Speaker 1: Hello everyone.
Speaker 2: I'm Devin Simone and I'm Anissa Ferreira and this is
Speaker 2: MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 1: The Final Edition, Like not Final Final, but you know,
Speaker 1: like we just watched the final, Yes, and while TJ
Speaker 1: took everyone to hell, this week, we won't be doing that.
Speaker 1: We will be having a party in heaven as we
Speaker 1: talk about this episode, how crazy it was, the depravity
Speaker 1: of who came up with said final and all the
Speaker 1: feels at the end.
Speaker 2: I had feels at the end I had, I was triggered.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you if you were triggered, Anissa, Okay,
Speaker 1: what what what?
Speaker 2: I like little Jordan things And I'm like, because like
Speaker 2: you can hear it at the end, like come on, Kat,
Speaker 2: like you can hear him. And it is. One thing
Speaker 2: I could say about Jordan is he's consistent. You know,
Speaker 2: you know what you're getting, and to be honest, like
Speaker 2: it just really brings out the best, Like when you
Speaker 2: feel like you have nothing left, you keep going, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Yeah, So I think he's great
Speaker 2: in that aspect. He did a good job, you know,
Speaker 2: head it. I need to tone it down a bit,
Speaker 2: like we're not all him he's incredible at these things.
Speaker 1: I think he did a good Watching him was interesting,
Speaker 1: especially from watching the when you two competed, because yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're trying to motivate or encourage someone
Speaker 1: like that, Like, I totally get the pressure Jordan is
Speaker 1: under the pressure he puts on himself. But when you're
Speaker 1: trying to encourage someone else, it's really a gift you're
Speaker 1: giving them. And what I mean by that is you
Speaker 1: can't give them the gift you want to receive. So
Speaker 1: just because you're someone who may respond well to like
Speaker 1: hurry up, what are you doing, doesn't mean they respond
Speaker 1: well to that. You have to communicate it in a
Speaker 1: way that they can understand. And I think Jordan did
Speaker 1: a good job in this one. It was It was
Speaker 1: great to see and I love seeing how as they
Speaker 1: got closer towards the end, he's like, you're doing a
Speaker 1: great job. I love to see that he told her
Speaker 1: to break the little you know, until get the trophy.
Speaker 2: He doesn't need. Just knowing he won is fine, you know,
Speaker 2: and knowing that Cas did everything she possibly could, like
Speaker 2: go ahead, girl, this is yours. Like they didn't bother
Speaker 2: him at all. But I will say that it pushing
Speaker 2: pushing kas is like you know, him seeing the potential
Speaker 2: in everyone, you know, if they do really have it,
Speaker 2: and knowing that they have it, not if they do
Speaker 2: have it. Well, I'm just saying like if somebody can't
Speaker 2: do it, they can't do it. But ye knowing like
Speaker 2: like in terms of me, like I'm not the fastest
Speaker 2: runner and I hate it, but the one thing I'm
Speaker 2: not going to do is quit, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: I'll keep going until physically can't. We saw you saw
Speaker 2: that you do that. Yeah, but it's like seas she
Speaker 2: you know, literally like she was like, my body's cramping up,
Speaker 2: like I'm doing whatever. But he was like I wish
Speaker 2: she could see herself, you know. So he does try
Speaker 2: and bring out the best in people, and yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think, yeah, he did a really good job of that.
Speaker 1: And I loved Insane with Troy and Casey seeing their camaraderie.
Speaker 1: And it was tough seeing Casey break down like that,
Speaker 1: like cause I feel like vulnerable side of her and
Speaker 1: so just her breaking down, I know that was got me.
Speaker 1: And and then Troy offering to carry her and like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I know there's been some I know
Speaker 1: there's some people we've had on the podcast who weren't
Speaker 1: Troy fans, but I'm gonna just say it, like I
Speaker 1: am living for Troy. Like also, because let's be honest,
Speaker 1: he showed up on the scene. Look, I know he
Speaker 1: won his season, but he showed up on the scene.
Speaker 1: How many of y'all were a counting he'd make it
Speaker 1: this far, be honest, And then how many of you
Speaker 1: all were counting that he'd even make it this far
Speaker 1: in the final, and like he was grinding it out.
Speaker 1: I was so I am so impressed and just have
Speaker 1: so much respect for him and also just how he
Speaker 1: handled the whole thing.
Speaker 2: What do you think? I mean, I feel like everybody
Speaker 2: who got there clearly like and I know it from
Speaker 2: like I guess a production standpoint, because you know, we've
Speaker 2: interviewed a bunch of them that like the they get
Speaker 2: people in the final and they're like, Okay, well we're
Speaker 2: we made a final that we made sure that like
Speaker 2: hopefully all of you can complete or do. So I
Speaker 2: knew going into it like these these teams were going
Speaker 2: to be amazing. It just I think speaks to all
Speaker 2: of their characters, like individually, what kind of people they
Speaker 2: are at their heart right, you know, at the poor
Speaker 2: are like who is Troy? Who is Casey? You know?
Speaker 2: Even Torri was like nothing like.
Speaker 1: Being in that situation you're dying up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's hydrated. Yeah, that's it, and that person forever
Speaker 2: becomes like bonded to you. You know. I don't know
Speaker 2: if the same is for Danny and Tory, but for
Speaker 2: everybody else.
Speaker 1: Oh that's actually yeah good Okay, So a good point,
Speaker 1: Anissa that you bring up, because I heard nothing but
Speaker 1: words of encouragement from Tory in so there was a
Speaker 1: couple of things that stots me is interesting about this episode.
Speaker 1: So on one hand, I had nothing but words of
Speaker 1: encouragement for Tory in this final And while Danny was
Speaker 1: maybe a little less like specifically encouraging, he was very
Speaker 1: much just like, you know, don't apologize, like just don't quit,
Speaker 1: Like like he wasn't not Yeah that makes it like, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he wasn't not encouraging. But I will say this in interview,
Speaker 1: when they were in that crazy geat Great Gatsby Vie,
Speaker 1: like and.
Speaker 2: Who come but you would have loved that, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: would have been he would have been like wait a minute,
Speaker 2: I brought my own pearls. Oh, I would have would
Speaker 2: have been from your uniform like that, it would go
Speaker 2: and get my jewels. Yes, that would have one hundred
Speaker 2: percent my favorite part. And the gloves.
Speaker 1: And also I can stay up easily. I'm actually pretty good.
Speaker 1: I have like weird sleeping habits, so that would have
Speaker 1: been my moment to shine. Everything else I would have died,
Speaker 1: but that I would have loved. And I also would
Speaker 1: have known not to eat that much because you cannot trust.
Speaker 1: You cannot trust when they give you stuff like don't know,
Speaker 1: don't ever get comfortable Champagne. The itis is it is
Speaker 1: a real.
Speaker 2: Especially if you haven't had anything and you've been throwing up.
Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that they gave them ivs, I'm like,
Speaker 2: in what world?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was even wild to you, and not
Speaker 1: them making Jordan hunger games for nutrients, right, like, not
Speaker 1: them making them be like only one of the teammates
Speaker 1: gets nutrients.
Speaker 2: And Jordan's when she was like, well, I guess I'm
Speaker 2: gonna ty kit and he's like yeah, like well you know,
Speaker 2: you know, like like of course, yeah, it's never fair.
Speaker 1: But back to the Tory and uh dannything. So what
Speaker 1: was interesting though, is the thing that Danny has been
Speaker 1: fighting because I just want to like, it was interesting
Speaker 1: that came up. All season he's been fighting basically being
Speaker 1: like Casey and Jordan are Tories number ones and he
Speaker 1: wanted to be Toys number one, but also that they
Speaker 1: would be a problem in the final, right And then
Speaker 1: at one point after we see them doing like the
Speaker 1: loops of Hell, and you know, Casey and Jordan are
Speaker 1: right there like chugging along, and it's like, Yep, this
Speaker 1: is exactly what Danny was talking about about, like not
Speaker 1: wanting to see them in a final. So you know,
Speaker 1: he wasn't he wasn't wrong on that part in that standpoint.
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I feel like they played
Speaker 1: their team played smart to even get to the final, right,
Speaker 1: Like they got to the final. They got to the
Speaker 1: final without being in an elimination the night before, because
Speaker 1: I think that's what was hurting Casey and Troy, right,
Speaker 1: is that they were still sore.
Speaker 2: From that elimination.
Speaker 1: But yeah, just everything that Danny was not only fighting
Speaker 1: for the season, but apparently still fighting for on Twitter, allegedly.
Speaker 2: Screenshops because you know I'm not on Twitter anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're adding me because I don't know my fast word,
Speaker 2: so thank you. I think that's a word. Luck out girl.
Speaker 2: I have no idea because it's attached to my school email,
Speaker 2: which expire.
Speaker 1: Yeah that happened. Yeah that happened to me too recently.
Speaker 2: But I don't give a shit. It's been beautiful. It's
Speaker 2: like almost It's like I'm almost on a retreat, but
Speaker 2: I'm still at my place. It's been wonderful. Well that's
Speaker 2: a good way to look at it. I like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this it was, it was it was all
Speaker 1: the fields.
Speaker 2: I will say this.
Speaker 1: I feel like they should bring back giving prize money
Speaker 1: to first, second, and third place because I think when
Speaker 1: people it's been nice in past seasons to see winners
Speaker 1: share some money. I think that's lovely. I know Sarah's
Speaker 1: less of a fan of that apparently after if you
Speaker 1: heard last week's episode, but in general, I think that's lovely.
Speaker 1: But I just I think they should bring that back.
Speaker 1: I don't love this, like all for one ish thing.
Speaker 1: Bring it back. They deserve at least something, I feel
Speaker 1: like they do. And props to all these teams for
Speaker 1: showing a part and also Sarah for being so gracious
Speaker 1: with the oh yeah, and.
Speaker 2: So emotional about it because she really would have died
Speaker 2: out It seems like she would.
Speaker 1: At a heart he would have been interesting.
Speaker 2: But I know in those conditions when like you have
Speaker 2: nothing and it just hurts, and when the adrenaline starts
Speaker 2: to when it does like calm down a little bit, yeah,
Speaker 2: start to swell, and you start to see it. So
Speaker 2: I get the full entire moment of when that happens,
Speaker 2: and then you just get in your head of like
Speaker 2: is it worth it? Can I do this? So I know,
Speaker 2: like and anyone who's ever rolled an ankle kind of knows.
Speaker 2: And normally you're not in this position. You know, you
Speaker 2: wrap it up, get some ice, goes to your doctor.
Speaker 2: You're not like on a dirt road in Africa. So
Speaker 2: you know that's fair, definitely fair. Hope he's doing well,
Speaker 2: but that that totally messes up your rhythm, especially for
Speaker 2: somebody who is as athletic as THEO is. I mean
Speaker 2: we at least is athletic as that dolphin badge implied.
Speaker 2: Nobody said it could swim. I just meant an athletic
Speaker 2: in terms of running.
Speaker 1: You don't know, we're referencing go back and listen to
Speaker 1: last week's episode. Yeah, you know other Lesson learned because
Speaker 1: he said explicitly, you know, oh, I was looking over
Speaker 1: like to the left or something, and then I rolled
Speaker 1: my ankle, So he you know, stepped on a rock
Speaker 1: or something presumably and then rolled it or just stepped
Speaker 1: kind of landed. Funny between that and your ankle. It's
Speaker 1: like Lesson learned if in a Challenge final or a
Speaker 1: rocky road, look down when running, even if it seems
Speaker 1: little counterintuitive, because these rolled ankles, man are the ultimate
Speaker 1: building of the challenge. Like I'm they are more reckless
Speaker 1: than Kelly Anne's gameplay. They're just wild and but overall
Speaker 1: I thought it was beautiful final. I love when I
Speaker 1: have feels at the end. To me, that is the
Speaker 1: signifier that, like I was emotionally invested, and that's how
Speaker 1: I felt towards the end of this. Who for you, Anissa,
Speaker 1: were you're king and queen of the world? And then
Speaker 1: Who's on another planet? And then we're gonna do it
Speaker 1: for the season.
Speaker 2: Who is your king? Queen? I'm gonna do for care?
Speaker 2: There might be more, but I want to say the
Speaker 2: person who did it the soundtrack because at the beginning
Speaker 2: when they're getting on the train, I was like, yes,
Speaker 2: whatever is this? I loved all of that. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 2: I mean this is hard because there's just like so
Speaker 2: many people. I feel like that stood out in this
Speaker 2: episode of really like doing it. I mean it's like
Speaker 2: a toss up between Kaz and Troy for me, of
Speaker 2: like kas really pushing herself when she felt like there
Speaker 2: was nothing and you heard her like screaming and like
Speaker 2: wanted to you could hear the pain, and then Troy
Speaker 2: being so accommodating and just so loving. So I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, every a lot of people are wearing crowns
Speaker 2: this episode on another planet?
Speaker 1: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: TJ Like you can teach? I mean I could. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't love the train conductor outfit. It was hilarious,
Speaker 2: it was so it was so funny. But whoever created
Speaker 2: this this final is on another planet? That's who I
Speaker 2: was putting on the other planets.
Speaker 1: Whoever, whoever was like Ivy's and Gatsbee, although again I
Speaker 1: appreciate the Gatsweeve part, but still yeah, rings of Hell.
Speaker 1: I feel like, what have you been watching, dear producer,
Speaker 1: or like, what's going on in your life? Do we
Speaker 1: need to talk so that you know, next time the
Speaker 1: finals not so dark. I don't know, but yeah, that's
Speaker 1: who would be on the other planet for me as
Speaker 1: far as King and or Queen, I think for me,
Speaker 1: it's gonna.
Speaker 2: Have to go to Troy.
Speaker 1: And that could be personal too, because maybe I underestimated him.
Speaker 1: I don't say underestimated him like I figured he'd finish,
Speaker 1: but just how strongly he did it, that he again
Speaker 1: was willing to take Casey on his back, like and
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and just all everything, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: he definitely gets my king of this episode and of
Speaker 1: the season. There were so many good people, so many
Speaker 1: great players, but I might even say Troy gets my
Speaker 1: crown for the whole season because when I think about
Speaker 1: the people who were thrown in so many times, him
Speaker 1: being one of them, right, threw in so many times,
Speaker 1: thrown into so many times. I feel like, overall while
Speaker 1: playing the game, strategically maintained a positive attitude, you know,
Speaker 1: like he didn't become bitter, he didn't become like I
Speaker 1: hate everyone in this house. They're all the worse, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, he got mad, but and then just really
Speaker 1: crushing it out in this final, you know, team Australia.
Speaker 1: And it's not just because I'm marrying it Australia. That's
Speaker 1: exactly why it is, not just because it's part not
Speaker 1: just but partially Okay, no, okay, yes I part Australia
Speaker 1: has a part of my heart, but in general I
Speaker 1: also am very much.
Speaker 2: I think he gets my crown of the season. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if I really want to
Speaker 2: crown you for the whole season. It's just I don't
Speaker 2: know who was on another planet for the whole season. Yes,
Speaker 2: he didn't give that for the whole season. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like different weeks, people have different times to
Speaker 2: be like their rocker a bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think there was a single person this
Speaker 1: whole season that got on my nerves. Now, granted Danny,
Speaker 1: I gave Danny a lot of flak. He got on
Speaker 1: my nerves a lot of the season, A lot of it's.
Speaker 2: True, still pe on Twitter, Casey, but I got he
Speaker 2: didn't get in elimination a bunch of times. And still
Speaker 2: see got there. That's what I'm saying. I feel like.
Speaker 2: And they finished and Casey Cross showed like a lot
Speaker 2: of vulnerability, which I thought was great. I guess. I
Speaker 2: guess their team could kind of caseop.
Speaker 1: I'll give it to my friends and Troy the Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, Anissa were united today.
Speaker 2: Sorry, well you know what time it is. It is
Speaker 2: time by the end of you the first ever Challenge
Speaker 2: World Championship champion coming to you from the UKs cross Wait,
Speaker 2: do it in your accent, Anissa, No, it was coming
Speaker 2: straight from the u. Okay, Kasprosley, is you today? We're
Speaker 2: gonna interview here and see how she feels, Is she
Speaker 2: doing well, things of that nature. So we're gonna do
Speaker 2: that and we'll be right back. All right, folks, we
Speaker 2: have a very very very very very special guest today.
Speaker 2: Not only did she win the Challenge UK, she also
Speaker 2: is our new and only and first winner of the
Speaker 2: Challenge World Championship. Please welcome Kaz Crossley.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Oh my gosh, I love that intro.
Speaker 2: You killed it. You didn't die. You were going to,
Speaker 2: but you didn't die.
Speaker 3: It's the hardest thing ever, honestly, like thank God for Jordan,
Speaker 3: but literally like dragging me through. But yeah, we did it.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy. I'm so happy. Honestly it still feels
Speaker 3: all like a dream, but yeah, having to watch that,
Speaker 3: it was like, Wow, I did that?
Speaker 1: Did it give you any emotion? Like watching it back?
Speaker 1: What were the feelings that went through? Because obviously we
Speaker 1: see a lot of emotion as you're competing, you know
Speaker 1: in that moment, what feelings came up when you watched
Speaker 1: that play back and you saw how hard you were
Speaker 1: fighting through all of the pain and the challenges of
Speaker 1: that final.
Speaker 3: You know, rewatching it didn't really trigger like the negative emotions.
Speaker 3: It triggered very like happy feelings, like obviously winning it.
Speaker 3: And also like after I did the mountain bike, I
Speaker 3: know it was quite a short clip, but that was
Speaker 3: actually really really hard, Like honestly, that was probably like
Speaker 3: the hardest thing for me. Like, of course the ensurance
Speaker 3: was long, but it was technically like it was a
Speaker 3: really really small trail and there was really really sharp corners.
Speaker 3: I think Tory said, yeah, this is fucking hard, Dunny,
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was super super hard and it was
Speaker 3: really long as well. Like obviously we just saw a
Speaker 3: quick snippet, but Jordan was going super super fast because
Speaker 3: Casey and Treu were in front of us, and I
Speaker 3: just remember being on that bike and I hadn't rid
Speaker 3: a bicycle since like maybe like ten years. Guys like
Speaker 3: really and yes, and this is like completely downhill, and
Speaker 3: you know, like what Jordan's like, he's so competitive and
Speaker 3: he's going super fast because he knows if he slows
Speaker 3: down then we're just gonna slow right, But we had
Speaker 3: to stay in front with Casey and Troy. So he's
Speaker 3: going super fast. He's pushing me, you can do it,
Speaker 3: you can do it, you can do it, and I'm
Speaker 3: like nearly falling off, Like literally, I nearly felt like
Speaker 3: I was gonna die, like because I was pushing myself
Speaker 3: so much. And then finally when it was done, I
Speaker 3: was like, wow, like that was the only thing I
Speaker 3: could think about, Like I can't believe I did that
Speaker 3: bike ride, you know. So I was like I was
Speaker 3: really excited to watch that back and it was like
Speaker 3: five seconds of the screen and I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, but I know myself that I was so
Speaker 3: proud of myself that I did that, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And your alswer was like, h you know, your
Speaker 2: partner is a maniac when it comes to these things,
Speaker 2: like really good at everything. But you know everyone right
Speaker 2: a final with him is one come on, catch me?
Speaker 2: Is an interesting thing to go through. I think he
Speaker 2: was better this time around.
Speaker 3: But I think I think he's definitely learned probably from
Speaker 3: his experiences overall, like with you and then with me
Speaker 3: through the show, and he kind of knows how I work,
Speaker 3: like you know when he the way he speaks to
Speaker 3: me and like how yelling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it kisses me off. And I'm the very
Speaker 2: emotional person. So I was crying during the final, So
Speaker 2: it's a lot, but.
Speaker 3: I cried that whole season.
Speaker 2: It's really emotional. But the one thing is that like
Speaker 2: he's like it was everything but a triathlon for him,
Speaker 2: Like all you had to do was add swimming because
Speaker 2: for him, he does this all the time. He bikes
Speaker 2: all the time, he runs all the time, going with
Speaker 2: somebody who was a master of course and keeping up
Speaker 2: with that should say something about you too, because he's
Speaker 2: not He's right, right, He's not normal.
Speaker 3: He's a superhuman. He literally is amazing, Like they literally
Speaker 3: call him a challenge champion and he's won so many
Speaker 3: and he's the best because I know he is the best,
Speaker 3: Like I trust him with everything, Like he obviously took
Speaker 3: so many decisions for us, and yeah, I completely had
Speaker 3: to just kind of you know, allow him to take
Speaker 3: control because I trusted him to do that, and like
Speaker 3: that was the best decision because I got to the final.
Speaker 3: And even in the final, he pushed me so hard
Speaker 3: and he was really good with me, and there was
Speaker 3: times that you know, it got too much or like
Speaker 3: it was hard like that. There was there was a
Speaker 3: time I think they caught a little bit, but like
Speaker 3: I literally couldn't breathe, like I felt abound. It so
Speaker 3: hard to breathe. It felt like an asthma attack, even
Speaker 3: though I hadn't had asthma since I was a child.
Speaker 3: Like physically the air was not going through my throat.
Speaker 3: It was like my throat was closing up. And his
Speaker 3: thing was like, do not stop, has do not stop
Speaker 3: doing that stop And I was literally like I have
Speaker 3: to stop because I cannot breathe. And then I was
Speaker 3: like I think I'm having an asthma attack, and he
Speaker 3: was like, no, you're not having an asthma attack. And
Speaker 3: I was like, how do you know what? I'm like
Speaker 3: my body to tell me everything, and I'm literally like
Speaker 3: I had breathe and he's like being not stuffing, and
Speaker 3: then he literally like got on his knees and was
Speaker 3: like let me carry you, let me carry you. And
Speaker 3: I was like no, like you're not carrying me, Like
Speaker 3: I can't walk. I just can't breathe like so, and
Speaker 3: then that was like a big thing. And then it
Speaker 3: was during the loops of Hell and then one of
Speaker 3: the last because they that's a long babe, Like literally
Speaker 3: we did it like four times and obviously it looks
Speaker 3: so fast, but this is like the whole day we're running,
Speaker 3: you know, and the and the hills and the rocks,
Speaker 3: you know, like hurt his ankle because the the the
Speaker 3: path it just wasn't flat at all, like it was
Speaker 3: really fun. You have to look in front of you,
Speaker 3: you know. So yeah, this is when I couldn't breathe
Speaker 3: and he was like begging me to lay and carry
Speaker 3: carry him. And it was like he was saying, I
Speaker 3: have too much pride, but I knew that if I
Speaker 3: wanted him to carry me, I would let him, you know.
Speaker 3: So I was like I can't breathe, and then he
Speaker 3: was like, go to carry on. And then that basically
Speaker 3: we didn't talk to each other like one of the
Speaker 3: whole laps like to each other. But then afterwards like
Speaker 3: we was like okay, let's let's be friends again and
Speaker 3: then we carried on. So yeah, he was definitely he
Speaker 3: definitely pushed me so hard, but he was like really
Speaker 3: good about it. I think he had learnt by the final,
Speaker 3: like how I work like as a person, you know,
Speaker 3: but yeah, we worked really well together eventually.
Speaker 1: Kas What was your mindset coming into this season seeing
Speaker 1: that you were already coming off of a challenge win,
Speaker 1: you know, like winning the final and then you're entering
Speaker 1: this house. Was there additional Do you think that maybe
Speaker 1: you had additional pressure on yourself? Were you kind of
Speaker 1: coming in on a clean slate? Like what was your
Speaker 1: mentality first coming into the house?
Speaker 3: For me? Because I was in there with all these
Speaker 3: people who had done like really long seasons and other
Speaker 3: shows before, and then I think like I kind of
Speaker 3: played it down in my head the UK season because
Speaker 3: it was like a lot faster, and you know, I
Speaker 3: even said to THEO, I was like, you know, like,
Speaker 3: how does it feel like I have a champ before you?
Speaker 3: And he was like, You're not even a champ. That
Speaker 3: wasn't a real season.
Speaker 2: So it was like, oh, yeah, I can't let you
Speaker 2: have it.
Speaker 3: Yeah I'm not like I'm looking around and all these
Speaker 3: people like are literally beast and like the fact that
Speaker 3: Emily was in there and she was like an Olympian,
Speaker 3: and then there was just all these like really really strong,
Speaker 3: like you know, physically looking strong women, and then I
Speaker 3: just had me and then obviously Zaza, like who's smaller
Speaker 3: than me? But she's just I reckon, she's stronger than me,
Speaker 3: Like she's so strong, you know, So I think, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I had this kind of self like doubt from the start,
Speaker 3: like I just said to myself, I'm just going to
Speaker 3: do what I can do, and everything that I do
Speaker 3: in life, I always do my best anyway, so I
Speaker 3: don't I don't have to like talk myself out like
Speaker 3: I'm the best. I'm the best, Like I just do
Speaker 3: my best and then that's just what happens. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I was really kind of kind of skeptical, like what
Speaker 3: was going to be like because I knew I was
Speaker 3: in for a challenge basically, and then from the first
Speaker 3: challenge it was so hard and I was like whoa,
Speaker 3: Like this is what it's going to be like for
Speaker 3: the rest of the season.
Speaker 2: How long was the challenge? UK?
Speaker 3: It was six weeks. I'm sorry two weeks. It was
Speaker 3: two weeks.
Speaker 2: It was to see which challenges you did, because I
Speaker 2: wonder if they were the same ones.
Speaker 3: We did some of the same ones apparently of you guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it almost felt like that was the qualifier,
Speaker 2: like everybody doing the same ones and then meeting up
Speaker 2: on this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and it was changed slightly, I guess, yeah,
Speaker 3: but we did speak about it like, oh, did you
Speaker 3: do this one or did you do this one? And
Speaker 3: it was like it was funny because one of the
Speaker 3: games from the one of the challenges from the UK
Speaker 3: season when we had to do the ice bath and
Speaker 3: the putting the piece of the puzzle. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so like I think I won that one. And we
Speaker 3: did it in like like forty five minutes or fifty
Speaker 3: minutes or something, and we thought we were like sick.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, how long did you take?
Speaker 3: Was like, oh, we did it in like ten minutes.
Speaker 2: It wasn't well, George, okay, you might have embellished a bit,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't that I only went three times back
Speaker 2: and forth and I just memorized all of the things
Speaker 2: at once.
Speaker 3: We did it like ten times, and we thought we
Speaker 3: was like sick.
Speaker 2: I couldn't get under the wall. Girl, I love it.
Speaker 2: I bench pressed the whole wall. I got so like claustrophobic.
Speaker 2: I picked up the.
Speaker 3: Whole Oh my god.
Speaker 2: It was funny because we out of here.
Speaker 3: People were doing it like different, like someone going in
Speaker 3: backwards feet first, Someone's going first. Yeah, Like my boots
Speaker 3: were like full of sand. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that gets you. I feel like that gets
Speaker 2: you prepaired because knowing that, knowing we all did the
Speaker 2: same things you came in with, knowing that, like you're
Speaker 2: capable of doing these things. Wow, I think they just
Speaker 2: up it because it is you know, this champion, you
Speaker 2: know Chip season right, Yeah, and everyone is really I
Speaker 2: feel like you had two challenges going on because THEO
Speaker 2: was in the house as well.
Speaker 1: Like being in the Challenge house with an X, And
Speaker 1: did you and Jordan or you and Tory ever sort
Speaker 1: of bond over that or connect over that. Just the
Speaker 1: fact that both of you had xes in the you know,
Speaker 1: it's pretty significant x's in the house.
Speaker 3: I feel like it was different for me and THEO
Speaker 3: and then Jordan Tory because they were like they had
Speaker 3: some form of friendship, you know, they like had communication
Speaker 3: between them, but like me, and THEO going in, we
Speaker 3: hadn't spoken, Like, we did a show together before, it
Speaker 3: was called X on the Beach and we really really clashed,
Speaker 3: like really really badly, and we hadn't spoken since then.
Speaker 3: So I thought, you know, if THEO is there, like
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want it to affect my game, So I
Speaker 3: would be very good at kind of like shutting him
Speaker 3: out and not letting affect me, because you know, it's different,
Speaker 3: you know it on the Beach the Challenge does two
Speaker 3: different shows, like ones about finding love and this and
Speaker 3: this is like way more serious, this is like life
Speaker 3: changing money. You can't let outside factors like affect your game,
Speaker 3: you know. And I think he had that same mentality.
Speaker 3: I think he had the mentality that if she goes
Speaker 3: against me, she goes against me. If she wants to
Speaker 3: work with me, I'll do that. And so where we
Speaker 3: had both had the same mentality, like we both wanted
Speaker 3: to win. And then also because the house was full
Speaker 3: of so many different like characters and they were all
Speaker 3: from different countries, you know, I had Zaza there, but
Speaker 3: and Nathan of course, but like when they had left,
Speaker 3: THEO was like the only person I could really connect
Speaker 3: with who really knew me, you know, so actually the
Speaker 3: same action, same banter moth master lot. So so yeah,
Speaker 3: we ended up yeah, really kind of supporting each other.
Speaker 3: And yeah, he was really there for me. I feel
Speaker 3: like I was really dead for him as an alliance. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we work together. Well, where does your relation there's there's
Speaker 3: still like that kind of for me. I don't think
Speaker 3: you can have that close friendship with an ex, like
Speaker 3: I know Jordan Toy is quite different. But I feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's good to love from a distance, you know,
Speaker 3: and like we've spoken here and there since the show,
Speaker 3: and yeah, there's a lot of love there and yeah,
Speaker 3: like I wish him all the best and I'm glad
Speaker 3: that it's not on good terms now.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: Basically you're like I'm in the Winter Circle now for
Speaker 1: real theater.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, hello when you come to this chunk side.
Speaker 2: But I also feel he was there for you, like
Speaker 2: these moments were you're outside and Jordan's on the other
Speaker 2: side and you're not like really getting a word in edgeways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, get a.
Speaker 2: Little frustrating, and I feel like THEO was there for
Speaker 2: you in those moments of like I feel like I
Speaker 2: need to protect my friend here or off for some
Speaker 2: type of comfort.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that, no, he was that. There was a moment
Speaker 3: in the show. It wasn't shown, but me and Jordan
Speaker 3: having a very heated, heated discussion about you know, going
Speaker 3: into the elimination and everything like that, and then THEO
Speaker 3: must have been sat behind him because it was at
Speaker 3: the bar, and then Jordan said, like, you just said this,
Speaker 3: and then literally I knew that I didn't say it.
Speaker 3: I was like, I didn't say that, and then be Crius,
Speaker 3: THEO had heard the conversation. He like turned around and
Speaker 3: was like she didn't say that, bro, And it was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, Like he had my back. So I'm
Speaker 3: very grateful for that.
Speaker 2: That's so good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like.
Speaker 2: It was working with Jordan when it comes to like
Speaker 2: what Jordan thinks, sometimes it's hard to move him from
Speaker 2: that oh yeah experience, like like when I saw you
Speaker 2: guys with like puzzles and stuff, and like I feel
Speaker 2: like you saw certain things that he didn't see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean that definitely happened, but he
Speaker 3: didn't like he would let me take over as well.
Speaker 3: So that was good. Yeah, Yeah, that was really good.
Speaker 3: I mean in the swimming challenge when we had that
Speaker 3: triangle puzzle, like I definitely helped, and he's good at
Speaker 3: like allowing me to do the puzzles as well. Because
Speaker 3: some I have to say something, you know, Like sometimes
Speaker 3: when I don't know, then I will literally not say something,
Speaker 3: but when I do know, I will say it right.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it takes two brains to make it work.
Speaker 2: That was that your relationship the whole time you repaired up.
Speaker 3: I think there was just like little things that happened
Speaker 3: like throughout the challenges that made me kind of, you know,
Speaker 3: feel very like patronized by him, like the way he
Speaker 3: like spoke and stuff. But of course, like when you're
Speaker 3: new going into the challenge and you have someone that
Speaker 3: has done it so many times, like you're going to
Speaker 3: listen to them and you're going to like let them
Speaker 3: take over and everything like that. But then obviously there
Speaker 3: came for me a point where I had to say something,
Speaker 3: and that was after Tristan and Kelly Anne were eliminated
Speaker 3: and I actually didn't know that they had this whole
Speaker 3: plan to get them out, you know, so I can
Speaker 3: imagine me like I'm actually already upset them, you know,
Speaker 3: voting some friends in, but I'm thinking that it was
Speaker 3: like completely.
Speaker 2: Like by accidendom.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So when I'm standing up there and watching them compete,
Speaker 3: I was watching them be and I was standing up
Speaker 3: there and then everything's like clicking baby, Like literally I
Speaker 3: was putting all the pieces of pots together, and I
Speaker 3: was like what I was like? And then that was
Speaker 3: when I was just like, nah, I was like, why
Speaker 3: are you making decisions as well and then literally making
Speaker 3: me feel so bad about them, and then there's a
Speaker 3: whole other thing going on about it. And then that's
Speaker 3: when I said to him, Arthur, I was like, I
Speaker 3: did not know that you did that, and I just
Speaker 3: want to know, like, why have you kept me out
Speaker 3: of this situation? And he said because you might say
Speaker 3: something to them, and you might speak and you might
Speaker 3: ruin it and blah blah blah. And then that was
Speaker 3: when it was like, do you trust me? Because if
Speaker 3: you're my partner, you have to trust me. You have
Speaker 3: to let me in on decisions so I can know
Speaker 3: what's going on because we are working together.
Speaker 2: Like it's exactly.
Speaker 3: If I walked out of the show, he wouldn't wait
Speaker 3: because his partner's gone. You know what, I mean like
Speaker 3: we're fully together. And then he said, oh, you're not
Speaker 3: as experienced as me, You're this is this, And then
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, like the way you're talking down on me,
Speaker 3: like it's true, but it's not something where I'm less
Speaker 3: of a person to you, or I'm less of a partnership,
Speaker 3: or I like I shouldn't be treated as equal. You know,
Speaker 3: we are definitely not the same, We're not the same,
Speaker 3: but we are definitely equal in this game. Right. So
Speaker 3: then that's what it was when I had to say something,
Speaker 3: and then after that it was getting a lot better,
Speaker 3: and you know, it was just something that you had
Speaker 3: to work on. And I will never complain about Jordan
Speaker 3: because he literally is amazing and an amazing partner. And
Speaker 3: for me, someone who doesn't believe in themselves, I don't
Speaker 3: have that, you know. Yeah, I'm gonna be the best.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna beat everyone, and I'm not like that, you know.
Speaker 3: And he literally taught me like Pad, like you are sick,
Speaker 3: like you can do this, like you are literally amazing,
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't want to be fun with anyone else
Speaker 3: Like we're gonna he was telling me every single day,
Speaker 3: because we're going to win this, like you know that, right,
Speaker 3: And I'd be like yeah, but he's knowing that, he
Speaker 3: knows in his head he's going to win, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. He called me so much, like literally
Speaker 3: like he's a fucking sick partner man, and I can't
Speaker 3: couldn't be more grateful to be his partner in this
Speaker 3: whole game because I've learned a lot and you know,
Speaker 3: I've benefited from it.
Speaker 2: To me, are you guys still in contact?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna yeah, literally all the time, like we always
Speaker 3: catch up and he's always yeah, sending me messages and
Speaker 3: it's nice. It is really nice.
Speaker 2: That's how I got your phone number. I'm like, uh, Jordan,
Speaker 2: I've got a business number and a personal one.
Speaker 3: You just messaged from one personal. But then I didn't ask.
Speaker 2: God, if I go up on the business one, I
Speaker 2: would have been really sad. I do want to headband,
Speaker 2: but I would have been really sad.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, if you want to have that, you
Speaker 3: just tell me which one you reacht. Did you see
Speaker 3: everyone was wearing Mymoiselle.
Speaker 2: I loved it, and like, way to also promote your
Speaker 2: own ship.
Speaker 3: They're so handy, like obviously it was windy, it was
Speaker 3: like hot, like it gets your hair rug your face.
Speaker 2: When them in interviews, and I was like, they're so cute.
Speaker 1: Get some some kaz merch over here at the Official
Speaker 1: Challenge podcast.
Speaker 3: Of course you can.
Speaker 2: Every time I interviewed people, thank you.
Speaker 3: It was really nice. And they were asking me if
Speaker 3: I'm about to do interead, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: like I have to force my friends to wea them.
Speaker 3: You just want to wear those banks.
Speaker 1: Guys, who else did you come away from in that
Speaker 1: house with a particularly close relationship? Maybe one that we
Speaker 1: didn't really get to see, but was there anyone else
Speaker 1: that you really bonded with or maybe a relationship that
Speaker 1: like surprised you that you developed in the house.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I have I have probably to mention so
Speaker 3: one being keiky, everyone obviously saw that me and Zara
Speaker 3: were really close, right, and I probably didn't come out
Speaker 3: my shower until she went home. But key Meet and
Speaker 3: Zara shared a room together, and honestly, like that girl,
Speaker 3: she is so hilarious. She is so cool, Like she
Speaker 3: would help me wear my clothes I'd let out, she
Speaker 3: borrow me her clothes and she was just like such
Speaker 3: a nice roommate. To have because I literally felt like
Speaker 3: I could talk to her about every anything and she
Speaker 3: felt like my proper, big, big big sister in there,
Speaker 3: like honestly, I love us so much and we literally
Speaker 3: talk all the time.
Speaker 1: She seemed like such a sweetheart. We are on the podcast,
Speaker 1: she's hilarious. I do have a question then, about your
Speaker 1: take on this, because I've been seeing on social there's
Speaker 1: been kind of a debate and we had conflicting stories
Speaker 1: here on the podcast or just different perspectives the whole
Speaker 1: Key Key versus Emily dynamic, right, Like, as a viewer,
Speaker 1: there's one thing like on you know, it seemed that maybe.
Speaker 2: Keiki felt like kind of had it out.
Speaker 1: For her from the beginning and was upset maybe about
Speaker 1: their previous experience on the challenge in Kiki winning. Emily
Speaker 1: felt like Kiki made that.
Speaker 2: Up in her head.
Speaker 1: And obviously I'm paraphrasing, but uh, And for those listening,
Speaker 1: you can go back and listen to the previous interviews
Speaker 1: with them and kind of get some context.
Speaker 3: But it seems about like Emily said that about Kiki.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Emily, No, So Kiki felt like maybe Emily had
Speaker 1: a chip from the previous chat, like from.
Speaker 3: The yeah, and then Emily said making up yeah.
Speaker 1: And Emily felt like Kiki was making it up in
Speaker 1: her head and that ultimately Kiki and even Troy like
Speaker 1: had it out for Emily, and that Keki and Troy
Speaker 1: were kind of the bad guys. And so I'm curious
Speaker 1: not as to who the bad guy is, but like
Speaker 1: were they both in their heads about like where did this?
Speaker 1: I mean, because Team Australia was not united by any
Speaker 1: means at any point, So what are your thoughts having
Speaker 1: been in the house.
Speaker 3: So, having been in the house obviously from the first
Speaker 3: first episode and the first elimination, before we were even
Speaker 3: partnered with our legends, Kiki and me got voted in
Speaker 3: right and there was like a weird kind of energy
Speaker 3: in the house, and Kiki told me, like, I think
Speaker 3: Emily knew this was going to happen, and obviously like
Speaker 3: they did. She didn't say anything like I reckon this
Speaker 3: was planned. I'm like, babe, like, you're defo paranoid right out,
Speaker 3: like that didn't happen. When I'm watching it, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: he was right. So Giky was right from the get go,
Speaker 3: you know, and she honestly from being in the house
Speaker 3: and seeing like them saying oh hi, they were well done.
Speaker 3: Da da dah. It was like it was so fake,
Speaker 3: like there was no kind of from from the first
Speaker 3: initial thing when Team Australia happened, there was never they
Speaker 3: were never going to be aligned because they didn't want
Speaker 3: You need to want the best for your partner, you know,
Speaker 3: like you need to want the best of your teammate.
Speaker 3: If any of my teammates win, if Tristan one, if
Speaker 3: Zaza wanted, if Nathan won, I'd be so happy for them.
Speaker 3: How can you be in the interview saying, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I don't have to win with Team Australia.
Speaker 3: I'm the only one who needs to win. Like, if
Speaker 3: you have that mentality, you don't care about your teammates.
Speaker 3: So that's my take on it. That's my take on it.
Speaker 3: And I didn't really see that in the house, but
Speaker 3: I definitely saw that now watching it back. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean maybe Emily knew that Kiki had the power
Speaker 3: to beat her in a final. So from the you
Speaker 3: want to get out of the people that you know
Speaker 3: your your most Yeah competitive, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is getting spicy.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break but don't go
Speaker 1: anywhere because we'll be right back after this. Was there
Speaker 1: anything else that just went down in the house that
Speaker 1: we didn't see, that you know, was significant or that
Speaker 1: stood out to you that ultimately didn't ever make air.
Speaker 3: That was definitely more confrontations with me and ordered that
Speaker 3: didn't get it. I'm trying to think now, there was
Speaker 3: loads of nights out that didn't.
Speaker 1: Get any fun things happen out on those nights out.
Speaker 3: Sometimes Durrell's birthday was pretty fun. I don't think they
Speaker 3: showed that. I'm not sure. I can't remember that.
Speaker 2: We didn't made out.
Speaker 3: I think me and Tory made out in the in
Speaker 3: the bus as like a day on the way back
Speaker 3: from a night out. That's the only thing that pops
Speaker 3: into my head.
Speaker 2: Oh that's cute. You and Jordan have another thing in comment.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to take all your acts. No, it
Speaker 3: was fun. It was fun. It was just we were
Speaker 3: just being fun and I had like the nights out
Speaker 3: were the best times where everyone could forget about, you know,
Speaker 3: like what was going on in the house, I think,
Speaker 3: and like people really came together and just like respected
Speaker 3: that together.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to know more about this final because
Speaker 2: it looked hard. It looked really dry. It looked like
Speaker 2: something I would never want to do. Really dry, it did.
Speaker 2: It was dry out there, it was, Yeah, it really
Speaker 2: was dry. Was it the final you expected?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Did you expect it to be as hard as it was?
Speaker 3: I expected it to be really hard, but I didn't
Speaker 3: expect you know, all of us, we were such high
Speaker 3: level of endurance, like competitors like even Casey, and for
Speaker 3: our bodies to be shutting down, like that's not a
Speaker 3: normal level of competition, Like there was obviously something like
Speaker 3: that was pushing us for us bodies to shut down.
Speaker 3: So it was definitely harder than it even looked hard
Speaker 3: for you guys. But I said, like, I don't even
Speaker 3: think it looks hard as hard as what it was.
Speaker 2: You know, Well, no, they cut out all of it
Speaker 2: because they can't take us on hour.
Speaker 3: The two days, the two days.
Speaker 2: And hours of that. But what was okay? What was
Speaker 2: worse the smoothie or the four laps, the smoothe the
Speaker 2: sixteen miles.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't think anyone understands how hard
Speaker 3: that's movie, Like horrible that movie is because.
Speaker 2: I can't do it.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I look like I felt so bad about no. No, no.
Speaker 2: I described it.
Speaker 3: Thinking like it's just a smoothie, like fucking drink it, Like, no,
Speaker 3: this is not a normal smovie. Bearing in mind I've
Speaker 3: already drunk it at the qualifier, but this one is
Speaker 3: like twenty times worse because they put like a really
Speaker 3: thick kind of chunky thing in it, which made it
Speaker 3: really really like the texture was already bad, the smell
Speaker 3: is already really bad, but now it's like ten times
Speaker 3: a thicker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was in it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Did you find out any ingredients that went into that?
Speaker 3: No? I didn't want to know. It was this.
Speaker 2: What did it smell like? Tastes like describe it to
Speaker 2: us cares.
Speaker 3: It smelled like really really really really really gone off,
Speaker 3: like I don't know, something that has been gone off
Speaker 3: for like one hundred years. Like that's how bad it smells.
Speaker 2: And it smells like moldy ratten.
Speaker 3: It was like a moldy yeah, like a but not
Speaker 3: any mold like not like moldy cheese, like really bad,
Speaker 3: like really yeah kind of hour. Anyway, when you drink it,
Speaker 3: it doesn't go in your throat. It literally doesn't go down.
Speaker 3: Your body immediately.
Speaker 2: What's it called, rejects it?
Speaker 3: Rejects it. Yeah, your body immediately rejects it. Even if
Speaker 3: you wanted to drink it. It's impossible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So did anyone not throw up?
Speaker 3: No? No, when everyone throws up, you can't drink it
Speaker 3: without throwing up, like literally not no, no, there's not
Speaker 3: one person that can drink that without throwing up. So
Speaker 3: when I'm going to do it on the final, now
Speaker 3: I can smell it and my body automatically remembers it
Speaker 3: from the qualifier. Yah yah yeah yeah yeah, and it
Speaker 3: remembers how bad it wasn't in the qualifier. I was
Speaker 3: running around the stadium and I was throwing up as
Speaker 3: I was running around, and obviously my body just didn't
Speaker 3: want to go through that again. Like as much as
Speaker 3: I wanted to drink it, it will say no. So
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I can't. I couldn't even put it
Speaker 3: to my my mouth. Fab it was like it was like, hey, okay.
Speaker 3: Then I was like, hey, get into the mugets. You
Speaker 3: have to drink. You have to drink it, and I
Speaker 3: just couldn't do it that so I was like, I mean,
Speaker 3: it was kind of fake crying like it was that
Speaker 3: actually crying. I got to do it, and then obviously
Speaker 3: I've done it in the end, but I was thinking,
Speaker 3: oh my god, like it looks like I'm just like
Speaker 3: I don't want to drink it, but it was bad.
Speaker 3: And then when Danny couldn't drink it, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, they showed that because grown ask man
Speaker 3: like Danny couldn't drink it either, because our bodies recognized it,
Speaker 3: like the legends didn't have to drink that. So this
Speaker 3: is the first time they're doing it. Second time around point.
Speaker 2: Her after Tory. Tory was puking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, everyone was peaking because but.
Speaker 1: I hear you that your body wasn't fight you. You
Speaker 1: were fighting not just the smoothie. You were literally fighting
Speaker 1: your body because your body had common sense even though
Speaker 1: you didn't in that moment, which is your body like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this again, because.
Speaker 3: It very very clever, like it was mad. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it happened to Danny the same thing. It recognized it
Speaker 3: and it wouldn't let him take it down. That's what
Speaker 3: happened to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, so now let's move to the Great Gatsby Feast,
Speaker 1: because that was a trip that was crazy as hell.
Speaker 2: What were you all's thoughts?
Speaker 1: You walk into this room, you see all this food,
Speaker 1: then you put on these old ass costumes, like you know,
Speaker 1: it's everyone really skeptical or you just like, eff it,
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm happy to eat and chill. Like
Speaker 1: before TJ brings out the shot collars and tells you
Speaker 1: kind of you know, the twist.
Speaker 3: What was there thinking when I saw the food?
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you saw the food and then the costumes,
Speaker 1: were you like, this is weird, you know what?
Speaker 3: I was just like so hungry because we hadn't eaten
Speaker 3: that day, like literally like when we woke up and
Speaker 3: we'd done all of that stuff, we hadn't eaten anything.
Speaker 3: So I was starving and I was just ready to eat,
Speaker 3: I think, and I I was eating and eating and eating.
Speaker 3: I love food so much. And then everyone was like
Speaker 3: why you eat so much? And then there was like
Speaker 3: they was like it's a twist, like there's definitely a
Speaker 3: catch to it. And then I was just like I
Speaker 3: don't think, I'm so agree and food was so good.
Speaker 3: I think everyone was just really weird vibes. The atmosphere
Speaker 3: then was very weird, but obviously we'd lost Sarah and THEO.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: No, I was just sitting here like, what the fuck
Speaker 3: is going on right now? Like it was just very weird.
Speaker 3: And the people who were like probably smarter than me,
Speaker 3: were just thinking that something that was a twister. There's
Speaker 3: a catch, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: This is where you just eat a pizza too of
Speaker 2: bread exactly.
Speaker 3: The people that were eating and I was like drinking
Speaker 3: the champagne.
Speaker 2: Drink the champagne. That ridiculous out it.
Speaker 3: We didn't even know what we looked like.
Speaker 2: Honestly, you look like dirty. It looked like dirty people
Speaker 2: that ran a final that put on these ancients, that hijackson.
Speaker 2: You did look cute, but you looked I mean everybody,
Speaker 2: there's no make everybody's like dirty. There's no before you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you get tons off before putting those clothes
Speaker 1: on or did they Did you.
Speaker 2: Just have to put on the gats because you.
Speaker 3: Stick? It was disgusting.
Speaker 2: There was no shower in the train. Was there showing toilet?
Speaker 3: Literally it was bad.
Speaker 2: I don't miss that. I don't miss that at all.
Speaker 2: I want to know if during this final at all
Speaker 2: there was a point where you were like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I killed that, and I don't know if Jordan would
Speaker 2: have been able to do that without me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, killed that.
Speaker 2: You were like, wait, I know what I'm doing. You're like,
Speaker 2: I know it's wrong.
Speaker 1: You literally said to him, I think at one point,
Speaker 1: like no, I just know it's wrong. I'm not letting
Speaker 1: you talk because I know it's wrong.
Speaker 2: She was like, I know he's wrong.
Speaker 3: He was getting really frustrated because it was hard. That
Speaker 3: side of puzzle was really really hard. Yeah, he needly
Speaker 3: broke it because he was so frustrated. So I was like,
Speaker 3: just breathe, it's okay.
Speaker 2: But I was surprised.
Speaker 3: I literally I used to like play on the slide
Speaker 3: puzzles like when I was younger. I don't know if
Speaker 3: I was like prepared for the challenge, but it definitely
Speaker 3: definitely helped, you know. But yeah, I think I think
Speaker 3: I've done that quite well. No, no, no, no, there
Speaker 3: was a you know what. I actually, when I do something,
Speaker 3: I'm very proud of myself. In our partnership, Jordan' still
Speaker 3: good at everything, so when I do do something, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: like good for.
Speaker 2: You, you know.
Speaker 3: And when we got to that first checkpoint of the
Speaker 3: of the loops of hell, and we had to do that.
Speaker 3: What's the code? I was like, I don't even think
Speaker 3: he knew that what I was doing, but.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you did know that. Yeah, it's two zero
Speaker 2: four whatever it was. I was like, you're doing maths.
Speaker 3: Right, We're math That's the thing is Like with my mask,
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I definitely like need to practice
Speaker 3: on them. But I think when it comes to maths
Speaker 3: and puzzles, like it's not actually massive puzzles, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's why when I was on that the challenge
Speaker 3: before the final, when we were doing the sabotage one,
Speaker 3: you know, and we gave it to THEO and Sarah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and I was going, I don't know if you saw it,
Speaker 3: And I was like, what's that bottom number? Like I
Speaker 3: can't see it, what's that bottom And everyone was like
Speaker 3: everyone's ignoring me because you don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 3: And then I was just like and finally like looked
Speaker 3: and I saw it, and then I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: hold on it, like is it this? This? This? And
Speaker 3: they've been doing it for ages like they were trying
Speaker 3: to do it, and I thought they can't do it.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely gonna do it like I'm just gonna chill
Speaker 3: down here. Yeah, and then I've looked at it. And
Speaker 3: then when I actually got the puzzle and I was
Speaker 3: like wait, wait, like what's seven times five? Like they
Speaker 3: were like thirty five, I was like wait, I think
Speaker 3: I know it. I think I know it. And then
Speaker 3: that's how they got the puzzle, and Jordan was like,
Speaker 3: well done, Caws, like you smashed that. Like I felt
Speaker 3: really good. You know, after I lost that Mass challenge
Speaker 3: and I was like, ship, I probably found that ship.
Speaker 3: So when I got that, I felt well good. I
Speaker 3: didn't have to win it. I just felt sick. You know.
Speaker 2: I love that. It's just the accent for me too.
Speaker 2: You could talk about anything. I wouldn't even care if
Speaker 2: you were wrong. I couldn't even get mad. I'd be like, well,
Speaker 2: it's just maths. You know. Anissa does a great one.
Speaker 2: I love a niece.
Speaker 3: Your accent is so like on a twist, So it's
Speaker 3: so like I love that a cup of tea. Yes,
Speaker 3: like bridges that proper, proper mate, proper, it is proper.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that rop.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I love how you sound.
Speaker 3: I've been like talking like so American, like since I've
Speaker 3: been living with the American people in the house, Like,
Speaker 3: you know, you just said that, not you do, that's
Speaker 3: just you would talk like like not me, like that
Speaker 3: picked her up from her And then like when you
Speaker 3: say y'all and I think the other day I hurt
Speaker 3: my shoulder and I was like, oh, my should is
Speaker 3: so jacked up. And then sometimes what the fuck did
Speaker 3: you just say that? You don't we don't say that.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: Were there, Yeah, please don't adapt our accent or our words.
Speaker 2: Your accents way better. It's way better.
Speaker 1: Were there any other cultural differences in the house, you know,
Speaker 1: in the beginning, having so many different cultures brought together,
Speaker 1: were there any other kind of funny or unique standout
Speaker 1: things of how different cultures did things differently that you
Speaker 1: noticed completely?
Speaker 3: So, you know, English people always drink tea, Like that's
Speaker 3: not even a joke, Like we love tea. So after
Speaker 3: like when we come home from a challenge slog, we
Speaker 3: had to drink our tea and everyone be like what
Speaker 3: are you drinking? And I'd show people like how we
Speaker 3: make tea and show them properly. I've never drunk this before,
Speaker 3: but blah, And then the Argentina and people had Matte
Speaker 3: and they had their mate and they were like drinking
Speaker 3: mate and then I'd never drug that before. And it
Speaker 3: was just really nice, Like there were so many culture
Speaker 3: differences but nothing bad, Like it was just so I
Speaker 3: loved it. I loved being like, I've never met Argentina
Speaker 3: and people before that, so I didn't know any about
Speaker 3: like Matte, and I would learn so much and you know,
Speaker 3: we had so much free time to talk about things,
Speaker 3: and we just learned so much about other people's cultures.
Speaker 3: And I love traveling and I love doing new things.
Speaker 3: So it was it was really nice to be in
Speaker 3: a house site with mixed cultures and people and countries
Speaker 3: and accents and words. Oh there was one. There was
Speaker 3: They didn't show, but it was funny that we had
Speaker 3: like a full on discussion about different things, like you
Speaker 3: guys called your garbage or trash and we're like, no,
Speaker 3: it's rubbish. We had like we had a massive argument
Speaker 3: about like what's the garden. I was like, that's my
Speaker 3: garden and then they'd be like, no, that's a yard,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what the fuck is a yard? Like
Speaker 3: that's a garden?
Speaker 2: Like God is like flowers that you plant?
Speaker 3: No, like garden is like if I have a garden
Speaker 3: in my house, like, that's a garden, you know. And
Speaker 3: that literally was a back and forth, back and forth ages.
Speaker 2: So that was fun.
Speaker 3: We realized, like we have so many different words for
Speaker 3: so many different things.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, like Grant called us children ankle biters,
Speaker 2: I call we call small dogs ankle biters.
Speaker 3: I've never heard that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a little ankle biters. I'm like, excuse
Speaker 2: me because Grant has an accent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I loved the accident. It's hilarious.
Speaker 2: I love it too. It was just funny. It definitely
Speaker 2: was funny.
Speaker 1: Now that you're back to back champion, what have you
Speaker 1: been up to since winning CAS? I mean, we know
Speaker 1: you're in Thailand right now, correct, So what have yeah doing?
Speaker 3: So I came back to see the kids and I've
Speaker 3: just been chilling I've really just been kind of just
Speaker 3: chilling out and being great for everything and just taking
Speaker 3: a step back. I think I was really go go go, go,
Speaker 3: go go go, and now this has happened. Yeah, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 3: I can enjoy a few holidays. Now treat myself.
Speaker 2: What are you treating yourself to?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 1: After theom what's like the first big thing that you're
Speaker 1: getting for yourself or that you got yourself.
Speaker 3: I am invested in like a small house in the
Speaker 3: Dominican Republic, like in the Caribbean. I'm going to build that.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's going to be like my little getaway house.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's beautiful, but it's not built yet. So and
Speaker 3: there's that.
Speaker 2: And then it is you have my phone number, speak Spanish.
Speaker 1: I need to speak it in a British accent. Please
Speaker 1: that that's I don't I don't think I could do that.
Speaker 1: I could, but it's truly.
Speaker 2: I have faith in you. Next around have to check
Speaker 2: that out.
Speaker 1: What's next for you? Catz, Like we you do another season?
Speaker 1: Have you now been bitten by the bug? Or are
Speaker 1: you going to go out on top?
Speaker 2: What's what's No?
Speaker 3: I would definitely do another season for sure. It would
Speaker 3: be nice to do a season with like like people
Speaker 3: I'm really strongly aligned to, as in I get why
Speaker 3: when you guys go do like shows and stuff and
Speaker 3: then you come back and then you have these really
Speaker 3: strong alliance like obviously Tory Casey and all of that stuff,
Speaker 3: Like I get it now because you make such a
Speaker 3: bond with these people and then you know you are
Speaker 3: really really friends and you wouldn't fuck them over like
Speaker 3: in the game. So I think there's there's so many
Speaker 3: people I'd love to do the show with, Like obviously
Speaker 3: i'd love to do it with Sara again, Like I
Speaker 3: feel like she has so much potential. I'd love to
Speaker 3: even just watch her challenge. I'd love to just not
Speaker 3: even do it and then just watch her because I
Speaker 3: love that she can like pill it even Georgia, Like
Speaker 3: me and Georgia are super close, So it would be
Speaker 3: nice to do a challenge like with my friends. But
Speaker 3: obviously if that doesn't happen, that doesn't happen. But I
Speaker 3: definitely wouldn't wouldn't turn it down. I would love to
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 2: Not I don't know, you seem likable. I'm sure you've
Speaker 2: made friends already, so it's all you have to do
Speaker 2: is like get in when different people aren't there, because
Speaker 2: it's like if not all your friends are there, you
Speaker 2: get to be with like your new friends yea, to
Speaker 2: create your own alliances. If I go in tories not there,
Speaker 2: I just got other people that I'm gonna have to try.
Speaker 2: It just makes things difficult the more you do because
Speaker 2: the more friends you make, the harder it is to
Speaker 2: separate and then vote whatever. But that's why it's easy.
Speaker 2: Just like grab grab a couple of friends that you
Speaker 2: really like and then just say it to everybody else.
Speaker 2: It does make it easier. But I mean, I think
Speaker 2: that you'll do You're likable, you'll do well. Thanks, Maybe
Speaker 2: I'll be on there with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2: You've heard You've heard it here first. I think I
Speaker 2: love that.
Speaker 3: I love it. I'm so oh bye.
Speaker 2: Literally, I'm just friendly with people. I just have a
Speaker 2: great social like I'm not really a politician per se.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's exactly that's what a politician would say,
Speaker 1: is I'm I'm not actually I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not into it. I don't like them. I just
Speaker 2: play very like Jordan's like, whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen.
Speaker 2: So I have to go down in the sand.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: But there are ways of avoiding. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: you pick and choose your battles, Like if I can
Speaker 2: avoid this, I will, But I don't have to do
Speaker 2: all of this to get there, Like there are ways
Speaker 2: to kind of eniggle your way in and.
Speaker 3: Out of stuff, but Jordan wanted to volunteer himself into
Speaker 3: the elimination.
Speaker 2: Yeah whatever, that's crazy, crazy, and that's so Jordan's And
Speaker 2: I'm glad you guys.
Speaker 3: Didn't me too, because that that elimination was the mass one.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine.
Speaker 3: Thought I would have died. I really remember being up
Speaker 3: there thinking, oh my god, I'm so glad we did
Speaker 3: that deal with I mean, I could not do the
Speaker 3: same elimination.
Speaker 1: Well and never Now, Yeah, I think you under I
Speaker 1: think you. You came onto this season, Kaz with such
Speaker 1: i don't know, like a positive energy, such grace. And
Speaker 1: also it's interesting because to me from the jump, you
Speaker 1: had both the swagger of a bad ass, but the
Speaker 1: humility of like someone everybody could root for, like someone
Speaker 1: that was super relatable. And so watching you go through
Speaker 1: this journey and prove to the world but also hopefully
Speaker 1: to yourself that you are, indeed, ma'am a badass grace
Speaker 1: and now you can tell THEO you've won over the
Speaker 1: course of multiple weeks basically put together since he wanted
Speaker 1: to Yeah, yeah, a double.
Speaker 2: It took me two months to get two wins. What
Speaker 2: about you?
Speaker 3: Back to back? Let's forget that back to back champ
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh yeah, won the UK one. I
Speaker 3: don't know, it's just like a massive, massive blurb, But
Speaker 3: I think everything just happened for a reason. It all
Speaker 3: just came together, and I had to do a lot
Speaker 3: of you know, learning myself and overcome a lot of
Speaker 3: mental battles in there, and you know, I believe in myself,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't project out of me, do you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? I was always the one like nervous
Speaker 3: before a challenge. I was always the one like panicking
Speaker 3: and you know, crying or whatever. And I think, I
Speaker 3: think to other I don't know, right, this is just
Speaker 3: my opinion, but I think the other competitors maybe underestimated
Speaker 3: me because of how I was in the Games. Of course,
Speaker 3: like Jordan was so strong and Jordan was so good
Speaker 3: and everything like that, but the way I like portrayed myself,
Speaker 3: I wasn't always like overly confident and always like do
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? So they I think they did.
Speaker 3: And then when when we did the Maths challenge, the
Speaker 3: one where literally the legends didn't have to do anything,
Speaker 3: and then I lost that one. I think for other
Speaker 3: people they maybe thought, like maybe Kas is going to slow.
Speaker 3: That's what I think, because I just don't really understand
Speaker 3: why they let us get to the final, because.
Speaker 1: We'll tell you it was all because of Toy.
Speaker 3: Wow, that is so nice to have like your ex
Speaker 3: kind of like back that hard Like that's really nice.
Speaker 3: Hm hm yes, thanks, yes, sorry, Danny. So funny. Me
Speaker 3: and Danny hardly swelled through the whole show, Like we
Speaker 3: literally didn't even have one conversation. We're just like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we're just so different, like and obviously I knew that
Speaker 3: he was like trying to get us out, so it's
Speaker 3: just like there's not really yeah, but then at the
Speaker 3: end of it, like the final, he was like, you
Speaker 3: know what KA is good for you? Like well done,
Speaker 3: like you smashed it, and they literally came second, So
Speaker 3: I think Danny probably thought, yeah, we definitely should have
Speaker 3: got them out before.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: He definitely verbalized that and thought that the whole time,
Speaker 1: and on Twitter is still yes.
Speaker 3: On Twitter, babe, I think it's such negative vibes. I'd
Speaker 3: love to I can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes it can be funny, but I I I
Speaker 1: read some of it and it's it's funny. He definitely
Speaker 1: and he wasn't wrong. I mean, he wasn't wrong in
Speaker 1: wanting to get you guys out because proved, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: guys proved exactly what he was saying, So he wasn't wrong.
Speaker 1: But anyone who doubted you this season was definitely wrong
Speaker 1: because you came out on top. You did it in
Speaker 1: such a beautiful way. It was so lovely watching your
Speaker 1: journey and so excited that you are cemented as a
Speaker 1: member of the Challenged family. You know, before we see
Speaker 1: you on another season in the future. For those who
Speaker 1: want to keep up with you, for those who want
Speaker 1: just like a hint of your accent or band band, Yes,
Speaker 1: where can they follow you?
Speaker 2: On social media?
Speaker 3: So on Instagram? I am kas Crossley and yeah I
Speaker 3: have my head band company, kas Band. And then I'm
Speaker 3: also really passionate about muy Thai and I run my
Speaker 3: own community just for women back in the UK and
Speaker 3: we've started doing retreats. Yes, so we've started doing retreats
Speaker 3: and my first retreat is in Thailand, which is why
Speaker 3: I'm here. I just thought I visit the kids first,
Speaker 3: and basically, yeah, to basically empower women and to make
Speaker 3: them feel fit and show them how amazing they are.
Speaker 3: But of course I create also a space for women
Speaker 3: to train such like a masculine aggressive sport that apparently,
Speaker 3: you know, women aren't supposed to do. So I'm really
Speaker 3: passionate about that. I said that too, Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 3: I'm so passionate about it. And I've got my muy
Speaker 3: Thai shorts out now with Venom, which I'm really proud of.
Speaker 2: That's amazing, thank you. I've never worn them. I only
Speaker 2: wore like little biker shorts and shit, well the.
Speaker 3: Same because muy Thai shorts are really unflattering for women
Speaker 3: the way they're made. Those they just made four men, right,
Speaker 3: So I thought, let me just make my own, and
Speaker 3: I've collabed with Venom, which is like a really big
Speaker 3: brand in the fight scene, and brought out my own
Speaker 3: shorts I want to take and we tied to women
Speaker 3: worldwide and show people like how amazing it is and
Speaker 3: how amazing you can feel. Thank you. Well ah, it
Speaker 3: definitely helped with my endurance, I reckon, because like you
Speaker 3: need the insurance and training in Thailand is so hot, babe, like,
Speaker 3: and when we were running back finals, it was really
Speaker 3: really hot, and I just thought, wow, like my body
Speaker 3: is accustomed to this because of all the running that
Speaker 3: I've done, like with the kids and everything, like they
Speaker 3: run every single day and the heat and it's like
Speaker 3: not a problem for them. So that's what I had
Speaker 3: in my head when I was running the final. I
Speaker 3: was just thinking about the kids the whole time.
Speaker 2: They trained like crazy out there. I've never seen it
Speaker 2: under like a tin roof that just like and outside
Speaker 2: there's conditioning.
Speaker 3: No, no, the conditioning, that's just life.
Speaker 2: We did a challenge there and we would drive past
Speaker 2: them all the time, and I'm like, can I go
Speaker 2: train like absolutely nine year olds? A nine year old?
Speaker 2: That's why I get my ass kicked exactly.
Speaker 3: That's why I was pushing myself. I was thinking like
Speaker 3: I was. I ran twenty seven kilometers with all the
Speaker 3: kids because we were raising money for their visitor housing,
Speaker 3: and they were not complaining once like twenty sevens a long,
Speaker 3: long long time. They was getting blisters on their feet
Speaker 3: on the last like ten kilometers and they took their
Speaker 3: shoes off and run barefoot with me outside in the
Speaker 3: fucking Thailand countryside like and there was like snakes on
Speaker 3: the floor and everything, and they was not complaining. So
Speaker 3: I was just like, I can do this final. If
Speaker 3: they can. They're like, they had like three eleven year
Speaker 3: olds running with me and they ran the whole thing
Speaker 3: with me, So I was just thinking about them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they should be very proud. I know they're
Speaker 2: very proud of you.
Speaker 1: And the UK is very bad way too for holding
Speaker 1: it down. So grateful to you for coming on the podcast. Has,
Speaker 1: Thank you. We can't wait to see everything that you're
Speaker 1: doing next. Make sure you go follow Has on socials
Speaker 1: and cop a headband.
Speaker 3: And thanks for having me.
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