Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two eighty six,
Speaker 1: Episode three of Dely's Like Ice Day production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. It is Wednesday, May tenth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, World Loopers Day, World Loops Day, National Lipid Day,
Speaker 2: National third Shift Workers' Day, National Shrimp Day, National School
Speaker 2: Nurse Day.
Speaker 3: Oh shout out missus Lee, the school nurse who I'd always.
Speaker 2: Pretend to have a headache just so I could go
Speaker 2: there and then I could get like water, juice, just.
Speaker 4: A little attention, a little TLC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what the school nurse is for,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. They're kind of like, you're
Speaker 2: like I don't want to do this right now. I
Speaker 2: think I hit my head. And then they just give
Speaker 2: you a bag of ice and then you would just
Speaker 2: eat the ice bag.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would eat the ice bag.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you would feign like an impact even though
Speaker 2: like no, no, no, because I remember in the nurse's
Speaker 2: office they had a big ice machine. So then if
Speaker 2: like when kids bump their heads and stuff, they would
Speaker 2: just take like a like a plastic bag, like baggy
Speaker 2: give you a scoop of ice and then you put
Speaker 2: that on your like boo boo. But really, when it
Speaker 2: was hot in the valley, I would do that and
Speaker 2: just eat like I would just let the bag mountain
Speaker 2: and then just eat the leftover.
Speaker 4: Water in the back.
Speaker 3: Anyway, shout out school nurses. And also it's National.
Speaker 4: Clean up your Room Day.
Speaker 1: Clean up your damn room, kid, make your bed, clean
Speaker 1: up your room.
Speaker 3: Were you a big clean up your room kind of person?
Speaker 4: Like, like was I told to clean up my room?
Speaker 2: Were you? Were you good? Actually?
Speaker 1: Were you a sloppy sloppy baby, big time sloppy boy,
Speaker 1: big time sloppy jalopy on this side of yeah yeah
Speaker 1: the cat so yeah, And then I.
Speaker 4: Remained sloppy, like it's it's a battle for sure.
Speaker 2: Parenthood has actually made me less sloppy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it does by necessity, but right, but
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 2: When you're already like at extreme sloppiness, just going a
Speaker 2: few degrees back, you're still kind of in the sloppy category. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like to take my clothes off and just leave
Speaker 1: them where they lay, like where I you know, took
Speaker 1: them off in my closet.
Speaker 2: Oh her majesty calls it the clothes pile. Got I
Speaker 2: have by the bed because I can like just disrobe
Speaker 2: in a very efficient way. And then I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't put my clothes away until the morning, and she's like,
Speaker 2: she calls it the clopa. This is getting out of control.
Speaker 1: C Yeah, Miles, your clopo's getting out of hand, man
Speaker 1: infantilizing it even for me.
Speaker 2: Thank you. All right.
Speaker 1: Well, my name is Jack O'Brien aka Potatoes O'Brien, and
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always buy my co host,
Speaker 1: mister Miles Grass.
Speaker 2: Miles Gray's enjoying what he's seeing from his la breakers,
Speaker 2: really really liking it.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say it lightly. It's nice to see.
Speaker 2: Darvin Ham make adjustments that seem to be translating in
Speaker 2: the game. Shout out Lonnie Walker, the.
Speaker 1: Fourth Lonnie Walker, the fourth baby lone he Walker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the fourth, Uh just came in microwave of and can
Speaker 1: we can we give it to another I mean, most
Speaker 1: of NBA fans today don't know about Vinnie Johnson being
Speaker 1: the microwave of him.
Speaker 4: Can we give that nickname to.
Speaker 2: A new yeah?
Speaker 4: Why not new player?
Speaker 5: Ye?
Speaker 4: But yeah, just stays wet. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: He stays ready exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well Miles, we're thrilled to be joined by
Speaker 1: a rights activist and award winning podcast host and producer
Speaker 1: of the weekly podcast Immigrantly. Yeah, Sadia, what's up, Sadia?
Speaker 4: How are you hello?
Speaker 5: With a few I am really excited to be here,
Speaker 5: and I was just listening to your conversation back and
Speaker 5: forth Planter, and I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. Okay, I like a compliment
Speaker 2: to begin.
Speaker 4: It makes one of you, you know.
Speaker 5: That's although I will say this, I did not get
Speaker 5: a few references because I did not grow up here,
Speaker 5: so a lot of stuff that you were talking about,
Speaker 5: at least some of it was a bit unknown alien
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 2: But I enjoyed it. Okay, what can I what like?
Speaker 2: What was it?
Speaker 3: Was it the school nurse thing to start off with?
Speaker 5: No, the school nurse thing I could understand because I
Speaker 5: have kids, so I've had those conversations with.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 5: But in terms of you know, Elie Lakers, I'm not
Speaker 5: into sports, not at East American sports. I am a
Speaker 5: huge fan of cricket, okay, which I grew up watching,
Speaker 5: which was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: So yeah, test cricket one day, both yeah, okay, Okay.
Speaker 2: Whenever enough people on the Internet are talking about cricket,
Speaker 2: I sometimes check out the highlights because it's like one
Speaker 2: of those sports that I actually have watched a lot
Speaker 2: of but don't know the rules, because like it's close
Speaker 2: enough to baseball where I'm like, oh, I'm like, you
Speaker 2: hit that wicket though I know that's good, and I'm
Speaker 2: like I'm like, oh hit for six.
Speaker 3: I'm like yeah, okay, I know all these other things.
Speaker 3: But yeah, love love cricket. Where are you coming to
Speaker 3: us from now?
Speaker 5: New York? I like to think New York, but I
Speaker 5: am based. I live in suburbs of New York.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: I go to New York City a lot for recording
Speaker 5: and stuff. But to day I'm recording from my home.
Speaker 2: Love love that.
Speaker 1: We'll allow it, you know. You can still you're from
Speaker 1: New York, big city of dreams.
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, how long have you been in New York?
Speaker 5: Years?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Is it true that everything in New York is
Speaker 4: not always what it seems? Sorry?
Speaker 1: This is a reference to an old rap lyric that
Speaker 1: was like very popular.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Well it was on the West Coast.
Speaker 2: The dog pound is very popular in the West Coast.
Speaker 1: So it is what it seems just a confirm important question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean for me, if you ask me, it
Speaker 5: reminds me of Lahore. I grew up in Lahore, which
Speaker 5: is a metropolitan city in Pakistan, and people are nice
Speaker 5: but yeah, blunt, and they they are very honest about everything.
Speaker 5: So I feel like New Yorkers. I like that they
Speaker 5: don't pretend to be anybody else, right, And that's what
Speaker 5: I love about New York.
Speaker 2: Is there like an inverse of like Lahore in Pakistan?
Speaker 2: Like is like in America will say New Yorkers are
Speaker 2: not nice but kind and people that live in la
Speaker 2: are nice but not kind.
Speaker 5: Oh in Pakistan Nope, okay.
Speaker 2: So is everybody is that kind of like just the
Speaker 2: general vibe. It's like, yeah, we're blunt, but at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, we're kind.
Speaker 5: That's the gentle vibe. We are kind but blunt.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that.
Speaker 4: Well, we are going to get to know you a
Speaker 4: little bit better in a moment.
Speaker 1: First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of
Speaker 1: the things that we're talking about. Elon Musk is on
Speaker 1: some white supremacist shit, big time, more overt than usual,
Speaker 1: I guessyday on Twitter. So we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: his response to the Dallas Nazi mass shooter and just
Speaker 1: generally his like he's retweeting a bunch of misleading races bullshit.
Speaker 1: So we'll go through some of of his tweets and
Speaker 1: kind of tying into the Elon Musk story in a
Speaker 1: weird way, We're going to talk about TikTok's worst detective
Speaker 1: who is currently off the case, but he claimed that
Speaker 1: there was this conspiracy of like a secret serial killer
Speaker 1: that was drowning drunk people walking home from bart It's
Speaker 1: very strange. Anyways, all that plenty more, But first, Sadia,
Speaker 1: we like to ask our guest, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history?
Speaker 5: So I recently searched how to water indoor orchids And
Speaker 5: the backstory is a friend of mine gave me orchid
Speaker 5: as a gift, and I was like, oh, I'm going
Speaker 5: to take care of this plant because I'm not big
Speaker 5: on taking care of plants. I've never done that in
Speaker 5: the past, and I was really excited, and I did
Speaker 5: not google how to water it properly, so I just
Speaker 5: let it be and I was either watching it every day,
Speaker 5: or watching it at night, or watching it with cold water,
Speaker 5: and I don't know what I was doing. But in
Speaker 5: the end, unfortunately the plant died, and because of its
Speaker 5: untimely demise, I was just shock. I was so sad.
Speaker 5: I you know, the American in me was feeling so
Speaker 5: bad because you know the usual joke about Americans taking
Speaker 5: care of or being more concerned about plants and animals than.
Speaker 2: Humans like them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, said, I was really sad. And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm going to go and buy an orchid. And I
Speaker 5: did that, and now I'm doing a whole Google search
Speaker 5: about how to take care of an orchid and I've
Speaker 5: been doing that for a couple of days. And I hope,
Speaker 5: I'm really hoping and paying this orchid will not die
Speaker 5: on me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, some orchid stores in LA that have my
Speaker 1: picture up, uh, because I spent a number of years
Speaker 1: as an orchid serial killer. Like I just could not
Speaker 1: keep those things alive for the life of me.
Speaker 2: It's so funny. My mother loves orchids so like I'll
Speaker 2: always get her orchids like for her, like because she
Speaker 2: loves them. But she's also like you know, like when
Speaker 2: the blue after the bloom, a lot of people are like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's dead, and like they'll just be like I don't
Speaker 2: know what to do with this. And my mom she'll
Speaker 2: be like give me that. Like she's like I will
Speaker 2: take them and I will get I will bring them
Speaker 2: back to bloom life. And she has like in her
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, in her like living room, she has like
Speaker 2: this window where she has like about maybe ten orchids
Speaker 2: in different state of bloom that she just like always
Speaker 2: kind of takes care of. So I love hearing about orchids,
Speaker 2: like talking about orchids. But yeah, the watering is like
Speaker 2: super key because like, yeah, it's really easy.
Speaker 5: Over the bring they bring good luck. They bring good
Speaker 5: luck to you, right, That's what That's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need we could use some of that.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's one of the higher difficulty, Like
Speaker 1: it's you know, what you should do once you get
Speaker 1: really good at caring for other plants in my case,
Speaker 1: or what I should have done after the major Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the majors. And I just stepped right in and
Speaker 1: was like, don't don't dead again. This one too, that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So but my wife liked orchids, so what was
Speaker 4: I gonna do? You know, hey, just.
Speaker 3: Take care of them. They just need a little bit
Speaker 3: of light.
Speaker 2: Don't put them in direct sunlight, but make sure they
Speaker 2: get good light and just give it a little bit
Speaker 2: of water. You want to clip the little new growth
Speaker 2: like closer to that. There's like there's a few tips
Speaker 2: you can do and with a little bit of patience.
Speaker 2: It's I think that's one of the most satisfying things
Speaker 2: is watching like an orchid rebloom and you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: do your thing, orkid.
Speaker 1: I'd given you up for dead. What is what something
Speaker 1: you think is overrated?
Speaker 5: The British monarchy tell ya what not?
Speaker 4: On this podcast. We are a monarchist. We are royal watchers.
Speaker 2: We love them King Chuck aye ai I as we
Speaker 2: call him.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The interesting thing is, and I'm asking both of you
Speaker 5: this because I'm confused. As far as I know, America
Speaker 5: fought a bloody war to separate itself from the British monarchy.
Speaker 5: But American media, American public is obsessed, obsessed. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: I don't get it why because honestly, I mean, monarchy
Speaker 5: is what racism on steroids? And you are still so intrigued.
Speaker 1: By it, right, you just answered your own question. And
Speaker 1: racism on steroids and out in the open and with
Speaker 1: fancy stuff. Racism loves money and you know.
Speaker 2: Loves yeah, and loves like just terribly concentrated power in
Speaker 2: the hands of a very interesting looking group of people.
Speaker 1: Billionaires they love, billionaires who didn't do shit to get
Speaker 1: their money and just pretending that they did.
Speaker 4: So it kind of fits.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I oh, okay, it's all coming together, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also there's like just this romanticism I think of,
Speaker 2: like just being like, oh, like like Americans feel like
Speaker 2: that's the fancy for like something. I don't know. There's
Speaker 2: like an aspirational aspect to it, I think too, in
Speaker 2: this weird way from like it's classy to think that
Speaker 2: the king, like the monarchy is cool versus Joe Biden
Speaker 2: or something. But yeah, it's to each their own, I mean,
Speaker 2: I definitely.
Speaker 5: I mean when I think of them, I think of
Speaker 5: I don't know, lot, yeah, and people who invaded the
Speaker 5: self content and basically took everything away. So I have
Speaker 5: myl neal hangle. I can't get over that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I think most most American people, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think, who are like savvy when it comes to history,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I mean like I mean, if anything, they
Speaker 2: taught us how to be the empire we are today
Speaker 2: in the United States, and we just iterated on what
Speaker 2: we learned from the English. I guess, but yeah, it's
Speaker 2: do you think.
Speaker 5: That's a good thing?
Speaker 2: No, I think is that a good thing? Not at all.
Speaker 2: It's the worst fucking thing ever. And I think it's
Speaker 2: only I look at we were saying yesterday when we
Speaker 2: looked at a picture of Charles during the coronation, I'm like,
Speaker 2: if you could like assign like a human scream value
Speaker 2: to each jewel and piece of gold or.
Speaker 3: Fur that adorned his body, how many screams worth of
Speaker 3: shit was he wearing? Because it has to be in
Speaker 3: like the trillions.
Speaker 4: That's what gives him the power though, And.
Speaker 2: I think I think, like for me, that's when I
Speaker 2: look at those things, all I see is pain, Like
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is it's like you mind that gold
Speaker 2: or those emeralds or things like that. It's still and
Speaker 2: in fact, how many like former colonies are like we
Speaker 2: want our ship back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we do give us back.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, it's still Yeah, he does make it all
Speaker 1: look a few clicks more ridiculous than any king that
Speaker 1: I've witnessed before. I haven't witnessed that many kings, but
Speaker 1: like he puts the lie to the whole thing and
Speaker 1: like just makes the monarchy look bad. So I will say,
Speaker 1: in that respect, I'm glad that he's the king because
Speaker 1: he just is like this palladi old man who's just
Speaker 1: like I want.
Speaker 2: It blasted pen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I do see this narrative about good monarchs
Speaker 5: and bad monarchs, and I really don't buy it, because
Speaker 5: anybody who's benefiting from the institution itself is part of
Speaker 5: perpetual eating that you know, harmful, bad So I don't
Speaker 5: give a fuck if it's like a good monarch or
Speaker 5: bad monarch. They're all monarchs and they are benefiting from it.
Speaker 5: I mean Prince Harry, good for him. I mean I
Speaker 5: do feel bad for him in some ways, but to
Speaker 5: be honest, heartache, I don't feel bad for them either.
Speaker 2: No, he's doing all right. He's got that monarch guilt
Speaker 2: creeping in. But you know, it's like the same way
Speaker 2: of like you can't be a US president and not
Speaker 2: be a war criminal, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And it's at the end of the day, we're like,
Speaker 2: oh what about him? Like no, also war criminal? Actually yeah, loo,
Speaker 2: look up what was done under their command? No one
Speaker 2: gets out of here scot free.
Speaker 4: What is something you think is underrated? Sadia?
Speaker 5: Non European English accents?
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: I see a lot of people, again Americans obsessing over
Speaker 5: British accent and French accent and German accents, but when
Speaker 5: it comes to non European accents, they are pretty mean,
Speaker 5: So I would say they are underrated. App Absolutely, I
Speaker 5: love my accent. I think it's so good.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, as well you should. It's a great accent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think it's like so much of it too.
Speaker 2: Like again, there's like this thing of from media where
Speaker 2: they're like, oh an English, Like Americans are so easily
Speaker 2: fooled by an English accent. It's kind of creepy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, like you could grift so hard on an
Speaker 2: English accent, like if you were just talking like American people.
Speaker 2: Like there's a guy who I saw coaching youth soccer
Speaker 2: at a local park. I'm pretty sure this dude is
Speaker 2: not English because his accent. Like I watch a lot
Speaker 2: of English programming I love the Premier League. I watch
Speaker 2: a lot of English media. His accent sounds like an America, Like,
Speaker 2: it sounds like me fucking around pretending to be English.
Speaker 2: And but I know this guy's charging parents through the
Speaker 2: fucking teeth to be like their footy coach.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I think this guy's got the grift.
Speaker 2: Man. He's just out here doing a bit of like,
Speaker 2: you know, he watched a couple episodes at east Enders
Speaker 2: and now he's out there, you know, grifting on that.
Speaker 5: You know, what's interesting to me is that accents are
Speaker 5: not universal. So there are multiple English accents as well, right,
Speaker 5: so it's not like just one English accent or one
Speaker 5: French accent or one somebody wants asked me if my
Speaker 5: accent was Pakistani accent, and I was like, how do
Speaker 5: you define Pakistani accent? There are multiple accents within Pakistan,
Speaker 5: especially people who speak English, which by the way, is
Speaker 5: our colonizers language. And it's fine, I mean, I've learned it,
Speaker 5: but at the end of the day, it's like, how
Speaker 5: do you define a universal accent? People in America have
Speaker 5: so many different accents. Oh yeah, New Yorkers, you know,
Speaker 5: Long people living in Long Island have a.
Speaker 2: Completely different as state obsession.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this obsession with accent, certain accents, and this hierarchy
Speaker 5: which exists really bothers me because it really impacts people
Speaker 5: in ways that a lot of people don't recognize. And so, yeah,
Speaker 5: own your accents. You are wherever you are.
Speaker 1: The way to center yourself to just like in a way,
Speaker 1: just be like I am the center of the universe.
Speaker 1: Because everyone normally speak the way I do has an accent,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you can't hear your accent. You
Speaker 1: can't hear your parents' accent.
Speaker 2: I can hear my accent. Man, they give me some
Speaker 2: water water, Yeah, give me some water rice.
Speaker 5: There's so many immigrants who are really traumatized by how
Speaker 5: people view their accents and they are almost scared to
Speaker 5: speak up because it's like, oh my gosh, people don't
Speaker 5: understand me or they can't comprehend me. So yeah, something
Speaker 5: that people really don't think about when they are conversing
Speaker 5: with others.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's where my mom's from Japan, and she first
Speaker 2: immigrated to England when she was like twenty years old,
Speaker 2: so she learned to really speak English in England. So
Speaker 2: she has this like hybridized Japanese like quasi English accent,
Speaker 2: and when she came to the US, people were so
Speaker 2: confounded by like how she spoke.
Speaker 3: They were like, what are you from?
Speaker 2: Is? What country is that? And she's like, I'm Japanese,
Speaker 2: Like but your accent. It's like, well, I just came
Speaker 2: from England. It's like yeah, but it's like as if
Speaker 2: there's like another shoe that has to drop because you
Speaker 2: can't wrap your head around a human being just moving
Speaker 2: from place to place and picking up language skills in
Speaker 2: a way that isn't again, like congruent to yours. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I definitely feel.
Speaker 4: Too many categories coming at my brain.
Speaker 2: It's Japanese but English no, Wow. Yeah, I mean, at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's just I think it's
Speaker 2: it's for people who care enough, it's how they determine,
Speaker 2: like how much someone is assimilated based on like their accent.
Speaker 2: And then if you have that kind of xenophobic worldview,
Speaker 2: then yeah, I guess that's your terrible cross to bear.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we will
Speaker 1: be right back with some news. And we're back, and
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of crimes that have happened in
Speaker 1: the past week. You know, Jordan Neely was murdered by
Speaker 1: a white man and then a mass shooter who was
Speaker 1: an avowed Nazi with like Nazi tattoosh went on a
Speaker 1: killing spree in Dallas, and the right has chosen to
Speaker 1: like greet this by saying that it's like unfair that
Speaker 1: we're talking about it when it happens.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's just like this really terribly bad faith argument
Speaker 2: that they're saying, Like the Libs are reaching by saying
Speaker 2: the Dallas shooter was a Nazi. That's just that's just
Speaker 2: what they say about everyone. Oh my god, everyone's a Nazi.
Speaker 2: That's just what they say about everyone. But like, sadly,
Speaker 2: even the most casual look at this person's social media
Speaker 2: would confirm that he was in fact a white supremacist
Speaker 2: like hyl Hitler ing neo Nazi, and even made a
Speaker 2: post where he was explaining his own beliefs despite his
Speaker 2: perceived ethnic identity, because many people were like, there's no
Speaker 2: way someone with a Hispanic last name could be a
Speaker 2: white supremacist. What are you guys going on about. That's impossible.
Speaker 2: You have to be white to be a white supremacist.
Speaker 2: And I just I'll throw some names out for people
Speaker 2: who are up on you know, the really gross figures
Speaker 2: on the right. How about Enrique Tario to have a
Speaker 2: proud voice. Okay, he's a Cuban American, but he's also
Speaker 2: a white supremacist. He also have Nick Fuentes, who's also
Speaker 2: has met up with Donald Trump many times and was
Speaker 2: courting Kanye West and just like the grossest parts of
Speaker 2: the internet, white supremacist. So just it does it does
Speaker 2: my head in Okay, as the English say, because first
Speaker 2: of all, whiteness is a fucking social construct that has
Speaker 2: shifted over centuries, you know, like you can even look
Speaker 2: at there was a thread from this professor I want
Speaker 2: Kathleen Belou who even pointed out, like how much the
Speaker 2: race box on the US Census has like shifted over time,
Speaker 2: and how like it's not just white or whatever. If
Speaker 2: you go back to nineteen ten, it's just saying like
Speaker 2: color or race was the box it said, there were
Speaker 2: no other categories, or even the eight ninety it says
Speaker 2: whether white, black, mulatto, quadroon, octoroon. We don't use these
Speaker 2: terms as all. Yeah, Chinese Japanese are Indian, and overtime
Speaker 2: these things shift and so to this idea of like
Speaker 2: because this person isn't a like I guess, you know,
Speaker 2: the Aryan type of variety of white person is. Maybe
Speaker 2: what they're thinking has to that's the standard to be
Speaker 2: a quote unquote white supremacist. They're completely missing the point.
Speaker 2: And I think because most Americans would most likely look
Speaker 2: at this to a like black or brown versus white lens,
Speaker 2: whereas like places in South America have very different ideas
Speaker 2: of what whiteness is or who a person of color is.
Speaker 2: It's like, are the white people those that descend from
Speaker 2: the Iberians that colonize the land, and the people of
Speaker 2: color the indigenous And that's how they began to you know,
Speaker 2: separate like on those kinds of racial lines of class,
Speaker 2: et cetera. And again, you look in Texas and the
Speaker 2: Southwest and general the United States, you have a lot
Speaker 2: of people who have last names that are Hispanic, who
Speaker 2: might not see themselves as people of color, and some
Speaker 2: might see themselves as just downright Nazis. So at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, the ideology kind of like in
Speaker 2: its current state isn't based on the purest sense of
Speaker 2: like Aryan supremacy that they're thinking of like Hitler's master
Speaker 2: race kind of thing. But it's just a it attracts
Speaker 2: people because it's a violent system of power that targets women, Jews,
Speaker 2: trans people, Muslims, whoever who is not outside of like
Speaker 2: the deemed hegemonic class or whatever. And you know, the
Speaker 2: murderer's post confirm all of this, like he was aligned
Speaker 2: with all of these beliefs, and his.
Speaker 5: White supremacy is on full display through his stattooes. So
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, what the heck, Like you could
Speaker 5: tell that this guy is hardcore white supremacist. And you're
Speaker 5: absolutely right about this ideology being internalized by other races
Speaker 5: as well, especially in America, because it lends itself to
Speaker 5: approximation to whiteness and where you stand in this society
Speaker 5: because America is obsessed obsessed with race.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, but won't admit it to themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course. Oh we're past that, We're past that.
Speaker 1: But it is wild to see because it's just that
Speaker 1: they are just telling on themselves that they think of
Speaker 1: race as a genetic like differentiator and not a social
Speaker 1: construct used to discriminate and economically exploit people, Like they
Speaker 1: are like, well, he has a last name and because
Speaker 1: of the one drop rule that we all adopted after
Speaker 1: the Civil War.
Speaker 4: Wait, we didn't all adopt that.
Speaker 1: That was just me and the people in the back
Speaker 1: room where I make the decisions about the society.
Speaker 4: Right, it's fucking wild.
Speaker 2: To your point, Sidy about for all of those who
Speaker 2: are like, I don't know if he's a Nazi. He
Speaker 2: couldn't have more Nazi tattoos if you'd even tried. I
Speaker 2: guess he could have had mind komp tatted in its
Speaker 2: entirety on his body. But ss bolts and a swastika,
Speaker 2: there's no there's no ambiguity about it. And again this
Speaker 2: is just their bad faith argument because they can't really
Speaker 2: argue anything on the merits because it's all about obscuring
Speaker 2: the existence of this, like the the heavy hand of
Speaker 2: white supremacy that looms over everything in this country. It's like, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's not happens, doesn't exist. So you were saying, how
Speaker 2: this ideology even attracts people of other races and cultures,
Speaker 2: you know, he posted a meme that basically said, like
Speaker 2: when you're Hispanic, like, it's like a fork in the
Speaker 2: road and on one side it says act black and
Speaker 2: the other said, become a white supremacist, And that just
Speaker 2: kind of shows you what his entire worldview is of
Speaker 2: what your perceived options are, if there's even such an
Speaker 2: idea of options for how you live your life. But
Speaker 2: that was his very specific worldview that was that was
Speaker 2: the shooter. That was the shooter. Yeah, post it, I.
Speaker 1: Actually couldn't tell if that was the shooter or Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: That's where we're at at this point.
Speaker 3: No truly, and I mean he was also parrotying the
Speaker 3: same thing.
Speaker 2: It was like, well, I much like really but again, fine,
Speaker 2: like this is this is why he bought the Way site,
Speaker 2: to bring even more nonsense and misinformation to the masses
Speaker 2: and normalize that.
Speaker 1: It's really like getting to a point where it's systematic.
Speaker 1: He's doing it frequently, constantly, and just in the most
Speaker 1: bad faith way as possible. Yeah.
Speaker 5: But what's worse is that a lot of people in
Speaker 5: America will buy into those narratives, whether they're coming from
Speaker 5: Republicans or Elon Musk. And that's more problematic than anything else. Right,
Speaker 5: why are people buying into it yet? Because they want
Speaker 5: to maintain their racial hierarchy. It's as simple as not.
Speaker 5: There's nothing else to it, right, I mean, yeah, oversimplified.
Speaker 5: But one of the major reasons why people are so
Speaker 5: hung up on these narratives and they don't want to
Speaker 5: let go is because they don't want to give up
Speaker 5: on their racial hierarchy, whatever form it takes.
Speaker 2: Right, right, Yeah, because it's like, well, at least I
Speaker 2: have that I have no world yet in a world
Speaker 2: of limited options, well, at least I have my whiteness,
Speaker 2: and I can lord that over people and still feel
Speaker 2: good about myself because I'm in the white head Chrischin
Speaker 2: group or whatever it is. That's become very attractive to
Speaker 2: these people. Recently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the things that Elon Musk retweeted was
Speaker 1: this meme tweeted by end Wokeness at end Wokeness on
Speaker 1: Twitter that was like a comparison of interracial violent crime
Speaker 1: incidents twenty eighteen. And the statistics from this are completely
Speaker 1: like they use a percentage and then like apply it
Speaker 1: to the population and it's all sorts of fucked up.
Speaker 2: And what we'll get into distrapolating like just based on
Speaker 2: like the demography to be like that's actually that's actually
Speaker 2: how overblown this is. If you actually do the demographic extrapolation, yes.
Speaker 1: But like we'll get into debunking in a second, but
Speaker 1: it's just wild that we have the head of a
Speaker 1: major communication platform like openly doing straight up white supremacists,
Speaker 1: like openly white supremacist shit. It's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: think when he bought Twitter, we were like, this is
Speaker 1: like if Henry Ford bought like a major newspaper. But
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, Henry Ford was putting the protocols
Speaker 1: of the Elders of Zion and like the model t
Speaker 1: glove compartment when he was selling that, Like this is
Speaker 1: more insidious and just overt and damaging than that, like
Speaker 1: the shit that he's doing. The like this meme is
Speaker 1: obviously like reiterating the myth that the local news and
Speaker 1: Fox News and even the supposedly centrist media tell people
Speaker 1: every day that like using selection bias to tell people
Speaker 1: that more crimes are committed by black people on white people,
Speaker 1: and that like black on white crime is extremely common,
Speaker 1: and that like white people should be afraid of black
Speaker 1: people and they do that usually through selection bias, and
Speaker 1: this uses like some bullshit math and also just like
Speaker 1: a misunderstanding of the context of like what is a
Speaker 1: crime is a crime an objective, an objective thing that
Speaker 1: happens always, and that there is some objective system for determining.
Speaker 1: But like, the big piece of missing context from this
Speaker 1: is that they've applied a percentage to the population and
Speaker 1: because white people are a larger part of the population,
Speaker 1: they just have a higher number. And people were pointing
Speaker 1: out if you add white on white crime, it dwarfs
Speaker 1: everything else. It is by far the vast majority of
Speaker 1: crimes in the United States, but they have omitted that
Speaker 1: for right, very specific reasons.
Speaker 5: This is a create example of how data is distorted
Speaker 5: to perpetuate a narrative that already exists. And what's versus
Speaker 5: people will again buy this, buy into it, and it
Speaker 5: will resonate with people because it reinforces their ideas, whatever
Speaker 5: their preconceived notions are about certain racial identities and ethnicities.
Speaker 5: So it really reinforces what they already believe. And my
Speaker 5: quest would be, how do we hold consumers off information accountable? Right, So,
Speaker 5: how do we become intentional consumers of information and critical
Speaker 5: thinkers whatever is presented to us, we don't have to
Speaker 5: really internalize it, And how do we make that shift
Speaker 5: in American society rather than saying, oh, you know Elon Musk, Yes,
Speaker 5: he is tweeting because he's an ass, he's a racist,
Speaker 5: but why are we buying into it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I feel like I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I wish this was not as effective as it is
Speaker 1: and has been for years with the way that like
Speaker 1: you know, local news from every network and then like
Speaker 1: national news from Fox News, like are constantly beating this drum.
Speaker 1: Like I wish the people were kind of better consumers.
Speaker 1: I also feel like the overton window on this has shifted,
Speaker 1: and we have somebody who is like one of the
Speaker 1: most famous people in the world just openly spewing white
Speaker 1: suprema as lies, and people are just kind of taking
Speaker 1: it for granted, like there's not a conversation about like
Speaker 1: it should he be allowed to do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because also, like the media that we'd count on
Speaker 2: to comment on this, they're completely unable to have this
Speaker 2: kind of nuanced conversation. We saw that time after time.
Speaker 2: We saw it in twenty twenty. It's like they just
Speaker 2: they can't because to them, it's not like he's not
Speaker 2: posting like a Sambo meme or like mammy type shit
Speaker 2: like black caricatures, so that doesn't register as quote unquote racist,
Speaker 2: and to this it's like, oh, it's it's just a
Speaker 2: really it's it's it's it's an inaccurate statement and not understanding. Again,
Speaker 2: this is why we have such trouble with even wrapping
Speaker 2: our heads around like the concept of white supremacy, because
Speaker 2: the media certainly doesn't know how to define it. They're
Speaker 2: just like, oh, I think it's when it's a Nazi.
Speaker 2: It's not like it's not our like these these like
Speaker 2: these systems of power that exist within the country, and
Speaker 2: we can't because you seldom do you hear them talking
Speaker 2: about it in those terms unless they bring on like
Speaker 2: a sociology professor or someone who's and it's just for
Speaker 2: like three minutes and they.
Speaker 3: Go, oh wow, that's a very interesting point.
Speaker 2: All right, Moving on Elon Musk's new cards, like what
Speaker 2: the fuck Like that's that's actually the conversation that needs
Speaker 2: to be had. So it's like a failure on multiple levels.
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, yeah, And what does Elon Musk represent,
Speaker 5: right success, capitalism in whatever form people want to see.
Speaker 5: So you rate going back to the point about how
Speaker 5: Americans vieusit in personalities and individuals and how much they
Speaker 5: believe in them because of what they've achieved again through
Speaker 5: their success or career trajectory, it's difficult for people to
Speaker 5: question that right, that authority in a way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, because we've seeded, like you know, we've we
Speaker 2: deify these billionaires, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there to the point where we have no ability to
Speaker 2: critically analyze how they got there, the context in which
Speaker 2: they became successful. Like no one talks about how Bill
Speaker 2: Gates dad was able to get him in front of
Speaker 2: a computer before any child basically in America. But it's like, man,
Speaker 2: he's such a genius, Like no, it's fucking dad, Like uh,
Speaker 2: it's every every person has this story. It's like how
Speaker 2: did he do it? It's like, well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: A fuck ton of money from their family.
Speaker 1: And because of the way the American system is set up,
Speaker 1: somebody is going to be that rich. Like, somebody is
Speaker 1: going to be that rich, and it is usually going
Speaker 1: to be the person with tons of advantages all along
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, I mean I think until like Americans,
Speaker 2: like in mass can understand that like all of this
Speaker 2: is a fucking illusion and it's merely meant to be.
Speaker 2: This like really interesting carrot to dangle in front of
Speaker 2: people so they can kind of just like accept their
Speaker 2: lot in life and not really consider if there's more
Speaker 2: that can be done or we deserve better. It's going
Speaker 2: to be very difficult because everyone can kind of have
Speaker 2: this thing of like, oh my god, I could be
Speaker 2: like Elon with if I buy crypto and or fall
Speaker 2: into some other fucking redatory industry that promises this kind
Speaker 2: of like stratospheric upward social mobility. But at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, you're just falling prey to the exact
Speaker 2: same fucking grift, just in a new fucking you know,
Speaker 2: new shiny coat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's so dangerous because it ties directly into the
Speaker 1: like one of the core American myths, which is that
Speaker 1: it is a meritocracy, right, and so when this guy
Speaker 1: who is the richest person on earth is spreading shit
Speaker 1: like this, people have the implicit assumption, and I think
Speaker 1: the media ties into this a lot that this guy
Speaker 1: is smart and what he's saying, well, and this one
Speaker 1: has statistics, so it has to be you know, good,
Speaker 1: instead of just it's statistics.
Speaker 4: Being used to lie.
Speaker 1: It just feels like we are frogs in a gradually
Speaker 1: boiling pot with this motherfucker, and the madness of what
Speaker 1: we are seeing from him is pretty shocking and is
Speaker 1: kind of just being excused the waint.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the same thing you will, like
Speaker 2: Kanye West when he was saying all this anti Semitic nonsense,
Speaker 2: Like the reporting on it just sends it just sends
Speaker 2: it out further too. Yeah, and there's going to be
Speaker 2: a lot of people been like, oh, what does Elon
Speaker 2: Musk mean with this thing or like the latest Elon
Speaker 2: Mutt And already you're already putting in front of more
Speaker 2: people because of it. And it's hard to like because
Speaker 2: we have this like we're all about outrage clicks in
Speaker 2: the media, like and that helps engagement that like it's
Speaker 2: just it really is this like snake eating its own
Speaker 2: tail kind of thing where on one level you'd have
Speaker 2: to be like, no, we're not talking about this because
Speaker 2: this is non racist drivel, like this is a this
Speaker 2: is not even worth your time to even tell you, like, well,
Speaker 2: we might as well report on every ignorant thing that
Speaker 2: every person says at that point, and just because of
Speaker 2: this person's place, we're like, well, let's let's treat it
Speaker 2: as something that should be talked about even if we
Speaker 2: don't agree. And I think that already is a tremendous
Speaker 2: disservice because for every person who can see that and
Speaker 2: says this is fucking bullshit, like what is this nonsense,
Speaker 2: there is going to be someone who's like, well, hold on,
Speaker 2: I'm currently in a situation where, like I argue with
Speaker 2: friends because of my limited worldview, and this helps reinforce that, Oh,
Speaker 2: now I have something to go deeper into and go
Speaker 2: further into, and that's the real danger. But this is
Speaker 2: how it's playing out pretty consistently, we see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 1: come back and talk about some other stories, some TikTok
Speaker 1: crime fighters, and we're back, and one of the most
Speaker 1: dramatic stories playing out on the Internet this month involves
Speaker 1: a series of real murders and an amateur detective and
Speaker 1: a bunch of pissed off people on TikTok. So you know,
Speaker 1: this has been a thing, like ever since Cereal invented
Speaker 1: podcasting in twenty fourteen, this has been something the Internet
Speaker 1: loves to do, but it's been especially prominent on TikTok
Speaker 1: lately and TikTok is so clogged up with stories about
Speaker 1: real murders that one company started using the platform to
Speaker 1: sell fifty dollars in case I go missing binders for
Speaker 1: people to put all their key Like you can.
Speaker 4: Put a hair sample, fingerprints, dental records, dental records all
Speaker 4: in a binder that you then, I don't know, submit
Speaker 4: to this company that then sells it to credit card companies.
Speaker 4: I'm assuming, but it's.
Speaker 2: Like your own handwriting too, Like this is what a
Speaker 2: what a specific market that is bizarre.
Speaker 1: So enter ken wax ken Waks, a TikToker with more
Speaker 1: than a million followers who started posting videos about a
Speaker 1: series of allegedly unrelated deaths in Chicago.
Speaker 4: So officially, the deceased men.
Speaker 1: Got drunk, fell into a nearby body of water, and
Speaker 1: accidentally drowned, which is, unfortunately a thing that happens a
Speaker 1: lot anytime there is a body of water near a
Speaker 1: place where people get drunk, which is everywhere, and Chicago
Speaker 1: is kind of known for that.
Speaker 4: Sort of thing.
Speaker 2: A river runs through it.
Speaker 1: Yes, so he claims something's fishy here. He claims to
Speaker 1: have been quote offered a ride by a stranger in
Speaker 1: an unmarked vehicle while walking around Chicago at night multiple times.
Speaker 1: And his theory is that the person who offered him
Speaker 1: a ride or the people who offered him a ride
Speaker 1: multiple times are actually part of some like organization that
Speaker 1: kidnaps and drowns drunk men in their twenties and thirties
Speaker 1: for no reason that anybody can discern.
Speaker 4: And like the police are just like, what the fuck
Speaker 4: are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 1: This is like so and but he's you know, re
Speaker 1: raising these like tragic deaths in the lives of the families.
Speaker 1: You know, suddenly these family are like trending because of
Speaker 1: this horrible tragedy that happened to their brother or son
Speaker 1: like a year ago. And these videos have received millions
Speaker 1: of views thousands of comments. He claimed that the police
Speaker 1: ignored him and even denied him an opportunity to speak
Speaker 1: at community meetings, and then he claimed to have cracked
Speaker 1: the case of nine drownings in Texas, also alleging that
Speaker 1: they were connected to the deaths in Chicago and also Pittsburgh, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: In Minneapolis, perhaps the handiwork of a team of killers.
Speaker 2: Is he white?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Is he white?
Speaker 4: I'm just like.
Speaker 2: It's just the caucasidy of this. Oh man, you know
Speaker 2: how vulnerable we are, bros. They're coming for us.
Speaker 1: That's what's so funny about this. It ties into the
Speaker 1: last story we were talking about, because it's like the safest,
Speaker 1: least targeted, least endangered group of humans in the US,
Speaker 1: like twenty and thirty year old white men fantasizing that
Speaker 1: they're being systematically hunted down. And his evidence is people
Speaker 1: stopping to try to help him because he's staggering drunk
Speaker 1: in the street, and he's like all the US ever
Speaker 1: does to white men in their twenties and thirties is
Speaker 1: like give them the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 4: And people are like, hey, man, are you all right?
Speaker 4: You need a ride?
Speaker 2: Hey you want to be in a Supreme court? Hey
Speaker 2: you want to be in the Supreme Court. You want
Speaker 2: to be a senator?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 2: All right, cool, all right, yeah, I do you think?
Speaker 2: Do you think? All right? Yeah? That's good.
Speaker 5: It was, you know, as you're talking about this, Sorry,
Speaker 5: the first thought that's coming to my mind is, oh,
Speaker 5: my gosh, my teenager gets a lot of information from
Speaker 5: TikTok and it's okay to get restaurant recommendations. Yeah, this
Speaker 5: crazy shit is dangerous, right, so how do we regulated?
Speaker 5: We can't really regulate social media. Does it make sense
Speaker 5: to even think of regulation? Because I sometimes think about
Speaker 5: this and I worry that there is so much information
Speaker 5: out there, not just TikTok by the way, I mean
Speaker 5: Facebook Yogi.
Speaker 2: In this Yeah, right, what do we do? I mean,
Speaker 2: at the very least, it has to be better moderated, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, to be able to find those things. But
Speaker 2: again it's like a slippery slope where you see things
Speaker 2: like where people who are like talking about the cop
Speaker 2: city in Atlanta and like video like rightly information that
Speaker 2: should be shared with people about the police trying to
Speaker 2: build this like multi million dollar complex and people are
Speaker 2: getting killed for trying to stop it, or people are
Speaker 2: being put in prison for trying to obstruct the construction
Speaker 2: of this thing without any real due process. Like that
Speaker 2: stuff worth noticing. But you do see that stuff get
Speaker 2: suppressed too, So it is like what do you do?
Speaker 2: But I think in terms of this, this is like
Speaker 2: following in. What's really dangerous is like all this vigilante
Speaker 2: shit that is happening right now. So many people feel
Speaker 2: empowered to fucking intervene or create suit. In Louisiana, a
Speaker 2: man shot a little girl in the back of her
Speaker 2: head because they were playing hide and seek and he
Speaker 2: thought people were like trying, like he was gonna get
Speaker 2: got They were kids playing hide and seek, and they
Speaker 2: some kids got onto his property. Yeah, and there's so
Speaker 2: many people who already just hopped up on this like
Speaker 2: cruel and unusual world shit that they can't even like
Speaker 2: see children playing without putting it through this like lens
Speaker 2: of like, oh, this is a threat to me because
Speaker 2: because I live in a world where everyone's out to
Speaker 2: get me spoiler alert, they're not.
Speaker 4: They're not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this guy Wax who claimed everyone's out to
Speaker 1: get him and his other fellow twenty and thirty year
Speaker 1: old white drunk men like started posting this shit about
Speaker 1: how like a private investigator showed up at my apartment
Speaker 1: and recruited me to be part of a secret team
Speaker 1: investigating the smiley Face killers theory, which is another like
Speaker 1: internet conspiracy theory where people are found drowned in a
Speaker 1: river and like a smiley face is nearby and everyone
Speaker 1: thinks that it's like this killer as opposed to accidental
Speaker 1: drowning deaths, which are you know, it's again, it's again,
Speaker 1: like one of those sampling by says where people drowned constantly,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't make the news. The only thing that
Speaker 1: makes the news is violent crimes, and so people assume
Speaker 1: that anytime someone dies that there's got to be more
Speaker 1: to the story. But he posted a video about his
Speaker 1: like this private investigator, and was like, he's downstairs right
Speaker 1: now feeding the meter.
Speaker 4: So I just like jumped on here real quick to
Speaker 4: talk to you guys. He's coming back in.
Speaker 1: I gotta go, like like clearly inventing this guy.
Speaker 4: And everyone was like huh.
Speaker 1: So people started to get suspicious at that point, and
Speaker 1: that skepticism was later rewarded when Wax started including what
Speaker 1: amounted to sponsored content in his videos, which again are
Speaker 1: videos about real life tragedies. But he's part of a
Speaker 1: launch of an app for a social calendar startup company
Speaker 1: for which he was the chief marketing officer, and all
Speaker 1: this bullshit was just about promoting some dumb fucking app.
Speaker 1: The CEO of the app brag about how good the
Speaker 1: murder videos were for their business and bragged that wax
Speaker 1: clever formula is highly reproducible.
Speaker 4: In a post that was later deleted, he.
Speaker 2: Said, best of all this marketing strategy comes at no
Speaker 2: cost to the company.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, I knew capitalism would rear its ugly fucking head somehow.
Speaker 2: It's it's like, yeah, and it was a marketing it
Speaker 2: was a fucking promo.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It turns out it's an ingenious marketing trick to yell
Speaker 1: fire in a crowded theater, because the amount of the
Speaker 1: attention share that you get when you tell people that
Speaker 1: they're about to die, that their death is imminent is
Speaker 1: amazing and what it's irresponsible More on that later.
Speaker 2: How many people who don't know this are gonna ingest
Speaker 2: this shit and be like, man, if someone offers me
Speaker 2: a fucking ride when I'm drunk, they're trying to murder.
Speaker 4: Me, right, you know?
Speaker 2: And now that open yeah yeah is out here just
Speaker 2: wandering the streets, because there's an off of this just
Speaker 2: wacky ass content where someone is clearly fucking lying, Like
Speaker 2: the second is like, yeah, they asked me to join
Speaker 2: a secret detectives club, motherfucker. This ain't the inciting incident
Speaker 2: in some thriller movie. The fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 2: You're lying? Uh? And I feel bad that there are
Speaker 2: people who are because there are so many people who
Speaker 2: are obsessed with the tragedies that befall others, that they
Speaker 2: get sucked into this and then next thing you know,
Speaker 2: they're violently threatening someone who maybe tried to be a
Speaker 2: good Smaritan, even if he was offered an I doubt
Speaker 2: he was even offered a ride. But again, I don't
Speaker 2: know how kind Chicagoans are. If you're stumbling drunk through
Speaker 2: the streets that gang. Let me know, is that something
Speaker 2: where y'all would be like, hey man, you need to
Speaker 2: ride you good because I know in la it ain't
Speaker 2: fucking happening.
Speaker 4: Well, it might be happening if they're and they might
Speaker 4: be trying to rob him, which okay, yeah, there is
Speaker 4: totally there, right. Yeah, I don't think they were.
Speaker 1: Trying to poison and drown him like he assumed, because
Speaker 1: what the fuck is the point of that. Also, so
Speaker 1: we actually don't have to imagine the psychological damage he did.
Speaker 1: Because one mother of a man who died in Chicago's
Speaker 1: Calumet River years ago reached out to him thinking he
Speaker 1: could help answer some questions that she had about her
Speaker 1: son's death, and he just added her son to his
Speaker 1: database of possible victims. Didn't bother to email her back.
Speaker 1: Then she paid him for a fifteen minute Zoom meeting,
Speaker 1: which he flaked on. He just like didn't show up.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like truly brutal, yes, fucking piece of shit.
Speaker 2: Wow wow wow. So and he's what's the next step for.
Speaker 1: He announced it in a video He's dropping the case.
Speaker 1: But just because of the controversy, he isn't admitting to being.
Speaker 4: Full of shit.
Speaker 1: He vowed that he was merely concerned about public safety
Speaker 1: and also has.
Speaker 4: A personal connection to the case.
Speaker 1: Again, his personal connection is he claims some guy tried
Speaker 1: to give him a ride two times. And also he
Speaker 1: issued this apology about like toying with the lives of
Speaker 1: people and making them dredge up and revisit like the
Speaker 1: deaths of loved ones. He did that with Pokemon dolls,
Speaker 1: Pokemon stuff. He's in the background, just.
Speaker 4: Like over his shoulder. Very serious, very very serious.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I can see the contrition in Pikachu's face. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: so in that sense, I do feel that. But again,
Speaker 2: like this is the hard part too, right. The other
Speaker 2: side of this social media coin is it allows people
Speaker 2: with their mendacious and like spurious claims that they know
Speaker 2: are bullshit to go out there, chest out, try and
Speaker 2: get people into some kind of frenzy and then also
Speaker 2: like when they're found out, just continue to be like, oh.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, and that it is what
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: And yeah, maybe I did retraumatize this mother who tragically
Speaker 2: lost her son and I maybe grifted her for thirty bucks.
Speaker 3: I mean that als like on some level that has.
Speaker 2: To be criminal behavior, you know what I mean to
Speaker 2: be taking advantage of someone who's gone through this kind
Speaker 2: of horrible thing and even pretending like you could get
Speaker 2: to the bottom of it and like saying like oh yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'll take your money if you want to talk
Speaker 2: about these cases like come on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know when we were talking about, like, well,
Speaker 1: obviously you can't regulate social media.
Speaker 4: I feel like you should be.
Speaker 1: I feel like we just that needs to be if
Speaker 1: you want to create like a lot of good government jobs,
Speaker 1: try and make the internet like a regulated place where
Speaker 1: people can't do shit like this. It does feel like
Speaker 1: in a rational world, like forty years from now, we'd
Speaker 1: look back on this and be like, man, that was
Speaker 1: really fucked up, and we've now learned our lesson and
Speaker 1: now you can't openly grift people on social media and
Speaker 1: just get away with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just, yeah, it is. It's really hard. It's
Speaker 2: really hard to like think of how it all works.
Speaker 2: But I guess in a way, like as a people,
Speaker 2: maybe we don't deserve social media, we can't have nice
Speaker 2: things that could be used for nice things. But I
Speaker 2: think on some level it incentivizes the worst parts of
Speaker 2: like our human character as well, and it does it
Speaker 2: in a way that just becomes attractive. Like you look
Speaker 2: at all these people who just become like right wing grifters,
Speaker 2: like people who are like, yeah, I was a failed comedian,
Speaker 2: but I know if I say a lot of like
Speaker 2: awful racist shit, I actually have another gig and I
Speaker 2: don't really have to believe it. But these people love
Speaker 2: it because it's social media and it is what it is,
Speaker 2: and I'm benefiting from it. And I think that's the
Speaker 2: biggest part we're seeing with all of these accounts and
Speaker 2: or just like these influencers rise up too, is that
Speaker 2: you know, it's hard to know like how you can
Speaker 2: use it for good or in a way or keep
Speaker 2: people from using it that is just going to lead
Speaker 2: to just a bunch of pain.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And what's sad and ironic is that what gets
Speaker 5: clicks and likes and reviews is deployment of trauma of
Speaker 5: some source, right, somebody else's trauma. But at the end
Speaker 5: of the day, it is how traumatic it is and
Speaker 5: how that is commodified. So that goes back to human
Speaker 5: psyche and human nature and how we look at things
Speaker 5: that do impact us directly.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, because we live in a very lonely world, like
Speaker 1: all these things have sort of corded us off into
Speaker 1: our little capitalism cells where we do the most work
Speaker 1: and work as efficiently as possible and order our food
Speaker 1: to get here so we can, you know, have as
Speaker 1: much free time.
Speaker 2: As we don't food.
Speaker 4: You don't cook food, No.
Speaker 1: Order, you got to order and just have it left
Speaker 1: at your front door and then then so you can
Speaker 1: get back to work.
Speaker 4: And no.
Speaker 1: But I mean they there's skyrocketing loneliness in our society
Speaker 1: and I think worldwide, and these sorts of things like
Speaker 1: you're saying, like packaging and distributing other people's trauma, I
Speaker 1: think praise on it. It's like here's here's some human connection,
Speaker 1: here's some human emotion that you can feel because you know,
Speaker 1: we no longer have deep enriching friendships or like community
Speaker 1: to build on, so you just get to watch tiktoks
Speaker 1: of people trying to solve other people's murders that aren't
Speaker 1: actual murders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's even disingenuous to come some guy solving murders. Really,
Speaker 2: what you can be is duped into a really fucked
Speaker 2: up cynical marketing campaign for some stupid fuck you app
Speaker 2: get out of here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Sadia, it's been such a pleasure having you
Speaker 1: on the show. Where can people find you? Follow you
Speaker 1: all that good stuff.
Speaker 5: You can follow my podcast Immigrantly at Immigrantly Underscore pod
Speaker 5: on Twitter and immigrantly Pod on Instagram, and they can
Speaker 5: follow me on Twitter at s w K Kham and
Speaker 5: listen to Immigrantly. Listen to Invisible Hate, which is another
Speaker 5: podcast that I am creating with the Filion Media and
Speaker 5: it's about ethical storytelling and we highlight injustices against minority
Speaker 5: groups in America.
Speaker 4: Amazing And is there a work of media that you've
Speaker 4: been enjoying?
Speaker 5: So I read a tweet yesterday which goes back to
Speaker 5: the conversation we were having about the British monarchy, and
Speaker 5: I really want to share that because it spoke to
Speaker 5: me and I am thinking it may speak to a
Speaker 5: lot of people who are listening to this, So let
Speaker 5: me just share this. And this is by Sana said.
Speaker 5: Her handle is at Sana sa Nasaed. She's a journalist
Speaker 5: and her tweet is Camilla's necklace worn by queens for coronation.
Speaker 5: Since Victoria contains a twenty two point four to eight
Speaker 5: carret pendant called the Lahore Diamond. It was stolen among
Speaker 5: other jewels, relics, gold when the British invaded and looted
Speaker 5: the Lahore fought in eighteen forty nine, an empire of
Speaker 5: thieves dressed like thieves. And it really spoke to me,
Speaker 5: especially because it's Lahar diamond. I grew up in Lahore.
Speaker 5: It's personal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And is it one of those things too where
Speaker 2: people can see it, like where the like the monarchy
Speaker 2: can thumb their nose at the people who are like
Speaker 2: that should be ours like and you can see it
Speaker 2: here and pay to see your thing, Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean I don't know about this particular necklace because
Speaker 5: she's wearing it. And if people go and just you know,
Speaker 5: google that the hard diamond they'll probably see Kimla wearing it,
Speaker 5: but I'm sure it's on display somewhere right right right.
Speaker 5: People can probably check it out, but that's that's the irony, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Miles, Where can people find you? Is
Speaker 1: there a work media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 2: You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles
Speaker 2: of Gray. You can check Jack and I out on
Speaker 2: our basketball podcast, Miles and Jack Got Mad boost These,
Speaker 2: and also check me and Sophia Alexandra out on four
Speaker 2: to twenty Day Fiance, where we talk about our favorite
Speaker 2: terrible trash reality show, ninety Day Fiance, and we also
Speaker 2: talk about love is Blind. Actually, in the most recent episodes,
Speaker 2: tweets are like, it's just been funny reading about the
Speaker 2: writer's strike. Andrew t pass guest and writer. He quote
Speaker 2: tweeted this thing from WGA West. That's Joe Biden's quote.
Speaker 2: He says, quote this is from the president. Quote. I
Speaker 2: sincerely hope the writer's strike in Hollywood gets resolved and
Speaker 2: the writers are given a fair deal they deserve as
Speaker 2: soon as possible. Andrew tweeted the first terrible omen of
Speaker 2: this strike. This sounds great unless your memory goes back
Speaker 2: more than six months. I'm scared to find out what
Speaker 2: Joe Biden believes is a fair deal I deserve. Yeah,
Speaker 2: hearkening back to that when he broke that railroad strike.
Speaker 2: And also it was just really interesting to see there
Speaker 2: was in Deadline, which is like one of these industry
Speaker 2: blog magazine type things, they wrote up this like union action,
Speaker 2: like of labored.
Speaker 3: They called it how a WGA hit squad is shutting
Speaker 3: down Hollywood one shoot at a time. And all they
Speaker 3: really are mentioning is that the writers are very savvy
Speaker 3: in where they pick it because they know, like unions,
Speaker 3: they're not going to cross picket lines. And they're just saying, like, oh,
Speaker 3: they found this shoot where Maya Rudolph was shooting a
Speaker 3: show in Beverly Hills and all it it takes his
Speaker 3: two people to create a picket line. I think what
Speaker 3: is really interesting about this is it can happen outside
Speaker 3: of La too. There's a lot of shoots that happen
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, in Georgia. There are other states that offer
Speaker 3: a lot of tax incentives where you will see productions happening,
Speaker 3: you can picket and teamsters should not be crossing those
Speaker 3: lines or IATZI members. So they did do a solid
Speaker 3: in the end of it by talking to the people
Speaker 3: who were actually organizing these like very specific like intentional
Speaker 3: picket lines, and they're saying, hopefully this inspires people, you know,
Speaker 3: in other places where production is happening to also get
Speaker 3: involved because that would be.
Speaker 2: Something as well. So anyway, just good to see, you know,
Speaker 2: at least the writers doing their thing. Unfortunately they have
Speaker 2: to because they're not getting their fair shake.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien.
Speaker 1: A couple of tweets I've been enjoying. The onion tweeted
Speaker 1: local brother in law heard you can make shitload of
Speaker 1: money doing that. Just really resonated. And then another Onion tweet,
Speaker 1: no one at laser tag prepared for how our dad
Speaker 1: was going to bring it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it's talking about you, talking about you.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O brian.
Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're
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Speaker 1: we post our episode than our footnotes link off the
Speaker 1: information that we talked about in today's episode was a
Speaker 1: song that we think you might enjoy. Myles, what's the
Speaker 1: song you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: This is from this California band called Goon, and there's
Speaker 2: like an interlude on it that I really really loved.
Speaker 2: Like some you know how sometimes you hear a song
Speaker 2: it's like only a minute fifteen seconds and you're like,
Speaker 2: I wish that was a whole song. Well, this is
Speaker 2: like just a very beautiful instrumental little jam from their
Speaker 2: album Hour of Green Everything. This track is called Pink
Speaker 2: and Orange from Goon, and it's like a very ethereal
Speaker 2: kind of synthesizer kind of I don't know how to
Speaker 2: describe it. It's just it's nice, it's light and it
Speaker 2: feels like I just I just really like the melody
Speaker 2: and how it sort of fills on itself. So check
Speaker 2: it out. Pink and Orange by Goon.
Speaker 4: We like off to that footnote.
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