Speaker 1: This is Intimate Knowledge with Megan King. It's a show
Speaker 1: about sex. Hello everybody, and welcome back to Intimate Knowledge.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Meghan King. You can find me
Speaker 1: on Instagram at Megan King.
Speaker 2: Check out my retreats a guyhavenwellness dot com. So today
Speaker 2: we're gonna go over a few things and talk to
Speaker 2: you about some headlines. There's a really weird one that
Speaker 2: I want to start with. Super's kind of funny though,
Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna tell you what's been happening in
Speaker 2: my life lately.
Speaker 1: I went to a medspa.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you about that, give you updates on
Speaker 2: my relationship status and where that stands, and where we
Speaker 2: go from here. And then we're gonna wrap it up
Speaker 2: with an interview with Danielle Rule. We had her on
Speaker 2: a couple weeks ago, but then I got to interview Nick,
Speaker 2: herrect husband, So I want to wrap back to her
Speaker 2: and give her my thoughts on that interview and see
Speaker 2: if they might have gotten closer because they're coming together
Speaker 2: and talking about mental help.
Speaker 1: So let's get right into it. First of all, this first.
Speaker 2: Headline is gnarally you guys, all right? So at the
Speaker 2: la Philharmonic. That's a that's an opera. Hal okay, people
Speaker 2: are watching, you know, this beautiful symphony and this is
Speaker 2: the quote. There's some conflicting reports. Some say it looked
Speaker 2: like she had awoken from sleep, possibly a medical issue.
Speaker 2: Others claimed it sounded very much like an orgasm. One
Speaker 2: person said quote the sound from the audience member was
Speaker 2: wonderfully timed to a romantic swell in the symphony.
Speaker 1: One can't know exactly.
Speaker 2: What happened, but it seemed very clear from the sound
Speaker 2: that it was an expression of pure physical joy, a
Speaker 2: sort of classical music equivalent of that scene in a
Speaker 2: movie where someone is talking loudly in a party or
Speaker 2: a nightclub and then and then the recording suddenly stops
Speaker 2: and they say something that everyone hears.
Speaker 1: All right, So I read this article.
Speaker 2: This woman had a full blown orgasm while watching the symphony.
Speaker 2: Her husband was sitting.
Speaker 1: Next to her and was like very proud of himself.
Speaker 2: I cannot imagine, Like what was happening? I wanted, why
Speaker 2: isn't anybody talking about was there any movement going on?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What is was she wearing like.
Speaker 2: A remote control vibrator or something? This is I don't
Speaker 2: know how I feel about this, because nobody's identified this woman,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't seem like she left.
Speaker 1: It kind of seemed like she stayed.
Speaker 2: Was this all just a big rumor or like, is
Speaker 2: it just something that got blown out of proportion because
Speaker 2: it sounds, you know, like like it would be funny.
Speaker 2: I've never listen, I've never gotten caught having sex in public.
Speaker 2: I've never have I had sex in public? I have,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, like I'm not that risky.
Speaker 2: I mean I have had sex I guess outside. But
Speaker 2: if I would actually get get caught having sex, I
Speaker 2: think I would feel so exposed and vulnerable. That would
Speaker 2: not be a fun experience for me. It would be traumatic.
Speaker 2: So that's not really something I feel. Like if you
Speaker 2: are engaging in a sexual act and someone else is
Speaker 2: watching that doesn't know that they're going to be watching
Speaker 2: a sexual act, it's almost like it's like a dick pic.
Speaker 2: If you get receive a dick pic and you're not
Speaker 2: expecting a dick pic, that's a.
Speaker 1: Fucking power move And I don't like it.
Speaker 2: And so it's like you did there was no consent
Speaker 2: in your reception of this photo. There's no consent in
Speaker 2: someone else seeing you have sex publicly, and I just
Speaker 2: think I find it incredibly offensive and a power move
Speaker 2: and wrong. And but like this woman didn't seem like
Speaker 2: she was trying to be out in the.
Speaker 1: Open or whatever. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Anyway, that's that was a fun one to talk about.
Speaker 2: So a couple days ago I went to the medspot. Y'all,
Speaker 2: this beautiful medspa over in Effingham, Illinois. It's a tiny,
Speaker 2: tiny little town in Illinois. They sent me a little
Speaker 2: plane over to Saint Louis to pick me up a
Speaker 2: couple of my friends up. We fly over to Illinois
Speaker 2: and we do some procedures. Got these Lippi's right here,
Speaker 2: got these puffed up And guess what I tried?
Speaker 1: I tried this chair.
Speaker 2: I guess it's called chair. It's called impsala, And so
Speaker 2: what it is. It kind of looks like a toilet bowl.
Speaker 2: It's a round seat with a back, and you sit
Speaker 2: on it and with fully closed And the point is
Speaker 2: that you are supposed to it's supposed to like tighten
Speaker 2: your pelvic floor so it reduces your erring continence.
Speaker 1: It's like doing like ten thousand kee gels or something.
Speaker 1: And it's supposed to improve orgasms. So I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: signing me up.
Speaker 2: So I sit on this chair and it's like this
Speaker 2: magnetic radio frequency or something, and they're like, yeah, you'll
Speaker 2: know when it's in the right spot. I'm like, am
Speaker 2: I gonna have an orgasm? They're like, yeah, maybe if
Speaker 2: you sit in the right way. I'm like, what, Like
Speaker 2: this feels very weird to be sitting here and having
Speaker 2: this happen with everyone watching me.
Speaker 1: So I sit on the chair, I turn it on.
Speaker 2: I'm like whow, Like I can feel the tingles right there,
Speaker 2: and I kind of have to sit there like with
Speaker 2: my legs spread apart so it can like get up
Speaker 2: in there. And so I'm like moving around making the
Speaker 2: right spot, and like it didn't. I don't think I
Speaker 2: could have had an orgasm from it, for that's for
Speaker 2: damn sure. But like it kind of felt good, but
Speaker 2: it mostly felt fine, Like it mostly just it wasn't uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't comfortable. It was just a sensation that
Speaker 2: was unusual. So I'm sitting there and there's two protocols,
Speaker 2: so I do the first one for a little bit
Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, like you can turn this
Speaker 2: up or something and then they put me. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll do protocol too, which is like the more intense one.
Speaker 2: So they turn me up to Protocol too. I sit
Speaker 2: on this machine for the longest amount of time that
Speaker 2: you can sit on it with the highest intensity one
Speaker 2: percent that you can have, and on the most intense protocol,
Speaker 2: I do it. I'm sitting there for like thirty eight
Speaker 2: minutes straight. You can't wear like I couldn't wear my
Speaker 2: Garmin watch because apparently, like the magnets in it would
Speaker 2: get screwed up and like my watch.
Speaker 1: Might stop working. So I did this. I get up,
Speaker 1: I get off.
Speaker 2: Everything's fine, Like I don't really I kind of felt
Speaker 2: it in my glutes actually, like it was kind of
Speaker 2: helping my glutes.
Speaker 1: My glutes are actually a little bit sore.
Speaker 2: So yesterday was my first day with like it was
Speaker 2: the first day after the treatment that I had on
Speaker 2: the solid machine. I wake up, I'm laying in bed,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god, it felt like below
Speaker 2: my belly button. Someone had gone up inside me and
Speaker 2: just like churned it all up with like just really
Speaker 2: toss that salad, but like deep up in me.
Speaker 1: I was in so much pain.
Speaker 2: It was like it was like I was having contractions
Speaker 2: like baby, like I was having a baby. It was
Speaker 2: but dullar, but like wouldn't stop, and it was and
Speaker 2: I was like, am I gassy?
Speaker 1: Like am I gonna have my period?
Speaker 2: It was just fucking miserable to the point or it
Speaker 2: hurt to sit down so much. So like I guess
Speaker 2: maybe if I was stretched out standing up that kind
Speaker 2: of like help relieve some of the pain.
Speaker 1: I took I reprofen to try to help with it.
Speaker 2: I I couldn't believe how bad it hurt. I texted
Speaker 2: the mud spot and they're like, yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess it's working. And then they said that the second
Speaker 2: day it gets worked. Oh wait, hold on, holy shit,
Speaker 2: this is so embarrassing. So right after I had it done,
Speaker 2: we like go to dinner. Hours past we go to
Speaker 2: dinner and I go to the bathroom and I pull
Speaker 2: my pants down. I ship my pants. I was like,
Speaker 2: I ship my pants. I was so embarrassed.
Speaker 1: I took.
Speaker 2: I had no idea it was like a lot, but
Speaker 2: it was like there's definite poop on my aunties, and
Speaker 2: so I like discreetly take them off and like throw
Speaker 2: them away in the trash, can you know? And I
Speaker 2: walk out and I say to my friends Jim and Jeremy,
Speaker 2: who were there with me. I was like, you guys,
Speaker 2: I shit my pants, Holy shit, oh my god, what
Speaker 2: is going on with me?
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, they said that could be a.
Speaker 2: Side effect because everything loosens before it tightens, and it's
Speaker 2: like it's like getting it's so intense. I guess initially
Speaker 2: that it has to like, you know, get to working. Yesterday,
Speaker 2: I felt like somebody was like up in me, like
Speaker 2: messing around with my insides, and it was so painful.
Speaker 2: And then this morning now I'm like, I'm still like
Speaker 2: it still hurts a little bit, but I'm okay. But
Speaker 2: I'm like there's definite stuff happening in the GI track
Speaker 2: and everything.
Speaker 1: And I was talking to the medspot owner Tara.
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, what, just think about how amazing
Speaker 2: your orgasms are gonna be some so much pain. I
Speaker 2: was like, I cannot think about an orgasm right now,
Speaker 2: Like that's just more contractions of those muscles. That is
Speaker 2: not where I'm going with this. So now that I'm
Speaker 2: finally improving and I'm not shitting my pants anymore, and
Speaker 2: I'm not having to take pain meds to like get
Speaker 2: over this. Yeah, I'm gonna see if my o's are
Speaker 2: stronger and better and supposedly easier to achieve. So I'm
Speaker 2: very excited to keep you guys posted on all those
Speaker 2: dirty details because clearly I'm not afraid of sure update
Speaker 2: with the man situation. So I I'm.
Speaker 1: So okay with with where we are.
Speaker 2: I really really love having a best friend in this
Speaker 2: man and not a romantic partner. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 2: think that, you know, if everything was perfect, I would
Speaker 2: have my best friend as my romantic partner this breath
Speaker 2: even this best friend. But at the same time, I
Speaker 2: I'm really happy with just having a best friend.
Speaker 1: So what happened was we were.
Speaker 2: At this wedding and I said, look, look, we've been
Speaker 2: dating for a few months and this has been wonderful
Speaker 2: and it's exactly what I wanted to be involved in,
Speaker 2: something that's not very serious and it's more friend like.
Speaker 1: But now I'm at the point where.
Speaker 2: I'm ready to take the next step and like have
Speaker 2: that level of commitment that a traditional boyfriend girlfriend relationship
Speaker 2: would involve. And He's like, listen, like we're in two
Speaker 2: different places in our lives and that that's just I
Speaker 2: don't think that that would be healthy for either of
Speaker 2: us to jump into right now, because He's like, I
Speaker 2: don't think that we're going to make each other happy
Speaker 2: with the expectations that we have of this relationship. Well,
Speaker 2: you know what I wanted to be versus what he
Speaker 2: wanted to be. And I was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: You're right, and it was so healthy and so honest,
Speaker 2: and we nothing changed between how we acted with each other.
Speaker 2: But it was definitely, you know, back to that friend zone,
Speaker 2: and I am so glad it's there. But I also said, look,
Speaker 2: I'm going to date other people, like all right, because
Speaker 2: I do want a boyfriend now, Like I am in
Speaker 2: a place where I'm like, all right, I do miss
Speaker 2: that sense of security that comes with having a boyfriend.
Speaker 1: I don't miss dating.
Speaker 2: And I'm probably not going to be like out, you know,
Speaker 2: gunning to go in like a million dates like I
Speaker 2: happened in the past. I'm very comfortable with myself, but
Speaker 2: I am ready for a place where I'm getting that
Speaker 2: commitment from a partner. And I had my friends Tim
Speaker 2: and Jeremy in town the other day, and Jeremy actually
Speaker 2: woke up with my kids, took them to school, made
Speaker 2: him breakfast, he'd let me sleep in and it was
Speaker 2: so sweet. It meant so much to me, and it
Speaker 2: also reminded me, look make like this is what a
Speaker 2: partnership could look like, you know, an actual partnership like
Speaker 2: people loving, like my partner, loving my kids and being
Speaker 2: involved with my children. And even though Jeremy's gay and
Speaker 2: had a husband sleeping in the guests bedroom in my basement,
Speaker 2: it was nice to know that, like, I don't have
Speaker 2: to necessarily get that sort of fulfillment from a romantic relationship.
Speaker 2: I can fill them with platonic relationships as well. And
Speaker 2: that's been an incredible lesson that I've been living these
Speaker 2: past few months within my current dating relationship and then
Speaker 2: just cultivating my friendships with my good girlfriends and guy
Speaker 2: friends as well.
Speaker 1: So ladies and gents, I am on the browl watch out.
Speaker 2: I mean sort of, I'm like brilliant mom mode, Like
Speaker 2: it's Friday and any Friday that comes up, any Friday
Speaker 2: can come up, and I'm like, it's Friday, It's my week,
Speaker 2: and I get to chill with my kids and like
Speaker 2: be a mom. That's literally what I look forward to
Speaker 2: on the weekends, like hang out with my kids. Okay,
Speaker 2: we have Danielle Rule with us. She was on season
Speaker 2: two of Love is Blind. I'm excited to talk to her.
Speaker 2: I want to bring her in and get all of
Speaker 2: the updates on her take on mental health on Love
Speaker 2: is Blind and how that relates to what her ex
Speaker 2: husband Nick is talking about. So let's bring in Danielle Rule. Danielle,
Speaker 2: welcome back to intimate Knowledge. Danielle, you were just on
Speaker 2: the show with us from you're from Love is Blind
Speaker 2: season two. I look, like I said before, I loved
Speaker 2: you and Nick on the show. You guys were like
Speaker 2: the mom and dad of the season, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to talk to you again because there's been more drama,
Speaker 2: basically more tell all that's been happening as far like
Speaker 2: as far as you know Love is Blind and production
Speaker 2: and the mental health of the cast members. And I
Speaker 2: had a chance to talk to Nick the other day.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, he got on the show and we
Speaker 2: chit chatted amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was good. I mean, I know you're
Speaker 1: trying to connect us. I wanted we were talking.
Speaker 2: About I was going to go out to Chicago as
Speaker 2: we're all three gonna get together.
Speaker 1: It was gonna be great.
Speaker 2: But Nick wanted nothing to do with that. He does
Speaker 2: not want to be in the same room with you.
Speaker 2: He does not want to talk to you.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't. I guess, like the grieving processes
Speaker 3: are different right where. I think at first I was
Speaker 3: probably in that headspace and now I've kind of like
Speaker 3: moved past any like negativity when it comes to him,
Speaker 3: and unfortunately he just like isn't in the same place.
Speaker 2: It was interesting, like I didn't I felt like I
Speaker 2: didn't want to really dive in with any questions that
Speaker 2: were super duper personal with him because honestly, he felt
Speaker 2: a little guarded to me. And do you feel that too,
Speaker 2: or like was he always like that?
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean I haven't talked to him since, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we broke up. Like it was funny. I was with
Speaker 3: Kenny from the Battery. We were we went to VLA
Speaker 3: Plus together and he was like, I haven't seen Nixon
Speaker 3: Solid Plus.
Speaker 1: I was like me either, Oh really?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean Nick, he's a nice guy, is thoughtful and
Speaker 2: pensive and like just has a he's kind it seems
Speaker 2: to have a very big heart. But I felt like
Speaker 2: if I you know, ask him many questions about you
Speaker 2: or something that I might yeah, be like of offending
Speaker 2: him or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I was I read the room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you read the room.
Speaker 1: I read the room. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he was like, no, I don't want to, you know,
Speaker 2: go on with Danielle. I don't think that's good for
Speaker 2: my mental health. And I and I brought this up
Speaker 2: in the like when I was interviewing him. I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I would love for you guys to
Speaker 2: be in the same room together, because I think that
Speaker 2: would be great entertainment, to be totally honest and frank, like,
Speaker 2: that would be great entertainment for me and for the listeners.
Speaker 2: But it's but like I respect him for putting his
Speaker 2: mental health first and whatever that means to him. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm
Speaker 2: doing the same thing that you and Nick are speaking
Speaker 2: out about, and like what happened with love is mine,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like it's all just this
Speaker 2: doggy dog world in the entertainment and it's all at
Speaker 2: the expense of you, of Nick of you know so.
Speaker 2: And I want to say I'm sorry, but I'm not,
Speaker 2: Like I'm not sorry because this is what, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of what we're doing. You know, if we put
Speaker 2: ourselves out there, we're putting ourselves out there. However, you
Speaker 2: want to make sure that you're you're being protected, and
Speaker 2: so tell me about your tech, your not your tiktoks,
Speaker 2: tell me about your reels that you put on Instagram recently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's interesting. Everyone's like, why are you talking
Speaker 3: about this now? But if you were to paid close
Speaker 3: attention to like every single podcast that I did and
Speaker 3: every interview that I've done, I've been talking about this
Speaker 3: since day one. I've gotten so many like slabs on
Speaker 3: the risk before. Really, but no one Yeah, but no one,
Speaker 3: you know, like was paying too much close attention. No
Speaker 3: one listens to every single podcast Danielle Rule is on right, right.
Speaker 3: But it came this this Business Insider article that had
Speaker 3: a wide breath of different contestants on it and had
Speaker 3: a lot of reach. And so because that article went viral,
Speaker 3: now us speaking out about it is getting a lot
Speaker 3: more attention. Okay, so what did the articles say, Like
Speaker 3: in brief, Yeah, the article was just kind of talking
Speaker 3: about the really bad working conditions while on the show,
Speaker 3: So lack of food, lack of water, lack of sleep,
Speaker 3: just some of the like emotional destruction that it can have.
Speaker 3: One thing that I thought was interesting is they actually
Speaker 3: had a PA anonymously give a comment that they confirmed
Speaker 3: that when we as contestants asked for water in the pods,
Speaker 3: that they would be told they would intercept it. They
Speaker 3: would either be told not to give it to us
Speaker 3: or to bring a champagne alongside it. And we have
Speaker 3: these like conspiracy theories in our head right that they're
Speaker 3: doing it on purpose, but you know, but sometimes you're like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe they just like didn't have the time
Speaker 3: or forgot, or we're doing something else. But hearing that
Speaker 3: a PA literally said that they were intercepted when asked
Speaker 3: to bring us water was us and it just like
Speaker 3: confirmed everything for me.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's the PA that Nick was telling
Speaker 1: me about. He says, one quit.
Speaker 3: And uh, yeah, that was ours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because she she didn't like that.
Speaker 2: You know, you asked for support and it was like
Speaker 2: with your favorite producer and that was denied to you.
Speaker 1: That's what Nick explained to me.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then she subsequently quit and I was like, well, Nick,
Speaker 2: well maybe you know she could get to talking.
Speaker 1: He's like, well or someone. I was like, could someone talk.
Speaker 2: And he's like maybe maybe, So I wonder if it
Speaker 2: was her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, potentially. But actually when I posted the reels,
Speaker 3: I got dms for multiple pas and wranglers who talked
Speaker 3: about not only the experience for the cast members, but
Speaker 3: explaining that their experience as pas and the crew members
Speaker 3: was terrible as well. So they had really bad working conditions.
Speaker 3: And so she wasn't the only one who quit. I
Speaker 3: know that. She said that she quit because she couldn't
Speaker 3: handle the way that we were being, you know, treated,
Speaker 3: but they were also being treated a certain way as well.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: So okay, so you like you said this, You've been
Speaker 2: talking about this, but you know, maybe people haven't been
Speaker 2: following so closely. So why now, why is this just
Speaker 2: coming out at this point in a big way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, so, Jeremy Hartwell had put out a lawsuit,
Speaker 3: and because I asked that too, I was hesitating it.
Speaker 3: Jeremy Hartwell he was in our season. He's best friends
Speaker 3: with Nick, but he wasn't shown.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: He did a lawsuit, and because I asked business inside
Speaker 3: or two, I was like, do I engage myself in
Speaker 3: this or not, and he they said that for a while,
Speaker 3: they have been investigating the behind the scenes of the
Speaker 3: production company coming out of that lawsuit, and they had
Speaker 3: reached out to everyone that I know. Like, I remember
Speaker 3: one of the guys that worked on my team who
Speaker 3: was a part of production. He's like, the they reach
Speaker 3: out to you and I was like, yeah, He's like,
Speaker 3: they reached out to me. How did they find me?
Speaker 3: I was like, probably IMBB, but they literally reach out
Speaker 3: to everyone. And then ultimately like, that's why I think
Speaker 3: it blew up is because so many different people were
Speaker 3: talking about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, so talk to me about Nick Vile, and he
Speaker 2: had some choice words about this whole situation, essentially saying
Speaker 2: that like, well, he said Nick specifically, his star is fading,
Speaker 2: and so that that's why he's doing this, you know,
Speaker 2: to bring attention back to himself. And and you commented
Speaker 2: on Nick Vile's comments as well, didn't you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, talk about I was heated.
Speaker 3: I was heeded.
Speaker 1: I didn't like what he said, what Nick's said.
Speaker 3: The thing is is that I know the relationship that
Speaker 3: Nick Viole has with Kinetic, and so again I have
Speaker 3: these conspiracy theories and they're oftentimes right, but instead of
Speaker 3: suing us because that would bring more attention, I think
Speaker 3: that that was maybe one of their ways to discredit
Speaker 3: the things that that we were saying. Right, And so
Speaker 3: he was speaking so confidently, like, I know they had
Speaker 3: food and water. I guarantee they had food and water.
Speaker 3: They're getting these free Coachella tickets. We literally paid for
Speaker 3: our Cotelo tickets. Like That's one of the stupidest lies
Speaker 3: that he told. But I'm just like this idiot, like,
Speaker 3: how can you guarantee that we had food and water? Like,
Speaker 3: how can you guarantee what we're paying for? What we're
Speaker 3: not paying for? Like it was just such a bizarre
Speaker 3: thing to listen to, but it is weird.
Speaker 2: Does Nick have this like really really good really who's
Speaker 2: Kinetic and and was his relation satic?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So Kinetic is the production company that produces Love
Speaker 3: is Blind, and the head of pr she is really
Speaker 3: really close with Nick and that's why he did so
Speaker 3: many Love is Blind people on his podcast because of
Speaker 3: their relationship. Yeah, and so oftentimes what they want him
Speaker 3: to talk about. I've been on the podcast. I know
Speaker 3: how the relationship works, and so I know kind of
Speaker 3: like the behind the scenes of what happens. That's why
Speaker 3: I have these assumptions as to why he might have
Speaker 3: said the things that he did. But again, it's not
Speaker 3: like I had that confirmation.
Speaker 2: But yeah, right, right right, I mean, okay, so what
Speaker 2: did you say about Nick's comments?
Speaker 3: So he had said more than what was just in
Speaker 3: the podcast. I had some other people send me some
Speaker 3: videos that said that I talk about suicide and mental
Speaker 3: health for attention, which is very child for me because
Speaker 3: it was, Yeah, that was hard for me to talk
Speaker 3: about in the first place. Ever kidding, yeah, no, And
Speaker 3: so that's what really triggered me. Yeah, I was a
Speaker 3: frustrating for him to ask, like he was so confident
Speaker 3: about the behind the scenes stuff, So that was one thing,
Speaker 3: and then also just the whole you deserve it kind
Speaker 3: of thing, like you signed up for this. So that's
Speaker 3: kind of what instigated my reel because I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: you have a million followers who you're saying all of
Speaker 3: this negative stuff about me and my ex and I'm
Speaker 3: going to stick up for myself. And it was interesting.
Speaker 3: I had so many others or contestants reach out to
Speaker 3: me after that saying thank you for standing up to him.
Speaker 2: Do you, like, do you think that there's something with
Speaker 2: the love shows that maybe is more conducive to this
Speaker 2: type of treatment or like potentially like because I I
Speaker 2: the reason I'm asking is because when I was on
Speaker 2: the Real Housewives, I didn't feel like I didn't feel
Speaker 2: the same way that you and Nick. Yes, felt when
Speaker 2: I was on the Housewives, But I wasn't looking for love.
Speaker 2: I wasn't being vulnerable in the way where I was
Speaker 2: like putting my whole self out there and potentially spending
Speaker 2: the rest of my life with a stranger like you
Speaker 2: did and then did it because you got divorced, But
Speaker 2: like I was, you know, just basically being myself and
Speaker 2: like showing what I'm doing with my life. Right, So
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm asking is, do you think that, like,
Speaker 2: because you were on a show about love, it changed
Speaker 2: the dynamic?
Speaker 3: Yes? And no. I think one obviously, like to have
Speaker 3: someone fall in love with another person and then marry
Speaker 3: them in such a quick time, there has to be
Speaker 3: a lot of, you know, different behind the scenes things
Speaker 3: that make you a little bit you know, like oh yeah,
Speaker 3: like I'll do this and you're like bringing.
Speaker 2: Up stuff from your past because you're trying to get
Speaker 2: to know somebody, so you're like, okay, well, if they're
Speaker 2: really gonna know me.
Speaker 1: They got to know all of me.
Speaker 2: And then you're digging up and you know, hard things
Speaker 2: are just it doesn't even matter, just emotional things in general.
Speaker 1: That's depleting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really hard, you know, like bringing up
Speaker 3: every single past traum and telling it to someone that
Speaker 3: you just met and talking about it every single day
Speaker 3: with production.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said you over shared at one point you
Speaker 2: felt like you alway shared.
Speaker 3: Yeah. One thing that I think is interesting though, is
Speaker 3: you know, I now know a lot of different people
Speaker 3: who are in a wide broad of different shows. And
Speaker 3: there's two things that I've found. One, you know, we're
Speaker 3: getting paid, like we're we don't know what we're doing.
Speaker 3: You know, this is our first rodeo, so it's a
Speaker 3: lot easier to be brainwashed by you know, production, which
Speaker 3: is when I went on after the Altar a truly
Speaker 3: different person, and you're treated a lot better your next
Speaker 3: time around. So I know people who are on Love
Speaker 3: Is Blind that went on Perfect Match and they were
Speaker 3: treated entirely better because you know, there's longevity. So me
Speaker 3: and then we're going to go on another reality show again, right,
Speaker 3: But if you're on a reality show where there's multiple
Speaker 3: different seasons, they're going to treat you in a different way.
Speaker 3: I remember one of the producers on Love Is Blind
Speaker 3: worked for The Hills previously, the most recent you know iteration,
Speaker 3: and he was like, this is nothing like anything I've
Speaker 3: ever experienced really, So yeah, So I think that's one thing.
Speaker 3: But in addition to that, I have friends who were
Speaker 3: on other Netflix shows that were produced by a different company,
Speaker 3: and then they also went on Perfect Match and they
Speaker 3: said that it was a much worse experience. So it
Speaker 3: it it's like part of the production company, and it's
Speaker 3: also part of like, Okay, these people have been on
Speaker 3: shows like for multiple like multiple different Netflix shows, or
Speaker 3: you know, we want them to stick around. And so
Speaker 3: I think, like, you know, if you're on like a
Speaker 3: one season dating show, you're just gonna be tossed to
Speaker 3: the side after that, unless you're someone that they're gonna
Speaker 3: want to you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, So what do you what changes do you
Speaker 2: think need to be made immediately?
Speaker 3: I think like mental support on set in general, I
Speaker 3: think that that's really important. I think more consistent food
Speaker 3: and water would be nice. I know there was like
Speaker 3: two days that Nick and I like went without it.
Speaker 2: I think food is bananas to me. The water I
Speaker 2: just to drink it out of the tap.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, screw it.
Speaker 3: We didn't have a tap?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, So on set everything was fake. So the
Speaker 3: the sink wasn't actually a sink.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, didn't you have a sink in your
Speaker 1: hotel room?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we were filming, so like, that's another thing
Speaker 3: when it comes to lack of sleep. So we would
Speaker 3: have to be in like the car to go to
Speaker 3: set at six am. We would be done filming at
Speaker 3: three am. It's about an hour drive from the hotel
Speaker 3: to the set. We're on set almost all day. We're
Speaker 3: not sleeping because you to get ready for the next day.
Speaker 3: And people are like, oh, well, why don't you wear
Speaker 3: makeup when you're doing interviews. Obviously you have to wear
Speaker 3: the same exact hair, same exact makeup, same dress every day.
Speaker 1: So yeah, even though you don't have it's not all
Speaker 1: happen in one day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you don't have time to sleep. I was drinking. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would drink the tap water in the hotel all day,
Speaker 3: you know. I wasn't worried about that. It was it
Speaker 3: was in the pods.
Speaker 2: Oh, where you weren't given food and water? Yea, what
Speaker 2: the heck weren't you like ding ding ding, I'm hungry.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, that's why I said that. When the PA
Speaker 3: said that, they intercepted it, like I thought that was crazy.
Speaker 3: And they would bring in at like like maybe we
Speaker 3: would eat at like ten pm in between day dating
Speaker 3: and night dating, and they would bring like you know,
Speaker 3: food over like during those time periods, and then there
Speaker 3: were just like snacks sometimes, but like in terms of
Speaker 3: like actual meals, it would be like, you know, you
Speaker 3: go very a pretty good amount of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean okay, So then I have to be
Speaker 2: Devil's advocate and push back and ask ask like how
Speaker 2: much of that is on you? Just like advocate for yourself,
Speaker 2: Like wait a minute, no, I need a break, because
Speaker 2: I do know that when I was on set with
Speaker 2: the Housewives, there would just be days that could go
Speaker 2: long or longer, very long, especially with the interview days,
Speaker 2: because like if your look wasn't right and they'd have
Speaker 2: to like send it in and then like the crew
Speaker 2: could time out or whatever.
Speaker 1: And then the jay stretched out.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, hello, like I need somebody to call,
Speaker 2: like some food in or something.
Speaker 3: We did that all the time. I would like Mike,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, hello, can you bring something? Honestly, though, like,
Speaker 3: and I talk about this too, Like my Pod experience
Speaker 3: is way different than my experience post Pods, So I
Speaker 3: never really talked about food and water until Mexico, Like
Speaker 3: that was the main time where I felt it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so like my the Pod things, like I because I've
Speaker 3: been speaking about this for a long time, but the
Speaker 3: Pods was never necessarily like my trigger point. I had
Speaker 3: a different producer in the Pods than I did in
Speaker 3: Mexico and all of the future episodes, So I'm not
Speaker 3: as like triggered by anything in the Pods because I
Speaker 3: really liked the producer I was working with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So are you afraid of any repercussions happening
Speaker 2: after coming forward with your story?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So yes, I am waiting every day for an
Speaker 3: email to come. But they know some of the things
Speaker 3: that happened illegally with me, specifically behind the scenes with
Speaker 3: my supervising producer that I could I should have went
Speaker 3: to the police about. Honestly, I was talking with a
Speaker 3: lawyer and you feel the police. I'm not gonna say
Speaker 3: because I am just going to they known't No, I can,
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna wait because if they come after me,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be like, oh really, you want the world
Speaker 3: to know this, this and this. So I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for an email. But I'm like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: like they're in a way worse spot if they do that.
Speaker 1: Well in your in your real I was listening to
Speaker 1: you're afraid of getting fined fifty thousand dollars? What was
Speaker 1: that all?
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, yeah, so once you sign the contract,
Speaker 3: there's like a fifty thousand dollars fine if you leave,
Speaker 3: but you can get the producer's approval. But I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously if everyone leaves, they're not gonna have a show.
Speaker 3: So it makes sense, right because they're investing from that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and like transparently, I never once heard them threatened that.
Speaker 3: So when I was when I would ask to leave,
Speaker 3: it was more so like convincing us to stay and
Speaker 3: then saying like you're gonna have to pay a Fyg're in,
Speaker 3: So it's in the back of your head, but it's it.
Speaker 3: I never actually heard them like threaten anyone.
Speaker 2: I was talking to Nick about basically how he thinks
Speaker 2: that there needs to be some sort of like more
Speaker 2: or less lobbyist lobbying group for reality talent, especially since
Speaker 2: the Writer's Guild went on strike, And he says, like,
Speaker 2: when the White Writer's Guild goes on strike, there's an
Speaker 2: uptick in reality shows, which also would you know, theoretically
Speaker 2: say there's an uptick in like abuse of talent on
Speaker 2: reality shows. So do you do you agree? Do you
Speaker 2: think there should be some sort of a union type
Speaker 2: of idea.
Speaker 3: I think a union, yeah, something along the lines. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 3: in terms of that stuff, I'm not as educated. I'll
Speaker 3: be straight up. I think, like one thing that I've
Speaker 3: found super helpful is just after speaking out about like
Speaker 3: some of the Love is Blind stuff, I've had so
Speaker 3: many people reach out to me speaking out about their
Speaker 3: experiences why be on the Bachelor and married at first
Speaker 3: sight and so like having a community of people like
Speaker 3: just kind of even talking together, like, That's what I've
Speaker 3: found super beneficial. So, I mean, even in something in
Speaker 3: that kind of sorts.
Speaker 2: Just to like be in solidary with a group that
Speaker 2: understands it's important for mental health.
Speaker 1: So it's mental health Awareness month May.
Speaker 2: What would you say to somebody who's struggling on a
Speaker 2: reality show like Love is Blind.
Speaker 3: It's so hard because I'm still struggling and so I
Speaker 3: don't always take my own advice in terms of like
Speaker 3: mental health in the real world, you know, like it's
Speaker 3: I have so much to say in terms of mental health. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and in terms of reality shows, it's hard. Like if
Speaker 3: I was speaking to another contestant, you know, it's interesting.
Speaker 3: I was actually talking to someone who was on Merit
Speaker 3: at First Sight and she like, uh, had a conversation
Speaker 3: with me, and she's like, I never, you know, experienced
Speaker 3: depression or anxiety, but I had my first panic attack
Speaker 3: during filming, and I became suicidal after filming. And this
Speaker 3: is before the show aired. And hearing that, you know,
Speaker 3: and I'm always there like, oh, yeah, Danielle had mental health,
Speaker 3: that she's going into it whatever and what I did.
Speaker 3: But there are a lot of people who are like, yeah,
Speaker 3: like this has completely changed my life in the fact
Speaker 3: that I now have these thoughts that I never had before.
Speaker 3: And that's why I think again like getting together and
Speaker 3: realizing like no matter like what your background is there
Speaker 3: are certain things that happened behind the scenes, and it's
Speaker 3: different for everyone based on the ethics of producers that
Speaker 3: that can really trigger you. And and so that's like
Speaker 3: why I would just say, like, you know, reach out,
Speaker 3: Like if you're feeling a certain way after going on
Speaker 3: an experience, it's like you're probably not the only one
Speaker 3: who's feeling that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good points.
Speaker 2: Okay, So with everything that you've said to me and
Speaker 2: everything that Nick said me, you guys seem to agree
Speaker 2: on everything.
Speaker 1: Literally, like your.
Speaker 2: Experiences match up, your your thoughts, your your reactions, everything
Speaker 2: matches up. And I've noticed you haven't said one bad
Speaker 2: word about him. He hasn't said one bad word about you. Actually,
Speaker 2: when I was interviewing him, he had a lot to
Speaker 2: say about how they treated you, like he had like
Speaker 2: emotional reactions to like your poor treatment. And honestly, like,
Speaker 2: I just feel like there's some sort of bond there
Speaker 2: between you two that we're not discussing.
Speaker 1: Can you talk to me about that?
Speaker 3: Well, I think that that's probably why we can't still
Speaker 3: be in the same room. Why I'm gonna start crying,
Speaker 3: because like you know, it's hard, like we can't like it.
Speaker 3: You know, our divorce was really really hard because it
Speaker 3: happened over tess right, and like the fact that the
Speaker 3: last time I saw him was lallapalooza, Like there's no
Speaker 3: real closure there. In the way that I acted right
Speaker 3: after the divorce, I was kind of alluney to him
Speaker 3: because like not having closure, not being able to have
Speaker 3: a conversation, just getting divorced publicly without even being able
Speaker 3: to talk to him, I didn't act the best and
Speaker 3: so I think that's part of the reason that he
Speaker 3: probably has a lot more.
Speaker 1: Than he hurt.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but it's also like I think, especially with
Speaker 3: all this going on, I'm like, god, I just want
Speaker 3: to talk to him. Yeah, you know, because I see
Speaker 3: him supporting me.
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys both support each other on both ends,
Speaker 2: and yeah, and you're not speaking. I was going to
Speaker 2: ask if it's brought you together anymore.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, it's nice that we're standing together, but
Speaker 3: it hasn't like brought us together. We haven't really like
Speaker 3: had a conversation, which is hard too, Like I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I wish we could just talk about this.
Speaker 2: You know, have you tried to reach out to him
Speaker 2: at all?
Speaker 3: No, I mean I think that the ball is in
Speaker 3: his court. I think he knows that I'm kind of
Speaker 3: like past it. We Actually he had drunk texted me
Speaker 3: and it kind of sparked like one of the first
Speaker 3: conversations if he had, and I think he knows it
Speaker 3: was actually I think it was a couple of months ago.
Speaker 3: But like when that happened, I was like, I just
Speaker 3: told him, you know, like I'm I'm in this place
Speaker 3: if you know, I'm here if you ever need anything.
Speaker 3: So I think he knows that. I think if he
Speaker 3: were to ever come to me, but like again, like
Speaker 3: I'm going to respect his boundaries right now and wait
Speaker 3: to see until he's ready to like have a conversation.
Speaker 2: Do you think that there would ever be a world
Speaker 2: in which you could see yourselves getting back together?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think honestly, Like again, I am going to be
Speaker 3: incredibly transparent about how I'm mature. I acted right after
Speaker 3: the divorce in terms of like some of the things
Speaker 3: I was posting on social media. It's one of my
Speaker 3: biggest regrets, and I think that it is it was
Speaker 3: too much to even like if we, like if we
Speaker 3: wanted to get back together. I still think that there's
Speaker 3: love there, there's hate there too, but it's just like,
Speaker 3: how am I going to have his family accept me again?
Speaker 3: How am I going to have his friends accept me again?
Speaker 3: It broke my heart the other day, and my sister
Speaker 3: was like, you know, I really Lissenick as a friend.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, like, Megan, this is last weekend, just because,
Speaker 3: like I think that that's another thing with like there's
Speaker 3: all of this talk about the show, right, and the
Speaker 3: behind the scenes of the show and re talking about
Speaker 3: it and getting hate and like people not believing you
Speaker 3: like that, that's tough and it kind of brought me
Speaker 3: back to a pretty bad place. But also having Nick
Speaker 3: and eyes names attached to each other again, supporting each other.
Speaker 3: No one else went through the same experience as we did, right,
Speaker 3: Like everyone's experience is different, and so it's just like, nah,
Speaker 3: it brings you back to like the good bad Oh
Speaker 3: my god, why I went so emotional and that's all
Speaker 3: you have feelings for him? Yeah, and then not being
Speaker 3: able to like have that conversation with him. You know,
Speaker 3: it's just like it's tough.
Speaker 2: I mean, is there anything like that you wouldn't specifically
Speaker 2: want to say to him?
Speaker 1: Necessarily if you were able to talk to him.
Speaker 3: I think just like giving ourselves more grace, Like we're
Speaker 3: having all of these conversations about how reality shows can
Speaker 3: impact mental health and throughout the entire experience. The main
Speaker 3: reasons that we were going to say no is because
Speaker 3: I had told him I had never felt worse in
Speaker 3: my life and I need to focus on myself before
Speaker 3: getting married. I have never felt this way. And he
Speaker 3: was like, we're going to get married, and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: you know, it's if you get married, it's for better
Speaker 3: for worse, and like we're going into this like I
Speaker 3: will be there for you at first step of the way.
Speaker 3: And that's what's hard. It's like, Okay, we're like having
Speaker 3: all of these conversations about empathy for the mental health
Speaker 3: and what the show can do for you, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I wish that like we could have
Speaker 3: given each other a little bit more grace for how
Speaker 3: we were in the relationship at some of the worst times,
Speaker 3: kind of looking back and thinking about how much it
Speaker 3: really really really did impact us.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, hindsight's twenty twenty and time he'lls
Speaker 2: all wound, right, So like, yeah, I and I. But
Speaker 2: it also sounds like these were really intense experiences that
Speaker 2: cut really deep. Actually, after I ended my interview with Nick,
Speaker 2: I said that the opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy.
Speaker 2: And he is definitely not apathetic about you. And I
Speaker 2: literally said that because I was like, does he still
Speaker 2: love her?
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, Like I can't figure
Speaker 1: this out, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's really strong feelings attached to this, and I
Speaker 2: can promise you it's not a.
Speaker 1: Feeling of apathy.
Speaker 2: And that would be the thing that I think would
Speaker 2: be like poof done, you'd be gone.
Speaker 1: So I feel like there's a reconcile.
Speaker 3: I I have no idea, you know. Again, like I said,
Speaker 3: I think he knows where I stand.
Speaker 1: I hold, I don't think he's going to reach out
Speaker 1: to you, though. I think you're going to have to
Speaker 1: reach out to him. And it sounds like you screwed up,
Speaker 1: so maybe you could like lead with an I told.
Speaker 3: Him that, Yeah, No, I I gave him like a
Speaker 3: sincere apology, you know. I was like, there's nothing I
Speaker 3: can do to change where I did. And I understand that,
Speaker 3: you know, but again, like I I'm just going to
Speaker 3: give him, continue to give him this space. I don't
Speaker 3: want to know poke him when he's already probably going
Speaker 3: through some stuff having to relive all this as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine that's been really difficult for you.
Speaker 2: So do you, like, do you think that there's any
Speaker 2: goals that you have to make sure that this your
Speaker 2: experiences with the lack of support around mental health doesn't
Speaker 2: happen to anyone else.
Speaker 3: I think that this is going to make sure that
Speaker 3: this doesn't do anyone else. Yeah, oh yeah, they're not
Speaker 3: going to want to go through with this again, like
Speaker 3: absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Like do you think Love is Blind is going to
Speaker 1: be canceled?
Speaker 3: No? I don't think it'll be canceled. They've already filmed
Speaker 3: like so many different seasons they are going They're gonna
Speaker 3: have to do better, Like the fact that so many
Speaker 3: people from Married at First Sight that's the same production company,
Speaker 3: are also coming out now, it's like they're gonna have
Speaker 3: to change, Like they don't want to have this viral
Speaker 3: sensation about their treatment come out again.
Speaker 2: What about Vanessa and Nick Lache, the host of Love
Speaker 2: is Blind? Do you think they're going to remain as
Speaker 2: hosts or they're going to get the acts.
Speaker 3: They've already filmed like so many of the seasons, so
Speaker 3: there's really nothing that they can do about it. Like
Speaker 3: they did back to back to back right after we
Speaker 3: were in the pods, they brought in season two, so
Speaker 3: after ten days, Season two, went in after ten days
Speaker 3: season three, so we were filming at the same time.
Speaker 1: Whoa, that's all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think I don't know if there's five
Speaker 3: or ten, but yeah, like they're like they're already.
Speaker 1: Filmed five or ten seasons. We've only seen four, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just going back to and like they're the
Speaker 3: host for all they've already found.
Speaker 1: So wow, this is so interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean, thank you so much for sharing
Speaker 2: all of this and bring it to the forefront. It's
Speaker 2: I I really do think that this is some sort
Speaker 2: of epidemic within the love reality shows that we're not
Speaker 2: seen as much. And I think you're onto something when
Speaker 2: you say it's because there's not like recurring cast members. Yes,
Speaker 2: you're new all the time, so they're more disposable, and
Speaker 2: that they're more like green and they can be treated
Speaker 2: yes that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even like people that were on the Bachelor and
Speaker 3: then would return to Bachelor and Paradise would talk about
Speaker 3: how Bachelor and Paradise was like different than like, so
Speaker 3: it's like the more you kind of are on it,
Speaker 3: the more either like you know how to work your
Speaker 3: way around it or they want you to like keep
Speaker 3: coming back.
Speaker 2: Totally, totally all right, Danielle. Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: going coming on. It's so nice to talk to you again.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry. I didn't mean for it to become
Speaker 2: this emotional, but I'm really for you, guys. There's something
Speaker 2: there and I really I want to steal your phone
Speaker 2: from you. I'm gonna fly to Chicago. I'm gonna steal
Speaker 2: your phone from you, and I'm gonna make it all
Speaker 2: better between you two.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's like, hey, this is Danielle.
Speaker 3: I got a new number.
Speaker 1: Hey it's Danielle.
Speaker 2: We need to chat things to say and then I'll
Speaker 2: make us mooth it all over and be like here
Speaker 2: you go, here's your really good luck.
Speaker 3: Hey, it's on you. Good luck. You can.
Speaker 2: Well keep me posted, keep me updated on on everything.
Speaker 2: You my numbers, so text me and call me whatever. Well,
Speaker 2: thanks so much, daniel You're the best.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you bye.
Speaker 2: That was so interesting talking to her I was not
Speaker 2: expecting the emotions to come out like that.
Speaker 1: I really do think that these two might still be
Speaker 1: in love. And when I mentioned it, she got like
Speaker 1: you saw her, you heard her very emotional. Wow.
Speaker 2: I think we're onto something here now with But with
Speaker 2: the lobbying thing I was I've been giving this a
Speaker 2: lot of thought. I don't think are the lobby the
Speaker 2: union idea. I really don't think that there is a
Speaker 2: way really to do a good job in organizing reality talent,
Speaker 2: because the whole idea is that you're trying to get someone.
Speaker 2: You're trying to just get a spotlight of someone's life,
Speaker 2: a little snippet or you know, piece of it, and
Speaker 2: you don't want that life to include a planned idea
Speaker 2: that they're going to be going into reality television that
Speaker 2: would like totally be a moot, you know, spotlight.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's possible. I mean, I do.
Speaker 2: Think that there's, you know, some sort of something happening
Speaker 2: here that needs to be looked at, but I don't
Speaker 2: know what the solution would be. And like I said,
Speaker 2: my experience on the Housewives was very different and I
Speaker 2: never felt like this, And I'm also made of steel so,
Speaker 2: and when you are bringing on reality show people, you
Speaker 2: really don't want somebody made of steel like me.
Speaker 1: You really want.
Speaker 2: Somebody a little bit more emotional. For Nick and Danielle. Nick,
Speaker 2: did you hear this. I'm gonna call you. We're gonna
Speaker 2: have a little chit chat. I think there could be
Speaker 2: something there you and I think that.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I know that forgiveness can set you free.
Speaker 2: And I'm saying that to all of you as much
Speaker 2: as I'm saying it to myself, because it's a very
Speaker 2: hard thing to do. Thank you, guys for listening to
Speaker 2: this episode of Intimate Knowledge.
Speaker 1: I will see you next week because if I know,
Speaker 1: you know, Okay. Bye.
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