Speaker 1: This is Intimate Knowledge with Megan King.
Speaker 2: It's a show about sex. Hi, everybody, and welcome back
Speaker 2: to Intimate Knowledge. I'm your host, Meghan King. You can
Speaker 2: find me on Instagram at Megan King and check me
Speaker 2: out at one of my retreats at Guyahnexperience dot com.
Speaker 2: So today we have a lot to get through. So
Speaker 2: first of all, I'm going to give you some updates
Speaker 2: on my weekend, and I want to talk about some
Speaker 2: headlines that are really hot right now and I feel
Speaker 2: personally tied to some of these headlines. So we're gonna
Speaker 2: go through those. And then after that, we have Heather
Speaker 2: Martin on the show from The Bachelor. Heather is famous
Speaker 2: for having never been kissed before she went on The Bachelor,
Speaker 2: and then she goes on and she kisses Colton, who
Speaker 2: famously came out later after he was a Bachelor is gay.
Speaker 2: So let's get through this and start with my weekend.
Speaker 2: So last week I told y'all that the cheater, well
Speaker 2: the other woman, came forward and was chatting with me
Speaker 2: on Instagram, and that was just yucky, itchy. I don't
Speaker 2: like I don't like that. So going to Austin was real,
Speaker 2: a very nice distraction for me. I got to hang
Speaker 2: out with my best friend. We decided to go to
Speaker 2: a music festival called The Two Step in which, by
Speaker 2: the way, our guest Heather Martin, also went to that
Speaker 2: music festival, which is like, it was the first year
Speaker 2: of this music festival in Georgetown, Texas, which is north
Speaker 2: of Austin, like forty minutes north of Austin, Okay. But
Speaker 2: when I was in Austin, this is wild. My girlfriend
Speaker 2: is going through a very contentious divorce, honestly worse than
Speaker 2: the one that Jim and I went through, and that
Speaker 2: is hard to do. It's like this woman cannot get
Speaker 2: divorced no matter how hard she tries. So she's not
Speaker 2: friendly with her ex husband. They don't chit chat, they
Speaker 2: don't see each other whatever. There is the groundwork right there.
Speaker 2: So Courney and I go to lunch. Her name is Courtney.
Speaker 2: We go to lunch and she doesn't even want to
Speaker 2: go to lunch. First of all, We're sitting at her office.
Speaker 2: We're going through some business stuff and I'm like, I'm hungry.
Speaker 2: She's like, what do you want to order in I
Speaker 2: was like, I want to go somewhere. I'm in Austin,
Speaker 2: I want to go somewhere, check some place out. So
Speaker 2: she picks the restaurant. It's kind of like this diner vibe, right,
Speaker 2: So we walk in. It's freezing inside. Courtney hates sitting outside.
Speaker 2: She's basically just a hermit crab who belongs in her
Speaker 2: house twenty four to seven. And I'm just this free
Speaker 2: spirit that wants to float around and go everywhere all
Speaker 2: the time. So we walk into this restaurant it's freezing cold,
Speaker 2: and I said to the waiter, can we please sit outside?
Speaker 2: And Courtney says, oh, you want to sit outside? Courtney
Speaker 2: does not want to sit outside, but I say yes.
Speaker 2: Before she could say anything, the waiter walks us outside.
Speaker 2: As the waiter guides us to our table to the outside,
Speaker 2: Courtney starts to become a broken record. She starts to
Speaker 2: say to me meg, oh my god, oh my god,
Speaker 2: oh my goah, o my go, oh my go, And
Speaker 2: I'm like what, she couldn't spit it out? And she
Speaker 2: she didn't spit it out. And I look over and like,
Speaker 2: my eyes follow the waiter because of where are the
Speaker 2: waiters going to sit us? And I see her son
Speaker 2: and her ex future ex husband. They're going through a
Speaker 2: divorce sitting there. Not only are they sitting on the
Speaker 2: outside patio where Courtney did not want to go, we're
Speaker 2: seated next to him. That's where the waiter sets us
Speaker 2: down next to him. The son, of course, is ecstatic
Speaker 2: see all of his favorite people are sitting next to
Speaker 2: each other at this lunch. Her ex recognizes me, He's
Speaker 2: apparently a big fan of the Real Housewives and says,
Speaker 2: you're Megan King Edmunds, I said, I corrected him, I'm
Speaker 2: Megan King. He said, now I know, and then he
Speaker 2: proceeds to ask me. He asked me a couple of questions,
Speaker 2: what do you ask me? The first one I don't
Speaker 2: remember the first one. That one doesn't matter anyway. The
Speaker 2: second one was, weren't you married? Weren't you married, you know,
Speaker 2: to like a Kennedy or something. I'm like, oh my god, Like,
Speaker 2: who says that it's he knows. He clearly knows that.
Speaker 2: So that means he also knows that I'm not currently
Speaker 2: married to that Kennedy or whatever according to him, and
Speaker 2: so why bring that up? I was just like whatever,
Speaker 2: But I was like trying to be very respectful and
Speaker 2: like I shook his hand and I was, you know,
Speaker 2: just trying to be normal and hold it together until
Speaker 2: he and her son left. But oh my gosh, how
Speaker 2: random is that? After everything, after everywhere? And I was thinking,
Speaker 2: people sometimes ask me, do I ever run into Jim
Speaker 2: in and around Saint Louis, which is not a very
Speaker 2: big town, and Jim and I live up three miles
Speaker 2: from each other, and so you'd think that we'd see
Speaker 2: each other all the time. I don't think I've I
Speaker 2: ran into him once once, but it wasn't like we
Speaker 2: were sitting next to each other at a restaurant. We're
Speaker 2: at the restaurant at the same time, and I didn't
Speaker 2: know he was there until he walked out kind of thing.
Speaker 2: And this was years ago, Like yeah, I mean we've
Speaker 2: been separated now for three and a half years, I
Speaker 2: guess something like that. So it's wild that we ran
Speaker 2: into him. Okay, I want to talk about some other headlines.
Speaker 2: So Camila Cabello and Shawn Mendez were hanging out backstage
Speaker 2: and actually like in front of stage at Coachella this weekend.
Speaker 2: And they dated for years. They were friends and then
Speaker 2: they dated and they were spotted with some PDA and
Speaker 2: I just went to Camila's Instagram and she has photos
Speaker 2: from her from her Coachella weekend and there's nothing with
Speaker 2: Shawn Mendez and she says it's whatever. So but everybody's like,
Speaker 2: are they getting back together? And they apparently were spotted
Speaker 2: making out. Well, I did some digging and I looked
Speaker 2: up some of these photos and actually videos that were
Speaker 2: taken of Camilla and Sean, and they did look like
Speaker 2: they were canoodling very closely. Now, this is my take
Speaker 2: on it. I think that after you're in a relationship,
Speaker 2: especially one that started as a friendship, and you've broken up,
Speaker 2: hopefully you're able to maintain a relationship, you know, me
Speaker 2: a friendship. They did look very cozy and stuff, and
Speaker 2: maybe they hooked up, but I think that's okay. We
Speaker 2: can give that to them. They're allowed to hook up,
Speaker 2: they're allowed to make out. But honestly, they didn't really
Speaker 2: look like in a relationship. They looked flirty to me.
Speaker 2: So I feel like people are just reading into this
Speaker 2: because they want they want to ship this and it's
Speaker 2: just not going to happen. I mean, they aren't together,
Speaker 2: but they're publicly showing pds. I think it's I think
Speaker 2: they're just hanging out as friends. I don't think it
Speaker 2: has anything to do with a PR stunt. It's not
Speaker 2: like either of them need any sort of of publicity.
Speaker 2: They have plenty of it on their own. And you know,
Speaker 2: they're at Coachella, like who knows if they're like drinking
Speaker 2: alcohol or pop in some shrooms or smoking wet whatever.
Speaker 2: But you know there's plenty of mind altering substances around
Speaker 2: there to make to make everybody feel a little bit looser,
Speaker 2: just like feel the vibes and experience more deeply. And
Speaker 2: I think that's just the vibe of the show of
Speaker 2: the weekend. So anyway, that's that's Those are my thoughts
Speaker 2: on that. So another thing I want to touch on
Speaker 2: is the scan of all. So the latest with that
Speaker 2: is that Ariana was making out with her trainer at
Speaker 2: Coachella and he's hot. Like whatever, girl, live your best life.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, though, because the more that I see and
Speaker 2: the more that I read about this scandal, the Tom
Speaker 2: Santleval is really strongly taking the stance that he was
Speaker 2: broken up with Ariana before he started to well I
Speaker 2: don't know if it was before he started anything with Raquel,
Speaker 2: but that's certainly the narrative that he's trying to lead
Speaker 2: us to believe. I think what he's trying to say
Speaker 2: is that that Tom broke up with Ariana in February.
Speaker 2: Ariana wanted to know part of that and was working
Speaker 2: really hard to try to get him back, and but
Speaker 2: in his head it was just already over. I think
Speaker 2: that breakups do have a moment where, especially after so
Speaker 2: many years of being together. I think for them it
Speaker 2: was like eight or nine. I think there's a moment.
Speaker 2: And what I mean moment, I mean several months of
Speaker 2: that that in between kind of spots, so like maybe
Speaker 2: you're dating other people but you're still hooking up with
Speaker 2: each other, or you own a house together, as is
Speaker 2: their case, and you're trying to kind of, you know, separate,
Speaker 2: like what did Gwyneth Paltrow call it? Consciously uncoupling? And
Speaker 2: I think that's maybe what they were trying to do.
Speaker 2: But the thing is is that Tom was sleeping with
Speaker 2: another woman, and not only just any other woman, but
Speaker 2: arian his friend. And Tom Sandoval he's got his panties
Speaker 2: all in a bunch right now because he went to
Speaker 2: Mirror of all over the weekend to try to get
Speaker 2: some r and r Mira vall is in Tucson. I've
Speaker 2: talked to one of their marketing directors recently thinking about
Speaker 2: hosting a retreat there with Guy Haven, and he's pissed
Speaker 2: a mirror of all pissed because apparently some of the
Speaker 2: staff let out that that's where he was staying. And dude,
Speaker 2: this guy like love him or hate him, probably everybody
Speaker 2: hates him right now and he is feeling it hard.
Speaker 2: So he's just trying to get a little anonymity, a
Speaker 2: little privacy, and so he goes to Mira Vault, which
Speaker 2: is a health retreat, offers a ton of great options
Speaker 2: for like yoga and health food and YadA yadda dada,
Speaker 2: and so instead of like finding that piece and zen
Speaker 2: he was looking for, he found a lot of judgmental
Speaker 2: haters and people who are trying to track him down.
Speaker 2: I do feel for him there, I really do. I
Speaker 2: think that sucks. I was talking to a girlfriend of
Speaker 2: mine this morning, She's at my house, and I was
Speaker 2: bringing this up with her, and she was like, she
Speaker 2: totally follows all of this. She's been watching vander Pump
Speaker 2: Rules since the day it was born, and so she
Speaker 2: knows all of the characters, all the players, Da da da.
Speaker 2: She thinks Tom Sandoval is lying. I was like what?
Speaker 2: And she also brought up that Tom Schwartz knew about
Speaker 2: this all along, apparently when Katie she's the one with
Speaker 2: the dark hair. She asked Tom Schwartz, why is Ariana
Speaker 2: all of your gigs that you're performing? And he said, well,
Speaker 2: it's certainly not for me. Dot dot dot dum dum dumb,
Speaker 2: So he knew. That's basically what has been suggested and
Speaker 2: what Sandoval has said. So how do we feel about this?
Speaker 2: How do we feel about accomplices? When you know that
Speaker 2: someone is cheating, do you have a responsibility to tell
Speaker 2: the other partner or do you have a responsibility to
Speaker 2: do anything at all. It's like, don't shoot the messenger,
Speaker 2: but like sometimes messengers should be shot because something should
Speaker 2: be kept a secret. But is an affair one of them? Now?
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not. I think it's nuanced because if Sandoval
Speaker 2: really was broken up with Ariana, then probably Tom Schwartz
Speaker 2: needs to keep his little pie hole shut. But that
Speaker 2: still puts him in a bad spot. Sometimes too much
Speaker 2: information is a bad thing and ignorance is bliss. I'll
Speaker 2: just leave it at that. But what do you guys
Speaker 2: think if you know that someone is cheating, do they
Speaker 2: have a responsibility to tell the other party? I don't know. Okay,
Speaker 2: And our big hot topic of the day now this
Speaker 2: is everywhere on social media. Vanessa Leche sends Love is
Speaker 2: Blind Paul pedon flowers after he accuses her of having
Speaker 2: a personal bias and reunion questioning, now you know me?
Speaker 2: We had on Danielle Rule last week we got to
Speaker 2: chit chat with her. She was on season two of
Speaker 2: Love is Blind, and this is season four Love is Blind.
Speaker 2: So apparently Vanessa Lache just like really went at it
Speaker 2: with Paul trying to say why didn't you choose her?
Speaker 2: He did say I don't see this woman as being
Speaker 2: the mother of my children. He had kids, and you know,
Speaker 2: he didn't think that there was a match there, and
Speaker 2: Vanessa just just really dug in, well, I mean, I've
Speaker 2: seen Vanessa on these and she on these reunions, and
Speaker 2: she seems very emotionally involved. I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: coming from a place of projection from her own relationship.
Speaker 2: I think it probably does. It has to if you're
Speaker 2: an empathetic person, which she seems to be. It has
Speaker 2: to come from some place of projection. That's how we
Speaker 2: relate to other humans. That's natural and normal. But if
Speaker 2: this projection is coming from a place where she's trying
Speaker 2: to right wrongs that she has seen in her own relationship,
Speaker 2: that's not okay. And that would be a problem with
Speaker 2: a host of a show, because you're hoping that you
Speaker 2: get total unbiased Well. I asked Danielle about this. Danielle ruled.
Speaker 2: I texted her, and Danielle thought that Vanessa went after
Speaker 2: Paul and not Micah, his his romantic interest, his I
Speaker 2: guess fiance because she thought Danielle thought that Micah would
Speaker 2: just not have any part of it, and whereas Paul
Speaker 2: just kind of like took it. I guess, but he
Speaker 2: said he was like fuck man. They kept ding drilling
Speaker 2: down on me. I think, I said my piece. I
Speaker 2: think Vanessa might have had a little bit of personal
Speaker 2: bias in that scenario, or at least kind of detected that.
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's just my assumption based on how
Speaker 2: she continued to drill into it after I get her
Speaker 2: my full rationale for why I felt the way I did.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, sometimes people just feel a certain way,
Speaker 2: right and we don't really have an explanation for it.
Speaker 2: It's the jenese qua, It's the chemistry. It's that bond
Speaker 2: that we either have or we don't have with a
Speaker 2: partner that we can detect usually within the first five seconds,
Speaker 2: ten seconds, thirty seconds, even let's get generous of knowing
Speaker 2: each other. However, on love is blind, these individuals don't
Speaker 2: have that opportunity and that privilege to be able to
Speaker 2: determine if there is a chemical connection there. They determine
Speaker 2: that there is an emotional connection. You know, they get
Speaker 2: to know each other if they're compatible and like xyz ways,
Speaker 2: if basically, if they're compatible in paper and if they
Speaker 2: can communicate, which are also very important. But they don't
Speaker 2: know if they're gonna have chemistry. And that's what Paul
Speaker 2: is saying. He doesn't know if there's chemistry Vanessa, and
Speaker 2: that's okay. Well, Vanessa had to turn off her comments
Speaker 2: on her social media page, so that to me implies
Speaker 2: a lot of guilt right there. But she also kind
Speaker 2: of seems like a hothead, so maybe that was that
Speaker 2: was very well planned out so that she just like
Speaker 2: stays in her lane or something. I'm not sure I
Speaker 2: would Honestly, I would love to see her act out
Speaker 2: and just sit here eating the popcorn, and I would
Speaker 2: be totally here for it. And who knows, she might
Speaker 2: say some shit we all need to hear. Today we
Speaker 2: have Heather Martin on the show. She is from the Bachelor,
Speaker 2: and she is famous for confessing that she had never
Speaker 2: been kissed. She was only twenty three when she came
Speaker 2: on the show, but she's that's a long time to
Speaker 2: go without ever having to kiss. And Heather was on
Speaker 2: this season with Colton, the infamous Colton the Bachelor who
Speaker 2: came out as being gay. Well first he was a
Speaker 2: virgin on his season, and then he came out as
Speaker 2: being gay. So Heather, welcome intimate knowledge. It's so nice
Speaker 2: to have you with us.
Speaker 1: Thanks Megan. I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 2: So I gotta admit I don't watch The Bachelor. I
Speaker 2: used to back in the day before it was like
Speaker 2: season one hundred and eight, but the season with Colton
Speaker 2: really oh, season twenty seven currently, so there we have
Speaker 2: one hundred and eight. I was I was off, I'll
Speaker 2: admit it slightly, not really, but I know this season
Speaker 2: because this was such a famous season. It was such
Speaker 2: a big season because Colton came out as Gabe.
Speaker 1: I know, how crazy is that?
Speaker 2: Did you have any inklin that he was gay? No?
Speaker 1: And like people who say they did, Like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think any of these girls actually thought he
Speaker 1: was gay, right, I mean I think in hindsight, I'm
Speaker 1: like it made me feel a little bit better, Like
Speaker 1: why there wasn't it? I didn't feel that connection. There
Speaker 1: was just like something that I'm like, there's just this
Speaker 1: this block that I can't really describe with my finger on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it like now looking back and like that kind of
Speaker 1: it makes sense, you know, like there just wasn't that connection.
Speaker 2: Okay, you didn't like us anybody?
Speaker 1: Did you kiss him? I did? Yes?
Speaker 2: So your first kiss was with a gay guy? Yep,
Speaker 2: that's does it even count?
Speaker 1: It doesn't count, I know right. People tell me they're like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of cancels each other out. So what
Speaker 2: was it? What was it like having your first kiss
Speaker 2: on camera?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I mean I like obviously going to
Speaker 1: the show, I like was like, this is gonna happen,
Speaker 1: Like if I'm presenting information to the show, like this
Speaker 1: is like of course, this is why they're having me
Speaker 1: on the show. So I feel like I was kind
Speaker 1: of mentally prepared, but also like when it was actually
Speaker 1: I knew, it was like we're gonna wait and we went.
Speaker 1: It was like until I got my one on one
Speaker 1: date and I was like, it's it's happening. So it
Speaker 1: was like kind of in my brain like I just
Speaker 1: knew exactly when how yeah, I'm gonna but it did,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean it was like it was sweet great,
Speaker 1: Like it was this like magical island on the beach
Speaker 1: and fireworks went off, like he's a gay guy, but
Speaker 1: it's still like, you know, yeah, get up a better
Speaker 1: first kiss setting or situation, and it was so fun.
Speaker 1: It was just it was sweet.
Speaker 2: Well, it's nice to know that, Like looking back, probably
Speaker 2: you didn't feel like you were being taken advantage of
Speaker 2: because he ultimately wasn't interested in you, just cared about
Speaker 2: your well being.
Speaker 1: Probably no, yes, not at all, and he was like
Speaker 1: this sweet guy, like there is nothing you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't feel that way at all.
Speaker 2: He seems so sweet. You guys would have been so
Speaker 2: cute together with your dimples. You're matching dimples.
Speaker 1: He'sn't a very attractive man.
Speaker 2: Heck, yeah, that's so wild because okay, so I was
Speaker 2: just looking at your Instagram and you were you were, well,
Speaker 2: I guess you're twenty three when you go on the show, right,
Speaker 2: twenty two and.
Speaker 1: Turned for twenty two twenty three on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when I was there young, and it seems
Speaker 2: like you're very religious and close with your family, is
Speaker 2: that right?
Speaker 1: Correct? For sure? Yes?
Speaker 2: So what did they think about you going on this show?
Speaker 1: They were so excited. I think, like they all I mean,
Speaker 1: it was like this joke since I was fifteen, because
Speaker 1: I've watched Bachelor, Like I don't really watch TV at all,
Speaker 1: but Bachelor was like the show that I watched, like
Speaker 1: okay in high school is like our thing. So I
Speaker 1: always said sen to I was like fifteen, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go on the show. I'm just gonna do it.
Speaker 1: And then like it actually happened. It was like always
Speaker 1: a joke and it actually happened. So my family was
Speaker 1: so excited and they knew me, so they knew, like
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be crazy, Like nothing was gonna
Speaker 1: be insane. Only thing, right, you know, you might embarrass
Speaker 1: yourself or you might but like whatever, I was like
Speaker 1: the people who know me know me and if you like,
Speaker 1: have other judges about me, like random people like whatever.
Speaker 1: So everyone was excited and we're just like, let's just
Speaker 1: do it. I was like, I might go home night one,
Speaker 1: you know. I was like, I'm oh on that show.
Speaker 2: But that's true. Yeah, a lot of people go home early.
Speaker 2: So did you really think that you were ready for
Speaker 2: marriage at age twenty two?
Speaker 1: I honestly, like I have truly felt like since forever,
Speaker 1: I don't I kind of have this perspective like I
Speaker 1: don't feel like I need all this dating experience to
Speaker 1: go through all these things to know what I want
Speaker 1: and what I'm looking for. I feel like I've always
Speaker 1: kind of been pretty steady and like level headed in
Speaker 1: what I'm looking for. And I think that's I think
Speaker 1: my perspective when I was twenty two. I'm twenty seven
Speaker 1: now it's the same and I think I'm still kind
Speaker 1: of like the same thing. So yeah, I think if
Speaker 1: I would have met the right person, I would have
Speaker 1: been ready to be married. But he obviously was not
Speaker 1: that for me. But yeah, truly I really did believe
Speaker 1: like if I was to meet the right guy, like
Speaker 1: I kind of have a firm grasp of what I'm
Speaker 1: looking for.
Speaker 2: Well, I did get married at twenty two, didn't you, Yes,
Speaker 2: and then divorce at twenty six, Okay, And I was
Speaker 2: like you, I thought, you know, like I didn't need experience,
Speaker 2: and I didn't. Honestly, looking back, I didn't need, you know,
Speaker 2: all this tons of dating experience or anything, although like
Speaker 2: I had dated all throughout college and stuff. But ultimately,
Speaker 2: it wasn't my age that was the hindrance. I think
Speaker 2: it was just like my zest for life, my attitude
Speaker 2: in general. So that's you know, it wasn't the age
Speaker 2: that screwed it up in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So do you think you would have picked like
Speaker 1: a different person, having more experience or do you think
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: Like just no, it just wasn't. It was just not
Speaker 2: a good match. Okay, No, it was. It was a
Speaker 2: good match for what it was. But I think I
Speaker 2: was trying to emulate my parents and I'm not my parents.
Speaker 2: Turns out, turns out, how about that?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: So you were just in Georgetown, Texas, Yeah, to step
Speaker 2: In Music festival, and guess who else was there? Heather?
Speaker 1: Were you there?
Speaker 2: Me?
Speaker 1: Did we see each other as we were just there.
Speaker 2: That's may probably we probably like passed like ships in
Speaker 2: a night. Yeah, So what were you doing there? You're,
Speaker 2: I guess a big country music fan.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yes, I'm like for one really Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was there with the I was working with the
Speaker 1: wine brand there and so they just me and my
Speaker 1: best friend just went out for the weekend. It was
Speaker 1: so much fun. Wow. So I like even love with Texas.
Speaker 1: I want to move there now.
Speaker 2: I love Texas too. I go to Austin all the time. No,
Speaker 2: I'm from Saint Louis, Missouri. Where we're coming from. We're
Speaker 2: coming from Saint Louis, Missouri today right now.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just go there a lot. I go to
Speaker 2: Austin all the time. My best friend lives there. So
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Zach Bryan, huge fan. He
Speaker 2: was so good. It was so good. I was obsessed.
Speaker 2: So tell me what you thought about the festival. Have
Speaker 2: you Have you ever been to a festival before?
Speaker 1: Yes, So I've gone to stage Coach like forever. I
Speaker 1: Gottach every year. I've gone to lots of I like
Speaker 1: truly in like a diehard country music girl. So but
Speaker 1: that was like a little bit more like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it felt a lot more chill than like the stagecoach
Speaker 1: vibes and like the you know, I like loved it
Speaker 1: way more. I think it was just I felt like
Speaker 1: I think I just like the Texas vibes of the
Speaker 1: country more than the Californian same thease.
Speaker 2: But this is the thing there was logistics were wild.
Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to get in and out. I
Speaker 2: ended up paying like two hundred dollars to get back
Speaker 2: to Austin and after flagging down some black car in
Speaker 2: the middle of the streets.
Speaker 1: Is a random car?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a black car. So I was like,
Speaker 2: are you a driver?
Speaker 1: Hello?
Speaker 2: Like flagging a taxi in the middle of like podump Texas,
Speaker 2: My god. And then then I wanted to get food.
Speaker 2: See I wasn't taken care of like you. I was
Speaker 2: just regular, like hanging out with a gen pop and
Speaker 2: I didn't I was not working with a brand there.
Speaker 2: I actually I have to tell you this story. This
Speaker 2: isn't this is an insane story.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, I'm excited.
Speaker 2: So there it's kind of like a little bit of
Speaker 2: a backstory because I was dating this guy in Texas.
Speaker 2: He was in Austin. I called him Kenny. That's not
Speaker 2: his real name, but because like I was protecting him.
Speaker 2: Well then, long story short, so like I take Kenny.
Speaker 2: Things aren't going well. I decided to break up with Kenny,
Speaker 2: and then I find out a woman reaches out to
Speaker 2: me Kenny was dating another woman the entire time he
Speaker 2: was dating me. Yeah, yeah, like what an asshole?
Speaker 1: Right, it's just this weekend?
Speaker 2: No, so like this is this is like December, okay,
Speaker 2: like a few months ago.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So then I so I'm going to this and he's
Speaker 2: a friend. He was a friend of mine for like
Speaker 2: eight years before we dated. Like I can't really trusted
Speaker 2: him anyway. Yeah. So I'm going to this festival and
Speaker 2: the tickets are sold out, and my girlfriend's like, I'll
Speaker 2: figure out the tickets. So she ends up texting Kenny
Speaker 2: because she she like got to know him through me,
Speaker 2: asks them for tickets, and he said, yeah, sure, here's
Speaker 2: some tickets. It gives her two sets of tickets. Well
Speaker 2: then she, my best friend, goes on my phone and
Speaker 2: messages every country performer that's going to be there and
Speaker 2: asks them for tickets. Guess who came through and gave
Speaker 2: me passes. Nico Moon.
Speaker 1: He was too. Oh my gosh, he's so.
Speaker 2: Cute and so nice. He's married with a baby, and
Speaker 2: like it's just so cute. So I have two sets
Speaker 2: of passes. Yeah, I so we so we like we
Speaker 2: both go in side lines that we'll call. She gets
Speaker 2: hurried passes, I get my passes. We immediately bootleg one
Speaker 2: set of passes of course. Yeh some guy right, So
Speaker 2: like we essentially we got paid to go. So like
Speaker 2: feeling pretty cool, pretty high live. Yeah, so so she
Speaker 2: so we like go in to the festival. We're hanging
Speaker 2: out or like having fun everything. Actually we're walking way
Speaker 2: too much. The bathrooms were gross. They weren't even gross
Speaker 2: because like by Porter Potty standards gross as you know,
Speaker 2: they're I mean they're Porter botties, right, so it's gross.
Speaker 1: It's gross. Yeah, and hot too.
Speaker 2: Oh it was. I mean, I am not as enthusiastic
Speaker 2: about festivals as you are. I love your attitude, but
Speaker 2: like I'm I just can't handle it anymore. So I
Speaker 2: wanted to get some food and the line was two
Speaker 2: hours long for gross nachos.
Speaker 1: Did you run into this problem we had? Like this
Speaker 1: did you go to like there's like a separate area
Speaker 1: where there was no because that we tried to wait
Speaker 1: in the food line right befo where Zach Brian and
Speaker 1: we just like were like we can't. I'm not rather stocks.
Speaker 2: When I tried to wait in the food line.
Speaker 1: Yeah I did it.
Speaker 2: So where did you get food?
Speaker 1: There was like a separate section. It was like in
Speaker 1: the back by Renico Moon played, there was like one
Speaker 1: barbecue place.
Speaker 2: Was it a VIP?
Speaker 1: I think it was like yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: So screw you whatever. I bribed somebody. I bribed somebody
Speaker 2: at the front swear yes, goop it. So like I
Speaker 2: go up to this guy at the front of the
Speaker 2: line and his girlfriend and I was like, hey, what
Speaker 2: up five extra bucks to add a nacho on there?
Speaker 2: And the girlfriend's like, no way, We've been waiting in
Speaker 2: this line for two hours. That is not enough money.
Speaker 2: So I pull out another five. I was like ten
Speaker 2: and she was like, no way, but maybe those people
Speaker 2: will in front of us will do it. And I
Speaker 2: was like I want to do it and they're like yeah,
Speaker 2: So I got my nachos.
Speaker 1: Like that they let you cut them and not even
Speaker 1: get ten bucks exactly.
Speaker 2: I was like that is so dumb. So I eat
Speaker 2: my nachos. Fine. We walk over to Zach Brian to
Speaker 2: watch the show, and this guy comes up to my
Speaker 2: girlfriend and says, I want to date with you. Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, how are you And she's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: good to see you. He looks at me and he
Speaker 2: says I know you, and I was like, okay, he
Speaker 2: knows me from the Real Housewives Orange County. Whatever do
Speaker 2: you get recognized?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you get it. So I'm like, okay, Like,
Speaker 2: but it's unusual for a man to know who I am.
Speaker 2: Probably for you too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I lost boyfriends a lot of the boyfriends,
Speaker 1: but I feel like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh right, like my friend's husband.
Speaker 1: But a lot of the times, yeah, totally, Like if
Speaker 1: it's a man, it's like a boyfriend and a husband
Speaker 1: or a gay guy again, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: So he looks at me and he's like, I know
Speaker 2: who you are, and I'm like, yeah, okay, here it
Speaker 2: comes Real Housewives. And then he's like, you dated Kenny
Speaker 2: and I was like yeah, and he's like, I met
Speaker 2: you on the golf course and Kenny called me boohooing
Speaker 2: when you broke up. With them, and I was like,
Speaker 2: stop it. And then he said it came out on
Speaker 2: the podcast, on this podcast that he was dating someone
Speaker 2: else the whole time. And so this friend called up
Speaker 2: Kenny and was like, how dare you you screwed her over?
Speaker 2: You screwed the other girl over? Like, you can't call
Speaker 2: me boohooeen and have me talking you.
Speaker 1: Off the ledge when you're still and everybody over like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not the one who needs a pat on the
Speaker 1: back and like to be coddled.
Speaker 2: These women do.
Speaker 1: Sorry. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he's like, oh great now, and my girlfriend's like,
Speaker 2: he got us these tickets. I was like, no, he didn't,
Speaker 2: Nico Moon did. So my girlfriend is like crap. So
Speaker 2: after the festival she texts Kenny AND's like, hey, just
Speaker 2: full disclosure. We ran into your friend. Want to let
Speaker 2: you know that like that, you know, I was with
Speaker 2: Meg at the festival. He never texted her back. No, no,
Speaker 2: So that is that's my story of Oh my.
Speaker 1: God, did you feel well? Were you feeling like awkward
Speaker 1: at that point or you just like whatever?
Speaker 2: I did not care at all. I did, like, seriously,
Speaker 2: not one tiny bit. I think it's funny. I think
Speaker 2: he should know I mean, who podcast is she going
Speaker 2: to bring him her best friend? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously, and he's gonna say yes, he's gonna say yes,
Speaker 1: he knows.
Speaker 2: He probably you know, probably, You're exactly right. Okay, So,
Speaker 2: speaking of dating, are you on any dating apps? Are
Speaker 2: you dating any well before that, are you dating anyone?
Speaker 1: No? I am single. Yeah, dating apps, I know they're
Speaker 1: they're tough for me. I don't know, I don't. I
Speaker 1: feel like just this dating culture is just so I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't like it, like I just I
Speaker 1: for me, I feel like I have to like know
Speaker 1: someone and like emotionally connected them and intellectually connected them, yeah,
Speaker 1: or even like find them attractive. Like I can't just
Speaker 1: like scroll through an app one and be like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm drawn to you. I feel like I would pick
Speaker 1: like the exact opposite of who would actually like in person.
Speaker 2: So you're not on apps.
Speaker 1: So I'm not on apps. That was just tough because
Speaker 1: I feel like that's like what everyone how people meet
Speaker 1: these days. But yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Just my girlfriend thought she she was scrolling through I
Speaker 2: was talking to her this morning. She thought that she
Speaker 2: found this like good guy. Well he had potential least, right,
Speaker 2: So we're like, all right, well, let's like see who
Speaker 2: he actually is. What's this deal? You can only know
Speaker 2: so much. This is on hinge, you can only know
Speaker 2: so much. So like the two of us are are
Speaker 2: like honorary FBI members, and so we find out everything
Speaker 2: and she does a full background check. First of all,
Speaker 2: his last name is pig Man. So this guy is
Speaker 2: posing in a Lamborghini and he's like, you know, his
Speaker 2: whole dating resume is like real puffed up. So she
Speaker 2: does this background check. He drives two thousand and four
Speaker 2: Ford our for Runner whatever that is, Toyota four Runner.
Speaker 2: He lives in a one bedroom apartment, and he has
Speaker 2: filed two bankruptcies. So there there is your online dating culture. Larryous,
Speaker 2: I am not even kidding. This happened this morning.
Speaker 1: Like what, like, what is the motivation behind doing that?
Speaker 1: Because like you know, you can't get past one second,
Speaker 1: like literally one date with someone, Like what do you
Speaker 1: what's the goal from that?
Speaker 2: I mean maybe he thinks he has like a rock
Speaker 2: and body and we're just gonna like look past everything else.
Speaker 1: I just lied about all my Lamborghinis and I.
Speaker 2: Know, like I'm sorry. Where it's the lambo. Oh that
Speaker 2: was my friend's lambau. I'm sorry, that's really misleading. That's
Speaker 2: like putting filters on your face if you're a girl
Speaker 2: or like for guys, the guy filter is sunglasses and
Speaker 2: old photos.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh, the old yeah, the sunglasses to or like
Speaker 1: a hat on.
Speaker 2: Oh and no, and they're bald underneath. Yeah, one hundred
Speaker 2: percent like that That is just if there if the
Speaker 2: guys are ladies, listen up. If the men are wearing
Speaker 2: hats and every single picture, he's probably bald.
Speaker 1: At least receding, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're going to be bald, just own
Speaker 2: the ball this or go get like some cute apps
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 3: Can be cute, but just don't like it's the it's
Speaker 3: like the deceitfulness of it, Like let's just be open,
Speaker 3: because like you don't want someone who's not gonna like
Speaker 3: you for what you're an athlete?
Speaker 1: Why, I don't know, it's just a waste of time.
Speaker 2: I feel like, I mean, I'm with you so much,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like these people are in dating apps
Speaker 2: just to prove how cool they are, Like I'm on
Speaker 2: riyah that you know what that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the Soho House of dating apps. And
Speaker 2: I literally I just canceled my subscription for that thing
Speaker 2: for next month. So yeah, it's twenty bucks a month.
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Have you met anyone like cool on there at all?
Speaker 1: Or nothing?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I've read a lot of cool people in there,
Speaker 2: a lot. Okay, I know, maybe I will keep it.
Speaker 2: I've connected professionally with some people too. Yeah, whether you're
Speaker 2: you're talking to me and.
Speaker 1: What's another twenty bucks?
Speaker 2: You made it? I know right why?
Speaker 1: You sold sold Kenny's tickets?
Speaker 2: No, And then I had to buy my food and
Speaker 2: for my car that was two hundred dollars, like running
Speaker 2: down the street like my girlfriend's like, you can't flag
Speaker 2: a taxi in the middle of Texas and I'm like flagging.
Speaker 2: There's literally not one taxi right, not one, but I'm
Speaker 2: I'm flagging like there is.
Speaker 1: Got a car.
Speaker 2: I got a black car. It was great, cost me
Speaker 2: two hundred bucks. But whatever. Okay, So back to you.
Speaker 2: I want to know more about about what's what's next
Speaker 2: for you. Are you gonna go on a new dating
Speaker 2: show or any other reality show?
Speaker 1: I think I'm done with the reality dating shows. I yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even know how I ended up like being
Speaker 1: entertaining enough for one in general, I mean the really why,
Speaker 1: I just Lo'm like, I just like my personality is
Speaker 1: just so not built for yeah reality, I just like
Speaker 1: can't I can't, Like it just doesn't seem like natural
Speaker 1: to me. You know, it's just I mean it's not.
Speaker 2: Like, well, I don't know. I mean there's so many
Speaker 2: seasons of The Bachelor now, and you were on season
Speaker 2: twenty three, and so don't you think that by that point,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, I'm guessing on don't watch that
Speaker 2: maybe all of the contestants figured out the whole cadence
Speaker 2: of the show at that point and like we're kind
Speaker 2: of acting for the show instead of for the love.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's so many there's so many
Speaker 1: just like people who have different I mean I went
Speaker 1: like going in like totally open, like I would love
Speaker 1: to like see and like who knows, Like Colton was cute,
Speaker 1: he was great, like who knows, But like everyone goes
Speaker 1: for some sort of experience, you know, it's like whether
Speaker 1: that be I feel like social media. Social media wasn't
Speaker 1: as huge I think like in like five years ago
Speaker 1: six years ago when I was on, but it was
Speaker 1: up and coming. But now it's like people like become
Speaker 1: you know, it's like to.
Speaker 2: People don't get famous on social media anymore. You I
Speaker 2: know it now.
Speaker 1: Starting the season now, I know it was like the
Speaker 1: window of like six seven years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you have like what five hundred thousand followers
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: I have two hundred and something.
Speaker 2: Oh see, that's a lot of followers. I thought you
Speaker 2: had more than that, but like two hundred thousand, that's
Speaker 2: a lot. Who I just ran into Pilot Rachel she
Speaker 2: was on I guess last year or something.
Speaker 1: Was a bachelorette.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was a bachelette, so she was like the
Speaker 2: main girl and she has I don't know, like two
Speaker 2: hundred thousand followers too.
Speaker 1: The view there was like I think the past like
Speaker 1: three seasons have just like just the viewership of the
Speaker 1: Bachelor in general had just gone down.
Speaker 2: So I think, oh, no, she has five hundred. I
Speaker 2: got that wrong.
Speaker 1: She was a bachelorette like that. Like a girl. Hannah,
Speaker 1: who is the bachelorette on our season, had like two
Speaker 1: point six million.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was sitting I met her, Hannah.
Speaker 1: Brown, her Hannah Goslin. Yes, that's where Hannah's I met.
Speaker 1: Hannah got a bachelorette. Hannah Godwin was also on my season.
Speaker 1: I'm really close this.
Speaker 2: I saw a picture with you and Hannah Godwin on
Speaker 2: your Instagram.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So I was just with her like last
Speaker 1: week two weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Oh you were okay. So I just met her. We
Speaker 2: were sitting next to each other at the iHeart Radio
Speaker 2: Music Wards in La. Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's the sweetest girl ever.
Speaker 2: See, I didn't know who she was. We were standing
Speaker 2: in line next to each other for the red carpet
Speaker 2: and she was with her fiance I believe, Yes, Dylan, Dylan, yes,
Speaker 2: And so we're just chit chatting, and then she told
Speaker 2: me that she was there. They met on Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 2: I think they Yeah, that's so sweet.
Speaker 1: I know they're like theest couple ever. They're the best.
Speaker 2: They really are. They're so cute. But you said you
Speaker 2: would never go on Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I just don't think it's for me.
Speaker 2: Like, is that kind of more of sexy time on
Speaker 2: that show?
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit more scandalous, a little
Speaker 1: bit more outrageous. I think some people can get through
Speaker 1: and like, you know, like I think Hannah and Dylan
Speaker 1: were like a couple where they met, like immediately there's
Speaker 1: like them two together. They connected and it was great,
Speaker 1: and they like focused on them as a couple. But
Speaker 1: I feel like other than that, like they just really
Speaker 1: pushed like the boundaries and always.
Speaker 2: Oh they did oh on Bacheldise.
Speaker 1: But like most contestants, that's their experience of like it
Speaker 1: was just like they literally say, it's like a living hell,
Speaker 1: Like it's just serious, it's just your dying. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just horrible, or a lot of hills experiences for
Speaker 1: my part. But there's some lucky ones who do meet
Speaker 1: like Anna and Dylan are getting married this summer, you know,
Speaker 1: so right, it does work for some I just don't
Speaker 1: feel like probably that be where I meet my guy.
Speaker 2: It's kind of what you're describing with Bachelor and Paradise
Speaker 2: sounds like when the Real Housewives go on a cast
Speaker 2: trip and it's absolutely miserable because all you're doing is
Speaker 2: filming the whole time. You're completely just shit faced, and
Speaker 2: you're somehow you have to like get it together to
Speaker 2: go film and fight.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, that's exactly what I've been until people look
Speaker 1: there and so it's just like and like for me,
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't. I would not thrive in that setting,
Speaker 1: at least meeting someone in a real way, you know.
Speaker 2: No kidding, no, yeah, I don't think anyone would be
Speaker 2: like and then you go home and be like what
Speaker 2: did I just don't.
Speaker 1: Have to wait for months for to see it air
Speaker 1: and see oh.
Speaker 2: The worst and like nobody's together anymore or something. I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe they are. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: It's a few, like you know, it works for a
Speaker 1: lucky few.
Speaker 2: But so do people talk to you about your sex
Speaker 2: and dating life a lot since you're on a dating show?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think like they've never been kissing
Speaker 1: really like shocked people for a while and like literally
Speaker 1: in the streets, like I would like walk by and
Speaker 1: he's like never been kiss girl, No way, So funny,
Speaker 1: like never in my wildest dreams that I think that
Speaker 1: would be like what I'm known for. You know, come on,
Speaker 1: that's all alicize that, you know, I mean, like I
Speaker 1: would never that was never like the plan?
Speaker 2: Why did you not kiss anyone? So you're twenty three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just hadn't dated someone seriously, and for me,
Speaker 1: that was just like something that was a little bit
Speaker 1: more special, and that was kind of like it wasn't like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm waiting till I'm gonna get married or you know,
Speaker 1: like you think, Yeah, it was just something that I
Speaker 1: think I just took dating a little bit more seriously
Speaker 1: and so I just hadn't met someone that yet that
Speaker 1: I really liked enough to kiss. I guess.
Speaker 2: You know, so do you still go through through dating
Speaker 2: with that same attitude I can do.
Speaker 1: I do. I don't just date to date at all.
Speaker 1: I don't find it like fun just to go on dates.
Speaker 1: It's like a little bit like stressful for me. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just I would date with like the
Speaker 1: intention of marriage, and you know, I will probably only
Speaker 1: date people who I'm like I can see something serious
Speaker 1: in the future, like obviously I'll go on dates when
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, this could be a potential, Like you
Speaker 1: can't know you're someone exactly, but yeah, I just like
Speaker 1: not just I'm like, oh, free dinners, free fun thing,
Speaker 1: you know, Like that's just like I rather just eat
Speaker 1: McDonald's and my friends, you know, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: like a five star dinner with a random that I.
Speaker 2: Don't Yeah, it's taxing. I do it. I'm familiar. So
Speaker 2: what are you looking for in a partner?
Speaker 1: I so, like, what were you talking about before? Faith is
Speaker 1: huge for me? So someone who loves Jesus. I really
Speaker 1: like a guy who is like servant hearted, is like
Speaker 1: looking out for other people's needs before then their own.
Speaker 1: And I really like intelligence, So smart guys are really
Speaker 1: attractive to me. And like that goes along with like
Speaker 1: a good sense humor. Yeah, I honestly don't have like
Speaker 1: any sort of physical type, Like I don't really like
Speaker 1: it's so funny, Like I just don't really. I just
Speaker 1: have not attracted people until I know them. So I've
Speaker 1: like thought a lot of people like across the board,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't really have a certain type.
Speaker 2: What are you not looking for? What are some traits
Speaker 2: in people that you would say absolutely not going on
Speaker 2: a date with that person to five star restaurant and
Speaker 2: wasting my time?
Speaker 1: Anyone who yeah I McDonald's anybody like lacks humility and
Speaker 1: is just like pompous and like, so.
Speaker 2: You're saying you wouldn't go on a date with the
Speaker 2: fake lambeau guy.
Speaker 1: Fake lambo guys out. Okay, Yeah, I like anyone who
Speaker 1: thinks they're like something else is just so like confidence
Speaker 1: is so attractive. But when it gets like just like
Speaker 1: this false sense of like self, it's just so unattractive.
Speaker 2: I just yeah, that's a lot of guys though, don't
Speaker 2: It's a lot.
Speaker 1: Of guys that I think that's the struggle. You know,
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of people, And I think it's
Speaker 1: just a lot of it is like insecurity masks is
Speaker 1: like overconfidence, but it's just like nikes.
Speaker 2: Well, is it a lot of guys or is it
Speaker 2: a lot of people in general? Women as well?
Speaker 1: For sure, I think it's a lot of people. And
Speaker 1: I think it's like our culture is kind of like
Speaker 1: promotes a lot of that in a in a way,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of hard to escape. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you think that?
Speaker 1: Do you agree?
Speaker 2: Do you? I think I think so. I mean it's
Speaker 2: been really interesting to date after I dated before the
Speaker 2: Internet age and then now like I'm in the thick
Speaker 2: of it and so not the Internet age, I would
Speaker 2: say dating app age. So it's been it's been like
Speaker 2: very mind opening for me, But you know what I
Speaker 2: find most interesting. So I'm divorced with three children and
Speaker 2: an independent career, an income. I don't need kids, I
Speaker 2: don't need money, I don't need access. I don't like
Speaker 2: I have everything I need. I thought it would be
Speaker 2: so easy to date. No, it's hard. I feel like
Speaker 2: maybe a lot of men are intimidated or feel less than.
Speaker 2: I don't know. The ones that do who I think
Speaker 2: are probably intimidated or feel less than don't possess the
Speaker 2: emotional EQ to be able to communicate those thoughts or
Speaker 2: feelings that they may be having. So it's hard to
Speaker 2: really get good feedback from these people where I really
Speaker 2: would appreciate it the most.
Speaker 1: Totally. I mean that totally makes sense. Like when like,
Speaker 1: so have you like liked a guy and then they're
Speaker 1: like just like pull back or how did that dippen?
Speaker 2: All the time, I mean all the time, I've dated
Speaker 2: so many different guys. But yeah, I mean also in general,
Speaker 2: I just don't really care. I don't care as much
Speaker 2: as I used to. I'm currently dating this guy that
Speaker 2: I've been on and off with for three years and
Speaker 2: like the offs, yeah, but like the offs have included
Speaker 2: like full blown relationships with that I've been in in
Speaker 2: the meantime, and so has he. So it's not like
Speaker 2: it's very it's more like a friendship and I'm I'm
Speaker 2: fine in this space right now. So I'm just kind
Speaker 2: of figuring things out.
Speaker 1: Do you like why had it been on and off?
Speaker 1: Like you're just like not sure about him or.
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure about him. I think like logistically and
Speaker 2: like just kind of where we are in our lives
Speaker 2: are very different. But eh, I think honestly, more than anything,
Speaker 2: it's my three kids that are holding.
Speaker 1: Him back, like you don't want for them to.
Speaker 2: No, it's not that I'm fine like he can.
Speaker 1: He's a theory about I think that's too.
Speaker 2: Much for him. I don't know, I think I think
Speaker 2: that's definitely a big part of it. Also, living in
Speaker 2: Saint Louis makes dating hard, Yeah, and yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: really connect with it with a lot of people here,
Speaker 2: and he's in LA most of the time, so which
Speaker 2: is it's fine when I'm out there, but you know,
Speaker 2: it's nice to have somebody around every now and then too.
Speaker 1: I know, my my friend's mom always says that don't
Speaker 1: go after the gus. The geographically undesirables because it's just hard.
Speaker 1: We always we always fall for the gus. Why is that?
Speaker 1: I know makes things harder.
Speaker 2: So you live in Carlsbad? Correct, yes, okay, So do
Speaker 2: you only date guys in Carlsbad or would you be
Speaker 2: open to dating outside?
Speaker 1: No, I'm definitely I've definitely been open to dating outside
Speaker 1: and I have, but it is difficult, like I like
Speaker 1: to not be. Yeah, long distance stuff is hard, so
Speaker 1: even like trying to maintain that and I'm so not
Speaker 1: like on my phone, I'm not a huge chexter, so
Speaker 1: it's like having to just like it just like doesn't
Speaker 1: like logistically work most of the time at least.
Speaker 2: So your your aunt says GEU for geographically undesirable. I say,
Speaker 2: are you g R geographically relocatable?
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. They have to be. Oh, they have
Speaker 1: to be, or I have to be. I honestly am
Speaker 1: so open. Like I'm like kind of in a phase
Speaker 1: in life where I'm like, yeah, like I'm not like tied.
Speaker 1: My family's here and I like love that, but I'm
Speaker 1: not like, oh my gosh, I have to stay here
Speaker 1: forever and I'm stuck here and blah blah blah, like,
Speaker 1: I'm probably open. They just have to be like, I'm
Speaker 1: not just gonna pick up and leave for like anyone.
Speaker 2: Your sister's about to have that baby. I don't know
Speaker 2: about that. You're gonna be really tied to that little baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she Holly, my little sister moved to Idaho, so
Speaker 1: she yeah Idaho boisi, I hear.
Speaker 2: That's a cool place.
Speaker 1: It's so it is fun. I like it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I've lived there really, so she's not even here.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm scared of my parents are gonna just
Speaker 1: they're gonna go out love with the baby.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was like, Mom, you can't stay here. You're can
Speaker 1: go crazy not being with the baby.
Speaker 2: Planes, trains and automobiles. That's what it's for, right exactly. Heather,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on. It's been great
Speaker 2: talking with you. You're so easy to chat with. Where
Speaker 2: can we find you?
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram at Heather m twenty.
Speaker 2: Two and yeah, that's that's pretty much it awesome. I
Speaker 2: love your Instagram, so I'll be in touch thanking up
Speaker 2: on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Likewise, best of luck with everything, Thanks you too, have
Speaker 2: a good bye bye you too.
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