Speaker 1: This is Intimate Knowledge with Megan King. It's a show
Speaker 1: about sex. Hello everybody, and welcome back to Intimate Knowledge.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Meghan King. You can find me on
Speaker 1: Instagram at Meghan King or guyahnexperience dot com, where you
Speaker 1: can check out all of our women's growth retreats and
Speaker 1: sign up and meet me in a beautiful city somewhere
Speaker 1: around the world. So, okay, today I'm excited. I am
Speaker 1: going to talk to Danielle Rule from Love Is Blind.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with that show. But before we go into that,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about a couple headlines. These are
Speaker 1: headlines about me and also just about I don't know,
Speaker 1: weird things that are happening in the gossip world with
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift and TikTok phenoms. So let's get started, ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Okay, first of all, there is this tech
Speaker 1: talk trend. It's called boyfriend air. Have you guys heard
Speaker 1: of this before? I've never heard of this. I feel
Speaker 1: like TikTok trends are a little bit younger than me
Speaker 1: for the most part. But then some people like my
Speaker 1: digital manager, he's basically my assistant. He he was. He'll
Speaker 1: tell me about these trends, and he'll send me links
Speaker 1: to the tiktoks and I watch them and I'm like,
Speaker 1: these are so fun, and then I find myself getting
Speaker 1: addicted and like scrolling through and watching with my kids.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna get addicted to this one.
Speaker 1: This is boyfriend air. So basically, it's when it's not
Speaker 1: a good thing, it's negative. It's when you're hanging out
Speaker 1: with your boyfriend for a long period of time or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, you're starting to get comfortable, and next thing
Speaker 1: you know, you like get ready in the morning, you
Speaker 1: do your hair and makeup, and you go over to
Speaker 1: hang out with your boyfriend, and a couple of hours
Speaker 1: pass and you look like absolute or shit, Like your
Speaker 1: hair is greasy, your makeup have somehow evaporated into thin air.
Speaker 1: And this is my theory on it. First of all,
Speaker 1: anybody who has been in a relationship for like longer
Speaker 1: than are a cup more than one relationship that has
Speaker 1: lasted for longer than six months knows that like this
Speaker 1: is called getting comfortable. This is not called boyfriend air.
Speaker 1: This is called you are just comfortable with your significant other.
Speaker 1: You don't have to try as hard. You both love
Speaker 1: each other for who you are. You know each other
Speaker 1: below just skin deep level, and beauty is not just
Speaker 1: skin deep, and you both understand that, and so now
Speaker 1: you are just caring less. It's not that the makeup
Speaker 1: melts away. That's it's that you're not paid attention to
Speaker 1: smudging it off because it doesn't ultimately matter anyways. You
Speaker 1: know what. It's interesting because I remember when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, I was in high school, and you'd always
Speaker 1: want a new dress for a dance or whatever. We
Speaker 1: wore uniforms, so we would love to get dressed up
Speaker 1: for dances, and we would often go to Forever twenty
Speaker 1: one because there was very affordable clothes, which we called Forever.
Speaker 1: Who's and who'sh is a name, a derogatory term that
Speaker 1: Midwesterners use. It probably came from the Indiana Hoosia's at
Speaker 1: some point, but it's not has nothing to do with that.
Speaker 1: Hoosier is a word that we use to kind of
Speaker 1: say like low class, little trashy, little just unrefined, not
Speaker 1: very sophisticated or durable. And this is the how we
Speaker 1: describe the closet Forever twenty one. And I think anyone
Speaker 1: would probably agree with that, and so we would say
Speaker 1: we'd walk around the store and we would say to
Speaker 1: our friends, is this cute? Oh my gosh, look at this?
Speaker 1: Look at this? And sometimes we would look at each
Speaker 1: other and with a scowl, look up and down like
Speaker 1: who are you? You have forever whoge eyes? And basically
Speaker 1: that just meant that you had looked at this type
Speaker 1: of clothing for so long that you started to believe
Speaker 1: that this is normal and this is what it's supposed
Speaker 1: to look like, and really you just need to recalibrate
Speaker 1: and get back to what normal clothing looks like a
Speaker 1: little bit classier clothing, and then you can go pick
Speaker 1: out your outfit at Forever twenty one, but recalibrations would
Speaker 1: be necessary. I know that sounds harsh and judgmental, and
Speaker 1: it absolutely was, and I don't think that. I think
Speaker 1: that we can all probably relate to something like that,
Speaker 1: and if not good for you, you are a better place
Speaker 1: person than I am. I think this is also related
Speaker 1: to the happy weight that people get in relationships, similar
Speaker 1: to when you know the fresh well, I was gonna
Speaker 1: say the freshman fifteen. I think that just has to
Speaker 1: do with stress and anxiety, whereas like if you're gaining
Speaker 1: weight because you're in love. It's the lack of having
Speaker 1: stress and anxiety. When I have stress and anxiety, I
Speaker 1: don't gain weight. I lose weight. When other people have
Speaker 1: stress and anxiety, maybe they eat their feelings. Everybody's different.
Speaker 1: Do men notice this? They absolutely do not, because they
Speaker 1: are right there with you, honey, they are Their skin
Speaker 1: is breaking out. They are not getting haircuts every whatever
Speaker 1: they do four weeks, six weeks. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what they do. I feel like my boys are always
Speaker 1: getting their haircut, So I don't know what grown ups
Speaker 1: do if it grows faster or slower. But yes, it
Speaker 1: happens to everybody, ladies, so you are not alone. I
Speaker 1: feel like this is probably, you know, more for the
Speaker 1: young kids. But if maybe you're thirty eight and you're
Speaker 1: starting to date for the first time in the internet world,
Speaker 1: well welcome, ladies, because it's real fun out there and
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a great time and don't worry about
Speaker 1: this phenomenon. Okay, all right, So also Taylor Swift and
Speaker 1: Joe Alwins breakup. First of all, I didn't even know
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift would dating anybody, and I'm a Swiftie. I
Speaker 1: love her. I think she's a badass. I love her lyrics,
Speaker 1: and I didn't even know she was dating anybody. So
Speaker 1: good on you, Taylor Swift for hiding that relationship from
Speaker 1: me for six years. And I'm like the nosiest person
Speaker 1: in the world and also the world's best detective. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much. Real Housewives of Orange County Season ten,
Speaker 1: when I discovered that Brooks doesn't have cancer on national television,
Speaker 1: that is right. I am the Housewives detective and I
Speaker 1: did not know this about Taylor Swift. Now, the breakup
Speaker 1: happened a few weeks ago. I think Taylor, you know
Speaker 1: they've been together six years. I think John or Joe.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. See, look, I don't even know. He probably
Speaker 1: wanted more stability and private within the that privacy can provide,
Speaker 1: stability that privacy can provide, and Taylor's just not that.
Speaker 1: And she's a free spirit. She's very creative spirit, and
Speaker 1: she's she seems organized and like she has a very
Speaker 1: clear trajectory for what she wants to do with her career.
Speaker 1: So Taylor Swift has everything she needs. She has money,
Speaker 1: she has fame, she has she's smart, she's connections. I mean,
Speaker 1: what does this woman need. It's not like she could
Speaker 1: really truly like marry someone and create you know, some
Speaker 1: sort of As I'm saying this, I'm like, yes, she
Speaker 1: could some sort of like empire, and then I'm thinking
Speaker 1: like jay Z and Beyonce and yeah, actually, never mind,
Speaker 1: I take that back. But what I'm saying is she
Speaker 1: doesn't need to settle, and she doesn't need to create
Speaker 1: a bigger empire than she's already created. One of the
Speaker 1: top musical artists in the entire world. So if she
Speaker 1: wants something that's bigger than her relationship, then she's probably
Speaker 1: going to be more apt to like leave it behind.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just like really going on a
Speaker 1: limb here. But what's so interesting is that some people
Speaker 1: are speculating that the breakup with a PR stunt due
Speaker 1: to timing, because right now she has a thirteen day
Speaker 1: break from her tour and this would allow her to
Speaker 1: stay in the news cycle. So is this a PR
Speaker 1: I think Taylor is a marketing genius, So if it
Speaker 1: is a PR stunt, I think it's perfectly timed and
Speaker 1: brilliant if you ask me, and I am here for it,
Speaker 1: And maybe it wasn't even her timing, maybe like this
Speaker 1: is what I'm thinking. She and her boyfriend breakup. She's thinking, great,
Speaker 1: this is gonna come out at some point somewhat where
Speaker 1: like when should this come out? It's not like Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift needs to be in the news, like she's super
Speaker 1: super famous, but without being in the news. But like,
Speaker 1: all right, so she's thinking, all right, this has to
Speaker 1: come out at some point, Well, how can I do
Speaker 1: this where I can like emotionally handle the backlash from this?
Speaker 1: And she's a very sensitive person, it seems like, and
Speaker 1: it's hard to go through a public breakup, and so
Speaker 1: she's probably like, all right, I have a thirteen day break.
Speaker 1: I could probably process it and kind of hide, Like
Speaker 1: people won't be screaming at me asking me questions about
Speaker 1: it as I walk into the concerts. So let's let
Speaker 1: it break during. Then, I really don't think it's necessarily
Speaker 1: about pr although I don't think it hurts. And also
Speaker 1: Taylor's all about making, you know, coming up with the
Speaker 1: next great lyrics, So now she has a lot to
Speaker 1: write about. And truly I believe that, and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that as a negative thing or or like to
Speaker 1: be condescending to her. I think that a true like
Speaker 1: creative personality like Taylor's, where she infuses her own personality
Speaker 1: in emotions into her lyrics, she requires a lot of
Speaker 1: life experience in order to do that in a way
Speaker 1: that masses can relate to. And as long as she's
Speaker 1: authentic to herself, then she is going to come across
Speaker 1: that way in her lyrics. And it does. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's freaking Taylor Swift. It's sad though, because she was
Speaker 1: just like there was rumors she was just gonna get
Speaker 1: married even a few weeks ago, and you know, she
Speaker 1: was with this guy for six years. I think that
Speaker 1: when we've learned on the show that people know after
Speaker 1: six months of dating if they're with the one that
Speaker 1: they're going to be with. So it's either that they
Speaker 1: know that they're going to be with them and they're
Speaker 1: just delaying tying than not or getting engaged, or they
Speaker 1: know they're not going to be with them and they're
Speaker 1: delaying the inevitable breakup because sometimes comfort is really what
Speaker 1: we're looking for more than like long term, you know,
Speaker 1: longevity in a relationship. So I don't know what Taylor
Speaker 1: Taylor's was thinking there, but you know. I was at
Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio Music Awards recently and she was presented an award.
Speaker 1: What was it? It was Innovator of the Year, and
Speaker 1: she gave a great speech. She's so inspirational, and I'm
Speaker 1: I feel bad for her. My heart goes out to her.
Speaker 1: But you know, keep doing you, Taylor. What's new with me? Okay,
Speaker 1: we should talk about this really quickly. So I have
Speaker 1: this subscriber page on my Instagram right, so my subscribers
Speaker 1: can paid nine to ninety nine a month, and I
Speaker 1: talk about more in depth things on that page about
Speaker 1: my personal life. I talk about my son and struggles
Speaker 1: with my I talk about struggles with co parenting. Well, anyways,
Speaker 1: a woman came to me alleging some infidelity that didn't
Speaker 1: with someone that did not include me. I'm being very
Speaker 1: cryptic because I'm not trying to start a war or anything.
Speaker 1: And I also know what it's like to be a
Speaker 1: public figure and people come forward and say things that
Speaker 1: aren't true. However, I have strong reason to believe that
Speaker 1: everything that this person was saying is true. It's just
Speaker 1: interesting how even after a divorce, I got officially divorced
Speaker 1: two years ago, officially separated I think three and a
Speaker 1: half years ago, and it's incredible how after three and
Speaker 1: a half years things keep surfacing. Does it hurt less?
Speaker 1: I think so. I think it hurts less. But what
Speaker 1: it doesn't help is my trust that I have in
Speaker 1: myself and my own picker. Because I thought I was
Speaker 1: with someone and I thought I knew who he was,
Speaker 1: and then I find out that he's not who I
Speaker 1: think he is. We split up, and then I have
Speaker 1: things like what just happened to me, you know, a
Speaker 1: few days ago, with this woman coming forward, and it
Speaker 1: just helps remind me yet again that there's even more
Speaker 1: that I don't know about this stranger that I was
Speaker 1: married to and living with for seven years and have
Speaker 1: three children with. And that's a very sad place to be.
Speaker 1: So on that note, I am going to a music
Speaker 1: festival with my girlfriend this weekend, and we're going to Austin, Texas,
Speaker 1: and there are plenty of good looking cowboys down there,
Speaker 1: so I will report back with some great country music,
Speaker 1: some good looking tans on, some hopefully scantily clad men,
Speaker 1: but like appropriately clad, but just like we'll be outside,
Speaker 1: so maybe a shirt could be removed, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: mad about that. And I'm not talking about hooking up.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about just a little eye candy. Okay, Like
Speaker 1: I'm still a woman, I still have eyeballs because everything
Speaker 1: with my guy is going just fine and swimming. I mean,
Speaker 1: it is what it is, right It's a situationship and
Speaker 1: that is just fine for me right now. Chris Harrison
Speaker 1: had some words of advice for me. He didn't think
Speaker 1: that I am in a healthy relationship. But I pushed
Speaker 1: back because I said, just because it's not traditional doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that it's unhealthy. And this is healthy for me.
Speaker 1: So that's where I'm That's where I'm gonna stay right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: in the waiting room, we have Danielle Rule. Danielle Rule,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being with us today.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you on. And for those
Speaker 1: of you who don't know Danielle Rule, she was a
Speaker 1: contestant on season two of Love Is Blind, and so
Speaker 1: she and her ex husband Nick Thompson, they met on
Speaker 1: the show Were You Guys are actually the first couple
Speaker 1: of the season to get engaged, but file for divorce
Speaker 1: a few months after the season aired in August of
Speaker 1: last year, and you live in Chicago and work in advertising,
Speaker 1: and you're very open about topics surrounding mental health. Did
Speaker 1: I miss anything? I'm sure there's a lot more, But
Speaker 1: does that summarize it? Elevator sweet, Yes, yes, exactly. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm so stoked to have you on. I'm a
Speaker 1: huge fan of Love is Blind. Actually, I should say
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of Love and Blind season one
Speaker 1: and season two. Now I feel like it's Love is
Speaker 1: Blind is in the seasons of like this the reality
Speaker 1: curse that happens to almost every reality show. And I
Speaker 1: can say this because I was on a reality show
Speaker 1: for three years, but I think it's in the in
Speaker 1: the in the moment of everybody knows what it is,
Speaker 1: so they're going to go on to try to get
Speaker 1: Insta famous, and it's just feels a little bit more
Speaker 1: choreographed now. So you guys in the first season were
Speaker 1: obviously like, wait, beyond the best, but I you and
Speaker 1: and Nick had the craziest love story of all I know.
Speaker 2: I mean during the time period, none of that was fabricated,
Speaker 2: like one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I felt like that.
Speaker 2: I still get goosebumps thinking about the fact that that
Speaker 2: even was like work for it didn't work for me
Speaker 2: long time. But the fact that in the moment, yeah.
Speaker 1: What like was it like you were just so engrossed
Speaker 1: in the moment and each other you kind of forgot
Speaker 1: about the world around you.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, one, there really is no world around you, right,
Speaker 2: and so yes, you forget about it, and you're also
Speaker 2: like dating twenty four to seven.
Speaker 1: But on top of that, it was kind of.
Speaker 2: Like you're dating a mix of different personalities that you
Speaker 2: don't necessarily always date and the.
Speaker 1: One can't see them. True, But that was one.
Speaker 2: Of the reasons I went on because it's funny, like,
Speaker 2: if you look at all of the people I've dated before,
Speaker 2: none of them look like I sometimes make fun of
Speaker 2: the people that I date because they're like, you know,
Speaker 2: like literally there's no consistency except the personality.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I think it was the exact opposite of the type
Speaker 2: of personality I typically go for, which is how I
Speaker 2: was like, you know, I would never would have dated
Speaker 2: someone with this kind of personality because transparently I used
Speaker 2: to go for like outwardly like.
Speaker 1: Outgoing.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say the word douchebag things. Okay,
Speaker 2: I know the type.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: So yeah, with someone that's like not typically someone who
Speaker 2: I would gravitate towards, I was like, wow, you know,
Speaker 2: like you don't necessarily own an opportunity he was.
Speaker 1: I mean, he seemed like where is he from? Like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's from Chicago. Yeah, that's right, because you guys all
Speaker 1: kind of have you know what, he kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me of like somebody from the Pacific Northwest. Like really
Speaker 1: he seems like really laid back and like a little
Speaker 1: quirky and like all in his fields and everything. And
Speaker 1: you guys seemed like a really good match in that way,
Speaker 1: like you were both very open and willing to share
Speaker 1: your emotions with one another, even if you weren't at
Speaker 1: the same place. Like you both it seemed like you
Speaker 1: both really respected each other.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I mean even like some of the
Speaker 2: conversations that didn't air and how deep they did get
Speaker 2: in the pot and honestly, in the pods, you kind
Speaker 2: of do forget that they're are camera's there. They're a
Speaker 2: lot more hidden it. But the conversations that we had
Speaker 2: one were deeper than I've had in relationships that I've
Speaker 2: had for years. And then two it's like the responses
Speaker 2: to like describing those emotions and getting someone else's perspective
Speaker 2: or hearing how someone else relates in a way that
Speaker 2: you know a lot of other people don't. And so
Speaker 2: when you're dating fifteen other people to start, and then
Speaker 2: you have this like deep connection with someone on these
Speaker 2: very very like in depth topics, you do form a bond. Right. Again,
Speaker 2: that's not necessarily something that like was shown, but it's
Speaker 2: something that kind.
Speaker 1: Of like brought us together pretty quickly. I mean I
Speaker 1: can see that too, because I was on the Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of Orange County for three seasons, and that's a
Speaker 1: big franchise. You know, there's Orange County in Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: and Jersey and Atlanta and a bunch of cities. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I had this, I have this bond
Speaker 1: with those women on my show that was it's even
Speaker 1: though I might not have liked all of them or
Speaker 1: gotten along all the time, like we definitely have something
Speaker 1: in common that only we can understand. And then that
Speaker 1: extends like one layer further with the rest of the franchise,
Speaker 1: you know, all of the other house anybody who's ever
Speaker 1: been a housewife ever, And again it's not necessarily about
Speaker 1: like do you connect do you not connect, It's that
Speaker 1: you have this shared bond that so few people in
Speaker 1: the world have. And so is that kind of what
Speaker 1: you're saying about your castmates with it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's how it was with Nick and
Speaker 2: I now castmates. I think that's why we hang out
Speaker 2: so much. One it's like, it really is the most
Speaker 2: authentic group of girls, Like really, like I need a
Speaker 2: phone call, and in a split second, any one of
Speaker 2: them will be like, I'm available. I remember when I
Speaker 2: was going through the divorce process. Within a second, ey
Speaker 2: on A showed up. And those are the kind of
Speaker 2: things where it's like I don't need to post on
Speaker 2: social media every single thing that they're doing for me.
Speaker 2: Behind the scenes, they are there for me twenty four
Speaker 2: to seven. And some people do think like, oh, they
Speaker 2: still hang out like for cloud blah blah blah, and
Speaker 2: it's like no, actually, like it's the behind the scenes things,
Speaker 2: not the pictures, not us posting on Instagram stories that
Speaker 2: make us still relate so much to one another. But
Speaker 2: even when talking with my friends, they straight up will
Speaker 2: say I don't know what that feels like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also like even if you would be hanging
Speaker 1: out with for cloud, fuck them because you're allowed to
Speaker 1: do that too. Like it. I mean, if you want
Speaker 1: to work in the world of entertainment, you gotta do
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. So screw you here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just want it like they're like the
Speaker 2: best people in.
Speaker 1: The entire way. But you guys seem like it. You
Speaker 1: guys all are normal people with normal lives, normal jobs
Speaker 1: and everything. It's not like it's not like the hot
Speaker 1: mess that is you know, the Real Housewives Orange County.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like The Bachelor or something. You know,
Speaker 1: you bring normal people on, except with like more age
Speaker 1: appropriate and like less like modeling. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's like we all had our separate relationships, we
Speaker 2: all went through breakups, we all went through like craziness
Speaker 2: of the show airing.
Speaker 1: It's like we have a little trauma, right, totally, you do. Okay,
Speaker 1: So did when you guys got divorced, did people pick
Speaker 1: sides or did everybody stay friends? Oh? So no, no
Speaker 1: one really picks sides.
Speaker 2: I mean there were instances in which people didn't necessarily
Speaker 2: appreciate the way that he would talk to me in
Speaker 2: front of them.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I could see that he was kind
Speaker 1: of condescending.
Speaker 2: I mean, even more so off Cameron. I have talked
Speaker 2: about this before where there were situations in which the
Speaker 2: girls picked up on before I did, and they actually
Speaker 2: didn't bring it to my attention until they realized that
Speaker 2: I had moved out. Because I moved out before I
Speaker 2: communicated to anyone that we weren't, you know, living together,
Speaker 2: we were still trying to make it worse.
Speaker 1: Were sneaky? You were sneaky, Danielle. Oh.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I got a new place to
Speaker 2: work from home at and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I feel so weird lying, but no, I moved out.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay, so why, like what happened? Why
Speaker 1: did you move out? Did you have to be sneaky
Speaker 1: about it? Or did you tell him? Do you guys
Speaker 1: talk about it?
Speaker 2: No, we talked about it first. There was an incident.
Speaker 2: We actually have not spoken or seen each other. It's
Speaker 2: almost a year now. It was like the Sunday at
Speaker 2: Loos that good or bad? We haven't talked at all
Speaker 2: during an entire divorce.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound good. No, no, no, I mean now
Speaker 1: it's good. Now, it's good. But like in the beginning,
Speaker 1: there was an argument that.
Speaker 2: It happened the Sunday of Lallapaloosa I will never forget.
Speaker 2: And after that I was like, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: that's when we split. So that's when I was like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: like the Sunday of Lallapalooza, that's when things just got
Speaker 2: to a point of no return.
Speaker 1: What was the fight about. It was so stupid. It
Speaker 1: was so stupid. It was like the straw that broke
Speaker 1: the camel's back, Like, were you guys like drinking too
Speaker 1: much and said something that you're not supposed to say
Speaker 1: and a heated moment it.
Speaker 2: Was yeah, it was a drunk argument, and then there
Speaker 2: was just a SNAr the stuff that was said.
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, like mean yeah, And
Speaker 1: it was that.
Speaker 2: It was like there were so many different situations, Like
Speaker 2: there was another situation in which caused me to move out,
Speaker 2: so I was already living separately before the whole Lolla
Speaker 2: Balooza incident. But that was also the same weekend when
Speaker 2: the girls were all there and they were like, oh man,
Speaker 2: that was so uncomfortable watching you guys interact with each other.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so you got divorce. You got married after
Speaker 1: how knowing this guy for how long? Like two weeks?
Speaker 1: Eight weeks? Okay, I got married after knowing somebody for
Speaker 1: five weeks and we got divorced two months after that,
Speaker 1: we got annulled. Did you get ann old or divorced? Divorce? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was fully real? Wow? So what would you ever
Speaker 1: do anything like this again? Do you think that it
Speaker 1: could be real? So?
Speaker 2: I mean that was the thing, Like it was real,
Speaker 2: Like there's no doubt in my mind that throughout the
Speaker 2: entire process it was real.
Speaker 1: The feelings were real.
Speaker 2: Well real long I should say, you need more than
Speaker 2: any once to know someone before getting married to him. Also, like,
Speaker 2: not on top of that, you're filming almost the entire time,
Speaker 2: so when you're like doing this show, yes, you get
Speaker 2: to know someone for eight weeks and some people get
Speaker 2: married before then, but we're also we were never not
Speaker 2: getting to know each other really behind cameras, unless it
Speaker 2: was like a couple hours a night, And I think
Speaker 2: that's what made it really difficult, is like, you know,
Speaker 2: I think we thought we knew each other enough, but
Speaker 2: looking back, it's like even though it was eight weeks,
Speaker 2: which you know, long time, not a long time, Like
Speaker 2: we really didn't get to know each other without something,
Speaker 2: you know, like you don't always act.
Speaker 1: Is there anything specific that you can think of that
Speaker 1: you really didn't get to know about the other person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there was a lot of different things
Speaker 2: in terms of like some of our just like core
Speaker 2: beliefs are entirely different, like and not even necessarily just
Speaker 2: like we have some you know, political belief differences, we
Speaker 2: have some medication belief differences, or you know, there's things
Speaker 2: like that where you don't talk about it. You're talking
Speaker 2: about all of these other things because there are you know,
Speaker 2: more pressing things that you think are more pressing. But
Speaker 2: then when it comes to being married and having kids,
Speaker 2: and it's like, wow, like one, I don't want to
Speaker 2: have to stop, you know, having my viewpoints on certain
Speaker 2: medications or certain you know, X, Y and Z, especially
Speaker 2: when thinking about having kids. So those are different things
Speaker 2: where it's like okay, like it's not as big of
Speaker 2: a deal until you're actually married and talking about these things,
Speaker 2: and then.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, those are huge value drivers. You know,
Speaker 1: I could definitely see that if you would you ever
Speaker 1: go back on a dating show again.
Speaker 2: You know, that's what gets a little bit tricky because
Speaker 2: I what I love is buying for a reason because
Speaker 2: of the fact of like the PREMI of you know,
Speaker 2: getting to know someone for who they are. I'm not
Speaker 2: a competitive girl, so me thinking about competitive like competing
Speaker 2: with other women, Like I never really have fights with girls,
Speaker 2: So I like hand of envisioned myself in the world
Speaker 2: of the Batcher where I'm like, I would like i would.
Speaker 1: Be like, oh, no, you didn't fight with anybody on
Speaker 1: Love is Blind. No, no, And I'm still actually like
Speaker 1: friends with everyone. Yeah, you like you staked your claim
Speaker 1: and and with Nick, and he stakes his claim with you,
Speaker 1: and that was that you guys are like the mom
Speaker 1: and dad of the group.
Speaker 2: I know. Well, there actually were love triangles between me
Speaker 2: and Nick behind the scenes that didn't air no way
Speaker 2: with who So there was someone who wasn't shown, but
Speaker 2: he there were Me and this other girl had very
Speaker 2: strong feelings for him. And I heard her coming out
Speaker 2: of a pod date and she was, you know, talking
Speaker 2: to the other girls about some of the things that
Speaker 2: he said, and she was like over the moon about it.
Speaker 2: So I went into our night date that night and
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I'm a little upset about
Speaker 2: this because you said the same exact line to her
Speaker 2: as you did me, and you said you were only
Speaker 2: here for me, and so you know, it's totally fine,
Speaker 2: like we're not supposed to put all of our eggs
Speaker 2: in one basket, and I want you to choose me
Speaker 2: because you want to choose me, right, So I'm not
Speaker 2: giving an ultimatum, just like don't lie to me, like if.
Speaker 1: You'll lie exactly, don't lie.
Speaker 2: And the next day he did break it off with her,
Speaker 2: but there was a long period of time where it
Speaker 2: was like me and someone else who wow, feelings for him,
Speaker 2: but not all that like not everything can be heard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, that's so interesting. So okay, well, what advice
Speaker 1: would you give to someone going on love is blind?
Speaker 2: Specifically one I didn't. I couldn't trust my feelings. I
Speaker 2: was like, is this real? Like how do I really
Speaker 2: feel this much?
Speaker 1: So soon?
Speaker 2: So I would like a second, I'm like, yeh man,
Speaker 2: like how because I felt a lot, Like literally day three,
Speaker 2: I was writing down that I was in love and
Speaker 2: wanting to call my mom and I was like is
Speaker 2: this possible? And so like I would get in my
Speaker 2: head thinking like okay, slow down, Danielle. But actually, like
Speaker 2: it is, and it was in addition to that is
Speaker 2: just like staying tue to yourself and not letting anyone
Speaker 2: else like help you form your opinion to your behaviors.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, good advice. So okay, I gotta bring up
Speaker 1: something that was controversial on the show. I forget his name,
Speaker 1: and he was the guy that everybody loved to hate
Speaker 1: because he was like, well, what does your body look like?
Speaker 1: And da da da daho? Who what's his name? Shake? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And so the thing is, it's like I get where
Speaker 1: he's coming from. Like I think, like physical attraction is
Speaker 1: huge as far as you know, a partnership goes. And I,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, like you've said that you're really attracted
Speaker 1: to the personality more than the body. But I feel
Speaker 1: like overall I have kind of a type of body
Speaker 1: that I like, but more than that, I just want
Speaker 1: a decent guy, like a decently like attractive man, you know,
Speaker 1: someone that And maybe it's the Genessee quah that I
Speaker 1: can't put my finger on why I'm attracted to this
Speaker 1: man and you are not, but it is so important
Speaker 1: to me, And so like I understood where he was
Speaker 1: coming from. When he was asking about like bodies, and
Speaker 1: he ultimately like I mean, Vanessa Leche was pissed at him.
Speaker 2: So one thing that I will say is that because
Speaker 2: the reunion that's coming up is live, right, and that's
Speaker 2: nuts to me.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, oh my god, Like, I can't even
Speaker 1: imagine if mine was. I know, right, we have a
Speaker 1: group chat. Uh, the girls and I have a group chat.
Speaker 1: Oh can I be in on it? At me? I
Speaker 1: will give me your okay. It was funny.
Speaker 2: Natalie was like, oh my gosh, I wish we could
Speaker 2: have had a live reunion so everyone could have seen
Speaker 2: what he actually said. Yeah, so and I was like, no, actually,
Speaker 2: I'm really glad he didn't because we didn't have a
Speaker 2: live reunion because some of the stuff that he said,
Speaker 2: like was so degrading that they cut it out.
Speaker 1: Oh seriously. Yeah.
Speaker 2: There was a time period where I actually had to
Speaker 2: leave and go to the bath sit in a stall
Speaker 2: to decompress. And it wasn't about me. I won't say
Speaker 2: who it is about, but it was. It was literally
Speaker 2: so bad that I almost left. Vanessa almost leapt. Ayana
Speaker 2: came to get me out of the bathroom. So those
Speaker 2: are things that people don't necessarily know because he's always like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, we were friends, and we were friends, and
Speaker 2: I don't, you know, wish him hate anymore.
Speaker 1: It's water onto the bridge.
Speaker 2: But there were a lot of things that were edited
Speaker 2: out of the reunion because not only would he have
Speaker 2: gotten so much hate, would the other person have gotten humiliated,
Speaker 2: but also the show would have gotten hate for right, right?
Speaker 2: That was that bad? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, So where do you go from here? Here?
Speaker 1: You are, you're now you have experienced a certain level
Speaker 1: of fame, I'm sure, like especially in Chicago, and especially
Speaker 1: when you're hanging out with your authentic friends who are
Speaker 1: also television stars, and you know, that's just like an
Speaker 1: even brighter spotlight on you. How do you deal with
Speaker 1: dating now? It is hard? Yeah, no, I mean it
Speaker 1: is hard.
Speaker 2: It's it's actually like harder now after having been on
Speaker 2: a show than it was beforehand. And it's interesting. I
Speaker 2: was talking to someone that I know that was on
Speaker 2: The Bachelor.
Speaker 1: He is one of the.
Speaker 2: Males, and it's it's putting into perspective the difference of
Speaker 2: a guy being on a show versus a girl being
Speaker 2: on a show. Because one most guys don't watch Love
Speaker 2: is Blind. But once they figure out that you were
Speaker 2: on it, there's either you know, some people.
Speaker 1: Don't like the publicity. So I don't start with the
Speaker 1: fact that I was on Love is Blind.
Speaker 2: I try to keep that like a little bit in
Speaker 2: the back burner up until, like, you know, I can
Speaker 2: get to know someone and whether or not they'd like me.
Speaker 2: But I remember I was on a first date and
Speaker 2: we went out after dinner and there were so many
Speaker 2: different people like asking for pictures.
Speaker 1: Girls, right, women, Oh, all girls, all girls, and the
Speaker 1: guys are like, what's happening.
Speaker 2: But he was like, you know, like I don't you know,
Speaker 2: this isn't something that I am. I'm ready for, you know,
Speaker 2: and like you you know, not about it still, and
Speaker 2: he's like, I don't think you're ready for it either,
Speaker 2: So I don't think you're ready for a relationship. And
Speaker 2: then there's people who will come up to me because
Speaker 2: people are asking me for pictures and or once they
Speaker 2: see that, they get really, really really excited. And then
Speaker 2: there was a guy that I was dating who pretended
Speaker 2: like he had never heard of the show in his.
Speaker 1: Entire and Hattie, yeah, oh that's so annoying. Just be
Speaker 1: real and honest right.
Speaker 2: And it was interesting because he was someone who I
Speaker 2: felt like very very like like normal around. I was
Speaker 2: so comfortable around him from day one. I opened up
Speaker 2: to him about things that I typically don't ride away,
Speaker 2: and once I went back to his apartment saw that
Speaker 2: on Netflix he had watched the entire second season, and
Speaker 2: then I was like, he knew exactly how to get
Speaker 2: me to open up or how to get to me.
Speaker 1: And I fell for this guy like pretty fast, Like
Speaker 1: I'm not he manipulated you. He sounds like a narcissist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he knew everything about me before meeting me, and
Speaker 2: I had no idea until after the fact. And what
Speaker 2: makes it even better is he lives right upstairs in
Speaker 2: my building.
Speaker 1: So, oh my god, I'm like parasite right, piece of
Speaker 1: the pie. Yeah, so are you? So have you how
Speaker 1: has the show affected your career? So it has affected
Speaker 1: like pretty much everything.
Speaker 2: When I got back so after the show aired, I
Speaker 2: remember someone had started on my team after I interviewed her,
Speaker 2: and she was like, yeah, everyone at the office is
Speaker 2: asking me if you're as crazy as you seem to
Speaker 2: be in real life, and I'm like, and she's my direction.
Speaker 1: I don't seem to be crazy. I don't think at all.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone really seemed crazy on that show, honestly.
Speaker 2: I mean, in regardless, it's like, oh my gosh, so
Speaker 2: I have like there's like these ideas of who I
Speaker 2: am based on what they saw on TV and that,
Speaker 2: like yeah, And also there was a recent situation in which,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm vocal about mental health, like I'm always
Speaker 2: going to be, and someone was, you know, like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't feel comfortable coming to you for help because
Speaker 2: you have mental health issues. I was like, I'm fine,
Speaker 2: I'm capable of working. Just because I am vocal about
Speaker 2: mental health on social media doesn't mean that you can't
Speaker 2: ask me to help you with the project. So there's
Speaker 2: a lot of different things in which I really think
Speaker 2: it would impact, but it does a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole public public figure thing is so interesting. Well, so, okay,
Speaker 1: I want to get back to a couple of sex questions,
Speaker 1: because this is a podcast about sex that is called
Speaker 1: into Knowledge. So I want to know when you and
Speaker 1: Nick first had sex for the first time, like when
Speaker 1: you not even sex necessarily, I mean, honestly, if I
Speaker 1: had to talk to somebody on the other side of
Speaker 1: a screen for eight weeks or whatever it was two weeks,
Speaker 1: whatever it was. How long was it? The pods were
Speaker 1: ten days? Okay, so ten days. I would just like
Speaker 1: want to jump his bones immediately.
Speaker 2: I thought about it every night, Yeah, every night, going
Speaker 2: back to the hotel.
Speaker 1: And then when you so, what do you do? Do
Speaker 1: you just like rip his clothes off to the second
Speaker 1: you sum.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much what happened. I'm not even gonna lie
Speaker 2: in Mexico.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's hot, he has a good body, he's sexy,
Speaker 1: and so he ripped his clothes off and you go
Speaker 1: at it, and what was his sex? Like? It was good?
Speaker 1: It wasn't great? What was this ding dong? Like? I
Speaker 1: don't want to You just told us, You just told
Speaker 1: us it was fine. It didn't blow you away. Because
Speaker 1: that's the thing too, Like you got to know what
Speaker 1: you're working with, the goods. I talk about this like
Speaker 1: we can see guys can see the breast, Like that's
Speaker 1: that's pretty much much what you're working with, right, Like
Speaker 1: if you're a boob guy, you got the boobs, well,
Speaker 1: like what if you're what if you're a ding dong
Speaker 1: girl and you want like me, like you. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: any straight woman, right, we want to know what we're
Speaker 1: working with and you got to get down in there
Speaker 1: and check it out. And it's not even the size
Speaker 1: right all the time. It's just like how you work it. Sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, size is as long as it's big enough. No,
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about the size. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the motion in the ocean. Did he have the motion
Speaker 1: in the ocean? No, he did it. He was missing it.
Speaker 1: He doesn't And I feel like an asshole right now,
Speaker 1: but I'm ever he's got what he's gotta. He's going
Speaker 1: to already know. It's not the first time this has happened.
Speaker 1: And if he doesn't, then whatever guys think they're so
Speaker 1: good in bed all the time, it's about you. What
Speaker 1: we could deserve an about face every now and then,
Speaker 1: especially after talking shit on you. I'm a team Danielle.
Speaker 1: If you ask me, Yeah, I mean I was.
Speaker 2: You know, I tell people what I want and it
Speaker 2: started getting better once I started you know, a little training.
Speaker 1: Good good. Okay, there you go, an empowered woman. Okay,
Speaker 1: So after all of this whole experience, here you are today.
Speaker 1: How do you trust yourself in love moving forward? And
Speaker 1: do you have anybody that you're talking like that you're
Speaker 1: dating romantic with right now? You know, I'm casually dating.
Speaker 2: There was someone who I was seeing who I found
Speaker 2: out was seeing someone else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, were you guys exclusive? Yes, I was, so he
Speaker 1: was cheating on you, he.
Speaker 2: Was cheating on me. But also was it a two
Speaker 2: year relationship? And this girl had been a town for months?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, shut that out from the door. People
Speaker 1: that work in my apartment because he lives here. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, she's looking they're looking out for you.
Speaker 2: Yes, And so like, I have friends in the building,
Speaker 2: and so, yeah, I was seeing this guy one he
Speaker 2: already lied about watching Love is Blind and should have
Speaker 2: been the first red flat.
Speaker 1: Oh that's you.
Speaker 2: I find out that he had an actual girlfriend who
Speaker 2: had just like you know, gone to her parents' house
Speaker 2: for months during the holidays. And then I come to
Speaker 2: find out they lived together by building.
Speaker 1: Oh, this guy's just he's a bad dude. Run.
Speaker 2: So now I'm like, every time I go to the elevator,
Speaker 2: I'm like, please, please, please, please please please don't be
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: That's a meme. You gotta do like a TikTok on that.
Speaker 1: That's funny. I know.
Speaker 2: I like, I'm like seriously, like, this is worse than
Speaker 2: the drama I had on Love is Blind?
Speaker 1: Okay, so what do you but what do you do? What? Okay?
Speaker 1: Where do you find people?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 1: What apps are you on?
Speaker 2: I went back on apps and then someone was like, oh,
Speaker 2: didn't you marry some dude on Love is Bline?
Speaker 1: I was like delete, So I leave the whole app
Speaker 1: because of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean because again, like I still think I
Speaker 2: get like a little bit of weirdness around people like
Speaker 2: judging me, which I shouldn't. But that guy in Hinge,
Speaker 2: even though he lives in the building, he was going
Speaker 2: on those dates. But I think too, just like in
Speaker 2: person going around, Like I have one single friend who
Speaker 2: went through a pretty messy breakup and so me and
Speaker 2: her are like, let's go yeah, fun girl, Like if
Speaker 2: you're out with this one girl, it's way less intimidating
Speaker 2: for guys to come up to and it's like one
Speaker 2: hundred percent success rate.
Speaker 1: But I haven't gone out. I'm going to Austin for
Speaker 1: a country music festival. It's there, you know, Austin's a
Speaker 1: place to find men in country like cowboy boots, come on,
Speaker 1: girlfriend place, I'll sign you up. Let's go. I'm buying
Speaker 1: a ticket the second outfit? Are you on? Rayah? I
Speaker 1: am not. I find I kind of like that one,
Speaker 1: but there's like there's a lot of people who think
Speaker 1: they're too cool for school.
Speaker 2: In that one that was on it, and then I
Speaker 2: deleted it even before the show, and now they want to.
Speaker 1: Except me back. No, I got it. I'm not gonna ask.
Speaker 1: I wasn't. Riyah won't let you back on became a
Speaker 1: reality star. Yes, I'm back on the wait list. I
Speaker 1: wasn't immediately, fir did you get it back on the
Speaker 1: wait list? How long has it been? Really? A month?
Speaker 1: A month? Oh? You still might make it on If
Speaker 1: it's only been a month, you I mean, you're getting
Speaker 1: close to the end. I wo'll give it another month,
Speaker 1: but it's not like it's been a whole year.
Speaker 2: My friend, who's like this innocent little girl who works
Speaker 2: in software sales, was like.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. Media and what you w on there?
Speaker 1: That did? They must have watched the show and just
Speaker 1: don't want them. I don't know. I don't get it
Speaker 1: and get it. Well, Danielle, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: coming on. Where can we find you. What are you promoting?
Speaker 2: So you can find me on primarily Instagram, d N
Speaker 2: E L L r u HL so do not rule.
Speaker 1: I still talk a lot about mental health.
Speaker 2: It's funny now that I've been experiencing so much apartment
Speaker 2: drama and dog park drama that is just like the
Speaker 2: service level of what I talked about. So I'm talking
Speaker 2: about like my current dating life. Like I'm pretty open
Speaker 2: about that kind of stuff, honestly, just like behind the
Speaker 2: scenes of who I am, it's almost like I'm.
Speaker 1: Like I'm scrolling through right now. You're beautiful. I love
Speaker 1: your pictures. Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 2: I'm going to start more frequently like doing reels about
Speaker 2: the crazy dating experiences that I have because like, yes,
Speaker 2: dog park experiences. I was at the dog park with
Speaker 2: and she was talking about this guy that she went
Speaker 2: on a date with and asked me about it.
Speaker 1: Turns out she dated the Love is Blind cast member.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what, Yes, it's a small world.
Speaker 2: I'm learning so much drama at the apartment in the
Speaker 2: dog park.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm like, oh my gosh, it's its own
Speaker 1: reality show exactly. So I'm going to share in season four,
Speaker 1: Love is blind except as just Danielle rule.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not involved in all the drama most of it.
Speaker 1: But oh my gosh, this is amazing. All right, well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. I'm gonna text you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get your number. I'm gonna text you. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna join that group chat. We're gonna talk about everything.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to Austin. You're coming to Austin. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do the great awesome I'm gonna get I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: your number. After this, I'm gonna text you. Oh I'm down.
Speaker 1: Let's go teach me how to meet men. Fact, let's
Speaker 1: learn together, lady. Oh right, all right, Danielle. Thanks, they'll
Speaker 1: be in touch. Thank you. I had so much fun
Speaker 1: talking to Danielle. I I didn't even have to look
Speaker 1: down at any of the notes because I was so
Speaker 1: enthralled with her and her story. She's so easy to
Speaker 1: talk to. I feel like she I figured she would
Speaker 1: be exactly how she was because I was such a
Speaker 1: huge fan of this show, and she is. She's easy
Speaker 1: to talk to. I am going to follow up with
Speaker 1: her story at the dog park and I'm going to
Speaker 1: go I'm gonna go out with her. I'm gonna see
Speaker 1: what you talk about with this fooswall thing. We're gonna
Speaker 1: figure this man thing out together. Okay, you guys. So
Speaker 1: next week on Intimate Knowledge, make sure to listen. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have tons of juicy stories and scoop and a
Speaker 1: great guest for you, like we do every week. So
Speaker 1: until then, if I know, you know, Okay, Bye, everybody.
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