Speaker 1: Hello, Challenge family. This is Devin Simone and you are
Speaker 1: listening to MTV's official Challenge podcast. Oh you guys, I
Speaker 1: held my breath at least two and a half times
Speaker 1: this episode What about You? Was there a moment where
Speaker 1: you caught your so you were like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I need to breathe through this. I'm not even on
Speaker 1: the TV screen. Was it during the actual Challenge Daily?
Speaker 1: Was that the moment that you held your breath? Or
Speaker 1: was it in the elimination when they kept dropping the
Speaker 1: puzzle pieces. I want to know. Put it in the
Speaker 1: comments or the reviews. I want to know, because I
Speaker 1: had There were moments with Emily rolling over like that,
Speaker 1: like oh my gosh, and then the dropping of the
Speaker 1: puzzle pieces. They were like neck and neck. There was
Speaker 1: so much going on and I'm here for it. It's
Speaker 1: the stuff that we love about an episode.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The saga that is Danny and Tory's relationship is really
Speaker 1: interesting to me. It's so funny, like how their dynamic
Speaker 1: is working and or not working, and you know how
Speaker 1: they're choosing to communicate, and like they actually could really
Speaker 1: help each other if they just listen to one another.
Speaker 2: And I want to clarify.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a moment really quick and go through
Speaker 1: some of the comments on you all's reviews, because you know,
Speaker 1: we appreciate when you guys leave us great reviews and commentary,
Speaker 1: even if we don't always agree, we just appreciate you
Speaker 1: being a part of the family.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: So I want to shout out some of the great
Speaker 1: reviews that we have, but I also want to point
Speaker 1: out one that says they think that I am very,
Speaker 1: very like biased towards the VET and that made them mad.
Speaker 1: They also think that I am on the West hate train.
Speaker 1: I just want to clarify, I do not hate Wes
Speaker 1: at all. I think Wes is very entertaining. I think
Speaker 1: he's hysterical. I actually think he's a very lovely person
Speaker 1: like as a person in the limited times I've spent
Speaker 1: with him outside of the game. Do I think Wes's gameplay.
Speaker 2: Is particularly smart. No, but that doesn't mean I hate Wes.
Speaker 1: And then, as far as being super loyal to the Vets,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna take that. I realize that
Speaker 1: it does sometimes seem like I lean inside with the Vets,
Speaker 1: and I'll admit I am a human and not always correct.
Speaker 1: I think my viewpoint comes from, though, feeling like you
Speaker 1: can sometimes learn things from the Vets that you can
Speaker 1: use to your own advantage, right, because like all of
Speaker 1: us start at rookies as rookies at some point, and
Speaker 1: so like, I get what it was like to be
Speaker 1: rookie and the underdog, you know, in my first season,
Speaker 1: but by listening there were things that you could learn
Speaker 1: and then use your advantage. And so my confusion over
Speaker 1: Danny and Sarah's strategy this season is like, not only
Speaker 1: are they going after the Vets, which is fine if
Speaker 1: this was one of those seasons where you know, it's
Speaker 1: like even spies, lies and allies right where you're not
Speaker 1: necessarily paired with a VET, but in this instance, you're
Speaker 1: literally paired with them. So if you want someone who's
Speaker 1: gonna protect Torri out, that means you want someone who's
Speaker 1: gonna protect you out like that, Just that part is
Speaker 1: the part that leaves me scratching my extinction. That's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's all, and it's just a different perspective
Speaker 1: in gameplay, but it's all love there. Someone tweeted Real
Speaker 1: Housewives and included Danny in it and saying asking why
Speaker 1: keep coming for Danny on the podcast. Look, I come
Speaker 1: it's my job to critique and analyze anyone's style of gameplay.
Speaker 1: It is literally all love with Danny. If Danny and
Speaker 1: our teammates, I would hope that we wouldn't be fighting
Speaker 1: like Tory and Danny are this season. But who knows.
Speaker 1: It's a different vibe when you're in the house. But
Speaker 1: just because I don't agree with how you're playing the
Speaker 1: game doesn't mean that I don't appreciate you, and doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that next season I would appreciate it. Because I
Speaker 1: loved Danny's gameplay last season, and I actually didn't like
Speaker 1: Sarah's last season, But I like Sarah's gameplay a little
Speaker 1: bit more this season, so it changes. That is the
Speaker 1: nature of the game. But I think it's important to
Speaker 1: separate that, and I think those that really go far,
Speaker 1: Like if you're thinking about how you do in a
Speaker 1: Challenge house, if you keep watching, it's those who are
Speaker 1: able to separate that that seem to be able to
Speaker 1: kind of go far, rather than holding on to your
Speaker 1: strategy as being whether or not so one like likes
Speaker 1: you or support to you. So we're Team Danny over here.
Speaker 1: We just don't like how Team Danny's playing at this
Speaker 1: exact moment, but it's all love. I also want to
Speaker 1: shout out this lovely review from six AM one thousand,
Speaker 1: who said that they're not the typical demographic because they're
Speaker 1: sixty seven, but they stumbled across the challenge and they're
Speaker 1: now a Challenge fan. They are hooked, welcome to the family.
Speaker 1: They said that they really are digging the podcast as well,
Speaker 1: so we appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Blessed B ninety five said she appreciates us on the podcast.
Speaker 2: Appreciate that as well.
Speaker 1: Day g Pegge, I'm butchering that I know I am,
Speaker 1: but says that they love the podcast also, so appreciate
Speaker 1: all of you guys, and thank you so much for
Speaker 1: listening and getting into this, and please continue to rate
Speaker 1: review DM follow all that stuff. We really do appreciate
Speaker 1: you being a part of the family. Now, a couple
Speaker 1: things I want to point out some things that stood
Speaker 1: out to meet this week.
Speaker 2: No, it was not to J's fashion for once. It
Speaker 2: was though.
Speaker 1: Threatening Sarah talking about she's gonna flip the tables if
Speaker 1: Sarah like you know, renigged on the agreement that they
Speaker 1: had Tory sort of threatening to go all Teresa Judice
Speaker 1: on the challenge is just amusing to me.
Speaker 2: And then Tristan. It was interesting that Tristan and.
Speaker 1: Kelly Ann and tell me what you guys think about this.
Speaker 1: We're so confused and Kelly Anne looked genuinely upset when
Speaker 1: she's sitting at the table and the votes are for them, right,
Speaker 1: the majority of votes are for them, And my thoughts are, like,
Speaker 1: while I think anyone would be disappointed being voted in,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna come out swinging as hard as they've
Speaker 1: been doing and as hard as we see Kelly In
Speaker 1: doing in this particular episode, can you really be surprised
Speaker 1: if people turn on you?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Like, does that count as a blind side? I'm interested
Speaker 1: to know what you guys think. I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like it doesn't, but I'm open. I'm open to discussioning
Speaker 1: the topic. So does that count as a blind side?
Speaker 1: And even if it does or doesn't, I just have
Speaker 1: to say I fully respect Kelly Anne's gameplay and I
Speaker 1: respect her accepting of her fate. So once she did
Speaker 1: realize that everybody was essentially coming for her, and she's
Speaker 1: like it was going to go in. I respect that
Speaker 1: she was like, all right, I'm ready for this, Like
Speaker 1: whatever happens, happens. I think that is, you know, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 1: All right, So my ruler of the world of this episode,
Speaker 1: king or queen of the world would probably have to be.
Speaker 2: Emily.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, what that just her recovery and coming
Speaker 1: from you know that what looked like a pretty epic
Speaker 1: crash and her like getting up and walking away and
Speaker 1: be like all right, let's move on next thing, Like
Speaker 1: she is just fearless and a badass, and wow, because
Speaker 1: I certainly would have been sitting there looking at my
Speaker 1: nails to see how many broke, trying to get sand
Speaker 1: you know, out of timor or whatever wig I'd be
Speaker 1: wearing in that moment rap Tamra, and yeah, I'd probably
Speaker 1: be discombobulated. And she was just like ready to rock
Speaker 1: and roll. So I respect that so much. And the
Speaker 1: person that is out of this world or bad or
Speaker 1: you know that we're putting in time out for this week.
Speaker 4: Hmm.
Speaker 1: You know, I love seeing Tory and Danny start kind
Speaker 1: of working together. So no one really like God on
Speaker 1: my nerves this week. Yeah, I think everybody was great.
Speaker 1: Everybody was good this week. Everybody played their part. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe it was the car that flipped over. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like the car was annoying. They shouldn't have
Speaker 1: done that to my girl Emily. But otherwise, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was really good, such a good episode and we have
Speaker 1: some really great guests for you today. We have the
Speaker 1: ridiculously funny Darrell Taylor and the fabulous Kiki Morris. I
Speaker 1: just I don't know about you, but I am like
Speaker 1: loving Kiki. I'm loving Keky this season. I love her energy.
Speaker 2: She just seems like.
Speaker 1: She has such good vibes and I love that we
Speaker 1: continue to get to see them and watch them in
Speaker 1: the game. So we are going to chat with them.
Speaker 1: So grab your snack, get comfy and cozy, I don't know,
Speaker 1: go for a run, do whatever you do when you
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast. Whatever you do, don't take your
Speaker 1: earphones out, don't disconnect because you are definitely not gonna
Speaker 1: want to miss this. Right after this commercial break, you guys,
Speaker 1: it's that time. We have a fabulous interview for you
Speaker 1: today with Look. I'm just gonna warn you because I
Speaker 1: already know it's gonna go left because of one of
Speaker 1: the people that's here for this interview, and by left
Speaker 1: I mean in all the good ways, but but none
Speaker 1: of the ways that we've planned. We have the fabulous
Speaker 1: Keky Morris and the absolute nutty but lovable Darrell.
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, how are you?
Speaker 3: Where's von You know what, Darrell?
Speaker 1: I can hang up on you on on this call.
Speaker 1: I have that power and ability and I will do
Speaker 1: it in a Harvey. Don't you test me?
Speaker 3: Don't you know? I love you too? But I thought
Speaker 3: that Vonn was coming on too. Well.
Speaker 2: Every once in a while we get some good surprises.
Speaker 2: So you're welcome. Durell.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, congratulations, I heard you getting married.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm Kiki. Welcome to the crazy family. That is the challenge.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much. I feel like I have always
Speaker 5: known some of these people. I feel like these are
Speaker 5: the family members I've always longed for, These crazy people
Speaker 5: that I've met on the World Championship that are now
Speaker 5: lifelong friends.
Speaker 1: Did you always long for them or there's some that
Speaker 1: you long less for?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a few on there that are like that.
Speaker 5: Cousin removed that this is the family members waiting you
Speaker 5: don't like I mean in the cast, but no, I
Speaker 5: definitely had an amazing time on the World Championship and
Speaker 5: loved every minute of it being Darrell's partner.
Speaker 1: We loved watching you guys. You guys are such a
Speaker 1: fun and dynamic team and watching your story this season
Speaker 1: has really been interesting. Can you tell us a little
Speaker 1: bit more about this dynamic with you and the other
Speaker 1: Aussies because it seemed from a viewer, it seems like
Speaker 1: there are moments where you know there's kind of this
Speaker 1: camaraderie and then other moments where you.
Speaker 2: Feel left out.
Speaker 1: So can you tell us a little bit more just
Speaker 1: like about that the history of that.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I think part of my personality trait is I
Speaker 5: am just I'm a friends with everyone kind of person
Speaker 5: and I don't hold a grudge. However, I also need
Speaker 5: to check myself and you know, kind of draw back
Speaker 5: into reality a little bit realize. I sent Emily home
Speaker 5: in the Australian Challenge and I didn't realize onto that.
Speaker 5: So when I get to Cape Town, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 5: em what's happening And she's a bit stand offish and
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, still hold a bit of a
Speaker 5: grudge or good? Little did I know that she had
Speaker 5: it out for me from day one, and God blessed Troy.
Speaker 5: He was warning me. But I'm so naive when it
Speaker 5: comes to being friends with people. And I really thought
Speaker 5: that Australia was a strong team. And then now watch
Speaker 5: missed back with everyone else at home. I'm realizing Grin
Speaker 5: Emily weren't necessarily gunning for the opposition of other countries.
Speaker 5: They're actually for me from the get God, so I
Speaker 5: mean kicking the art.
Speaker 4: I tell you I was the naive or because she
Speaker 4: kept telling me and I was like, now we're in yes,
Speaker 4: we'll never do that and yeah, So if anything, I
Speaker 4: was the naive one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Darryl, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I thought that I was strong and united. I couldn't
Speaker 4: have had it a better way. I had Amber, who
Speaker 4: the only girl I trusted in the house.
Speaker 3: She was Ausy.
Speaker 4: And then I had fucking Yes, the only dude I
Speaker 4: trust one hundred percent was Ausy. I couldn't have had
Speaker 4: it that way. It was perfect for me. But obviously
Speaker 4: people had different agendas.
Speaker 2: So there's no Darrell in team Darrell. It's no both
Speaker 2: of you. It's not it's not.
Speaker 1: Kiki. You bring up a good point though, right, So
Speaker 1: you said, Hey, I you know I thought we'd all
Speaker 1: be kind of gung ho coming into this challenge. Then
Speaker 1: I realized Emily still had it out for me because
Speaker 1: I sent her home without giving anything just away. In general,
Speaker 1: now that this is your second season, you're watching it
Speaker 1: at home with the rest of us.
Speaker 2: Now, like getting to the episodes.
Speaker 1: Do do you feel any differently about Emily holding that grudge?
Speaker 1: Like like, okay, go ahead.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely. I feel like we're not in high school anymore,
Speaker 5: and I feel like we both signed up for the
Speaker 5: Challenge Australia knowing it was a competition. I don't think
Speaker 5: I was ever vicious or vindictive. I always cheered, even
Speaker 5: watching the episodes of every single daily challenge, I'm cheering
Speaker 5: for Emily. I'm like, you know, cheering for every person,
Speaker 5: even Team USA, I'm cheering for you, see me. I
Speaker 5: think it was in the Rocketman one I was screaming.
Speaker 5: I lost my voice that day because I cheered for everyone.
Speaker 5: I like a participation of what everyone gets one and
Speaker 5: I forget that we're competing for big money and I
Speaker 5: need to sometimes be a bit more competitive. I could
Speaker 5: make everyone cupcakes and cookies and we just sing Kumbaia.
Speaker 5: That's the ultimate challenge for me, but I also have
Speaker 5: to compete with these people, and I forget that in
Speaker 5: order to be competitive sometimes you have to make an
Speaker 5: enemy in your brain to make it. Yeah, to try
Speaker 5: and beat someone, absolutely person, it's going to be a
Speaker 5: bit harder for someone to go after them and try
Speaker 5: and beat them. So I think it's sometimes a safety
Speaker 5: thing to make sure that you don't get too close
Speaker 5: with people in this competition, because eventually your feelings are
Speaker 5: going to get in the way of winning money. So
Speaker 5: I think for the next time around, if I get
Speaker 5: invited back, I need to not be best friends with everybody,
Speaker 5: and I look out for myself absolutely.
Speaker 1: And let's talk about we see a conversation where you
Speaker 1: guys are kind of talking about throwing in a USA team.
Speaker 1: So can you guys clarify who is in your alliance
Speaker 1: at this point?
Speaker 4: I guess our alliance really is only Kelly An and Ben.
Speaker 4: Hi wait, it's Ben been hid are gone?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, So it's just weird, really just Kelly and interesting.
Speaker 4: I mean, I thought I had guess, but at the
Speaker 4: same time, he letting Emily take the reins on it
Speaker 4: to run it. I get us a partnership but she
Speaker 4: basically just punked him the whole season.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, me and Kikky would talk about stuff, and
Speaker 4: there would be like there was times like where she
Speaker 4: would say something and I knew it's a partnership, so
Speaker 4: in fact that and I'm willing to work with her
Speaker 4: with that and we've got to figure it out. But
Speaker 4: for some reason, it looked like Emily just pumped yes
Speaker 4: the whole season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said it, you heard it.
Speaker 2: First, You did say it. Say it, Drell.
Speaker 1: I have a question for you, being a veteran of
Speaker 1: the show and being a longtime married man.
Speaker 2: You have a beautiful wife, beautiful kids. Do you think that.
Speaker 3: You're how as soon as you said that, she loved
Speaker 3: to hear that.
Speaker 1: Oh good, tell her, I said, Hi, do you think
Speaker 1: although this might be a question for her to be honest,
Speaker 1: but my question is good question. Do you think that
Speaker 1: your experience in marriage and partnership played a role as
Speaker 1: an asset in you being a partner in this game?
Speaker 1: Like were there things that you've taken from your you know,
Speaker 1: experiences being a husband and teamwork in that way and
Speaker 1: utilizing it as a team in this.
Speaker 4: Personal training and just learning how to motivate people because
Speaker 4: you know, you get people that don't want to move,
Speaker 4: eat them.
Speaker 3: But I think it has to do it just being
Speaker 3: a personal trainer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, reason why I picked Drell as my partner because
Speaker 5: I said to myself, I'm like, this guy is married
Speaker 5: with kids, which means he has a lot of patience,
Speaker 5: He juggle his time, and he's also a personal trainer,
Speaker 5: which means he motivates people to get the last rep
Speaker 5: out of them on a daily basis. So when I'm
Speaker 5: trying to give up, he's that fire at my backside
Speaker 5: to tell me to keep on pushing. And that was
Speaker 5: like the definitive moment that made me choose Drell in
Speaker 5: that first decide what we did the yeah, yeah, he's
Speaker 5: just yeah, he's the best partner for that matter.
Speaker 1: What was the best thing that you learned from Durell
Speaker 1: in your time as his partner?
Speaker 5: The thing with Drell, Though he taught me a lot
Speaker 5: of things, he taught me to actually believe in myself
Speaker 5: a lot more because you didn't see it on the
Speaker 5: tunnel time. But I get really anxious in confined spaces,
Speaker 5: and I'm really anxious with numbers because I've always struggled
Speaker 5: with I've had like numeric dyslexia my whole life, where
Speaker 5: I get numbers jumbled up in my head. And he
Speaker 5: will behind me saying the whole time, just take a time, kicks,
Speaker 5: You're gonna be fine. And I mean, I think in
Speaker 5: our heat in tunnel time, I beat Justine because well,
Speaker 5: they're motivating me and takes me out of that anxiety state.
Speaker 4: So we would just the bananas ass every challenge.
Speaker 3: You can't put that for record. I was not gonna
Speaker 3: let Justine beat us.
Speaker 4: She picked bananas before me, and yeah, we whooped the
Speaker 4: ass every challenge.
Speaker 2: I feel some personal like you know she's coming from
Speaker 2: that Durell.
Speaker 3: It's okay, whatever it is, what it is.
Speaker 4: And Kiki, she shows up every time though she would
Speaker 4: have these like and at first I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: maybe it's just one, you know, one time, but it
Speaker 4: would happen and then that can find she fucking shows
Speaker 4: up every time she had her in hell, her out
Speaker 4: puffing away. I don't think I'm going to do it,
Speaker 4: but you know what, she shows up and kills it
Speaker 4: every time.
Speaker 3: Every time.
Speaker 2: Kiki, what's the worst thing you learned from Durell on
Speaker 2: this season?
Speaker 5: I mean look, I feel like you see it when
Speaker 5: we have our little diary room confessional box thing, like
Speaker 5: Durrell just has sometimes got word vomit. He just claps
Speaker 5: up with anything. And I mean one thing I think
Speaker 5: I did in our little confessional box moments was kind
Speaker 5: of keep him on the DL because here just be
Speaker 5: blurting out how he feels about everyone. And I'm like, dude,
Speaker 5: this is going to go on television in a couple
Speaker 5: of months. They can't see what you think about them.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 5: So when we're in there together, I feel like I
Speaker 5: somewhat of wraps on him. But when he does his
Speaker 5: own little confessional box stuff, you see him going off
Speaker 5: talking smack on everyone.
Speaker 1: So speaking of talking smack in or nonsense, did you
Speaker 1: guys ever get on the same page around pear shaped.
Speaker 4: Shape like a body type? You know, like like someone
Speaker 4: would ask. So I was a little confused.
Speaker 5: All one pear shaped is meaning like what was going
Speaker 5: really well in a smooth direction? The plan was good,
Speaker 5: it was set. It goes pear shaped because it's a
Speaker 5: bump in the road. It's figure speech. I don't know,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's no I knew what you I knew what you meant.
Speaker 3: Just you ain't never heard that before. That's allsie talk.
Speaker 2: I have to Also, my fiance is Australian, but I have.
Speaker 3: Heard the one that ever we met. Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, I'm okay. So you guys are a
Speaker 1: really dynamic team. I feel like we don't see you
Speaker 1: making a bunch of moves.
Speaker 2: You know, you know what it is.
Speaker 4: Yes, Ikey is a social butterfly and that's probably what
Speaker 4: had Emmy Emily little struck on her too, the fact
Speaker 4: that he goes around and she's talking. She would be
Speaker 4: talking to everybody, hanging out with everybody, and I would
Speaker 4: be doing the same on the other side. So keeps
Speaker 4: very social and like she like she's like the life
Speaker 4: of the party. She's very outgoing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I get anxiety when we have any strategy talk. I'd
Speaker 5: say to Drell, I don't want to know what we're doing.
Speaker 5: You just say what we're doing when we get there.
Speaker 5: Keep me out of it because I can't lie. Anyone
Speaker 5: puts me in a corner and says, Kiki, what are
Speaker 5: you and duo band strategizing about? I'll just blurt that
Speaker 5: shit out because I can't keep the secret. So so
Speaker 5: the strategy is, don't tell Kiki what we're doing and
Speaker 5: it will secret good.
Speaker 1: I hope any potential partners of Kiki is listening to
Speaker 1: this episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to know.
Speaker 5: Keep me out of the plan.
Speaker 2: Kiki.
Speaker 1: You mentioned feeling like you have a lot to prove
Speaker 1: this season. Can you tell me a little bit more
Speaker 1: about that and why this season is so meaningful to you?
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think for me coming from my background in
Speaker 5: Australia as a childhood in my teenage years, I grew
Speaker 5: up in kind of a small town and tall poppy
Speaker 5: syndrome was rife. So if you're really really good at something,
Speaker 5: you needed to kick yourself up to be bullied and
Speaker 5: preyed upon. So I feel like my whole life I
Speaker 5: set myself to just cruise at the same level as
Speaker 5: everyone else, to not put a target on my back.
Speaker 5: But in things like the challenge, you have to attempt excellent.
Speaker 5: Every single gotta be good. Yeah, a constant struggle within
Speaker 5: myself to go, this is the one chance now you
Speaker 5: actually can prove yourself that you are good at these things.
Speaker 5: But my has always said, don't be too good, be
Speaker 5: good enough, but not too good that people will dislike you.
Speaker 5: I think that people pleasing mentality from my childhood has
Speaker 5: followed me into an adulthood, and I've really had to
Speaker 5: push myself every single week in these challenges to know
Speaker 5: it's okay to be good at something, it's even better
Speaker 5: to be great at something, and it's even more fabulous
Speaker 5: to be good at all those things and not care
Speaker 5: what people think about you because it doesn't define you
Speaker 5: absolutely what this whole experience has taught me about myself.
Speaker 5: But in the pressure cooker, that is the challenge house.
Speaker 5: The need to be liked versus the need to be
Speaker 5: the winner. Yes, and I'm still struggling with that now and.
Speaker 1: Girl, you will be struggling for it in season nineteen
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy eight. It is forever the delicate balance.
Speaker 1: But it's been beautif for kind of just watching you
Speaker 1: come into your own And it's interesting what you say
Speaker 1: that you know, initially you kind of taught yourself. You
Speaker 1: grew up feeling like you want to just coast because
Speaker 1: it's sort of the safe space. And yet you come
Speaker 1: in here and you win the very first elimination of
Speaker 1: the season.
Speaker 2: What was that like for you?
Speaker 5: I was actually going to disqualify myself before I even
Speaker 5: did the first elimination. Oh why because when I found
Speaker 5: out it was a poor wrestler, it was a physical
Speaker 5: kind of I'm really I have really bad anxiety. I
Speaker 5: came from a background of domestic violence. That kind of
Speaker 5: physical closeness, physicalness of that challenge was making me feel
Speaker 5: a bit anxious. I had PTSD still carrying from a
Speaker 5: previous relationship that was quite physical, and I didn't know
Speaker 5: if I was going to be able.
Speaker 2: To do it, like I wanted to power through all
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 5: Funnily enough, one of the producers who I grew really
Speaker 5: close with on the Australian Challenge kind of just sat
Speaker 5: me down and had a word with me before I
Speaker 5: was going to disqualify myself. Just said, like, this is
Speaker 5: an opportunity for you to to yourself that you're not
Speaker 5: gonna let what someone did to you in your past
Speaker 5: to find who you're going to be in your future
Speaker 5: and to just push through and do it. And I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm a strong person. I grew up with an older
Speaker 5: brother that WWE wrestled me every weekend, every weekend without sale,
Speaker 5: So I'm like, I know these moves and I can
Speaker 5: kill this. So I kind of brushed myself off and
Speaker 5: pulled my head out of like, you know, the sandbox.
Speaker 5: I wanted to bury it in and just run away,
Speaker 5: and I ended up obviously sending Claudia a home in
Speaker 5: the first elimination.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so powerful, and I'm sure so many of
Speaker 1: us are so glad that you're still here.
Speaker 2: Drell. You've done a billion and a half of these?
Speaker 1: What is it like for you?
Speaker 2: You know each is it different for you each time?
Speaker 1: Do you kind of come in and there's a part
Speaker 1: of you on autopilot because you know how this goes,
Speaker 1: You've won, you know, you're a multi time champ. What
Speaker 1: is it like for someone with your challenge pedigree coming
Speaker 1: into the World Championship House.
Speaker 3: What is it like?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess you could say that's pretty much auto pilot.
Speaker 4: You gotta be able to roll with the punches and
Speaker 4: it's it's just you just can't really predict what's gonna happen,
Speaker 4: So you got to just be able to ride the
Speaker 4: waves and survive and show time to go in just win,
Speaker 4: and that's pretty much it, you know, I mean I
Speaker 4: don't really try to I mean politic too hard how
Speaker 4: much I could do. I kind of let everybody else
Speaker 4: start like killing each other off, you know, But I
Speaker 4: like one thing I do gotta get off my chest.
Speaker 4: When people kept trying to say when Danny came to us,
Speaker 4: we had our first kangaroo court, it was like trying
Speaker 4: to get us saying, oh, Grant was like, oh, they're
Speaker 4: they're working with us. They want us to throw in Jordan.
Speaker 4: They was not finna fucking throw in Jordan. Who on
Speaker 4: the USA is gonna.
Speaker 3: Say Jordan's name? Not one of them fuckers.
Speaker 4: So when they showed me saying that, I know, like,
Speaker 4: come on, are you serious We're gonna do that dirty work.
Speaker 4: We're gonna like say George's name and he still ain't
Speaker 4: gonna get a majority vote, right, and you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, it's gonna put like that was so man,
Speaker 4: I just want to get that off my chest. But
Speaker 4: stuff like that, I don't strike until it's time to
Speaker 4: until it's time to strike.
Speaker 1: You know, mm hmmm, that's fair. Okay, I'm glad you
Speaker 1: got that off your chestrail. This is this is the
Speaker 1: safe space place. By the way, both of you so share.
Speaker 1: It's only me here, No one else is listening except
Speaker 1: for maybe like a few million people.
Speaker 2: But it's fine. Let's talk about.
Speaker 1: This episode, because like, there was a lot this episode one.
Speaker 1: We'll get into the elimination. I'd say this is I
Speaker 1: thought this elimination was just so cool and interesting and
Speaker 1: required so much so can't wait to talk about it
Speaker 1: with you guys. But before we get to that, let's
Speaker 1: get into this daily. Okay, So you show up.
Speaker 3: I take full responsibility.
Speaker 5: Yeah, fuck you, Daryl.
Speaker 4: I mean, she thought I was afraid of heights, and
Speaker 4: I was like, nah, I'm fine, but she's like, no,
Speaker 4: I don't like driving on the right side.
Speaker 3: Of the road or whatever the opposite.
Speaker 5: I know, and I'm not sure A really good drive
Speaker 5: off I even though it. I actually just had an
Speaker 5: accident in my partner's car here in spite and he
Speaker 5: lost his side mirror because of me. But gosh, apart
Speaker 5: from that.
Speaker 4: Responsibility for us getting lest right now, I don't like
Speaker 4: driving fast.
Speaker 2: I love to drive.
Speaker 5: Boss. We should have talked about this, dude ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I take back what I said about your communication skills, bro,
Speaker 1: And also from the sounds of it, neither of y'all
Speaker 1: need to be driving anything ever.
Speaker 3: Since I got precious cargo, so I have no need
Speaker 3: for speed anymore.
Speaker 4: So it's a big difference. But yeah, that's responsibility. I
Speaker 4: didn't put the pedal to the metal.
Speaker 2: Not at all.
Speaker 3: Not.
Speaker 1: You left the pedal straight up in the air. It
Speaker 1: was it was just hanging out in the air.
Speaker 2: Drell.
Speaker 1: But before we even get to that part when you
Speaker 1: guys saw Emily's accident, because I couldn't even believe that,
Speaker 1: you got yeah, like when you okay, please walk through
Speaker 1: that moment.
Speaker 5: You do you remembering really hard to Emily crashes and
Speaker 5: then she crashed?
Speaker 3: Did I put a hands on her? I remember?
Speaker 2: Wait you said that?
Speaker 5: Yes, I really hope Emily rolled it and doesn't finish.
Speaker 5: And next minute she rolls it.
Speaker 3: The medics coming out, we didn't know if she was
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 5: I was like, I hope she doesn't get make it back.
Speaker 5: She's been cured.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, So walk us through though in that moment.
Speaker 1: So okay, they went first, right, and you see it
Speaker 1: roll and I know you know as we're watching it
Speaker 1: at home that I was holding my breath because you
Speaker 1: see her kind of fall out of the or not
Speaker 1: fall out, but you know, like.
Speaker 2: Lay out on the sideround thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, so was Emily in the dode she ride
Speaker 1: back with you guys or did they have to take
Speaker 1: her if we were in the.
Speaker 5: Kind of paramedics for a minute and checked her around.
Speaker 1: She was fine, and then when Tory rolled it looked
Speaker 1: like nobody really reacted when Tory rolled over, and then
Speaker 1: Toy was laughing when she got out of the car,
Speaker 1: which was, you know, sort of hilarious.
Speaker 2: But what was the chatter happening there?
Speaker 1: Were you guys just like whatever, she'll be fine, or
Speaker 1: were you guys worried all over again?
Speaker 3: But she just kind of tipped, She didn't really roll
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 5: Wasn't as a violent kind of jolting Like I think
Speaker 5: Emily had a bit of shock when she kind of
Speaker 5: rolled it because it was she well obviously whiplash and
Speaker 5: you say it actually kind of whimpering and screaming because
Speaker 5: it would have really scared it absolute the Jesus out
Speaker 5: of it. But everyone was fine, Thank the heavens.
Speaker 2: Was it fun to do?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know y'all came in last, but otherwise,
Speaker 1: aside from Darrell's driving his daisy speed, was it like
Speaker 1: a fun challenge to do it?
Speaker 5: Was. Yeah, it was really fun. It was an adrenaline rash.
Speaker 4: Nonetheless, yeah, not too many people could say they get
Speaker 4: to drive off of a back of the truck, So
Speaker 4: that part, I guess it is pretty cool.
Speaker 3: After the doors, I mean that.
Speaker 2: Was so cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, I'll never look at a granny
Speaker 1: car the same way again, Dryl. I will always think
Speaker 1: of you. Now when you guys find out that you
Speaker 1: were last and go back into the house. At that moment,
Speaker 1: who were you thinking you're likely going to go against?
Speaker 1: Did you have any inclination of the plan that was
Speaker 1: about to take place at all? Was there any like
Speaker 1: mumbling going on? Are there other people you thought were
Speaker 1: going to be sent in?
Speaker 4: I mean, we knew we were probably going against uh,
Speaker 4: Kelly Anne and Tristan are possibly leaving Troy or Troy Hacy,
Speaker 4: But we knew for a fact most likely it was
Speaker 4: going to be Kelly Anne. And interesting because what you're
Speaker 4: doing this game is they always put you in against
Speaker 4: your allies.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, they can just weaken your numbers and pick
Speaker 5: off your whole alliance basically, and that's their attempt. Obviously,
Speaker 5: we see it here tonight that it was Tristan's birthday,
Speaker 5: so we felt I know, I felt especially bad because
Speaker 5: you don't want to send someone home on their birthday,
Speaker 5: especially after they came out of being sick to win
Speaker 5: a challenge the week before. They didn't get to home
Speaker 5: on their birthday. I felt like an asshole. I'm not
Speaker 5: going to lie.
Speaker 1: How did you guys feel about Kelly Anne's assertive we'll
Speaker 1: call it that gameplay.
Speaker 2: Particularly.
Speaker 4: I think she's a legend like she and that she
Speaker 4: still was trying no damn well, she.
Speaker 3: Was sitting there, she was like, Okay, I gotta go.
Speaker 3: This is too many numbers.
Speaker 5: I gotta go.
Speaker 3: You think I will put in Tori and Danny? Right?
Speaker 2: It was hilarious.
Speaker 1: I mean, I respect for someone who genuinely believes anything
Speaker 1: is possible, like I mean respect, but her approach and
Speaker 1: we see a little bit of a tear between Tristan
Speaker 1: and Kellyan at a point because of her delivery, right,
Speaker 1: like when she was talking to Yes and she's kind
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, just do this, like make it happen.
Speaker 2: Like Kellyan seriously cracks me up.
Speaker 1: I love her and I think she's so entertaining like
Speaker 1: she's but yeah, what what were your thoughts about her
Speaker 1: actual approach and how she Do you think she would
Speaker 1: have gotten further if she maybe finested a little more?
Speaker 2: Do you think that would have made a difference.
Speaker 3: Who knows? It was funny she.
Speaker 5: Didn't lose Ben har and Jody and and b didn't
Speaker 5: our numbers would have been strong that that would have
Speaker 5: been a totally different game. But Kelly Anne was moving
Speaker 5: mad like every opportunity she could, she was strategizing. And
Speaker 5: I feel like some of these guys that stick around
Speaker 5: on their you know, their their their legends, and they're
Speaker 5: coming back and back time and time again. I have
Speaker 5: the balls to strategize the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 5: I want to go down and a blaze of glory.
Speaker 5: I don't want to play my cards safe like she. Yeah,
Speaker 5: legends of how she plays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, respect on that.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, before we get into it anymore, I
Speaker 1: definitely want to hear it. Let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and we'll be right back after this. Now, when you
Speaker 1: guys found out that Jordan and Kaz were the ones
Speaker 1: who won giving your allies.
Speaker 2: Did you did you feel pretty safe?
Speaker 1: I mean as safe as you can feel being in
Speaker 1: the bottom, But you know what I mean, did you
Speaker 1: feel pretty good about it?
Speaker 2: Or were you lost?
Speaker 3: I was not even man, we lost, we're going in?
Speaker 3: I really wasn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I really wasn't. I wasn't really
Speaker 4: worried about it.
Speaker 1: Worse, knowing you're going in because you're last or being
Speaker 1: voted in the bottom sucks off.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie. It's the worst.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not knowing and didn't have and the will deal
Speaker 4: with the anxiety and do do I kiss?
Speaker 3: Ass? Do? I like try to play the game and
Speaker 3: then it don't even fucking work anyway? Why kiss?
Speaker 5: But knowing that people are talking about you behind your
Speaker 5: back in rooms and trying to figure out who we're
Speaker 5: going to vote for, people will smile to your face
Speaker 5: and then go talk in a room behind your back
Speaker 5: and say let's put kicking and durell in. That is
Speaker 5: the most frustrating feeling, because I'm like, you just fucking
Speaker 5: said hi, doing me in the kitchen and yeah, they've
Speaker 5: been worrying you're safe to my face twenty minutes ago, Like,
Speaker 5: don't fucking lie to me. That's all I'm asking for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's a fair that's a fair request. Now
Speaker 1: we saw that Keiki handled her stress via cleaning. Uh, Darrell,
Speaker 1: how do you handle your stress in those moments I
Speaker 1: go take a nap?
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you take a nap, when you go and
Speaker 5: hang out in your bathroom downstairs.
Speaker 1: I was just about to say the bathroom key because
Speaker 1: I remember Darrell we talked about this in a previous aftermath,
Speaker 1: had a list of notes he would take and he
Speaker 1: would take him on the toilet.
Speaker 2: Yes, good to know Durell is still derelling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I still study the seasons.
Speaker 4: I write all the seasons down then I studied I
Speaker 4: don't forget him case.
Speaker 2: And that's your toilet reading.
Speaker 5: Yeah. If I always sad to look into my pod,
Speaker 5: I'm where's my pot? Is he going? Is he taking
Speaker 5: a nap? Or is he in the bath rooms the
Speaker 5: any place I had to look for?
Speaker 2: That is hilarious in so many ways. That is hilarious.
Speaker 1: What's the vibe like at this point in the house, Like,
Speaker 1: what's the energy or you guys, because I know you know,
Speaker 1: avid listeners will know this. Those who are kind of
Speaker 1: newish to the show may not. But there is a
Speaker 1: certain level of camaraderie or tension that occurs over time
Speaker 1: because when they're not competing. I know, back in my day,
Speaker 1: we used to call it ice, so it'd be like
Speaker 1: interview day, competition day, elimination day, right, and that would
Speaker 1: sort of be the schedule, and then you'd have an
Speaker 1: off day in the weekend where you get to just
Speaker 1: as a group, you go to a movie or hang
Speaker 1: or a movie night or something like that. So what
Speaker 1: is the vibe like now as the numbers are getting
Speaker 1: smaller in the house that we're not seeing, are people
Speaker 1: kind of getting along aside from the strategizing part? Is
Speaker 1: it just complete tension everywhere? Has it not changed very
Speaker 1: much since you first got there? What's what's the feeling like?
Speaker 3: Everybody's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Emily and Sarah never leave their room, but other than that,
Speaker 4: it's Danny would come out and play people booth but
Speaker 4: for the.
Speaker 3: Most no, but Danny was cool. Me and Danny hung
Speaker 3: out a lot.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was just everybody was pretty much respectable.
Speaker 4: I just didn't know how much Kiki kept warning me
Speaker 4: about Emily, And that's where.
Speaker 2: I really why don't you believe? Why didn't you believe Keiki?
Speaker 1: Especially because Keky obviously comes across as just smart and
Speaker 1: also it's just super honest.
Speaker 2: I mean, she said herself that she can't keep a secret.
Speaker 1: About anything, so like, why didn't you believe her when
Speaker 1: she was saying, Hey, I feel like this is going on.
Speaker 3: Well because I guess you was partnered with yes, and
Speaker 3: I was trusting yes.
Speaker 5: M It's funny how you see the people's character, Like,
Speaker 5: as much as it's so true, I have no bad
Speaker 5: blood with anyone because you're playing a game for yourself
Speaker 5: and most part you know, play it with integrity, play
Speaker 5: it with honesty. But at the same time, if you've
Speaker 5: got to keep secrets and you've got to keep people
Speaker 5: at arm's length, go ahead and do it, but just
Speaker 5: don't lie to people, especially when long term relationship Like
Speaker 5: I only met the people in my challenge last year.
Speaker 5: We've done one season together. Some of you guys have
Speaker 5: done it for years and years and years, and outside
Speaker 5: of this game that we filmed for six to eight weeks,
Speaker 5: you got to spend the rest of that year like
Speaker 5: knowing that you stabbed a friend in the back like
Speaker 5: this with myself, and if they can, hey, that's a
Speaker 5: that's a characteristic that I envy in them, because my
Speaker 5: conscience is way too strong to be treating people like
Speaker 5: they are you know nothing, So I mean it's how
Speaker 5: everyone plays the game. It's different.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Now let's get into the elimination. This one seemed
Speaker 1: so cool. How did you feel when TJ told you
Speaker 1: what you guys.
Speaker 2: Were going to be doing?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: Well, I thought we was going to have our own stick.
Speaker 4: Well, of course we had our own stick, but I
Speaker 4: thought we had to do it by ourself, one by one.
Speaker 2: So you weren't. You just weren't listening to TJ. AT's
Speaker 2: what you say. That's unbrand.
Speaker 1: That tracks cool, kiky, how did you feel about it?
Speaker 5: Look again, you see my anxious energy come through in
Speaker 5: this one. I get really really fat, Like my poor
Speaker 5: fiance actually says it all the time. I get really
Speaker 5: hyperactive and really really fast, and like I'm moving really
Speaker 5: quick and I'm not creating, and I get really snappy.
Speaker 5: And poor Durrell copped the brunt of this in this
Speaker 5: elimination challenge because it was really frustrating. I think we
Speaker 5: were there for like an hour and forty five minutes, Like,
Speaker 5: and those those chopsticks are fucking heavy, and like my.
Speaker 2: Arms were they really oh wow?
Speaker 1: Because watching it, they don't look obviously there are certain
Speaker 1: level of balance that looks challenging, but they don't come
Speaker 1: across as heavy initially.
Speaker 2: But they were interesting.
Speaker 5: And again there's a line on the chopstick as well
Speaker 5: that you can't put your hands past. But the closer
Speaker 5: you are to the middle of the chopstick, the more
Speaker 5: control you have of ourse. You know, you're trying to
Speaker 5: be really strategic and displace the weight. Well, the blocks
Speaker 5: that we're transporting are made out of styrofoam, like what
Speaker 5: your television comes packed in, so they're like light as
Speaker 5: a feather, So a simple little movement, we'll put that
Speaker 5: thing out of the chopstick and snapping at Darrell, Darrell's
Speaker 5: telling me to calm down. Never in my life if
Speaker 5: I thought about murdering something more than I have in
Speaker 5: that moment when he told me to calm down, I
Speaker 5: was like, don't you tell me to calm down? Like
Speaker 5: a rage that came over me. But I mean we
Speaker 5: pulled it out in the end and took home the
Speaker 5: wind in that one.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we saw you guys start to get on
Speaker 1: like in a vibe. How dar how did that like?
Speaker 1: Because you guys were like not at them in the beginning.
Speaker 3: From the gate, I knew we had this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then about fifteen minutes I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 4: and I was like, well, no, I can lose to Trician,
Speaker 4: to Kellyanne, nothing against it, but I'm like, no, there's
Speaker 4: no way in hell we're losing.
Speaker 3: And then we finally just slowed down and we got
Speaker 3: our rhythm together.
Speaker 4: And we just got it. We we just got it done.
Speaker 4: But it was very frustrating. I'm not gonna lie because
Speaker 4: it's teamwork and you're gonna drop them. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: You're gonna get all to the end and it's gonna fall.
Speaker 4: It's gonna happen, you know. But yeah, Kiki stayed strong.
Speaker 3: She never gave up. I was so proud of her.
Speaker 3: She never quit and that's all you can ask, you know.
Speaker 1: When what was the vibe so you take home the
Speaker 1: w obviously you're excited. Yes, What were your feelings both
Speaker 1: about Chopsticks from this point forward and then also about
Speaker 1: saying goodbye to Tristan and Kelly Enn was that Were
Speaker 1: there any strong feelings there?
Speaker 5: Was?
Speaker 1: It just kind of like, hey, guys, game, We'll played
Speaker 1: on to the next step.
Speaker 2: Like, what were you guys feeling well, we.
Speaker 4: Knew we were at the bottom of the total pile
Speaker 4: in the house. We didn't have no alliances now much
Speaker 4: like we have.
Speaker 5: No allies, Like Troy is somewhat safe in the fact
Speaker 5: that he's partnered with Casey, Emily and yes, have got
Speaker 5: the safety of Sarah and Danny. Jurelle and I just
Speaker 5: literally fucking freeze at this point. We got nowhere to go.
Speaker 5: No one's going to protect us. We're basically up shit
Speaker 5: creek without a paddle.
Speaker 2: Are you guys regretting your strategy at this point?
Speaker 1: Then your socialization, your you know, strategic strategy, I mean even.
Speaker 5: The most strategic people in the house. We didn't have
Speaker 5: the camaraderie and the background of Sarah and Danny doing
Speaker 5: the US Challenge together. We didn't have the joy. I
Speaker 5: haven't been engaged to Tory, so I was already out
Speaker 5: on that one. And then Tory and Casey are bestie.
Speaker 5: So it doesn't matter how well we would have strategized,
Speaker 5: we still were never gonna have the safety because the
Speaker 5: relationships just weren't there.
Speaker 2: But is that true?
Speaker 1: Because Sarah and Emily hadn't met and they who proposed
Speaker 1: I didn't Emily propose to Sarah in their room in
Speaker 1: one episode.
Speaker 5: Over the fact that they weren't very sociable. So I
Speaker 5: mean they.
Speaker 4: Time, Yeah, yeah, I mean I yes, did talk to
Speaker 4: me a few times a lot, actually, but I just
Speaker 4: I just felt like he was Ben in his back
Speaker 4: over for Emily more and I get he's playing this
Speaker 4: game trying to have allis Era.
Speaker 3: And who's also connected to Danny.
Speaker 4: But now you also see they about to cut his
Speaker 4: ass too, so like, and this also goes back to
Speaker 4: show after watching this, I didn't know how much Ben
Speaker 4: like because me and Ben.
Speaker 3: Never really talked.
Speaker 4: But I wish I would have had these conversations with
Speaker 4: Ben because Ben looked like he was ready to go,
Speaker 4: And I wish I would have pulled been on our
Speaker 4: side because he was in the back seat of all that,
Speaker 4: Like I'm in the back seat all that, and we
Speaker 4: could have worked together and made some shit happen.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: But of course he got sick too though, so but yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Does that mean then, after watching all of this that
Speaker 1: when you guys come back, you know, regardless of whatever
Speaker 1: we see, there's so much to see for the rest
Speaker 1: of this season. But obviously we're watching you guys still
Speaker 1: in the house. So now you have some you know,
Speaker 1: additional perspective because you're sitting at home and watching conversations
Speaker 1: that have occurred, you know, while you were in the
Speaker 1: room and all of that. Are you guys inspired that
Speaker 1: for whenever you come back in future seasons to approach
Speaker 1: the game a little differently given what you've seen, or
Speaker 1: do you think you would still go at it exactly
Speaker 1: like you've been doing.
Speaker 4: Now, break that ship up right off the jump, you
Speaker 4: Pattns and best friends.
Speaker 3: Your ass gotta go.
Speaker 5: That's it. If I ever go into a challenge and
Speaker 5: there's a Casey of Jordan and a Tory in.
Speaker 4: That challenge, all of them, they all gotta go.
Speaker 5: Everybody in and go. Guys, take it from me and
Speaker 5: Droll you know anything. You know that this group of people,
Speaker 5: they'd be broken up because yeah, we never had a
Speaker 5: chance in any alliance Blungs those guys are around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I will say everybody wanted the team, wanted
Speaker 4: to be on Team USA for the most part, because
Speaker 4: they knew how strong they were. Like we didn't get
Speaker 4: to see like all the other seasons of like the
Speaker 4: Aussie's or the UK but we did see USA, and
Speaker 4: we knew that Justine, Danny and Sarah were tight and
Speaker 4: even been to a certain degree, right, and it's just
Speaker 4: so happened that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just yeah, whatever it is, what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always a learning I mean, that's the thing
Speaker 1: about the challenge, right There's it not only pushes you
Speaker 1: to your physical limits, but it also is an interesting
Speaker 1: social experiment and you kind of learn how you navigate
Speaker 1: amongst people, and you know ways to do it where
Speaker 1: you feel like you're maintaining integrity to your point, Kiki,
Speaker 1: where you're like, honest, I play straightforward game da da da,
Speaker 1: and then in ways that maybe you take liberties with that.
Speaker 1: But it's always like this evolving thing, you know, time
Speaker 1: and time again. I don't think anybody who's done the
Speaker 1: show that we've watched, even people like you Durell or
Speaker 1: Bananas or Tory Nanni who played it a million and
Speaker 1: a half times, I don't think they ever come back
Speaker 1: into the house playing the exact same game that they
Speaker 1: did before, you know what I mean, Like, there's always
Speaker 1: some twist up a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely learned. I'm playing like them. None, I'm
Speaker 4: just playing for that season. Matt I ain't worried about
Speaker 4: next season like Danny he was. He was going hard
Speaker 4: with trying.
Speaker 1: To Yeah, that's a good So I want to ask
Speaker 1: you about that too, you guys, because there I've been
Speaker 1: reading the comments and there's definitely some chatter around. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously some people, you know, some people like to call
Speaker 1: it like team bets, team newbies. Some people are like, no,
Speaker 1: you just want to kind of strategize and be smart
Speaker 1: about it, and some people are very much loving that
Speaker 1: Danny like Danny just seems Danny and Sarah to like
Speaker 1: have it out for any of the you know, Legends players.
Speaker 1: What are you all's thoughts about their strategy and just
Speaker 1: coming in being vocal and going hard for old school.
Speaker 3: Their strategy work.
Speaker 4: Danny and Tory, their strategy works for the simple fact
Speaker 4: that he's aligned with all these people that's Toy's not
Speaker 4: aligned with, and Toys aligned with all the people he's
Speaker 4: not alliance that they.
Speaker 3: Are completely safe.
Speaker 4: They nobody never said their name, so it was the
Speaker 4: smart on their part.
Speaker 3: They didn't even know they were doing it.
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, that didn't seem intentional. That's because
Speaker 1: we see them fighting over right about not getting on
Speaker 1: either side, but who side? Looking at that duo, whose
Speaker 1: side would you be on? Around like, you know, Danny saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we need to get out. I was Sarah, bah blah,
Speaker 1: we need to get out Jordan, all these other people.
Speaker 3: I would have been on Danny's side.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I think the logic behind what Danny was trying
Speaker 5: to do was saying that if we don't break up
Speaker 5: these long standing relationships within the legends, there's never going
Speaker 5: to be a chance in hell for anyone else's alliance
Speaker 5: is to become, you know, the standalone ones to make
Speaker 5: it to the final, because the skill behind these masterminds
Speaker 5: like Bananas and Tory, they if you don't break that
Speaker 5: shit up, they're gonna every time because they've been.
Speaker 1: Doing this a lot longer than But here's the point
Speaker 1: that makes it so interesting in this game. And I
Speaker 1: hear you and agree with both of you all's points.
Speaker 1: But this is what makes this season the World Championship different.
Speaker 1: Danny breaking up security for Tory breaks up security.
Speaker 2: For Danny because they're on the same teams.
Speaker 1: It's different when it's seasons where you have two newbies
Speaker 1: and two vets and to totally but breaking up an
Speaker 1: alliance that's helping your own team.
Speaker 5: I feel personal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's that's the part point exactly exactly in
Speaker 1: any other season, it makes sense. But why not If
Speaker 1: Tory has such a tight alliance that she's fighting with
Speaker 1: you over it, then that means that that alliance she
Speaker 1: is certain is going to protect her, and therefore you
Speaker 1: why not at least utilize that to get a little
Speaker 1: further first, and then you know, cut ties, do what
Speaker 1: you need to do instead of like being so vocal.
Speaker 5: And I respect him for him fighting to that point, right,
Speaker 5: like he fought to prove a point for the greater good,
Speaker 5: not just for you know, using her alliance as he's safety,
Speaker 5: because he wanted to say, we have just as much
Speaker 5: right to be there. But I mean it did shoot
Speaker 5: him in the foot in the sense that they fought
Speaker 5: at every single nomination.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what were you gonna say?
Speaker 4: Jern I said, maybe maybe they maybe they were doing that.
Speaker 4: Maybe they had us all food and that was their
Speaker 4: whole way of playing the game.
Speaker 2: Tori and Danny, Yep, boy bye, they're not. They did
Speaker 2: not trust me. That was not order, that was not
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 4: We're just gonna keep acting like we want to throw
Speaker 4: each other's alliances in and then we'll be safe the
Speaker 4: whole way.
Speaker 1: They would need an oscar A Bafta and Emieta sag
Speaker 1: Award if that was acting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think he made promises to people too.
Speaker 4: So then once you start making promises you don't want,
Speaker 4: that's good. You feel like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: That's why this season was so good.
Speaker 4: While that while we were doing our thing, that the
Speaker 4: MVPs were already starting to make a line and they
Speaker 4: didn't even know who they were partnered with.
Speaker 5: Oh and that's true. They all made.
Speaker 4: Could always do this formatic and get a group of
Speaker 4: different people, let them stay in the house or meet
Speaker 4: for like a couple of days, let the alliances and
Speaker 4: then these other people come in. All right, now you
Speaker 4: guys are paired up, and then it's gonna be like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they were like prematurely kind of buddying up,
Speaker 1: not realizing how it.
Speaker 3: So I always say, never start making alliances until you
Speaker 3: know all the rules.
Speaker 1: Right, right, that's fair because there's twists every season anyway.
Speaker 1: So it's like you think, you know, yeah, oh you
Speaker 1: know what, that's so insightful. And maybe two, that's why
Speaker 1: Danny and Sarah pushed so hard on this game plan
Speaker 1: that they seemed to have had coming into the house,
Speaker 1: but it didn't really it wasn't really applicable for this
Speaker 1: season because again, they weren't partnered against the Vets. They
Speaker 1: were partnered with the Vets. So yeah, I think we
Speaker 1: cracked the code.
Speaker 2: Guys. I think that's brilliant.
Speaker 5: I'm sitting here, my mind's getting bloorn right now. I'm
Speaker 5: in the house again thinking about it all again.
Speaker 1: Yes, all the strategies, like, yeah, okay, that's really that's
Speaker 1: really interesting. Well, I'm glad to see you guys back
Speaker 1: in the house. Like I said, I was also so
Speaker 1: I was holding my breath when Emily's crash happened, But
Speaker 1: I was also holding my breath as we got down
Speaker 1: to the final uh tangerine puzzle pieces.
Speaker 2: According to Drelledy, yes to the needy, greedy, shout out
Speaker 2: to Nelson.
Speaker 3: Happy, hopefully recover. So man get well, brother, we do hope.
Speaker 1: So we all love Nelson so much, very very much.
Speaker 1: And so you're doing the tangerine puzzle pieces and as
Speaker 1: it started getting it was neck and neck. Was there
Speaker 1: a moment in that elimination where you thought, you know what, actually,
Speaker 1: I think we might lose this, be honest, No, I.
Speaker 3: Was like, well, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Even when it got really close, you got because it
Speaker 2: was like, nah.
Speaker 4: That's when I was like, hold on, we need to
Speaker 4: take it down. Just let me let us work real quick.
Speaker 4: Hold on, and then we just put it up. And
Speaker 4: then we got it.
Speaker 3: I mean, for.
Speaker 5: We knew that we had it then because they were
Speaker 5: they were not communicating well. As the as it went on,
Speaker 5: accunication got better, their communication got worse. And that's what
Speaker 5: I felt like, Okay, we're gonna.
Speaker 2: Be fine, gotcha? Yeah, yeah, Darrell? Do you agree with that? Drell?
Speaker 2: Are you texting on your phone right now?
Speaker 3: No, I'm not. I'm chilling. I'm playing with my little
Speaker 3: little stream.
Speaker 2: Just a man.
Speaker 1: Darrell is just if you guys ever see Darrell in
Speaker 1: the streets, he's a laugh and a half and also
Speaker 1: a mess all at the same time. That is, yes,
Speaker 1: he is literally a laugh nap. Okay, So you guys win,
Speaker 1: you're coming back into the house. Is there anyone that
Speaker 1: you guys are targeting at this point?
Speaker 2: Be honest, don't lie.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think the best scenario for US is
Speaker 4: if like USA was the win and USA was the lose. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's the only scenario that we could actually probably make
Speaker 4: something happen.
Speaker 2: What do you mean explain that?
Speaker 3: Like you because you lose numbers.
Speaker 4: So if you win, if your ally wins and then
Speaker 4: one of your allies losers, you.
Speaker 2: Know, they get your voting numbers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, happened the Heights one.
Speaker 4: So if Jody and Benji didn't lose and didn't get last,
Speaker 4: we would have it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So that's all I'm hoping for.
Speaker 4: Like maybe if one of the USA wins and then
Speaker 4: maybe like a Jordan loses or whatever, and then maybe
Speaker 4: hopefully Troy Casey and uh yes and Emily would work
Speaker 4: with us, you know what i mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what other two teams would you want to see
Speaker 2: with you in a final?
Speaker 4: Definitely Danny and Tory and THEO and Sarah.
Speaker 2: Why is that?
Speaker 4: Well, because you know it's harder to move with big bodies. Okay,
Speaker 4: you know, it's like a mac truck. You know, you
Speaker 4: don't want to see it head up, you know, But
Speaker 4: if you're going, if you're going to La and you
Speaker 4: know in my speed I drive, which is you know,
Speaker 4: I think I'd be all right on that one because
Speaker 4: we on foot, so those big bodies are harder to move,
Speaker 4: I think as.
Speaker 5: Well though, with the team dynamics. Touching on what Geroda said,
Speaker 5: I think THEO and Sarah don't have that team dynamic
Speaker 5: relationship that Darrell and I have. And also Tory and
Speaker 5: Dunny fight about anything like it's eye was blue, Tory
Speaker 5: would say, no, it's green, like.
Speaker 2: The couple's therapy. Yeah, they are.
Speaker 1: They are just I mean, they need a moderator, they
Speaker 1: need some of Durell's couple's wisdom, they need a lot
Speaker 1: of things. Although it's working, their dysfunction is working to
Speaker 1: their advantage, but I really feel like it's they're falling upwards,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's sort of an accident,
Speaker 1: Like it's not graceful. It's just happening to work out
Speaker 1: in their favor, which is really good. Yeah, so so
Speaker 1: much good stuff, and I can't wait to continue to
Speaker 1: watch this season. Is there anything you can tease without
Speaker 1: just giving away anything that we should like keep our
Speaker 1: eye out for or a moment, Oh look, that's it.
Speaker 5: Next next you see me get a notice gleade Darrell,
Speaker 5: remember that, Remember.
Speaker 2: He lied to me.
Speaker 5: I'm like dreading. He's like, now, mamma, you're good. I'm
Speaker 5: like I can.
Speaker 3: Because site and collective.
Speaker 5: Yeah, told I had a nose bleed. I had an
Speaker 5: asked for attacking a nosebleed while swimming, and I thought
Speaker 5: I was going to die. And I'm a strong singer,
Speaker 5: so it was pretty scary.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I look forward to not you feeling
Speaker 1: like you're gonna die, Kiki, but I look forward to
Speaker 1: seeing this moment, and I hope that they show us
Speaker 1: Durrell lyne to you when you ask about a nosebleed.
Speaker 1: For those who just can't wait until next week's episode.
Speaker 1: But they want to keep up with you guys and
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Where can they find you on social media?
Speaker 2: Kiki?
Speaker 5: They can find me on Instagram. It's Keky Morris and
Speaker 5: yeah that's basically all I'm on. So drop me a line.
Speaker 5: I try and chat with every single person that sends
Speaker 5: me a message. So say hello and I'll say hi back.
Speaker 2: And what about you, d money?
Speaker 3: Oh man? What's my Instagram handle?
Speaker 2: Four pound tailor or something? Isn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's there's underscores and all this.
Speaker 2: Yeah long.
Speaker 3: Underscore LB for LB fitness.
Speaker 2: There you go, I was close.
Speaker 3: You'll see a pair of cat on my arm. There
Speaker 3: you go.
Speaker 1: All right, that's looking real deep into that, but yes,
Speaker 1: there you will. You will see the two. You guys
Speaker 1: are such a joy, Kiki, really so great having you
Speaker 1: a part of the challenge.
Speaker 2: Family.
Speaker 1: Love watching you and so glad you're here. And Darrell,
Speaker 1: you're always fun, I mean special.
Speaker 2: He is a special one. Well, thank you, guys. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's so special.
Speaker 1: That that he disconnected, But thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Kiki.
Speaker 1: Can't wait to continue watching you guys, and hope to
Speaker 1: see you at the top.
Speaker 5: So much amazing.
Speaker 2: Bye.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: You know what we said goodbye with out here?
Speaker 2: We did.
Speaker 3: He was complimenting me and I just hung up on you. Well,
Speaker 3: thank you, thank you so much. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: You're welcome, Durell.
Speaker 3: I tried to end it, but I hit the wrong button,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you only prove my point. It was great, it
Speaker 2: was it was perfect timing. It was perfect timing. Well,
Speaker 2: thank you guys, have a wonderful weekend.
Speaker 4: Joy guys, bye, Kiki, I'm gonna call you so hi, bye,
Speaker 4: bye bye.
Speaker 2: I told you it was gonna be a good interview,
Speaker 2: did I lie? YESSI. I don't think a lot. I
Speaker 2: told you. Just listen.
Speaker 1: I loved having them on, so glad that they were here.
Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed it too. Kiki and Durrell
Speaker 1: are such a great team, and I don't know about you.
Speaker 2: I think they have what it takes.
Speaker 1: To make it to the find, Like Kiki is just
Speaker 1: proving to be kind of a fearless badass, and it
Speaker 1: seems like they're really ironing out their communication.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think they're a team to watch. You know where
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