Speaker 1: And that's what you Really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 3: Welcome to you, and That's what you Really Missed podcast
Speaker 3: our guest edition and we have a special WIM today.
Speaker 4: Josh Sussman.
Speaker 3: Jacob Ben Israel himself is here and it is a
Speaker 3: really awesome, honest conversation about his experience, and I'm just
Speaker 3: so grateful that he came on, and like, I hope
Speaker 3: that he anyway, I let you listen and we'll talk
Speaker 3: about it after.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was fully prepared to be as honest as
Speaker 2: possible and we really really appreciate it. Hope you enjoy
Speaker 2: our talk with JBI himself.
Speaker 3: Josh, Hello, it's good to see you.
Speaker 2: How's it going.
Speaker 1: I'm very happy to be here.
Speaker 4: Oh good, Well.
Speaker 3: I ran into you recently at our favorite spot, and.
Speaker 4: You are telling me.
Speaker 3: Number one, that you listened to the show, which I
Speaker 3: was very We're very grateful for, but also that you
Speaker 3: your experience on Brittany Brittany, and we were like, you
Speaker 3: have to come on the show. We've been meaning to
Speaker 3: ask you anyway, but we were waiting for like some
Speaker 3: more like juicy Jacob Ben Israel content, so and I
Speaker 3: feel like Brittany really encapsulates that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that episode was crazy, and I guess I'm gonna
Speaker 5: I prepared myself to share stories that I've never shared
Speaker 5: publicly before. Wow, just on my experience of it all,
Speaker 5: I figured it's this is the place to do it.
Speaker 5: But I'll just just to give it just a tease.
Speaker 5: I have never before that episode, I never experienced cyber bullying.
Speaker 5: And being on g Lee has been the best thing ever.
Speaker 5: But that show with what how Jacob was creepy and
Speaker 5: obviously doing a great things. I got the most terrible
Speaker 5: things written to me in large numbers, and it.
Speaker 1: Made me so sad.
Speaker 5: And that's what I've never vocalized, because who am I
Speaker 5: to complain. I'm so lucky to beyond this fantastic show.
Speaker 5: That's my favorite show and it's so good, and I
Speaker 5: just couldn't comprehend because the show would deal with anti bullying.
Speaker 5: And I'll just say, ninety nine percent of the Glee
Speaker 5: fans are just amazing. But it's online. It's I mean,
Speaker 5: I'll go into it.
Speaker 1: It was pretty just okay, I'll go right into it
Speaker 1: because this is etched in my brain.
Speaker 5: Here's a letter I received, Dear Josh Sussman, who plays
Speaker 5: Jacob in Israel.
Speaker 1: I want to punch you in the face.
Speaker 5: Never mind, I want to punch you in the so
Speaker 5: you can't ever procreate and have filthy kids like yourself.
Speaker 5: You ruined what should have been one of the best songs, Toxic.
Speaker 5: I hate you go die aby Wow.
Speaker 4: Oh Josh, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: And I know I'm not looking for a pity party.
Speaker 4: I'm just now, but that's horrible.
Speaker 2: The advent of like Twitter and social media becoming you
Speaker 2: know what it is today and now we know sort
Speaker 2: of how to deal with cyberboling in a way, even
Speaker 2: though it still gets us. But back then also like
Speaker 2: it was still so new, and people would go on
Speaker 2: there like they do today still and say the wildest
Speaker 2: ship and then it's like, how are you supposed to
Speaker 2: know how to deal with that?
Speaker 5: And I would read everything, which is not smart and
Speaker 5: like recket Ralph who didn't come out yet, And that's
Speaker 5: where you learn j'n't read the comments. And I was
Speaker 5: people because till that point I was People would say
Speaker 5: things and it's like nice to read, Oh I thought
Speaker 5: you were funny or nice things. But after that, yeah,
Speaker 5: and I couldn't stop because I guess, and then I
Speaker 5: was trying to find something nice and maybe but after
Speaker 5: this episode, unfortunately that usually the nice way out weighs.
Speaker 5: But this episode, and I'll be curious to listen to
Speaker 5: hear what you guys thought of it. If yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: sure I could be a cringe moment in that one.
Speaker 1: I was naked, I mean, and.
Speaker 3: It wasn't you like it was I think, I think
Speaker 3: along with the episode. It came out of nowhere and
Speaker 3: it was something that was written for you, right. It
Speaker 3: was the content that was created that you like, we
Speaker 3: had no say over what we were given, and we
Speaker 3: were felt so lucky. Who were we to speak up to,
Speaker 3: you know, against any of the things that we were doing.
Speaker 3: We're just so lucky to have a job, right, and
Speaker 3: lucky to be in in a position that we were in.
Speaker 3: So I feel you in that way of like being
Speaker 3: an actor and.
Speaker 4: Not feeling being able to like speak your peace without
Speaker 4: feeling like you're expendable and you're gonna be like tired.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I had no issue with it. I assumed, oh,
Speaker 5: this is funny. He's pushing the envelope. I had no
Speaker 5: desire to ever say no, I mean even being naked.
Speaker 1: I was just in my trailer trying to do pushups.
Speaker 5: But then a crafty there was like a sandwich truck
Speaker 5: where you could make yourself your own sandwich.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know.
Speaker 5: And then I was so good at making myself a sandwich.
Speaker 5: I made myself a second sandwich and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, no, you're gonna be taked.
Speaker 5: But it's I was, Oh, they shaved me like I
Speaker 5: had hair, Oh yeah on my body, so to be
Speaker 5: I guess youthfully, that's crazy. But the only thing I
Speaker 5: was ever worried about are getting fired was I was
Speaker 5: twenty five in the first season, and I was like,
Speaker 5: I was so scared, Like what if I'm supposed to
Speaker 5: be a height I don't know. But then I wasn't
Speaker 5: the oldest one.
Speaker 1: There were a.
Speaker 5: Couple of boys old, but it was still I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: and I'm so glad now I AMDB finally lets you
Speaker 5: remove the age.
Speaker 1: But it's still everywhere else.
Speaker 3: Ye, yeah, we can't escape that. Everybody probably knows all
Speaker 3: of our ahs at this point.
Speaker 2: It's also just wild where the passion that fans have
Speaker 2: and had for the show, Like you said, most of
Speaker 2: it was overwhelmingly positive and like, we get to be
Speaker 2: on the show that is, you know, representing people who
Speaker 2: are normally not represented. However, the disparity of not being
Speaker 2: able to tell the difference when someone is just there's
Speaker 2: Josh and then there's Jbi, who was very much not you,
Speaker 2: right and in real life it's like you are the sweetest,
Speaker 2: most thoughtful person, and then you are playing this carecharacter
Speaker 2: who is very much the opposite of you. And I
Speaker 2: don't know where people get off thinking that any of
Speaker 2: that is even remotely okay to get on there and
Speaker 2: attack somebody for a role they're playing, right, Well, they.
Speaker 5: Think that there that we are so similar, and I
Speaker 5: guess when they're basing Josh Sussman, they're getting what they
Speaker 5: see in interviews, and to begin with, interviews are awkward,
Speaker 5: especially if you're not used to them. They would write, oh,
Speaker 5: your he's just as creepy as his character, or something's
Speaker 5: wrong with him, and it's like, yeah, there is no
Speaker 5: escape and yeah, and just all you could do is
Speaker 5: you to meet people in person and leave them with
Speaker 5: a great impression like oh we like the character.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot we can't control.
Speaker 3: Well, I just want to say I'm sorry not I know,
Speaker 3: you're not looking for a pretty party. Like that's never acceptable.
Speaker 3: Cyberbullying should never be okay. And for somebody is just
Speaker 3: doing their job and doing it well, that's really shitty.
Speaker 4: And so it makes me very upset.
Speaker 3: Because I also like, for a long time, we would
Speaker 3: read the comments, we would troll the you know, the
Speaker 3: Perez Hilton's and the and all the different things, and
Speaker 3: at some point I had to just close my computer
Speaker 3: and say, I'm not doing it anymore because it's very harmful.
Speaker 3: And it's really hard to walk that line of like
Speaker 3: wanting to read the good things and then having to
Speaker 3: take the bad but not having to take the bad,
Speaker 3: you know. So anyway, I just want to acknowledge that
Speaker 3: and then move onward from it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I am the Beast. Also have message boards,
Speaker 5: which they don't anymore. The show had a message board,
Speaker 5: but on my personal message board there was kick him
Speaker 5: off Glee and all this and he's so he's too creepy,
Speaker 5: it's not funny. And then here's another thing. I don't
Speaker 5: know if you know, I don't know if any of
Speaker 5: that affected my place on the show, because I was
Speaker 5: booked for an episode it was episode seven. It was
Speaker 5: Gwyneth Paltrow's first episode where she's the substitute coming in
Speaker 5: from sneezing. But it was that was filmed just shortly
Speaker 5: after that episode aired, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: I had the script with my pages that I think
Speaker 5: I sneezed on either Higgins or Shuster and and I guess.
Speaker 5: Then I turned into Lauren's izies and I was like, wait,
Speaker 5: is this aftermath because this was and I don't know,
Speaker 5: they could maybe have just decided, oh, that's better if
Speaker 5: she's the sneezer and you'll get to that episode eventually.
Speaker 1: But then there was.
Speaker 5: A while where then I wasn't on it, and I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, like, not only is it one thing
Speaker 5: they could say, oh you're ugly, you're this year all
Speaker 5: blah blah blah, but is it affecting the you know,
Speaker 5: getting to come to work And that's something I'll never know,
Speaker 5: but so interesting.
Speaker 2: It's just it's so hard because you showed up and
Speaker 2: you're so good, You're very, very good. And if there's
Speaker 2: like one of the things rewatching this and I do
Speaker 2: want to talk about this too, because there's sort of
Speaker 2: our world and our experience, and then there are people
Speaker 2: like you who were on the show but not in
Speaker 2: the Glee Club and not one of the teachers, and
Speaker 2: so we didn't see a lot, but you were in
Speaker 2: so many episodes and we're just very very good, thank you.
Speaker 2: And you had to play this character that was not
Speaker 2: necessarily overly likable because you were sort of talking shit
Speaker 2: about the Glee Club and like pushing buns. But no,
Speaker 2: but it's not you. You did a great job at
Speaker 2: the job you were hired to perform exactly, And how
Speaker 2: was that for you? Because you came on the show,
Speaker 2: the show obviously became a hit, became a success, and
Speaker 2: I feel like we were around each other, but we
Speaker 2: weren't necessarily ever as close as like the Glee Club was,
Speaker 2: and like, for example, when we started getting weird things
Speaker 2: on the internet, we had each other to turn to
Speaker 2: and talk about with because we were experiencing all that together.
Speaker 2: But to have someone like you who's coming in and
Speaker 2: out of episodes, you and we didn't necessarily have that
Speaker 2: same relationship, or didn't you didn't know that, like you know,
Speaker 2: they're going through this to an extent, what is that
Speaker 2: hard being that person on the show coming in and
Speaker 2: like you were in over twenty episodes of the series, right,
Speaker 2: And that's.
Speaker 5: A great question, and it's I feel very close to
Speaker 5: Max Sadler because I feel that me and him we're
Speaker 5: in the closest similar position that maybe that me and
Speaker 5: him are the only ones in because then there's the
Speaker 5: Glee Club, who you are, the series regulars, you blew
Speaker 5: up overnight. We're the biggest stars in the world on
Speaker 5: the best TV show, and so you all have each other,
Speaker 5: and then there's also the recurrings, and it's so we're
Speaker 5: also because we're part of this in the radius of
Speaker 5: this huge show, we're all so extremely I guess have
Speaker 5: become recognizable, and it's.
Speaker 1: So strange.
Speaker 5: And I felt like there's things that I could only
Speaker 5: talk about with him, or there's other things that are
Speaker 5: relatable that we would relate.
Speaker 1: To so much that you can't talk to.
Speaker 5: But yeah, coming into the show, I was a rich
Speaker 5: I auditioned for one episode, and yeah, it's amazing that
Speaker 5: it became, like you said, over twenty episodes.
Speaker 2: You're too good. You know, you don't turn a one
Speaker 2: episode roll into over twenty by being bad and not
Speaker 2: having people like you. Because I think when you have
Speaker 2: those writers and it was just Ian, Brad and Ryan
Speaker 2: and they give you something and it's like you made
Speaker 2: it so much, probably better than what they ever could
Speaker 2: have imagined, and so it's like keep bringing them back.
Speaker 1: Well I got.
Speaker 5: I feel so lucky because I remember my first day.
Speaker 5: It was in Celibacy Club and before I even had
Speaker 5: any of my lines, we did a scene with I
Speaker 5: guess where I was Rachel's partner, and Ryan just said,
Speaker 5: tell her you enchant me, and so that wasn't in
Speaker 5: the script and so I haven't even spoken yet on camera,
Speaker 5: and so he just gave me and then she had
Speaker 5: the line I'll tell you a dirty little secret. Girls
Speaker 5: want sex just as much as boys do. And then
Speaker 5: Ryan told me to say is that accurate? And I
Speaker 5: said is that accurate? Like it wasn't in the script.
Speaker 5: So I felt like he just picked me, and so
Speaker 5: thank you Ryan. I feel like that was really great
Speaker 5: and then to get to come back. But also so
Speaker 5: I was in five of the first thirteen wow, and
Speaker 5: I only saw those scripts, so I didn't know who
Speaker 5: Quinn was pregnant with. So fun when I was watching
Speaker 5: the show, like putting together these puzzle.
Speaker 3: Pieces, that's so funny that you didn't know but you
Speaker 3: were here throughout and I'll.
Speaker 5: Just another experience, just as sort of not an outsider.
Speaker 5: But I loved the show so much so when there
Speaker 5: was the first episode of the Back nine Hello, it
Speaker 5: was going to premiere a week early at the Grove,
Speaker 5: and I wasn't thinking what a big show was. I
Speaker 5: just showed up at the Grove and it was an
Speaker 5: event that you.
Speaker 1: Guys were at.
Speaker 4: Yah.
Speaker 5: I got mobbed like never before. Security escorted me out.
Speaker 5: They throw a safety and I was put in holding
Speaker 5: with you guys.
Speaker 2: I remember seeing you there.
Speaker 5: And I always felt like, oh, I hope they don't
Speaker 5: think I'm trying to crash at the event, and I
Speaker 5: was thinking why. I was always paranoid and worried that
Speaker 5: It's like why is he here? He's such a small and
Speaker 5: always said anything or no one know that way. But
Speaker 5: I wasn't like dressed with from stylist. I wasn't prepared.
Speaker 5: I didn't know there were but that was something I
Speaker 5: accidentally got thrown into, and I was worried.
Speaker 1: You guys think why is he here? No?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, definitely not definitely.
Speaker 2: We were all just around all the time. You know,
Speaker 2: like there's it was such a little community on those
Speaker 2: stages of us filming that it was like, yeah, of
Speaker 2: course he's here.
Speaker 3: Would yeah, okay, that's really funny though, and not funny
Speaker 3: for your safety.
Speaker 4: Just not expecting that at all.
Speaker 5: And I've never experienced anything, I guess like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But so when I was doing but for Glee, I
Speaker 5: worked on other shows and.
Speaker 2: Other things everything. By the way, if people don't know,
Speaker 2: go look at his resume. It's bonkers, Like You've just
Speaker 2: been on everything you've been doing because you are very,
Speaker 2: very talented.
Speaker 1: It's nice to say.
Speaker 5: But I started. When I did my first Glee, I
Speaker 5: had no idea. I wasn't familiar with Niptok. But I
Speaker 5: remember when I saw the first episode also a week early.
Speaker 5: It was at like high school in Santa Monica, and
Speaker 5: I was screaming and I was like, holy cow, this
Speaker 5: is like I was like, I'm a part of the
Speaker 5: best show in the world. And I resonated, like when
Speaker 5: Rachel Berry was sayings, being part of something special makes
Speaker 5: you special, like wait, I think I'm part of something special.
Speaker 4: And it was Yeah, it.
Speaker 5: Was a very special time those I think not knowing
Speaker 5: going from doing something and not knowing it.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, each episode that came, did they tell you
Speaker 3: like you might come back or did you just like
Speaker 3: not expect it or wait for the phone during and
Speaker 3: then they're like, we're coming You're coming back, Like, how
Speaker 3: did that? How did that work for you?
Speaker 1: So great question.
Speaker 5: So I waited by the phone every time. I never
Speaker 5: knew if I was going to come back. But so
Speaker 5: during all of the first episode, my name was Randy Henkis.
Speaker 5: And by the.
Speaker 1: End of Push It, or during Push It.
Speaker 5: When you Guys, when I just was in the audience
Speaker 5: watching you Guys, which was incredible. I Ryan, who was
Speaker 5: directing that episode, told me, if I see my name
Speaker 5: in future scripts, it's going to be Jacob And that
Speaker 5: was the first time I had an inkling I'm going
Speaker 5: to be back, which I then came back for the
Speaker 5: Roads Not Taken and that was very cool that they
Speaker 5: came back for Throwdown Wheels and sectionals.
Speaker 1: Right, So, but Grant.
Speaker 5: Episode you were all the best, but those are really
Speaker 5: good ones and sectionals. I got to join the Glee
Speaker 5: Club for a tiny bit, but that was short lived.
Speaker 1: But then the most exciting thing happened, and.
Speaker 5: This is another exclusive for you, guys. I auditioned for
Speaker 5: a Fox show, and then I had an audition for
Speaker 5: the producers of this Fox show, and then they wanted
Speaker 5: to test me to be a series regular on this
Speaker 5: Fox show. But then because Glee was a Fox show,
Speaker 5: they were like, wait, no, this show is new, we
Speaker 5: don't know. They ended up putting me under our contract
Speaker 5: for the back nine of season one, and that's why
Speaker 5: I show up. Sometimes it's just one line because they
Speaker 5: were obligated, so like in the back nine, that's why
Speaker 5: sometimes I'm there not even speaking like.
Speaker 1: Or just having one line.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And that.
Speaker 5: So I was there for a certain amount of the
Speaker 5: back nine, plus what they called a series regular option
Speaker 5: for season two, which like the option spoiler alert, they
Speaker 5: didn't take the option.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 5: Wow, and there was it was this whole really cool thing.
Speaker 1: As the most it was so exciting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I learned what option Oh okay.
Speaker 3: But there was a couple of other people who also
Speaker 3: had that same contract.
Speaker 1: That it was pretty exciting. So then season one I
Speaker 1: knew as in a certain amount.
Speaker 5: Then so for the beginning of season two, I they said, hey,
Speaker 5: we're not going to do it, but you're going to
Speaker 5: be in the first two episodes, and then I after
Speaker 5: then I was in the sixth one. But then after
Speaker 5: the fallout of the Brittany and people not liking Toxic
Speaker 5: and knowing, wait, a lot of time is going by,
Speaker 5: I don't know if I'll be back, And then I
Speaker 5: think maybe it was nine episodes later, which was felt
Speaker 5: like a long time. I did come back for a
Speaker 5: Night of Neglect, which is a weird episode. You were
Speaker 5: so amazing and how it didn't make any sense that
Speaker 5: I'm hecking new with the river. Yeah, that was like,
Speaker 5: that was one of the best things, just getting to
Speaker 5: watch when you guys were performing. And then season three
Speaker 5: I just did two episodes, and then season four I
Speaker 5: did two episodes, So those were very I guess you're thinking, wait,
Speaker 5: in the first season, the phone rang a lot. I
Speaker 5: hope I get to come back. So it was honestly,
Speaker 5: you know, yes, I didn't know, and then I just Okay,
Speaker 5: maybe that's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, you never knew. I never my last thing.
Speaker 2: It's always such a hard position to be, like a
Speaker 2: go from being a guest star you think it's like
Speaker 2: a one episode thing to getting a series option, possible
Speaker 2: contract for the back nine and then going back to
Speaker 2: being a guest star and not knowing, and that I
Speaker 2: think people don't necessarily, I guess, with whether you're in
Speaker 2: the industry of it or not if you're not, I
Speaker 2: think people don't necessarily realize that all we want is
Speaker 2: to get to do this fun job and get to
Speaker 2: be given an opportunity. And then when you get the
Speaker 2: chance to be on a show that is successful and
Speaker 2: you're in episodes, but if you're not a regular, you
Speaker 2: never know. You never made it on any show, and
Speaker 2: it is so hard. Like I was in two episodes
Speaker 2: of a show and this filming of the second episode,
Speaker 2: some wardrobe person came up and was like, Oh, I'm
Speaker 2: so sad you're getting killed off. I had no idea,
Speaker 2: and like that happens tales all this time because you're
Speaker 2: just the experience of being on these things is so
Speaker 2: much fun, and it's like I'm just trying to like
Speaker 2: keep my head down, do good work right, and make
Speaker 2: sure no one wants to fire me for any reason, right,
Speaker 2: and like please keep bringing me back because one paycheck
Speaker 2: is great too. I love being a part of this
Speaker 2: and this is fun and it's it's tough, it's just
Speaker 2: so tough.
Speaker 1: You know, I said, okay, if I do light, light gossip.
Speaker 2: Do whatever you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I won't so.
Speaker 5: In my very last episode and I won't say names.
Speaker 5: But I came back in season five one final time,
Speaker 5: and there was a cast member who asked, when after
Speaker 5: seeing why is he here?
Speaker 1: And it I mean in the script.
Speaker 5: But then that made me wonder, wait, was there a
Speaker 5: reason I'm not supposed to be here? It's been a
Speaker 5: year and a half, but like was I don't know
Speaker 5: if there was something where it was talked about now
Speaker 5: Jacob Stein, Yeah, I don't know why they said that.
Speaker 2: That sounds like their issue and not yours, which yeah,
Speaker 2: again unfortunate because we know how hard it is to
Speaker 2: come in and out at a show like that. And
Speaker 2: then again, we're not calling the shots, we're not writing things.
Speaker 2: So somebody shows up in a scene, who are we
Speaker 2: to question such things?
Speaker 3: Well exactly, and like it doesn't take just just the
Speaker 3: core pass like get you guys like made this show
Speaker 3: so like colorful and so you know, it just elevated
Speaker 3: it so much, and so just because we had the
Speaker 3: contract and we're there every day didn't mean that you
Speaker 3: guys didn't belong like.
Speaker 2: Things did come off the rails a bit in five
Speaker 2: and six first, and so sure.
Speaker 4: Everybody was a little a little honest.
Speaker 2: A lot of people.
Speaker 3: But I do hope that, like we learned very early,
Speaker 3: like make people feel comfortable when they come in. It
Speaker 3: must be so hard to come into such a massive
Speaker 3: show that has so much visibility. And we are such
Speaker 3: a tight knit crew, right we spend every day together
Speaker 3: that like, these people are coming in, that must be
Speaker 3: so hard for them. So we really did, I think,
Speaker 3: try to be more conscious of it towards like a
Speaker 3: later seasons to be welcoming to people, because we just
Speaker 3: you know, try to put ourselves in their shoes. And
Speaker 3: so I hope that you felt welcome aside from these
Speaker 3: harder you know, these individual humans who chose to not
Speaker 3: be so kind, but anyway.
Speaker 5: Always amusing that I can't believe someone would say that,
Speaker 5: or having just off the rails, I witnessed things which
Speaker 5: I can't believe.
Speaker 1: Witnessed. And then I'll tell you this.
Speaker 5: I was asked and try I was just to be
Speaker 5: convinced to try to be part of this docu series,
Speaker 5: which I said know to but they were trying to
Speaker 5: tell me, Oh, it's.
Speaker 1: Just a fun, feel good thing now, And I don't know.
Speaker 1: They were very aggressive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know what you're hearing, so I said,
Speaker 5: but I'm glad this is where I want to be
Speaker 5: to tell my stories.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it definitely these crazy other things that we
Speaker 3: don't really speak of, like Voltevah. We were all obviously,
Speaker 3: we were all approached about it, but it's very misleading.
Speaker 3: And so we feel like we feel more responsibility on
Speaker 3: this show to bring on the people like you who
Speaker 3: help make this show so great and to talk about
Speaker 3: the good times that we had and you know, just
Speaker 3: all the really great memories and things that you know,
Speaker 3: people have never heard from and they don't get to
Speaker 3: hear from you and Max and you know.
Speaker 4: All these great characters as much.
Speaker 3: So it's it's nice to have you and.
Speaker 2: And without trying to put a spin on it, you know,
Speaker 2: there's no sort of we're not we don't have to
Speaker 2: do that. Just your experience is your experience, because it's
Speaker 2: a gigantic community that it takes to put on a
Speaker 2: TV show, to make a TV show happen, and everyone's
Speaker 2: going to have a very different perspective of that and
Speaker 2: so it's been really fascinating and humbling to have people
Speaker 2: like you, you know, feel safe to come to give
Speaker 2: you a perspective of your experience.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jacob, tell me Jaco, Oh my god, I did it.
Speaker 4: I did it again. I knew I was going to
Speaker 4: do it on this. I don't.
Speaker 3: It's the Jays, I think, Like I my brain sometimes
Speaker 3: is like I just want to call you, Jacob. I'm
Speaker 3: going to call you Jacob. So Jacob tell me, Josh.
Speaker 2: Put the glasses.
Speaker 4: Easy.
Speaker 3: Tell me about your experience and being recognized, like obviously
Speaker 3: the Grove was a very concentrated Glee fan event. Tell
Speaker 3: me about yours with like the Outworld, I mean, as
Speaker 3: the show blew up, what that was like for you?
Speaker 3: And then also two parter recently, do you still get
Speaker 3: recognized a lot or did you feel a resurgence when
Speaker 3: like it came back on the streamers.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like it ever really stopped. So there's
Speaker 1: I mean, there's three things.
Speaker 4: You're so rush.
Speaker 1: I have a book, my big big afro.
Speaker 5: I guess it's easy, but you know, I cut off
Speaker 5: my hair and you'll see it in the when you
Speaker 5: get to the season four.
Speaker 1: Like I buzzed cut it.
Speaker 5: That was like the biggest disguise because sometimes going to
Speaker 5: the mall or whatever was overwhelming, Like I would try
Speaker 5: not to go after con certain hours, like after cool
Speaker 5: because I get the overwhelming And then when I cut
Speaker 5: all my hair off, the recognition stopped instantly. Wow, And
Speaker 5: so then it was interesting us, Okay, I wasn't used
Speaker 5: to this, so this is nice. But then there was
Speaker 5: a time I know, it really didn't come back, and
Speaker 5: then I was like, oh, that's also because I'm not
Speaker 5: working as much or I'm not on TV as much,
Speaker 5: so I'd rather and I just want to get to
Speaker 5: act and work so badly that I realize, Okay, I'd
Speaker 5: rather have an overwhelming amount of recognition right if it
Speaker 5: means I'm working and getting to do my dream and
Speaker 5: do what I want to do. But so of the
Speaker 5: three things I'll get recognized for Drake and Josh wizards angrily,
Speaker 5: it's only always one of those three.
Speaker 1: And sometimes people come up and they don't tell you
Speaker 1: which it is.
Speaker 5: Sometimes people come up and they just put their phone
Speaker 5: in their face and want to take a selfie and
Speaker 5: they don't even say anything.
Speaker 2: Can you tell what when they come up like, what
Speaker 2: show they're going to recognize you from?
Speaker 5: Usually not, it's kind of sometimes I could guess from
Speaker 5: my least favorite or The hardest thing is when someone says,
Speaker 5: what do I know you from?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: God like that?
Speaker 5: My go to answer is, well, maybe we go to
Speaker 5: the same starbar. Because when I first moved out here,
Speaker 5: I saw someone and he looked familiar and I asked
Speaker 5: him if we knew each other and he said, well,
Speaker 5: I have a recurring role on One Tree Hill and.
Speaker 1: He said it so douchey, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: never want to be that person.
Speaker 5: So even though I think there's a ninety percent chance
Speaker 5: they know me from Glee or something else, I unless
Speaker 5: they say, hey, are you an actor? But then I
Speaker 5: still don't want to say not because I'm being poyed.
Speaker 5: But anyone is listening, Oh he's just listening his resume.
Speaker 5: Yeah I was on this, I was on that knows
Speaker 5: about I know. And then I just seem like I'm
Speaker 5: just boasting about all the things that is not Like,
Speaker 5: so if someone recognizes me at Disneyland, well I have
Speaker 5: an annual pass, so maybe it's here. But then they think, no,
Speaker 5: it's not that. But then I feel like, am I
Speaker 5: misleading them? So it's it's tougher.
Speaker 2: I do the exact same thing.
Speaker 4: Yep, I did the same respond.
Speaker 2: Exact same ways yours does. I'm like, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 2: come in here a lot, so maybe it's just around here,
Speaker 2: you know, if I'm at a Starbucks or restaurant or
Speaker 2: something exactly thing. Yeah, because we've all lived here too
Speaker 2: long and experienced too many people that.
Speaker 4: Are just sure you're right. Yes, yeah, yeah, I get
Speaker 4: that a lot.
Speaker 3: I get that actually more than like the recognition. Recently,
Speaker 3: it's like, have we met? I feel like I know
Speaker 3: you from somewhere.
Speaker 4: I'm like, maybe maybe you never know, you know what.
Speaker 5: But the weird the one that and it's been a
Speaker 5: while that I've been getting this is you were my childhood.
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh wow.
Speaker 5: The first time, and the first time I heard that
Speaker 5: was actually like ten years ago, I was like, wait what.
Speaker 2: But you're like, well, it's also my childhood, so.
Speaker 5: Exactly, So now I now it's it's very nice and
Speaker 5: I think of all the best best thing and perk
Speaker 5: of fame is that you get to make people happy.
Speaker 5: Just even by having talking to someone for a minute,
Speaker 5: you could tell it makes their whole days, Like why
Speaker 5: wouldn't you do that every time? And I'm such a
Speaker 5: fan of movies and TV. I get excited when I
Speaker 5: meet people. And I remember meeting John Stamos and I
Speaker 5: was on cloud nine talking to him and think he
Speaker 5: was so nice and so cool. Yep and wait, and
Speaker 5: then I realized that people who are excited after meeting me, Wait,
Speaker 5: am I giving them the same feeling?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 5: Like I don't feel it because I don't feel like special,
Speaker 5: but I understand that they're excited, and I just want
Speaker 5: to give them a top notch experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really nice because you're a good person.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you have a favorite memory of being on the show?
Speaker 5: Being able to go to the Golden Globes with you
Speaker 5: guys was and those part those parties where everyone was
Speaker 5: there was like the coolest thing in the world. But
Speaker 5: and I think just from like season one, I think
Speaker 5: was a very special time, going from the obscurity of
Speaker 5: not knowing to going to the SAG Awards, going to
Speaker 5: those things and was but a favorite on set. You know,
Speaker 5: I actually had so much fun during Toxic. I didn't
Speaker 5: like the aftermath, Like that was fun watching you guys
Speaker 5: and just being silly and yelling.
Speaker 1: How much.
Speaker 4: It was very funny. We just wanted to tell you this.
Speaker 1: I hope this okay to say.
Speaker 5: I went to I guess shortly after that air there
Speaker 5: was an event for Glad at the London Hotel. It
Speaker 5: was on the rooftop and I saw Ryan there and
Speaker 5: he said, well, hello, controversy. You should have seen what
Speaker 5: I cut out. So I so somewhere there's a much
Speaker 5: more the vulgar and much more because.
Speaker 2: He was directing, so I'm sure he was getting you
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 4: A bunch of different things.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's fun. I don't know if they'll ever be
Speaker 3: the I don't think so. Ryan doesn't bear all of
Speaker 3: his secrets.
Speaker 5: Okay, but I like doing the interviews and that was fun.
Speaker 5: I liked, you know, my scenes with Rachel those.
Speaker 4: I really liked.
Speaker 2: You guys were good together.
Speaker 1: Kevin.
Speaker 5: Do you remember I shared a story when we were
Speaker 5: together last year in Liverpool about a love note.
Speaker 1: I got yes, and then.
Speaker 5: I remember you were saying you started cracking up, like
Speaker 5: I remember that, because what do you know?
Speaker 1: Because I don't know very much.
Speaker 2: I don't either, but I remember it happening like he
Speaker 2: you got tell tell the story.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this I've done two episodes.
Speaker 5: I'm there from my third episode, throw Down, where I
Speaker 5: have a lot of scenes with Rachel. It's the episode
Speaker 5: where I want I blackmailed her for her panties or
Speaker 5: went to write a bad review. As I get to
Speaker 5: my trailer and there's a little sticky note said I'm
Speaker 5: really looking forward to our scene and had a lipstick
Speaker 5: kiss on the note and it was signed Leah Ah. Okay,
Speaker 5: it never occurred to me that this was not from Leah.
Speaker 5: I was just thinking, oh, this seems this Jenna here
Speaker 5: laugh and people are just listening to the audio. Jenna
Speaker 5: is the video? Jenna, did you know this story?
Speaker 3: I vaguely remember this, and I vaguely remember.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to remember who did it.
Speaker 2: I remember part of it because there was a kiss
Speaker 2: on it, right, yes, yes, red lipstick. Yes, And I
Speaker 2: remember who did that.
Speaker 5: I heard I said who it was before I heard
Speaker 5: that Amber, which I've never discussed with I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't remember where I heard that, but I found
Speaker 5: out years later.
Speaker 1: So I'm just.
Speaker 5: Thinking, oh, okay, I didn't know if Leah liked me
Speaker 5: or not, or I didn't know like does she have
Speaker 5: a crush on me? I wondered that, like, why is
Speaker 5: she doing that? Or she just being friendly? So anyway,
Speaker 5: I go up to Leah or like I told her,
Speaker 5: I got your note. She has no idea what I'm
Speaker 5: talking about. And she was like okay. She asked, okay,
Speaker 5: what's where? What's She's waiting for the punchline because the
Speaker 5: last time I was there I told her a joke
Speaker 5: I did fun so she thought this is another one
Speaker 5: of my corny punds.
Speaker 1: But I was like no. I pulled it out of
Speaker 1: my pocket and I handed it to her.
Speaker 5: And she looks at it and she reads it. For
Speaker 5: those who are want to she grabs it. She doesn't
Speaker 5: say anything. She walks away and starts talking to it.
Speaker 5: I think someone to hear and MA up and I
Speaker 5: never heard any I never heard. She never told me
Speaker 5: she didn't write it. And I realized, huh, this was
Speaker 5: a prank someone.
Speaker 2: You were really part of the show. We were all
Speaker 2: pranking each other.
Speaker 5: So here here's the thing. Was the prank on me
Speaker 5: or was it on Leah? I used to think there
Speaker 5: was a prank on me, but then I was thinking, oh,
Speaker 5: that could be fun at Leah will make her think
Speaker 5: that the.
Speaker 2: Guy for one.
Speaker 4: It's a two hander, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Do you remember it?
Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to remember now and I feel like I.
Speaker 2: Think it was Amber who did the kiss mark, but
Speaker 2: I don't think she wrote it. I think someone got
Speaker 2: her to kiss it.
Speaker 4: I think so too, but I actually can't remember.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do some digging.
Speaker 4: We are going to try to find out.
Speaker 3: We'll find out, yeah, but I do. I do remember
Speaker 3: witnessing this like around me. So we'll dig. We'll dig
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I want to find it. That's thirteen years later,
Speaker 5: two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: I know, crazy right so fast?
Speaker 3: I know it really has flown and it's sad, but
Speaker 3: it's also really nice to reminisce like this.
Speaker 5: I love that it's on Disney Plus so much, and
Speaker 5: it's just so easily accessible.
Speaker 4: BALI totally. What feeling does Glee leave you with?
Speaker 5: You know, it's changed, It's an evolving thing where because
Speaker 5: it goes from you know, so much this happiness, and
Speaker 5: there was a time where there was also just a
Speaker 5: lot of sadness where when I would think about it,
Speaker 5: I would feel just very rejected, or I guess not included.
Speaker 5: I pulled a picture on my phone. I just want
Speaker 5: to show you that. Let mean, I feel like this
Speaker 5: picture thanks for your sums up my Glee experience so well.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you could see it, but it's
Speaker 5: at the Golden Globes and I'm at the coolest party
Speaker 5: in the world. But I'm very much on the outside.
Speaker 5: But I'm so happy to be there, if that makes sense.
Speaker 5: So but then I also, I mean, there was elements
Speaker 5: of not feeling included, But then as the years went by,
Speaker 5: I've also come to the understanding and realized that it's
Speaker 5: not personal that you guys are together, you know, every
Speaker 5: day in your rehearsals and singing and dancing, and you're
Speaker 5: part of this very close.
Speaker 1: And it things.
Speaker 5: So it's not so much that I'm not included. It's
Speaker 5: just that's a very extra special thing that's for you guys.
Speaker 5: And at the time, I guess it could feel like
Speaker 5: actual high school and there's clicks and so I didn't
Speaker 5: feel like I fit in. So with some of that,
Speaker 5: and then people I still you know, you see tweets
Speaker 5: and stuff and people say things still and it gets
Speaker 5: to me. But then overall last year when we went
Speaker 5: to Liverpool, which Chen, I wish you could have went to.
Speaker 5: It was That's an amazing experience that before that, I
Speaker 5: was honestly feeling I guess down just on Glee and
Speaker 5: it really, you know, lifted me up so much with
Speaker 5: the people I met and just hearing the stories of
Speaker 5: how it's affected people. So in season four, episode two,
Speaker 5: I get beaten up.
Speaker 1: By a wooden umbrella. I think, Kevin, you might have
Speaker 1: witnessed this, and.
Speaker 5: I took a massive beating, like it really hurt, but
Speaker 5: pain is temporary, film is forever. And as I'm getting
Speaker 5: beaten up, britt Heather Brittany is saying leave me alone, JBI.
Speaker 5: And sometimes if ever I post something people or go
Speaker 5: on TikTok, they'll comment leave me alone, Jbi, And then
Speaker 5: I don't. I feel like, Okay, maybe they're just quoting
Speaker 5: a line, but sometimes I feel like they hate me
Speaker 5: and like because they'll comment and something that has nothing
Speaker 5: to do with anything telling me leave them alone, or
Speaker 5: if I comments on someone else's thing, right, And that
Speaker 5: was also my least favorite scene because I really felt
Speaker 5: like I did get hurt, I was bruised, I led,
Speaker 5: And so when they you and they're like, oh, I
Speaker 5: love what he got beat up, or people are celebrating
Speaker 5: and so and I hope not now that I'm saying
Speaker 5: this on the podcast, I could imagine they'll come and
Speaker 5: leave me alone because people they want and.
Speaker 1: They know it gets under your skin. And I'm admitting
Speaker 1: I would that one specific line. But I'm I had
Speaker 1: no idea if I was going to be on this podcast,
Speaker 1: and it was so meaningful.
Speaker 5: To be included, and it really it makes me so
Speaker 5: happy and it also just raises good feelings. I'm so
Speaker 5: glad and I really I'm so yeah, I'm just beyond
Speaker 5: grateful and for it to be here with you guys.
Speaker 2: We're all on the same team and we appreciate you
Speaker 2: being here. And I wish, you know, looking back, you
Speaker 2: know what if we had, if we could have done
Speaker 2: more to make you and Max and everybody feel included
Speaker 2: all the time, and it's it's just so refreshing. I
Speaker 2: think it important for you to get to like share
Speaker 2: your experience and to trust us and to come on
Speaker 2: here and you know, spend your time talking about all
Speaker 2: this too.
Speaker 1: That to us, Yeah, and everyone was always very nice.
Speaker 5: I just want to think that I wasn't when you
Speaker 5: you guys, weren't you know, like.
Speaker 2: Me get jet is terrible.
Speaker 4: No, But I think that thank you for sharing that too.
Speaker 3: I think it's part of this podcast is like we
Speaker 3: hope that this can be healing for people, like it's healing.
Speaker 4: For us in many ways. And yeah, like Kevin said,
Speaker 4: like I wish we were in a place where we
Speaker 4: could have done more, but I don't think we were
Speaker 4: even there either.
Speaker 3: And and not to make excuses for any of it,
Speaker 3: but I think we also within our circle sometimes felt
Speaker 3: like there were clicks and we were left out. There
Speaker 3: were you know, people on the cover of things and
Speaker 3: we weren't and included in things that we weren't.
Speaker 4: And it's hard to not take that personal.
Speaker 3: It's hard to not think one, am I not I'm
Speaker 3: not enough, I'm not doing enough, I'm not the you know,
Speaker 3: the main one. Like it's it definitely gets to you,
Speaker 3: especially when you're around it all the time, and it's
Speaker 3: it's what you live and breathe, right, like it's just inevitable.
Speaker 3: But I think over time, in hindsight able to look
Speaker 3: at it like you were realizing it's not against you
Speaker 3: and something personal, but it was something that we were
Speaker 3: experiencing that was also like we, if you will, were
Speaker 3: like trauma bonded in a very honest way. You know,
Speaker 3: there was a lot that we were taking on that
Speaker 3: didn't get to you know that only these people that
Speaker 3: we saw every day understood.
Speaker 1: And so I completely get.
Speaker 2: That, just like with you and Max were you like
Speaker 2: you and Max have a very similar experience, and so
Speaker 2: it's like whether you need to, yeah, you like latch
Speaker 2: onto those people who can understand this very specific and
Speaker 2: weird experience.
Speaker 1: It was so interesting.
Speaker 5: There was another thing that because as it comes up
Speaker 5: and down or as I'm feeling good, I remember during
Speaker 5: when it was the tenth anniversary, there were some people
Speaker 5: who posted some pictures celebrating ten years, and there were
Speaker 5: two pictures that I saw that I was in and like,
Speaker 5: I wasn't tagged, and so it made me, I guess
Speaker 5: that's something that made me feel and invisible. I guess
Speaker 5: without I won't I'm not going to say names, but
Speaker 5: and I know social media is so silly, but there's
Speaker 5: some people I've.
Speaker 1: Never been acknowledged.
Speaker 5: And I know that people have so many and maybe
Speaker 5: they miss it, but I because sometimes I feel like
Speaker 5: I'm one of the run of this group. But then
Speaker 5: you don't feel and I always wondered, huh, why not?
Speaker 5: And it's like, and I could make you feel bad,
Speaker 5: but then I know that's so silly if you're paying
Speaker 5: attention to who follows.
Speaker 3: Right, But it's inevitable at our day and age and
Speaker 3: to not you know, it's like, that's that's your your feelings,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, They're they're honest, and they're
Speaker 3: real and they're yours and that's what makes them true,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: And so I just.
Speaker 3: Hope that you feel included and you feel that Gale
Speaker 3: couldn't have happened without all of us and you. So
Speaker 3: I really do hope that we can kind of lift
Speaker 3: you up and give you those better memories and good feelings,
Speaker 3: because I mean, I've got a plenty of shitting feelings
Speaker 3: throughout this show, but I also have so many good
Speaker 3: that they outweigh those, And so I hope that you
Speaker 3: feel bad.
Speaker 5: And the most amazing thing when you watch the show.
Speaker 5: Or in twenty twenty, I durned Quarantine, I rewatched and
Speaker 5: it's so good and I think that it's easy to
Speaker 5: forget or just with so many years, but it's like, damn,
Speaker 5: this show is so good. Okay, I really do want
Speaker 5: to pride myself. I'm being a positive person. I feel
Speaker 5: like I'm not being as positive, but I'm just I
Speaker 5: guess it's therapeutic that I'm.
Speaker 2: Starting to get it out.
Speaker 3: No, definitely, things we feel your appreciation truly, like don't
Speaker 3: I don't feel like you're complaining.
Speaker 4: You're on here complaining. I do feel your appreciation for everything.
Speaker 5: One of the big men, the biggest, I guess, or
Speaker 5: sadness is or the final sadness. I know in the
Speaker 5: second to last episode it was called two thousand and nine,
Speaker 5: and they went back to like the first season and
Speaker 5: everyone was back and I wasn't and it's so and so,
Speaker 5: and that left me with sad feelings because I think, okay,
Speaker 5: I understand maybe you know the character was creepy or
Speaker 5: with it ever, but that it felt like.
Speaker 2: Everyone was back, and yeah, of course that's how do
Speaker 2: you not take that personally?
Speaker 5: That's it, right, And I don't know why, and it's
Speaker 5: but overall it's an amazing, amazing experience. But it's all
Speaker 5: just like anyone, like a human, your emotions they're off,
Speaker 5: they're down, and you know, back and forth, but overall,
Speaker 5: I'm a happy person. I love I love being on
Speaker 5: the show, and I wish we got to do more
Speaker 5: together on it, and.
Speaker 3: Same, I know, I know, Well, it's fun to rewatch
Speaker 3: and to really appreciate as a viewer versus like a
Speaker 3: cast member, and being able to appreciate the performances that
Speaker 3: everybody that we weren't didn't get to see as much
Speaker 3: an experience on set.
Speaker 4: And and you're one of those.
Speaker 3: It's like really to to watch the satire and and
Speaker 3: and acknowledge it as the satire that it is and
Speaker 3: and watch you like in your element.
Speaker 4: It's really great. And so's just really.
Speaker 2: Grappy have you to have to watch, you know, an
Speaker 2: actor be put in positions like having to be naked
Speaker 2: across from Jane Lynch is not an easy thing to
Speaker 2: do in regardless of what the assholes online say to you.
Speaker 2: I know you and did an incredible job and so
Speaker 2: that's all that's all you can control. That's all you
Speaker 2: can do is do the best at your job. And
Speaker 2: you were. You did that over again.
Speaker 5: Tell something to I want to get something else out
Speaker 5: there that the butt sweat on the that was not
Speaker 5: my butt sweat great because yeah, I got so criticized
Speaker 5: for how gross my butt sweat is.
Speaker 1: Not Ja that is, there was no it was special effects.
Speaker 2: People need to know, none of us are our characters.
Speaker 2: We look like our characters, but none of us are
Speaker 2: these actual characters. We are hired to play actors. There
Speaker 2: are props, there are teams who take care of these
Speaker 2: whole things like fake butt sweat, So leave him alone.
Speaker 3: Josh. We're just thank you for coming on, thank you
Speaker 3: for being so honest with us, thank you for sharing
Speaker 3: your experience, and also thank you for being.
Speaker 4: A part of the show. And we're just you know,
Speaker 4: I hope.
Speaker 3: I run into you again at our favorite place.
Speaker 4: But it was really love please, amazing, really good.
Speaker 3: I'm really no, I just it's really great to talk
Speaker 3: to you. I'm really happy to have you, so thank you.
Speaker 2: And being in Liverpool with you last year was a
Speaker 2: really great and special experience. And if any of those
Speaker 2: people are listening, you are the nicest bunch of people
Speaker 2: we could have ever spent time with that weekend and
Speaker 2: it was great and it was great to spend some
Speaker 2: time with you as well, Josh.
Speaker 5: I loved it was really the highlight of my twenty
Speaker 5: twenty two.
Speaker 2: For real, it was great. I had never been to
Speaker 2: Liverpool and just like the nicest, nicest people and all
Speaker 2: this Glee folks got to hang out for a couple
Speaker 2: of days. It was great. I'm jealous you were having
Speaker 2: a baby. It's fine, you're doing bigger and better.
Speaker 3: Very pregnant, and there was no world in which I
Speaker 3: was making it even though for an hour.
Speaker 4: Well we're we're so happy to have you. And look
Speaker 4: there's a ladybug. It's good luck and it's so cute. Anyway, John,
Speaker 4: thank you so.
Speaker 2: Much, Thank you, Josh. It's so good to see you.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Great to see you, guys. This is really nice.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: I hope that you guys appreciated his homisty as much
Speaker 3: as we did. Yes, because it makes me it's almost
Speaker 3: sad to think that he felt like he was on
Speaker 3: the outside, but also grateful that he had was he
Speaker 3: was able to share his piece and his you know,
Speaker 3: his experience, and you know, like all of us have
Speaker 3: kind of had like the peaks and valleys of emotions
Speaker 3: over the course.
Speaker 2: Simply and you know, when you get on a show
Speaker 2: that will be watched by people, it is a double
Speaker 2: edged sword. It's great to be a part of something
Speaker 2: that is being enjoyed by millions of people around the world,
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you are going to run
Speaker 2: in to a small portion of people who are terrible
Speaker 2: and say crazy, crazy things to you online, and that's
Speaker 2: just never okay. And Josh is like one of the sweetest,
Speaker 2: sweetest people and talented people, and you know, just remember
Speaker 2: that the people you're watching on screen are real humans
Speaker 2: with real feelings, and just because they're playing a character
Speaker 2: that you may not like doesn't mean that it cannot
Speaker 2: feel personal when you attack him. So remember that. Thank
Speaker 2: you Josh so much for coming on and being so honest,
Speaker 2: and big love to him because he's just a gem.
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