Speaker 1: So, y'all are not going to believe this. After I
Speaker 1: interviewed Danielle and Nick, obviously, I realized there's something still
Speaker 1: there between them, right, and I really wanted to facilitate
Speaker 1: a reconnection between them. But Danielle insisted and so did Nick,
Speaker 1: that it was just totally and completely over. I didn't
Speaker 1: really believe it.
Speaker 2: And guess what.
Speaker 1: Today On Danielle's Instagram there's a story that's popped up
Speaker 1: and it's a picture of her and Nick together and
Speaker 1: they're cuddling there.
Speaker 2: They look very close and cannutally, and it just said.
Speaker 1: Sup, Okay. I texted Danielle, I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 1: And she gave me some updates. I'm not allowed to
Speaker 1: say anything yet, but judging from the picture on Instagram,
Speaker 1: I think we can speculate that the.
Speaker 2: Bear minimum they're talking again. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I'm like on the Bachelor,
Speaker 1: like the Bachelor of intimate knowledge, you know, reconnecting people
Speaker 1: and just bringing lovers together.
Speaker 2: So stay tuned.
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep up with Danielle and keep up
Speaker 1: with Nick and see how this goes down. But you guys,
Speaker 1: if they are back together, I am so excited, first
Speaker 1: of all, in second all, I am marrying them.
Speaker 2: I will be remarrying them.
Speaker 1: So you heard it first here Danielle Rule and Nick
Speaker 1: Thompson likely back together, and I will be marrying them.
Speaker 2: It is wild how quickly.
Speaker 1: So much can change in love, either for the good
Speaker 1: or for the bad, as can be evidenced by Danielle
Speaker 1: Rule and Nick Thompson back together, ladies and gentlemen, after
Speaker 1: I spoke to both of them individually. Now, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, they're canoodling on a couch on Danielle's Instagram story.
Speaker 1: Obviously they're together in person. Unless it's an old photo,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's new, it's current, and it just says
Speaker 1: stup on it. I mean, I can just hear the
Speaker 1: church bells already singing that these two love birds have
Speaker 1: gotten back together, They've reconnected, And I'm going to take
Speaker 1: full credit for this if this is what's happening, which
Speaker 1: I believe it is, because they haven't spoken since last July,
Speaker 1: no contact, no nothing, and now here they are on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I mean that to me is an admission of at
Speaker 1: least couple status.
Speaker 2: Looks like it to me, at least You don't just get.
Speaker 1: Married to someone, get divorced from someone, and then go
Speaker 1: on and have a casual photo of YouTube together can
Speaker 1: noodling on the couch. They look like they have that
Speaker 1: energy in their eyes of just like pure and utter
Speaker 1: love and adoration for each other, which is what I
Speaker 1: think needed to happen. I literally texted Danielle and I said,
Speaker 1: you two really need to give this another chance. You
Speaker 1: need to redo on this, and voila, here's the picture.
Speaker 1: So this is how much can change in just a
Speaker 1: matter of a few days. When I did the interviews
Speaker 1: with them, it was before any of this happened. But
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna be able to listen and see
Speaker 1: how it all went down. I'm going to keep you
Speaker 1: updated on the entire timeline. So this is background info
Speaker 1: that now I'm you're all updated, but you can see
Speaker 1: and listen to exactly how it happened. So let's go
Speaker 1: into the interview and we're going to get the prequel
Speaker 1: to where we are now. This, ladies and gentlemen, is
Speaker 1: how you connect people and hook them up right here
Speaker 1: on intimate knowledge.
Speaker 2: This is what it sounds like.
Speaker 3: This is intimate knowledge with Megan King, it's a show
Speaker 3: about sex.
Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to Intimate Knowledge.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Meghan King.
Speaker 1: Can find them on Instagram at Meghan King's check out
Speaker 1: my Retreats. Some exciting things are coming up at Guya
Speaker 1: Haven Experience dot Com. Have a great show for you today,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start out by giving you a little
Speaker 1: life update, and then we have Nick Thompson from Love
Speaker 1: Is Blind on with us.
Speaker 2: He has some things.
Speaker 1: To say about reality television cast members and basic human rights.
Speaker 1: So this should be interesting with both of our experiences
Speaker 1: on reality televisions.
Speaker 2: But first things first. So it's past weekend.
Speaker 1: I went to a wedding with my for all my
Speaker 1: girlfriends from high school and with my friend Will. Will
Speaker 1: and I have sort of been dating for a little while,
Speaker 1: sort of, I mean we call each other friends, but
Speaker 1: like we're more than friends. And we had a talk
Speaker 1: because I think I'm getting to this place where I'm
Speaker 1: ready to have more of an intense relationship, more of
Speaker 1: a serious relationship instead of kind of just like this
Speaker 1: wishy washy dating thing that we've been doing for a
Speaker 1: few months now. So I told him that, you know
Speaker 1: how I felt that I really want some more in
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 2: I want more from this relationship, you know.
Speaker 1: I want phone calls in the morning and texts, and
Speaker 1: I want to check in about each other's days, and
Speaker 1: I want us to plan when we're going to see
Speaker 1: each other next before the you know, we we part
Speaker 1: are part ways. We don't live in the same city.
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, I don't think I'm in that
Speaker 1: place in my life, like I need X y Z,
Speaker 1: you need ABC, and that's why we're we're best friends.
Speaker 2: And I was.
Speaker 1: I told him it wasn't what I was hoping to hear.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm not mad about it,
Speaker 1: and we're so good as friends, and I think this
Speaker 1: is a great lesson for me.
Speaker 2: And it's not change.
Speaker 1: It doesn't change anything between us, but I think it's
Speaker 1: a great lesson for me and communication, which we always
Speaker 1: talk about on this show, and making sure that my
Speaker 1: have boundaries and my needs are met and a part
Speaker 1: of them have been very met for a long time
Speaker 1: and will continue to be. But I recognize that like
Speaker 1: where his limitations lie, and I applaud him for being
Speaker 1: so open and honest with me. There was no fight,
Speaker 1: no argument, no even hard I guess a little hard feelings,
Speaker 1: but honestly, I've like this has been one of the
Speaker 1: most honest, open, healthy relationships that I've ever been in
Speaker 1: in my life, and I cannot I just can't be
Speaker 1: more thankful for so happy to give you that update.
Speaker 2: Next up, we have Nick Thompson on the show. I'm
Speaker 2: a huge fan of Nick.
Speaker 1: He was on Love Is Blind season two and I
Speaker 1: watched every second of him and his shenanigans and his seriousness,
Speaker 1: and I am not surprised one bit that Nick is
Speaker 1: the executive director of Outreach for You Can, which is
Speaker 1: unscripted cast advocacy network. He just seems like a good
Speaker 1: guy with big feelings. So let's bring in Nick.
Speaker 2: Hello, Nick, Hey there, how are you? I'm all right,
Speaker 2: I have a nice setup.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, this is from my podcast I painted
Speaker 3: a wall blue?
Speaker 2: Oh cool? Well, I can't Plea's my favorite color?
Speaker 3: Mine too? Thank you?
Speaker 2: I think well, I think you're a blue aura.
Speaker 3: By the way, Oh du Teal.
Speaker 1: I was a huge fan of you and Danielle on
Speaker 1: the show on Love's Blind, like because you guys were
Speaker 1: from what I saw, you guys instantly connected and you
Speaker 1: were like the mom and dad of the group, and
Speaker 1: especially you. You were like very level and like you
Speaker 1: were thoughtful and like thorough, and so I really really
Speaker 1: loved watching you and watching you guys grow. As like
Speaker 1: other people kind of explored their relationships, I felt like
Speaker 1: you were exploring their relationships, not your own.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I appreciate that, I feel seen.
Speaker 3: Second of all, I kind of felt that way because
Speaker 3: I was asking people these questions that they like hadn't
Speaker 3: thought about. Yeah, I know, you think about this before
Speaker 3: you sleepwalk into a marriage.
Speaker 1: I know. And I was like, thank God for Nick,
Speaker 1: Like what where is everybody else? And that's what kind
Speaker 1: of what we're here to talk about too, Like the
Speaker 1: mental health help that didn't exist, but you were there.
Speaker 2: Thank God for you.
Speaker 3: Well, I know, right, at least someone there with a
Speaker 3: level had help people think about stuff. There's I just remember,
Speaker 3: like I worked. I was like interim CMO my work
Speaker 3: at the time, So I was just all day managing
Speaker 3: twelve people, and and so I didn't get to like
Speaker 3: associate with the cast outside of filming very long.
Speaker 2: I didn't take time off of work.
Speaker 3: I did for the Pods in Mexico. But when I
Speaker 3: got back, I had kind of maxed out at three weeks.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I did not know. It didn't seem
Speaker 1: like that. I remember there was an all cast event.
Speaker 1: I think it was like a cocktail party, and I
Speaker 1: think you guys were married at the time. No, maybe
Speaker 1: you were just like getting to the like on location somewhere,
Speaker 1: but you were like you wouldn't drink. You were like
Speaker 1: pretending that you were drinking and you wouldn't drink.
Speaker 2: Were you going back to work?
Speaker 3: Oh? Sometimes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were like I remember when and like the
Speaker 1: guys were taking tequila shots and you whispered to the
Speaker 1: bartender like just give me water.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was in That was the couple's reveal party.
Speaker 3: I actually wasn't going back to work. I was going
Speaker 3: back to to Danielle when she had her panic attack
Speaker 3: that I didn't know about, so, oh my god. Okay,
Speaker 3: but I did stop drinking, Like after there was one
Speaker 3: day I got kind of tipsy in the pods and
Speaker 3: after that I was like, I am not getting drunk anymore.
Speaker 3: This is why it was like two. I don't want
Speaker 3: to say risky, but like I could just see myself
Speaker 3: not doing my due diligence if I was drinking constantly
Speaker 3: I would still drink casually, but like some some people
Speaker 3: were just crashed.
Speaker 2: Did you do your due diligence?
Speaker 1: Then I thought, so did you were, didn't you?
Speaker 3: I mean I I think so, yeah, I do. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I always look at it like I I
Speaker 3: went in there thinking to myself, you know what, I'm okay.
Speaker 3: If I go home, I'm okay. If I get married,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter to me. Like I'm seeing it, this
Speaker 3: can help me find someone because dating sucks. I hate it.
Speaker 3: I'd stopped pretty much doing all the apps and everything,
Speaker 3: and I was like, maybe this is the way. So
Speaker 3: I just went in with that mindset of I'm going
Speaker 3: to just be myself and if it works great, If not, okay,
Speaker 3: go back to normal.
Speaker 2: Literally the opposite of the apps, complete opposite. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The only similarity is you have fifteen people instead of
Speaker 3: endless opportunities when you start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but don't you think they like they kind of
Speaker 1: like production kind of vets you guys out to see
Speaker 1: if you'd be like good, like who might be good together?
Speaker 3: Yeah. I actually have this new theory that I've been
Speaker 3: sharing that I've thought about. I actually think they have
Speaker 3: characters already determined that they want, and they go cast
Speaker 3: multiple people that could fill that role, and then when
Speaker 3: they get the person to fill that role, they send
Speaker 3: the other ones home.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, yeah, because they don't show every
Speaker 1: everybody on the show.
Speaker 2: Oh once the show's done.
Speaker 3: No, And once Danielle and I connected, they sent home
Speaker 3: like the other guys that had it together and had
Speaker 3: good jobs and were in their like mid thirties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did they connect with anyone though those other.
Speaker 3: Guys, Yeah, according to them, but who knows, right.
Speaker 2: So it was so you think it was highly produced
Speaker 2: on the back.
Speaker 3: End, I think so. I heard rumors that like they
Speaker 3: had actually heard this from Danielle, So I guess it's
Speaker 3: a rumor from that aspect, But that apparently like they
Speaker 3: had deep d and I together, we had the same producer,
Speaker 3: and that was kind of like where they were.
Speaker 2: Thinking the two of you would be together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I after our first seven minute date, I
Speaker 3: was like, no.
Speaker 2: No way.
Speaker 1: But she's like level and like she's smart and like
Speaker 1: she's very comprehensive. Like everybody seems to like her, Like
Speaker 1: that's kind of how.
Speaker 3: You Yeah, she's totally likable. She's just not my Like,
Speaker 3: it's not what I would look for. No, I don't
Speaker 3: want to sound like a dick. She's just she's not.
Speaker 3: She's not my.
Speaker 2: Tie, she's is she too intense for you?
Speaker 3: I almost feel like she she doesn't have the intensity.
Speaker 3: She's so even keel, like, I don't know what she is.
Speaker 1: I felt like she seemed intense, but maybe I was
Speaker 1: just thinking about because she that what that dick was
Speaker 1: saying to her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she gave him way too much slack before
Speaker 3: and after.
Speaker 2: Oh she did.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it was.
Speaker 2: It did not come that across that way to the viewers.
Speaker 3: I can't even well, she didn't know, like that guy
Speaker 3: got a good at it. I always say that he
Speaker 3: got a good at it, even though I thinks he
Speaker 3: got a bad one.
Speaker 1: That's what Danielle said, because Danielle was on the show
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and she basically said, the
Speaker 1: same thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah he got he was. The stuff he said at
Speaker 3: the reunion, the stuff he said after filming initially was
Speaker 3: just grotesque. I mean it like they didn't put some
Speaker 3: of it in there to protect her so that she
Speaker 3: didn't have to like hear it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, geez, it's intense.
Speaker 3: So gross.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me tell you why you're I think you're
Speaker 1: a blue or blue Auras are feelers. Oftentimes they take
Speaker 1: on someone else's emotion as their own, so it can
Speaker 1: be difficult to even like discern between like if you're
Speaker 1: fighting for something you believe in or if you're just
Speaker 1: feeling the other's intensity or emotion.
Speaker 3: That's so true, is it?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I have to like are thoughtful? Okay, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I've never heard about this before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like so there's certain psychics or
Speaker 1: like I guess, like highly intuitive individuals who can see
Speaker 1: colors around people and I don't see colors, but I
Speaker 1: can feel colors, and so.
Speaker 2: You're blue.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times people, whatever your favorite color
Speaker 1: is is like you're authentic or a color.
Speaker 3: That's interesting too because it used to be yellow when
Speaker 3: I was a kid.
Speaker 2: I could see you as a yellow.
Speaker 1: Oftentimes yellow boys are groomed out of being yellow because
Speaker 1: it seems like a more feminine sort of like persona.
Speaker 3: And that adds up with my childhood, does it?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Well you're probably have yellow as your
Speaker 1: secondary color too, if you're being authentic. So any anyways,
Speaker 1: it came across very strong. You were a lot of
Speaker 1: blue too.
Speaker 3: Notice I do thank you. You are very very observant.
Speaker 2: I am, I am well.
Speaker 1: I was a big fan of you when you were
Speaker 1: on the show, and I'm happy to have you back
Speaker 1: on here because I was interested in speaking to you
Speaker 1: about kind of the everything that blew up with Love
Speaker 1: is Blind this last season, and I was talking to
Speaker 1: Dan Yell about it too, and how there's basically no
Speaker 1: sort of or there's a massive lacking of mental health
Speaker 1: professionals on set and to give guidances support to people,
Speaker 1: especially in dating shows, going through that emotional roller coaster,
Speaker 1: and they're basically just like fed.
Speaker 3: To the wolves to say the least.
Speaker 2: Well, tell me about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they So they tell you that there is mental
Speaker 3: health support pre during m POST. I believe it was
Speaker 3: up to five thousand dollars in counseling post.
Speaker 2: Oh you have a monetary amount.
Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, I believe that's what it was. But what
Speaker 3: actually happened was there was a psychological evaluation in which
Speaker 3: I spoke probably a half hour an hour to a
Speaker 3: psychologist after taking a two or three hundred question questionnaire.
Speaker 3: And I don't know when it was, and I tried
Speaker 3: to look. I can't find it. But it's one of
Speaker 3: those where it asks you the same question over and
Speaker 3: over and make sure, yeah, exactly you in some moment
Speaker 3: that's exactly right. And so we did that and then
Speaker 3: you know, I've been in with my therapist now for
Speaker 3: six years. It was about four or five at the time,
Speaker 3: and you know, she was a big fan of season
Speaker 3: one and she was thinking, you know, this could be
Speaker 3: how you, you know, meet your person. You're authentic, you're
Speaker 3: you know, you're genuine, you know what you want, you
Speaker 3: know what you don't want. But she was concerned that
Speaker 3: I would walk into there and not have any support
Speaker 3: and not have like anyone like me, like similar to me,
Speaker 3: not actually like me. But so she asked if I
Speaker 3: would be okay if she talked to the show psychologists.
Speaker 3: So they had a whole phone conversation because she wanted
Speaker 3: to ask what type of support is there? This is
Speaker 3: an intense Yeah, this is an intense situation. You know,
Speaker 3: I just want to make sure that the stuff they're
Speaker 3: telling you is is accurate. Like this is a love experiment.
Speaker 3: Everyone's vetted. We're not looking for people that are influencers.
Speaker 3: We're not looking for people that want to be on
Speaker 3: the Bachelor, and you know, to to some extent, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess you have to have the drama, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because of you know, to make money.
Speaker 3: Exactly, which is the point there, That's exactly it. And
Speaker 3: so I get that, and like I was well aware
Speaker 3: of that side of it. What I wasn't aware of
Speaker 3: was the strenuous conditions of no food, no water, you know,
Speaker 3: or no food no water hardly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many times I asked.
Speaker 2: For water and yeah, let's just turn on your tap.
Speaker 3: In the hotel. You had to at some point, but
Speaker 3: who wants to talk out of a hotel bathroom, sink whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, Yeah, it's not ideal, that's not ideal for
Speaker 1: most people. But I like to live my life on
Speaker 1: the edge. So tap butter is just fine.
Speaker 3: Tap butter is just fine. Just don't ever run your
Speaker 3: finger under the nozzle because you will find some gross feelings.
Speaker 2: I'll just drink it first. Build that immune system up. Okay,
Speaker 2: and no food seriously, yeah.
Speaker 3: So they it was so no they they would not
Speaker 3: allow you to order room service. You did not have
Speaker 3: your wallet, your credit cards, nothing, so you couldn't do.
Speaker 2: What is the point of that?
Speaker 3: You know, at the moment, you're just kind of like, okay,
Speaker 3: I don't get it. And then they had, you know,
Speaker 3: breakfast every morning when we were in the pods was
Speaker 3: at the hotel, and it was from the cafe. I have,
Speaker 3: like I'm pretty picky about what I eat, you know,
Speaker 3: I have some restrictions, some preferences and stuff. They had
Speaker 3: all of this ahead of time, barely.
Speaker 2: Didn't respect it, barely.
Speaker 3: So like I'm gluten free, Like I'll get sick if
Speaker 3: I eat gluten.
Speaker 2: Okay, Like it's a pretty typical restriction.
Speaker 3: Right, right, And I don't eat pork and I don't
Speaker 3: eat chicken. That's really it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you're like sort of a vegetarian and gluten free,
Speaker 1: Like not that weird.
Speaker 3: Was I right, it's twenty twenty one whatever it is, right?
Speaker 3: And then I also intimate intermittent fast, So I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't eat breakfast, but like if I don't eat
Speaker 3: something for breakfast, then I might not eat again until
Speaker 3: dinner unless I want to eat like chex mix or whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, processed snack they had.
Speaker 1: It was not like that on the real house. When
Speaker 1: I was on the Real Housewives of Orange County. It
Speaker 1: was not like that. I think there would have been
Speaker 1: like a full scale uprising because we were like these
Speaker 1: princesses that needed to eat when we needed to eat,
Speaker 1: So like we were like we'd order all the room
Speaker 1: service and all of the things on the you know,
Speaker 1: it was a very indulgent show. The concept was different.
Speaker 1: But my sister was on The Amazing Race years ago
Speaker 1: and she got out pretty quickly. I think like second
Speaker 1: she was out and she went to Sequesterville, And it
Speaker 1: sounds more like what you're talking about her experience. She
Speaker 1: wasn't filming though, but because she was, she had already
Speaker 1: gotten kicked off. But like it's her experience was like
Speaker 1: no wallet, no credit card, no cell phone because they, oh,
Speaker 1: they didn't want anyone to tell you what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: That's what it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes me no spoilers.
Speaker 3: And I get the phone thing, like they tell you
Speaker 3: about the phone thing. I didn't think about it at
Speaker 3: the time, but like, what if something happened to me
Speaker 3: and I didn't have an id, Like what if the
Speaker 3: van goes off the road and on the way to
Speaker 3: the set.
Speaker 2: That's really odd.
Speaker 3: It's so odd.
Speaker 1: We had to like submit our passports and stuff before
Speaker 1: we traveled, so they had all of that for us.
Speaker 1: But my show had been on for ten seasons by
Speaker 1: the time I joined, so like they had it pretty
Speaker 1: dialed in.
Speaker 3: Which, by the way, I have so many friends. I
Speaker 3: can't believe that I'm on your show today.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, no way, that's so funny.
Speaker 3: I think they all are the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're fanning back and forth. I love that.
Speaker 3: But that's that's wild because I actually have so many
Speaker 3: And this goes to, you know, the color thing and
Speaker 3: the feeling thing. I have so many people over the
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks that have DMed me horror stories
Speaker 3: from this show.
Speaker 2: From Love Is Blind, Love Is.
Speaker 3: Blind, food shows, other reality shows, competition shows, game shows.
Speaker 3: The stuff that people are telling me. I can only
Speaker 3: do to a day. I will only read, so anyone
Speaker 3: who's listening to it too much for you, It's too much.
Speaker 3: I mean last night I was almost in tears hearing
Speaker 3: this woman's story about how she lost her business because
Speaker 3: people hated her so much that they went on and
Speaker 3: just flooded her business with bad reviews, and then they
Speaker 3: hacked her website, and yeah, hacked her website and just
Speaker 3: put all sorts of negative stuff up there. The only
Speaker 3: reason she came on social media was because she heard
Speaker 3: that we had started this this foundation, and she wanted
Speaker 3: to reach out and share her story.
Speaker 1: Before you were on here, I introduced you as the
Speaker 1: executive director of you Can, the Unscripted Cast Advocacy Network.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely so. The you Can Foundation is something that
Speaker 3: I started with doctor Isabelle Morley, who's a psychologist and therapist,
Speaker 3: and then Jeremy Hartwell, who was also on my season,
Speaker 3: one of the guys that went home relatively quickly, and
Speaker 3: he had started talking about this about a year ago,
Speaker 3: and my whole thought was, if we stick this with
Speaker 3: just being like about legal support, it's going to be
Speaker 3: it's not going to cover like what people actually need.
Speaker 3: So that's part of it. But the whole idea is
Speaker 3: that we can provide reality TV show cast members potential
Speaker 3: cast members, and then post show we can provide them
Speaker 3: and make sure that they have access to mental health
Speaker 3: services and legal services. Because these contracts, I'm sure you
Speaker 3: know you've signed a bunch of them, there are thirty
Speaker 3: forty pages. Sometimes you don't really understand the jargon. You
Speaker 3: don't really know what you're signing up for.
Speaker 2: I hired a lawyer, I had a friend. Yeah, my
Speaker 2: dad's a lawyer.
Speaker 1: And I still even hired an entertainment lawyer even though
Speaker 1: my dad's a lawyer, because it's a different world.
Speaker 3: Totally, totally. Well, that's good, but like you think about
Speaker 3: it this way though, who is the means to do that?
Speaker 2: That's the thing. And also, when you're in the middle
Speaker 2: of America, You're in Chicago, I'm in Saint Louis. We
Speaker 2: don't grow up around Hollywood. This is not how we operate,
Speaker 2: and so we don't have anyone giving us some sort
Speaker 2: of like toolkit telling us how to navigate this.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly it. And that's the kind of support
Speaker 3: that you know we want to do. And I actually
Speaker 3: got the idea to start kind of offering this with
Speaker 3: the Foundation because someone, a friend of mine reached out
Speaker 3: to me and this is in October, North Carolina. She
Speaker 3: had been cast in the show that's filming there right
Speaker 3: now for Love is Blind, and she was like, I
Speaker 3: related the most to you, and I would love to
Speaker 3: talk to you to find out if you can give
Speaker 3: me a little bit of a little more info, a
Speaker 3: little more context, so I can know if I'm making
Speaker 3: a good decision. We talked on the phone for eight hours,
Speaker 3: and yeah, because she was asking good questions, we kind
Speaker 3: of we became friends all this stuff. But the bottom
Speaker 3: line was, she.
Speaker 2: Opted out, and you'll fall in love with her.
Speaker 3: I don't think so we're a little too different, but
Speaker 3: oh god, yeah she is. She's a great person, but
Speaker 3: she opted out of doing it, and she actually knows
Speaker 3: someone that is in it, and she's still so grateful
Speaker 3: that she opted out of it because it's just such
Speaker 3: a horrible experience.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that with reality shows, especially like a
Speaker 1: big one, like you were in the season two of
Speaker 1: Love Is Blind, which was a big season, and season
Speaker 1: one was big, Season two was big. Season three that's
Speaker 1: the one that was just aired right season three or
Speaker 1: was it four of feel like they're kind of like,
Speaker 1: all right, people know what they're doing now, like they're
Speaker 1: going on to get famous, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like the Bachelor kind of like that Bachelor atmosphere kind
Speaker 1: of thing.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: But and when I went on the show, it was
Speaker 1: when social media was still growing, so I got this
Speaker 1: massive following to people, but I didn't really have anyone
Speaker 1: to explain to me how to deal with overnight fame,
Speaker 1: how to deal with internet trolls. Like, but the thing is,
Speaker 1: I was born with ridiculously thick skin. I don't know
Speaker 1: where it came from. I find find found myself counseling
Speaker 1: cast members who'd been on that show for the whole
Speaker 1: ten seasons because they couldn't take the heat. And I
Speaker 1: think I was just kind of born to be in
Speaker 1: this spotlight in the way that I am, because I'm
Speaker 1: really good at letting things just go off of my shoulders.
Speaker 2: But a.
Speaker 1: Good reality star is not going to be and typically
Speaker 1: not gonna be like that. They're going to be somebody
Speaker 1: who's like internalizing everything, and that's where we find our
Speaker 1: entertainment at the sake of these people's like internal turmoil.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, and I'm I'm the same way,
Speaker 3: Like I used to be very different, but like therapy,
Speaker 3: working on myself growing up, you know, being in my
Speaker 3: career and you know, just kind of being forced to
Speaker 3: be around so many different kinds of people, Like I
Speaker 3: figured out real quickly, like if I'm just confident, I'm
Speaker 3: just myself, Like I don't really care what people that
Speaker 3: don't know me think about me and take Yeah, so
Speaker 3: it's similar to you like taking that in like the trolls.
Speaker 3: The trolls like they don't bother me. They only bother
Speaker 3: me when either they're like literally cruel, or what they're
Speaker 3: saying could like hurt someone else, or if it comes
Speaker 3: from someone something someone else said, and it's like you
Speaker 3: only think that because someone else said something that's not true,
Speaker 3: and that kind of hurts. But otherwise I just let
Speaker 3: it bounce off me too.
Speaker 1: I think what surprised me the most though, was how
Speaker 1: much it might not affect me, but it affects people
Speaker 1: who love me when they read it, and like my
Speaker 1: mom or my sisters and my best friends, they want
Speaker 1: to like go after these people. And I could see
Speaker 1: that it was really hurting them, And like that makes
Speaker 1: me emotionally even just saying it now, because I never
Speaker 1: considered that that collateral damage.
Speaker 3: That's so true. And I had a friend that eventually
Speaker 3: like took out because like I said, I was busy
Speaker 3: at work. I had a friend that took over my
Speaker 3: social to delete mean comments and put in all the
Speaker 3: words and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I have somebody who does that with my ex husband.
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding with his.
Speaker 3: Z I might need that, I might need to borrow them,
Speaker 3: especially lately. But what was really hard at the time,
Speaker 3: And again I didn't even I didn't know what I
Speaker 3: was doing. Like you said, overnight fame, they don't you
Speaker 3: know what they told us in a thirty minute call.
Speaker 3: They said, here's here's a couple slow. If someone's mean
Speaker 3: to you, delete them and block them. Thanks, yeah, I know,
Speaker 3: thank you anything else? Yeah, it was so basically.
Speaker 2: They're probably like ten ninety nine employees who just want
Speaker 2: to go home.
Speaker 3: Or they could be w two employees, like all of
Speaker 3: the cast are, even though we're not considered employees. Oh
Speaker 3: no way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy that like SAG has a union and
Speaker 1: reality stars don't.
Speaker 2: It's like it's wild. I mean, I'm sure it's design
Speaker 2: by design.
Speaker 3: Oh, it totally is. And here's what I'm going to say.
Speaker 3: I posted this on TikTok just today. The Writers Guild
Speaker 3: of America the WGA, they're on strike. Every time they've
Speaker 3: gone on strike, I think it was nineteen ninety eight maybe,
Speaker 3: or maybe it was eighty eight. Reality TV pumped up.
Speaker 3: That's when cops got famous. The show cops went and
Speaker 3: blew up, and same in two thousand and eight when
Speaker 3: the writers went on strike. That's the boom that started
Speaker 3: reality TV. And so now we're at that point again
Speaker 3: and they can produce this stuff and all the crew
Speaker 3: they're all in a union, right, the producers.
Speaker 1: They have to shut down, they can only film certain
Speaker 1: amount of hours and they got to go home. They
Speaker 1: get bring in a night crew.
Speaker 3: You said it. That's what happened at Love is Blind.
Speaker 3: The only time we got a break was when they
Speaker 3: were swapping out their crew from the crew that had
Speaker 3: already maxed out the hours they're legally allowed to work
Speaker 3: for a day, had to go home. We stood there
Speaker 3: and filmed for another four six eight hours. Yeah, with
Speaker 3: a new crew. So that is awful, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: It's wild.
Speaker 1: I mean, filling does take a lot of energy because
Speaker 1: you have to be on at all times because anything
Speaker 1: that you do or say, or like even just side
Speaker 1: glance can be used against you totally.
Speaker 3: And my new thing with that is editing is lying
Speaker 3: in reality TV because they will literally take something that
Speaker 3: you say and then show a different angle and put
Speaker 3: that audio over it.
Speaker 2: Did they do that for you?
Speaker 3: They did not do that for me. They left a
Speaker 3: lot of context in a few scenes on the ground.
Speaker 3: But I've talked to other people that they've done that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, same, it had it never really happened to me
Speaker 1: unless it was like some sort of a pick up,
Speaker 1: you know, where I had to be like oh my
Speaker 1: and like say it on my zoom and then they
Speaker 1: insert it, you know, something like that. Yes, But okay,
Speaker 1: So I want to talk about this. This is what
Speaker 1: I've been really dying to talk to you about.
Speaker 2: Nick vile. So Nick Viele was on The Bachelor. Was
Speaker 2: he a Bachelor? I think he was.
Speaker 3: He was. He's been on no less than three hundred
Speaker 3: times with that in Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 1: So I have thoughts about Nick viel because, like, before
Speaker 1: we even jump into this, So I went on next
Speaker 1: podcast once in La and I was like newly singled,
Speaker 1: and I sat down with him. I did my little interview,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I think he was I think
Speaker 1: he was like flirting with me. I think he might
Speaker 1: be into me. And I was like, I think maybe
Speaker 1: I could be into him, and so let me see
Speaker 1: if I have a text with him.
Speaker 3: Actually, oh my gosh, we're gonna we're gonna out him.
Speaker 2: I don't think he cares.
Speaker 1: Let's see, Oh I did, Oh my gosh, I have
Speaker 1: like a full text conversation with Nick wow with Nick
Speaker 1: viel Well anyways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we totally were like flirting.
Speaker 1: Back and forth a little bit and then nothing, which
Speaker 1: like I don't like. I just felt like he was
Speaker 1: wishy washy and like a little bit confrontational. And I
Speaker 1: understand that, like we are about all about confrontation.
Speaker 2: That's we're in entertainment.
Speaker 1: You said no to doing this interview with Danielle because
Speaker 1: it wasn't good for your mental health, which I fully respect,
Speaker 1: but internally I was like, oh, man, because that would
Speaker 1: have been really interesting to see an interaction between the
Speaker 1: two of you.
Speaker 2: By the way, good for you for you know, knowing
Speaker 2: your boundaries.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: But back to Nick.
Speaker 1: So when I read this, it yet I sometimes wonder
Speaker 1: if he says bullshit like this just to get a rise.
Speaker 2: He says, what something like, oh, it's.
Speaker 3: Nice, star is fading.
Speaker 2: Your star is fading. Do you gotta pump it up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's what you do when you want to
Speaker 3: get famous. You started not for profit to help people,
Speaker 3: So he sees right through me. You know all the
Speaker 3: famous philanthropists and founders of not for profits out there, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're all They're all rich, they're living on their beautiful
Speaker 3: mansions in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: And it's just a distraction.
Speaker 1: Like his comments about what you're saying that you're basically
Speaker 1: discredit your entire experience. So you responded saying you'd have
Speaker 1: a conversation with him. But then what did he do?
Speaker 3: He turned off mentions basically lots you here's the funny
Speaker 3: thing too, Like I had a couple exchanges with Nick
Speaker 3: over DMS over the last year. Yell and I went fine, fine,
Speaker 3: Danielle and I went on his podcast virtually, but we
Speaker 3: went on it, and he was going to send me
Speaker 3: a copy of his book, which came out right around
Speaker 3: the time of my separation, and you know I never
Speaker 3: got it, which is whatever probably got lost in the mail.
Speaker 2: I got lost in the mail, for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So it was like totally friendly. And then
Speaker 3: there was another time he was in Chicago and you know,
Speaker 3: I was like, next time you're hear let me know,
Speaker 3: let's grab a drink, and he was, you know, open
Speaker 3: to it. He was here for his book, So he's
Speaker 3: here like in and out. Yeah, so we had like
Speaker 3: a couple friendly exchanges. And I guess where I get
Speaker 3: upset with how he handled this is he didn't invite
Speaker 3: a conversation. He spewed what sounded like propaganda straight from
Speaker 3: Netflix and Kinetic, and he just spewed it out there
Speaker 3: and then didn't invite any ulterior or alternative opinions or conversations.
Speaker 3: And he's got a giant platform and to punch down
Speaker 3: on someone who's trying to help people, whether you agree
Speaker 3: with it or not, instead of having a conversation or
Speaker 3: even asking me like do you want to have a
Speaker 3: quick call, and didn't even have to be public.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, this is my thought on that.
Speaker 1: I think Nick Vile is pretty like overall, he tries
Speaker 1: to put off this like persona of being self aware,
Speaker 1: and I just think that there's some room for improvement there.
Speaker 1: And in this circumstance, I think that Nick is probably
Speaker 1: projecting his own experience like back onto you with these
Speaker 1: harsh words, because I think he's probably like, look, I
Speaker 1: got famous from The Bachelor. I understood what it was
Speaker 1: coming with. Yeah, like some things really sucked, but like
Speaker 1: I can't complain now, so like fuck anyone else who
Speaker 1: wants to say that like it did some bad things
Speaker 1: for them, because like I'm living large and like I
Speaker 1: went through the same shit as you.
Speaker 3: I completely agree, and I'm not you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to attack his personality or anything like that. I
Speaker 3: think it is very much well.
Speaker 1: I don't want to attack his personality either. I think
Speaker 1: I might have gone too far with that. Like he's fine,
Speaker 1: but this this one really bothered me.
Speaker 3: Ye uh and for me when I think about this,
Speaker 3: like and again, I don't expect Nick Vile to know me.
Speaker 3: I don't expect him to.
Speaker 2: He does know you, you guys text DM.
Speaker 3: But the funny thing is is he also had he
Speaker 3: had a couple things that he said that are just
Speaker 3: not true, Like he said, Oh, there's so many more
Speaker 3: important things you could be involved with. Well, Nick, a
Speaker 3: simple look on my page you would see that I
Speaker 3: just organized in my city to get the mayor that
Speaker 3: I thought should be elected elected. And there's pictures of
Speaker 3: that happening right maybe three posts down. So don't say
Speaker 3: I don't do anything.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: But that's also not his business, Like why is he
Speaker 1: distracting from the issue.
Speaker 3: It's not the issue I know, but he wants to
Speaker 3: plant trees or something.
Speaker 1: There's more important things to be involved with than having
Speaker 1: a podcast. But that's what you do, Nick, Yeah.
Speaker 3: So well, and is my podcast. We talk about mental health,
Speaker 3: we talk about stigmatizing topics, we talk about culture, and
Speaker 3: I bring on experts, bring on journalists, I bring on therapists,
Speaker 3: all that stuff. He talks shit for a living on
Speaker 3: his podcast.
Speaker 2: It's like, don't throw stones.
Speaker 3: Right for him to like talk down to me without
Speaker 3: even taking a simple glance to see that, And he
Speaker 3: even said on it, Oh, I got all my information
Speaker 3: from my viewers. You guys are great. Well, you probably
Speaker 3: could have done a little more research. And then to
Speaker 3: just say, like, I'm not intelligent enough to monetize my platform.
Speaker 2: He said that, Yeah.
Speaker 3: He said, yeah, he said, he said, I'm doing I
Speaker 3: mean right. And it's actually like, Nick, I monetize my
Speaker 3: platform when it makes sense for who I am, because
Speaker 3: I'm authentic and I'm not about just making money to
Speaker 3: make money. I'm about doing the right thing, and to me,
Speaker 3: that means turning down a lot of opportunities because they
Speaker 3: don't align with my values.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've three hundred and thirty four followers, thousand followers,
Speaker 1: he has one point one million. He follows me, by
Speaker 1: the way, it says follow back, so I must not
Speaker 1: follow him.
Speaker 3: You must not follow him. I must probably unfollowed him
Speaker 3: after he was a jerk over text.
Speaker 1: I I know, I just get I just got like
Speaker 1: a weird vibe, like you just kind of rubbed me
Speaker 1: the wrong way, like kind of.
Speaker 3: What was that was that?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Would you you get three years ago? Two years ago?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think it was three, you know about three years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just just seems like a little honestly, we would
Speaker 1: probably butt heads because I think we would both have
Speaker 1: like really big opinions and it wouldn't be Yeah, no, Well,
Speaker 1: so what would what would you say to him if
Speaker 1: you were talking to him right now?
Speaker 2: What would you say to him?
Speaker 3: I would well, it would be it would depend a
Speaker 3: little on the context. But you know what I say
Speaker 3: to him now is don't don't punch down. You don't
Speaker 3: understand what my, what Danielle's, or what any other reality
Speaker 3: TV stars experience was. To project what your experience was
Speaker 3: when you went on four shows, I believe it was
Speaker 3: one time on the Bachelor, one time on the Bachelrette,
Speaker 3: and two times in paradise, and to equate that to
Speaker 3: every other reality show that we have out there and
Speaker 3: then say that the barometer is fain the barometer is followers. Right,
Speaker 3: that's his whole thing. That's why she shot down.
Speaker 2: I do understand that part of it. So that's part
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, yeah, I get that there
Speaker 2: is a trade off here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't do this for followers, like I did
Speaker 3: this to see if I could find love.
Speaker 2: I didn't do it for followers. I did it for
Speaker 2: a job. But but then I never got a job,
Speaker 2: but I got followers. So it's fine.
Speaker 3: Hopefully you're smart enough to monetize your platform.
Speaker 2: That's what's going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I would just say to him, you know,
Speaker 3: don't don't project your experience on everybody else. Have a
Speaker 3: little bit of empathy because I, like I said earlier,
Speaker 3: I have so many dms of people that have been
Speaker 3: through horrific experiences. And I went through my horrific experience,
Speaker 3: and I went through, you know, with Danielle, all of
Speaker 3: the things that she went through, and that was not easy.
Speaker 3: And the fact that I couldn't get the show to
Speaker 3: help us at all after the fact, let alone during
Speaker 3: the fact and the fact that they promised that, and
Speaker 3: that's part of the agreement that you have to go
Speaker 3: on the show and you can't get it. It's it's
Speaker 3: a disaster and people's lives are.
Speaker 1: It is Nick And I saw that a lot with
Speaker 1: Kelly Dodd on the show. She's kind of she's like
Speaker 1: it has a big personality, and we have publicly butted
Speaker 1: heads on numerous occasions, and I think, like I remember
Speaker 1: the first season she was on, I was like really
Speaker 1: worried about her, and they said the same thing to
Speaker 1: us on The Real Housewives. There is mental health support.
Speaker 1: We met with a counselor for like a whole entire
Speaker 1: twenty minutes on the phone, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And that was that, Like I didn't think about it though.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit of a different time, like
Speaker 1: streaming wasn't It wasn't what it is like. It really
Speaker 1: wasn't around actually in two thousand and fifty, which is
Speaker 1: like wild to think about.
Speaker 3: It was just Netflix.
Speaker 1: It was only Netflix then, yeah, and Netflix was like
Speaker 1: if you had you know, you were like upper middle
Speaker 1: class kind of thing. It wasn't normal. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: typical thing.
Speaker 3: The lower middle class just got the DVDs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, But.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just it seems like Nick Vile is potentially
Speaker 1: like believes that his foundation of fame and influence has
Speaker 1: been built on a fragile foundation and that if we
Speaker 1: pull back that curtain, that it might all fall apart
Speaker 1: from out from under him.
Speaker 2: What do you think.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. I think that's possible. And I also
Speaker 3: think at the same time that he he's in a sandbox,
Speaker 3: I say, in the middle of a desert, and in
Speaker 3: that sandbox, the only reason people do this is for
Speaker 3: fame and anything else doesn't matter. If you if you
Speaker 3: have mental health issues, if you are publicly harassed, this
Speaker 3: is just what you signed up for. But you're in
Speaker 3: a desert of people that like don't understand that, and
Speaker 3: you know, because you've been through it, you don't really know.
Speaker 3: Until you're there, you can't know.
Speaker 2: And that goes with every life experience. And that's victim blaming.
Speaker 1: And like, I really really want to put a spotlight
Speaker 1: on victim blaming, and because it tries to shift the
Speaker 1: narrative to say that the victim is wrong here when
Speaker 1: really you're just just the victim is just sharing their experience,
Speaker 1: like nothing will take away from that experience. So it
Speaker 1: really like what Nick is doing with this is just
Speaker 1: really really really irks me.
Speaker 3: Me too, and I my whole thing is again, I
Speaker 3: don't think we're trying to destroy reality TV. We're just
Speaker 3: trying to make sure that people get disport. I know
Speaker 3: it's not I'm not trying to I'm not even trying
Speaker 3: to destroy Love is Blind. I just want I lived this.
Speaker 3: Nick did not live Love is Blind.
Speaker 2: I wonder if Love is Blind has gotten better, like,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, like on the back end, no.
Speaker 3: So my trip. I met with some various cast members
Speaker 3: throughout the seasons last week, and it doesn't sound like
Speaker 3: it's gotten better.
Speaker 2: What are you going to do about it?
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get people to share their stories and
Speaker 3: share their experiences, but everyone is so scared of getting
Speaker 3: sued that no, no one is like, full force, let's
Speaker 3: let's do this.
Speaker 2: Are you afraid of getting sued?
Speaker 3: I got nothing to lose. They probably will, they'll.
Speaker 2: Try to issue a gag order or something.
Speaker 3: Possibly. Yeah, but here's the thing. I'm not giving away
Speaker 3: like secrets to production. I'm telling the truth.
Speaker 2: I don't think they'll come after you.
Speaker 3: I think it would be a bad look, but I'll
Speaker 3: wear it.
Speaker 2: If you sign something that said you wouldn't talk, just the.
Speaker 3: Typical NDA that we all sign. But there's so much
Speaker 3: money wrapped around at that people are terrified again sued
Speaker 3: for millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: So with the Real house.
Speaker 1: It was the same kind of thing, right, we couldn't
Speaker 1: talk about it, yeahda yeah, But then they Andy Cohen
Speaker 1: just like worked with this reporter Dave Holmes, who he
Speaker 1: used to work for People, and he took a leave
Speaker 1: of absence to write a book about the insides and
Speaker 1: of the Real Housewives franchises, and it was it was
Speaker 1: endorsed by Andy Cohen, and like I did an interview
Speaker 1: with him.
Speaker 2: I haven't read it yet, somewhere in here, Oh it's out, okay,
Speaker 2: I thought, oh yeah, it's like.
Speaker 1: Ben out And I gave an interview, and I gave
Speaker 1: an interview with like every insider info, like when they
Speaker 1: screwed up the production or editing, when they like everything
Speaker 1: that happened, what actually happened when Lizzie got fired and
Speaker 1: what all of this, and it's all printed and like
Speaker 1: that was done on purpose.
Speaker 3: So I.
Speaker 1: Kind of feel like in the age of where the
Speaker 1: internet is and the dissemination of information that you talking about.
Speaker 1: This probably doesn't come as that huge of a surprise
Speaker 1: to a brand new show like Love Is Blind that
Speaker 1: hasn't really gotten like dialed in how their production and
Speaker 1: their food and they're they're like whatever the leaders are called, producers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the producers and the runners and all those people.
Speaker 2: You know, there's all kinds of people. Because like they
Speaker 2: they could have been like one person who screwed up
Speaker 2: the food and then they get fired the next season.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean it's possible. I think it's
Speaker 3: interesting that it was just so consistent and it was yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, And of course they did apologize in Mexico.
Speaker 2: I think it was Mexico.
Speaker 3: It might have been when we got back. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: executive producer came over like this doesn't represent us, blah
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. But then it just continues.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I love what you're doing, like pulling back
Speaker 1: the curtain. I think that's a great term to really
Speaker 1: describe what's happening. And I personally, like in my my
Speaker 1: heart hearts, believe that this is going to be a
Speaker 1: trend that is going to like pick up steam and
Speaker 1: change will be made, and I don't know if it
Speaker 1: will be in the way of some sort of you know,
Speaker 1: reality show union like I think of like I think
Speaker 1: of uh not, Love is Blind, ninety Day Fiance, which
Speaker 1: I love that show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have people from ninety Day Fiance they reached
Speaker 3: out to with horror stores.
Speaker 2: They don't know what they're.
Speaker 1: Doing, Like these people are like, I mean, no way
Speaker 1: in Helle do they know what's about to happen to
Speaker 1: their lives or like how to even like read the
Speaker 1: contract probably so like exactly, I mean you could be
Speaker 1: a fully educated person like me and and still hire
Speaker 1: an entertainment lawyer, you know, to read the contract. Like,
Speaker 1: there's no way these people know what they're getting into.
Speaker 1: So like, in order to have like some sort of
Speaker 1: consistency throughout the industry, it will be necessary to go
Speaker 1: to some sort of unionized is shrout?
Speaker 3: I completely agree, And I never thought that I'd be
Speaker 3: a union organizer. I'm pro union for the most part,
Speaker 3: but I guess I'm maybe at the foundation of becoming,
Speaker 3: you know, helping us become a union, because I think
Speaker 3: it's it's basic human rights that for some reason, Reality
Speaker 3: TV cast have escaped the evolution of labor laws, and
Speaker 3: it's true. Then, on top of that, the damage to
Speaker 3: someone's mental health. And let me let me pose this
Speaker 3: to you. If there was a psychologist or a mental
Speaker 3: health professional on the set for Love Is Blind, as
Speaker 3: they claimed, wouldn't Danielle's panic attack be the perfect opportunity
Speaker 3: for that person to show up. I'm here, let me navigate.
Speaker 3: We're not going to film until she's ready to film,
Speaker 3: or go get Nick. Let him know. Because they sent
Speaker 3: me in there, I had no idea she had a
Speaker 3: panic attack.
Speaker 2: They didn't do did they film her panic attack?
Speaker 3: So it happened, and then they filmed host while she
Speaker 3: was still coming down. I would say, that's not really
Speaker 3: my place to say, but you know, as far as
Speaker 3: I could tell, right she had had it. And then
Speaker 3: they came and they didn't get me. They told her
Speaker 3: we were going to film. They told me she's not miked.
Speaker 3: Go in there and tell her about the couple's party,
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay. I had asked them to
Speaker 3: put one of the producers that she and I really
Speaker 3: liked outside her door in case she did get anxious
Speaker 3: and needed someone to talk to. They didn't do that
Speaker 3: after they said they would. These were all things that
Speaker 3: like they said they were going to do, they didn't do,
Speaker 3: and you know, sending me in there to film, and
Speaker 3: just not telling me what was going on, Like didn't
Speaker 3: even tell me Danielle at a panic attack, We're still
Speaker 3: going to try and get this scene. I probably wouldn't
Speaker 3: have said yes to that until she was okay, but
Speaker 3: they just didn't care. They just sent me in there. Anyway,
Speaker 3: It's such a.
Speaker 1: Weird fine line filming a reality show where like we
Speaker 1: were the talent, but we're all so it's our real
Speaker 1: life and it's our real feeling. So it's tough to
Speaker 1: stow that line. I can imagine how tough that is.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously for the talent, but the producers as well.
Speaker 1: And I'm playing devil's advocate a little bit here, not
Speaker 1: saying that what they're doing is right, because it wasn't,
Speaker 1: because like you weren't treated like a human in that situation.
Speaker 1: Like if you make a promise, put x y Z
Speaker 1: producer out the door, outside the door, then follow through
Speaker 1: in the promise, Like I just think that sounds pretty
Speaker 1: simple to me.
Speaker 3: Well, and that producer, by the way, ended up quitting
Speaker 3: a few days later because she didn't like how they
Speaker 3: were treating us.
Speaker 2: Really, will she talk?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I've I've pushed her to some of
Speaker 3: the journalists that have come out, but I haven't seen
Speaker 3: anything from her. I should catch up with her, but
Speaker 3: I don't know. They're scared too. I mean one of
Speaker 3: our producers got to cease and assist a few months
Speaker 3: ago or maybe what more like a year ago? He
Speaker 3: posted literally like a behind the scene picture that he
Speaker 3: took of Danielle in my wedding.
Speaker 2: I mean those are like, I freaking collect season desist
Speaker 2: so whatever. Like I have a pile of them. I'm like, funny,
Speaker 2: it does not just U no kidding.
Speaker 1: I got one from on the day of the reunion
Speaker 1: when I exposed a guy for faking cancer. I got
Speaker 1: one on the day of the reunion and I literally
Speaker 1: brought it on the reunion. I ripped it up and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is how I feel about your
Speaker 1: season desist like f you.
Speaker 3: Well, that will be the tactic I take, but I'll
Speaker 3: probably have to be like an Instagram reel and on TikTok.
Speaker 1: We'll keep me posting on everything and come back if
Speaker 1: you have any updates. I have like so many more
Speaker 1: questions to ask you, but I think this this conversation was.
Speaker 2: It was I was.
Speaker 3: I hear if you Yeah, I do too. I'm here
Speaker 3: if you want to ask more questions.
Speaker 1: Okay, well I think we were pretty much at time
Speaker 1: right now, but maybe we could follow up again in
Speaker 1: the future.
Speaker 2: Are you in a relationship right now? We got to
Speaker 2: talk about love a little bit.
Speaker 3: Oh No, I am still healing my wounds, I guess
Speaker 3: from all of this. This all happened very quickly. I
Speaker 3: feel like I was processing everything in slow motion, and I,
Speaker 3: you know, I just don't I don't want to waste
Speaker 3: someone else's time. I don't want to waste my time
Speaker 3: knowing that, like you know, my heart's still broken over
Speaker 3: all this, so I don't want to I'm sorry, and
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that to somebody else.
Speaker 2: So no dating apps, not going, not on the paral. No, sorry,
Speaker 2: ladies off for now. So celibacy is your route. God
Speaker 2: bless all right, Well, thank you so much, Nick.
Speaker 1: This has been wonderful and thanks for all you do
Speaker 1: with you can and I am a supporter and I
Speaker 1: will be outspoken to help you and help do whatever
Speaker 1: I can to affect change and mental health advocacy within
Speaker 1: Real TV.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for that. I appreciate it, and
Speaker 3: thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: Yeah great, all right, So as I get off this
Speaker 1: interview with Nick, the first thing that comes to my
Speaker 1: head is, shit, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't ask about Danielle. We just had Danielle in the
Speaker 2: show last week. But y'all, he seems so so wounded.
Speaker 1: I don't want to like bring that up right now. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I know that he's not talking to Danielle. He didn't
Speaker 1: want to have an interview with Danielle. He literally just
Speaker 1: told us that he's still looking his wounds after this
Speaker 1: traumatic experience and breakup that he's had, and he's not
Speaker 1: over that experience yet, and he's still, you know, processing.
Speaker 1: So I think that we have our answer. He doesn't
Speaker 1: talk to Danielle. Does I wonder if he still loves her.
Speaker 1: I would have to venture to say that's going.
Speaker 2: To be a strong no. But maybe he's, you know, like.
Speaker 1: The opposite of love is in TTE, the opposite of
Speaker 1: love is apathy. So he might not quite be to
Speaker 1: the apathy portion of his healing, but I'm sure as
Speaker 1: hell that it's not the love part either, so you know, well,
Speaker 1: I think that kind of wraps it all up. But
Speaker 1: Nick seems like such a good guy. He seems like
Speaker 1: the exact same guy he was on the show, maybe
Speaker 1: a little shyer actually than I thought he was on
Speaker 1: the show. But next week we're gonna get Danielle back here,
Speaker 1: so we're didn't cover all the things that we didn't
Speaker 1: talk about. I know, Danielle was just on, but now
Speaker 1: I have Nick. Now I have more to talk about,
Speaker 1: and I you know, I can see kind of their
Speaker 1: personalities and how they balance each other.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited to chat with her next week. Thank
Speaker 2: you guys for.
Speaker 1: Listening this week's episode of Intimate Knowledge, because if I know,
Speaker 1: you know, okay.
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