Speaker 1: This is Intimate Knowledge with Megan King. It's a show
Speaker 1: about sex. Hello everybody, and welcome back to Intimate Knowledge.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Meghan King. You can find me on
Speaker 1: Instagram at Megan King. Find me online on the world
Speaker 1: wide Web at Guyahnexperience dot com. I'm so excited because
Speaker 1: I'm planning some great retreats coming up through Matt July
Speaker 1: seventeen through twenty second Women's Growth Retreat, and I have
Speaker 1: some other exciting things in the works. I had a
Speaker 1: really good call this morning with the Guya team and
Speaker 1: excited to make a big announcement coming soon. So check
Speaker 1: out that website and my instagram for more info. All right,
Speaker 1: so let's get into it. So today I'm going to
Speaker 1: give you guys quick a little update on what's going
Speaker 1: on with me, and then we're going to bring in
Speaker 1: doctor Tara. She is a sex expert on you Tube
Speaker 1: and TikTok, so I'm excited to talk to her. She
Speaker 1: seems like just a ball of energy and so much fun.
Speaker 1: So all right, what's going on with me? So this
Speaker 1: weekend I am flying to Charleston for a wedding for
Speaker 1: my girlfriend who's she's getting married she's a good girlfriend
Speaker 1: from high school. It's interesting where I'm thirty eight years
Speaker 1: old and this is her first wedding and that's unusual.
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like wedding season was over for
Speaker 1: me more or less and for me and my friends,
Speaker 1: and it's It's funny because I feel like I'm going
Speaker 1: to my twentieth reunion is like in two weeks from
Speaker 1: high school, and so I kind of feel like this
Speaker 1: is like a little mini high school reunion and kind
Speaker 1: of want like look really good. But I went to
Speaker 1: an all girl high school. But the I mean, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be guys there that I knew from high school
Speaker 1: that went to the all boy high school. So and
Speaker 1: then also rival all girl high schools women will be there.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm regressing back to the high school
Speaker 1: version of me and my best friend and who lives
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. She and I are like texting about
Speaker 1: what to wear and who, what the vibe is and everything.
Speaker 1: I go to weddings and cocktail type events all the time,
Speaker 1: all the time, like at least once a week, I
Speaker 1: would say, and I don't ever get nervous. I just
Speaker 1: throw something on in my closet, like I'm not nervous.
Speaker 1: I should say a little anxious though, because I'm actually
Speaker 1: thinking about this, putting a lot of thought into it.
Speaker 1: I just I'm balling on a budget. I went to
Speaker 1: TJ Max with my daughter she's sick at home, and
Speaker 1: just bought a bunch of stuff. So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: So anyways, this weekend going with Will, the guy that
Speaker 1: I've been dating on and off for like three years,
Speaker 1: and this time round three. We've been dating for a
Speaker 1: few months, and we're leaving things kind of casual. We're
Speaker 1: not naming what we have. We're just saying we're best friends.
Speaker 1: You've seen them on my Instagram and you know throughout
Speaker 1: the three years, but recently as well. And we definitely
Speaker 1: don't call each other boyfriend and girlfriend. But and I
Speaker 1: miss him so much. We haven't seen each other. It'll
Speaker 1: be a month by the time we see each other next.
Speaker 1: That's a long time to go without seeing someone that
Speaker 1: you're dating. And like, I know that. I don't know
Speaker 1: it's weird because I say we're dating, and we are,
Speaker 1: but it's a little bit more than dating too, because
Speaker 1: we're like best friends. Since we've known each other other
Speaker 1: for three years and we know each other very well,
Speaker 1: and I just really miss touching him and smelling him
Speaker 1: and just being in the same room together. It's hard.
Speaker 1: And so this is kind of making me question, well,
Speaker 1: what is it that I want? Because I like what
Speaker 1: we have. I like not defining it, I think, and
Speaker 1: I like being able to have my time with my
Speaker 1: kids when I'm a mom in Saint Louis, and then
Speaker 1: when I don't have my kids, I like to be
Speaker 1: able to get away and just enjoy myself with my
Speaker 1: man and be comfortable. But this month off has really
Speaker 1: kind of done a number on my brain and my emotions,
Speaker 1: and I'm like wondering, does he miss me like I
Speaker 1: miss him? I don't know. I mean, we do talk
Speaker 1: about it a little bit, but I feel like we're
Speaker 1: at a point where instead of, you know, getting closer
Speaker 1: and closer together, it's staying stagnant, which was the goal
Speaker 1: to stay the same. But are we stuck in the
Speaker 1: friend zone? It's not only friends, it's like best friends
Speaker 1: with benefits, but that just minimizes the complexity of the
Speaker 1: relationship because it's very deep and developed. And then I
Speaker 1: ask myself again, is history repeating itself right now? Because
Speaker 1: here we are, there're time around, and I don't like
Speaker 1: what changes, what gives you know, it's hard to see
Speaker 1: each other when we don't live in the same state,
Speaker 1: So it's hard to see each other unless both of
Speaker 1: us are making conscious efforts. And it's more difficult for
Speaker 1: me because I have the children. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of in a holding pattern right now, but
Speaker 1: I do know that I'm very, very excited to see
Speaker 1: him this weekend. And it's it's a big deal. It's
Speaker 1: a wedding. I think bringing a date to a wedding,
Speaker 1: any wedding is a big deal. But this is one
Speaker 1: of my best friends from high school, and it's with
Speaker 1: all of my high school friends, close friends, people that
Speaker 1: were very important in the development of who I am today.
Speaker 1: And on that note, let's bring in doctor Tara. Doctor Tara,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us today. On
Speaker 1: intimate knowledge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so excited to be here, Megan.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you you wear many, many hats, but mainly
Speaker 1: sex hats.
Speaker 2: Sex hats, sex hats.
Speaker 1: Yes, tell us who you are?
Speaker 2: Ooh, who am I?
Speaker 1: Who is she? Who is she? Who are you?
Speaker 2: I would say I wear three hats The first hat
Speaker 2: is I'm a professor and I teach sexual communication and
Speaker 2: relational communication at cal State University Fullton. I received my
Speaker 2: tenure two years ago, so as a thank you, as
Speaker 2: I was, you know, receiving the news, I'm like, hmm,
Speaker 2: what else do I want to do apart from teaching
Speaker 2: in college? So that comes my second hat, which is
Speaker 2: sex and relationship coach. I started my own practice here
Speaker 2: in downtown LA where I coach people through whatever sexual
Speaker 2: goals that they have. And so I started that a
Speaker 2: few years ago. And then my third hat would be
Speaker 2: a TikTok influenzer in sex education. I have two million
Speaker 2: followers on TikTok and I basically create sex positive content
Speaker 2: with comedy.
Speaker 1: I know, I love I love your TikTok. It's so
Speaker 1: much fun, it's so much fun to watch. And you
Speaker 1: you are master over two million followers and under a year.
Speaker 1: How did you do that?
Speaker 2: I think it's because I have like an unapologetic, sassy
Speaker 2: tone and I'm saying the things You're funny, let's say
Speaker 2: thank you. I'm saying the things that I think people
Speaker 2: want to say, but they don't know how to say it,
Speaker 2: or they feel like they can't say it.
Speaker 1: What kind of feedback did you get from your TikTok?
Speaker 1: From your students and from your your staff at university?
Speaker 2: They think it's hilarious. Well, my students think it's it's hilarious,
Speaker 2: and they often are like, we want to be on
Speaker 2: your TikTok. So actually I have quite a few videos
Speaker 2: of them on my TikTok. So I'll go things like,
Speaker 2: you know, oral sex, how long should it last? And
Speaker 2: then we'll go around the class and they'll go five minutes,
Speaker 2: ten minutes, it's so fun, they love it.
Speaker 1: Well, how long should oral sex last? What's the end?
Speaker 2: Swer? Well, statistically, like, if you ask women, women tend
Speaker 2: to say like less than ten minutes. But I think
Speaker 2: men have like a pretty biased view of like watching porn,
Speaker 2: So sometimes men will go like, I can't do twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: I'm like, women, don't ask you to go down on
Speaker 2: us for twenty minutes straight.
Speaker 1: Wait, I want to ask somebody to go down on
Speaker 1: me for two.
Speaker 2: Hours straight, especially with a pillow under your butt? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, exactly? Yeah? No, wait, seriously, like, hold on,
Speaker 1: are women only asking for women are asking to tennutes
Speaker 1: receive oral sex? For ten minutes, ten minutes, and men
Speaker 1: think that they should give oral sex.
Speaker 2: For how long twenty minutes?
Speaker 1: They want to do longer?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, they watch porn and they think, like the
Speaker 2: performance part right is twenty minutes. And that's the thing
Speaker 2: about porn is that when you watch porn, you tend
Speaker 2: to think that sex should look a certain way or
Speaker 2: should last a certain amount of time. When you ask people,
Speaker 2: at heterosexual people, how long should penis and vagina penetration last,
Speaker 2: like from the enter, from the time the penis enters
Speaker 2: and just like non stop in a row. Okay, people
Speaker 2: think they should last like forty five minutes. What really, yeah,
Speaker 2: when in fact it's like ten that's like.
Speaker 1: A long time. It's a last sex, a lot of exercise.
Speaker 2: A lot of exercise, and it's impossible, like a woman's vagina,
Speaker 2: it would by that time it would be like friction
Speaker 2: in Yeah, it was raw. But that's because of you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of mainstream porn. Nowadays we have ethical porn,
Speaker 2: which I love, but because of like some toxic mainstream porn,
Speaker 2: a lot of people have different ideas of what sex
Speaker 2: should look like, how long it should last. And it's
Speaker 2: just not the truth. It's not the pleasurable truth.
Speaker 1: Right right, right. Yeah. We talk a lot about that,
Speaker 1: like how foreplay is not necessarily foreplay. It's great play.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, that's what that's what. It's not like fingering
Speaker 1: can lead up to sex. It's like fingering can be
Speaker 1: it if you do it right.
Speaker 2: Fingering is the main character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. One. That's my favorite really, I you know,
Speaker 1: I know, like in the right spot, like if they
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. It's not just like fingers just
Speaker 1: like going going around like all rogue.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my partner like now knows my body really
Speaker 2: well and like and he fingers me. And when I squirt,
Speaker 2: it's like it's one of the best that you can squirt.
Speaker 1: Can everybody squirt? Yes?
Speaker 2: How everybody has like the the mechanism to do it.
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of it is, yeah, a
Speaker 2: lot of it is not letting go. Two things that
Speaker 2: I love telling people that they can try is Number
Speaker 2: one is sexual meditation, because a lot of times there's
Speaker 2: a lot of energy stuck in the body and we're
Speaker 2: not even like we're not we don't have the capacity
Speaker 2: to let go. And squirting is all about letting go.
Speaker 2: Like the female ejaculation is all about letting go, So
Speaker 2: sexual meditation will help you in terms of like mentally
Speaker 2: letting go. That's one of the best things you can do.
Speaker 2: There's so much research and experiments conducted using like sexual
Speaker 2: mindfulness as a variable that they show women who have
Speaker 2: had like cervical cancer, who said, like, I feel nothing
Speaker 2: in my badge literally get back their feelings and like
Speaker 2: like started liking sexual meditation from sexual meditation, what is that?
Speaker 2: Sexual meditation is like a regular meditation practice, but it
Speaker 2: focuses on sexual thoughts, for sexual feelings and the sensations
Speaker 2: in your body.
Speaker 1: So how can I do that? Like tonight after I
Speaker 1: put my kids down, how do I sexually meditate?
Speaker 2: Yes, So if you want, I have a guided meditation
Speaker 2: that's completely free. That's on YouTube. There's a five minute
Speaker 2: one and a ten minute one. So whatever feels comfortable
Speaker 2: for you, you can start with that. And it's guided
Speaker 2: sexual meditation. So all you gotta do is find five
Speaker 2: minutes quiet time for yourself, listen to the guide and
Speaker 2: follow the guide.
Speaker 1: And so how often does this have to happen? How
Speaker 1: many times?
Speaker 2: Yeah, in those research they do it consistently, so they
Speaker 2: do it daily for like a certain period of time,
Speaker 2: so like two weeks or three weeks.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that sounds manageable.
Speaker 2: Manageable five minutes, yeah, I ask someone that practices this.
Speaker 2: I've done this for now almost three years, every single
Speaker 2: day for five minutes. Really yeah, and I can.
Speaker 1: Do you find it helpful?
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? I feel like.
Speaker 1: Still after three years, you still find it helpful.
Speaker 2: Yeah? I find it like maintenance is like taking vitamins.
Speaker 2: I take vitamins. I do sexual meditation.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, well I take vitamins, so maybe I'll
Speaker 1: had sexual meditation into that. There you go. I mean,
Speaker 1: I do want to meditate more, but it's hard to
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just hard to take five ten minutes when
Speaker 1: you're just meditating without you know, a sort of end goal,
Speaker 1: which is whack. I mean the end goal is inner piece,
Speaker 1: I guess, right. But then like intuitive like awareness, But
Speaker 1: if I have a goal like sexual, a sexual goal,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'd be much more motivated to meditate.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Is like inner piece and vagina piece?
Speaker 2: Can we can have both?
Speaker 1: Totally? Oh my gosh, that's fascinating. Okay, so with so,
Speaker 1: so then sexual meditation can lead a woman to squirt
Speaker 1: because she's able to let go. But what else there's
Speaker 1: gonna be? Is there a spot? Like? What is it?
Speaker 2: So there's another thing that's like somatic practice is moving
Speaker 2: your hips and like moving your body in order to
Speaker 2: release like that pelvic area, uh, believe it or not,
Speaker 2: a lot of people store their stressors of the day
Speaker 2: in their pelvic area. Some of us do in our shoulders, necks, stomach,
Speaker 2: some like the pelvic area, and we need to like
Speaker 2: stretch the pelvic area, massage the pilvic area, move around.
Speaker 2: So these like somatic things can be very helpful. But honestly,
Speaker 2: I think for me, because I've never scored it in
Speaker 2: my twenties, I have just recently learned to squirret a
Speaker 2: few years ago, and when I scored it the first time,
Speaker 2: I would say a few things contributed to me being
Speaker 2: able to like let go. Of course the two things
Speaker 2: that I just talked about, but also because my partner
Speaker 2: took the time. I feel like I've never dated someone
Speaker 2: who like took the time.
Speaker 1: Why did he take the time? You know?
Speaker 2: I think it's because at that point I was like
Speaker 2: already in my sexual awakening journey, so I gave him
Speaker 2: a lot of verbal feedback. So I was telling him like, oh,
Speaker 2: that feels really good. That feels really good, Like take
Speaker 2: your time, like stay there, just like that, stay there
Speaker 2: and communication communication literally. But it took a while for
Speaker 2: me to for me and him to like find that sink.
Speaker 2: And I think that sink that that sink comes after
Speaker 2: a while. I don't think like you can have sex
Speaker 2: like a one night stand and like squirt with someone.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you have to be okay, I see what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Now, can you if you decide that you
Speaker 1: don't want to squirt, can you turn it off?
Speaker 2: Oh that's a really good question. I think so, especially
Speaker 2: if you have a really good control of your pelvic area,
Speaker 2: you can hold it in, like you don't want to
Speaker 2: let go of the juice. You can hold it in.
Speaker 1: You can still like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to feeling, but like kind of
Speaker 2: hold it in, kind of like when you pee, but
Speaker 2: you stop peeing, like you just hold it in, and
Speaker 2: I think you don't then you don't evaculate, but you
Speaker 2: can still come, like you can still have an orgasm. Right,
Speaker 2: it's a brain activity, yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, an orgasm's a brain activity. Yeah, what Okay, this
Speaker 1: is so interesting because I am not kidding. I feel
Speaker 1: like I was watching your TikTok and you talked about
Speaker 1: sex dreams and like how if you sleep on your
Speaker 1: stomach with your hands above your head, then you're more
Speaker 1: likely to have sex dreams. I have sex dreams, and
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding, I'll come in my dreams.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, is that amazing?
Speaker 1: Like for real, Like it's a real it's a real orgasm,
Speaker 1: but it's in a dream.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of women can. I think it's a blessing. Really,
Speaker 2: I have a lot of women and ask me how
Speaker 2: do I induce it? I'm like, well, I mean, uh,
Speaker 2: I don't have real scientific finding for that, but like
Speaker 2: research did find a correlation between people who sleep like that,
Speaker 2: like stomach on their stomach and then hands or arms
Speaker 2: up to have more sex dreams.
Speaker 1: Well, what normally, like if I have a sex dream,
Speaker 1: it's usually like where one it ends an orgasm. It's
Speaker 1: usually when I'm laying in bed next to my partner
Speaker 1: and I kind of like doze off as we're like
Speaker 1: cuddling or touching or something, and so in my mind
Speaker 1: I'm like thinking about like what happens next? And I think,
Speaker 1: like it turn that turns into a dream or something,
Speaker 1: and then like that's where you know, the full orgasm
Speaker 1: comes from. Eventually. I love that. I know it's not wild,
Speaker 1: it's literally like in bed with my partner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think there's like a term like continuous
Speaker 2: pleasure where some like you can take it to your
Speaker 2: dream and like have an orgasm there. But some people
Speaker 2: use continuous pleasure as in like in the morning, they
Speaker 2: will start cuddling and maybe touching each other, but they
Speaker 2: will edge like they don't have sex, right, and then
Speaker 2: kind of throughout the day or when you like drive
Speaker 2: to work and you start feeling yourself and you know,
Speaker 2: continue the pleasure. Like this continuous pleasure idea is a
Speaker 2: really good idea, especially for long term relationships and for
Speaker 2: people who have kids who are like, we don't have
Speaker 2: time to have sex. You can try to tinous pleasure
Speaker 2: like all day long, just like touch each other to start,
Speaker 2: and then you can you can even finish off on
Speaker 2: your own, right, Like you can masturbate. You can or
Speaker 2: come home and like mutually masturbate together. There's so much
Speaker 2: like taboo for people who masturbate together. They're like, oh,
Speaker 2: your sex life is dead if you're masturbating, not really actually,
Speaker 2: resource people who have yeah, more sexual variety when they
Speaker 2: get older with their partners tend to be a lot
Speaker 2: more sexually satisfied than people who think sex is like
Speaker 2: one thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I think that's a big issue with
Speaker 1: a lot of long term relationships, is that we fall
Speaker 1: into a pattern of what works for us. Like you
Speaker 1: just said, you said your partner and you have been
Speaker 1: together for a while, you know each other's bodies, and
Speaker 1: when you know each other's bodies so well and you
Speaker 1: know it works for one another, why not just go
Speaker 1: to the thing that works well every single time. So
Speaker 1: it's it's harder to mix it up after a while.
Speaker 2: It is harder, and it is definitely a conscious effort. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have to be like, Okay, today we're gonna try
Speaker 2: and have sex in the car.
Speaker 1: Okay. So I want to ask you about the show.
Speaker 1: There's a show Love is Blind. You know about it? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what happens. So you have to date
Speaker 1: and get to know somebody from outside of a screen,
Speaker 1: right you can't even see them, and then you propose
Speaker 1: to the person, and then you get to smell them
Speaker 1: and touch them and see them and see like who
Speaker 1: you chose? How do you feel about that? Like to
Speaker 1: basically like you don't know if there's any sexual chemistry
Speaker 1: until the end. Is that possible to have a relationship
Speaker 1: with that, like a a successful one that doesn't just
Speaker 1: come from if you have sexual chemistry, you're lucky at
Speaker 1: that point. Is it just luck? Or is there something
Speaker 1: to it?
Speaker 2: That's a really great question. And I love the thesis
Speaker 2: of this show. I think what makes this show so
Speaker 2: interesting is that it's so different from our current dating
Speaker 2: patterns because like with dating apps and these other dating shows,
Speaker 2: like it's all about sexual attraction and physical attraction, right,
Speaker 2: it's like over to top, like you're on tender, Like
Speaker 2: that's all you see is physical attraction. So I think
Speaker 2: the thesis is, like, it's really good, it's goodwill thesis.
Speaker 2: I like that they don't try to have people develop
Speaker 2: like emotional connection prior. However, I am on. So there
Speaker 2: are two theories that talk about this, and they're not boring,
Speaker 2: they're really interesting. The first one is called sexual compatibility model.
Speaker 2: The second one is called sexual restraint model. Sexual compatibive
Speaker 2: compatibility model states that you're the kind of person that
Speaker 2: wants to know right away if they're sexual chemistry, if
Speaker 2: we're going to be compatible sexually. Therefore, you want all
Speaker 2: your senses to be available. You want to see them.
Speaker 2: You want to see them, you want to touch them,
Speaker 2: you want to smell them, you want to talk to them.
Speaker 2: But you want to gauge because that's really important to you.
Speaker 2: So sexual compatibility, it's going to be exactly. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: and me, Meghan, I have the same thing.
Speaker 1: Like that's everyone know that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently not. So there's a lot of people who
Speaker 2: have sexual rest strain model values where when they go
Speaker 2: on a date, the last thing they think about is
Speaker 2: sexual compatibility. They want to restrain. Yep, they want to restrain.
Speaker 2: They want to like talk about other things and develop
Speaker 2: like emotional connection. See if there's like personality conflict, See
Speaker 2: if there's like room for family planning or similar goals
Speaker 2: in the future other than sexual compatibility first. So this
Speaker 2: is called sexual restraint model, and a lot of people
Speaker 2: have this.
Speaker 1: Like what kind of people Is it mainly men or
Speaker 1: mainly women or is it mainly a certain generation who?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that you're so passionate about this. You're like,
Speaker 2: who the f.
Speaker 1: Our producer on the show is the second one? She
Speaker 1: just dropped me a note. That's that's her style.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. There are actually a lot of women who
Speaker 2: have sexual restraint model and how they view dating, and
Speaker 2: with people who have sex sexual restraint model, a lot
Speaker 2: of satisfaction and determination of whether or not you want
Speaker 2: to date this person long term comes from whether or
Speaker 2: not you have personality compatibility and not sex.
Speaker 1: What well, then is the sex bad?
Speaker 2: No? No, because like that's not even a variable, Like
Speaker 2: you don't consider that at first. That comes later, maybe
Speaker 2: after dating and talking for a couple of months, you
Speaker 2: start escalating into that sexual connection. And to a lot
Speaker 2: of these people, they believe that with the right emotional connection,
Speaker 2: that sexual connection is like inevitable. But you know, on
Speaker 2: the other hand, there's people like Megan and Tara that
Speaker 2: are like, oh, I need to know right away if
Speaker 2: we have sexual chemistry, and I need to use all
Speaker 2: my senses to determine that.
Speaker 1: I literally was just saying before you you came on
Speaker 1: the show on this episode that I'm seeing this person.
Speaker 1: We've been on and off for three years and it's
Speaker 1: been a month that I've without seeing him. He lives
Speaker 1: in LA I live in Saint Louis, and I I
Speaker 1: really miss him, Like it's been really difficult for me
Speaker 1: not to And it's not even the sex really as
Speaker 1: much as it I just want to touch him and
Speaker 1: smell him and like be in the same room as him.
Speaker 1: It's been really hard for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that you say smell twice. Are you
Speaker 2: a fan of scent?
Speaker 1: Big fan? Like that's the And back to these dating apps,
Speaker 1: Like I could have so much chemistry with somebody on
Speaker 1: the on FaceTime and you know, like texting whatever. But
Speaker 1: if I really think I'm connected with someone, I will
Speaker 1: know when I smell them, Like when I give them
Speaker 1: a hug and I smell them, I'm like, Okay.
Speaker 2: Megan, You're like sister from another mother for me. Are
Speaker 2: you like that I am? Scent is my number one
Speaker 2: indicator in dating and with now my husband. I remember
Speaker 2: the first time I met him and I'm just like
Speaker 2: smelling him and like, ooh damn, that's sexy, you know what.
Speaker 2: I rarely have felt like that previous to meeting him,
Speaker 2: So right now, like even in the morning, like we're cuddling,
Speaker 2: I love like just sniffing his back his neck like
Speaker 2: I love sent it is. You know, there's actually research
Speaker 2: that shows scent is the most is the number one
Speaker 2: indicator of true attraction because it's unbiased, because because mentally
Speaker 2: and psychologically and cognitively, you can be thinking about this person, right,
Speaker 2: what is their job, how much money they make? What
Speaker 2: do they look like? Are they're like physically hot? Are
Speaker 2: they fit? There's so many biases when you're thinking about
Speaker 2: a person, but scent doesn't lie because a person can
Speaker 2: check every single box you have and you still don't
Speaker 2: like their scent, and that's going to be a predictor
Speaker 2: of you breaking up or getting a divorce in the future.
Speaker 2: Because scent is so strong and so unbiased. It's very
Speaker 2: animalistic in a way that it can't lie.
Speaker 1: Now, is this for everybody or just for people like
Speaker 1: me and you?
Speaker 2: People like animals or animals? Animals, Yeah, we're so good.
Speaker 2: We used to be so much better with smell, but
Speaker 2: still with like perfume and pollution, and you know, like
Speaker 2: we're we're not as good. But I think it's the
Speaker 2: best indicator. And have you ever heard the story of Napoleon? No,
Speaker 2: tell me Napoleon before us have been a big fan
Speaker 2: he was a sort of scent and of indicator of attraction.
Speaker 1: And Napoleon the ruler.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, Napoleon, Yeah, Napoleon. So back then he would
Speaker 2: write a letter to his lover Josephine, and he would
Speaker 2: write a letter. He's a known person for like scent attraction.
Speaker 2: He would write a letter that says, dear Josephine, I'm
Speaker 2: coming to Paris in three days, don't.
Speaker 1: Wash no way. Wow, that's so interesting. It's like the
Speaker 1: have you read that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, vagina juices and you like dab him on, You
Speaker 1: like perfume, and it's supposed to be like the pheromones
Speaker 1: are going to attract your man.
Speaker 2: I think it's attractive. I think when you are truly
Speaker 2: truly attracted to someone, you will like their sense.
Speaker 1: Right, I totally without the perfume. I was getting a
Speaker 1: Brazilian wax this morning and I was talking to my
Speaker 1: waxer about how like, I'm so grossed out by things, right,
Speaker 1: And she's like I'm really not. I'm like, obviously you're
Speaker 1: waxing my vagina. And she's like she's like, you know
Speaker 1: what really drives me nuts is when is sweat? And
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you talking about. She's like,
Speaker 1: I can't handle sweat. She goes, when I smell sweat,
Speaker 1: I smell a penny or I smell I go, oh,
Speaker 1: you're smelling. She goes, it smells like blood. I go,
Speaker 1: I think you're smelling iron, Like if you're smelling like
Speaker 1: metallic smell, like maybe you're smelling. And I go, are
Speaker 1: you smelling body odor? Or are you smelling sweat? And
Speaker 1: she was like, I don't know, but I can even
Speaker 1: smell it on myself. And she didn't even think she
Speaker 1: had a strong sense of smell, but I bet you
Speaker 1: she has a strong sense of like pheromone smell. Isn't
Speaker 1: that fascinating?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, that's why, Like now my ponder and I
Speaker 2: don't wear any perfume and I don't wear lotion that
Speaker 2: has scent in it because we're just we love natural sense.
Speaker 1: Each other's sent Wow. And that's like, and that's not
Speaker 1: just you, that's just you being in tune with you
Speaker 1: with your intuition and doing three years in a row
Speaker 1: of sexual meditations every day.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, that's so interesting.
Speaker 1: What about Okay, so dating apps, I want to talk
Speaker 1: about dating apps because this is another thing, like have
Speaker 1: they ruined sexual chemistry altogether. I go on these freaking
Speaker 1: dating apps like and I find these guys whatever, and
Speaker 1: I'm an FBI investigator, and so I go on their
Speaker 1: instagrams and I'll like look and see who they follow.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you know this trick, but
Speaker 1: if you go on Instagram somebody you follow and you
Speaker 1: look at who they follow after your mutual people, that
Speaker 1: the next people that are highest in the list are
Speaker 1: their most recent follows.
Speaker 2: So you can, yeah, I did not know that when
Speaker 2: you really are an FBI in I know, oh I know.
Speaker 1: And so you can see like who are they following?
Speaker 1: What are they into? Da da? And it's like all
Speaker 1: these guys are following like these hot chicks who are like,
Speaker 1: you know, full of filters or whatever, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: what are you looking for? Like are you looking to
Speaker 1: just fuck? Or are you looking for a relationship? Like
Speaker 1: you are you saying one thing and doing another like
Speaker 1: or are you just going on Instagram for eye candy?
Speaker 1: Like what's happening here? But I feel like that is
Speaker 1: men who are actually on these dating apps. I feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of them.
Speaker 2: Are that way, you know, I think people are on
Speaker 2: dating apps too for certain reasons that are not looking
Speaker 2: for a relationship or even sex, Like you need two
Speaker 2: reasons that studies found outside of wanting to be in
Speaker 2: a relationship or having sex is number one is to
Speaker 2: get validation or increase their self esteem. That is the
Speaker 2: number one reason outside of wanting or having sex. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like a third reason is validation, Like they want to
Speaker 2: get a lot of matches so that it validates them,
Speaker 2: so that they feel like they have a higher self esteem.
Speaker 2: You know, whether or not it's a right way, it's
Speaker 2: not a right way, but it does work in terms
Speaker 2: of getting external validation, right, I mean.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's sad. But then what about sexual chemistry.
Speaker 1: I mean, like if I'm going on you know, when
Speaker 1: I go on a date with this person or whatever,
Speaker 1: it's like, honestly, I feel like for the most part,
Speaker 1: people have been pretty like honest I think, thank god,
Speaker 1: you know I'm attracting that sort of person. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I mean there's horror stories out there. What are people
Speaker 1: doing with trying to fake who they are? And then
Speaker 1: media in real life?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, so a research found you fa, men,
Speaker 2: most men fake about their height, women fake about their weight,
Speaker 2: and then there's a scene we.
Speaker 1: Don't put weight on there, we don't put weight on there.
Speaker 2: They tell or like they show pictures that are like
Speaker 2: thinner than current, Like yeah, not necessarily talking, but yeah.
Speaker 2: And then the third one is there is a rise
Speaker 2: of people lying about their marital status.
Speaker 1: Okay, I could see that, but I also think there's
Speaker 1: a rise in people being more into ethically non monogamous relationships,
Speaker 1: so like maybe they're not lying.
Speaker 2: Oh no, they're lying. There's a lot of people that
Speaker 2: aren't actually lying.
Speaker 1: So they're going to Ashley Madison route.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, no, no, no, Like they're on Tinder
Speaker 2: taking girls on dates and then like tell them two
Speaker 2: three dates in like oh, by the way, I have
Speaker 2: a wife. Oh gross, Oh my god. Yeah, one of
Speaker 2: my best friends just went to a date with a
Speaker 2: child psychologist.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you think that would be an ethical person.
Speaker 2: Who in a second date told her, oh, hey, by
Speaker 2: the way, I don't think you I don't this is
Speaker 2: what he said. I don't think you're gonna think this
Speaker 2: is a big deal. Okay, I am married, and I
Speaker 2: have a wife, and I have a daughter.
Speaker 1: And does he plan to stay married or was he
Speaker 1: did he at least like lie and say he's separated.
Speaker 2: Hayden, I don't know she left?
Speaker 1: Yeah bye, yeah, no, thank you, Like you assume that
Speaker 1: you're fully single if you're on a date, like if not,
Speaker 1: you need to be upfront with that.
Speaker 2: You need to tell them since like when you're texting,
Speaker 2: not like meeting in person.
Speaker 1: Totally Yeah, that's wrong. Okay, I want to talk about
Speaker 1: sexual satisfaction. First of all, how would you define it?
Speaker 2: There's two ways to define sexual satisfaction. One is internal,
Speaker 2: another one is interpersonal. So an internal sexual satisfaction is
Speaker 2: how satisfied you feel with your own sexuality.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: There are women who are very uncomfortable. There are people
Speaker 2: who are very uncomfortable or a shame of their body parts,
Speaker 2: or uncomfortable just being naked. In that case, they would
Speaker 2: rate their internal sexual satisfaction as low, because that's how
Speaker 2: you feel about your own sexual self. But then there's
Speaker 2: interpersonal sexual satisfaction, which is how satisfied you are with
Speaker 2: your sex life with others, particularly with a partner. If
Speaker 2: you have a partner, and that's subjective, right, you can
Speaker 2: rate it from one to ten after you have sex
Speaker 2: with them, or you can feel like in general, that
Speaker 2: this is how I feel about them sexually.
Speaker 1: Are they equally as important?
Speaker 2: I would personally say yes. I mean, there isn't any
Speaker 2: like scientific evidence to say one ways more than the other.
Speaker 2: But if you think about it theoretically, like you gotta
Speaker 2: feel good about yourself, you gotta feel good about having
Speaker 2: partnered sex. So I would say like fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1: Yeah to me. What that says to me is that
Speaker 1: you have to have you have to have self esteem,
Speaker 1: and you have to have chemistry with partner. That's what
Speaker 1: I hear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. You're such a good ta. You're
Speaker 2: like summarizing the right guys. Here are two bullet points
Speaker 2: from what tarazed.
Speaker 1: So which one do we find first? The self esteem
Speaker 1: or the chemistry? I would say self esteem? Okay, find
Speaker 1: her find I mean we can always masturbate, I guess.
Speaker 2: And actually masturbating increases your sexual self esteem because you
Speaker 2: feel capable of giving yourself a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that. That's so interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when women are struggling with their own sexuality,
Speaker 2: I usually prescribe, like, go masturbate first.
Speaker 1: So okay, in your five thousand participant study, when you're
Speaker 1: examining sexual satisfaction. Talk to me about those results.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's super interesting because I was curious what contributes
Speaker 2: to long term sexual satisfaction, right, because we could have
Speaker 2: like short term sexual satisfaction. Some people love, you know,
Speaker 2: a one night stan Like some people would say they
Speaker 2: have like a whole face, right, and they're totally fun.
Speaker 2: They had a fun time, right, But when they really
Speaker 2: reflect and observe, like, was that truly satisfying? Maybe not
Speaker 2: really right, not that fulfilling. So I ask people, based
Speaker 2: on these like different measurements, what would be an important
Speaker 2: factors contributing to one's long term sexual satisfaction? And I
Speaker 2: found these three things. The first one is sexual mindfulness.
Speaker 2: So going back to doing sexual meditation that is the
Speaker 2: best way to gain better sexual mindfulness, okay, yeah, or
Speaker 2: doing other things like yoga. Some people find really doing
Speaker 2: dishes mindful. Whatever. That slows you down and you're like
Speaker 2: focusing on one thing and you.
Speaker 1: Kind of sounds like staying in the present.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, it's hard to do. It's very hard
Speaker 2: to do. When it comes to sex. A lot of
Speaker 2: people report having intrusive thoughts about.
Speaker 1: I'm always thinking like why am I not coming yet?
Speaker 1: Why am I not coming yet, Like I always think that.
Speaker 1: I think it's my porn brain, Like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean that. You know, in porn you always see
Speaker 1: like these women coming, it's you know, it's fake. But
Speaker 1: like that's what I can tell the second I have
Speaker 1: sex with somebody, how much porn they watch, you know.
Speaker 1: And And as much as I know I host this podcast,
Speaker 1: I know it's a lot of I feel like I
Speaker 1: know a lot about sex, yeah, I And I recognize that,
Speaker 1: like orgasms are all different, and arriving there is all different,
Speaker 1: and it's being comfortable with yourself and you're knowing your
Speaker 1: body and YadA yaha. And yet I still find myself
Speaker 1: locked in that thought pattern. Isn't that wild?
Speaker 2: Same? You know? I feel like that too, Yeah, especially
Speaker 2: with orgasms, because I'm like, I want it right and
Speaker 2: so thinking about it. You know, I have a friend
Speaker 2: who says when she gives a blowjob, she counts from
Speaker 2: one to sixty. How come so that she knows like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm giving I'm giving it like a full, full attention
Speaker 2: for one minute. And I'm like, is that good? Like
Speaker 2: are you feeling the pleasure? She's like no, But the
Speaker 2: point isn't the pleasure. The point is to give him pleasures.
Speaker 2: I'm just counting.
Speaker 1: I don't think she likes giving a blowjob.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so, but that's her like method.
Speaker 2: But I would say that's intrusive thoughts too.
Speaker 1: But yeah.
Speaker 2: The first thing is sexual mindfulness, and they need to
Speaker 2: be press and during sex. The second thing is what
Speaker 2: we just talked about, sexual self esteem. The higher the
Speaker 2: sexual self esteem, the more likely you're going to find
Speaker 2: your sex life satisfying. Okay, Shoal self esteem comes from
Speaker 2: understanding your capability as a sexual person, loving your body
Speaker 2: and your naked body, the ability to have sex in
Speaker 2: you know, broad daylight or with lights on right, feeling
Speaker 2: ashamed about body parts.
Speaker 1: A lot of people struggle with that.
Speaker 2: A lot of people struggle with that. I was just
Speaker 2: talking to someone who said, you know, penis anxiety is
Speaker 2: a real thing, and a lot of young men have
Speaker 2: penis anxiety.
Speaker 1: Because they don't think it's big enough, or it's crooked
Speaker 1: to crooked, or.
Speaker 2: It's not getting hard or like we're concerned about the size,
Speaker 2: the smell, the birth, the you know esthetic, the like, yeah,
Speaker 2: kinds of things. They're concerned because they watch mainstream porn
Speaker 2: and like these born stars have beautiful penises like eight
Speaker 2: inch no hair, so yeah, they're I could totally see
Speaker 2: that you have penis anxiety. And I mean, don't even
Speaker 2: get me started with women like for our lives. Really
Speaker 2: all we see or you know, models and just seemingly
Speaker 2: like really perfect bodies on magazines and TV shows. So yeah,
Speaker 2: like we have issues. You know, I've been working through
Speaker 2: my own like body image issues for like ten years.
Speaker 2: I hate my body. Yeah, and how do you get
Speaker 2: beyond that sexual meditation?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: Also, you know, I'm not sure if I can talk
Speaker 2: about it on this show, but I would say my
Speaker 2: psychedelic journey.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, cool? Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean the
Speaker 1: psychedelic journeys are all about like bringing you into the present,
Speaker 1: like finding yourself and who you are, and like relieving
Speaker 1: trauma and opening up those like neuropathways to fully connect
Speaker 1: again instead of being shut down.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, yes, And I was able to fully connect
Speaker 2: with myself and love myself. And after that, I worked
Speaker 2: a lot on integrating what I had learned during those sessions,
Speaker 2: like my ayahuasca journey. And I don't want to say
Speaker 2: I'm like one hundred percent have overcome it. But I
Speaker 2: would say I'm ninety percent there, Like, I feel really
Speaker 2: good about my body. Every single day I look at myself,
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, I'm sexy.
Speaker 1: Good for you, go girl.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean I don't have like days where
Speaker 2: I feel bloated and I feel shitty, right right right,
Speaker 2: And yeah, we're so harsh on ourselves too. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the second factor is for sexual self esteem, which
Speaker 2: comes from like different things. And then the very last thing,
Speaker 2: and actually any sexologist will tell you this is the
Speaker 2: most important thing for sexual satisfaction is sexual communication.
Speaker 1: Ah Okay, there we have it again. Communication yep. Now
Speaker 1: are we talking about talk, verbalizing.
Speaker 2: We're we're talking about different things. So it could be
Speaker 2: macro communication, which is talking about sex, right it micro
Speaker 2: communication so verbal feedback during sex. Okay, Yeah, so there's macro,
Speaker 2: there's micro, there's about sex or during sex. But there's
Speaker 2: also other communication practices that allow you to have a
Speaker 2: more fulfilling sex life, like sexting. Sexting is communication, right right,
Speaker 2: computer mediated communication, and it's research found for people in relationships,
Speaker 2: sexting actually contributes to sexual satisfaction big time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I love sexting.
Speaker 2: Right, of course you do.
Speaker 1: Yes, of course, I said, what do you say, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's a great question. Like I'll send like sexy like
Speaker 1: boob shots, like nipple shots or whatever. I'll I'll like
Speaker 1: text like I'm feeling horny, or like I loved it
Speaker 1: when this happened, or you know, just things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. And also a fun way, a
Speaker 2: unique way for sexting, if listeners want to try, is
Speaker 2: to record your moan and have them use it as
Speaker 2: a morning alarm.
Speaker 1: Stop, that's amazing, Oh my god, Oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: writing that.
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm doing this tonight, I'm sending it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: He can wake up with a little horny Megan every day, Like,
Speaker 2: it's amazing, especially long longestance relationships.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good advice. Okay, So sexual satisfaction is sexual mindfulness,
Speaker 1: sexual self esteem, and sexual communication one two three in
Speaker 1: boom boom boom. Literally sounds like great advice for every
Speaker 1: factor of life, every facet of life, except nobody talks
Speaker 1: about sex. We just think like it's supposed to happen.
Speaker 1: But it takes work.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it definitely takes work. It takes effort, conscious effort,
Speaker 2: it doesn't just happen. I think when you're in your
Speaker 2: early twenties, you think it's just like, you know, you
Speaker 2: just stumble upon sex and you just have sex and
Speaker 2: it's fun and yeah, but there's so much more. I mean,
Speaker 2: even someone who asks someone who studies sex. I'm learning
Speaker 2: new things every day. I have just even recently, like
Speaker 2: just a couple of years ago, learned about contra because
Speaker 2: I'm not educated in the Eastern philosophy. I'm educated in America,
Speaker 2: so I learned Western philosophies and methods and you know,
Speaker 2: the psychology behind different things. But I've never learned, uh,
Speaker 2: these other things that existed that they don't teach in school,
Speaker 2: contric sex, contric massages, sex, logical body work, somatic sexual
Speaker 2: like wellness, somatic sex coaching, things like these they don't
Speaker 2: teach in school. It's like a Eastern slightly like spiritual
Speaker 2: sexual thing.
Speaker 1: If you do, like, if you're going to retreat or
Speaker 1: something to hit me up, I want to go too.
Speaker 2: You want to go with me?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do, Like I mean, I'll bring I'll bring
Speaker 1: my partner or I'll you know, if you go alone.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I would love to do something like that.
Speaker 1: That sounds amazing. Yeah, I'm just like good for get
Speaker 1: to know yourself?
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you ever heard of and it's scandalous because
Speaker 2: there there's like a whole Netflix show about it or
Speaker 2: gasmic meditation.
Speaker 1: No the ome like, om no, I'm gonna it's okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch that. I love documentaries. Okay, Okay, orgasmic meditation.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna watch that. Tell me about what is
Speaker 1: that or not meditation? Orgasmic?
Speaker 2: It's orgasmic meditation, Okay, I don't see it as meditation
Speaker 2: per se. And when you watch the show you'll learn more.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: But basically they got started, like they became famous because
Speaker 2: they guarantee these like you know, sexual pleasure for women.
Speaker 2: What it is is basically this is I'm not doing
Speaker 2: it justice because there's it's a lot more nuance. But
Speaker 2: basically what happens is you go in either with your
Speaker 2: partner or no partner, as a woman or someone would
Speaker 2: involve us, and then you like become a part of
Speaker 2: this practice where you like start you know, massaging yourself.
Speaker 2: Your partner or the partner at ome that they assigned
Speaker 2: to you start massaging you and then open your legs
Speaker 2: and it's like a fifteen minute fingering session.
Speaker 1: Okay. Is that the one where it's like the slow
Speaker 1: like tap tap Okay? Yes, I've heard about this orgasmic massage,
Speaker 1: but only with like a partner, not with just you know,
Speaker 1: a random partner.
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, when when you go to well, I
Speaker 2: don't know if they host it anymore, but in the past,
Speaker 2: when you go to their retreats or events, if you
Speaker 2: don't come with a ponnor it's okay, you can get
Speaker 2: a ponner there to do it for you, because the
Speaker 2: whole point is to release and surrender and enjoy because
Speaker 2: you do nothing in return, Like as a woman, you
Speaker 2: don't do anything in return. You just take, you receive
Speaker 2: for fifteen minutes. And for some people like that act alone,
Speaker 2: they're like crying because as a result, they're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I have never given myself time like that,
Speaker 2: Like I'm always giving taking care of people, taking care
Speaker 2: of my husband, my kids, and I was never just
Speaker 2: receiving fifteen minutes and it's all about me. So it's powerful. However,
Speaker 2: I can see when you watch a document, apparently there
Speaker 2: were some like internal abuse that.
Speaker 1: I mean, duh, Like I feel like hello, It's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the most vulnerable place on your entire body.
Speaker 1: Like that just sounds like a recipe for a disaster
Speaker 1: if you're not with you know, someone you know and trust.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so document the documentary is kind of dubbing
Speaker 2: them as like a like pleasure cult, like a cult
Speaker 2: where there's a lot of sexual abuse, which you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sounds like yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna watch it
Speaker 1: and get back to you. Yeah, this has been so interesting. Okay,
Speaker 1: doctor Tara, we can find you on TikTok. We can
Speaker 1: find your podcast. What's your podcast called love Bites by
Speaker 1: Doctor Tara and it's how do you spell it?
Speaker 2: L u V B I t E s okay, perfect.
Speaker 1: I have loved talking to you. You sound like it.
Speaker 1: It feels like talking to a friend. This has been
Speaker 1: so easy and comfortable and so informative. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And let me know about like any retreats or anything.
Speaker 1: I'm serious. I'm gonna follow you on TikTok and Instagram
Speaker 1: and whatever I can, and so let me know.
Speaker 2: Let's go together. I'll send you a damp.
Speaker 1: Totally okay, perfect? All right, thank you so much, Doctor Tara,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. You have a good one. Bye, bye bye.
Speaker 1: That was so much fun. Honestly, she does seriously feel
Speaker 1: like a friend. Sometimes you just get a guest that
Speaker 1: comes on they just feel like a friend, and she
Speaker 1: is one of them. Yeah. So interesting about the dating
Speaker 1: apps and how like a lot of men and women
Speaker 1: are on dating apps looking for validation and self esteem.
Speaker 1: Makes complete sense to me. I feel like people just
Speaker 1: sit on these apps and they don't even like talk
Speaker 1: on these apps. Sometimes even when you connect, it's like
Speaker 1: they just wanted to connect, or maybe they are talking
Speaker 1: and sounds like an interview. It's just so weird. All right, guys, Well,
Speaker 1: thanks for listening to this episode of Intimate Knowledge. Doctor
Speaker 1: Tara was so much fun to talk to. We got
Speaker 1: through our topics of the day, our interesting points. I
Speaker 1: am headed to the wedding. I'm going to Charleston in
Speaker 1: a couple of days. I haven't been there. Gosh, it's long.
Speaker 1: It's long to get there. I don't think there's any directly.
Speaker 1: There's no direct flights from Saint Louis. Oh wait, there is.
Speaker 1: I got a return flight. Direct flight. It's expensive. It's
Speaker 1: supposed to rain. The whole day of your wedding, poor thing,
Speaker 1: but can't wait to see my man, It's gonna be
Speaker 1: so much fun, So till next week. It because if
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