an identity in another
Speaker 1: language because you're not a you're not that, you're not
Speaker 1: like it or in Chinese, yes, but in Arabican, Russian
Speaker 1: not a day, Like there's no that. You can't be poor,
Speaker 1: you can't be you can't yeah, you're either. It's really
Speaker 1: hard for like growing world though, because like how how
Speaker 1: are people who are non binary or that was their identity,
Speaker 1: linguistic background, it's very historical. It was a very history.
Speaker 1: You would definitely get into Oxford College with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was so fucking true. Oh my god, myself, it
Speaker 1: was really interesting. I did not even think about that
Speaker 1: for really listening to this, because I forgot. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and you need a bit of a positivity. I've alway
Speaker 1: just send this to Oxford and be like, here you go,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts? Give me like some constructive three
Speaker 1: PhD fundfully change and I would like to work on
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think I would climentase is
Speaker 1: too big. What would you Okay, wait, kind of an interest,
Speaker 1: like a bit of a movement away, what would you
Speaker 1: do your PhD on? And if you could in the
Speaker 1: next five years, maybe fires in Australia, something to do
Speaker 1: with bush fires, something something local though, Yeah, what would
Speaker 1: you do your PhD on? Mm hmm, well, gender, that's gender. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so it's so hard to narrow down. I think
Speaker 1: I'm really interested in social media and democracy, but I'm
Speaker 1: also really interested in, you know, the Australian China space
Speaker 1: is social mode a new form of imperialism. I don't
Speaker 1: know what that means. I would do my PhD on
Speaker 1: false memories and the prevalence of false memories. But then
Speaker 1: I also, is there such thing as a true memory? No?
Speaker 1: Absolutely is not. There is absolutely no. Okay, don't say much.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry psychology I could not do. It's
Speaker 1: just sociology. Psychology. I would just how is it as
Speaker 1: a psychology student do you find it hard to navigate
Speaker 1: the duality of kind of having that elevated self awareness
Speaker 1: of why you think the way that you do and
Speaker 1: what kind of like thinking traps you're susceptible too, and
Speaker 1: at the same time still being susceptible to them. You
Speaker 1: know what, It really sucks because you would think, so
Speaker 1: this is the thing with unconscious processes. Being aware of
Speaker 1: them doesn't actually do anything. So I have this issue
Speaker 1: or unt involuntary. Absolutely, I get stuck in thinking traps
Speaker 1: all the time, like, and I know why they occur.
Speaker 1: I know, like it's really crazy because I'll go into
Speaker 1: my therapist office and that's true and what happens. But
Speaker 1: I'm like I already already know, Like she'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: we should do this, and I'm like yeah, But like
Speaker 1: the other day she was like, we should do DT
Speaker 1: and I was dialectical menial therapy and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: but I know that it has this downside and it's
Speaker 1: actually not going to work for me because I know
Speaker 1: that this is an issue with it and actually I
Speaker 1: didn't have this background, so talking about it will actually
Speaker 1: be worse for me. And She's but it's very that's
Speaker 1: very specific. That's like a one line thing, but it's
Speaker 1: like every individence or intrusive thoughts as well. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I know exactly why I'm getting intrusive thoughts. I know
Speaker 1: exactly and all the process behind it, but like I
Speaker 1: still get the two edge saw it again. Yes it
Speaker 1: kind of sucks. Yeah, all like that the whole thing
Speaker 1: about I always I think this all the time, and
Speaker 1: I know it's quite like I would say, it's not privilege,
Speaker 1: but just like privilege and the fact that I have
Speaker 1: like we all have quite big brains, you know brains
Speaker 1: have the tiny head though, so really I feel like
Speaker 1: I have a big head, medium head. I was like,
Speaker 1: mine's pretty big? Is big? Yea here? I used to
Speaker 1: get my parents as to call me sure I have
Speaker 1: a square Wait wait, what was the privilege? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like um would you rather this is I don't think
Speaker 1: this is a very ethical question, so I probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: be on that question on that board exam. But like,
Speaker 1: would you rather be I think I've said this intelligence,
Speaker 1: intelligent and have mental health anxiety issues, overthinking issues, or
Speaker 1: dumb and not because you and not even think about
Speaker 1: it because you're dumb and you won't think that in
Speaker 1: your words, Okay, would you rather be smart and have
Speaker 1: to deal with like fucked thinking or would you rather
Speaker 1: data and not have to think about But then also
Speaker 1: if you're dumb, you get susceptible to capitalism and you
Speaker 1: get to you work for nothing and you work hard
Speaker 1: for nothing. No, but that's not true. Yeah, but no,
Speaker 1: but that's like lots of people, Yes, it is in
Speaker 1: insenses in lots of cases, people don't know what's out
Speaker 1: there right now. Like some people just don't know what's
Speaker 1: out there. They haven't had that access and they or
Speaker 1: they haven't and they don't know what they can literally
Speaker 1: like do think they can do what they want for
Speaker 1: so much easier, they can have such a good life,
Speaker 1: but they haven't seen it and they're working so hard.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it really depends because like I had
Speaker 1: this like awful experience at the start of the year,
Speaker 1: it changes where I'm like, it's so fucked. But it's
Speaker 1: like I know that being an intelligent person means that,
Speaker 1: like it comes with so much. The amount of time
Speaker 1: I'm in my own head is like absolutely sickening. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I just wish that I could just pull out my
Speaker 1: mind and like put it on a table so I
Speaker 1: could just like be this like little figure that just
Speaker 1: doesn't think about stuff. It does not thinking about stuff
Speaker 1: necessarily mean that you're not intelligent, or is it just
Speaker 1: that you're better able to sign thoughts? I don't know, meditation, baby,
Speaker 1: maybe if you just meditate here, mean you like if
Speaker 1: I didn't, if I didn't even have to think about meditating,
Speaker 1: and my thoughts just like went through. It's just like guys,
Speaker 1: I feel like they just don't think. So guys are dumb,
Speaker 1: maybe emotionally the intelligence, I don't know what, like internal intelligence.
Speaker 1: Every man I've ever known has been a little bit stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they just don't they don't care. It's more, it's
Speaker 1: not like they aren't caring a bad bad they just
Speaker 1: don't care. Like they just like I don't think it's true.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I maybe a lot of
Speaker 1: I feel like there are some that I've met who
Speaker 1: are very but this is more about like anxiousness rather
Speaker 1: than intelligence. You know. Wait wait wait, wait, wait, Naddie answered, sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't stay with you. I think I think that
Speaker 1: being of a higher intelligence naturally makes you have a
Speaker 1: greater degree of existential awareness, which can make you more depressed.
Speaker 1: But I think that at the same time, I think
Speaker 1: it also allows you to have maybe richer experiences formed
Speaker 1: deeper connections, And I think the downside of that is
Speaker 1: that the things that you feel to perhaps a more
Speaker 1: like heightened extreme in a good way, that you might
Speaker 1: get to feel um at an above average level, to
Speaker 1: um someone that is like unimplined to thinking in deeper ways,
Speaker 1: and you appreciate the same more time. It comes with
Speaker 1: feeling the lows more acutely. So it just depends whether
Speaker 1: you want to kind of have consistency and a more
Speaker 1: Plato stable life. But that's like shit, because like it's
Speaker 1: all relative. Like if we're happy, it means we've had
Speaker 1: to have sad times, you know, absolutely, But yeah, that's question.
Speaker 1: How do we how can we know if we are happy?
Speaker 1: I might just might have to move on to that's
Speaker 1: another point. Um, I just feel so bad, like why
Speaker 1: I wish everyone like, you know, do you ever feel
Speaker 1: so bad about like people? Like why aren't they? You know,
Speaker 1: they could do so many things. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just feel like, yeah, you metric though maybe they are
Speaker 1: happy doing that. I know. That's a good point. That's
Speaker 1: a very good point. But it's like it's a very
Speaker 1: good point. Actually, it's beautiful that you recognize their potential
Speaker 1: and you're like, if I had that potential, this is
Speaker 1: what I would do with. Yeah, but everyone's brains did
Speaker 1: why are different? I suppose maybe they don't want that.
Speaker 1: It's like my cousins. I love them to bits, but
Speaker 1: they want very different things to me. And that very
Speaker 1: good point. Yeah, I feel like when I was younger,
Speaker 1: I would often be like, I don't say we are
Speaker 1: the most each individual is er em Yeah, absolutely, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you all for listening. We realized. Maddie just realized
Speaker 1: that we have to go fucking clean up the kitchen
Speaker 1: asked the question, we have one more question to leave
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, here's a good question for you. The
Speaker 1: poet who who asked to clean the kitchen so the
Speaker 1: first one is, how do you know whether you were happy? Oh,
Speaker 1: big one. I really wish we'd answered that. Maybe we
Speaker 1: can do a part two, okay next time. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maddie's funny one is I already said it. Should we
Speaker 1: banish the poets? Yes, I have a thing. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: remember when I was dating my Oh, I don't make
Speaker 1: hates that I'm talking about men at the moment, but
Speaker 1: like disgusting, Oh my god, oh my god. He used
Speaker 1: to write me poems and I literally wouldn't want to drop.
Speaker 1: It was like I saw this really funny. Mean the
Speaker 1: other day it was like open to Snapchat expecting it
Speaker 1: to be a dick pick, but it was a poem,
Speaker 1: which is somehow so much worse. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that's so true. Anyhow, some beautiful
Speaker 1: questions coming out of this. I hope as you were
Speaker 1: listening you kind of got to think about them as well.
Speaker 1: I think it's a really good, like kind of mental exercise,
Speaker 1: Like we were really in this moment just like discussing things,
Speaker 1: you know, all that worry about, like whether the Internet
Speaker 1: is like fucking without cognition and it all will be okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you just answer some of these Oxford questions. No
Speaker 1: need to everythink. Yeah, everything, It's okay, Mattie Okay, Mattie's
Speaker 1: the existentialist, I'm the mediator, and Meg is the passionate one.
Speaker 1: Like that's I'm an Aquarius Aquarius, I'm a pios. No,
Speaker 1: isn't aquarius coaster not water Aquarius. It's aquari, It's aquarier.
Speaker 1: It's aquarium aquarium. It has aquarius a sign. Yes, No,
Speaker 1: that is absolutely yes, you're telling me answer. Cancer is
Speaker 1: a water sign, but of warious is not a water sign. Yes,
Speaker 1: I am pies. Anyway, anyhow, I forgot we were recording.
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