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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 3: my name is Nolh.
Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our
Speaker 1: super producer Paul Michig. Control decands. Most importantly, you are
Speaker 1: here and that makes this the stuff they don't want
Speaker 1: you to know. Folks, longtime fellow conspiracy realists, you have
Speaker 1: heard us talk about the war on drugs, the controversy
Speaker 1: surrounding the US justice system, and honestly, heck, hundreds, if
Speaker 1: not thousands, of US related conspiracies. Today we are diving
Speaker 1: into this and much much more with a very special guest,
Speaker 1: the legendary comedian, the author, the man, the myth legend,
Speaker 1: and now podcaster, Michael call Youer. Thanks so much for
Speaker 1: coming on the show. Michael, Woo woo woo, Thank you
Speaker 1: for inviting me.
Speaker 4: Thank you. We got it. Immediately.
Speaker 3: Michael, We've been watching so much of your appearances of
Speaker 3: just your your life's work, sir. It exists on the internet.
Speaker 3: It is incredible to just go through the years, the
Speaker 3: years and years that you have been performing on stage
Speaker 3: and off stage. It is an honor. No, it's not
Speaker 3: that you're old, sir. It's that you know what you're
Speaker 3: doing and you've been doing it for a long time.
Speaker 4: So we just prolific. That's thank you. I keep telling
Speaker 4: people on the shows that people keep calling me legend,
Speaker 4: but it's not because I've done anything particularly. It's just
Speaker 4: called outlived all the mother motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: So so okay, let's for anyone who who somehow doesn't
Speaker 1: know Michael. You are a Chicago native. You you became
Speaker 1: known as the King of Venice speech for a brutal schedule.
Speaker 1: Could you tell us a little bit about five shows
Speaker 1: a day?
Speaker 4: You know, that's my legacy is Venice Beach. I love
Speaker 4: Venice Beach. Venice Beach defined me as a man and
Speaker 4: as a human being because I spent nine years on
Speaker 4: comedy that from eighty six to ninety five, I did
Speaker 4: five one hour shows every Saturday and Sunday without fail.
Speaker 4: No matter what time of year it was, and people
Speaker 4: showed up sometime they didn't, but we did them shows.
Speaker 4: And I did like six figures a year for nine
Speaker 4: years weekends only telling jokes. And everything else came from
Speaker 4: it as well. But you know, it all started for
Speaker 4: me in Chicago because I was a comedian in little
Speaker 4: clubs and stuff, and my friends taught me to doing
Speaker 4: street performance and I did it on State Street and
Speaker 4: I made some really good money and I became for
Speaker 4: I knew it, like the best street performer in eighty
Speaker 4: five in Chicago, just telling jokes and stuff. But then
Speaker 4: winter came, and wouldn't I trying to hit no damn
Speaker 4: joke on State Street in December? So I packed up
Speaker 4: everything that would fit my nineteen sixty seven Buikelet's saber.
Speaker 4: I sold everything else and I drove out to California.
Speaker 4: I didn't even know about Venice Beach, but I knew
Speaker 4: California had a lot of beaches, and I thought that
Speaker 4: it was hot here all year round. Not okay, it
Speaker 4: was cold and shit. In fact, it was February and
Speaker 4: I had gone up to San Francisco to do Fisherman's Wharf.
Speaker 4: There were seals in the water, that's how cold it was, seals.
Speaker 4: But I was out this street before me because that's
Speaker 4: all I knew, and I saw all I had and
Speaker 4: everything I owned was in the car. So I was
Speaker 4: staying on that boardwalk and tell jokes. And about a
Speaker 4: month in I passed out on the boardwalk and I
Speaker 4: got up and drove himself to the hospital and they said,
Speaker 4: you called stomach flew out there. Brother, you need to
Speaker 4: go somewhere where it's warmer. And by then my wife
Speaker 4: told me, you gotta come this place called Venice Beach,
Speaker 4: you know. And the rest is history. Man. I loved
Speaker 4: Venice Beach. I still love it, and we're going back
Speaker 4: out this summer and shooting one hour was special on
Speaker 4: the spot where I started, so it's gonna be pretty amazing.
Speaker 5: We were all just out there in that neck of
Speaker 5: the woods and we were staying in what was the
Speaker 5: Manhattan Beach, which I think Ben pointed out, feels a
Speaker 5: little Stepford wives. It's a little He's got a little
Speaker 5: bit of less of that kind of psychedelic, cool hippie
Speaker 5: energy that Vennis Beach has, But there is something electric
Speaker 5: about Vennis Beach where you have, like, you know, the
Speaker 5: the dancers, kind of bee boys and stuff.
Speaker 4: And that's now I can't imagine what it was like then.
Speaker 4: What was it like then? Yes, well, you know I
Speaker 4: call it DNN now the eternal Circus. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: always something going on. When I was out there, there
Speaker 4: was Robert Gruenberg. He's the chainsaw juggler. This guy would
Speaker 4: throw a running chainsaw in the air and catch it
Speaker 4: with an apple and with a raw egg and without
Speaker 4: breaking it. And while he's throwing them in the air,
Speaker 4: he's biting the apple and eating the apple. And he
Speaker 4: was doing that on the beef, I mean. And he
Speaker 4: made good money too. He had left and went and
Speaker 4: got himself a dealershit, a used car dealership. But the
Speaker 4: irs was watching him on Venice Beach and they guestimated
Speaker 4: how much money he made and took him to court.
Speaker 4: He had spend forty thousand dollars to keep from going
Speaker 4: to jail, you know, because they were coming out looking
Speaker 4: at your money and going one dollar, four dollars, seven dollars,
Speaker 4: eight dollars. You know.
Speaker 1: Let's get into that. Let's get into it. So as
Speaker 1: you know this stuff, they want you to know. Ass
Speaker 1: we like to leave no question unasked. We applied critical
Speaker 1: thinking to things that have sometimes dismissed this conspiracies. And
Speaker 1: one thing people always talk about in the world of
Speaker 1: conspiracies around this time of year, around April in the
Speaker 1: US is Uncle Sam and the irs faster.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Well he got me bent over a
Speaker 4: barrel right now. I tell you, I just brought new
Speaker 4: I just brought new money people on the team just
Speaker 4: to get me out of some of my tax trouble
Speaker 4: because I ain't trying to do the Wesley Snipes thing.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't do well in jail jailing. I'm
Speaker 4: too cute for jail, you know what I'm saying. I'm
Speaker 4: not to do somebody's wife, right, Okay, So we might
Speaker 4: take them a minute, but they're gonna catch up to you.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be like a Wesley Snipe's case in point
Speaker 4: or whatever. And especially if you're a high profile.
Speaker 5: But we're talking about people that normally we'd consider as
Speaker 5: being super under the radar, like street performers, and you're
Speaker 5: talking about somebody planted in the crowd making notes about
Speaker 5: income coming from street performance.
Speaker 3: Is that a rumor, Michael, or was that true? Do
Speaker 3: you think watching.
Speaker 4: No, that's true. That's what they would do. They would
Speaker 4: come out and they would have guys sit in the
Speaker 4: audience like they just enjoying the show. But they sit
Speaker 4: there and watch and see how many people throw money
Speaker 4: in the hat, and they see if it's five of
Speaker 4: teams whatever, and then they guessed the me how much
Speaker 4: they think you got, and then they charge you based
Speaker 4: on that. Of course, we ain't got no receipts. We
Speaker 4: street performers. We got what they put in the bag,
Speaker 4: you know, like Uncle Sam need a couple more dollars,
Speaker 4: fuck out.
Speaker 1: He That's the thing. No, this is great, this is
Speaker 1: the thing. It's it's actually kind of rare for us
Speaker 1: to hear about a real conspiracy that's totally on familiar.
Speaker 1: And I don't know about the guys, but I had
Speaker 1: never heard this one.
Speaker 4: But it makes perfect sense. They do a lot of
Speaker 4: volume in that.
Speaker 5: I mean people they're just constant crowds and they have
Speaker 5: a system and they're working it to get every dollar out.
Speaker 5: It's a hustle and it's a thing to behold when
Speaker 5: people are doing it right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I've got a sou I don't know if you heard
Speaker 1: this one we were able to confirm this thought. This
Speaker 1: was a rumor growing up. But the IRS apparently doesn't
Speaker 1: care if you commit crimes. It's not their department if
Speaker 1: you're out selling drugs. In theory, they just want to
Speaker 1: know how much money you made and they want to
Speaker 1: be cut.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they want their part. I mean, it's the same
Speaker 4: thing with now we have marijuana that you could purchase everywhere,
Speaker 4: cause the government finally figured out how to tax it,
Speaker 4: you know. So it's not about right or wrong, it's
Speaker 4: like how much is in it for me with my part?
Speaker 4: I under say, I want to win my part, you know,
Speaker 4: and they owe me. But my mama said, you know,
Speaker 4: a dollar nine a dollar when they catch you, you know,
Speaker 4: So we do the bith we can.
Speaker 5: And isn't that interesting with with what you're talking about
Speaker 5: about marijuana prohibition, like the into what you said, Ben,
Speaker 5: the IRS they're not there to p prosecute crimes and
Speaker 5: they're technically kind of an apolitical organization in theory, But
Speaker 5: whether or not they could tax marijuana was a political issue,
Speaker 5: not one that they controlled necessarily, but it had to
Speaker 5: be kind of legalized and regulated on a state by
Speaker 5: state level, and that's not where the IRS comes in.
Speaker 5: They come in to figure out how to collect the
Speaker 5: money once they you know, once it's made legal. So
Speaker 5: that's super interesting. And like for a time there were
Speaker 5: places where, you know, in California, if you go to
Speaker 5: a dispensary, they'd give you your change back in cash
Speaker 5: because the banks wouldn't mess with them.
Speaker 4: Yet. Oh, let me see that IRS will go in
Speaker 4: and take your money too, you know. I mean, if
Speaker 4: you leave your money in the bank, you you at risk.
Speaker 4: You know. I had I had one check, I did
Speaker 4: wages whatever. I did a movie with ice Cube called
Speaker 4: The Long Shots with Kiki Palmer was in it as well.
Speaker 4: She was fourteen years old and just absolutely brilliant. And
Speaker 4: we did that and I had to check. I had
Speaker 4: to check out things well before aready seven hundred dollars
Speaker 4: and I wanted the offer to get the check. That
Speaker 4: check was one dollar and fought and nand cent and
Speaker 4: Uncle Sam had left me a note. I was like,
Speaker 4: why can't be right?
Speaker 5: They said, politely worded notes.
Speaker 4: What it was just said that we are taking this
Speaker 4: portion of your check because of bag taxes. And just
Speaker 4: like that, a portion they left dollars all if they
Speaker 4: left me enough to get a Snickers. Now that's the Snickers.
Speaker 4: That's not the one that you have in the theater. No,
Speaker 4: that's the the fun size it.
Speaker 1: What do you call it fun size when there's less
Speaker 1: of it? Whatever?
Speaker 4: Problem? This is cute, it's cute.
Speaker 3: Fine, whatever do you mind if we stay on movies
Speaker 3: for just one moment. There's so much to talk about
Speaker 3: here with you, Michael, but I just I want to
Speaker 3: throw something at you and see what your reaction is. Okay,
Speaker 3: this is this is the first time I ever saw you. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 3: when you when you said this, Williams com sink pac
Speaker 3: Ram set Mos ninety two h taspect.
Speaker 4: That's hot shot part dude hot Let me tell you wait,
Speaker 4: when we get to the fence and it's a pence,
Speaker 4: you could step over. But it's lot damn it, it's
Speaker 4: a lot on panicking. Get a hold of yourself. Man,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. That movie was a main
Speaker 4: Let me tell you I bought my first home with that.
Speaker 4: I did twenty six weeks shooting that film, and it
Speaker 4: is one of the gifts of Venice Beach. I got
Speaker 4: so much work from being on Venice Beach because Venice
Speaker 4: Beach is the second largest attraction in California, second only
Speaker 4: to Disneyland. So everybody comes to Venice, they take their
Speaker 4: people down to Venice Beach. If somebody come in California,
Speaker 4: we got to take you to Venice Beach. So I
Speaker 4: got for talent though too. Internally, LA people, I'm sure
Speaker 4: going there looking for the next big thing exactly. That's
Speaker 4: shopping for talent out there. Look, I brought a girl
Speaker 4: on my morning show. I have a morning show, guys
Speaker 4: that I do five days a week. It's called the
Speaker 4: Michael Caya Morning Show on YouTube. So I was out
Speaker 4: there this past Sunday and this little white girl. I
Speaker 4: didn't even see her. I just heard Fleetwood Mac the
Speaker 4: album for Fleetwood Mac, and I was like, that is Soka?
Speaker 4: Who's playing that? I turn it's this little white girl
Speaker 4: and hold up. This little white girl was singing so
Speaker 4: pure I brought and put on my morning show Monday.
Speaker 4: She blew the roof off the sucker. I said, when
Speaker 4: you singing these covers, do you have original? She said,
Speaker 4: I'm about to drop my original album. She came back
Speaker 4: on Wednesday blew the roof off the soucker with originals.
Speaker 4: So she'll be on my show, well coming up, because
Speaker 4: I'm about to celebrate our six hundred show. She's gonna
Speaker 4: be on that one too. Venice Beach is the eternal circus.
Speaker 4: You got artists out there. It used to be a
Speaker 4: time you can get a slice of pizza for a dollar,
Speaker 4: probably cost two dollars. Now you know, you got girls
Speaker 4: walking around and bikini's barely clad. It's all kinds of
Speaker 4: objects and things. You come back. You go out there
Speaker 4: with twenty dollars and have a good afternoon as long
Speaker 4: as you don't have to pay for parking. It's amazing,
Speaker 4: you know. And then after Drum Beach that stuff and
Speaker 4: the Sundowners where a whole bunch of people stick around
Speaker 4: from six thirty to about seven and watch the sun
Speaker 4: literally go down and behind the ocean, you know. So
Speaker 4: it's a lot of wonderful stuff going on. When I
Speaker 4: get out there, they weren't making money, so I was
Speaker 4: teaching a lot of them how to get their money.
Speaker 4: Because they had the guy who would walk on glass.
Speaker 4: Uber Uber. This guy would break fresh glass, a pile
Speaker 4: of glass. He'd jump off a chair into the glass
Speaker 4: with no shoes on it. Then he did he pooched
Speaker 4: the glass back up, so it's a mountain of glass.
Speaker 4: He laid on it with no shirt. A lady was
Speaker 4: standing on his chest. A man was standless thighs and
Speaker 4: he smoked a cigret. Then he get up, wouldn't have
Speaker 4: a scratch on him. The boy was making like forty
Speaker 4: dollars a day. I said, no, no, no, no no, they whoa,
Speaker 4: you ain't doing this right. We're gonna have to work
Speaker 4: on that part because you got to get your money. Plus,
Speaker 4: one of his big things he was doing is he
Speaker 4: wouldn't collect his money till after his last piece. You
Speaker 4: can't do that. You can't do your last bit until
Speaker 4: you get the money. Your last bid has to be
Speaker 4: the hook. You know. You gotta tell them. I get
Speaker 4: some who I'm about to kill y'all with this, but
Speaker 4: I got to get my money first, okay, to play,
Speaker 4: you know, and then you get your cash, then you
Speaker 4: do the last bit. So I was showing them out
Speaker 4: there how to get money. I have a money grabber.
Speaker 4: I know we're not visual, but y'all can see this.
Speaker 4: We can money grab I can take this grab and
Speaker 4: reach out and get.
Speaker 5: Your you know, at home picture like a he man
Speaker 5: or like a like a transformers, these things.
Speaker 4: The reach for stuff up on the cabinet and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. I was grab yours is the one that
Speaker 4: the kids used. That's not even like the real one,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. That's the one that's that's amazing.
Speaker 1: These also this is odd by the way, for anybody
Speaker 1: who happens to be by the Venice boardwalk. You can
Speaker 1: find Michael's shoe and handprints there as well as an
Speaker 1: impression I believe of that money.
Speaker 4: That money grab her. You had to commemorate what idea
Speaker 4: when I was out there, because we made it. And
Speaker 4: see here's what I was telling you earlier too. I
Speaker 4: got a lot of work from there. I got hot
Speaker 4: shots due from there. I got Martin. I became a
Speaker 4: regular on Martin from there because everybody comes to Venice,
Speaker 4: and then they were coming, I'd have the biggest crowd,
Speaker 4: so they worked their way in. And then they say,
Speaker 4: here's a guy with two to four hundred people standing
Speaker 4: still in the sun for an hour and then happy
Speaker 4: to pay. But are are people taking advantage of folks
Speaker 4: like that? In Hollywood? You think of so much kind
Speaker 4: of crooked.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm gonna make you a star, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: pay you more than you're making on the boardwalk, but
Speaker 5: probably underpaying the hell out of you, and also then
Speaker 5: maybe signing you to an exclusive contract and like kind
Speaker 5: of owning someone's life, you know, is that Did you
Speaker 5: see any of that kind of stuff?
Speaker 4: Yeah, people doing that all the time. You know. Talent
Speaker 4: is always in danger of the people who want to
Speaker 4: exploit them, you know, so there's always folks out there like,
Speaker 4: but you need to be on your game, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I mean, a trick ain't a trick
Speaker 4: if you know the trick. But if you don't know
Speaker 4: the trick, then the trick's on you. You know. I
Speaker 4: was at one network that ran me out of there,
Speaker 4: and I couldn't figure out how I got out of there.
Speaker 4: How I thought I was doing so good? And my
Speaker 4: brother told me the story. He said, every evening, as
Speaker 4: the sun went down, there was this little village and
Speaker 4: a prince would come out to the edge of the
Speaker 4: river and walk across the river, and all the people
Speaker 4: would hide in the bushes and watch the prince walk
Speaker 4: across this river. Every evening. No one had the courage
Speaker 4: to approach him, and finally a little child. You know, children,
Speaker 4: they always they don't care. They'll just say some shit.
Speaker 4: A child just stepped out from behind the bush and says,
Speaker 4: tell me, sir, please tell me what is the secret
Speaker 4: of walking across the river? And he says, the secret,
Speaker 4: my child, is you got to know what the rocks are.
Speaker 4: Come on, I didn't know what were you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. If you weren't being on top of it,
Speaker 4: that's all. But yeah, people will exploit you. So you
Speaker 4: have to watch for that. If you're an artist, you
Speaker 4: have to watch for that. I've always done all my
Speaker 4: own stuff. Now I'm building a but I usually book myself,
Speaker 4: you know. I manage myself, you know. And when I
Speaker 4: say God is my manager, that means I only got
Speaker 4: to pay ten percent and he answers every call. You know.
Speaker 4: So so sometimes doing it yourself is the way that works.
Speaker 4: But the go to furthest in this industry, using these
Speaker 4: people to help you, just in the higher eche lines.
Speaker 4: Because about success. It's about access. That's what success about
Speaker 4: in this time. It's access. Who you know? You know?
Speaker 4: Everything's about communications and relationships. Who do you know and
Speaker 4: how do you talk to the people you know? Will
Speaker 4: determine your altitude, how high you rise? You know, so
Speaker 4: you but the snakes are always in the grass. There's
Speaker 4: always the people there with a card and a gimmick.
Speaker 4: All over La. Everybody got a card and a gimmick,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Oh. I can't remember the last time
Speaker 1: I visited LA without someone trying to sell me a screenplay,
Speaker 1: you know. And maybe maybe they're good, But I respect
Speaker 1: the hustle because you're reminding me of that, oh, that
Speaker 1: excellent quote. It's very, very old. It's like thousands years old.
Speaker 1: If you want to travel fast, go alone. If you
Speaker 1: want to travel far, go together, you know. So what
Speaker 1: you're saying about having a team makes it makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. And one thing we really wanted to
Speaker 1: pick your brain about today is the inside, the inner workings,
Speaker 1: getting under the hood of the world of entertainment, because
Speaker 1: you have, in addition to acting and honing your skills
Speaker 1: in this, in the world of entertainment at large, you
Speaker 1: have been in the trenches. You've seen the stuff backstage
Speaker 1: that the audience never sees or understands. So do you
Speaker 1: have any I guess you would call them conspiracies or
Speaker 1: theories in the world of entertainment and in the in
Speaker 1: the backstage, because I know stuff probably gets wild, Like,
Speaker 1: what is something more people need to know about stand
Speaker 1: up comedy for instance?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think if you want to talk
Speaker 4: about what's going on in the back room, you know,
Speaker 4: you just have to be careful because this so many
Speaker 4: clicks seeing Hollywood, everything is clique. Everybody in they group.
Speaker 4: You got to be in they group, or if you're
Speaker 4: not in their circle. It's so funny, it's so funny.
Speaker 4: I had a girlfriend and I want to introduce her
Speaker 4: to a friend of man, and she said, well, you
Speaker 4: can't just bring people in our circle. They got to
Speaker 4: be invited. And I was thinking about the job that
Speaker 4: she does for a living, and I was like, bitch,
Speaker 4: you gotta circle. Ain't nobody trying to get your fucking girl.
Speaker 4: Anybody trying to get in your circle. I was trying
Speaker 4: to introduce you to my friend, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 4: but it's clique out here. It's like if you not
Speaker 4: in their group, certain people only work with that certain
Speaker 4: group of people. They ain't messing with nobody else. Now,
Speaker 4: some of that is conventional wisdom. You know, if you're
Speaker 4: really trying to get your act together. You really want
Speaker 4: to circle yourself with four to five of your best
Speaker 4: or closest friends and associates and keep everybody outside of that.
Speaker 4: That way, there's no damage to the team or the
Speaker 4: company because you know you could trust that handful of people.
Speaker 4: The danger comes in when you start bringing in strangers,
Speaker 4: the people you don't know who have different agendas and
Speaker 4: different ideas and to throw things off. So there is
Speaker 4: a sense of having a small group. But here in Hollywood,
Speaker 4: there's the thing about you have to be in people's
Speaker 4: per their their circle, their group. They have to give
Speaker 4: you their benediction, so so you know if they say okay,
Speaker 4: then then you could work. And I mean, I've mean,
Speaker 4: I can't tell you how many times people have blocked me.
Speaker 4: I've been blocked tons of time from people who I
Speaker 4: thought were my friends. Some of the people are people
Speaker 4: that I brought up in this town and won't give
Speaker 4: me the tame a day, but they'll respect me. The
Speaker 4: same people that won't work with me. If I walk
Speaker 4: in the room, they'll come across the room and shake
Speaker 4: my hand. Hey brother, how you doing. But those same
Speaker 4: people won't book me. Just think about this, how many
Speaker 4: how many tours have you seen me on all you
Speaker 4: stop black comics? And I can stand told to told
Speaker 4: with any comic in America, white or black, and I
Speaker 4: could do an hour faulty, shouty easy with continuous laugh
Speaker 4: or not. I tell a joke that I walk around
Speaker 4: talking shit for eight minutes. Then I tell a joke
Speaker 4: I'm talking about bam bam bam our faulty easy without
Speaker 4: even thinking about it. And you don't never see me
Speaker 4: on these tools or all these top comments. You see
Speaker 4: the same ones going out all the time, but you
Speaker 4: don't see me. I've been doing this not thirty seven years.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about sticking.
Speaker 5: With that because you speak out of school? Is that
Speaker 5: because people think that you're you know, I don't know.
Speaker 5: There's what what is it about? I don't you either
Speaker 5: rub them the wrong way. I don't have an idea.
Speaker 4: And that's the worst part of it is their cowardice.
Speaker 4: The people who don't work with you will never tell
Speaker 4: you why. They don't say nothing to you about it.
Speaker 4: Just all of a sudden, you know you ain't getting
Speaker 4: that call. All of a sudden, you know you ain't
Speaker 4: getting called in on that. Some people, some things people
Speaker 4: call me in for and I don't even go because
Speaker 4: I know which team that is, and they're not going
Speaker 4: to hire me. If I come in, tell mclothes off,
Speaker 4: set myself on fire, you know. So so so you
Speaker 4: just you have to know who you're working with and
Speaker 4: who's not. That's why I'm all down for self reliance.
Speaker 4: Do your own thing. That's what street performance was. So
Speaker 4: wasn't to me. I ain't gotta kiss nobody's ass to
Speaker 4: walk on Venice Beach and tell a joke. You know.
Speaker 4: I couldn't even get in the clubs until I did
Speaker 4: Vennis Beach. I was when I first came here in
Speaker 4: eighty six. Laugh Factory was the only one let me
Speaker 4: come in. Laugh Factories about the size of my dining room.
Speaker 4: In eighty six they didn't even own the upstairs yet,
Speaker 4: they just had the main level. And in eighty six
Speaker 4: I was there, they let me come in on a
Speaker 4: Thursday and do five minutes for free. That was it.
Speaker 4: Comedy store wouldn't let me in an improblem, none of them.
Speaker 4: So I went to Venice Beach and I was holding
Speaker 4: the biggest crowds of Venice Beach and one day Bud
Speaker 4: Friedman who created the im Prov and owned all the
Speaker 4: m problem and rest his heart rest is soul. We
Speaker 4: only lost him about three months ago. I love, love, love,
Speaker 4: love love that man. Bud Freeman and his wife Alex
Speaker 4: saw me out there and they said, I'd like you
Speaker 4: to become part of our family. I mean it just
Speaker 4: then did just invite me to come and tell a Joe.
Speaker 4: He made me part of the Improv family. So all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, I was doing that show on A
Speaker 4: and E called evenings at the Improv. I did like
Speaker 4: eleven of those. I was all the Improv clubs because
Speaker 4: someone saw me who had a way to give me access,
Speaker 4: and they allowed me to have that.
Speaker 5: You know, all right, hold up a second, let's take
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Speaker 5: and then'll be back with more from Michael.
Speaker 4: We're back.
Speaker 3: Let's get into it.
Speaker 5: It's interesting with podcasting and YouTube, which is obviously a
Speaker 5: place you found success in now too. That's kind of
Speaker 5: like the street performing of the Internet in some ways.
Speaker 5: It's sort of democratized by people that kind of form
Speaker 5: around you, and it's unconnected to any clicks. Obviously, there
Speaker 5: are podcast networks and YouTube networks and all that, but
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, the impetus is on
Speaker 5: you to do your thing and then see what happens.
Speaker 5: And I'm interested if you see that parallel and how
Speaker 5: that's worked out for you.
Speaker 4: To see that parallel. And people have been telling me
Speaker 4: for years, Michael, you'd be so good on podcasts, You'll
Speaker 4: be on pot and I never knew how to do it.
Speaker 4: And now I'm able to do it, and I'm having
Speaker 4: the time in my life doing it. I'm having great
Speaker 4: conversations with people. But once again, was also about to access.
Speaker 4: It was because i Heeart believed in me and gave
Speaker 4: me this opportunity. Then I'm able to do this podcast.
Speaker 4: I would never on my own just said Okay, I'm
Speaker 4: just gonna set this up in my house, do a podcast,
Speaker 4: put it where if I want to know, I wanted
Speaker 4: to be with some of the top folks that I'm
Speaker 4: going to podcasts. I mean, all I want to do
Speaker 4: is beat Bill Burr. If I could just, you know,
Speaker 4: just like Remelion, I would love to have him on
Speaker 4: my show. But and he knows me. He knows me
Speaker 4: too because I called him. Some other people that had
Speaker 4: me come in for a podcast for their company. I
Speaker 4: came in to meet them and they weren't interested, and
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, fane, but at least I got
Speaker 4: a chance to come say hello to them. But when
Speaker 4: I went in, I called Joe Rogan. I said, Joe,
Speaker 4: what I do when I go in this interview? He said, Man,
Speaker 4: just go in and be you. And at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, he said, you don't need nobody else anyway.
Speaker 4: You could do it on your own. And I thought,
Speaker 4: that's cool, and that's a great idea. Boy, I'm a
Speaker 4: lazy at Lamma Bean and I wasn't about to do
Speaker 4: it on my own. And plus I'm one seven projects already,
Speaker 4: So I'm like, how do I figure out how the podcast?
Speaker 4: How do I do it right? How do I compete?
Speaker 4: All those thoughts? But I have like like two of
Speaker 4: the greatest attorneys in the world, and Ricky Anderson is
Speaker 4: the one who put the deal together for me, and
Speaker 4: he has several clients as well, and he was shopping
Speaker 4: for me. Man, you know, the other people came to me.
Speaker 4: Who's got a somebody's got a free radio, some radio.
Speaker 4: But they had offered me to come over there, but
Speaker 4: they don't offer no money. Well, shit. If I ain't
Speaker 4: gonna make no money. I could make no money at
Speaker 4: my damn house. Why I gotta com to not make money,
Speaker 4: you know? And So the thing is, I think being
Speaker 4: self sufficient is important and entertainment you should do stuff
Speaker 4: that you could pay yourself. See, I'm on stage every
Speaker 4: night saying can you tell that I love what I do? Now,
Speaker 4: keep in mind, I'm an addict. Okay, I'm a crackhead.
Speaker 4: So I did crack for twenty three years, and as
Speaker 4: of this March first, I have twelve years of pure sobriety.
Speaker 4: So I've been here doing comedy, film and everything fucked up.
Speaker 4: You hear me. I was rimped, but nobody knew it.
Speaker 4: I never went to work, no shit like that. I
Speaker 4: never did that. But during that rain of being high,
Speaker 4: I did so many shows and so many films and
Speaker 4: nobody even knew it. But my system knew it. The
Speaker 4: universe knew it. So I wasn't able to travel at
Speaker 4: the speed of light like I could of if I
Speaker 4: stayed clear eyed and focused and stayed on my work.
Speaker 4: I started with the Steve Harveys of them, I started
Speaker 4: with Cedric Entertainer DL Hughley. Them cats used to look
Speaker 4: up to me. All them guys are rich enough to
Speaker 4: pee cream and me. I'm still a day player. But
Speaker 4: that's okay. I'm happy with it because I own myself.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I own Michael mother bunkaya.
Speaker 4: All this is, man, I don't owe nobody nothing. I
Speaker 4: don't do no harm to nobody on purpose. All I
Speaker 4: do is perform. But I'm performing everywhere. I'm killing the game,
Speaker 4: you know, and the thing she is I ain't beholding
Speaker 4: to nobody. I don't have to go to none of
Speaker 4: those cats and say, man, I made it because of you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because y'all ain't brought me. I brought me and keep
Speaker 4: on bringing me, you know. And that's why I want
Speaker 4: to send that message to other people, because there's a
Speaker 4: lot of people who turn around and walk away. They
Speaker 4: don't get enough assistance. You know, if somebody don't help them,
Speaker 4: you know, you don't need Look, everything you need to do,
Speaker 4: whatever you want to do on this planet is encoded
Speaker 4: within you. You already have all the answers. It's just
Speaker 4: a matter of you having the courage to go inside
Speaker 4: to find that thing and then work towards it a
Speaker 4: little bit every day. Always talk about a system called
Speaker 4: a fifteen minute of a day system. If you're willing
Speaker 4: to spend fifteen minutes a day on something you really
Speaker 4: want and within three to six months you'll have it
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes a day. And I'm just talking about Monday
Speaker 4: and Friday. Monday to Friday, you could take Saturday and Sunday, oh,
Speaker 4: twenty four hours in a day if you spend fifteen.
Speaker 4: If you weigh nine hundred pounds and you want to
Speaker 4: be a ballerina, do fifteen minutes a day, fifteen minutes
Speaker 4: a day and that on that topic, you may be
Speaker 4: spent fifteen minutes looking at plus size women dance. You
Speaker 4: may spend fifteen minutes at a bar and your a
Speaker 4: house trying to do a dance bar. You may be
Speaker 4: doing the five steps, practicing them and talking about it
Speaker 4: and talking about it. Because see, the universe wants to
Speaker 4: know you commit to anything. It opens doors that you
Speaker 4: didn't even were there. So what happens not everybody you
Speaker 4: talk to you tell them I'm gonna be a ballerino.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be a ballerina. Fifteen minutes a day you
Speaker 4: working on it. You might spend fifteen minutes a day
Speaker 4: just watching other ballerinas. But I guarantee you, by that
Speaker 4: third month you would have done so many things towards
Speaker 4: it and generated so much energy. Your phone gonna ring,
Speaker 4: You're gonna pick the phone up. Hey, hey, Charlotte, we're
Speaker 4: putting together a concert with plus sized women and we
Speaker 4: heard did you are trying to get in the game.
Speaker 4: You'll be like, holy shit, how did that happen to me?
Speaker 4: It happened to you because it happened for you, and
Speaker 4: it happened for you because you worked towards it fifteen
Speaker 4: minutes towards it every day. I swear you're coming through you. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're conduit for it.
Speaker 5: We've all seen seen elements of that. I just wanted
Speaker 5: to asked really quickly about the addiction side of things.
Speaker 5: I mean, was that something that you felt like, I mean,
Speaker 5: I know that may have happened before. It seems maybe
Speaker 5: that was all kind of coinciding. But was that something
Speaker 5: that you used to be able to just be on
Speaker 5: all ways, go go go or were they separate? And
Speaker 5: then how are you able to get rid of that?
Speaker 5: How are you able to like, you know, replace that
Speaker 5: energy that you were spending on that which you know,
Speaker 5: it makes you feel like you have energy, but it's
Speaker 5: actually sapping you have energy. So how did you kind of,
Speaker 5: you know, reconcile that that was kind of.
Speaker 4: The start of all of it when you said it's
Speaker 4: actually sapping energy. You actually think you're getting something, you
Speaker 4: think you're going somewhere, and it's really draining you. You know.
Speaker 4: I'm doing a one man play in one hundred Cities
Speaker 4: called Michael Cawley's Mama. If you like your Mama, you're
Speaker 4: gonna love his play. And the play is an hour
Speaker 4: and a half place and I play seventeen characters. So
Speaker 4: I played my mother, and my father, and my four
Speaker 4: big brothers and me at four ages. The alcohol is
Speaker 4: crack heads and church ladies did run my community. And
Speaker 4: I get to tell that story about the addiction. But
Speaker 4: I get into addiction. I got into drugs called it
Speaker 4: was just fun. But I've always been responsible when it
Speaker 4: comes to work. So I never went to work high.
Speaker 4: I never would never go on the stage high. I
Speaker 4: wouldn't do nothing. I respect what it is I do,
Speaker 4: but like to say about to say earlier, I tell
Speaker 4: people on stage, if our job, our job is to
Speaker 4: train the universe to pay us to do what we
Speaker 4: love to do. See, because if you're just doing what
Speaker 4: you love to do, I swear the Bible says that
Speaker 4: your gift will make a way for you. So if
Speaker 4: you just doing what you love to do with all
Speaker 4: your heart and all your passion, all the elements you
Speaker 4: need for to succeed will come to your door. It
Speaker 4: will walk up to you. You won't even have to
Speaker 4: go look for it. So in doing this play I
Speaker 4: talk about all of it. The addiction for me is
Speaker 4: I was just party man. I used to do freebase
Speaker 4: before they even knew of a thing called crack. I
Speaker 4: used to sell freebase in Chicago. Did that made me
Speaker 4: want to taste cocaine? I liked it. I liked it
Speaker 4: a lot. But then I wasn't really messing with it
Speaker 4: till I got to the Venice. Now I get to
Speaker 4: Venice and all so many people on Venice were getting high.
Speaker 4: I started trying to get high, and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: You know, I had a lot of money and I
Speaker 4: didn't owe nobody nothing. It was Robin Williams who said,
Speaker 4: cocaine it's God's way of saying, you making too much
Speaker 4: goddamn money. You know, and so I have all this money.
Speaker 4: I leave in the beach with a sack of money.
Speaker 4: I ain't owe nobody nothing. And one day I said,
Speaker 4: I wonder if I take this rock and I drop
Speaker 4: it on this hot piece of glass. What happened? Okay?
Speaker 4: And then twenty three years later, my AS's trying to
Speaker 4: dig my way out the whole. Now parts of me
Speaker 4: say that maybe that's why I'm penalized. Maybe some of
Speaker 4: the people who don't work with me have having in
Speaker 4: the back of their man well he's crackhead, or he
Speaker 4: was a crackhead, or maybe during my crackhead days, people
Speaker 4: may have found me arrogant. I probably said things that
Speaker 4: I shouldn't have said the way I said them, or whatever.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I know one thing in my life.
Speaker 4: I've never never deliberately gone out of my way to
Speaker 4: hurt anybody, to step on nobody. I won't step on
Speaker 4: you to get the job. I don't want the job
Speaker 4: so bad that I'm to fuck you over so I
Speaker 4: can get an extra five dollars. I'm just not going
Speaker 4: to do that. I've just been living my life the
Speaker 4: way I want to live it, unfolding unto my greater self,
Speaker 4: and I don't always get it right. She is. Sometime
Speaker 4: I fuck it.
Speaker 3: Up, but I would love I want to talk about
Speaker 3: one of those. I want to talk about one of
Speaker 3: those times. I saw it. Not long ago, I don't know,
Speaker 3: it was years. I think at this point, you were
Speaker 3: in Philadelphia, you were in a park, a public.
Speaker 2: You go.
Speaker 4: First of all, let me say the name Cigar Williams.
Speaker 4: Matter fact, let me say that Cigar Williams can can
Speaker 4: kiss my ass. Let me just say that he's my
Speaker 4: great friend in Philadelphia. His name is Cigar Williams. He
Speaker 4: takes me to buy me a cigar of smoke, and
Speaker 4: she knew some shit was up because he didn't get
Speaker 4: one for him. And we take the cigar. We like
Speaker 4: the ciga. We go back into the park U Writtenhouse
Speaker 4: Square in Philadelphia, which is the rich park. All the
Speaker 4: rich white people leave it, you know, black people even
Speaker 4: in that park. He might see one every nine and then,
Speaker 4: but it's always six or eight police patrolling a damn park, okay,
Speaker 4: because they got money like that. So I'm sending this
Speaker 4: smoking a cigar with my partner, and we see a
Speaker 4: cop harassing this young brother who has uh he's autistic,
Speaker 4: and he was handling a guy paper saying he's autistic,
Speaker 4: and the guy's writing him a ticket. So I'm staying
Speaker 4: with cigarette. William we laughing at the police. You know,
Speaker 4: he's a bicycle cop, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 4: this way he get all his power. He's sitting there
Speaker 4: right now home an innocent person a ticket. Well, he
Speaker 4: saw us laughing at him and made a bee line
Speaker 4: over to me. He said, you can't smoke in his park,
Speaker 4: and I said, cool, I can put it out or
Speaker 4: I could walk it out the park. He said, you
Speaker 4: put it out and give me your ID. So he
Speaker 4: takes my ID. Right, So while he's got my ID,
Speaker 4: he's taking twenty minutes to run my ID. You know,
Speaker 4: doesn't take no damn twenty minutes run ID. That means
Speaker 4: you running a man's background. He's trying to see if
Speaker 4: I got warrants in some way he can do more
Speaker 4: to me. Not backup. Then showed up another double meat
Speaker 4: eating fat ass cop. Did better have a pistol because
Speaker 4: he ain't gonna never catch nobody. He's better throw a
Speaker 4: stick at you. He can't catch it, so now his
Speaker 4: mutton Jeff both toiling over riding a ticket for me smoking.
Speaker 4: So I held my phone up and filmed the whole
Speaker 4: thing on FaceTime live, and I dogged him. I talked
Speaker 4: about him like a dog. I said, oh man, he
Speaker 4: just loved check. The requisition order went in for the pistols,
Speaker 4: but they won't come in till Thursday. You know what
Speaker 4: I mean. I'm just and the thing that made people
Speaker 4: love it because one point seven million people saw that.
Speaker 4: The thing that made people love it is I showed
Speaker 4: him how to deal with the police when they came
Speaker 4: to a black man wrong, but how to do it
Speaker 4: in a way that's respectful enough that he don't have
Speaker 4: to beat you up and shoot you an ass and
Speaker 4: taste you. You know. But some of us forget when
Speaker 4: the police show up that they're in charge. We forget
Speaker 4: that shit. Fuck you pull me over for naw. Okay,
Speaker 4: now you're gonna have to do the Ridney King dance. Okay,
Speaker 4: you can't do that. What you need to do is
Speaker 4: calm the fuck now when the police come, as long
Speaker 4: as I'm talking calmly, I'm not going off. I'm not
Speaker 4: reaching for sudden suddenly. They can't do shit to me,
Speaker 4: but talk to me, and I talked about him. I
Speaker 4: talked about his ass so bad. Oh lord. Now, once
Speaker 4: I got through and he gave me my ticket. Wait,
Speaker 4: and while I'm talking to him and he's writing his ticket,
Speaker 4: a white guy walks through, brazenly smoking a cigarette. By now,
Speaker 4: it's thirty people standing around watching this. So I pointed
Speaker 4: at him when I say, officer, look at the white
Speaker 4: guy smoking. He said, I'm too busy to look up,
Speaker 4: and he just kept writing. Right. So, because I left,
Speaker 4: and I didn't do what a lot of a lot
Speaker 4: of black people do a lot of black people. We
Speaker 4: get mad and we go talk about you motherfuckers behind
Speaker 4: your back. Yeah, we smoke a fat one man, I'm
Speaker 4: mother fuckers. Shit did that? No, I'm not doing it
Speaker 4: that well. I'm doing the white white folk with white
Speaker 4: folks report shit. They report that everybody do some shit.
Speaker 3: Talk.
Speaker 4: A little white lady, she the fuck happened. She's calling
Speaker 4: everybody in the community. She's gonna talk to the alderman,
Speaker 4: the mayor, the chief police. That's what I did. I
Speaker 4: went directly to the police station. I went right to
Speaker 4: the police station. I filed to report against that cops.
Speaker 4: I called the chief of police. We said, let us,
Speaker 4: the chief police, iad eternal affairs. We wrote everybody, and
Speaker 4: on top of one point seven million people, being on
Speaker 4: top wrote me a ticket for one hundred dollars. You
Speaker 4: can't even see the sign in the park. We pointed out,
Speaker 4: you got to go fan the sand that says no smoking.
Speaker 4: One hundred dollars. They threw that ticket away and apology
Speaker 4: as brother. That's what happened. And that's the power of entertainment.
Speaker 4: I know, I ain't afraid when I talk to you.
Speaker 4: It's just another presentation. You know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 4: that's why I keep saying that if you're out here
Speaker 4: as an artist, try to be self sufficient because you
Speaker 4: don't want to be a slave to nobody. You don't
Speaker 4: want to be a slave to a record label, to
Speaker 4: a producer, to anybody you want to be. You want
Speaker 4: to own yourself, you know. And that's what I do.
Speaker 4: Is so when you ask the question, why is there
Speaker 4: so many folks to how many all those top guys
Speaker 4: I haven't worked with, Well, I say, once again, everybody
Speaker 4: work with everybody. They all know each other, they drink together,
Speaker 4: they hang out together. So if one of them won't
Speaker 4: work with me, the other one won't. And I'm not
Speaker 4: saying that I'm on a black list, but I think
Speaker 4: it's a black black list out there that my name
Speaker 4: is pretty high on. You know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 4: it's all kind of folks of my hue who are
Speaker 4: doing all kinds of things and won't even ain't never
Speaker 4: brought me in. I can't audition for it or nothing.
Speaker 4: But look, be clear, I'm mentioning this because we're discussing it.
Speaker 4: I ain't complained about it because I don't give a damn.
Speaker 4: I tell you right now, but fuck you ain't got
Speaker 4: the higher my ass because God gave me Venice Beach.
Speaker 4: I know I can always go to the beach and
Speaker 4: makes some motherfucking month. I ain't gotta kiss nobody's ass
Speaker 4: to ever get I'm not just anyway. I can tell
Speaker 4: Joe anyway, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so there, Yeah, there's so many things that
Speaker 1: I think we can unpack here. And I know that Noel,
Speaker 1: Matt and I or we've got I think we all
Speaker 1: have a bunch of questions directions we're going to go
Speaker 1: down here. So let me just give like a laundry
Speaker 1: list one of the one of the things we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to get back to is the war on drugs
Speaker 1: just in the micro and a macrocosmic scale before we
Speaker 1: do that, Just as an opening to that door, Michael,
Speaker 1: I got to ask this, some of our audience always
Speaker 1: wants to hear whenever we have a guest of your
Speaker 1: caliber on the show. Are there any quote unquote conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories that you believe? And if so, which ones talking?
Speaker 4: Like JFK I Love Snowfall. That's a series that John
Speaker 4: Singleton created FX Television, and it tells the story about
Speaker 4: Ricky Ross. Now you know there's a rappers, but there
Speaker 4: was a real named Freeway and he's going to do
Speaker 4: my podcast Freeway Ricky Ross. Yes, and he's already said
Speaker 4: he's doing the podcast. So he ran crack cocaine syndicate
Speaker 4: all up and down the one ten Freeway in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: Why that's why they called him Freeway Ricky Ross. And
Speaker 4: it's really his story, and it was who's that food? God?
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of his name doing Nixon era
Speaker 4: had a ball head. It wasn't j Lord and Giddy.
Speaker 4: It wasn't it wasn't Lyddy, it wasn't Jay Gordon Lyddy.
Speaker 4: It was somebody like him. He was c i A
Speaker 4: and they ran operations to fight the contrast. So what
Speaker 4: they did is cracked cocaine into our community, gave it
Speaker 4: to Ricky Ross in exchange for money so that they
Speaker 4: can go back and buy guns to fight the contras.
Speaker 4: And he ends up going to prison for it for
Speaker 4: the rest of his life. Ricky Ross and the guy
Speaker 4: who set it up never did a day, not a
Speaker 4: day in jail, and that's how they finally turned it
Speaker 4: around and he got back out, and he tells this
Speaker 4: story everywhere, and Snowfall is based on that, and I
Speaker 4: absolutely know that that is the truth. You want to
Speaker 4: talk about a conspiracy, you may think of it as
Speaker 4: they as a theory, but it ain't no theory. The
Speaker 4: government is the reason that black people all fucked up
Speaker 4: with crack cocaine because we wasn't even know crack then
Speaker 4: they just had blow. And he brought all that shit
Speaker 4: and gave it to our community. Who would just give
Speaker 4: it to the black people, let them just sell and
Speaker 4: fuck themselves up, But you bring us back our portion
Speaker 4: so we can get guns.
Speaker 1: You know, CIA Air America they called it. I think
Speaker 1: for our freedom or or something like that. It's interesting
Speaker 1: you mentioned that we were doing a live show a
Speaker 1: while a while back. I can't remember where our talk was,
Speaker 1: and one of the things that we pointed out, we're
Speaker 1: talking to people about the war on drugs, which are
Speaker 1: pal Clayton English refers to as a war on people or.
Speaker 4: War for control.
Speaker 1: One thing that really stood out was, you know, look
Speaker 1: around areas that have been absolutely devastated by a crack
Speaker 1: cocaine and now by fintanahl and hillbilly heroin and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. There is not a single coca field that
Speaker 1: they have access to. They're not growing it, they're not
Speaker 1: making ak's out there. There's not a single poppy field
Speaker 1: out there, you know.
Speaker 4: So we don't have wear planes, we don't have access
Speaker 4: to planes to bring that shit in here, none of that.
Speaker 4: But now if you bring it to us and sit
Speaker 4: on our doorstep and we think we could chop it up,
Speaker 4: cook it up and sell it, what respect we're gonna do,
Speaker 4: you know, especially if you put us in a situation
Speaker 4: where we're impoverished, where society has set us up, well,
Speaker 4: we can't get the job. We we gotta fight for stuff.
Speaker 4: And here's an opportunity to make money that you couldn't
Speaker 4: even imagine. You gotta take a chance. Man, got to
Speaker 4: roll the dice. In some cases, you got to roll
Speaker 4: the dice. But I can't wait to talk to Rick
Speaker 4: Ross my show about that in detail. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think the government had a conspiracy against our society,
Speaker 4: the black portion of our society, and said, fuck it,
Speaker 4: get him this dope, y'all bring us back this money
Speaker 4: for the guns, you know, and that you could always
Speaker 4: in everything you always foulow the money. I don't get
Speaker 4: fuck what do you follow the money and you'll see
Speaker 4: what's with Trump followed them my fucking money. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: gonna see what's going down.
Speaker 3: It's so weird with government money sometimes like that, the
Speaker 3: things that they refer to as black budgets that are
Speaker 3: never on books anywhere. Right, So you you know that
Speaker 3: the government's asked for eight hundred and fifty billion dollars,
Speaker 3: but there's fifty billion of that or one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty billion of that that nobody ever knows where it
Speaker 3: went to, even the people who run the country. Right,
Speaker 3: the people who are in Congress have no idea, which
Speaker 3: is really just really creepy when.
Speaker 4: Found this list where the government had paid like seventeen
Speaker 4: thousand dollars for a fucking hammer. You know. It was like,
Speaker 4: what kind of accounting are they doing? Boxer screws two
Speaker 4: hundred and fourteen thousand, What we're in a rock?
Speaker 3: Iraq? They lost, well, how many billions of dollars?
Speaker 4: Man's a palette.
Speaker 1: It was a palette of a billion in cash and
Speaker 1: three cash.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, we can't find it.
Speaker 4: So.
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Speaker 3: So I was scrolling on Instagram the other day and
Speaker 3: I saw this comedian. He had a younger comedian. He'd
Speaker 3: pulled a little piece that he was doing on stage
Speaker 3: and it was a whole It was a joke that
Speaker 3: he set up pretty well on. The concept is blackface
Speaker 3: and how's wrong. It's absolutely wrong, nobody can ever do that.
Speaker 3: And then he talks about, well, what if you're in
Speaker 3: Special Forces and you've got a white guy on your
Speaker 3: team and you need to put a black face on him?
Speaker 3: And I thought about hot shots part due there's a
Speaker 3: visual joke in there that's.
Speaker 4: Just if you're heard it. Yeah, that's such a funny part.
Speaker 4: And we're all sitting there, everybody putting black face on
Speaker 4: their makeup, put on black makeup so they can go
Speaker 4: and fight in the water, putting on chemouflood. Then they
Speaker 4: passed me the black and I just look at it.
Speaker 4: It's giving a look, Matt.
Speaker 5: That brings up a really good point. What do you
Speaker 5: think things are off limits in comedy if you do
Speaker 5: it right and it's funny.
Speaker 4: I don't think it should be. I mean, I know
Speaker 4: people are always worried about being canceled. I don't worry
Speaker 4: about being canceled because I've never been on so uh
Speaker 4: it was so so I don't worry about that. But
Speaker 4: like people think, like people say stuff and stuff that's
Speaker 4: like it's not they'll say they'll accuse you something this
Speaker 4: like I've been accused of fat shaming for telling this joke, okay,
Speaker 4: And I don't think it's fat shaming okay, And it
Speaker 4: was the actual happenings. Fat lady was on a bike.
Speaker 4: She was a fat lady woman. Say is she a
Speaker 4: fat ad? What you want to call a big bone bro?
Speaker 4: I don't know. She was a fat woman. She was
Speaker 4: on the bike, she was paddling her ass off, and
Speaker 4: so I yelled out, cow right, She turned towards me,
Speaker 4: gave me the finger, turned back around, and ran right
Speaker 4: into the fucking cow.
Speaker 1: Well, sometimes people might project their own things, you know.
Speaker 1: I think that's tell you guys very well, right, and
Speaker 1: sometimes people project their own things. It's true. And I
Speaker 1: really love to know your question about the idea of
Speaker 1: boundaries or what can or cannot be addressed. We know
Speaker 1: that comedy is a tremendously powerful social force. It enables
Speaker 1: us to speak directly to things that you know might
Speaker 1: get you, might get you in some deep water in
Speaker 1: some other countries or another contexts. What's that old saying
Speaker 1: only only the jester can talk shit.
Speaker 4: To the king. Uh.
Speaker 1: This exploration takes us in a couple of other other directions.
Speaker 1: The idea that now the CIA never officially admitted that
Speaker 1: they created in large part, the epidemic of drug use
Speaker 1: in the United States, And you point out that there
Speaker 1: are people who have a lot of evidence against them
Speaker 1: that have never gotten in trouble. Some of those people
Speaker 1: very well are alive today. What would you say, What
Speaker 1: observations do you have about you know, the idea that
Speaker 1: there's a shadowy group at the top, right that there's
Speaker 1: like an inner circle there. I say an illuminati. You
Speaker 1: hear that all the time, right, like so and so
Speaker 1: secretly runs the world. I don't think there's something.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's the Illuminati, but there's something.
Speaker 4: You know. They're small kebles of people who have great,
Speaker 4: great power that we don't even know exists. Even if
Speaker 4: you just start with the with the dark Web, there's
Speaker 4: so much stuff going on around our society that we
Speaker 4: have no access to. And it's not just going around us.
Speaker 4: It's going on and happening to us. And we don't
Speaker 4: even see that kind of stuff because they're doing all
Speaker 4: the stuff.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: And if y'all think the government runs the government, y'all
Speaker 4: crazy as fuck. You know, I tell you right now,
Speaker 4: the pharma has more power over this world than anybody.
Speaker 4: The pharmacies. Look, seventy two percent of all commercials is
Speaker 4: about a medicine. It's about some pharmaceutical shit, some shit
Speaker 4: you didn't even know you need it until they told you.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 4: First they tell you they gonna create the cure, then
Speaker 4: they come tell you get it. Do you have ibs
Speaker 4: irritable bowel syndrome. That's itchy booty syndrome. How come we
Speaker 4: can't scratch our ass. We used to just scratch our
Speaker 4: ass maybe take a quick wash, but now your ass
Speaker 4: can't itch un less you take this pill because it's
Speaker 4: been drummed into your head or you got ibs. You
Speaker 4: don't want that, you know. I mean, I'm hearing shit
Speaker 4: every day that could be going on with your body
Speaker 4: I never even heard of before. I mean, they just
Speaker 4: make the shit.
Speaker 1: Up, Like halatosis was invented by by mouthwashed companies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just bad brand. Then they make the shit
Speaker 4: up and I List three got sixteen billion dollars they
Speaker 4: made this year. Do you talk about big pharma though?
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, let's let us talk about another
Speaker 5: community that was impacted by a shadowy group that wasn't
Speaker 5: even that shadow We didn't even try that hard to
Speaker 5: cover their tracks, like the opioid epidemic, you know, which
Speaker 5: largely affected impoverished white communities. You know, it's another group
Speaker 5: that is to some degree left behind. And I'm not
Speaker 5: trying to be like, don't forget about us white people,
Speaker 5: but I mean it is a thing. There are people
Speaker 5: that live in certain part flyover states or whatever that
Speaker 5: are treated in a very similar way to the way
Speaker 5: the black community was treated as throwaway. You know, I
Speaker 5: don't know. I just interested in your thoughts there. And
Speaker 5: we know big Pharma did that. We know they did it.
Speaker 4: You know, well, yeah, big Farma is just I mean, really,
Speaker 4: I think the government scaled a big pharm. I think
Speaker 4: everybody scared a big farma because they got all the money.
Speaker 4: Once again, follow the money. It all comes to that.
Speaker 4: We got appeel for it. We don't fix it. The
Speaker 4: real peel is life, real peel is God. The real
Speaker 4: way to fix something is to understand you're already complete
Speaker 4: and compact the way you was built. You come with
Speaker 4: all your accessories. You're already ready to go. But if
Speaker 4: we're in a society, keep teaching, teaching you you need
Speaker 4: this or you need that for you to be happy,
Speaker 4: or you have to have this to be happy. You
Speaker 4: have everything you need already to be happy, man, And
Speaker 4: the really good stuff don't cost money, you know. I'd
Speaker 4: like the guy was talking to the hooker and he said,
Speaker 4: do you believe in free love? And she said, yeah,
Speaker 4: I believe in free love? And they had sex and
Speaker 4: when it's over. She said fitted dollars, and he said,
Speaker 4: fitty dollars. I thought you said you believe in free love.
Speaker 4: He said, I believe in free love. Was free the sex,
Speaker 4: That's all I'm yeah, so yeah, So it's it's a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff out there, man, I mean, I'm scared
Speaker 4: to even look like I wouldn't even look on the
Speaker 4: on the black web. If you see the kind of
Speaker 4: stuff that's happening in and around us, you'll be very frightened.
Speaker 3: Well, Michael, I want I want to ask you something.
Speaker 3: It's a little strange. There's been a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: mainstream news, including coming from the United States Navy, about
Speaker 3: this stuff called UAP. We used to know it as UFOs.
Speaker 3: Have you Have you seen any of that news?
Speaker 4: Does that?
Speaker 3: Does that interest you at all? The concept of maybe
Speaker 3: either aliens or some kind of super sophisticated military tech.
Speaker 4: No. I First, I do believe that there's UFOs. I
Speaker 4: do believe that there's aliens. I do believe that there's
Speaker 4: something out there greater than us. I pray that there
Speaker 4: is something smarter than humans, Please Jesus, please, So I
Speaker 4: really think, I mean, I'm still trying to figure out
Speaker 4: although black people and I'm sorry, y'all white could y'all
Speaker 4: might want to won't agree with that. But black people,
Speaker 4: to me the greatest people in the whole wide world,
Speaker 4: and since the beginning of time they've been building shit.
Speaker 4: But I still haven't figured out how we built the pyramids.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I am sorry. I think we had help
Speaker 4: from aliens on that one, and also called them all
Speaker 4: the mathematical equations that that made the building of them
Speaker 4: is the building of the pyramids is set up to
Speaker 4: fix astrology, to align up with the stars and with
Speaker 4: the universe. I just don't know, way, way, way, way
Speaker 4: way back then that we were thinking on those levels
Speaker 4: on Earth.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, because they didn't have TV sucking
Speaker 1: up their attention, they didn't have like, they had much
Speaker 1: more focus, went much more connected the natural world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean definitely.
Speaker 1: Most eerrors of history. I agree there. This is where okay,
Speaker 1: I think we play Maybe this is how we we
Speaker 1: start to end this show. We want to we want
Speaker 1: to save the hook.
Speaker 6: Right as you were telling us earlier in the show,
Speaker 6: how long is that you say that it's actually been
Speaker 6: almost solid almost be an hour.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna get off. You're gonna get off the episode.
Speaker 1: The first thing you're gonna do talk to Malika and say, God,
Speaker 1: those guys just don't shut up.
Speaker 4: So much.
Speaker 5: And well, it's that's what you'r We like. We like
Speaker 5: asking you questions, we like getting your perspective. All the
Speaker 5: stuff is that we think about every day, and it's
Speaker 5: really cool to have people involved in the conversation that
Speaker 5: are don't have some acts to grind, don't have some
Speaker 5: agenda you with just.
Speaker 4: People that have feelings and like your observation and observation.
Speaker 4: So that's what interests us.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I have a quick list. You want to
Speaker 3: end it.
Speaker 4: You wanted to.
Speaker 1: Conspiracy Well I wanted to do conspiracy quiz.
Speaker 4: Okay, like we did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we I think we missed it with aliens,
Speaker 1: but we've got to got to take there. So the
Speaker 1: way we play this game, Michael, is we will just
Speaker 1: like kind of rapid fire, We'll ask you just a
Speaker 1: bare bones, a basic couple of conspiracy theories, and you
Speaker 1: let us know whether you buy them all the way,
Speaker 1: whether you think it's you know, absolute hogwash, or something
Speaker 1: might be true about it. So let's start with one
Speaker 1: of the famous ones. Staying on aliens, staying on extraterrestrials.
Speaker 1: Do you think the US government or any other world
Speaker 1: government actually found a piece of like a spaceship.
Speaker 4: And we got them. We got them here. Definitely, I
Speaker 4: guarantee you that they got them the area fifty one.
Speaker 4: That shit is real. And I'm gonna tell you. Out
Speaker 4: here in California, I see mountains that I swear to
Speaker 4: this activity in those mountains when I come down to
Speaker 4: fourteenth because I'm right off the fourteen Freeway, which is
Speaker 4: the Palmdale near Lancaster, so the worst name is near us.
Speaker 4: The stealth Bomber is like maybe four miles from my house,
Speaker 4: and sometimes you can hear what sounds like the earth
Speaker 4: is moving. You just hear, you know what the hell
Speaker 4: it is, and it'll just be dark and go past.
Speaker 4: I mean, so I think that they got a bunch
Speaker 4: of stuff in the mountains here. I think they have
Speaker 4: underground stuff. And I definitely think that aliens have been
Speaker 4: here and got trapped here. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 4: any aliens came here and lived except the ones that
Speaker 4: are living and playing like the humans. But I don't
Speaker 4: I think that we have had alien activity here. I
Speaker 4: think alien vehicle parts are some way here to be found. Yes, absolutely, Michael.
Speaker 4: Did you see the film? Nope?
Speaker 5: No, no, ohat watching Nope. It's a it's a real
Speaker 5: good description of kind of what you're described. It's a
Speaker 5: good like dramatization in a really wonderfully paced did you know,
Speaker 5: funny yet intense science fiction film you know from Jordan
Speaker 5: Peele and it's it's absolutely phenomenal and it's all about
Speaker 5: like what's going on above ground, like in the clouds
Speaker 5: or in the mountains, you know, and like what does
Speaker 5: that feel?
Speaker 4: I think you'd get a kick because you said all
Speaker 4: of that. I'm gonna watch it now. I hadn't had
Speaker 4: a chance to see it, but I'm gonna take time
Speaker 4: to watch very interesting film.
Speaker 1: Let's go to uh, let's go to another one. Let's
Speaker 1: see like one or two more conspiracy criz with Michael
Speaker 1: Collier running ship.
Speaker 4: I thought we did.
Speaker 3: I've got one for you. Have you ever heard anyone
Speaker 3: talking about fluoride in the water.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure no, except for okay, I know chlorine
Speaker 4: in the water, but I don't know about fluoride the water.
Speaker 4: What's that?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, there's so there is fluoride in most of
Speaker 3: America's public drinking water sources. And it goes back a
Speaker 3: long time ago when it was decided that there needs
Speaker 3: to be something a couple of different chemicals in the
Speaker 3: water to clean it just a little bit as it
Speaker 3: goes through the you know, the processing plants right the waste.
Speaker 4: But they didn't have a flint Michigan all right now.
Speaker 5: But but Matt, isn't the idea also that it's like
Speaker 5: it's good for your teeth. But it's also something that
Speaker 5: some people have issues with, like is it or is
Speaker 5: it something else?
Speaker 4: Is it.
Speaker 1: Calcifying glass?
Speaker 3: The the scientific theory behind it and the reasoning behind
Speaker 3: it is that consuming fluoride does strengthen teeth, but strengthened
Speaker 3: that teeth strengthening is when fluorides apply directly to your teeth.
Speaker 3: And how often are you just swishing water around all
Speaker 3: the time except for if you're washing your mouth out right.
Speaker 3: The concept is if you ingest enough of that fluoride,
Speaker 3: it potentially has some subduing of the mind effects because
Speaker 3: it was used in it was used by several groups,
Speaker 3: including the Nazis, to subdue people in the past.
Speaker 4: I mean that's true but are you supposed to ingest it? Though?
Speaker 4: Are you supposed to drink it? Well? I mean they
Speaker 4: say it's fine, you know, I mean, you know, that's
Speaker 4: like toothpaste. If you brush the teeth of two paste,
Speaker 4: you're not supposed to because you know what's in it
Speaker 4: and spit it out.
Speaker 5: But but man, man, wouldn't wouldn't the government say that
Speaker 5: the amount that's in the water supply, which is acknowledged,
Speaker 5: is safe to consume.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course you'd have to be consistently drinking water
Speaker 3: and peeing it out all day long.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, I know, I know it's bullshit. If they
Speaker 4: said it, they've had It's okay.
Speaker 1: We're seeing a lot of We're seeing a lot of
Speaker 1: I think we're speaking a lot of the same languages here.
Speaker 1: The idea of self reliance, it's very important to us. Uh,
Speaker 1: the concept of yeah, we maybe we shouldn't automatically trust
Speaker 1: people in power. Right, Uh, let's see another. Okay, corrupts and.
Speaker 4: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But I just think that we
Speaker 4: as a people, uh, we fought everybody black and white.
Speaker 4: Even though we still fight each other as black and white.
Speaker 4: The bold of us will hear both black and white
Speaker 4: fault to have the kind of country where people do
Speaker 4: have decency, where there is an order, there's a hierarchy,
Speaker 4: and there's an understanding of the direction we're going, and
Speaker 4: we will all work towards that. That is the understanding.
Speaker 4: This guy came into a system that's called politics and said, well,
Speaker 4: let's get rid of the politicians. It's like the lifeguard
Speaker 4: going down and saying, hey, who's gonna weak. Well, let's
Speaker 4: get rid of everybody who can swim, all the people
Speaker 4: that swim with me. Let's get some non swimmings. It's
Speaker 4: god damn pool. You expect people to swim as politics.
Speaker 4: You expect people to be political in the world of politics.
Speaker 4: And so what we got is someone who's the opposite
Speaker 4: of politics. And you think, can anything be worse than politics? Yes,
Speaker 4: the opposite of it, which is called Trump. In fact,
Speaker 4: you see right here, I got me some Trump politician.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: I can tell you there is nothing more joyful than
Speaker 4: wiping your as with a helpless sheets. That is Trump issue.
Speaker 1: However, I want to say something though I want to,
Speaker 1: I want to say something is defense. Uh. He has
Speaker 1: been an amazing statesman and a great politician for Russia.
Speaker 4: He's got their best interest.
Speaker 5: But I would argue, though you say, you know, the
Speaker 5: opposite of politics was worse than it's Trump, I would argue,
Speaker 5: the opposite of politics is complete chaos, uh and no organization.
Speaker 5: So it's like we you know, they always say that
Speaker 5: what is a democracy is the worst system of government
Speaker 5: except for.
Speaker 4: All the other ones.
Speaker 5: You know, we're all doing our best to buie byass
Speaker 5: systemwhere we can exist and not murder each other. It's
Speaker 5: not working supermand other countries. But we we can't though,
Speaker 5: not just based on decorum, not.
Speaker 4: Just back goddamn it. That's a different show.
Speaker 1: Okay, forty acres, get get forty acres out in San Francisco,
Speaker 1: you know, don't let them stick you with we get
Speaker 1: to pick out in North Dakota.
Speaker 4: Well you your doctor, doctor Field just came out and
Speaker 4: see it. If they took twelve trillion dollars, they could
Speaker 4: pay off all the black descendants of slaves like three
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty thousand dollars each. But they need to
Speaker 4: turn it right back around and see it. But you
Speaker 4: ain't get that kind of money to black people unless
Speaker 4: you show the loose money. And doctor killed me fuckerr yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not right now. He said, we first need to
Speaker 4: have to train them how. We need to train them
Speaker 4: how to properly use money. Otherwise, and these are his words,
Speaker 4: it would be disastrous. So you saying you can't give
Speaker 4: me the money you owe me unless I use it
Speaker 4: the way you think is a proper way to use it.
Speaker 4: If I take that ship and bury it in the backyard,
Speaker 4: it's my shit. You should just give me what's man,
Speaker 4: and don't say I can only have it under a
Speaker 4: certain condition. Reparations mean repairing something that you understand you
Speaker 4: have broken, and the breaker is supposed to fix it.
Speaker 4: And they fixed that with the American Indian They gave
Speaker 4: them off man casino them was a rolling. They did
Speaker 4: it with the Japanese in the tournament camps. They gave
Speaker 4: white folks money to make up for the slaves they
Speaker 4: lost when they had to release the slaves. And nobody
Speaker 4: asks any of those people what they're gonna do when
Speaker 4: they get the money. They just say, here your stuff,
Speaker 4: gonna have a good day. So doctor phild kissed my
Speaker 4: butttop the darkest recesses. Okay, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3: See I wish I was taught how to handle money,
Speaker 3: because when I started my first job and knew how
Speaker 3: to do things, I had no idea what to do
Speaker 3: with money.
Speaker 4: I know idea.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a thing that just comes with time,
Speaker 3: or you've got some kind of teacher that has money
Speaker 3: that shows you how it works. I'm just saying, like
Speaker 3: I wish our public schools would.
Speaker 4: The public how do's he's in the school.
Speaker 1: It's a design. The public school system is designed to
Speaker 1: create temperate factory workers. That's why. That's how it came.
Speaker 1: That's whether there's not financial literacy classes right the closest.
Speaker 1: A lot of people got with something like as.
Speaker 4: They took that away.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't know, can we hand with one conspiracy
Speaker 3: I had?
Speaker 1: I had one too, but we'll just have mister call
Speaker 1: your back.
Speaker 5: Can I just quickly just add to sex ed was
Speaker 5: controversial because they don't want people to have safe sex.
Speaker 5: They want them to have too many goddamn kids so
Speaker 5: that they're poor forever.
Speaker 4: So they didn't want to talk about it at all.
Speaker 4: Or it's a controversy, the go ahead, you both had one,
Speaker 4: we could squeeze the me and come on, Matt, what's
Speaker 4: your theory?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, my conspiracy is okay, it's the year. I
Speaker 3: think it's probably nineteen ninety nine when you found out.
Speaker 3: I have a feeling it wasn't two thousand. But when
Speaker 3: you found out that there was a thing called the
Speaker 3: Original Kings of Comedy Tour happening and you weren't a
Speaker 3: part of it, where were you and how did you
Speaker 3: find out?
Speaker 4: First of all, I don't understand how they had a
Speaker 4: show called the Kings of Comedy without the King. Let's
Speaker 4: just start with that. I was right there at the time,
Speaker 4: but I wasn't invited. You know, it was Steve's idea.
Speaker 4: And the truth of the matter is he did invite
Speaker 4: me at one point and then two weeks later I
Speaker 4: tried to reach him. I never heard from him again.
Speaker 4: But it was right around the time that he had
Speaker 4: lost his first manager who we all loved, named Juan Hall,
Speaker 4: and Wan Hall had died, so I guess the new
Speaker 4: team came in and helped him change his man. I
Speaker 4: was almost on that, but no, it didn't happen. Just
Speaker 4: a lot of the things like that, I haven't Shaq
Speaker 4: went out and did the Shack Comedy Tools. I wrote
Speaker 4: Shack sh I he had thirty seven comedians. I say,
Speaker 4: it ain't thirty seven motherfuckers on this planet that's funny
Speaker 4: than me. It might be thirty two, thirty three, but
Speaker 4: thirty seven one of a nigga got to do to
Speaker 4: get on Shacks comedy things. So I don't know, and
Speaker 4: when you would ask me? So, when did Shack become
Speaker 4: the arbiter for what's funny? Just putting that out there.
Speaker 4: He's so funny, goofy. Let me tell you something. He
Speaker 4: is doing commercials for everything. He lost me last week though,
Speaker 4: when he did that commercial for Tampacs, I said, I
Speaker 4: am done Shack for tam PACs. I'm like, now, watch out.
Speaker 1: Shock. Shack's a big deal here at our fair Metropolis
Speaker 1: of Atlanta. Man, he runs the Krispy Krees.
Speaker 4: That's I'm a Shack fan. No, don't get it. I'm
Speaker 4: a Shack fan.
Speaker 1: We all walked it back, Yeah, walked it back. But
Speaker 1: so okay, here's uh, you know, I almost want to
Speaker 1: save this one. We'll see if it works. But the last,
Speaker 1: that's one I wanted to ask that we It's kind
Speaker 1: of something we talk about a lot and a lot
Speaker 1: of people privately believe in something like this wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you, between just you millions of listeners in the
Speaker 1: n Essay and us, do you believe in psychic powers?
Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely absolutely. I know people who are brilliant at
Speaker 4: it as well. No. Absolutely, I'm in that whole thing.
Speaker 4: That's my thing right there. I'm with all of that,
Speaker 4: everything that deals with the spiritual, with the energy of
Speaker 4: connecting on a spiritual plane, on astro travel, all that can.
Speaker 4: I absolutely believe in it. And I've done mushrooms, so
Speaker 4: I have traveled, you know. I mean, if you understand
Speaker 4: what what hallucinogenic mushrooms are about, you know, I have
Speaker 4: taken a hero's dose. You know that is a hero does,
Speaker 4: is like ten or more grams. I have taken enough
Speaker 4: where I could literally fold space. There's a movie called Dune.
Speaker 4: You're not that new original one from the real Herbert
Speaker 4: from the real book. And in Dune they're all looking
Speaker 4: for the spice, the spice milange. It gives you the
Speaker 4: ability to fold space, to go anywhere in the universe
Speaker 4: without moving. That's what mushrooms are. And man, I've sat
Speaker 4: down and had conversations with my father who died when
Speaker 4: I was twelve, and I've sat and had conversation with
Speaker 4: him like he was here right now. So I believe
Speaker 4: in all that type of stuff. Oh, absolutely, that stuff
Speaker 4: is very very real. Do you think it can be taught? No,
Speaker 4: I don't think. I think that's something you have or
Speaker 4: you don't have. I don't think that could be taught.
Speaker 4: You know, I have a great teacher of spirituality named Starius.
Speaker 4: A Starius miraculously pull him up a starist, miracularize a
Speaker 4: bad boy, and he could read his reading ninety eight
Speaker 4: percent accurate. He does dideri, due wielding, he does energy old,
Speaker 4: he does a thing called what's that thing that everybody
Speaker 4: else is doing? Right reichy Ome. He does all of
Speaker 4: those modalities, and he's king at that stuff. And I
Speaker 4: absolutely believe, absolutely believe the stuff he's saying. And a
Speaker 4: lot of it is he helped my life, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, this is something where we're at the point
Speaker 1: where I know we've opened several doors, not just the
Speaker 1: doors of perception, but the doors the future. Conversation. Mister Collya,
Speaker 1: the time has flown by What if time is more
Speaker 1: than a construct? Maybe we'll maybe we'll be on mushrooms
Speaker 1: next time we record. We've got to ask. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got to ask people, where's no shooting the thumbs up?
Speaker 1: We gotta woo woo woo. Uh So, where can folks
Speaker 1: learn more about your work? Where can they listen to
Speaker 1: Michael talks to everybody? Where can they follow you online?
Speaker 4: Thank you for asking that very important, impertinent question. Okay,
Speaker 4: y'all can fad me anyway? First of all, I do
Speaker 4: the most amazing show in the whole world for me
Speaker 4: right now, which is now Michael talks the air Body.
Speaker 4: Because I'm doing that and it's not everybody, it's air
Speaker 4: e r r bo d y Airbody. My first guest
Speaker 4: was T. S. Madison. She had a show on WE
Speaker 4: Network and she's just just a brilliant Uh. We have raw,
Speaker 4: real people on my show. We had Earthquake come turn
Speaker 4: it out. We had t I. I got to tease
Speaker 4: him about him getting booed off stage, but he turned
Speaker 4: that around. He was doing comedy, he got booed. Now
Speaker 4: he figured it out and he's selling out places doing comedy.
Speaker 4: Booing what nothing compared to JB. Smooth. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: I love JB. Smooth. But they booed him so hard
Speaker 4: in Atlanta. I could hear the shit in the plane
Speaker 4: I was flying over here, boo, So why are they
Speaker 4: doing JB Smooth? We love Joey Smooth. I love, but
Speaker 4: sometimes you have to have the right material for the
Speaker 4: right audience. The incorrect presentation can throw you off. And
Speaker 4: I think in his case, he was in the wrong
Speaker 4: place in the line of comedians because when you go up,
Speaker 4: you're good, then better, then better, then better then better,
Speaker 4: So it has the role. And I think he went
Speaker 4: behind somebody else who's high energy. I think he followed
Speaker 4: somebody like Oh, I think he followed who the guy
Speaker 4: has his own show, Ricky Smiley, Ricky Smiley, because Ricky
Speaker 4: Smiley was killed on Artistle Screaming. And then I think
Speaker 4: jab just came out with some laid back, smooth comedy.
Speaker 4: They wasn't ready for it, you know. So so on
Speaker 4: the show we've had, I think the smartest black man
Speaker 4: I've talked to so far, who is Heil Harper. I
Speaker 4: don't even know how he get that big brain in
Speaker 4: that little bit of head. We did a show called
Speaker 4: It's Church Relevant, but I did it with three of
Speaker 4: my heathen friends, so I felt like that wasn't quite Kosha.
Speaker 4: So we went back and did part two and we
Speaker 4: brought in Yolanda Adams and Bisp vans Old, so we
Speaker 4: have people from the church that represent So we talked
Speaker 4: to everybody about everything. It's off the chain and all
Speaker 4: you can do is go to iHeart or wherever you
Speaker 4: get your podcasts and put in. Michael talked to everybody.
Speaker 4: That's one way to follow me. I have a morning
Speaker 4: show five days a week on YouTube, Michael Kaya Morning Show.
Speaker 4: I have I'm on Toby. I got two films on Tooby.
Speaker 4: I got two films. Are just putting the can oh Man.
Speaker 4: I just shot a movie where I played Jackade's husband
Speaker 4: to Sheena Arnold's daddy. Uh. Tommy Davison is the minister
Speaker 4: and the lady who played Cedric's girlfriend on Steve Harvey's show.
Speaker 4: Terry J. Vinn directed it. It's called Soul Flat Christmas
Speaker 4: and when I tell you it is amazing, you know. Plus,
Speaker 4: my comedy album is out everybody. It's on all streaming services.
Speaker 4: It's a picture of me sitting on a toilet. It's
Speaker 4: called let Me Drop this on you, Yeah, on you,
Speaker 4: And and then I'm dropping two books and this last thing.
Speaker 4: I got two books. I have a children's book called
Speaker 4: Little Bobby White, which is by a little black boy
Speaker 4: who always wins because he always chooses to do the
Speaker 4: right thing. You know. So we're supposed to get to
Speaker 4: a point in our lives where we can't choose between
Speaker 4: right and wrong if we know right and wrong. No,
Speaker 4: that's the children's book, so that the children book children
Speaker 4: about right, you know. The erotic book is called in
Speaker 4: the Wet Spot Blewe a Rod Cup by mc butternuts
Speaker 4: and it's gonna kill. It's an audiobook. Already did it
Speaker 4: on a breakfast club. I did one point from it.
Speaker 4: People went crazy. I did it on eighty five South.
Speaker 4: People went crazy. So that's coming out like about two months.
Speaker 4: And I'm hirable. Yes, the voices pass over, hangover. I
Speaker 4: do a party of the phone booth if you promise
Speaker 4: to call, I take green Steff food, step Connective money.
Speaker 4: I take your bus transfer if it's got some time
Speaker 4: left on it. I don't know what you'all talking about.
Speaker 4: Were doing it around here, So.
Speaker 3: Michael, thank you so much for being This was a
Speaker 3: delight and thank you.
Speaker 4: Oh he got bailed. Oh come on, somebody, that's fuel
Speaker 4: that sounds I hear it in mane. Let me tell you,
Speaker 4: I'd be having these chicken and now I'd be on
Speaker 4: stage with them and people want the chicken. I had
Speaker 4: the little one merchandising got them to me. He in
Speaker 4: the audience, he said, I'll give you twenty dollars for
Speaker 4: that chicken. I said, well, give me the money. So
Speaker 4: he walked up the stage. He said, wait a minute, baby,
Speaker 4: give me some more money. We're gonna give him thirty.
Speaker 4: She said, dadd they give him fouty. So they gave
Speaker 4: me forty for the chicken, and he turned around, walked
Speaker 4: back to the table, and I went up to the microphone.
Speaker 4: I said, I paid four dollars and eighty six cents
Speaker 4: for that chicken, and it was just great. Your chicken
Speaker 4: is very popular. Y'all will be hearing about the chicken
Speaker 4: all over the world, you know.
Speaker 5: So there's a TikToker, a YouTube video where someone took
Speaker 5: like fifty of those and squeezed them all at the
Speaker 5: same time that it sounds will haunt your nightmare, I
Speaker 5: tell you.
Speaker 4: At the same.
Speaker 1: Time, somebody made one that plays music too. They got
Speaker 1: chickens with different pitches and rolled over them.
Speaker 4: Well, the internet is wild. Some sucker tried to trick
Speaker 4: me and gave me a dunk.
Speaker 1: Customer. Well, folks again, as you said, Matt, mister, call you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being so generous with your time. Today.
Speaker 1: The show is Michael talks to everybody. Full disclosure. I've
Speaker 1: been on there once.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I'd love to.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, all three of y'alls to come
Speaker 4: on the one together and let's just have fun to
Speaker 4: chop it up. I would love that so much. You know,
Speaker 4: we thank you for the invitation. We love to I know,
Speaker 4: I am honest, I've been here. This was so much fun. God,
Speaker 4: bless y'all, real good man, thank you, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 4: love everybody. Her name is Sonia and she soon will
Speaker 4: be Sonia. We get engaged. God, bless y'all, thank you
Speaker 4: so much. Having we want to come hang with you
Speaker 4: in Venice Beach. You see shoot this special this summer.
Speaker 4: It's gonna blow your man, and I'm giving them money
Speaker 4: to the homeless. It's gonna be that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Watch We'll come through.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciate you me any time. By now.
Speaker 1: What a ride we could have done. We could have
Speaker 1: done that for easily a couple more hours.
Speaker 5: Right, It's like riding on a jet ski, on a surfboard,
Speaker 5: on a raging bull of some I mean it was
Speaker 5: just all the kinds of rides like like packed into one.
Speaker 5: What a delight, What a cool human with a wealth
Speaker 5: of experience and interesting perspective.
Speaker 4: Man, that was awesome.
Speaker 3: It's almost like Michael spent years and years and years
Speaker 3: performing every day for giant audiences somewhere.
Speaker 4: You can't fake that kind of timing, man, you just
Speaker 4: can't do it. That was.
Speaker 1: Mister c Is is indeed a very genuine person, great guy,
Speaker 1: and we're not We're not blowing smoke, folks. When we
Speaker 1: have people on our show, we're respectful your time as well.
Speaker 1: So we only really have people on if we think
Speaker 1: it's going to be a worthwhile conversation exploration. Do check
Speaker 1: him out. Everything that said is this is where we
Speaker 1: also learned Matt as a huge art hotshots part du fan.
Speaker 3: Sorry about that look that it was. It meant a
Speaker 3: lot to me in my life. I guess around the time.
Speaker 3: I was only ten when it came out, so I
Speaker 3: don't think I saw it like immediately. I must have
Speaker 3: been a little older when I finally found it.
Speaker 5: But uh wow, I think I remember renting it from
Speaker 5: the video store. I do remember it coming out in
Speaker 5: theaters because speaking of chickens, doesn't isn't he like like
Speaker 5: shooting a chicken out of his bow and arrow and
Speaker 5: it's like on fire and it's obviously Charlie. I meant
Speaker 5: to follow up, like, did Charlie Sheen just discover him
Speaker 5: on Venice Beach and that's how he got the gig.
Speaker 5: I wanted to hear that story, but we went so
Speaker 5: many places we could have gone. Oh the places you'll
Speaker 5: go when you talk to Michael Collier.
Speaker 1: That was awesome and who knew he was a fellow
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